2019 Cliffhanger Hill Climb (road)

[scracha]

23 & 24th March Cliffhanger Road Hill Climb

All motorcycles and sidecars welcome. Free spectating and camping.
Competitors: Saturday $100, Sunday $125 or $175 both days (entries after 1st Feb are priced higher)

More details here:-
https://cliffhanger.org.nz/wp/2018/11/30/2019-cliffhanger-hillclimb-dates-23rd-and-24th-march/

[sidecar bob]

you will need to do better than this to break the record.
Good luck with that:lol:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KubGVzd64rg

[Temporary-Kiwi]

wow that looks like fun !, I've never seen this advertised before
so what's the guff, do you have to be a licensed racer to compete ?, any stipulations about safety gear etc ?
I'm really looking forward to this event , sure would be nice to give it a go versus just watching others have all the fun !

[jellywrestler]

wow that looks like fun !, I've never seen this advertised before
so what's the guff, do you have to be a licensed racer to compete ?, any stipulations about safety gear etc ?
I'm really looking forward to this event , sure would be nice to give it a go versus just watching others have all the fun !

did you try clicking on the link on the post?

[Temporary-Kiwi]

cheers, I have now, but it means I'd have to get hold of some leathers to enter, still interests me, il have keep my eye out for some second hand ones, I'm 5 ft 61/2" and a little tubby if anyone's got some for sale ?

[MD]

cheers, I have now, but it means I'd have to get hold of some leathers to enter, still interests me, il have keep my eye out for some second hand ones, I'm 5 ft 61/2" and a little tubby if anyone's got some for sale ?

Just a cautionary warning this is not an event for the faint hearted or inexperienced rider. The road is dangerous and sadly has ended in death. Two or three racers have died.
Don't get me wrong It's a lot of fun and a great way to challenge yourself trying to improve each run. If you haven't done track days before then maybe this is not the best road to try race pace on.

[release_the_bees]

My parents live on that road, so I've been up and down there hundreds of times. It's definitely not a road where I'd want to come off. In some locations, it'd be a very long tumble down the hill if the fence didn't stop you first.

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[Temporary-Kiwi]

Hi, thanks for the heads up, it will be a challenge, and I may be older but I'm still abit bold on a bike, I'm not as Looney as I was when younger, but still ride faster than most.
not sure if my own personal record will be broken , plimmerton wellington -- opotiki 3 3/4hrs on a early cbr600
it took four tanks of gas to get there -625km.
these days I. mostly ride backroads to keep away from mobile tax collectors , I have my bikes suspension setup for rough roads, still get some hairy moments on the odd bit of loose gravel on tarseal corners, plus you never know what's around the corner , could be cows , tractors etc.

[Drew]

My parents live on that road, so I've been up and down there hundreds of times. It's definitely not a road where I'd want to come off. In some locations, it'd be a very long tumble down the hill if the fence didn't stop you first.

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Only one corner on the whole road with any danger of going down a bank, and they have safety fences to catch ya. It's the slowest corner on the course, so not a major threat.

You either don't know the road as well as you think, or you take some very special lines.

[jellywrestler]

not sure if my own personal record will be broken , plimmerton wellington -- opotiki 3 3/4hrs on a early cbr600
it took four tanks of gas to get there -625km.
.

that's 166.66 km'h average without allowing for fuel or piss stops, it's been broken many a time but few will admit to ever actually stopping in Opotiki, you know they had a beauty contest there once, nobody won....
who tuned your Hondas, they must be as cool as you?
BTW is this you? https://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?objectid=12195614&ref=twitter

[Temporary-Kiwi]

that time didn't include the fuel stops, it took 4 hrs and 10mins including the fuel stops, took a concentrated effort to get it under 4hrs, basicly didn't slow down except thru town , which I still went as fast as I thought safe !
ìt was 1988 when I did this , 20yr old, no concept of the horrible injuries I could have sustained had I not been killed outright, plus the traffic was a lot lighter then, it was during that period I started getting called tempry kiwi.

[release_the_bees]

Only one corner on the whole road with any danger of going down a bank, and they have safety fences to catch ya. It's the slowest corner on the course, so not a major threat.

You either don't know the road as well as you think, or you take some very special lines.Probably more to do with me being a fairly risk averse road rider that has no experience or place commenting on a racing thread.

Please ignore my previous post. Whilst trying to be helpful, with hindsight, I can see that's not the case.

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[jellywrestler]

that time didn't include the fuel stops, it took 4 hrs and 10mins including the fuel stops, took a concentrated effort to get it under 4hrs, basicly didn't slow down except thru town , which I still went as fast as I thought safe !
ìt was 1988 when I did this , 20yr old, no concept of the horrible injuries I could have sustained had I not been killed outright, plus the traffic was a lot lighter then, it was during that period I started getting called tempry kiwi.

you are my new all time hero, i bet you nads are the size of portaloos riding as mean and as cool as that.

[Drew]

that time didn't include the fuel stops, it took 4 hrs and 10mins including the fuel stops, took a concentrated effort to get it under 4hrs, basicly didn't slow down except thru town , which I still went as fast as I thought safe !
ìt was 1988 when I did this , 20yr old, no concept of the horrible injuries I could have sustained had I not been killed outright, plus the traffic was a lot lighter then, it was during that period I started getting called tempry kiwi.
1988 would make it a shit box CBR600, being held at 200kph for extended periods.

I strongly doubt they were capable of doing that without doing a Chernobyl impression. So I'm calling bullshit.

[Temporary-Kiwi]

yes the little mtr rarely saw sub 8k rpm while I had it, I managed to hit the rev limiter in top gear (245k) downhill run over desert rd , it's usual top speed indicated was 235kph.
don't really give a shit if someone doesn't believe me, I know what I did , but I don't ride like that now, the anti joy patrol are too serious about there little rules, and I don't heal as good as I did then

[jellywrestler]

yes the little mtr rarely saw sub 8k rpm while I had it, I managed to hit the rev limiter in top gear (245k) downhill run over desert rd , it's usual top speed indicated was 235kph.
don't really give a shit if someone doesn't believe me, I know what I did , but I don't ride like that now, the anti joy patrol are too serious about there little rules, and I don't heal as good as I did then

do you really think anybody believes that anyone could ride a bike for nearly four hours on public roads at an AVERAGE speed of over the ton, what a crock.
Do you know the police have radios, and they are faster than your CBR, much faster.....

[Runty]

do you really think anybody believes that anyone could ride a bike for nearly four hours on public roads at an AVERAGE speed of over the ton, what a crock.
Do you know the police have radios, and they are faster than your CBR, much faster.....Easily do-able in 1988 (and the CBR6 is happy to run at high revs for hours)
Harder to achieve these days with the slower average traffic speeds and a population indoctrinated by the speed kills fallacy.
Rather than keeping left wherever possible and letting traffic flow we now see vehicles happy to impede progress because they believe no-one should be alliiwad to pass - as they are at the "correct speed" This speed is of couse 100kph - minus each individuals personal margin of "just in case they accidently drift a bit quicker during one of the few moments they actually look at the road"
Then add this to the the usual built in margin of 8% in speedometers and we have actual speeds around 85k.
We now have the ridiclous scenario of slow motion overtaking attempts where drivers appear to believe a head on accident at a lowish speed is a betrer choice than a safe smooth passing nanouvre at a quicker pace.
Luckily we also have super safty concious drivers looking after us - they're ready to dial. #555 at any opportunity. They know theres a risk involved with mobile phone - also but obviously this isnt really aimed at safe drivers like them- and even if they occasional meander over a pedestrian or 2 while doing this public service - surely that is still better than letting some dangerous driver theyve spotted just carry on home safely
Next we'll probably reduce their ACC levies as a reward for their safe accidents - The cost can be offest by raising the levies for dangerous drivers who didnt have accidents
Oops im ranting on again!!!


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[jellywrestler]

Easily do-able in 1988 (and the CBR6 is happy to run at high revs for hours)
you must have two cocks, no one could be that silly interfering with just one, seriuosly , average speed for nearly four hours over the ton 166km/h average, the isle of man TT was about 189km'h in those days, with specialist racing bikes , two lane roads, no slowing through the towns like this legend did, no cars to pass or wait behind on slow corners, all this after a weeks practice of the same course.

This should be in jokes and humour....

[Temporary-Kiwi]

never said the cops never chased me, but on occasion I did have great fun making the fuzz get in a hissy fit trying to catch me, and just for your information( "j/w) you don't outrun the cops by continuing on down the road faster, as soon as possible you get yourself and your bike hid some place and watch them going back and forth looking, then after hours of waiting or dark you cruise off carefully untill well out of the area

[Temporary-Kiwi]

Easily do-able in 1988 (and the CBR6 is happy to run at high revs for hours)
Harder to achieve these days with the slower average traffic speeds and a population indoctrinated by the speed kills fallacy.
Rather than keeping left wherever possible and letting traffic flow we now see vehicles happy to impede progress because they believe no-one should be alliiwad to pass - as they are at the "correct speed" This speed is of couse 100kph - minus each individuals personal margin of "just in case they accidently drift a bit quicker during one of the few moments they actually look at the road"
Then add this to the the usual built in margin of 8% in speedometers and we have actual speeds around 85k.
We now have the ridiclous scenario of slow motion overtaking attempts where drivers appear to believe a head on accident at a lowish speed is a betrer choice than a safe smooth passing nanouvre at a quicker pace.
Luckily we also have super safty concious drivers looking after us - they're ready to dial. #555 at any opportunity. They know theres a risk involved with mobile phone - also but obviously this isnt really aimed at safe drivers like them- and even if they occasional meander over a pedestrian or 2 while doing this public service - surely that is still better than letting some dangerous driver theyve spotted just carry on home safely
Next we'll probably reduce their ACC levies as a reward for their safe accidents - The cost can be offest by raising the levies for dangerous drivers who didnt have accidents
Oops im ranting on again!!!


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yeah those people are a joke, making sure they don't go over the limit, but desperate to get ahead, take the whole passing lane to pass a single car !
yes again , there was a scarcity of traffic back then, think there must be a couple of million extra tank tops holding everyone up now.
and there wasn't even mobile phones for anyone to nark you under for your heinous crimes, plus there seemed to be stuff all coppers patrolling the roads.
ah ! those were the days .....

[Hugo Nougo]

Dear Mr T.Kiwi, if you youre serious about the hillclimb ive got some leathers and back protector you can borrow, i do the practice day only (and generally only half of that), which i would highly recommend even to newbies, you are the 1 in control and your sphincter will let you know if youre getting out of your comfort zone. 4 or 5 runs will teach you what you dont know about line selection and maybe give you a glimpse of what a real road race is like, something you can never experience on public roads (believe me i have tried, my 80's bike had a switch to flip the number plate down and another to turn out the brake and tail light).

[Temporary-Kiwi]

Hi, that's a very generous offer, I would appreciate that , I'm very keen to give it a go, I've never entered an event like it, I've done some drag racing, but not circuit racing.
I'm fairly sure my roadbike will be fully sorted b4 the event, I did miss my timeframe with the dyno tuner , but he is due back in a couple of weeks, but the mtr I'm modding doesnt have any "race parts " available .
so I'm adapting gsxr1000 parts, this makes development abit of a gamble, but I am getting there , I've been checking trade me for leathers every couple of days, it seems I'll need somewhere around a size 54-56 suit to get around my slightly rotund body, although I'm only 5ft 7 high.

[Temporary-Kiwi]

Hi all you wellington guys, not sure if any of you know "baz" of tawa area ?, he did some tuning on a couple of my bikes,
when I was down there, he used to call me Brutus, he always thought I should go racing too

[Temporary-Kiwi]

so I've just bought some leathers, hope they fit, getting the bike tuned next week , now that it's back together.
just need to find me a new job as my shoulders coming right after severe wrenching/bruising I did to it, highsiding off my trailbike at 80kph onto tarseal a few weeks back.
need a few $ to be able to go and enter, I've got a set of new metzler 7rr's to put on, looking forward to abit of backroad blasting in preparation, and to get the body used to it again....

[jellywrestler]

, he used to call me Brutus, how ironic, you sound very much like a politician to me with your writings.....

[Temporary-Kiwi]

not sure what your problem is jw,
yes ive had bad run the last year or so, I got diagnosed with seronegative rhuematoid arthritis, i've had a full wrist joint replacement on my right hand, lost my job due to how long it took to rehab the wrist, then got my gsx mtr rebuilt and the auto tune failed and mtr leaned out stuffing the rings.
so i got my trailbike going again , only to get tossed off high sided on some overheated tarseal, which injured my shoulder
don't really need any more troubles to deal with for awhile, think I've had my fill of shit lately.

[Temporary-Kiwi]

so I've filled in my application, went for the two days, might as well make the most of it, I'm hoping the 2nd set of leathers fit me better than the first, they were size 52 spool, but way too tight for me, looking at a size 56 spyke 2moro.
Brent back this week, hope he can tune my gsx-s1000fa and my brothers sv1000 I just made a set of headers for.
been looking at you tube vids of the hillclimb, seems like Jay Lawrence has a fairly safe record, albeit on slicks.
my bike doesnt have the top speed of the repli-racers, but does handle well, and I've got some new metzler m7rr's for the event, so I should have some fun trying to freak myself out !

[Temporary-Kiwi]

so had some good news on my shoulder, it's a cracked scapula, no significant damage to the rotator cuff or ligaments, it'll be good as new in 3-4 weeks.
I've ordered a set of Leathers, bikes getting dyno tuned next week after my brothers sv1000s.
so I'm looking forward to actually going to the hillclimb and participating, just need to keep my ears open for a new job, and life will be back to normal !!!

[gsxr]

An I wrong in thinking you should do a few track days or club days first .
Or are you trying to really be a temporary Kiwi

[jellywrestler]

An I wrong in thinking you should do a few track days or club days first .
Or are you trying to really be a temporary Kiwi

it's not an mnz event so no requirement.....

[Drew]

An I wrong in thinking you should do a few track days or club days first .
Or are you trying to really be a temporary Kiwi

Nah, road riders are fine.

[sidecar bob]

Probably worth checking this out so you can make an informed decision when entering this event.
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/180928-Cliffhanger-investigation?
Be sure to click on the link in the first post.

[Temporary-Kiwi]

yes I know that crashing, injury, or even death is a possibility, at least it won't be from some Muppet in a cage pulling out in front of me, or some nice road worker leaving pea gravel around a corner and decided didn't need signage or....
I see that familiarizing runs up the road prior to the timed runs is available, I'd probably be inclined to ride up/down the road several times to work out where the bumps /potholes , slick tarseal bits are located prior to pushing it at pace.

[Temporary-Kiwi]

bike is finally at the tuners, once it's done there ill get the metzler 7rr's fitted, still got a few things to sort, as im riding the bike to the event, which means its got to have the pack rack fitted to carry all my gears, its partially permanently mounted at present, so I'll refab it to be fully removable, plus my spotlights need some wire connectors fitting to allow removal.
I'm also re-jigging the mra screen to allow higher a topspeed, and ill fit some second hand ( ex crash) side panels, and some crash bungs to aid minimizing any damage from a slow speed off (just in case) plus the hand grips need replacing, and any thing else that needs attension.

[Temporary-Kiwi]

well my bad luck is still dogging me, I managed to bend an inlet valve trying to install the adjustable sprocket onto the std cams, so the replacement item won't be here for another two weeks, I thought well that's it for this year's event, but my kind brother has said I can run his bike in the hillclimb. I'd already had the metzlers put on the gsx rims, I've got a spare pilot road tyre to put on the back, as his is getting fairly worn.
it wouldn't be my first pick to ride, but I'm grateful to at least still attend and get some fun in, plus I don't want to cause any damage to his bike, so I'll have to be abit more cautious than on my bike.
at least I'll get to learn the road in preparation for next year.

[Temporary-Kiwi]

I've made it to wellington , get set of tyres fitted 2moro, head out to the hillclimb yo set me tent up, start removing the touring stuff off the bike to reduce weight, ive set the suspension up close,on the sv , but it will need a couple of tweaks to allow it to be pushed abit more at higher speed, weather looks good for the event.. so I might see some of you out there

[Laava]

Good on you for having a go and good luck!

[reasonable]

Hi guys never been to this event .
What's it like getting a good spectator position ?
Can I just turn up & walk to a good site or should I arrive early ?
cheers

[nodrog]

This is shaping up to be the year I should go.

[jellywrestler]

This is shaping up to be the year I should go.

i'll bring my spare hammock if you like?, don't forget on the drive down google maps have added two minutes to the drive time to allow for the nations call to prayer today.

[jellywrestler]

Hi guys never been to this event .
What's it like getting a good spectator position ?
Can I just turn up & walk to a good site or should I arrive early ?
cheers

my understanding is there's a shuttle most of the day available

[Drew]

There is sometimes a shuttle. But you can drive up to the three easiest spots and park. The road gets opened between runs.

[reasonable]

okay thanks Drew I'll check it out

[jellywrestler]

I've made it to wellington , get set of tyres fitted 2moro, head out to the hillclimb yo set me tent up, start removing the touring stuff off the bike to reduce weight, ive set the suspension up close,on the sv , but it will need a couple of tweaks to allow it to be pushed abit more at higher speed, weather looks good for the event.. so I might see some of you out there

it's on, how's your runs going?

[Laava]

Does it get tv time at all?

[Temporary-Kiwi]

Hi, there was a delayed start today as the crew that control the road closure didn't arrive till 10.30, so it was 11am b4 the first timed runs,, took it easy on first run 2.46, 2nd run-2.36, and last run 2.33, starting to get to know where corners are, I have found it abit unnerving to enter blind r/hand corner on wrong side of road.
and as I'm riding my brothers bike with instructions not to crash it, I am being cautious, but fairly sure I will get into the 2.20s tomorrow, the sv is just reaching 235kph at the first corner entry, so it's abit limited power wise, but lack of familiarity with the road is the main hold up I would say.

[sidecar bob]

Sounds like Jay Lawrence won it on a borrowed '80's street bike on road tyres without warmers.

[onearmedbandit]

Sounds like Jay Lawrence won it on a borrowed '80's street bike on road tyres without warmers.

Yeah and smoked late model thous. Top effort.

[sidecar bob]

Yeah and smoked late model thous. Top effort.

He's got some huge history making news shortly. I will link it to KB once it's public.

[jellywrestler]

He's got some huge history making news shortly. I will link it to KB once it's public.

first transgender road racer in nz?

[sidecar bob]

first transgender road racer in nz?

No, I believe that one has already been taken.

[Temporary-Kiwi]

yeah the Lawrence fella gives it shit, he knows the course well
I progressed from a 2.46- 2.28 over 10 runs for the weekend, must say I really enjoyed it, I'll be keen next year on my own bike, it was a limiting factor for me, not wanting to risk an oopsie on the brothers bike, I'm sure it could do a sub 2.20 if ridden with a more carefree attitude.
it was good practice for next year

[jellywrestler]

No, I believe that one has already been taken.

mr scrivener?

[Drew]

No, I believe that one has already been taken.

The person you are possibly referring to, is and hads always been a girl.

[nodrog]

The person you are possibly referring to, is and hads always been a girl.

There is more than one.

[sidecar bob]

The person you are possibly referring to, is and hads always been a girl.

Yeah nah, i knew her when she was Sean.

[jellywrestler]

Yeah nah, i knew her when she was Sean.

did he serve your legal purposes well?

[jellywrestler]

There is more than one.

you been sneaking in the other set of showers again mate?

[nodrog]

you been sneaking in the other set of showers again mate?

Are you assuming my gender?

[jellywrestler]

Are you assuming my gender?
i know it's changed from short bike to long bike....

[Temporary-Kiwi]

here's the results sheet, hopefully right way up

[Laava]

Fuck mate you did really well! Awesome!

[reasonable]

Here are some photos of the day

[reasonable]

More photos

[Temporary-Kiwi]

I was looking at some videos of the hillclimb, really looking forward to having a proper go at it next year with my bike, will be a lot more fun with 50% more power!
I've found out why my wrist was giving me hell, it was suffering two broken screws that attach the implant to my hand, they screw into the hand bones over a couple of inches, they were broken about 1/3rd to half way along.
which also meant the bones were broken according to my surgeon , he's had it immobilized in a cast, sure am hoping it will be remedied by next year