Why some riders keep indicating right light while filtering?

[xa33]

I saw some riders keep the signal light twinkling and some riders not, is there any reasons of this?

[nerrrd]

I think they’re attempting to follow the road rules for passing another vehicle in the same lane, which is the closest the road rules get to allowing motorcycles to lane split - in practice it’s almost always impossible to stay in the same lane as the slower traffic when passing on a multi-lane road.

Have a look at this https://www.rideforever.co.nz/assets/Uploads/PDFs/ACC7009-RIDEFOREVER-Infosheet-FA.pdf

[Navy Boy]

There's no legal reason to do so. Some feel that it makes them more visible but that still relies on car drivers realising that you are there. Personally I don't bother but the choice is yours. :scratch:

[xa33]

There's no legal reason to do so. Some feel that it makes them more visible but that still relies on car drivers realising that you are there. Personally I don't bother but the choice is yours. :scratch:

Alright. I almost felt dirty once I've seen those riders keep signaling. Now it's fine :p

[nerrrd]

There's no legal reason to do so.

...provided you stay in the same lane as the slower traffic and pass on their right.

When you inevitably end up drifting into the next lane over to have enough space to pass then you technically are changing lanes without indicating which is illegal. On top of that you’re now passing slower traffic in the same lane on their left, which is also illegal (unless they’re indicating a right turn).

But yeah, in practice nobody cares about any of that really, so as long as you don’t crash or annoy the police enough for them to pull you over you’ll be fine.

[george formby]

Might be foreigners. I note overseas that drivers / riders leave their winkers on throughout an overtake.

As a learner yoof I was told to always indicate my intention to move, a couple of little winks could be the difference between getting home and not.

[xa33]

Might be foreigners. I note overseas that drivers / riders leave their winkers on throughout an overtake.

As a learner yoof I was told to always indicate my intention to move, a couple of little winks could be the difference between getting home and not.

Yeyeye, that's a good idea. I will remember that, thanks

[Swoop]

I saw some riders keep the signal light twinkling and some riders not, is there any reasons of this?
Yes, since the bike is overtaking it is signalling that action.

Running with hazard lights operating is not kosher.
8.6 Use of direction indicators as hazard warning
The direction-indicator lamps on a motor vehicle may be flashed simultaneously as a hazard warning, but may be used only when the vehicle is—
(a) stationary
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2004/0427/67.0/DLM303650.html

Overtaking without indicating is also not kosher.
Both of these I have noticed quite often recently with bikers.


... always indicate my intention to move, a couple of little winks could be the difference between getting home and not.
Three seconds of indication PRIOR to moving if the way is clear, is the law. There seem to be a shitload of "flash-&-go" lane-changing twats out there nowadays.:bash:


(2) the driver must signal for at least 3 seconds either—
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2004/0427/67.0/DLM303071.html

[george formby]

(2) the driver must signal for at least 3 seconds either—
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2004/0427/67.0/DLM303071.html

Indeed.

How it was explained to me, outside of legislation, is that indicating, even if it's short or may seem unnecessary may cover your arse if you have not seen your whole road position. Which we rarely can.

Filtering - mirrors, indicate, life saver, maneuver is about the best we can do. 3 seconds is a long time in traffic but a little winker may catch the eye of someone behind looking at the same space.

Keeping them on to long.... Meh, aids being seen but will quickly be ignored.

[Ixion]

Well, my understanding, based on a discussion with an old school snake many years ago, is that the use of the right indicator is a sort of virtue signal to any watching snakes .

It is legal to overtake vehicle a on its right. It is illegal to undertake vehicle b in the adjacent lane on its left.

The use of the right indicator is a coded message to Officer Bumblebee : " I know the rules and if you try to give me a ticket I will swear on a Bible that i am overtaking on the right between vehicle a and the divider line .and you, at the side of the road , cannot swear where my front wheel was. So don't even think about it. "..

It seems to work. Probably the riders using the right indicator are those old enough to know what snake means.

[Swoop]

Indeed.

How it was explained to me, outside of legislation, is that indicating, even if it's short or may seem unnecessary may cover your arse ...

I always explain to noobs that you are indicating to the vehicle that you haven't seen...
Nobody around... still indicate!



Good explanation Ix! Good to see you still lurking.

[xa33]

Yes, since the bike is overtaking it is signalling that action.

Running with hazard lights operating is not kosher.
8.6 Use of direction indicators as hazard warning
The direction-indicator lamps on a motor vehicle may be flashed simultaneously as a hazard warning, but may be used only when the vehicle is—
(a) stationary
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2004/0427/67.0/DLM303650.html

Overtaking without indicating is also not kosher.
Both of these I have noticed quite often recently with bikers.


Three seconds of indication PRIOR to moving if the way is clear, is the law. There seem to be a shitload of "flash-&-go" lane-changing twats out there nowadays.:bash:


(2) the driver must signal for at least 3 seconds either—
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2004/0427/67.0/DLM303071.html



'Enough of "flash n go" lane changing twats on the road', agreed, tell you what, I have an idea - to make a compilation video on youtube. :p

[Voltaire]

I saw some riders keep the signal light twinkling and some riders not, is there any reasons of this?

They are under the illusion that by doing this a) they won't get pulled over by a cop and b) motorists are paying attention.

Once you realise its about neither of these things and about your survival on the road and a couple of hundred dollar fine is unlikely your all good.

The roads are full of drug/alcohol/phone addicts do your best to avoid them.

[Scuba_Steve]

Personally I don't indicate when splitting but instead do it when I'm coming back to join the line of traffic.
Makes more sense to cage drivers, lets them know what's going on should they be paying attention

[Navy Boy]

Personally I don't indicate when splitting but instead do it when I'm coming back to join the line of traffic.
Makes more sense to cage drivers, lets them know what's going on should they be paying attention

Yep - That's my thinking too. I get that one should indicate when overtaking a vehicle but filtering is a different story. To my mind it has the very real effect of potentially confusing the issue. Likewise with hazard lights being operated - Is the bike experiencing an emergency or are they simply flashing their lights at other road users?

There's also the bigger point here that if you are having to worry about being seen in such a fashion when filtering then perhaps you're doing it at too great a speed.

With filtering I was always taught the 30/30 rule (20/20rule in the UK because of the Mph vs Km/hr). That is if the traffic is doing 30km/hr or more then you don't filter and when you are filtering that the difference in speed between you and the other vehicles should never be more than 30Km/hr. It's not set in stone but it works well for me as a guide.

Of course on the motorway both here in Wellington as well as around Auckland it is difficult to stick to that religiously as the traffic speed tends to yo-yo quite a lot. Again it's a case of it being down to your own judgement at the time. :cool:

[Blackbird]

With filtering I was always taught the 30/30 rule (20/20rule in the UK because of the Mph vs Km/hr). That is if the traffic is doing 30km/hr or more then you don't filter and when you are filtering that the difference in speed between you and the other vehicles should never be more than 30Km/hr. It's not set in stone but it works well for me as a guide.

Of course on the motorway both here in Wellington as well as around Auckland it is difficult to stick to that religiously as the traffic speed tends to yo-yo quite a lot. Again it's a case of it being down to your own judgement at the time. :cool:

Hi Lee,
Living in the wop-wops, I don't often have the need to filter but find that if I have to filter on the Southern Motorway out of Auckland, I don't filter if the traffic is constantly moving around or above 30 km/hr and my filter speed rarely has a differential of more than 20 km/hr. That's partially due to the fact that I'm not exposed to that sort of traffic on a regular basis and keeping my speed down gives more time to react in what are often pretty narrow filter channels.

[Yokomama]

There’s a video around somewhere done by the cops that basically says “don’t lane split if traffics doing more than 40”, so 30 is pretty safe.

[Hoonicorn]

They must not have self-cancelling indicators ;)

[cheshirecat]

There’s a video around somewhere done by the cops that basically says “don’t lane split if traffics doing more than 40”, so 30 is pretty safe.
Unless Ginger Gorge sees you on his Buy Em WU. Haven't seen him for a while though.