Politics 2019

[AllanB]

Politics 2019

Well it starts again with the latest polls.

Nats are down, Bridges sinking, Ardern soaring in the polls (reminds me of Key) and you know what - as per all the other decades of different governments in my life, noting much changes for me.

I still don't get any special government gifts, the fuckers still take too much tax, and I see F-all difference in my life regardless of who is in power.

And my Lotto tickets continue to fail.

And I get older. Maybe I should look at NZ First bawahahahahah.

In the current climate if I were on the deciding board for National I'd leave the waffler in charge so he loses the next one, then change leader and hammer the shit out of the tooth-fairy in her second term.

But what would I know. And really as nothing of any significance changes for me, what do I care?

[TheDemonLord]

Politics 2019

Well it starts again with the latest polls.

Nats are down, Bridges sinking, Ardern soaring in the polls (reminds me of Key) and you know what - as per all the other decades of different governments in my life, noting much changes for me.

I still don't get any special government gifts, the fuckers still take too much tax, and I see F-all difference in my life regardless of who is in power.

And my Lotto tickets continue to fail.

And I get older. Maybe I should look at NZ First bawahahahahah.

In the current climate if I were on the deciding board for National I'd leave the waffler in charge so he loses the next one, then change leader and hammer the shit out of the tooth-fairy in her second term.

But what would I know. And really as nothing of any significance changes for me, what do I care?

Gives a change from jerking off?
Gives you a good reason to turn off the Telly/Internet and go for a ride?
Gives good people a great reason to hurl bad insults at each other?
Gives you a sense of faux-superiority that you can lord over your opponents?
Gives one a thought, questioning why we stopped using fights-to-the-death to select our Leaders
Gives us pause to remember that as much as I don't like Comrade Tooth-Fairy and her Cadre of Coalition Clowns, a bad day in NZ Politics is still infinitely better than the best day for most of the worlds political events?

That's about all I got.

[Laava]

Politics 2019 I still don't get any special government gifts, the fuckers still take too much tax, and I see F-all difference in my life regardless of who is in power
people have short memories, this has been the status quo as far back as I can remember.
left this, right that, all very fucking close to centre if you ask me. Gotta be at least 90% of these pollies just there for themselves, party unimportant, just ask Jamie Lee Curtiss oh I mean Ross.

[oldrider]

The nature of politics today? - https://twitter.com/HenryMakow/status/1097557649305026560/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Eembeddedtimeline% 7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3AHenryMakow&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.henrymakow.com%2F - :rolleyes: - Heads I win - Tails you lose! = Orchestrated outcomes? :msn-wink:

[husaberg]

Politics 2019

Well it starts again with the latest polls.

Nats are down, Bridges sinking, Ardern soaring in the polls (reminds me of Key) and you know what - as per all the other decades of different governments in my life, noting much changes for me.

I still don't get any special government gifts, the fuckers still take too much tax, and I see F-all difference in my life regardless of who is in power.

In the current climate if I were on the deciding board for National I'd leave the waffler in charge so he loses the next one, then change leader and hammer the shit out of the tooth-fairy in her second term.

But what would I know. And really as nothing of any significance changes for me, what do I care?

I feel a bit sorry for National, hard to believe but i really do, But what really do they do now, No one likes Crusher or trusts her out of the the others. Bennet unlikely, trust Brownlee cant see it,
The knifes must be out. Hes not even been there a year yet.
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Bridges was getting some shit advice pre the whole saga or ignoring good advice, it all would have disappeared under the carpet if he had just STF about the leaks, no one really gave a shit.
How often have we had a single term government in modern times anyway?

[sidecar bob]

Which further proves the theory that people are fucking stupid & ignore policies & all think it's a miss congeniality contest.
Fact is that the tooth fairy is peddling the same policies as Little, who couldn't get Labour over 26%
& Bridges is peddling the same policies as Key.
I couldn't care less which party is right or wrong anymore these days, I just can't believe how fucking stupid the average voter is, wouldn't have a clue what a policy or broken promise was as long as the messenger is appealing.

[husaberg]

Which further proves the theory that people are fucking stupid & ignore policies & all think it's a miss congeniality contest.
Fact is that the tooth fairy is peddling the same policies as Little, who couldn't get Labour over 26%
& Bridges is peddling the same policies as Key.
I couldn't care less which party is right or wrong anymore these days, I just can't believe how fucking stupid the average voter is, wouldn't have a clue what a policy or broken promise was as long as the messenger is appealing.

There was a video of Crusher today she looks like she hasn't sleep for days.
Seems odd she would have much to worry about given the polls.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/john-armstrongs-opinion-media-script-requires-bridges-end-up-dog-tucker?auto=6001006247001&variant=tb_v_1
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[sidecar bob]

There was a video of Crusher today she looks like she hasn't sleep for days.
Seems odd she would have much to worry about given the polls.


Mr Collins is clearly railing the shit outta her from dark till dawn.
C'mon, you would too.

[husaberg]

Mr Collins is clearly railing the shit outta her from dark till dawn.
C'mon, you would too.

Seriously what red blooded man wouldn't, From what i understand she has thighs strong enough to crush a Maui Dolphins head.
Maybe hes up all night worried about the whole Chinese thing? or maybe hes just on the deer velvet.

i just googled as i had never seen him, thats her hubby on the right, its an intersting picture. i had never seen. Slatter JL Ross and MR Crushers hubby. Cosy.
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Maybe she just needs a more sympathetic media profile
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=21&v=KoqfA3wQxYEhttps://cdn.thestandard.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Judith-Collins-joker-620x349.jpg

I never seen the Whole txt to JL Ross

The text sent to Ross said: "Before you interpret this as your usual narc self - don't. Interpret it as me - you are a f***ing ugly MF pig. Shave that f***ing tuft of hair off your f***ing front of skull head and own your baldness - you sweaty, fat, toe inturned mutant. You deserve to die and leave your children in peace and your wife out of torment - f***er!"

Ross says the text was one of the things that triggered a mental breakdown in October.
After re-reading it, he allegedly sent it to Dowie telling her "you get your wish," before turning his phone off. .

It's a criminal offence to incite suicide. If the text is found to be in breach of the Harmful Digital Communications Act, the sender could face up to 3 years in prison, or 14 years if the person tries to commit suicide. Before 2015, it was only an offence if someone tried to take their life.
Mr Ross was taken in by police this afternoon, and a source close to Ross told the Herald that he was "not in good shape" and "had been sectioned ... people who go willingly aren't sectioned".
Under the Mental Health Act, a person can be sectioned to a safe place against their will and given treatment if their safety is considered at risk.

[slofox]

Personally, I think National is very very good at losing the elections nobody would want to win. Throughout about 60 years of political "awareness"* I have seen them step gently out of the picture whenever the shit is about to hit the fan. Very clever I think.

* Means I heard about an election once

[R650R]

several significant negative changes....

Banning of plastic bags and replacing with more expensive eventually landfill thicker plastic bags that cost more.

Refusal to evict bad families from HNZ houses so you can no longer rely on random drug busts to get nicer neighbours.

Cancelling of major road projects that would have saved lives and increased quality of life

[AllanB]

Fact is that the tooth fairy is peddling the same policies as Little, who couldn't get Labour over 26%
& Bridges is peddling the same policies as Key.


That's a good point. Some years back we started adopting a American style of Presidential politics and concentrating on voting because of the leader and ignoring everybody else in their party.

I think career politicians should have to do six months in a private business every five years or so - if they end up on their second warning in that period for poor performance they can't re-enter the political world.

[george formby]

I think career politicians should have to do six months in a private business every five years or so - if they end up on their second warning in that period for poor performance they can't re-enter the political world.

I think politicians and regional councillors should be held accountable for their decisions in perpetuity.

[James Deuce]

I think politicians and regional councillors should be held accountable for their decisions in perpetuity.
I think local body politicians should be executed at the end of their first term.

[oldrider]

That's a good point. Some years back we started adopting a American style of Presidential politics and concentrating on voting because of the leader and ignoring everybody else in their party.

I think career politicians should have to do six months in a private business every five years or so - if they end up on their second warning in that period for poor performance they can't re-enter the political world.

Isn't that what democracy and "free" elections is supposed to achieve? - Appears that someone with too much (disproportionate) spare cash has queered the pitch though! :facepalm:

[mashman]

That's a good point. Some years back we started adopting a American style of Presidential politics and concentrating on voting because of the leader and ignoring everybody else in their party.

Same as Europe... but as bob said, given that policy is pretty much the same term in term out... WTF else are people going to vote for if not a winning smile or a business suit or some fancy credentials or the backing of the establishment and therefore kudos beyondo questiono. Be no point voting otherwise :wari:

[husaberg]

That's a good point. Some years back we started adopting a American style of Presidential politics and concentrating on voting because of the leader and ignoring everybody else in their party.
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Do you think that happened as Jim Mclay Geoffrey Palmer and Jim bolger and Jenny Shipley were as boring as batshit. Sadly lacking any actual charisma.
Lke em or Not Muldoon and Lange and had x factor.

[husaberg]

Same as Europe... but as bob said, given that policy is pretty much the same term in term out... WTF else are people going to vote for if not a winning smile or a business suit or some fancy credentials or the backing of the establishment and therefore kudos beyondo questiono. Be no point voting otherwise :wari:

Are you suggesting you only got 1% of the vote as you are too ugly and didnt have a nice suit?
I think ya selling yourself Short Mashy ,Faafoi is no Brad Pitt
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[Berries]

I think local body politicians should be executed at the end of their first term.
That's a little unfair, it should be when they submit the application form.

[Swoop]

Mr Collins is clearly railing the shit outta her from dark till dawn.
C'mon, you would too.
You mean he isn't using all the leftover bits to build the world's best street race car with al the "doof-doof" bling?


From what i understand she has thighs strong enough to crush a Maui Dolphins head.
Surely a suped-up boi ricer honda civic's engine block wouldn't stand a chance between those thighs?:eek:

[AllanB]

Do you think that happened as Jim Mclay Geoffrey Palmer and Jim bolger and Jenny Shipley were as boring as batshit. Sadly lacking any actual charisma.
Lke em or Not Muldoon and Lange and had x factor.

I think you have nailed it.

[husaberg]

You mean he isn't using all the leftover bits to build the world's best street race car with al the "doof-doof" bling?


Surely a suped-up boi ricer honda civic's engine block wouldn't stand a chance between those thighs?:eek:

I still remember my mum asking 25 years ago why they all play the same cassette, i said whats the song? she said i don't know what its called but it goes doof doof doof.

[Ocean1]

That's a good point. Some years back we started adopting a American style of Presidential politics and concentrating on voting because of the leader and ignoring everybody else in their party.

I think career politicians should have to do six months in a private business every five years or so - if they end up on their second warning in that period for poor performance they can't re-enter the political world.

I think every Kiwi should have to do 3 years in their own business before they get to vote.

But I'm a cunt. Apparently.

[AllanB]

I think every Kiwi should have to do 3 years in their own business before they get to vote.

But I'm a cunt. Apparently.

I cannot remember the stats but NZ is full of small businesses and a high percentage of start-up ones do not survive the first three years. I know a few people who got in and out of catering in that time frame.

[TheDemonLord]

I cannot remember the stats but NZ is full of small businesses and a high percentage of start-up ones do not survive the first three years. I know a few people who got in and out of catering in that time frame.

I think that's the point...

[Ocean1]

I cannot remember the stats but NZ is full of small businesses and a high percentage of start-up ones do not survive the first three years. I know a few people who got in and out of catering in that time frame.

Yep, I think 60% of NZ business is SMEs, generating about 40% of gdp.

[Ocean1]

I think that's the point...

Aye, it's a microcosm of a national economy, if you can't successfully manage it at that scale you have no business managing a country, either in administration or by voting to influence policy.

[oldrider]

Aye, it's a microcosm of a national economy, if you can't successfully manage it at that scale you have no business managing a country, either in administration or by voting to influence policy.

True but when you outsource the means of wealth distribution and control completely it is the same as riding a motorcycle from the pillion seat - ..... :wait:

[oldrider]

NZ Politicians should look to the experts on how to provide fast build housing policies? :yes: https://mondoweiss.net/2019/02/ministers-palestinian-communities/ - :niceone:

[Ocean1]

True but when you outsource the means of wealth distribution and control completely it is the same as riding a motorcycle from the pillion seat - ..... :wait:

The only valid means of wealth distribution is as it's always been: Earn it.

The two exceptions being charity and theft.

[Voltaire]

I think every Kiwi should have to do 3 years in their own business before they get to vote.

But I'm a cunt. Apparently.

What...all that getting up early as your working for the Bank, IRD, suppliers and so on. Putting in long hours, finding work, doing all the work

then coming home and doing the office work....that sort of thing?

Then getting to the point where you really need an extra pair of hands and think.....oh bugger this someone else can put in Heat Pumps.

[Ocean1]

What...all that getting up early as your working for the Bank, IRD, suppliers and so on. Putting in long hours, finding work, doing all the work

then coming home and doing the office work....that sort of thing?

Then getting to the point where you really need an extra pair of hands and think.....oh bugger this someone else can put in Heat Pumps.

Yeah, it's always someone else. It's only when you're responsible for every aspect of your own production and your own outcomes that you can claim that your daily effort is worth your daily bread.

Without that experience most people have no way to accurately quantify the value associated with their work, which leads a lot of people to believe they deserve shit they didn't earn. Which is always, of course shit someone else had to earn for them.

[husaberg]

Yeah, it's always someone else. It's only when you're responsible for every aspect of your own production and your own outcomes that you can claim that your daily effort is worth your daily bread.

Without that experience most people have no way to accurately quantify the value associated with their work, which leads a lot of people to believe they deserve shit they didn't earn. Which is always, of course shit someone else had to earn for them.
Yeah business experience like Ex National party leader Jenny Shipley would be invaluable.:msn-wink:
Looks like she is finally going to have to pay up for some of her mismanagement.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/110863543/former-prime-minister-dame-jenny-shipley-ordered-to-pay-6m-over-mainzeal-collapse

Or Ruth Richardson whose law degree must have qualified her for Minister of Finance.
Bill Birch a Surveyor, who never went past High School.
Bill English honours degree in English literature.
Rob Muldoon accountants Clerk.

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[Ocean1]

Yeah business experience like Ex National party leader Jenny Shipley would be invaluable.:msn-wink:
Looks like she is finally going to have to pay up for some of her mismanagement.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/110863543/former-prime-minister-dame-jenny-shipley-ordered-to-pay-6m-over-mainzeal-collapse

Or Ruth Richardson whose law degree must have qualified her for Minister of Finance.
Bill Birch a Surveyor, who never went past High School.
Bill English honours degree in English literature.
Rob Muldoon accountants Clerk.

Oh look, another misconceived opportunity to spew your anti-nat bile all over the internets. :laugh:

Leme see if I can reply in kind... If your marxist idols currently failing to deliver pretty much everything they promised are more academically tooled up than your "random sample" you've lost that argument before it starts.

However, to refresh your somewhat selective memory, the contention is that managing an SME exposes you to the direct consequences of your performance, for better or worse, and no brave new socialist brainstorm has ever or will ever provide a better model from which to learn success.

[husaberg]

Oh look, another misconceived opportunity to spew your anti-nat bile all over the internets. :laugh:

Leme see if I can reply in kind... If your marxist idols currently failing to deliver pretty much everything they promised are more academically tooled up than your "random sample" you've lost that argument before it starts.

However, to refresh your somewhat selective memory, the contention is that managing an SME exposes you to the direct consequences of your performance, for better or worse, and no brave new socialist brainstorm has ever or will ever provide a better model from which to learn success.

Sorry what did you say i was distracted By Cameron Slater declaring himself brankrupt today as well.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/110863026/whale-oil-blogger-cameron-slater-bankrupt-and-severely-incapacitated

Slater is currently embroiled in a number of defamation proceedings.
"This has led Cam to make the very difficult decision to declare bankruptcy, since he is unable to generate enough passive revenue to fund the three extremely expensive and in his opinion, vexatious, defamation actions against him.
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You can bluster and obfuscate as much as you want but simple facts are most of the national party have no business experience or accruement
The past National government borrowed heavily to fund tax cuts we couldn't afford
Hypocritically, You go on continually about Broken promises by politicians but ignore nationals many more broken promises and continued financial mismanagement .
The fact you believe a politician leads me to believe you are incapable of rational decision making in the first place.:laugh:

National is going to lose the next election unless they come up with something better than you can now. There petty politics are going to fail, that's why they are slipping in the polls.

A Positive vision of the future might win National an election, But there current negative crap will not.
As far to many people remember there crap from the last government they tried to make out was not an issue.
Like housing affordability and fixing infrastructure and healthcare.
That's without even going into what a train Wreck the National party leadership is at the moment.
The leaders a pillock , no one likes or trusts the deputy and no one trust Judith Collins either.

[Ocean1]

Sorry what did you say i was distracted ....


Oh look, another misconceived opportunity to spew your anti-nat bile all over the internets. :laugh:

Leme see if I can reply in kind...

Y'know what? I can't be fucked, you're so far short of rational discussion it's genuinely astonishing, I sincerely hope you find a cure for your obvious rampant cognitive dissonance malaise one day.

[husaberg]

Y'know what? I can't be fucked, you're so far short of rational discussion it's genuinely astonishing, I sincerely hope you find a cure for your obvious rampant cognitive dissonance malaise one day.

Big on rhetoric low on actual solutions or evidence to support your rhetoric, That the National party attitude for you.
If only you were Chinese we could raise the $100,000 "donation" needed to buy you a party seat.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/107877604/explosive-allegations-before-disgraced-mp-jamilee-ross-quits-national-party-forcing-byelection

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Real bad day for national former PM has to stump up 6 million for financial mismanagement then Cameron Slater has to declare bankruptcy, add that to slipping in the polls so far their leader not even making double digits its been a great week for the old boys in Blue.

[husaberg]

Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment data show since 1970, National Governments have imposed 34.51 cents a litre of fuel taxes.
Labour Governments have increased taxes by 35.47 cents a litre.
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When asked about National's role in increasing fuel taxes, Mr Bridges pointed the finger at the current Government.
Unfortunately for Simon The National Party's record was an increase of 59 percent, now Mr Bridges is shouting he's as purest as snow - he's not.


https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/384025/eminem-lawyers-take-nz-national-party-to-supreme-court-over-damages
lol
Is National to broke to pay the court order.

In 2017, the High Court found the music library track "Eminem-esque," which backed one of the party's election campaign videos, substantially copied the rapper's song 'Lose Yourself'.
The court ordered the National Party to pay $600,000 to Eight Mile Style, Eminem's music publisher, for the breach of copyright.
National went to the Court of Appeal to challenge that and in a judgment in December, the court quashed the original damages award and ordered the party to pay $225,000 instead.

[AllanB]

NAh - that's standard lawyering at the big end.

Get a judgement against you, apeal it and hopefully it goes more your way. They could still go to the Supreme Court for a third crack to overturn everything. But the risk is that court imposed the original fine!

It will be paid then 'donations' to the same total will arrive quickly.

Such is the party life.

[husaberg]

NAh - that's standard lawyering at the big end.

Get a judgement against you, apeal it and hopefully it goes more your way. They could still go to the Supreme Court for a third crack to overturn everything. But the risk is that court imposed the original fine!

It will be paid then 'donations' to the same total will arrive quickly.

Such is the party life.

Er Yeah.......:lol:

Eminem lawyers take NZ National Party to Supreme Court over damages

[husaberg]

The announcement that the Serious Fraud Office is investigating National’s donation scandal dropped like a bomb in Parliament. After all it is not every day that the SFO announces that it is investigating a major political party. In fact this has never happened before ever.
I wonder how far back they will go? I missed this the first time arround.
#Note who the guy that Key claimed the donation was for, none other than Jami Lee Ross, oh dear.

National’s electoral returns and the Donghua Liu donation

Written By: MICKY SAVAGE - Date published: 11:22 am, February 25th, 2015

National has been busy constructing a story around recent news concerning Donghua Liu’s donation of $25,000. The proposition is that John Key went to Donghua Liu’s place for dinner, that Liu then gave a significant donation but it was not to the party or to Liu’s BFF Maurice Williamson who found Liu a house, set up meetings with successive Immigration Ministers for him and even sacrificed his ministerial career by interfering in a police prosecution of Liu. No not to the top man John Key, not to the National Party, not to Williamson, but to a nondescript back bencher who tagged along with Key to the dinner.
How likely is that?
The motivation is clear. If news of a donation by Liu to National had been published the day before Williamson resigned for interfering in a police prosecution it would have been incendiary.
In the Herald story National claimed that the donation was to the Botany Cabinet Club. This particular club has the unique feature that donations to it or at least the Liu donation do not appear to be recorded in National’s yearly return of donations. Apparently this particular cabinet club works under different rules to the rest of them.
Jamie-Lee has now filed his return of electoral expenses. It is interesting that the Herald [may have been] given three days heads up on the story. Perhaps National saw this as a way to lead the story with its own framing in particular suggesting that the donation was to Ross and not National. The news was obviously going to break anyway as soon as Ross’s return was published.
I have had a look through the returns. The figures are impressive. There are some unusual features:
National spent on average $20,356 in each seat it contested. By contrast Labour spent $9,199.84. When you add in the party campaign figures ($2,558,211.53 verses $1,269,298.91) National spent twice as much on attributable expenses as Labour ($3.8 million verses $1.9 million).
Nikki Kaye is the only person to not declare any donations. Either her local organisation is well funded or she has made a mistake which she may wish to correct.
The total of donations declared by National candidates is $1.262 million with over 80% of this being funded from National head office.
Talleys were a major private contributor giving $37,500 to different campaigns.
In 26 of the 41 National held seats the only donor was head office. In the remaining 15 there was a single donor in nine of those seats with Talleys being the donor in three of those seats. So in only six seats were there more than two private donors.
There is no sign of any Cabinet Club donations being recorded in any of the individual returns apart from in Ross’s return.
It seems clear that cabinet club donations are collected centrally, recorded in the party’s annual return and then distributed out to the local electorates. National previously said that since Cabinet Club donations were declared everything was above board.
And the story, at least in the way that National presents it, keeps changing. According to TV3 a couple of days ago:
Last year Mr Key’s office denied a dinner he had with Liu was a ‘Cabinet Club’ fundraiser. But today the story changed, after pictures emerged of the Prime Minister meeting Liu at his Remuera home – a meeting that at the height of last year’s donations saga, Mr Key didn’t want to talk about.
His office at the time said the mystery dinner wasn’t a contentious fundraiser, but today Mr Key said he knew it was a Cabinet Club dinner.
And …
Liu’s links to National have hurt the Government – most notably last year’s resignation by Maurice Williamson as a minister for interfering in Liu’s ongoing police case.
At the time, Mr Key was keen to keep his distance, admitting they’d met, but wouldn’t give specifics. However Mr Key’s office later said the pair met at a National Party fundraiser.
But today’s pictures reveal that fundraiser was actually the private dinner at Liu’s home – complete with a smiling Mr Key and National’s Botany MP Jami-Lee Ross.
When asked last year if it was a Cabinet Club dinner, the Prime Minister’s office replied in a statement simply saying no.
So what happened? Maybe Key employs absolutely amateurish staff who put out information without running it past the boss to make sure that it is accurate. Or maybe not.
So Key denied last year the dinner was a Cabinet Club dinner. And his staff said it was not a contentious fundraiser the day after TV3 broke the news about cabinet clubs and on the same day that news about contentious Cabinet Club meetings for the Chinese was released. Then this year it is said to be a cabinet club fundraiser but the donation is not declared by National even though it seems that it has declared other cabinet club donations.

The whole story is as fishy as Talley’s best products.


And what about Simon Bridges in his own return mistakenly calling Aaron Bhatnagar “Cathedral Club”? This was an innocent mistake that happens all the time.

Morris Willimson had to resign from Government when it was made public his interference in Police charging the National partys Secret donor.

Not so long ago
Republican Senator James Talent told a US Congress hearing in May that Chinese donors with links to the CCP were “buying access and influence” with major parties in New Zealand.
Former CIA analyst Peter Mattis told the hearing that if no action was taken, NZ should be removed from the US-led Five Eyes intelligence alliance.

I see now Today Simon Bridges is now calling for the banning of donations from overseas sources. From Jason Walls at the Herald:

National Party leader Simon Bridges has joined the Greens and a chorus of other MPs in saying he would support a ban on foreign donations to political parties.
This morning, he threw his weight behind any government proposals which would curb foreign influences in New Zealand and made specific mention of overseas donations.

Odd when you consider Nationals history with these.
These can be avoided by donating through New Zealand-registered corporate entities – such as companies, incorporated societies and trusts – which are allowed to donate regardless of whether they are owned or controlled by New Zealanders.
For example
Who could forget he Inner Mongolia Rider Horse Industry (NZ) Limited gave National a donation of $150,000 and for electoral purposes this was not from an overseas person.

[husaberg]

Its Started, Judith Collins will be Nationals next leader.

Nationals social media is no pushing Chrusher. no mention or pictures of Simon
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/kindergarteners-shouldnt-be-protesting-climate-change-collins/ar-BBUMIfl?ocid=spartanntp
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/threats-part-of-life-for-mps-and-the-famous-collins/ar-BBUMPd3?ocid=spartanntp
https://thespinoff.co.nz/games/12-03-2019/is-the-elusive-target-in-hitman-2-actually-judith-collins-a-spinoff-investigation/

Why would chrusher be doing the newsfeed about climate change when she isnt the shadow minister or even spokeperson climate change. thats Todd Muller
Nor has it seems she been threatened or assulted yet she fronts the news feed.
Plus we have this puff piece all in the space of a few hours.

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The announcement that the Serious Fraud Office is investigating National’s donation scandal dropped like a bomb in Parliament. After all it is not every day that the SFO announces that it is investigating a major political party. In fact this has never happened before
I wonder how far back they will go i missed this the first time arround note who the guy that Key claimed the Donation was to none other than Jami Lee Ross, oh dear.



It's hard to imagine that these two sentences were written by the same person. One is in English and the other was constructed by a chimp struggling with a random word generator.

The reason for that is that KB's Jedi master of copy and paste purloined the first one from the political blog 'The Standard' without quotation marks or attribution and the second one springs from the fetid swamp of his own imagination... plus ca change plus la meme chose.

[husaberg]

It's hard to imagine that these two sentences were written by the same person. One is in English and the other was constructed by a chimp struggling with a random word generator.

The reason for that is that KB's Jedi master of copy and paste purloined the first one from the political blog 'The Standard' without quotation marks or attribution and the second one springs from the fetid swamp of his own imagination... plus ca change plus la meme chose.

I know i forgot a quotion mark and a couple of commas, that makes none of what clearly happened ever hapened at all.
Heres a Hint if you attack the messenger, rather then the message, you are a weak, and your own opinion is feable.
Jami Lee Ross is in a position to bring down the whole national party Including previous leader Mr Telflon John Key.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeCTj2Ursc8
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/key-forced-explain-dealings-donghua-liu?variant=tb_v_1
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/103660596/marama-fox-defends-donation-from-controversial-developer-donghua-liu
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/93404022/developer-donghua-liu-found-guilty-of-resource-consent-charge

Minister Maurice Williamson was forced to quit after he tried to intervene in a police inquiry into allegations of domestic violence against Liu's partner and her mother.

December 2013: Liu is arrested on domestic violence charges.

January 31, 2014: Parliament’s register of pecuniary interests which is meant to include gifts valued over $500 does not include Donghua Liu’s apparent gift of $25,000 to Jamie Lee-Ross’s election campaign. Genuine donations to an electoral campaign do not need to be declared.

March 2014: Herald reveals Maurice Williamson lobbied ministerial colleague to give Liu citizenship against official advice and Liu’s $22,000 donation to National.

April 30, 2014: National Party Secretary Greg Hamilton files a Party Donations Return that does not include the Donghua Liu donation of $25,000.

May 1, 2014: Mr Williamson forced to resign as a minister after Herald investigation reveals he telephoned senior police officer about Liu’s domestic violence charges in January 2014 Prime Minister John Key said he recalled “seeing Mr Liu at various functions, including a dinner as part of a National Party fundraiser.” He does not mention that the private dinner was at Liu’s own home.

May 10, 2014: Adam Bennett reports that Williamson had lobbied three different Immigration Ministers to relax the business migrant scheme entry requirements.

November 2014: Mr Ross returns the $25,000 donation to Liu.

February 2015: Electoral returns to reveal the $25,000 donation.

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I know i forgot a quotion mark and a couple of commas, that makes none of what clearly happened ever hapened at all.
Heres a Hint if you attack the messenger, rather then the message, you are a weak, and your own opinion is feable.


Definitely stick to copy and paste dude. :laugh:

[Katman]

Heres a Hint if you attack the messenger, rather then the message, you are a weak, and your own opinion is feable.

Oh, the fucking irony.

[husaberg]

Oh, the fucking irony.


Considering I don't think the world revolves around me,

Really put that one to the polls

[Scubbo]

thought this was good - https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/03/australian-economist-judith-sloan-rips-into-ordinary-jacinda-ardern.html