how do you put your knee down??

[ducatilover]

can someone give me some advice on how to corner better? i just recently got my arse kicked by a 'busa in some hairpins and now crave for the art of real cornering. what i do curently is put my arse on the inside corner side of my seat[ well its actualy not 'on' the seat but balanced beside it] and put me inside knee out and pull the bike through the apex, usually on the pegs :2thumbsup whilst modulating the throtle[on a gn that means almost always full throttle] is there any thing i'm doing wrong because i certainly cant go any faster than i am using my current tecnique......please help....

[Toast]

If you want 'faster'...there's plenty of other things you can do without bother about getting your knee down (but if you really must: stick one cheek off the seat and point your knee out, simple...jus' do it on a racetrack first time, makes it easier).

For one thing, just make your 'flick' in to the corner quicker. This Keith Code book I read reckons that your 'steering rate' determines how quick you can go throught the corner (a faster flick means a smaller lean angle for a given speed). Practice getting your arms in the right position (perpendicular to the angle of your forks), and sticking the bastard on it's ear as quickly as you can...do it gradually though. The more violent you are in the steering movement, the more likely the bike is to get unsettled.

I'm sure you'll get plenty of other such advice which you really don't want, but there you go... :)

[ducatilover]

cheers man, i pretty much do the cheek of the seat thing but i keep scraping my boot :shutup: how exactly do i 'flick' my bike??

[bugjuice]

putting your knee down is going into the 'wank' factor apparently. I'm still trying to do it, just to say I can, not so I can blast around everywhere. I've ridden with bikers who have slammed their knee down hard into corners, and I've had to back off from running into the back. You can be just as quick not on the ground as you can with your knee down. It's all in the bike, the tyres, the setup and the rider..

Racers put their knee on the ground round corners mainly to know how close they're leaning over, which lets them judge how much is left. The other 'trick' is, if the racer is lucky, if the grip slips, you can bang your knee do and get the grip back.. but you have to have rather large balls and luck to do that.

Just trust your tyres a little more and ride a smidge harder each ride, and you might just pick up the pace yourself.
As for 'flicking' the bike, try standing on the pegs a little more too, then when you have to flick the bike from one way to the other, you can almost jump from one side to the other and bang it over for the next corner.. Watch the racers more closely with their riding style

As for being arse whipped by a busa, that's nothing to be ashamed of, on a 650.. it's double your capacity for a start! let alone the rider

[Korea]

If you want 'faster'...there's plenty of other things you can do without bother about getting your knee down (but if you really must: stick one cheek off the seat and point your knee out, simple...jus' do it on a racetrack first time, makes it easier).

Hey Toast, you're half-way there, and I agree with you - but don't just stick your butt out, move your whole upper body to the inside of the bike's centreline.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=378101#post378101

[N4CR]

Yeah I find I can actually go faster without the knee down at the moment :| so it is sorta pointless for now (but looks cool :D ). I do agree with the stability thing, but I use my toesliders to sort of 'feel' when shit is getting ugly and correct it.

It's a cool feeling getting it down for the first time. Also just make sure you actually have knee sliders and they are positioned properly. :spudwave:

[Toast]

cheers man, i pretty much do the cheek of the seat thing but i keep scraping my boot :shutup: how exactly do i 'flick' my bike??

Like Buggy said, weight on the pegs is a great place to start.

By 'flick'...I just mean the initial turn in, where you go from bike upright to a position where the bike is 'on it's side'...after which you will be getting the gas on.

Making that 'flick' in more purposeful and eventually quicker...but still smooth (as opposed to smooth and easy does it which is natural at first), you should start to notice that you no longer have to lean as far...which is shit hot 'cos the bike will be more stable too.

How's that 650 you brought by the way? I've always liked the look of them. Might buy one for a second bike one day.

[Kornholio]

As for being arse whipped by a busa, that's nothing to be ashamed of, on a 650.. it's double your capacity for a start! let alone the rider

I think he rides a GN250 which is nearer to 5 times capacity :/

[bugjuice]

I think he rides a GN250 which is nearer to 5 times capacity :/
k, so l may be I miss read the post - in which case, why are you even trying to keep up?!?!

[Toast]

Hey Toast, you're half-way there, and I agree with you - but don't just stick your butt out, move your whole upper body to the inside of the bike's centreline.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=378101#post378101

Good call...I should be more careful in spouting such things...

point #3:
"#3 …Grip the tank and outer footpeg with your outer leg. Some say it’s pointless but I find that if I’ve got weight on the outside peg, I am more stable when something unexpected happens; ripples, head shake, rear slide…"

...is a personal fave...makes a world of difference to stability, especially over bumps 'n stuff gas-on through a corner. Theory is that your leg acts like a shock absorber and takes some of the momentum transferred to the bike from the tyre as it's hit by bumps...I think...is that right Korea? It definitely has good effect anyway.

[ducatilover]

putting your knee down is going into the 'wank' factor apparently. I'm still trying to do it, just to say I can, not so I can blast around everywhere. I've ridden with bikers who have slammed their knee down hard into corners, and I've had to back off from running into the back. You can be just as quick not on the ground as you can with your knee down. It's all in the bike, the tyres, the setup and the rider..

Racers put their knee on the ground round corners mainly to know how close they're leaning over, which lets them judge how much is left. The other 'trick' is, if the racer is lucky, if the grip slips, you can bang your knee do and get the grip back.. but you have to have rather large balls and luck to do that.

Just trust your tyres a little more and ride a smidge harder each ride, and you might just pick up the pace yourself.
As for 'flicking' the bike, try standing on the pegs a little more too, then when you have to flick the bike from one way to the other, you can almost jump from one side to the other and bang it over for the next corner.. Watch the racers more closely with their riding style

As for being arse whipped by a busa, that's nothing to be ashamed of, on a 650.. it's double your capacity for a start! let alone the rideractually i havent got the 650 yet[i'm on the gn till i can sell it to get the 650, please some one buy it i want my 650....a good gn with two carefull owners, never been thrashed.......today] if i had this wouldn't of hapened quite so bad. i just find that i am more cofortable putting my knee sorta in the general ground direction and moving my arse off than just plain sitting on the bike. i trust my tyres more than the bike. only cos i forked out on beaut soft pirrellis :niceone: the gns original tyres were shit and they were nearly new! it kept drifting the front.... :devil2:

[Korea]

point #3:
"#3 …Grip the tank and outer footpeg with your outer leg. Some say it’s pointless but I find that if I’ve got weight on the outside peg, I am more stable when something unexpected happens; ripples, head shake, rear slide…"

...is a personal fave...makes a world of difference to stability, especially over bumps 'n stuff gas-on through a corner. Theory is that your leg acts like a shock absorber and takes some of the momentum transferred to the bike from the tyre as it's hit by bumps...I think...is that right Korea? It definitely has good effect anyway.

Yeah, I agree that it's a big help for all of the above, but just conciously gripping the outside so you're hanging on when things go awry will help you stay on the bike, not panic and 'ride it out' better. I may have mentioned earlier that I freaked-out and my legs went flailing during my first real slide.

Also I'm always going on about a loose grip on the bars - the leg grip compensates for the lack of grip up front.

As always, try what works for you.

[ducatilover]

I think he rides a GN250 which is nearer to 5 times capacity :/
i'll be riding the gn till someone kindly buys it or i go nuts and get a mate to do an insurance job on it. when i sell the gn i will get this 650 :not: i wasn't chasing the busa. he chased me and me being me wanted to see if a busa could lean as far as a gn and yes they can, and then some. lets just say i'm suprised. but yes it is five or so times the capacity but i think the gn weighs 'bout 100kg less so i thought i could use that as an advantage. you have to see my pegs they began to fold cos i was going so low and my foot was caught in them......they really are scraped quite bad. when i got home i hoped off stood beside the bike and lowered it towards the ground to see how far i was leaning and fuck i must be fucken mental i'm suprised at how close i was to scraping my arse. oh, i found putting lower on it bars has helped majorly :niceone:

[bugjuice]

you cannot seriously believe that you'd stand a fraction of a chance on your GN against a busa.. sorry, but that's just funny as hell.. Don't worry about it until you get your 650. Learn the bike and get to know it, then in a year after you've got the bike, try it again and then see the results.. Until then, I think you're starting to 'peak' on your GN.. Don't worry about it, just upgrade it, take it easy, and don't rush yourself. It'll all come in time!
Do you have your full yet?

[ducatilover]

no, i dont have my full yet. but i am upgrading because i found a good cheap bike that will actaully do 110k into the fucken wind. and i found all the other 250s inadequate to be honest. the gsx was too gutless/ heavy, the srv was too gutless but it was sooooosexy sounding, the vtr250 was too gutless but handled quite nicely[fucken great too be honest] but had no tach. i travel 140km atleast every day and its all in 100k areas and being in the country i want a good sporty bike with some good power. i was thinking on a zzr600 but i dont trust myself enough.....

[The Stranger]

It's a sad day when a GN can't whip a Hayabusa.

[ducatilover]

It's a sad day when a GN can't whip a Hayabusa.
lol, well i'll have you know i can beat many bikers.






the fact that they are on push bikes doesnt count :crybaby:

[Marmoot]

If riders put their knee-down, boyracers do drifting. :whistle:
On the road, they're mainly about looks.

But, hey, I do want to put my knee down too (and I haven't managed to) :dodge:

[Ixion]

Well, you (and I) are in good company. Hailwood never did, nor did Ago, let alone Surtees, stan woods , Freddie Frith , et al.

But maybe all the "knee down" experts are better riders than agostini .

[ducatilover]

all hail John Britten :not: :not: :not: :headbang:

[M1CRO]

can someone give me some advice on how to corner better? ....

As mentioned by others, cornering is more than just putting your knee down... A whole range of factors come into play including entry speed, cornering line, vanishing point, experience, where you are looking, etc etc etc.... Unfortunately this only comes with experience and as mentioned, knee out is not the be all and end-all...

In fact, I would be bold enough to say, that a "good" rider on a 250cc would probably beat a larger machine through very tight twisties.. I followed a GSX1100 last week and struggled to keep up around "twisties" (less than 60km/hr corners), but on "sweepers" is where I made up the ground mainly as the straight line speed and the horses I had under me allowed me to bridge the gap...

My best advice (being a Busa rider obviously - which, I must point out here and now, does NOT mean that I corner better than anyone out there) is to keep within your limits! And at least keep these two things in mind;
1. When cornering - slow in, fast out
2. NEVER ride at or beyond 100% of your ability - ALWAYS keep some up your sleeve in case things start to go wrong (and trust me, they will!!) :done:

[Ixion]

All other things being equal, a smaller (= lighter) bike will always corner faster than a bigger (= heavier) bike.

Less rotating mass, less sprung weight, lower and smaller moment of inertia, all sorts of physics type stuff says small is best.

Of course , things never are equal, and when people say "corner faster" they don't really mean that, they mean "get in front of the other bike on the exit". Where the power of the big engine pulling out of the corner will more than make up for a slightly slower speed through the corner

(Note: I did say "all other things being equal")

[M1CRO]

All other things being equal, a smaller (= lighter) bike will always corner faster than a bigger (= heavier) bike.

Less rotating mass, less sprung weight, lower and smaller moment of inertia, all sorts of physics type stuff says small is best.

Of course , things never are equal, and when people say "corner faster" they don't really mean that, they mean "get in front of the other bike on the exit". Where the power of the big engine pulling out of the corner will more than make up for a slightly slower speed through the corner

Yup, another way of saying what I said :niceone:

[N4CR]

Of course , things never are equal, and when people say "corner faster" they don't really mean that, they mean "get in front of the other bike on the exit". Where the power of the big engine pulling out of the corner will more than make up for a slightly slower speed through the corner

(Note: I did say "all other things being equal")

I find that to be quite true. When I'm caning it and behind the bigger bikes it gets frustrating when you have to hit the anchors to stay off their tail - when you go to pass them they rape your little 250 with the sheer power/exit speed. So in the end the average speed through a set of corners is quite similar, while the corner speed of the 250 will be higher, so when you pass them while being reasonably similar speed through corners, I could say you would piss off the larger engined riders, as they have to go slow on the exit :crybaby:

[SPORK]

To put knee down:

1) Grasp knee
2) Gently place knee on ground

[ducatilover]

All other things being equal, a smaller (= lighter) bike will always corner faster than a bigger (= heavier) bike.

Less rotating mass, less sprung weight, lower and smaller moment of inertia, all sorts of physics type stuff says small is best.

Of course , things never are equal, and when people say "corner faster" they don't really mean that, they mean "get in front of the other bike on the exit". Where the power of the big engine pulling out of the corner will more than make up for a slightly slower speed through the corner

(Note: I did say "all other things being equal")yes i can see your point. but lets take into account i dont consider my self a good rider just competent enough to ride to my own abilities and realise my/the bikes limits. also, my bike compared to a hayabusa, well where do i start?? my bike has twin rear shocks that will under pressure act/distort/compress at different rates to each other, thus causing a nothiceable wobble. the swing arm on my gn seems to twist a little as it is ridden hard, i have oto replace the bearings soon as they are getting worn out. i have very soft front forks, which also creates twist and understeer and not to mention alot of dive under braking. a haya busa can definately carry more entry and exit speed than my gn. the only advantage i had was the lack of mass that my gn has....and to be fair he was and most probably still is a better rider :niceone:

[ducatilover]

To put knee down:

1) Grasp knee
2) Gently place knee on groundLMFAO. great advice. :not:

[pritch]

"#3 …Grip the tank and outer footpeg with your outer leg. Some say it’s pointless but I find that if I’ve got weight on the outside peg, I am more stable when something unexpected happens; ripples, head shake, rear slide…"


That seems good advice.


"Weighting the outside footpeg was a trick I learned from trial riding when I was a kid. Whether I was on an off-camber hill or a greasy pavement I'd get some weight on the outside peg because it really helps the grip.
Whatever the scenario it's the thing to do when the grip's lesser.

You can use the inside peg in the opposite scenario - if it's pushing the front, get your weight off the outside peg and stomp on the inside. That should make the rear slide and take some weight off the front to stop it pushing."

- Kevin Schwantz

(I take credit for the spelling mistakes.)

[nudemetalz]

I agree with the small bike/big bike thing.

On the race tack, you can hold so much more cornering speed on an RS-125 next to a F3 400 bike, while only losing little if any speed down the straight. Basically power to weight ratio is what counts, not whether you get your knee down everytime.

[nudemetalz]

That seems good advice.


"Weighting the outside footpeg was a trick I learned from trial riding when I was a kid. Whether I was on an off-camber hill or a greasy pavement I'd get some weight on the outside peg because it really helps the grip.
Whatever the scenario it's the thing to do when the grip's lesser.

You can use the inside peg in the opposite scenario - if it's pushing the front, get your weight off the outside peg and stomp on the inside. That should make the rear slide and take some weight off the front to stop it pushing."

- Kevin Schwantz

(I take credit for the spelling mistakes.)

He didn't always get it right......

[Dafe]

[QUOTE=bugjuice]Racers put their knee on the ground round corners mainly to know how close they're leaning over, which lets them judge how much is left. The other 'trick' is, if the racer is lucky, if the grip slips, you can bang your knee do and get the grip back.. but you have to have rather large balls and luck to do that.


Hey Bugjuice, I've just been watching a DVD with interviews by Wayne Rainey and Kevin Schwantz.
Wayne Rainey was the first guy to start putting his knee down.
Wayne explains that because of his Motocross background, he was used to steering the bike round corners. He would use his foot to provide a balance giving him stability when cornering.
Wayne would place a special adhesive tape under his boot to help him slide around the corners.
When Wayne went to roadracing he found that he was naturally wanting to place his knee outwards, trying to use the same stability method for high speed cornering but found when his leathers touched the ground they would grip to the concrete and could throw him off, so he reverted back to using his trusty old tape over his knees and he could now slide his knee.
From there progressed the design of plastic sliders.
Wayne is recognised as the first rider to introduce a new style of roadracing to the roadbike world. A rearwheel steerer, where as Schwantz was still a front wheel steerer. (Personally, I struggle to understand this term - rear wheel steerer, but thats what Schwantz called it).

So the kneedown style is not about distance judging, it is infact all about creating more stability in the corners, by allowing a lower centre of gravity.

[Dafe]

If riders put their knee-down, boyracers do drifting. :whistle:
On the road, they're mainly about looks.

But, hey, I do want to put my knee down too (and I haven't managed to) :dodge:

Not at all! read my previous post above. Its about stability! I've begun experimenting with this and it really does feel alot more stable at higher speeds. You're not having to drop so much speed going into the corner.

[Toast]

From the two bikes I've owned...CBR250 and ZX6R, I actually reckon that the bigger bike is quicker through almost any SINGLE corner on the road...owing to the greater grip and stability of the bigger bike...

however, on sets of corners where there's a quick transition required...the little bike can more than hold its own, and is oh so fun :niceone:

Perhaps different on the race track though (I never took the 250 there), as stability is not such a major issue with the nice surface.

[Two Smoker]

Funny how there are so many experts on getting their knees down... I better keep my mouth shut...

[Dafe]

My advice to Ducatilover, don't be trying to put your knee down!
Instead concerntrate on your lines, looking through the corner and accelerating out of the apex. If you just get used to shifting off the seat and leaning out the knee then as you develop riding through the corners better (& over time), you'll find your knee will just start hitting the road surface.
My concern to you is, A GN250 tyre is probably not designed to be placed on this angle, you may end up getting yourself into alot of trouble.
I doubt a GN250 tyre has the rubber compound needed for sticking with such forces and the shape is probably very wrong for the angle. You shouldn't try these techniques on a GN250!!You need a sportbike!

As for the busa, he should cane you because his bike tyres will be alot more suitable to higher corner speeds.

[Dafe]

The real deal!

[marty]

i know it's been posted before, but it's sooo cool.....


this is what they mean by rear wheel steering.

[Motu]

Wayne Rainey was the first guy to start putting his knee down.


Obviously that's from Rainey's mouth - but it's pretty well accepted that it was Kenny Roberts who started knee down style,and he's says he copied it from others.But it was Kenny Roberts who brought in a new style than the universal ''classic'' line of the time - he developed a flattrack method in cornering a roadracer....a late entry,quick turn in with a throttle steered exit,the knee down is a version of the flattracker and speedway riders left foot out and steel shoe.

Dig out some real old photos of late 60s and early 70s roadracers,and you will see them with a cheek off the seat and the inside knee out,but it was Kenny Roberts who put it all together....just an extention of what was happening at the time,even he doesn't say he ''invented'' it.

[N4CR]

Funny how there are some many experts on getting their knees down... I better keep my mouth shut...

So that middle picture is on a two laned, one way road with you leaning the bike over on some tiny stand and then some sparks photoshopped in eh? ... you wouldn't be doing anything illegal right!? y-y-yy you wouldn't be that naughty r-rr right? :niceone:

Looks nice man.

[Drunken Monkey]

k, so l may be I miss read the post - in which case, why are you even trying to keep up?!?!

Agreed! Even if he did have a 650, a 'busa may look big, fugly and heavy, but they aren't just fast in a straight line - you can steer them pretty quick. Same goes for those Blackbirds - Zed can show you how well they deal to corners as well as straight roads.

[FROSTY]

Maybee I'm reading this all wrong but it looks to me like most everybody has missed the point. Duc you are trying the scrape ya knee on a GNU --Mate I guess given enough time and patience you can scrape ya knee on anything.
But a GNU would have to be right up there on my list of "too hard" bikes.
What I did do for a um verticly challenged person once (she was four foor 10) was fit a pair of higher pegs, rotated the gearshift on its spline and raised the rear brake pedal. I then fitted bars off of a XJ650 (2" raisefrom flat) redid the front shocks and poked em 25mm through the tripple clamps.I replaced the back shocks with (i think) a set of koni's off of a CB400n
It had a dicky little fairing on it.
Motor wise it wasnt changed but we tossed on a reverse cone megaphone muffler.
That was a shit load of work but the owner was very happy with the result.
Not worth the efffort
If i were you dont worry about knee scraping untill ya get something a tadd more sporty.

[2_SL0]

Getting a knee down, is it at all like getting a leg over? :laugh:

[nudemetalz]

Getting a knee down, is it at all like getting a leg over? :laugh:

ha ha,...if I tried to get my knee down and lean off while in the middle of it, the missus might complain....

Anyway, this is me about to get my knee down on my old RS-125 at Ruapuna back in 1996.
Definitely a good way of judging how far you can lean and where the traction is getting to it's limits.

With a 125, because the tyres are quite skinny (well, back then) you don't have a lot of warning when they let go (as my highside proved !!).

[notme]

Agree with one of the general themes here - that kneedown stuff is not necessarily needed to corner fast (especially on the road rather than track!).

Having said that, i tried and tried a while ago until i learned to do it just so that i could - and haven't done it since.

I've been finding that getting lines right and concentrating on slow in fast out type technique helps a LOT more for cornering quickly - and keeping my view UP at the vanishing point! May sound obvious, but i used to be more looking at the road directly in front of me, worried about the condition of the surface.

Following much better riders than myself and watching them helped a lot too!

[justsomeguy]

I've been finding that getting lines right and concentrating on slow in fast out type technique helps a LOT more for cornering quickly - and keeping my view UP at the vanishing point! May sound obvious, but i used to be more looking at the road directly in front of me, worried about the condition of the surface.



Farking tell me about it............:bash:

[Biff]

putting your knee down is going into the 'wank' factor apparently.


So true. Getting you knee down has very little to do with cornering faster. As BJ says, getting your knee down is primarily a guide that racers use to judge the bikes lean angle.

My advice - forget about getting you knee down if all you want to do is corner faster. Stick to upper body lean, getting your shoulder into the corner first off. Hanging a butt cheek off the seat will help keep the bike more upright, so useful in the tighter coreners, as you'll have more left in reserve should the corenr tighten etc. And put pressure on the inside peg when cornering, as BJ says, almost stand up in the seat, pushing down. Every little helps.

As for getting you knee down - I've done it, but only when trying to purposly get my knee down around a roundabout. I haven't done it since. So twice in 20 (ish)years of riding doesnt count I guess.

[justsomeguy]

Bloody hell - this thread is too provocative......

Just come back from bout 800ks in total of weekend riding and now I have to go out again ----- thank God for Cheenic Dwive.

Cheers for the info and tips buggy, biff, Korea and others.

[ducatilover]

My advice to Ducatilover, don't be trying to put your knee down!
Instead concerntrate on your lines, looking through the corner and accelerating out of the apex. If you just get used to shifting off the seat and leaning out the knee then as you develop riding through the corners better (& over time), you'll find your knee will just start hitting the road surface.
My concern to you is, A GN250 tyre is probably not designed to be placed on this angle, you may end up getting yourself into alot of trouble.
I doubt a GN250 tyre has the rubber compound needed for sticking with such forces and the shape is probably very wrong for the angle. You shouldn't try these techniques on a GN250!!You need a sportbike!

As for the busa, he should cane you because his bike tyres will be alot more suitable to higher corner speeds. hey, i dont have 'gn' tyres. i have pirelli sport demons. these tyres offer heeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaps of grip, even compared to the ninja's [yes i have one but it dont go any more, :crybaby: ] the ninja uses a medium softish type dunlop while my gn has very soft pirrelli sportdemons. went for a quick ride just before and tried some of the given advice and i honestly think that i have found the bike limits :whistle: i tried 'flicking', :headbang: great fun, also tried different weighting per footpeg sorta thing. i now conclude the lower i get the more stable i feel. i out cornered a cheeky fucker in a falcon xr6 while practiseing :devil2:

[dss3]

If ya want proof that getting your knee down doesn't mean your going fast look at my avatar.

It is at taupo and was put on for show to get a nice sparky photo, was definitly not the quickest way for me to get around that corner, and you can see the bike has bugger all lean angle on it either.

[ducatilover]

maybe i should wait till i get a real bike, but i'm telling ya i nearly did it today i geel more stable if i take nearly my whole arse off the seat. [my arse is about the same most peoples left hand side cheek] i am concentrating real hard on my lines, i have to learn to look at the vanishing point and not the surface as mentioned. :niceone:

[Two Smoker]

If ya want proof that getting your knee down doesn't mean your going fast look at my avatar.

It is at taupo and was put on for show to get a nice sparky photo, was definitly not the quickest way for me to get around that corner, and you can see the bike has bugger all lean angle on it either.

Thats because your a homo... and a woss to top it off

[nudemetalz]

hmm,...so friendly....

[dss3]

hmm,...so friendly....

Yeah, smartass little punk. We'll see who's laughing after 1st round of Taupo PMCC in a few weekends time aye TS! :Pokey:

Well... yeah, probably you again... dammit :argh: :crybaby: ... umm challenge ya to a drinking race instead! :drinknsin :first:

[nudemetalz]

Yeah, smartass little punk. We'll see who's laughing after 1st round of Taupo PMCC in a few weekends time aye TS! :Pokey:

Well... yeah, probably you again... dammit :argh: :crybaby: ... umm challenge ya to a drinking race instead! :drinknsin :first:

umm,...was trying to be nice,...and the avatar pic is quite neat actually !!

[Dafe]

Obviously that's from Rainey's mouth - but it's pretty well accepted that it was Kenny Roberts who started knee down style,and he's says he copied it from others.But it was Kenny Roberts who brought in a new style than the universal ''classic'' line of the time - he developed a flattrack method in cornering a roadracer....a late entry,quick turn in with a throttle steered exit,the knee down is a version of the flattracker and speedway riders left foot out and steel shoe.

Dig out some real old photos of late 60s and early 70s roadracers,and you will see them with a cheek off the seat and the inside knee out,but it was Kenny Roberts who put it all together....just an extention of what was happening at the time,even he doesn't say he ''invented'' it.

It wasn't Rainey saying he did it first at all!

It was Schwantz saying Rainey did it first!

Rainey was simply explaining how he would use adhesive tape around his knee to stop his leathers gripping the concrete, he was then integral in the design of the kneepad!

Perhaps Schwantz was talking shit on the DVD then. Especially since you say it was Roberts! :motu:

[Dafe]

So that middle picture is on a two laned, one way road with you leaning the bike over on some tiny stand and then some sparks photoshopped in eh? ... you wouldn't be doing anything illegal right!? y-y-yy you wouldn't be that naughty r-rr right? :niceone:

Looks nice man.

I agree with you there! The roads bend looks so gentle, why would you even need to knee down there, It just doesn't look right to me either.

[k14]

I agree with the small bike/big bike thing.

On the race tack, you can hold so much more cornering speed on an RS-125 next to a F3 400 bike, while only losing little if any speed down the straight. Basically power to weight ratio is what counts, not whether you get your knee down everytime.
Yep exactly, even on the race track getting your knee down isn't necessary. I hardly ever get it down and that doesn't stop me from passing all the guys that do it at every corner. I occasionally get it down,but seldomly is intentional. All about looks, nothing to do with speed, but can be a product of going fast.