Jay Lawrence TT 2019

[sidecar bob]

https://www.ukclubsport.com/kiwi-lawrence-set-for-tt-debut-with-buildbase-suzuki-and-carl-cox/
I will continue to update this thread from location as things progress.

[jellywrestler]

be great to see some onboard footage of practice week as he progresses.

[rustys]

Thanks for the update Steve, best of luck to you "J" and the team, enjoy. Thats a suprise did not know it was with the "Buildbase" Team WoW!!!:niceone: We will be watching progress, but would love to be back there again, hope the weather stays kind.

[onearmedbandit]

Looking forward to reports on his progress. Have a blast Jay!

[unstuck]

Good luck dude, put on an awesome display last labor weekend in greymouth. 🤘🤘

[sidecar bob]

The Buildbase Gsxr will be doing duty at the bsb round at Donington this weekend.
As a result we have managed to source a freshly built (by team Hawk buildbase) Gsxr1000 superstock bike from Kevin Cringle of Baldrine I.O.M for first practice. The guy is a total legend & has lent us his virtually brand new bike & given us acces to his workshop in his absence to use as we wish.
We also have Damon Rees staying with us.
Great people, great times

[Madness]

Good luck Jay.

I knew you had the goods the day you passed me on the left, around a bend in the 'rapa on a Hyosung Aquila 650 with a pillion onboard while I was on my 1100.

[Temporary-Kiwi]

from what I've seen , he will go well at the island, makes me wish I was 30 years younger !, best wishes for you Jay

[sidecar bob]

Good luck Jay.

I knew you had the goods the day you passed me on the left, around a bend in the 'rapa on a Hyosung Aquila 650 with a pillion onboard while I was on my 1100.

Been out cutting a couple of refresher laps in the £500 E46 BMW 328i manual from 4am this morning with Daniel Mettam on board, he's running a 600 here. The BMW seems to have one out of balance wheel at 120mph over the mountain.
Jay had a Aquilla 650? I'm going to give him shit about that when he emerges:facepalm:

[sidecar bob]

from what I've seen , he will go well at the island, makes me wish I was 30 years younger !, best wishes for you Jay

He has a fantastic team behind him, a great bike & knows the course to the point where he can narrate corners, bumps, jumps & relevant waypoints 1 km ahead. The hardest part is digesting what he's saying & checking it one KM Later as we arrive there constantly for 75 miles (two laps) at a time of day where I'd usually be in bed for another three hours.:yawn:
We are at well over 50 dawn or late night car laps & won't stop doing that until he gets on the bike.

[onearmedbandit]

Cheers for the updates!

[jellywrestler]

He has a fantastic team behind him, a great bike & knows the course to the point where he can narrate corners, bumps, jumps & relevant waypoints 1 km ahead. The hardest part is digesting what he's saying & checking it one KM Later as we arrive there constantly for 75 miles (two laps) at a time of day where I'd usually be in bed for another three hours.:yawn:
We are at well over 50 dawn or late night car laps & won't stop doing that until he gets on the bike.

night time low beam is one of the best ways to deal with it once you've done the basic learning, statistically the second time going there is the worse one....

[HenryDorsetCase]

He has a fantastic team behind him, a great bike & knows the course to the point where he can narrate corners, bumps, jumps & relevant waypoints 1 km ahead. The hardest part is digesting what he's saying & checking it one KM Later as we arrive there constantly for 75 miles (two laps) at a time of day where I'd usually be in bed for another three hours.:yawn:
We are at well over 50 dawn or late night car laps & won't stop doing that until he gets on the bike.

Keep us posted, and best of luck for the racing

[Madness]

Jay had a Aquilla 650? I'm going to give him shit about that when he emerges:facepalm:

It was a TSS demo bike, he was probably still at school. I’m happy that only he & Glenn Skatchill gave me the learn on my ZZR1100, the latter onboard a 150. I got fresh oil put in my E61 530i today, cunt complained he couldn’t find the dipstick.

[sidecar bob]

Spent most of today at the workshop preparing the Kevin Cringle owned super stock bike for a test session at Jurby tomorrow afternoon before it heads off down Bray hill on Saturday afternoon.
I was quite surprised to fill an A4 page with notes of bits & bobs that needed attending to on it.
Had the company of the Cringle brothers working alongside me on a CBR600 & 675 Daytona, both with fairly good pedigree.
I have shed envy once again, five seperate work bays, all well equipped.

[Grumph]

Yeah, shed's nice. Do they hire out bays during the race periods ? Always been hard to find good workshop space I hear.

The practise bike is a rehearsal for when you get your hands on the race one, LOl. The same list will be your start point for that.
Be interesting to hear the diffence in setup from as received Donington to IOM road settings....

Does the race bike have a big tank ? Is that legal under the SS rules ?

[sidecar bob]

The workbays are for the bikes they own, i counted 30 in one room. Id guess he would let people use them & also leave the shirt off his back lying around for you to use as well.
The GSXR has around a 17 litre tank, were working on 12 per lap which means no flying laps on saturday as each lap will be a refuel.
The bike being used for the TT will have a two lap tank so i guess it must be legal.
Re the list, it wasnt stuff that needed altering for TT practice, mainly it was things that wern't up to the standard of assembly required to go for a 37 mile hoon at full noise.

[Grumph]

The workbays are for the bikes they own, i counted 30 in one room. Id guess he would let people use them & also leave the shirt off his back lying around for you to use as well.
The GSXR has around a 17 litre tank, were working on 12 per lap which means no flying laps on saturday as each lap will be a refuel.
The bike being used for the TT will have a two lap tank so i guess it must be legal.
Re the list, it wasnt stuff that needed altering for TT practice, mainly it was things that wern't up to the standard of assembly required to go for a 37 mile hoon at full noise.

Bet the katana taught you a shitload about that, LOL.

[sidecar bob]

Bet the katana taught you a shitload about that, LOL.

We can only discuss that via the PM system:shutup:

[roogazza]

I fancied having a go at the TT as a young fella but hell ,glad I didn't.
Dave Hiscock learnt the road in 3 or 4 sections I think he said ? He did great first time.
He offered me to go with him in 1981,but by then I had a Police career and 3 kids. He took Bill Biber as spanner man.

I think some people spend a life time learning the road.
I hope young Jay keeps a bit in reserve,good luck. :shifty::mellow:

[F5 Dave]

Hopefully the climbing and preparation pays off with a safe swift ride.

[sidecar bob]

Hopefully the climbing and preparation pays off with a safe swift ride.

I am very confident in his course knowledge, having been the only person that has personally tested his work live repeatedly without failure.
I'm also confident in the bike he's riding, that still leaves room for what I call "the third thing" unexpected involvement in the misfortune of another party, wether that be a bike ahead rodding itself & covering the course in oil, or wildlife entering the course Etc.
Theses are the things we have no control of.
I'll post an update once we get home from Jurby tonight.

[sidecar bob]

We completed 15 laps, 33 miles at Jurby tonight, the conditions were great.
The bike needs numbers & new tyres & it's ready to go.

[HenryDorsetCase]

That shot of the bike at full noise is really good.

Also I am well impressed with that motorhome.

[rustys]

Weathers looking great Steve, seems like yesterday we were there, and all the best from us all at the Vic Club.

[tigertim20]

bloody good to see him tackling it.

Just remind him no wheelies after he crosses the finish line . . .:facepalm::innocent:

[sidecar bob]

That shot of the bike at full noise is really good.

Also I am well impressed with that motorhome.
I should give credit to Tracey's Pics for that one https://m.facebook.com/traceyspics15/
The motor home belongs to old mate Kev that owns the bike, it's around one third garage in the back, built on a V8 International chassis. Has double pop out's at the front, so it's like an apartment inside.

[sidecar bob]

bloody good to see him tackling it.

Just remind him no wheelies after he crosses the finish line . . .:facepalm::innocent:

Will do. We want him to win the bronze replica, not the giant pink dildo.:facepalm:

[sidecar bob]

Bumped into Darren Gilpin from Team Honda going the other way in the paddock.
$12,000 worth of brand new genuine Honda long range superbike tank in hand.
Zoom in & you will see the welds along the top edge.

[Grumph]

It's nice but shit the price....Picking up my bucket tank on Tuesday. I'll post pics of the NZ$120 worth of welding.
Without seeing it, I'm pretty sure it'll match that one for quality.

I'm sure there are people around the IOM paddock who haven't paid that much for big tanks.

[sidecar bob]

It's nice but shit the price....Picking up my bucket tank on Tuesday. I'll post pics of the NZ$120 worth of welding.
Without seeing it, I'm pretty sure it'll match that one for quality.

I'm sure there are people around the IOM paddock who haven't paid that much for big tanks.

I got a sidecar tank made for $250, even if this one was ten times harder to make its still too expensive.
Got to pay Marquez with something I guess.

[sidecar bob]

Tonights practice cancelled due to rain.
Will be running early afternoon tomorrow weather permitting.

[Kickaha]

Wish Jay the best of luck and give him a big kiss for me

[husaberg]

I got a sidecar tank made for $250, even if this one was ten times harder to make its still too expensive.
Got to pay Marquez with something I guess.

Pretty sure he gets paid in pesos.
I think its a fair bit harder to get a ride if you were not feed Paella as a kid.
Oddly Most the Honda money seems to come from the spanish Repsol at the moment:shifty:


12K and half the tank isnt painted and they didnt even smooth off the top welds :)
Beautiful though, i would have suspected it was made in a country where they have vinegar on their chips rather than soy sauce on their noodles though.

[sidecar bob]

Did four laps this afternoon before the rear tyre had enough.
119mph from a standing start on the first lap.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2264631183604505&id=1504150802985884
Maybe someone smarter than me can copy & paste that to kb.

[rustys]

Thats a great start, well done Jay, Steve and the Team, we really appreciate and look forward to your updates, may the sun keep on shining:sunny::sunny::niceone::niceone:

[Reckless]

All the Best guys - safe and fast :)

[husaberg]

Did four laps this afternoon before the rear tyre had enough.
119mph from a standing start on the first lap.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2264631183604505&id=1504150802985884
Maybe someone smarter than me can copy & paste that to kb.
............................

Jay Lawrence Racing is with Jay Lawrence and Daniel Mettam.
13 hrs ·
First session of the 2019 #IOMTT is complete! The weather came right just in time, but the wind was still strong across the mountain. Although Jay is not considered a newcomer because of his stint on the Team Classic Suzuki Katana at the 2018 Classic TT, he was allowed to practice as a newcomer due to only completing 9 laps of the course prior to this event.
Tonight we managed four laps in total - one speed controlled lap behind the legendary Milky Quayle, then three more laps at speed. We ended the session with 122.09mph from a standing start.
We have to say a massive thank you to Kevin and Ryan Cringle who were kind enough to loan their Superstock GSXR1000 while the Buildbase Suzuki bikes were still working hard at Donington Park. Along with James Powell and my right-hand man Steve Bryan, they donated their time, effort (and equipment) to make everything run smoothly today.
As always, thanks to Carl Cox Motorsport, TSS Motorcycles, Motorcycling New Zealand Inc, and everyone else who is sending messages of support from all around the world. A special thanks goes out to husaberg who took the 3 minutes and showed his 93 year old grandmother how to copy and post the text off the Facebook page onto KB


SUZUKI
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Kiwi newcomer Jay Lawrence will be making his debut at the 2019 Isle of Man TT Races fuelled by Monster Energy under the Buildbase Suzuki banner, with Carl Cox Motorsport support.
Lawrence joins an eclectic group of supported riders for this year’s races, where Carl will also bring the event to a close with a special show in the paddock after the Dunlop Senior TT Race.

After his introduction to the Isle of Man course at the Classic TT Races presented by Bennetts last year, the Wellington rider is making the step up to the prestigious main event; riding Suzuki GSX-R1000 machinery in the Superbike and Superstock classes.

The link with Suzuki is strong for Lawrence, having won the legendary Cemetery Circuit races in New Zealand on a GSX-R and riding a Suzuki Katana prepared by Team Classic Suzuki at last year’s Classic TT. After only a few laps of practice, the Kiwi rider logged 21st in the RST Classic TT Superbike Race. As big fans of the competitive classic racing scene, Carl Cox Motorsport have also supported riders and teams at the Philip Island Classic for several years with a special XR69.

With the partnership with Bennetts Suzuki announced today, at the start of the North West 200 International, Jay and Carl Cox Motorsport Manager Gavin Sokolich have travelled over to get to know the renowned squad before testing ahead of the TT.

Carl Cox Motorsport have a strong stable of supported riders lined up for this year’s Road Racing season, supporting Michael Dunlop and his MD Racing effort, the Milenco Padgetts team of Conor Cummins and Davey Todd, sidecar legend David Molyneux and Harry Payne, plus fellow sidecar competitors Greg Lambert and Ben McBride.

Carl Cox continues to express his love for all things TT related, being in attendance at the event throughout race week before closing this year’s event, alongside Gavin Sokolich on Friday 7th June in a sold out show in the VIP hospitality unit in the TT paddock.

Jay Lawrence explained: “It was great to get those first laps at the Island under my belt with Team Classic Suzuki but now it’s the real deal. I have to thank Carl Cox again for supporting me and the fantastic opportunity we have with Buildbase Suzuki / Hawk Racing who have such a strong TT pedigree. I’m looking forward to getting to know them better and spin some laps, before we head across to the Island in a few weeks time. I’ve always loved street courses like the Cemetery Circuit back in NZ but of course the TT is the absolute pinnacle for me and many road racers. I’m under no illusion as to the size of the learning curve needed and the strength of the competition… but we have to start somewhere!”

Steve Hicken, Buildbase Suzuki team manager added: “It’s a different approach to the TT for us this year, but something we’re looking forward to all the same. Jay’s got an impressive CV, Suzuki GSX-R1000R experience, and has already completed laps of the TT course so we’re not starting from scratch. He’s going to be coming in with his own goals, and if we can help him have a safe couple of weeks and improve his pace every time he goes out, it’ll be a successful couple of weeks.”

Carl Cox commented: “We are big fans of the TT and the warriors that take it on every year, so it’s great to be able to support Jay, who we’ve enjoyed working with for many years in New Zealand. He has put in his homework and had a first run out at last year’s Classic TT but this will be a very different proposition and we thank Buildbase Suzuki / Hawk Racing for this opportunity.”
Find out more about the team on their official website and keep up to date with the action on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram.
Tickets for the 2019 events are now on sale via the Official iomttraces.com website including Official Grandstand Tickets, VIP Hospitality Experiences, and Official Entertainment Events. You can stay up to date with all the latest TT news by subscribing to the Official Isle of Man TT Races Newsletter

[sidecar bob]

Thanks must go to Husa, who is clearly posting from a much larger device than me & has a bit more time on his hands currently.:msn-wink:

[sidecar bob]

The Hawk Buildbase guys have turned up with their beautifully prepared superstock bike today.
Unfortunately tonight's practice was cancelled due to a downpour near start time.

[Grumph]

25 X 3mm alloy strip....the bike builders friend. Even at this level.

[Drew]

Things going not great for Daniel.

Heal up fast that man.

[sidecar bob]

Things going not great for Daniel.

Heal up fast that man.

Yeah, it wasn't really my thing to mention, but although his campaign is over for this year he's going to be ok.

[sidecar bob]

25 X 3mm alloy strip....the bike builders friend. Even at this level.

I think its actually inch by 1/8th:innocent:

[Grumph]

I think its actually inch by 1/8th:innocent:

Poms and their obsolete measuring systems. I blame Brexit.

[swarfie]

Bumped into Darren Gilpin from Team Honda going the other way in the paddock.
$12,000 worth of brand new genuine Honda long range superbike tank in hand.
Zoom in & you will see the welds along the top edge.

12K!!!!...holy shitballs, I'm living in the wrong country.

Glad to hear Daniel will be okay.

[sidecar bob]

Four laps on the Buildbase superstock tonight. 122.5 mph.

[onearmedbandit]

Great pic. Loving the updates both here and on Jay's FB pages.

[sidecar bob]

Didnt get a run yesterday due to rain all day.
May get out today, no rain at mo but fog on the mountain currently.
Heres a pic from Tuesday rounding K tree.
Edit, todays afternoon session canned.

[nodrog]

Maybe they should look at holding the TT in the summertime?

[SaferRides]

Maybe they should look at holding the TT in the summertime?
It's not so much the time of year, it's more to do with the the IoM being a lump of rock stuck in the middle of the Irish Sea.

[sidecar bob]

Maybe they should look at holding the TT in the summertime?

Not only do the seasons work in reverse, & the water swirls the other way when you pull the bath plug, apparently it's also summer at the mo.
No practice again today, same reason.
Was in Northern Ireland two weeks ago & their summer, day on day was colder than our winter back home.

[SaferRides]

No qualifying again on Friday. I expect the race schedule will be changed.

[F5 Dave]

Your 2nd fact is actually a myth, largely perpetuated by The Simpsons. I was disappointed as I used the Chrysalis effect to explain any number of unlikely events for giggles. Wikipedia it.

[jellywrestler]

Not only do the seasons work in reverse, & the water swirls the other way when you pull the bath plug, apparently it's also summer at the mo.
No practice again today, same reason.
Was in Northern Ireland two weeks ago & their summer, day on day was colder than our winter back home.

many years ago the warehouse sold some sundials, the keen took them home mixed up some cement and mortar and waited till high noon on a sunny day and set them down. it seems they had been sold northern hemisphere ones where the sun goes the other way so were only right twice a day....

[Grumph]

many years ago the warehouse sold some sundials, the keen took them home mixed up some cement and mortar and waited till high noon on a sunny day and set them down. it seems they had been sold northern hemisphere ones where the sun goes the other way so were only right twice a day....

Accepting for the moment your premise that the sun goes the other way, surely you mean only right once a day.
Day being the crucial word in sundial tech...

[F5 Dave]

Also, and this might be news, but the Sun stays largely where it is, at least in comparison to the Earth.

[sidecar bob]

Your 2nd fact is actually a myth, largely perpetuated by The Simpsons. I was disappointed as I used the Chrysalis effect to explain any number of unlikely events for giggles. Wikipedia it.

So is my first fact, but I once did hear an adult ask if that was the case, so thought it wrong not to perpetuate that one too.
I was also wrong about summer, that starts here tomorrow.
Another day of wait & see, ending in cancellation due to high winds, poor visibility & a diesel spill all the way through Glen Helen.:facepalm:

[jellywrestler]

, & the water swirls the other way when you pull the bath plug, . you actually use a bath?

[jellywrestler]

a diesel spill all the way through Glen Helen.:facepalm: wonder if they're better at cleaning up than they do at ruapuna?
the tt is at the start of the summer and the GP at the end, this is partly to stretch out the tourise season, statistically how much better chances of good weather are there in the middle of summer?

[roogazza]

So is my first fact, but I once did hear an adult ask if that was the case, so thought it wrong not to perpetuate that one too.
I was also wrong about summer, that starts here tomorrow.
Another day of wait & see, ending in cancellation due to high winds, poor visibility & a diesel spill all the way through Glen Helen.:facepalm:

Must be a bastard with the poxy weather,but to add a diesel spill !!!! imagine that !
Hey, I've got pics of Hailwood and Read doing the TT in sunshine so it must happen every now and then ?lol.
Someone mentioned the other young fella Daniel Methol,(spelling?). lol :rolleyes:
Did he have an off and is he ok ?

[Ulsterkiwi]

It's not so much the time of year, it's more to do with the the IoM being a lump of rock stuck in the middle of the Irish Sea.

as opposed to NZ which is a rock stuck in the not quite middle of the Pacific.....

[F5 Dave]

So is my first fact, but I once did hear an adult ask if that was the case, so thought it wrong not to perpetuate that one too.
I was also wrong about summer, that starts here tomorrow.
Another day of wait & see, ending in cancellation due to high winds, poor visibility & a diesel spill all the way through Glen Helen.:facepalm:
Haha I just reread that sorry didn't pick that up for its literal meaning.

And how the fuck do they get diesel on the track the dopey buggers? Reversing milk floats etc, do the public not understand the gravity of being at least,. . . well, screw it, any time of the year on a road?

[Ulsterkiwi]

Not only do the seasons work in reverse, & the water swirls the other way when you pull the bath plug, apparently it's also summer at the mo.
No practice again today, same reason.
Was in Northern Ireland two weeks ago & their summer, day on day was colder than our winter back home.

Which is why I and many of my whānau have made our way here.
You do understand the only difference between a Norn Iron winter and summer is that the rain is a wee bit warmer in summer? You don't get a sun tan there, you just go a wee bit rusty.
They filmed Winterfell there for a reason.....

[jellywrestler]

Someone mentioned the other young fella Daniel Methol,(spelling?). lol :rolleyes:
Did he have an off and is he ok ?

he hasn't stated anything public so expect that's how he prefers it maybe

[Grumph]

And how the fuck do they get diesel on the track the dopey buggers? Reversing milk floats etc, do the public not understand the gravity of being at least,. . . well, screw it, any time of the year on a road?

I'd suggest two possibilities. All the HT movements done in the wee sma' hours so as to free up the roads in daylight. And someone driving a diesel doing track recce and having an oopsie. From what I read, wiping a sump off on high speed bumps with the big bikes isn't unknown now either. More for the marshals to watch for...

[Grumph]

he hasn't stated anything public so expect that's how he prefers it maybe

It's been written up on one of the manx websites as "not serious" injury. He may have his own opinion of course.

[sidecar bob]

It's been written up on one of the manx websites as "not serious" injury. He may have his own opinion of course.

Had a brief catch up with Dan a couple of nights ago at the paddock.
He's getting around on sticks & said he could be riding again in a week.
However the bike he was on won't be going far, probably the nearest skip.

[sidecar bob]

I'd suggest two possibilities. All the HT movements done in the wee sma' hours so as to free up the roads in daylight. And someone driving a diesel doing track recce and having an oopsie. From what I read, wiping a sump off on high speed bumps with the big bikes isn't unknown now either. More for the marshals to watch for...

It's just a regular busy main route that I doubt the locals even think about being a race course.
I lived on the course opposite Greeba Castle for the Manx TT last year & The truck & agricultural machinery movements are frequent & constant around the Island.

[Drew]

he hasn't stated anything public so expect that's how he prefers it maybe

Yes he has. He posted that he's coming out of hospital after an incident, and he should make a full recovery.

The crash was glossed over on the radio.

[jellywrestler]

Yes he has. He posted that he's coming out of hospital after an incident, and he should make a full recovery.

The crash was glossed over on the radio.

yeah, mt everest is where all the carnage is at the moment...

[jellywrestler]

It's just a regular busy main route that I doubt the locals even think about being a race course.
I lived on the course opposite Greeba Castle for the Manx TT last year & The truck & agricultural machinery movements are frequent & constant around the Island.

the year i was there the minister of transport drove his truck onto the course while competitors were riding....., the wrong way too

[sidecar bob]

After another lay day due to weather they finally got a run this afternoon.
Jay has superstock start position 25 at 122.5mph.
It's game on early tomorrow weather permitting, which is looking promising.

[jellywrestler]

where on earth are the results, can't see anything on tt website?

[rustys]

where on earth are the results, can't see anything on tt website?
Dr Google
tt live timing.

[jellywrestler]

Dr Google
tt live timing.

fucking disgusting cunts can't even list the passengers name, i'm rarely pissed of but am with this.

[sidecar bob]

First superbike race. Red flagged at start of 3rd lap due to incident at Snugbourough, "fire & explosion" apparently.
Jay best time 124.03 finish pos 21st.
Result called. Hickman first, Harrison second, Cummins third.

[jellywrestler]

First superbike race. Red flagged at start of 3rd lap due to incident at Snugbourough, "fire & explosion" apparently.
Jay best time 124.03 finish pos 21st.
Result called. Hickman first, Harrison second, Cummins third.

watched it live, appreciate the updates Steve.

[sidecar bob]

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/motor-racing/daley-mathison-dead-isle-of-man-tt-crash-latest-updates-death-rst-superbike-race-red-flag-a8941996.html

[roogazza]

Motorcycle racer Daley Mathison becomes 259th killed on world's deadliest race course

Daley Mathison was killed Monday when he crashed his motorcycle at an estimated 130 mph during the Isle of Man TT races, becoming the 259th contestant killed on the Irish Sea island?s 38-mile-long Snaefell Mountain Course. He was 27....

[jellywrestler]

Motorcycle racer Daley Mathison becomes 259th killed on world's deadliest race course

Daley Mathison was killed Monday when he crashed his motorcycle at an estimated 130 mph during the Isle of Man TT races, becoming the 259th contestant killed on the Irish Sea island?s 38-mile-long Snaefell Mountain Course. He was 27....

your fingers would be sore copying and pasting on the mt everest site i bet.

[SaferRides]

your fingers would be sore copying and pasting on the mt everest site i bet.The number of deaths is about the same for both.

[jellywrestler]

The number of deaths is about the same for both.

no it isn't at all

[SaferRides]

no it isn't at all308 for Everest since 1922

258 on the mountain course in total.

[HenryDorsetCase]

no it isn't at all

I just put down my sandwich and googled that. The number of ppl killed attempting to summit Everest is north of 300 according to Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_who_died_climbing_Mount_Everest

and 259 at the TT.

Not sure how you would compare the two - perhaps deaths per kilometre travelled vs deaths per metre ascended? (though life becomes significantly more dangerous above 8000m)

The TT has been going a LOT longer than people have been climbing Everest though so deaths/yr?

Not sure that they really are comparable in any fair way.

RIP Daley

[jellywrestler]

308 for Everest since 1922

258 on the mountain course in total.

throwing numbers as it shows simply how uninformed you are.
the tt has been going since 1907 for a starter
the ratio of climbers who climb everest versus deaths is vastly different than that of the TT quite simply, you sound like the sort of person who reads everything in the media and doesn't once think that the truth's been twisted just a little.

[pritch]

Lies, damned lies and statistics, and all that. Just as well the TT doesn't include the deaths from Mad Sunday each year, The TT course open and so are the pubs. The worlds fastest pub crawl?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Lies, damned lies and statistics, and all that. Just as well the TT doesn't include the deaths from Mad Sunday each year, The TT course open and so are the pubs. The worlds fastest pub crawl?

I've often thought that would be the one day a year when you would stay off your bike and in the boozer because there would be a lot of amped up McGuinness wannabes out on the road that day......

[Dadpole]

I noted that TV news did a bit on the TT death. The only time the IOM TT will ever mentioned of course...

[Laava]

10 spectators died the year I went and no racers. Mostly boozed up germans on the wrong side of the road was the popular opinion at the time.

[jellywrestler]

I've often thought that would be the one day a year when you would stay off your bike and in the boozer because there would be a lot of amped up McGuinness wannabes out on the road that day......

about 2-5 in the arvo is refferred to as lager louts time....

[sidecar bob]

Pretty piss poor that the NZ news media can't report on a kiwi rider competing at TT that's doing ok, but are all over it when a English guy has a nasty accident.
My suggestion to anyone with an opinion about the place is to go there & have a proper look for yourself & make an informed decision based on personal expierence, rather than regurgitating what you think you know.
Several years ago I had an opinion about the place that turned out to be wildly off the mark.

[buggerit]

Motorcycle racer Daley Mathison becomes 259th killed on world's deadliest race course

Daley Mathison was killed Monday when he crashed his motorcycle at an estimated 130 mph during the Isle of Man TT races, becoming the 259th contestant killed on the Irish Sea island?s 38-mile-long Snaefell Mountain Course. He was 27....

And the only time motorcycle racing ever gets any coverage om ONE sport:angry:

[SaferRides]

Pretty piss poor that the NZ news media can't report on a kiwi rider competing at TT that's doing ok, but are all over it when a English guy has a nasty accident.
My suggestion to anyone with an opinion about the place is to go there & have a proper look for yourself & make an informed decision based on personal expierence, rather than regurgitating what you think you know.
Several years ago I had an opinion about the place that turned out to be wildly off the mark.

I don?t have an opinion on the TT. All I know is that riders die there most years.

I still watch it though.

[SaferRides]

I just put down my sandwich and googled that. The number of ppl killed attempting to summit Everest is north of 300 according to Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_who_died_climbing_Mount_Everest

and 259 at the TT.

Not sure how you would compare the two - perhaps deaths per kilometre travelled vs deaths per metre ascended? (though life becomes significantly more dangerous above 8000m)

The TT has been going a LOT longer than people have been climbing Everest though so deaths/yr?

Not sure that they really are comparable in any fair way.

RIP Daley

The deaths on Everest are from 1922, so 15 years less than the TT.

No, not sure why you?d compare them. I can understand why you?d ride the TT but no idea why you?d want to walk up Everest.

[sidecar bob]

I don?t have an opinion on the TT. All I know is that riders die there most years.

I still watch it though.

And not one of those riders was forced, or felt an obligation to compete. All were there of their own free will.
Im not being a twat about it, its just a fact. Most of the competitors live from one TT to the next like a junkie going for their next fix.
A significant competitor at the TT remarked to me recently, if I die racing, don't feel sorry for me, ive lived more in the last ten years than nearly every person that dies at 90 in a nursing home.
As far as the public harming themselves on the road during TT week, If you have any sort of sense of self preservation, you would avoid the mountain section by any means of transport during that time.
I discovered a back road from Sulby to Brandywell & spent many a fun hour going up the narrow mountain road in a tiny Daihatsu 4wd to watch the shenanigans from a safe distance, returning the same way.

[jellywrestler]

Pretty piss poor that the NZ news media can't report on a kiwi rider competing at TT that's doing ok, but are all over it when a English guy has a nasty accident.
.

headlines are click bait, if it bleeds it leads basically....

[scott411]

Pretty piss poor that the NZ news media can't report on a kiwi rider competing at TT that's doing ok, but are all over it when a English guy has a nasty accident.
My suggestion to anyone with an opinion about the place is to go there & have a proper look for yourself & make an informed decision based on personal expierence, rather than regurgitating what you think you know.
Several years ago I had an opinion about the place that turned out to be wildly off the mark.

unfortunately , if it bleeds, it leads,

[Laava]

unfortunately , if it bleeds, it leads,
I also concur!

[Southern scratcher]

I noted that TV news did a bit on the TT death. The only time the IOM TT will ever mentioned of course...
Yes this pissed me off too. Never mentioned who actually won the race.



My suggestion to anyone with an opinion about the place is to go there & have a proper look for yourself & make an informed decision based on personal experience, rather than regurgitating what you think you know.
Several years ago I had an opinion about the place that turned out to be wildly off the mark.

+1 I've only been once but it was a fantastic experience and it now helps me sort the wheat from the chaff when people comment on the event. And there's a lot of chaff out there.

[sidecar bob]

Got the superstock race out of the way today.
Finished 17th & did a 125.03.
125 was the unspoken goal, so fairly happy with the result.
Still have the superbike & senior to go if the weather holds, which only a brave man would bet on with the way its been.

[rustys]

Well done to Jay and the Team, thats a fantastic effort for the amount of laps he has done, and the frustration of the conditions you are dealing with at the moment. Best of luck with the next few days.:sunny::sunny::sunny::sunny: hoping fingers crossed.

[jellywrestler]

i wonder why they had to do their pit stop at lap one, usually it's been the riders choice and has played a big part in race tactics, maybe safety as they've had less practice, then everyones roughly at the same pace?

[rustys]

i wonder why they had to do their pit stop at lap one, usually it's been the riders choice and has played a big part in race tactics, maybe safety as they've had less practice, then everyones roughly at the same pace?

I think because they have lost so much time due to weather over the last two weeks, they made a big push yesterday to get the show moving, reducing the number of laps for all classes, and got more into yesterday than they have ever done before, well done to the organisers who have had some headaches this year thats for sure.

[sidecar bob]

i wonder why they had to do their pit stop at lap one, usually it's been the riders choice and has played a big part in race tactics, maybe safety as they've had less practice, then everyones roughly at the same pace?

The race was reduced to three laps, in the usual 4 lap per the only time they could pit was end of second lap. I suspect it was done so nobody was pulling out in front of someone on a flyer.

[jellywrestler]

The race was reduced to three laps, in the usual 4 lap per the only time they could pit was end of second lap. I suspect it was done so nobody was pulling out in front of someone on a flyer.

most of the normal three lappers have a stop, of course if you stop on lap one then you're possibly weaving through slower riders who haven't stopped so given that they were doing five races in a day, the first time in history, they probably opted to keep it flowing that bit safer.
joey dunlop famously won one of his twenty six races by opting to pit a lap later as he had an inkling that the weather was turning to custard and when the race was redflagged he had an advantage that wouls have been lost in the pits. If they've done this once and it is a safer way maybe that's the future...., good luck today team

[sidecar bob]

Michael Dunlop won the lightweight yesterday.
The 50th TT win for the Dunlop family.
Prepping for the Senior now.
Due out in around 20 minutes.

[jellywrestler]

The 50th TT win for the Dunlop family.


wow, that's something i never heard

[jellywrestler]

so Peter hickman wanted to use his hybrid superstock bike he won the first race on but it appears it was pulled right to bits to check its legality, which is normal procedure, and they didn't have enough time to get it together again in time.
question is why couldn't he request an engine seal and have it checked after the senior TT???? it's been done here before
just curious

[SaferRides]

so Peter hickman wanted to use his hybrid superstock bike he won the first race on but it appears it was pulled right to bits to check its legality, which is normal procedure, and they didn't have enough time to get it together again in time.
question is why couldn't he request an engine seal and have it checked after the senior TT???? it's been done here before
just curiousEven more bizarre as the engines come from BMW ready to race, so they are used for the specified distance and sent back.

Sounds like another team had a whinge.

[jellywrestler]

Even more bizarre as the engines come from BMW ready to race, so they are used for the specified distance and sent back.

Sounds like another team had a whinge.

i've no problem with tech checks, they're needed and we should have more here, but if it means they can't put it back together in time then the option of a seal should be there, then if it's stripped after it;s not needed and found non compliant they lose points. i was at the tt and we had ten stock bikes, we had an acu rep there 100% of the time the workshop was open to supervise,

[SaferRides]

i've no problem with tech checks, they're needed and we should have more here, but if it means they can't put it back together in time then the option of a seal should be there, then if it's stripped after it;s not needed and found non compliant they lose points. i was at the tt and we had ten stock bikes, we had an acu rep there 100% of the time the workshop was open to supervise,Exactly, and the team probably didn't even have parts and tools to reassemble the engine.

There was something similar a few years ago with one of Hutchy's bikes. As you say, they should leave the engines until afterwards. Can you imagine this happening at a MotoGP on a Friday?

[Grumph]

Exactly, and the team probably didn't even have parts and tools to reassemble the engine.

There was something similar a few years ago with one of Hutchy's bikes. As you say, they should leave the engines until afterwards. Can you imagine this happening at a MotoGP on a Friday?

The TT is not a MotoGP. It's over a much longer period and usually there is time to do these things. This year is an exception. As far as leaving the engines till afterwards - not really practical, there are post TT meetings to get to urgently.

If the Supp regs say the engine must be stripped, the teams know what they have to do. And would usually have the time to do it.
That said, I'm a little surprised they didn't simply slide in a fresh engine. Even given the NW200 usage, they didn't get enough practise to wear out all their stock, surely ?

[SaferRides]

The TT is not a MotoGP. It's over a much longer period and usually there is time to do these things. This year is an exception. As far as leaving the engines till afterwards - not really practical, there are post TT meetings to get to urgently.

If the Supp regs say the engine must be stripped, the teams know what they have to do. And would usually have the time to do it.
That said, I'm a little surprised they didn't simply slide in a fresh engine. Even given the NW200 usage, they didn't get enough practise to wear out all their stock, surely ?Yes, but I expect they'd have to use the same engine as had been checked, otherwise it would open the door to cheating.

As I said, the issue is that no one works on BMW engines - they are prepped at the factory. Hickman's team probably don't even have the gaskets to put it back together.

[sidecar bob]

Yes, but I expect they'd have to use the same engine as had been checked, otherwise it would open the door to cheating.

As I said, the issue is that no one works on BMW engines - they are prepped at the factory. Hickman's team probably don't even have the gaskets to put it back together.

You are pretty well spot on.
In Hickys case, the engines come from BMW brand new & complete & do around 4000 race km, then go back to BMW For evaluation.
They can get different versions or spec of engines from BMW.
I suspect that BMW would take a dim view of people outside the factory stripping them down & putting them back together willy nilly during their life cycle.

[sidecar bob]

Got the six lap senior over the line without incident, won by Dean Harrison on the Silicone Engineering Kawasaki.
The magic 125mph didn't quite pop up again.
Jay came home & had a sleep & when he woke up last evening his first words were " I can't race again today" of course there were no more races, just a fantastic Carl Cox party to attend at the grandstand. The man's beats really are Quite awesome & the reason for his massive popularity is clear once you hear his music live.
The last set he played, paid tribute to Keith Flint, Prodigy front man, friend of Carl's & owner of team Traction Control, that competed at the TT, who passed away in March.
The Hawk Buildbase team, Steve Hicken & Juan (son of sidecar ace Ben Birchall) are great guys to have on side. Humble, hard working perfectionists, that always had the bike prepared spot on. Steve Hicken's suspension Knowledge is in a class of its own & legendary throughout the paddock not that he would ever tell you himself, it was Michael Dunlop that told me that. He was able to deliver a perfect set up based on rider feedback & telemetry.
All we have left to do now is return by ferry to Heysham, drive over to Peter Hickman's place to stay a night, then drive the motorhome/transporter to the storage building four hours away, spend a couple of nights in London having a poke around while my wife attends the Spice Girls concert at Wembly with her friend from Holland.
I don't really want to think about the bit after that, which involves two full days in transit returning to NZ.

[SaferRides]

I've just watched the Senior. So all that BS may have cost Hicky the race, but who knows. Not the drama of last year but no one died.

And MD did an interview!

[sidecar bob]

I've just watched the Senior. So all that BS may have cost Hicky the race, but who knows. Not the drama of last year but no one died.

And MD did an interview!

Yeah mate, Daley Matheison died in first practice.
They were right next to us & continued to soldier on running Davey Todd's bike.
You wouldnt have even known it had happened but for the growing pile of flowers & cards on their outside table.

[SaferRides]

Yeah mate, Daley Matheison died in first practice.
They were right next to us & continued to soldier on running Davey Todd's bike.
You wouldnt have even known it had happened but for the growing pile of flowers & cards on their outside table.Sorry, I meant during the Senior race. I am very aware that Daley Mathison died, but I thought it was in the Superbike race?

[sidecar bob]

Visiting the Hickman race shop watching the masters at work prepping the new BMW for BSB this weekend.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Thanks Steve for the updates I have really enjoyed your insiders view. Glad it went well.

Very interested in the hoo-ha about those engines. I was aware through reading Performance Bikes magazine about the way BMW do that (Michael Rutter and his crew chief have columns and they did a feature recently) but the idea of field stripping it then reassembling it on a deadline does not appeal.

[Grumph]

Thanks Steve for the updates I have really enjoyed your insiders view. Glad it went well.

Very interested in the hoo-ha about those engines. I was aware through reading Performance Bikes magazine about the way BMW do that (Michael Rutter and his crew chief have columns and they did a feature recently) but the idea of field stripping it then reassembling it on a deadline does not appeal.

The stripping of winners and placegetters engines has always been a feature of the IOM. I've got magazines from the 50's and 60's where the condition of engines was reported by witnesses to the stripping. Phil Irving in particular could be very terse. You probably wouldn't have wanted him watching it, LOL.

Getting them back together has sometimes been a problem too. There's a story about the works TTF1 Hondas being reassembled on the boat - on the way to the post TT meeting at Mallory Park. Obviously it was less of a problem when all you had to do was lift the head on a Manx Norton...

Looking at the pic of the latest BMW, the engine would be the easy part....

[sidecar bob]

Spent the last day in UK at Brands watching BSB practice.
The Hickey team are on to the overheating problem with the BMW.
Its rather a complex issue & im sure they are on the right track.
However its probably not a topic for public discussion. Pm u later grumph.
Saw this Triumph in a display.
It was a finalist in a Triumph only custom bike competition.
There's a hint of X75 in it. Maybe just the paint tho.

[steveyb]

Head down to Canterbury and visit my old digs. Nice town.

[JayRacer37]

Thanks all for following along. I don't come on here much these days it must be said, but I see all the original pillars of the community are still around!

[merv]

Thanks all for following along. I don't come on here much these days it must be said, but I see all the original pillars of the community are still around!

Thanks for the presentation the other night at TSS too Jay, that was very enlightening :yes:

sidecar bob is a good lad too keeping us informed that is for sure.