Can Anyone Identify These Wheels

[sidecar bob]

Can anyone identify what brand these wheels are.
They were made around '75 or '76 & may be of English origin.
I thought they were Lester, but the Lester ones are 7 spoke, these are essentially 14 spoke.
Ive google imaged all sorts of different descriptions & turned up nothing.
Over to you guys now.
My money is on husa for the win

[nodrog]

Are you sure some muppet didn't just go dog on some Lester's with a dremel?

[jim.cox]

They look similar to Campagnolo's from an early 80's Ducati

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On second thought, maybe not - the Ducatis all seem to have had 5(10) or 6(12) spokes

[Kickaha]

Are you sure some muppet didn't just go dog on some Lester's with a dremel?

It's what it looks like, maybe they did it "properly" and used a milling machine

[nodrog]

It's what it looks like, maybe they did it "properly" and used a milling machine

Meth, making people mechanics since ages ago...

[husaberg]

Can anyone identify what brand these wheels are.
They were made around '75 or '76 & may be of English origin.
I thought they were Lester, but the Lester ones are 7 spoke, these are essentially 14 spoke.
Ive google imaged all sorts of different descriptions & turned up nothing.
Over to you guys now.
My money is on husa fro the win

Campbray,or alternative spelling Cambray husa for the win.......................

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Shit i gave yas nearly a 12 hour head start

[Grumph]

Lesters with the spokes machined out. What's the finish on the "inside" of the spokes ? Machining marks ?

Edit - yes, I've now seen Husas post - it crossed with mine - and I'm standing by my opinion.

[HenryDorsetCase]

oooooh errrr Missus. Cool F1.

[AllanB]

That Nortons handlebar angle .... what the ....

[husaberg]

That Nortons handlebar angle .... what the ....

Maybe hes a builder las it looks like a wheelbarrow handles, which is co-incidentally the name i often seen used for Arter/Williams Mag wheel G50.
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[sidecar bob]

Well done on the wheels, i had a feeling it wouldnt take long.
I knew the bike was built to its current state near the end of '75 in England, so no suprise the wheels are from Dartford.
Moving along, can anyone identify the fairing?
Ive seen an identical one in a google search on a k2, which means its not a one off.
I will link that pic when im not posting from a tiny device from the back of a moving car.

[husaberg]

Well done on the wheels, i had a feeling it wouldnt take long.
I knew the bike was built to its current state near the end of '75 in England, so no suprise the wheels are from Dartford.
Moving along, can anyone identify the fairing?
Ive seen an identical one in a google search on a k2, which means its not a one off.
I will link that pic when im not posting from a tiny device from the back of a moving car.

I would say read titan but its mounted at the wrong angle? and missing the jetplane nose cone.
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Then again the badge doesn't say that now does it.
On a second look it could also be Rickman
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[nodrog]

What do I win?

[sidecar bob]

What do I win?

Ill give you a special cuddle when i get home.

[sidecar bob]

Here's a couple more pics of different bikes wearing the same fairing from google images.
I still have no idea what brand it is.
Any more suggestions would be welcomed.

[husaberg]

Here's a couple more pics of different bikes wearing the same fairing from google images.
I still have no idea what brand it is.
Any more suggestions would be welcomed.

Well the first pic says rickman.............

[HenryDorsetCase]

Dunstall? though I googled and they dont look quite right neither

[Grumph]

Possibly Dresda. They did a frame kit for the CB750 which was recognised and accepted for production racing - for a while anyway. They offered various fairings for that and for the 750 generally. The one on "your" bike looks like the one on an IOM raced Dresda 750 shown in a mag I've got.

I still stand by the wheels being Lesters - look at the disc, the man had a Black and Decker and wasn't afraid to use it....

[sidecar bob]

Thanks again Husa & all.
I didn't notice the Rickman sticker on the fairing until you pointed it out.
Here it is, you can still buy it new.
http://airtech-streamlining.com/vintage/Rickmancr.htm
It's called a Rickman CR short fairing - Street.

[jellywrestler]

whose the nz rickman agent?

[sidecar bob]

whose the nz rickman agent?


I don't need a fairing, I'm about to own a very nice red one quite soon.:msn-wink:

[sidecar bob]

I've finally stitched a deal together on this bike, which I haven't seen in the flesh for 40 years.
The story goes like this.
When I was a 13 year old, my older brother worked at a mower & chainsaw shop, on the same site that is now occupied by Bayride motorcycles.
He was the apprentice & his foreman was a guy in his late 20's that owned this actual bike. I thought this bike was possibly the coolest bike in the world, if not then very close to it. after I turned 16 he had sold the bike & I can't remember what he rode after that, or if he rode at all, but I approached him to find out where the bike had gone, he had no idea & claimed that he couldn't remember the rego number either. Maybe he just didn't want me to kill myself on it.
At that point I considered it lost & bought a CB750k2 & tried to kill myself on that instead, the crash pics are still around somewhere.
A few years later a guy responded to an ad I had up for a Mazda B1600 I had for sale, It was the same guy that had been the owner of the bike, he bought the ute & once again I quizzed him about the F1, once again a dead end.
Then around four years ago, I logged onto trademe & there was what I thought was the same bike, I asked about the ownership history & sure enough, it was the same bike, which had been beautifully restored by a guy called Roger, from Hastings Honda.
I dropped the ball on that one & the bike disappeared again, but this time I had a rego number from the pics.
I tried to forget about it until recently, when a mate was selling his car yard & I got him to run the plate to see if I could turn up the owner, he gave me a name & I got my wife to have a look for people by that name on Facebook, there was one guy by that name that I thought looked right, so she sent him a message, asking if he had that bike & to contact my phn if he did.
Around a month went by with nothing, I thought that was the end of that again, then one morning I got a txt saying that "yes I do own the bike & it could be for sale"
Meanwhile I had gone to the other side of the world for seven weeks to the TT & so on.
On my return about a week ago we nailed a deal together & Biketranz will be picking it up from Christchurch next week.
I haven't seen the bike for around 40 years, but Roger that restored it assures me that I won't be dissapointed.
Talking to Roger yesterday, he had traced its history to the London Motorcycle show 1975. It was a special, built for the Honda stand at the show & he talked me through all the mods that had been done to it, some not so obvious & quite labour intensive.
He also restored it with hi comp Pistons, a big valve head & a decent cam & by all accounts it goes much better than it stops now.
I can't remember the last time I was looking forward to a bike showing up this much, I believe this is the bike that created the direction my life went in, as far as hobby & lifestyle goes.
Thanks to the people that identified the bits on it. Once the names of the wheels & fairing came up I realised they were stored away in the back of my mind for 40 years & sounded familiar in relation to this bike.
Will post a few more pics when it shows up.
Oh, and a side bonus, classic rego $100 a year.

[jellywrestler]

I've finally stitched a deal together on this bike, which I haven't seen in the flesh for 40 years.
The story goes like this.
When I was a 13 year old, my older brother worked at a mower & chainsaw shop, the same site that is now occupied by Bayride motorcycles.
He was the apprentice & his foreman was a guy in his late 20's that owned this actual bike. I thought this bike was possibly the coolest bike in the world, if not then very close to it. after I turned 16 he had sold the bike & I can't remember what he rode after that, or if he rode at all, but I approached him to find out where the bike had gone, he had no idea & claimed that he couldn't remember the rego number either. Maybe he just didn't want me to kill myself on it.
At that point I considered it lost & bought a CB750k2 & tried to kill myself on that instead, the crash pics are still around somewhere.
A few years later a guy responded to an ad I had up for a Mazda B1600 I had for sale, It was the same guy that had been the owner of the bike, he bought the ute & once again I quizzed him about the F1, once again a dead end.
Then around four years ago, I logged onto trademe & there was what I thought was the same bike, I asked about the ownership history & sure enough, it was the same bike, which had been beautifully restored by a guy called Roger, from Hastings Honda.
I dropped the ball on that one & the bike disappeared again, but this time I had a rego number from the pics.
I tried to forget about it until recently, when a mate was selling his car yard & I got him to run the plate to see if I could turn up the owner, he gave me a name & I got my wife to have a look for people by that name on Facebook, there was one guy by that name that I thought looked right, so she sent him a message, asking if he had that bike & to contact my phn if he did.
Around a month went by with nothing, I thought that was the end of that again,then one morning I got a txt saying that "yes I do own the bike & it could be for sale"
Meanwhile I had gone to the other side of the world for seven weeks to the TT & so on.
On my return about a week ago we nailed a deal together & Biketranz will be picking it up from Christchurch next week.
I haven't seen the bike for around 40 years, but Roger that restored it assures me that I won't be dissapointed.
Talking to Roger yesterday, he had traced its history to the London Motorcycle show 1975. It was a special, built for the show & he talked me through all the mods that had been done to it, some not so obvious & quite labour intensive.
He also restored it with hi comp Pistons, a big valve head & a decent cam & by all accounts it goes much better than it stops now.
I can't remember the last time I was looking forward to a bike showing up this much, I believe this is the bike that created the direction my life went in, as far as hobby & lifestyle goes.
Thanks to the people that identified the bits on it. Once the names of the wheels & fairing came up I realised they were stored away in the back of my mind for 40 years & sounded familiar in relation to this bike.
Will post a few more pics when it shows up.
Oh, and a side bonus, classic rego $100 a year.

there used to be an old SOHC 750 in wanganui called dragula, it was a dream bike, custom built from new, some years later i worked with one barry smith who had built it, and unlike others had brought it new and then hotrodded it rather than crashed it ripped the bits off and called it a streetfighter..., your father in law would remember it, i'd often thought of trying to trace it's whereabouts if it still exists but really don't need another distratction.

[sidecar bob]

I finally landed this bike in Tauranga yesterday thanks to the teamwork of Biketranz.
It's the first time I've seen it for 40 years & is in absolutely stunning condition.
I've removed the pack frame & brackets & the engine bars, they don't go with anything else the bike is about.
Pic is also pre wash & polish.
The bar end mirrors are a bit cheap.
I will be ordering up a pair of these ones shortly.
https://classicpartsltd.com/classic-motorcycle-products/classic-motorcycle-mirrors/halcyon-bar-end-mirrors/830-halcyon-bar-end-mirror.html

[husaberg]

I finally landed this bike in Tauranga yesterday thanks to the teamwork of Biketranz.
It's the first time I've seen it for 40 years & is in absolutely stunning condition.
I've removed the pack frame & brackets & the engine bars, they don't go with anything else the bike is about.
Pic is also pre wash & polish.

it needs the finned inspection caps for the rockers. to match the finned ignition cover pretty sure all the honda four ones were the same size for the rocker caps.
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ps i see casting flash on the inner spokes of the wheels the previous owner was highly skilled with the dremil t replicate that.........:msn-wink:

[sidecar bob]

it needs the finned inspection caps for the rockers. to match the finned ignition cover pretty sure all the honda four ones were the same size for the rocker caps.
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ps i see casting flash on the inner spokes of the wheels the previous owner was highly skilled with the dremil t replicate that.........:msn-wink:

I can see the tappet plugs look standard in the pics, but it has a full set of eight multi finned ones.
Those cambray wheels are amazing quality.
If anyone did such a half arsed job of removing the flash these days they would be shot with a ball of their own shit.
Having said that I'd say the front one was made closer to mid week that the rear, that dude was having a really bad day.

[jellywrestler]

I finally landed this bike in Tauranga yesterday thanks to the teamwork of Biketranz.
It's the first time I've seen it for 40 years & is in absolutely stunning condition.
I've removed the pack frame & brackets & the engine bars, they don't go with anything else the bike is about.
Pic is also pre wash & polish.
The bar end mirrors are a bit cheap.
I will be ordering up a pair of these ones shortly.
https://classicpartsltd.com/classic-motorcycle-products/classic-motorcycle-mirrors/halcyon-bar-end-mirrors/830-halcyon-bar-end-mirror.html

it seems the bar end mirrors like on there have all gone the same way, i have a number of these spanning about fifty years of fitment, old stuff good, new stuff all the same supplier and poor, hope the small round ones haven't gone down the same path.
have even got some NOS black chrome suzuki ones from the gs450s days.

[husaberg]

I can see the tappet plugs look standard in the pics, but it has a full set of eight multi finned ones.
Those cambray wheels are amazing quality.
If anyone did such a half arsed job of removing the flash these days they would be shot with a ball of their own shit.
Having said that I'd say the front one was made closer to mid week that the rear, that dude was having a really bad day.

So does the rear have a cush drive?
Speaking of Fridays I stripped down a Yamaha RD frame and was amazed at how much mig wire was poking oiut of the std weld. Never seen a Honda like that.

[sidecar bob]

it seems the bar end mirrors like on there have all gone the same way, i have a number of these spanning about fifty years of fitment, old stuff good, new stuff all the same supplier and poor, hope the small round ones haven't gone down the same path.
have even got some NOS black chrome suzuki ones from the gs450s days.

Read the link put up for those ones, they refuse to let price get in the way of good quality, refreshing in this age.
From their page:
Made in England-
The majority of engineered products these days are manufactured overseas, it is without a doubt the most cost effective way of producing a product with a viable profit margin. In most cases this has a visible effect on the quality of the finished product. Halcyon are proud to still be able to manufacture our key products in the UK, we know that we cannot compete on price with the overseas copies, but our philosophy – “Quality is remembered long after the price is forgotten” has kept us in business for over 40 years.


Husa, I havent a clue how to multi quote, yeah, it does have a Cush.
Obviously I'm very happy that the same wheels are there that were on it in the day, more than any other wheel it could have on it. But if Cambray went broke they deserved to.

[husaberg]

Read the link put up for those ones, they refuse to let price get in the way of good quality, refreshing in this age.
From their page:
Made in England-
The majority of engineered products these days are manufactured overseas, it is without a doubt the most cost effective way of producing a product with a viable profit margin. In most cases this has a visible effect on the quality of the finished product. Halcyon are proud to still be able to manufacture our key products in the UK, we know that we cannot compete on price with the overseas copies, but our philosophy ? ?Quality is remembered long after the price is forgotten? has kept us in business for over 40 years.


Husa, I havent a clue how to multi quote, yeah, it does have a Cush.
Obviously I'm very happy that the same wheels are there that were on it in the day, more than any other wheel it could have on it. But if Cambray went broke they deserved to.

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tick so the arrow appears then tick reply with quote on the last one.

[Kickaha]

Halcyon are proud to still be able to manufacture our key products in the UK, we know that we cannot compete on price with the overseas copies, but our philosophy ? ?Quality is remembered long after the price is forgotten? has kept us in business for over 40 years.


I've used those on three different bikes, I haven't seen anything else as good as they are

[sidecar bob]

Hmm, what to do? Got offered this today. Rickman CR900.
You better hurry up & sell me that SB3 Spyda, before I run out of room.

[Grumph]

Hmm, what to do? Got offered this today. Rickman CR900.
You better hurry up & sell me that SB3 Spyda, before I run out of room.

If the CR is affordable, grab it. Rocking horse poo - but about as simple as a rocking horse to work on too.
That one looks to have all the right bits except some decent pods.

[sidecar bob]

If the CR is affordable, grab it. Rocking horse poo - but about as simple as a rocking horse to work on too.
That one looks to have all the right bits except some decent pods.

What price would represent affordable? What would it get if it went up on trademe?
I feel like it needs a round headlamp & a set of Z1 gauges, not that you can see the late gauges in that pic.
Maybe even a rickman fairing.
The indicators are a bit new too.
It's nickel & dime stuff in the grand scheme.
Goes without saying that it needs a full strip & put back together properly, with new paint as well.

[husaberg]

What's affordable?
I feel like it needs a round headlamp & a set of Z1 gauges, not that you can see the late gauges in that pic.
Maybe even a rickman fairing.
The indicators are a bit new too.
It's nickel & dime stuff in the grand scheme.
Goes without saying that it needs a full strip & put back together.

forks and wheels look out of place ducati? BMW
Dont you already have a rickman

[sidecar bob]

forks and wheels look out of place ducati? BMW
Dont you already have a rickman

I have a TR5 Rickman Metisse scrambler, nothing like this though.
Forks are Ceriani, front wheel does look very /6 BMW.
They were a kit bike, so have to be looked at fairly hard. Some builders wanted the best, some were on a tight budget.
Fortunately my scrambler was built by a competitive wealthy perfectionist.

[Grumph]

You sure about the forks ? The dust seals look too long to be Ceriani - more like the Metal Profiles forks most big Rickmans came with.
Are the caliper mounts integral to the fork legs ?

[sidecar bob]

You sure about the forks ? The dust seals look too long to be Ceriani - more like the Metal Profiles forks most big Rickmans came with.
Are the caliper mounts integral to the fork legs ?

I was going off comparing them with the ones on top of the pantry, but you're probably righter than I am.

[husaberg]

I was going off comparing them with the ones on top of the pantry, but you're probably righter than I am.

measure the legs MP are not Metric. But they look like neither to me?
1 and 5/8
I dont think they look that fat though.
the yokes look more modern and pretty flash? double bold bottom yoke is a modern thing

looks like the forks are the same as this etc
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yokes are double bolt as well i never knew loks like they are std later pattern forks and yokes.
https://www.mecum.com/lots/LV0118-315191/1976-rickman-cr-kawasaki/

pic of the day
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[merv]

Hmm, what to do? Got offered this today. Rickman CR900.


As is that is a rather ugly looking bike to my eyes.

[sidecar bob]

As is that is a rather ugly looking bike to my eyes.

Yes, It certainly needs the non period parts tossing away. Regardless, I appreciate they are not to everyone's taste.
It's nice to have something that takes a bit more finding than simply getting out your wallet like say an RG or RZ500 is at the moment.

[Drew]

Hmm, what to do? Got offered this today. Rickman CR900.
You better hurry up & sell me that SB3 Spyda, before I run out of room.

Good god that's fucken hideous.

[jellywrestler]

Good god that's fucken hideous.

the photo seems to distort what it really looks like, these were pretty hot in the day

[sidecar bob]

Good god that's fucken hideous.
If you knew what it could owe me in worked for income you would be in it to the nut sack.
Needs a brown seat & header wrap to be fair though.

[Grumph]

Good god that's fucken hideous.

Well, the thing with Rickmans is that you can make them look good or any way you like quite easily. I personally don't like them with high bars and a dual seat.
On the other hand, there's a black and gold Rickman triumph cafe racer here in ChCh which is probably the best looking bike I've ever seen. very like the pic Husa posted. Clip ons and a single seat with the right headlight and you won't recognise it.

Then there's the whole handling thing...If I told you how much frame bracing and engine remounting in a stock frame is required to get a hot Z1 to actually go in a straight line with the power on, you wouldn't believe me. These frames are lighter and waaaay stiffer.

[98tls]

As is that is a rather ugly looking bike to my eyes.

Reckon its gorgeous well would be with a tidy up, dual seat gone into the bin along with the headlight.Well tasty.