soemthing to do with floowing too close maybe?

[jellywrestler]

not a nice scenario but one wonders how close they were following each other to kill seven riders and pillions...

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12243134

[Dadpole]

It was a pirate parade so they would have been in close formation and under the command of a road captain...

Always a massive fuck-up potential there.

[sidecar bob]

It was a pirate parade so they would have been in close formation and under the command of a road captain...

Always a massive fuck-up potential there.

Are you shitting me? These are adults I assume?
This all sounds very very gay.
Be fucked if I'd ride anything under the command of a "road captain" it sounds like what you get when you cross douchbaggery with an ego.

[buggerit]

Not commenting on this accident that I know little about, but in general I view close formation staggered riding
as an unnecessary risk. Quite often the inside riders are hugging the white line and oncoming traffic are
moving well to the left of their lane to increase separation.
My own personal view is that I like to have an unfettered view of the full road width and at least the same following
distance as you would in a car and the same behind me. One of the advantages of a motorcycle is the ability to
move around within your lane , why restrict your options?

[pritch]

Not commenting on this accident that I know little about,

That's a good start. This club is for former US Marines (you're not allowed to call them ex-marines) they weren't an outlaw biker gang.

Tomorrow will be Sunday there so we'll have to wait to get more info.

Interestingly New Hampshire is a bloody long way from here for a traffic accident to rate being reported in our news.

[nzspokes]

That's a good start. This club is for former US Marines (you're not allowed to call them ex-marines) they weren't an outlaw biker gang.

Tomorrow will be Sunday there so we'll have to wait to get more info.

Interestingly New Hampshire is a bloody long way from here for a traffic accident to rate being reported in our news.

Yup all Jarheads. By these photos and others Ive seen the truck passed right through the middle of them.

Do wonder if the driver had a medical event.

[Moi]

Irrespective of how it happened, it is an absolute tragedy for the families and friends of those killed and injured plus it has stunned the local community.

This accident has featured on another thread I follow, one based in the USA.

A local perspective:
https://www.npr.org/2019/06/22/735027835/pickup-truck-in-new-hampshire-collides-with-marine-motorcycle-group-leaving-7-de

It is being suggested that the truck and trailer may have had handling issues prior to the collision and may have been jack-knifed across both lanes of the highway.

[Berries]

I'm sure when the dust settles the Police will have footage from at least half a dozen cameras but in 24 hours it won't be in the news here. In fact it has already been overtaken by the Hawaiian skydive plane that went in.

[sidecar bob]

I'm sure when the dust settles the Police will have footage from at least half a dozen cameras but in 24 hours it won't be in the news here. In fact it has already been overtaken by the Hawaiian skydive plane that went in.

The 1967 Beechcraft King Air, with a max occupancy of 9 passengers and crew combined that killed 11?
I'm sure that someone that knows more than me about aircraft can explain. Swoop, scrivy?

[Berries]

Easy to explain. If a plane is overloaded it has trouble getting up to take off speed and when it does get airborne has trouble gaining height. Not sure that has been indicated as an issue here. From what I can see depending on set up a King Air can take 15 jumpers to altitude.

[rastuscat]

My main problem with group rides. Following distance.

[pritch]

Do wonder if the driver had a medical event.

That or texting while driving? The driver was relatively young for a medical event. Witnesses said the truck crossed the centreline then swung back suddenly.

[nzspokes]

That or texting while driving? The driver was relatively young for a medical event. Witnesses said the truck crossed the centreline then swung back suddenly.

Read just now that its believed to have been in the middle of a jack knife situation. Its a pretty big trailer going by the photos.

Guess the real story will bubble to the top.

[jellywrestler]

Are you shitting me? These are adults I assume?
This all sounds very very gay.
Be fucked if I'd ride anything under the command of a "road captain" it sounds like what you get when you cross douchbaggery with an ego.

we have that here, the life members are high up in the foodchain, they buy ten years membership at once for that little sew on patch

[jellywrestler]

Easy to explain. If a plane is overloaded it has trouble getting up to take off speed and when it does get airborne has trouble gaining height. Not sure that has been indicated as an issue here. From what I can see depending on set up a King Air can take 15 jumpers to altitude.

why didn't they just jump out rather than die, they all had parachutes on?

[Laava]

Had only just taken off...

[sidecar bob]

My main problem with group rides. Following distance.

Mine is other motorcyclists.
People can't seem to get on a bike & ride consistently & predictably for several hours at a time, even when you know someone, suddenly they will do something retarded.

[Dadpole]

Mine is other motorcyclists.
People can't seem to get on a bike & ride consistently & predictably for several hours at a time, even when you know someone, suddenly they will do something retarded.

I have that problem with every other bastard on the road. Or perhaps it's me who is the problem...

Fortunately, we don't seem to have the 'close formation' groups to the same extent in NZ. At least out in the sticks where I live anyway.

[Berries]

why didn't they just jump out rather than die, they all had parachutes on?
As a parachute needs a bit of height to fully deploy if shit happens on take off there is no point jumping out.

[jellywrestler]

Had only just taken off...

oh, how naive of me, then why didn't they use the ejector seats then?

[pritch]

oh, how naive of me, then why didn't they use the ejector seats then?

It was a Beechcraft, not an F18.

[jellywrestler]

It was a Beechcraft, not an F18.

can an F18 fit 11 people?

[jellywrestler]

As a parachute needs a bit of height to fully deploy if shit happens on take off there is no point jumping out.

another one who took the hook line and sinker....

[pritch]

can an F18 fit 11 people?
Only if the people are very, very small.

[nzspokes]

oh, how naive of me, then why didn't they use the ejector seats then?

Its a Beachcraft, small problem of a roof. It would have been a very short ejection then hit the roof.

[jellywrestler]

Only if the people are very, very small.

do you mean 'abortions that made it'?

[Berries]

another one who took the hook line and sinker....
Sorry, I just had you down as stupid.

[jellywrestler]

Sorry, I just had you down as stupid.

are you my ex wife?

[Swoop]

The 1967 Beechcraft King Air, with a max occupancy of 9 passengers and crew combined that killed 11?
I'm sure that someone that knows more than me about aircraft can explain. Swoop, scrivy?

"Capable of carrying 13" according to Pineapple news (hopefully they are better journalists' than NZ media...) https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2019/06/23/ntsb-investigation-continues-into-deadly-skydiving-plane-crash/
The deadliest time is from takeoff until ~5000ft and the very worst time is "power setting change" when the throttles are pulled back from full takeoff power - to climb power.
King air = 2 engines, so losing one means a real bad situation close to the ground.

[Berries]

are you my ex wife?
Play your cards right sweetie, you never know.

[sidecar bob]

"Capable of carrying 13" according to Pineapple news (hopefully they are better journalists' than NZ media...) https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2019/06/23/ntsb-investigation-continues-into-deadly-skydiving-plane-crash/
The deadliest time is from takeoff until ~5000ft and the very worst time is "power setting change" when the throttles are pulled back from full takeoff power - to climb power.
King air = 2 engines, so losing one means a real bad situation close to the ground.

Apparently when a twin engined plane of that size loses an engine, the other engine gives the pilot something to listen to while he crashes.
Although the first eyewitness account on tvnz sounded like a c of g issue.

[rastuscat]

Maybe this thread should go onto the KiwiPilot forum.

[roogazza]

Why would you want to jump out of a perfectly good aeroplane in the first place ????? :yes:

[jellywrestler]

Why would you want to jump out of a perfectly good aeroplane in the first place ????? :yes:

clearly is wasn't perfectly good.

[pritch]

https://www.unionleader.com/news/crime/driver-charged-with-negligent-homicide-for-motorcycle-deaths-had-heroin/article_86518f09-5ec9-53d0-b955-dc9fe7d81a68.html

I'm just a little suspicious of US cops finding drug residues. When they raid a place and find nothing it's often reported that "drug residues were found". Nobody knows what drug residues are, nobody has ever seen them, some people think they have magical properties - similar to unicorn shit.

In this particular case though the residues are in packets so our man may have a serious problem. And an addiction to hard drugs.

[jasonu]

Sorry, I just had you down as stupid.

Posting on here makes that very likely...

[sidecar bob]

https://www.unionleader.com/news/crime/driver-charged-with-negligent-homicide-for-motorcycle-deaths-had-heroin/article_86518f09-5ec9-53d0-b955-dc9fe7d81a68.html

I'm just a little suspicious of US cops finding drug residues. When they raid a place and find nothing it's often reported that "drug residues were found". Nobody knows what drug residues are, nobody has ever seen them, some people think they have magical properties - similar to unicorn shit.

In this particular case though the residues are in packets so our man may have a serious problem. And an addiction to hard drugs.
Yeah thats the spirit, blame drugs so stupidity gets off the hook once again.
drugs alone didnt make the trailer go out of control.

[pritch]

Yeah thats the spirit, blame drugs so stupidity gets off the hook once again.
drugs alone didnt make the trailer go out of control.

Ummm there may be drug charges, he is already facing seven charges of negligent homicide.

[sidecar bob]

Ummm there may be drug charges, he is already facing seven charges of negligent homicide.

I think my views on drug use are fairly well documented on this forum & need no further explaining.
Having drug residue in your home dosent alone kill seven bikers.

[pritch]

I think my views on drug use are fairly well documented on this forum & need no further explaining.
Having drug residue in your home dosent alone kill seven bikers.

I know nowt about your views on drug use but fail to see the relevance anyhow.

He has been charged with seven counts of negligent homicide. Any drug charges will be additional.

Where's the problem?

[sidecar bob]

I know nowt about your views on drug use but fail to see the relevance anyhow.

He has been charged with seven counts of negligent homicide. Any drug charges will be additional.

Where's the problem?
Im not a huge fan in short.
No problem, but it wasnt drugs alone that caused this debacle,
There will be other factors but drugs will take the fall for it.

[Conquiztador]

I was earlier today reading (unconfirmed comments) that it looks like all bikes had slowed down to turn in to the motel they were staying at, as they had been at a bike convention. So they would have all been close together and next to the white line waiting for the truck to go past so they could turn in...

[sidecar bob]

I was earlier today reading (unconfirmed comments) that it looks like all bikes had slowed down to turn in to the motel they were staying at, as they had been at a bike convention. So they would have all been close together and next to the white line waiting for the truck to go past so they could turn in...

Nek Minnit.

[jellywrestler]

I was earlier today reading (unconfirmed comments) that it looks like all bikes had slowed down to turn in to the motel they were staying at, don't harley riders have a sleeping bag and a tool pouch bungeed to their front guards so they can sleep under the stars with the coyotes and smoke weed and drink bourbon all night or have times changed?

[pritch]

Volodoymyr Zhukovskyy, a Ukranian national and driver of the truck, has attracted the attention of the immigration enforcement agency ICE. If the judge were to let him out of jail, ICE will grab him and lock him up again.

Negligent homicide carries a maximum seven years as a class B felony. Negligent homicide under the influence of drink or drugs becomes a class A felony presumably with a longer sentencing option.

As yet no report from the accident investigators as to what happened.

[jasonu]

don't harley riders have a sleeping bag and a tool pouch bungeed to their front guards so they can sleep under the stars with the coyotes and smoke weed and drink bourbon all night or have times changed?

Apart from the Harley part that all sounds pretty good.

[Swoop]

Why would you want to jump out of a perfectly good aeroplane in the first place ????? :yes:
There's no such thing as a "perfectly good" aeroplane. They ALL have faults to a certain degree - just ask an aeronautical engineer.
Classic example: Boeing 737-8...


don't harley riders have a sleeping bag and a tool pouch bungeed to their front guards so they can sleep under the stars with the coyotes and smoke weed and drink bourbon all night or have times changed?
They have to do that while waiting for the spare parts to arrive...

[pritch]

And the fallout continues.

https://www.unionleader.com/news/safety/massachusetts-rmv-chief-resigns-over-nh-motorcycle-crash/article_85facadc-d115-5be3-99ce-a7d889156263.html

[scumdog]

And the fallout continues.

https://www.unionleader.com/news/safety/massachusetts-rmv-chief-resigns-over-nh-motorcycle-crash/article_85facadc-d115-5be3-99ce-a7d889156263.html


Nobody in NZ would ever resign for such an oversight.


Somebody at the bottom end of the pecking order would probably be sacked to show 'these things are taken seriously'

[pritch]

https://www.unionleader.com/news/local/riders-honor-the-fallen-who-died-in-randolph-motorcycle-crash/article_4b284d2c-7f95-564e-9e5a-e4a1c479ab6e.html#1

[Blackbird]

There's a crusty old American bike instructor called Thomas Day who writes a thought-provoking and often entertaining blog. These are his thoughts on the topic: http://geezerwithagrudge.blogspot.com/2019/07/seven-dead-in-new-hampshire.html . Worth looking at some of his other posts. Doesn't mince his words.

[sidecar bob]

https://www.unionleader.com/news/local/riders-honor-the-fallen-who-died-in-randolph-motorcycle-crash/article_4b284d2c-7f95-564e-9e5a-e4a1c479ab6e.html#1

Yeah, let's all go for a ride without our helmets to respect our fallen fellow riders.:(

[jellywrestler]

Yeah, let's all go for a ride without our helmets to respect our fallen fellow riders.:(

that's more than they got for the seven nasa pilots when the space shuttle fell apart....

[jellywrestler]

Nobody in NZ would ever resign for such an oversight.


Somebody at the bottom end of the pecking order would probably be sacked to show 'these things are taken seriously'

what happened at cave creek?

[Laava]

There's a crusty old American bike instructor called Thomas Day who writes a thought-provoking and often entertaining blog. These are his thoughts on the topic: http://geezerwithagrudge.blogspot.com/2019/07/seven-dead-in-new-hampshire.html . Worth looking at some of his other posts. Doesn't mince his words.
I enjoyed his description of these "gang" rides as "pirate parades"

[OddDuck]

There's a crusty old American bike instructor called Thomas Day who writes a thought-provoking and often entertaining blog. These are his thoughts on the topic: http://geezerwithagrudge.blogspot.com/2019/07/seven-dead-in-new-hampshire.html . Worth looking at some of his other posts. Doesn't mince his words.

Had a read and reckon he's fantastic. Thanks for posting.

[dangerous]

hey guys... just read the 1st couple a posts and knew it was going in the direction of gang come harley group bashing...

however on a serious note... do watch ya following distance, a fucking good mate died on returning from the brass last month... now altho it was actually caused by a cunt near stoped on a bridge with selfie stick out the window the two bikes doing 100k saw and braked but Mike I asume did not have a clear view and went down the side of the 2 bikes in front, they went down and mike went headon into a oncomming car....

DONT follow so close when ya not in the zone... just dont...

[rastuscat]

hey guys... just read the 1st couple a posts and knew it was going in the direction of gang come harley group bashing...

however on a serious note... do watch ya following distance, a fucking good mate died on returning from the brass last month... now altho it was actually caused by a cunt near stoped on a bridge with selfie stick out the window the two bikes doing 100k saw and braked but Mike I asume did not have a clear view and went down the side of the 2 bikes in front, they went down and mike went headon into a oncomming car....

DONT follow so close when ya not in the zone... just dont...

Further, don't follow too close, ever. Zone or not.

[dangerous]

Further, don't follow too close, ever. Zone or not.
true... very true but we all know what its like when a ride simply just comes together, close formation each mate being inside the head of the other mate (mates with hundreds of hours on and of the track) shit its half the buzz as to why we do it... :drinkup:

[SaferRides]

true... very true but we all know what its like when a ride simply just comes together, close formation each mate being inside the head of the other mate (mates with hundreds of hours on and of the track) shit its half the buzz as to why we do it... :drinkup:Read your other post, very sorry you've lost 3 mates this year. Take care.

[dangerous]

Read your other post, very sorry you've lost 3 mates this year. Take care.

always try to, but the part of the brain that forgets to grow up still fights the ageing body...
none of my mates were in group rides tho the most recent was behind other unknowns, one was entity on her own in the middle of know were...

[rastuscat]

but Mike I asume did not have a clear view and went down the side of the 2 bikes in front, they went down and mike went headon into a oncomming car....

That's the key to the gold that a decent following distance provides.

If you follow too close, you reduce your view, and reduce your time to react to the unpredictable.

You also make yourself harder for people to see.

[Beekeeper]

Was riding down 16 on the weekend when someone from a group we passed decided to tag along with ours, unsettling to have a bike who I didnt know riding too close of my hip especially as we were booking it. I think its a bad habit formed early in ones riding career, best to keep well back and off to one side. As for the Harley riders that got skittled, sympathies to the families but generally I have found Harleys to be porky, rather noisy obstructions with pretty bad try hard riders especially with the sit up and beg style when they try to go quick. The bikes sound ok its just the bum flaps vibrating in their arseless leather chaps thats so unpleasant.

[GazzaH]

A sizeable proportion of cagers and bikers alike are so clueless that they don't even notice what they're doing. We see them closing up in our mirrors, hassling to pass, passing, then closing up on the next poor schmuck to do it all again.

Some are such nutjobs that they disagree it's an issue even when it is pointed out to them, with graphic evidence if necessary and maybe a layman's explanation of inertia. Worse still, those types probably need more thinking time than most ... which makes tailgaters even scarier.

[rastuscat]

A sizeable proportion of cagers and bikers alike are so clueless that they don't even notice what they're doing. We see them closing up in our mirrors, hassling to pass, passing, then closing up on the next poor schmuck to do it all again.

Some are such nutjobs that they disagree it's an issue even when it is pointed out to them, with graphic evidence if necessary and maybe a layman's explanation of inertia. Worse still, those types probably need more thinking time than most ... which makes tailgaters even scarier.

Worse, it's a reinforced habit. They gain advantage from harassing the cars ahead, who at times get out of their way. And because it has never gone wrong for them, they don't see anything wrong with doing it, consciously or not.

[jellywrestler]

Worse, it's a reinforced habit. They gain advantage from harassing the cars ahead, who at times get out of their way. And because it has never gone wrong for them, they don't see anything wrong with doing it, consciously or not.

so when someone is travelling a decent amount below the limit, there's no easy passing are you supposed to sit in behind for miles and miles and let the cunts force you to be bored shitless, lose concentration and get irritated. i'm well over cunts who think that the only crime there will ever be on this countries roads is exceeding the speed limit, whereas it's fine to drive around twenty k's below.... I cam across a woman driving into wanganui last week at 55km's hr in an 80, when i pulled up behind she waved her arms around like it was her right to do so....

[nzspokes]

so when someone is travelling a decent amount below the limit, there's no easy passing are you supposed to sit in behind for miles and miles and let the cunts force you to be bored shitless, lose concentration and get irritated. i'm well over cunts who think that the only crime there will ever be on this countries roads is exceeding the speed limit, whereas it's fine to drive around twenty k's below.... I cam across a woman driving into wanganui last week at 55km's hr in an 80, when i pulled up behind she waved her arms around like it was her right to do so....

So you missed the speed change then?

[dangerous]

Worse, it's a reinforced habit. They gain advantage from harassing the cars ahead, who at times get out of their way. And because it has never gone wrong for them, they don't see anything wrong with doing it, consciously or not.

Who is 'they'?

[jellywrestler]

So you missed the speed change then?

no not at all, know every speed change in the north island as that's the easiest things to miss and get caught. cunts like her cause major shit and should be taken off the road

[Navy Boy]

Who is 'they'?

Well - From my experience a significant number of the members of the Ulysses Club in Marlborough for starters. I did a number of rides with them a year or two back when I was a member and experienced this sort of behaviour on every single ride. I was at or slightly above the speed limit on every occasion and making good progress so not getting in people's way. Following way too close, trying to intimidate others out of their way and passing on solid yellow lines were all par for the course.

They simply saw nothing wrong with what they were doing...

I no longer ride with them - I made the mistake of believing that being over 40 might make them better at this sort of thing. Sadly I was very wrong.:rolleyes:

[roogazza]

Nipped up to Palmy from the Horowhenua yesterday.
The amount of fuckers that can't maintain road speed is very noticable,makes cruise control a pain in the arse.
On the way the wife said why are you always passing ?? She was meaning trucks and SUVs' 4x4 etc !

But yeah, drivers who speed up in passing lanes and slow right after,go back to 90 kph ,happens all the time. For this reason alone I just pass everyone, all the time.
Just like on the bike if you are following, the larger shit (trucks and SUVs etc) you just can't see the road ahead or anything that might be about to happen ?
Always ridden and driven this way,for eg. any reasonable lump of wood or other shit can cause big problems (esspecially on the bike).

[GazzaH]

no not at all, know every speed change in the north island as that's the easiest things to miss and get caught. cunts like her cause major shit and should be taken off the road

Thank you for your insight, Jelly.

[Temporary-Kiwi]

Nipped up to Palmy from the Horowhenua yesterday.
The amount of fuckers that can't maintain road speed is very noticable,
But yeah, drivers who speed up in passing lanes and slow right after,go back to 90 kph ,happens all the time. For this reason alone I just pass everyone, all the time.
Just like on the bike if you are following, the larger shit (trucks and SUVs etc) you just can't see the road ahead or anything that might be about to happen ?).
I find these people very annoying, they slow down unnecessarily, except in passing lanes where they seem to subconsciously speed up as there few brain cells still awake, are saying ' it's more spacious now = safer to go faster .
the other bunch that drive me crazy are the lane hogs that "buddy up", stopping anyone passing on dual carriageways, it's hard to resist ramming them off the road sometimes!
but patience generally rules , till I get the opportunity to blast pass em, which is what I do with those strange odd people who follow anything going ridiculously slow such as tractors, harvesters etc , I mean what is up with them, they'll sit there causing a massive traffic jam behind them not passing even when it's clear to do so......

[Navy Boy]

I find these people very annoying, they slow down unnecessarily, except in passing lanes where they seem to subconsciously speed up as there few brain cells still awake, are saying ' it's more spacious now = safer to go faster .
the other bunch that drive me crazy are the lane hogs that "buddy up", stopping anyone passing on dual carriageways, it's hard to resist ramming them off the road sometimes!
but patience generally rules , till I get the opportunity to blast pass em, which is what I do with those strange odd people who follow anything going ridiculously slow such as tractors, harvesters etc , I mean what is up with them, they'll sit there causing a massive traffic jam behind them not passing even when it's clear to do so......

Yep - On the South Island this is particularly prevalent and the stretch of SH1 heading South from Picton being a classic example of where you see this. Thankfully there are a few overtaking spots away from the passing lanes which you need to utilise on a bike if you want to avoid this sort of crappy driving.

[SaferRides]

Open road driving skills are generally abysmal. Not sure if they are taught at all when people learn to drive?

What annoys me most when I'm driving is people travelling just below the limit who follow the vehicle in front, make no attempt to overtake and leave no gap, especially if it's a truck.

Highway 27 is a nightmare. I avoid it as much as possible.

[dangerous]

(A) Open road driving skills are generally abysmal. Not sure if they are taught at all when people learn to drive?

(B) What annoys me most when I'm driving is people travelling just below the limit who follow the car in front, make no attempt to overtake and leave no gap, especially if it's a truck.

Highway 27 is a nightmare. I avoid it as much as possible.

A... very good point, compleatly different skills to town driving
B... and that brings you to me... im that prick that passes the lot at once cos no one will pass, they toot they flash then they email the boss cos im in a sign writen car... FUCK

[Subike]

Yep - On the South Island this is particularly prevalent and the stretch of SH1 heading South from Picton being a classic example of where you see this. Thankfully there are a few overtaking spots away from the passing lanes which you need to utilise on a bike if you want to avoid this sort of crappy driving.

I deliver new tractors and equipment all over the Blenheim Malbougher region. As the driver of these slow machines, the frustration goes both ways. Keeping to the left is not easy a lot of the time, running on the edge of the seal can be a challenge when the steering at "speed" in some tractors has a lot to be desired. The most infuriating thing is drivers who stay behind you when you give them room, But just as bad are the ones who sit there, wait for passing opportunity, then cross completely onto the opp side of the road to pass. leaving a gap you could drive a truck through when I have given plenty of room to pass often multiple times. I often have to stop when drivers almost refuse to pass, just to let the build up they are causing to move ahead. This is not easy especially between Picton and Blenheim where cheese cutters narrow the road , making the danger worse. Follow too close? drive a tractor on the road, and feel their breath on your neck, that's how close many get.

[Navy Boy]

I deliver new tractors and equipment all over the Blenheim Malbougher region. As the driver of these slow machines, the frustration goes both ways. Keeping to the left is not easy a lot of the time, running on the edge of the seal can be a challenge when the steering at "speed" in some tractors has a lot to be desired. The most infuriating thing is drivers who stay behind you when you give them room, But just as bad are the ones who sit there, wait for passing opportunity, then cross completely onto the opp side of the road to pass. leaving a gap you could drive a truck through when I have given plenty of room to pass often multiple times. I often have to stop when drivers almost refuse to pass, just to let the build up they are causing to move ahead. This is not easy especially between Picton and Blenheim where cheese cutters narrow the road , making the danger worse. Follow too close? drive a tractor on the road, and feel their breath on your neck, that's how close many get.

Yep - I feel your pain my friend and your point about trying to drive a tractor close to the edge of the road is a valid one. My only counter would be that I do try to give drivers a fair bit of room when passing, tractors included, as they sometimes do move around a little erratically and oftentimes their indicators and other lights are covered in muck so seeing what, if anything that they are signalling, is almost impossible. Its times like this that utilising the overtaking grunt of a bike really pays dividends. :yes:

[rastuscat]

A... very good point, compleatly different skills to town driving
B... and that brings you to me... im that prick that passes the lot at once cos no one will pass, they toot they flash then they email the boss cos im in a sign writen car... FUCK

Is this you?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/109246740/dash-cam-footage-captures-hectic-minute-of-dangerous-driving-on-remutaka-hill-rd?rm=a&fbclid=IwAR3RJwD_Y0MatnMDqqvyLuQVgazJA0XrElWIlKwzO THWF7pHVdD6wr_r6iA

[Beekeeper]

Is this you?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/109246740/dash-cam-footage-captures-hectic-minute-of-dangerous-driving-on-remutaka-hill-rd?rm=a&fbclid=IwAR3RJwD_Y0MatnMDqqvyLuQVgazJA0XrElWIlKwzO THWF7pHVdD6wr_r6iA

Now every man is a little policeman, what a total twat.

[Temporary-Kiwi]

[QUOTE=rastuscat;- Is this you?
no....but yes, damn right that's me, and anyone else who hasn't succumbed to the brainwashing thats put out as 'road safety messages !
the more hysteria that gets propagated, the more lack of driver ability I see on our roads, the 90% of sheep in new zealand don't reside in paddocks, they're driving along our roads ( really slowly)

[nzspokes]

Now every man is a little policeman, what a total twat.People hate personal accountability.

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[nerrrd]

no....but yes, damn right that's me, and anyone else who hasn't succumbed to the brainwashing thats put out as 'road safety messages !
the more hysteria that gets propagated, the more lack of driver ability I see on our roads, the 90% of sheep in new zealand don't reside in paddocks, they're driving along our roads ( really slowly)

So 'driver ability' is pushing the boundaries of the road code as far as you see fit so long as you don't crash?

There seems to be a fair bit of entitlement on display here by those who consider themselves in the particularly 'able' category.

Why? The cost of roading is shared among all road users, regardless of ability.

[dangerous]

Is this you?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/109246740/dash-cam-footage-captures-hectic-minute-of-dangerous-driving-on-remutaka-hill-rd?rm=a&fbclid=IwAR3RJwD_Y0MatnMDqqvyLuQVgazJA0XrElWIlKwzO THWF7pHVdD6wr_r6iA

no... id be asahmed to be a rider passing on double yellows... those bikers were retards... as was the cage driver that followed them... HOWEVER the guy with the cam is just about as bigger cock... he needs a fucking life, shit sakes it didnt afect his day in anyway possable... but to rais his blood pressure and put him in a worse mood than he already was...


I deliver new tractors and equipment all over the Blenheim Malbougher region. As the driver of these slow machines, the frustration goes both ways. Keeping to the left is not easy a lot of the time, running on the edge of the seal can be a challenge when the steering at "speed" in some tractors has a lot to be desired. The most infuriating thing is drivers who stay behind you when you give them room, But just as bad are the ones who sit there, wait for passing opportunity, then cross completely onto the opp side of the road to pass. leaving a gap you could drive a truck through when I have given plenty of room to pass often multiple times. I often have to stop when drivers almost refuse to pass, just to let the build up they are causing to move ahead. This is not easy especially between Picton and Blenheim where cheese cutters narrow the road , making the danger worse. Follow too close? drive a tractor on the road, and feel their breath on your neck, that's how close many get.

intodays world... all tractors etc should be delivered by truck transporter... to much traffic on the road.

big ups on the effort re good driving...

[rastuscat]

I spent some time today drilling into each of the motorcycle crashes on SH75 in the last 20 years or so.

Surprising how many bikes have overtaken and come to grief against something coming the other way. I bet they thought it was clear to overtake.

Those crashes were second only to leaving the road on the exit to a bend.

It's easy to blame everyone else, but most I looked at were down to us.

[nzspokes]

I spent some time today drilling into each of the motorcycle crashes on SH75 in the last 20 years or so.

Surprising how many bikes have overtaken and come to grief against something coming the other way. I bet they thought it was clear to overtake.

Those crashes were second only to leaving the road on the exit to a bend.

It's easy to blame everyone else, but most I looked at were down to us.

Fucking cagers.....

[Subike]

intodays world... all tractors etc should be delivered by truck transporter... to much traffic on the road.

big ups on the effort re good driving...

I would love to see the cost of your food, wine, milk, or anything else if that was so D, would be good I agree, not very practical, and the cost would just kill farming.

As to the video. I agree that the riders were Muppets. follow the leader is a fault too may riders fall into the habit of doing. Even done it myself,f with a wakeup call putting that habit into perspective. And you were the road leader the day it happened D. I was following Mell in the Lewis pass, we were trying to catch up with you and Steve. "Got to get rid of those chicken strips Steve, "Remember? Yeah, followed Mell too close into shadows on a straight stretch of road, did not see the grey transport truck coming the other way, due to it blending into the shadow THOIUGHT THE WAY WAS CLEAR BECAUSE OTHER BIKES HAD ALREADY GONE. but it was not. Lesson learnt, thankfully without incident.

[jellywrestler]

I deliver new tractors and equipment all over the Blenheim Malbougher region. As the driver of these slow machines, the frustration goes both ways. Keeping to the left is not easy a lot of the time, running on the edge of the seal can be a challenge when the steering at "speed" in some tractors has a lot to be desired. The most infuriating thing is drivers who stay behind you when you give them room, But just as bad are the ones who sit there, wait for passing opportunity, then cross completely onto the opp side of the road to pass. leaving a gap you could drive a truck through when I have given plenty of room to pass often multiple times. I often have to stop when drivers almost refuse to pass, just to let the build up they are causing to move ahead. This is not easy especially between Picton and Blenheim where cheese cutters narrow the road , making the danger worse. Follow too close? drive a tractor on the road, and feel their breath on your neck, that's how close many get.

the extremely slow vehicle is a different kettle of fish, and one that's not encountered daily usually. I'm talking about the cunts on the open road who can't drive for shit or simply don't know they have a rear vision mirror or how to use it.
when a light goes red in wellington we get all these people slowing to a crawl a hundred or so meters before the intersection, no thought to the people who want to use a free turn at the intersection for example, and want to get where the road widens etc. the Remutakas often has people who simply have no idea they can actually pull over on a wider piece of the road and let people past too.
frustration causes impatience.....

[SaferRides]

Well, here's something different...

I've been working in the Waikato for the last 2 days, covered about 300 km south of the Bombays. Very good, courteous driving, almost everyone kept a safe distance.

The only twat was someone in an old Hiace who decided not to let me pass and tried to stay ahead of me. That at least was fun to watch.

I overtook a few times, but did not see anyone else do so.

[Navy Boy]

Well, here's something different...

I've been working in the Waikato for the last 2 days, covered about 300 km south of the Bombays. Very good, courteous driving, almost everyone kept a safe distance.

The only twat was someone in an old Hiace who decided not to let me pass and tried to stay ahead of me. That at least was fun to watch.

I overtook a few times, but did not see anyone else do so.

Nice to hear that fella. ;)

[russd7]

I spent some time today drilling into each of the motorcycle crashes on SH75 in the last 20 years or so.

Surprising how many bikes have overtaken and come to grief against something coming the other way. I bet they thought it was clear to overtake.

Those crashes were second only to leaving the road on the exit to a bend.

It's easy to blame everyone else, but most I looked at were down to us.

have you had a look in to the one down here in Fairfax last year, apparently there is some very good evidence in that one and shows how things go bad very quickly.

[rastuscat]

have you had a look in to the one down here in Fairfax last year, apparently there is some very good evidence in that one and shows how things go bad very quickly.

When I get to work on Monday

[Temporary-Kiwi]

[QUOTE=nerrrd;1131137629]So 'driver ability' is pushing the boundaries of the road code as far as you see fit so long as you don't crash?
not what I was trying to say, I have to admit to only commenting on the initial overtake ( didnt watch the whole video at first) i was trying to point out that there wasnt anything 'dangerous' in that manouver by the motorcycles, they just didn't stay on the 'legal' side of the double yellow lines.
while illegal, being over the double yellow lines isn't particularly dangerous on a motorcycle, as it's only a slight adjustment which takes a very small amount of time to correct, in many placements of these lines, its obvious that they are not placed there because it's dangerous for a motorcycle to overtake, they are placed to show vehicles that have a much slower amount of acceleration ( as well as being much wider) there isn't enough space for them to overtake safely.
I say that without reference to having 100mtrs clear space after the overtake, as many sportbikes don't even require a 100mtrs to accomplish an overtaking procedure

[nerrrd]

So 'driver ability' is pushing the boundaries of the road code as far as you see fit so long as you don't crash?
not what I was trying to say, I have to admit to only commenting on the initial overtake ( didnt watch the whole video at first) i was trying to point out that there wasnt anything 'dangerous' in that manouver by the motorcycles, they just didn't stay on the 'legal' side of the double yellow lines.
while illegal, being over the double yellow lines isn't particularly dangerous on a motorcycle, as it's only a slight adjustment which takes a very small amount of time to correct, in many placements of these lines, its obvious that they are not placed there because it's dangerous for a motorcycle to overtake, they are placed to show vehicles that have a much slower amount of acceleration ( as well as being much wider) there isn't enough space for them to overtake safely.
I say that without reference to having 100mtrs clear space after the overtake, as many sportbikes don't even require a 100mtrs to accomplish an overtaking procedure

I hope you’re right, I’m not qualified to judge the ‘abilities’ of you or your bike, but you’re sure making a lot of assumptions about how predictably the rest of the traffic is going to behave during those manoeuvres, especially the ‘crap’ drivers, some of whom will quite possibly have had that crap scared out of them by a screaming sportsbike suddenly appearing out of nowhere.

[dangerous]

FFS guys... Its not about if its IYO safe to cross yellow lines... Its illegal simple as that, no arguing that's the law... And remember, cage drivers may not under stand your idea of it being safe to pass... So all its going to do is get their backs up

[SaferRides]

A while ago a car coming the other way nearly drove into a ditch AFTER I was back on my side of the road. Probably looked up from their phone and took a while to react.

[Temporary-Kiwi]

I've personally seen the reactions of oncoming drivers to a motorcycle coming at them head-on, & no - it wasnt me, I was traveling over the haywards hill road ( from the hutt side) just on dusk, as i came up behind a fella on a norton commando on my cbr600, as soon as he saw me, he gunned it to not allow me to pass, he must have disliked the idea of a japbike passing him 'real bad' as he went berserk, he went as fast as he could , and just stayed on the opposite side of the road ( even on blind corners) passing the considerable amounts of traffic, as cars coming the other way saw him they were vearing onto the verge to get out of his way, he just swerved closer to the cars he was overtaking, I followed him by blasting past cars when gaps in the oncoming traffic arose.
on a long downhill straight I managed to pass him , basicly because I wanted to stop him from killing himself or someone else , he is the craziest motorcycle rider I've ever seen, but it was an eye opening experience as to what is possible all the same

[Berries]

on a long downhill straight I managed to pass him , basicly because I wanted to stop him from killing himself or someone else
Most excellent logic young man.

[SaferRides]

I've personally seen the reactions of oncoming drivers to a motorcycle coming at them head-on, & no - it wasnt me, I was traveling over the haywards hill road ( from the hutt side) just on dusk, as i came up behind a fella on a norton commando on my cbr600, as soon as he saw me, he gunned it to not allow me to pass, he must have disliked the idea of a japbike passing him 'real bad' as he went berserk, he went as fast as he could , and just stayed on the opposite side of the road ( even on blind corners) passing the considerable amounts of traffic, as cars coming the other way saw him they were vearing onto the verge to get out of his way, he just swerved closer to the cars he was overtaking, I followed him by blasting past cars when gaps in the oncoming traffic arose.
on a long downhill straight I managed to pass him , basicly because I wanted to stop him from killing himself or someone else , he is the craziest motorcycle rider I've ever seen, but it was an eye opening experience as to what is possible all the sameProbably a Yank. There's any number of YouTube videos from the US like that.

At least you would have been spared the wheelies while overtaking!

[jellywrestler]

basicly because I wanted to stop him from killing himself or someone else

what a good cunt you are, you're not mother teresa's son are you?

[jellywrestler]

[QUOTE=nerrrd;1131137629] as many sportbikes don't even require a 100mtrs to accomplish an overtaking procedure

at a hundred km an hour you cover 100 meters in 3.6 seconds, show me any mortal being that can safely or even sanely complete a pass in that timeframe.

[Subike]

[QUOTE=Temporary-Kiwi;1131137688]

at a hundred km an hour you cover 100 meters in 3.6 seconds, show me any mortal being that can safely or even sanely complete a pass in that timeframe.

and at speed on a corner

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=qqxafkqy&id=CD43869BB815BB322BD8BED3F365ADF4A6937875&thid=OIP.qqxafkqyCRkM0vbfGvCMYwHaE8&mediaurl=http%3a%2f%2fs1.cdn.autoevolution.com%2fi mages%2fnews%2fvalentino-rossi-believes-he-s-in-the-best-shape-of-his-career-90511_1.jpg&exph=2000&expw=3000&q=rossi+at+spped&simid=608044265727393913&selectedIndex=66

[jellywrestler]

[QUOTE=jellywrestler;1131137716]

and at speed on a corner

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=qqxafkqy&id=CD43869BB815BB322BD8BED3F365ADF4A6937875&thid=OIP.qqxafkqyCRkM0vbfGvCMYwHaE8&mediaurl=http%3a%2f%2fs1.cdn.autoevolution.com%2fi mages%2fnews%2fvalentino-rossi-believes-he-s-in-the-best-shape-of-his-career-90511_1.jpg&exph=2000&expw=3000&q=rossi+at+spped&simid=608044265727393913&selectedIndex=66

the difference is with wankers who use the streets as a race track is they're out having a fang, totally concentrating on what's going on, the car drivers however are just getting from A to B, not interested in the drive, got plenty of distractions in the car and when someone does a valentino rossi on them they can react in many different ways.....
the footage of the head on on the auckland motorway this week where someone drove onto the motorway the wrong way showed despite a clear veiw in front, the person in the right appeared to do no braking whatsoever, yip it's not expected to see a car coming head on on a one way motorway but it seems this person was in autopilot.

[Subike]

[QUOTE=Subike;1131137719]

the difference is with wankers who use the streets as a race track is they're out having a fang, totally concentrating on what's going on, the car drivers however are just getting from A to B, not interested in the drive, got plenty of distractions in the car and when someone does a valentino rossi on them they can react in many different ways.....
the footage of the head on on the auckland motorway this week where someone drove onto the motorway the wrong way showed despite a clear veiw in front, the person in the right appeared to do no braking whatsoever, yip it's not expected to see a car coming head on on a one way motorway but it seems this person was in autopilot.

but you did ask to see one mortal that could do it, and you were not specific ,

[eldog]

he went berserk, he went as fast as he could , and just stayed on the opposite side of the road ( even on blind corners) passing the considerable amounts of traffic, as cars coming the other way saw him they were vearing onto the verge to get out of his way, he just swerved closer to the cars he was overtaking, I followed him by blasting past cars when gaps in the oncoming traffic arose.
on a long downhill straight I managed to pass him , basicly because I wanted to stop him from killing himself or someone else , he is the craziest motorcycle rider I've ever seen, but it was an eye opening experience as to what is possible all the same

I doubt you would make a difference to that riders attitude. Probably better to have let it go.

Yep i have observed some scary stuff done, passing in opposite lane with on coming traffic. Turning corner blinding going wide into on coming lane. I predicted the wide path and moved over. The list goes on... however it's the case with all road users not just mbike riders.

If you are going to try something make sure no one else is around. If you stuff it up. You have only yourself to blame.

I always think of the double yellow lines as a wall. But keep in mind it's an option to cross it. If required.

Remember most others dont use the road like you do(and or with the skill you have). Most are only intent on doing what they need to do. Not a care in the world for someone else.

I used to flash the lights (you sickos) to other users who didn't have their headlights on when it was dark. I did forget once or twice when I started out, Now I dont bother.

[Temporary-Kiwi]

[QUOTE=Temporary-Kiwi;1131137688]

at a hundred km an hour you cover 100 meters in 3.6 seconds, show me any mortal being that can safely or even sanely complete a pass in that timeframe.

if you watch that video re: rimutaka passing vid, the 1st m/cycle does a fairly good impression of it when he passes the car at the start or the passing lane

[jellywrestler]

[QUOTE=jellywrestler;1131137716]

if you watch that video re: rimutaka passing vid, the 1st m/cycle does a fairly good impression of it when he passes the car at the start or the passing lane

i did say safey or sanely, they are less than a metre behind the car for quite some time before moving out, totally in a blind spot too.... one of the problems today is the low tolerance to speed the cops blurt on about, it means people passing will spend more time looking at their speedos than the road ahead for fear of being 4km/hr over the limit, slowing down a train of vehciles trying to get past etc.

[rastuscat]

have you had a look in to the one down here in Fairfax last year, apparently there is some very good evidence in that one and shows how things go bad very quickly.

Alarmingly similar to one that happened in our patch a few years back.

Evidence that a human error can be made by anyone, regardless of the vehicle they are using.

Just sad.

[russd7]

Alarmingly similar to one that happened in our patch a few years back.

Evidence that a human error can be made by anyone, regardless of the vehicle they are using.

Just sad.

I haven't seen the evidence personally but I know the bend extremely well, and I also know quite a few on that ride, the scary thought is that if I wasn't away in wellington on that day then I possibly would have been on that run as it was a fund raiser.
it was in our turnout area but the neighbouring brigade got tipped out to it,