LTNZ recommends lowering speed limit on rural winding roads

[riffer]

stuff website reports:

Speed limit on rural roads to be lowered

16 October 2005

The 100kph speed limit on some rural roads will be lowered to 90kph in an effort to reduce New Zealand's road toll.

Land Transport New Zealand (LTNZ) has been working with local government on plans to drop the limit on some of the more dangerous stretches of country roads.

The new approach to speed is expected to begin in Wellington by the end of this year and if successful will spread to 40 other danger spots throughout the country.

Janice Rodenberg of LTNZ said today the new speed limit would apply to roads where conditions were not suitable for 100kph.

"(It's for) roads that are simply not engineered for speeds of 100kph – they are narrow, they're winding."

Ms Rodenberg said LTNZ was still in discussions with local councils in the greater Wellington area and was unable to specify which sections of road would be changed.

<!-- STORY ADS End--> "We are talking to a number of local authorities about possible sites for these speed zones.

"We will be putting a few of the zones in place and we'll be monitoring them closely to see what impact it has and how it works."

She said if they are successful in reducing road accidents then the change in speed limit would be applied to other danger spots in the country.

Plans to increase the speed limit to 110kph on wider, longer roads were shelved when Transit engineers found none of New Zealand's roads were suitable.

Road surface, gradient, curvature, width and traffic are calculated when deciding which speed suits a road.

Transport Minister Harry Duynhoven said if the approach were successful it would correct the current situation where the 100kph speed limit for a four-lane divided motorway applied to a undivided rural road.

"Setting appropriate speed limits for the road will assist motorists who drive too fast for the conditions but are still under the legal speed limit," he said.

Acting national road policing manager John Kelly said police were happy to see the limit reduced on some of the more dangerous rural roads.

He said the new approach to speed might also see the limit rise from 50kph to 60kph on some roads, if the conditions were appropriate.

"If a road feels like you could drive 100kph on it but there is a hidden danger, then we have to set a lower speed limit so people will slow down," he told Herald on Sunday.

Mr Kelly said police did not expect to issue more tickets because of the speed limit reduction.

Plenty of notice of the speed change would be given and because of the nature of the roads concerned, drivers would naturally reduce speed anyway.

"We are not interested in revenue at all and in fact the number of tickets issued around New Zealand is steadily declining. If the speed limit is more appropriate to the road then there should actually be less tickets."

LTNZ said lowering the speed limit was a move to improve the safety for all drivers on New Zealand roads.

"We would urge all people to drive to the conditions, but this is another option we are looking at for improving safety on those roads."

[Jantar]

"We are not interested in revenue at all ."


Yeah, Right. As the revenue from speeding tickets declines at 100, the only way to increase revenue is to lower the speed limit.

If their argument was genuinely for road safety then the maximum permitted speed would be walking pace, and every vehicle would have to be preceeded by a man carrying a red flag.

[SPORK]

Hmm, Whiteman's Valley, riffer?

[avgas]

If a cop tries that in a twisty, im game......as i concerntrate so hard on the road at that point :whistle:

[N4CR]

We can't really complain as then we would be made to look bad like we have no regard for safety. Best leave this one alone and not highlight the fact that we;
A: Like to take some corners faster than we should eg 70+ round 25k bends
B: Ride at and/or exceed the speed limit in the country
C: Sometimes treat the roads as a 'track' for a few corners (or more) if the conditions are right.

And yes I'm generalising and I know some of you would 'never do that' (so don't flame me) but a fair amount of the people on here do at least one of those things.

Just my 2c.

I think this may help cages more than bikes, but the fact that if it is actually dangerous (and not just revenue gathering), you won't be driving/riding that fast. And signs etc warning of corners are usually in place in those areas, so I don't really get this proposal all too much.

Is 10kmh really going to make a difference? No.

[Karma]

My view is that the speeding limits in this country are a complete joke, as anyone who has ridden or driven anywhere outside of NZ will know.

I'm from the UK, and on the motorways over there the official speed limit is 70mph... or around 105kph I think, but unoffically you can get upto 100mph before being booked... that means a rough speed of 150-160kph easily.

I did a long drive once down the M1 where I was doing at least 110mph the whole way... doing that in kph in this country would be considered speeding.

Always been my view... speeding doesn't kill... it's morons not knowing how to control it, after all, a fork in the hands of an imbecile can kill you.

[Two Smoker]

With the speeds i do on widing back country roads, i dont think 10kmh is going to change very much...

[Storm]

Be interesing to see if tickts take a sharp upturn after this little change comes into effect

[placidfemme]

Do you think it will really make a difference? All road users will take those roads at excess of 100kph or 90 kph...

[Quasievil]

My view is that the speeding limits in this country are a complete joke, as anyone who has ridden or driven anywhere outside of NZ will know.

I'm from the UK, and on the motorways over there the official speed limit is 70mph... or around 105kph I think, but unoffically you can get upto 100mph before being booked... that means a rough speed of 150-160kph easily.

I did a long drive once down the M1 where I was doing at least 110mph the whole way... doing that in kph in this country would be considered speeding.

Always been my view... speeding doesn't kill... it's morons not knowing how to control it, after all, a fork in the hands of an imbecile can kill you.

Yes this is true and Ive been all over the world, BUT NZ drivers are crap and have a very very immature attitude to speed , simply put most drivers in NZ have trouble handling a car at 90 kmph let alone 100kmph and thats the problem. For me I usually drive my car at around 90 kmph anyway so I really dont care.The bike is a different story.
FYI speeding does kill and ""the faster you go the bigger the mess" is very true and if you have ever witnessed a high speed car wreck you will know this.
Speeding in a safe enviroment doesnt kill, IE a one lane super wide straight piece of road with pillows on the sides but where have you seen one of those kind of roads ?

[eliot-ness]

[She said if they are successful in reducing road accidents then the change in speed limit would be applied to other danger spots in the country.]QUOTE]


Does this mean that if there were more accidents the limit would stay the same or maybe increased??? :devil2:
It must be very frustrating for car and bike manufacturers who, after pouring billions of dollars into making vehicles safer, are being told that they are now apparently more dangerous than the were in the 1930s. Speed limits and the ever increasing number of hazard warning signs have become a cheap way of getting out of road maintainance. Until politicians admit this the accident rate will continue to increase.
Back to the future. The Morris Minor and the BSA Bantam.

[Ixion]

You're a naive lot , aren't you.

Do you really think that this is just something affecting "dangerous" or "winding back country" roads ?. EACH section will be 10km minimum. So , even if we belive their criteria, that means that any non-motorway road within 10km of a "selected" spot will cop the new limit. It's 10km MINIMUM. Probably double that average. 40 "spots" means 800 km of road affected. And, any remaining 100km stretches must also be 10km minimum, or they TOO will cop the 90kph limit. So if there's two 90 stretches with 9km of "good" road in between, the "good" road will be downgraded too. That's a good chunk of the non major highway roads 9ie the non boring ones) affected.

And thats just what they're admitting to for a start. We all know that the LTSA works on the basis of sneaking accretion - 40 "spots" now, another 40 in 6 months, then another 40.

The reality is that this is the start of the policy that LTSA have made little secret of for a long time - to reduce the open road speed limit for ALL non-motorway roads to 90kph. For a start. Want to bet on 80kph soon after . "Only for selected dangerous roads" of course. Tui's anyone.

Doesn't matter cos you already go faster than 100kph anyway? Maybe not, but when you get pinged it's a bigger fine. And more demerits. And instant loss of licence speed comes down to 130kph.

(Anyone want to bet that SH22 and Scenic Drive will be 90kph by this time next year)

[James Deuce]

They're trialling the limits in the Greater Wellington Region prior to Christmas.

I know what roads that will mean.

Is someone jealous at LTNZ that they don't have the skill to emulate our majestic progress through stunning countryside?

I'm buying a chainsaw and and I'll be doing some civil disobediance runs.

[spudchucka]

Be interesing to see if tickts take a sharp upturn after this little change comes into effect
Cops aren't going to suddenly target twisty rural roads. If they wanted to they could catch a shit load of people speeding now by simply concentrating on those roads, a 10kph drop in the speed limit on these roads isn't going to change the way they operate.

BTW I'm opposed to this idea.

[Ixion]

This isn't driven by the police, it's the LTSA driving it.

[Rashika]

I did a long drive once down the M1 where I was doing at least 110mph the whole way... doing that in kph in this country would be considered speeding.

no that would be considered loss of licence stuff, and the M1 is a little different to most of NZ roads.

IMHO reducing the road speed is going fix bugger all ...roads that are slow and windy and require a little more attention *most* people take care on anyway, its the ones that aren't that make people complacent, and take risks.

[TLDV8]

The problem is the laws are set by people using the perfect world outlook,lower the limit to lower the toll (NZ's road toll is dismal by population) the only people abiding by any limit are the already sensible drivers..the retards will continue as they did... The problem is 60% + of NZ drivers are morons...off topic,but remember when they bought in the no lapsed Rego thing,did they really think that would have any affect on those who did not register their vehicle?... Remember this is a Country you can travel to with no medical insurance and will get free assistance which led to things like group pregnancy tours from oversea's because you could simply get off a plane,go to a maternity hospital for free delivery and a bonus NZ passport for the infant?...As far as driving i have a 1.3 auto Nissan wagon,the speedlimit is not a problem...they could lower the limit to walking pace,would it have stopped the 8 or so deaths in the BOP in the last week or so,i doubt it...Where are the bright ideas to reduce the toll then,it seems a lot of drivers struggle on the straight bits of road let alone the bendy bits?

[bear]

I think it'll lead to more confusion.

We use to have only 30, 50, 70 and 100 limits.
Now we have 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 90, 100. Quite hard to keep up sometimes in unfamiliar areas.

[Beemer]

We live on a country road and there is no way you could do 100kph all along it as there are 45kph blind corners, no centre white line and there's a bank on one side and farm fences on the other. Even on the bike, if you meet the milk tanker, you are on the grass whether you like it or not. Most of us drive/ride to the conditions and the ones who don't end up in the paddocks!

The stupid thing is, most of the danger spots aren't on rural roads like this, they are in rural AREAS - often the roads where accidents occur are wide, straight and can easily cope with 100kph traffic. You don't often hear of fatal accidents on roads like ours, because people don't get the chance to speed. And I'd like to see the cops trying to hide down our road with a speed camera - try parking in our driveway sunshine and expect to be pelted with rocks!

It's like anything, it won't have much effect on those of us who use speed appropriately and don't go like a bat out of hell in areas that are unforgiving if we make a mistake - and nor will it stop idiots from killing themselves. As far as I can see, it's a win-win situation all round if they carry on removing themselves from the gene pool!

[XP@]

Cops aren't going to suddenly target twisty rural roads. If they wanted to they could catch a shit load of people speeding now by simply concentrating on those roads, a 10kph drop in the speed limit on these roads isn't going to change the way they operate.

BTW I'm opposed to this idea.
We already have a thread on the effects of this new trial, aparently these roads are also going to be Zing free. http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=18530
Personally I think looking at my speedo whilst taking a series of bends is a bloody stupid occupation, I'm looking 100% at the road, adjusting my speed to a speed which is appropriate for the conditions and the law can get F***ed if i am going to go down without a fight on that one.


This isn't driven by the police, it's the LTSA driving it.
Yes, true, but it dosent stop them taking advantage of it. And try telling me they have had no communication on the subject.

[spudchucka]

This isn't driven by the police, it's the LTSA driving it.
Yep, I realise that, I was responding to storm's post, #8 in this thread, which asked if the number of tickets issued would take a sharp upturn following such a change. I guess I should quoted him directly??

[spudchucka]

We already have a thread on the effects of this new trial, aparently these roads are also going to be Zing free. http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=18530

The way I see it that thread was about one cop with a bad attitude and several KB members with severe attitude retardation.

[Lou Girardin]

The other interesting comment was that the Police and LTNZ could not identify any roads where the limit could be raised to 110 km/h.
For starters, there's parts of the McKenzie country, part of the Desert Rd, most motorways, Helen's favourite piece of road - Waimate to ChCh, where 180 k's is quite safe.
But when you're a fanatic and think speeding is the root of all evil, you wouldn't find any roads, would you?
As for John Kelly of The Police saying they don't expect ticket numbers to rise. Yeah right John.

[froggyfrenchman]

oh great. See how they arnt putting the speeds up in other stretches anymore... Because you know we will all die imediatly apon reaching 110kph on any nz roads.

Translation. REVENUE GATHERING

[spudchucka]

oh great. See how they arnt putting the speeds up in other stretches anymore... Because you know we will all die imediatly apon reaching 110kph on any nz roads.

Translation. REVENUE GATHERING
That is such a tired and boring arguement.

[Lou Girardin]

One saving grace is that Wobbie is leaving early. Now that his bum buddy George is out of cabinet there's no-one left to play Mummies and Daddies with.
But knowing how quasi-military organisations work, Wobbies successor has been groomed to display all the right attitudes. We probably won't see commonsense re-introduced to the Police.

[geoffm]

stuff website reports:
Plans to increase the speed limit to 110kph on wider, longer roads were shelved when Transit engineers found none of New Zealand's roads were suitable.

"We are not interested in revenue at all and in fact the number of tickets issued around New Zealand is steadily declining. If the speed limit is more appropriate to the road then there should actually be less tickets."

Yeah ,right. Declinging tickets and income, the metric by which certain people's performance is measured and they
If the speed limit was appropriate for the road, only the top 15% would get nicked. The truth is different.

As for no roads in the country capable of taking a 110kph limit. There is not one? Not even the canterbury plains?
Geoff

[Lou Girardin]

They used the 15th percentile when cameras were first introduced. It didn't last long though, the revenue stream was way too low. Although one road was reputed to have a 15th percentile speed of 127 km/h.

[Storm]

Yep, I realise that, I was responding to storm's post, #8 in this thread, which asked if the number of tickets issued would take a sharp upturn following such a change. I guess I should quoted him directly??

I must say, it does put me in mind of gas station attendants copping all the flak when head office shafts Joe Public yet again.

Like it or not, the law is the law- if you choose to flout it(as is your right as a free thinking individual) and you will wear the consequences. If you dont like it, A) move elsewhere (Germany and the like have 300 km/h roads I'm told)
B) Do your moaning to those it might make a difference to -ie Head Office

[Drunken Monkey]

I think it'll lead to more confusion.
...(snip)... Quite hard to keep up sometimes in unfamiliar areas.

Why, don't you read road signs?

[Brian d marge]

Actually have no problem with it ,,,Some roads in NZ are posted at 100 km/h but 50 is more than enough ...
But as for finding no roads in Nz that cannot withstand 110 ....WOW ...last time I was there ,,we were travelling towards Napier ...on a road that was straight ...empty and wide enough ,,,,Very straight in fact it was so boring you would have fallen asleep .
No the thing people over look I feel is free tax paid for public health the lower the speeds the lower the injurys sustained the bigger the savings in the health budget ,,,,its a win win for the government ... ...
WHY dont they just tell the truth ,.....ie we are a small country ,,,we are trying to lower the health budget , by lowering the accident or reducing the type of injury ....
I as a normal person would say ,,yup that makes sense ...as long as you dont go and pay the ceo a zilllion dollar pay packet ...saying its an international rate...

Stephen

[SlowHand]

most open roads, bar the straight and wide like Beemer mentioned, don't seem to have drivers that do over 80, I live on the open road as well, and everytime I do 100-110, I run into traffic very quickly, then have to suffer the fate of driving at 60 round corners, and 100ish on the straights.

If they are that worried, fit speed limiters to all vehicles, cost 400max, but we'd only have to get it done once - oh wait, they'd probably tax the thing, AND charge you like RUCs. VOTE FOR ME!!

[Kickaha]

How many of you complaining about the speed limits have voiced your concerns with the LTSA and pointed out there are a lot of roads capable of supporting 110kmh speed limits?

[spudchucka]

I must say, it does put me in mind of gas station attendants copping all the flak when head office shafts Joe Public yet again.

Like it or not, the law is the law- if you choose to flout it(as is your right as a free thinking individual) and you will wear the consequences. If you dont like it, A) move elsewhere (Germany and the like have 300 km/h roads I'm told)
B) Do your moaning to those it might make a difference to -ie Head Office
If that post was in any way intended for my benefit then you will have to re-phrase it before I can make any real sense of it.

[madboy]

Well considering I'm posting in a bike forum, so must put my bike hat on, what does lowering the speed limit matter? I already exceed the speed limit, I already pass cars and other road users travelling at a speed lower than me whenever I feel like it, I already get chased by pigs. What difference does this really make to me as a motorcyclist? None. A big fat ZIPPO!!

Considering I've seen just south of 270km/h on my speedo, on a public road (yes, I am the :devil2: , I am out to rape murder and pillage) while chasing two other bikes that were pulling away from me (one 2-up), how the hell does the government think that particular stretch of road is unsafe at 110k?

It's as a cage driver that this bollocks pisses me off. Cos my boring family wagon doesn't quite have the power to weight ratio, width, length or massive brakes that my bike has - so I get stuck behind useless f***wits who think that exceeding the speed limit will kill them, so they must drive 10km/h SLOWER than the limit... and that must be true, cos the ad on the TV said so! Useless f***ing namby pamby nanny state c***smokers who can't solve a problem in any other way then the cheap way. Hey, and if you can increase the general tax take while you're at it, bonus. At least IRD are honest about it.

What the hell happened to individual responsibility? We are now living in a country where this concept has been dumbed down to the point that the government now must further infringe on our rights to exercise our common sense.

I've lost respect for this govt, and particularly their enforcers.

[WINJA]

With the speeds i do on widing back country roads, i dont think 10kmh is going to change very much...
SAME HERE THAT JUST MEANS ILL BE 210 OVER THE LIMIT INSTEAD OF 200 :rofl:

[Beemer]

What's the bet the first Wellington region road they target for this new speed change is the Rimutaka Hill road? Sure, it's not like you can do 100kph over the whole road, but it will target those riders who enjoy the road for a burst of speed.

No roads suitable for higher speeds in the whole of NZ? Not even the Dorkland motorway? Or the main road through the Wairarapa? Bullshit!

[zooter]

Cops aren't going to suddenly target twisty rural roads. If they wanted to they could catch a shit load of people speeding now by simply concentrating on those roads, a 10kph drop in the speed limit on these roads isn't going to change the way they operate.

BTW I'm opposed to this idea.
I think she might have left town but ehre was a girlie cop who used to do just that here. At the end of every month the local district commander issues an edict to go out and fill the month's ticket quota, laser guns come out in the usual hideaways and the unwary get pinged.

[Storm]

Spud- not aimed at you, just a general observation
ie- the coppers-you- will get abused by joe public (for enforcing the laws you swore to uphold) because the policymakers have changed them
The second part in short form reads:
go fast, get caught, pay fine, dont winge

[myvice]

:go fast, get caught, pay fine, dont winge
How about; Go fast, if your going to get caught, go faster, don’t get caught, don’t get a fine, don’t lose your licence, don’t lose your bike, don’t winge?
If you’re caught at 120kph, you are 30ks over the limit, you’re screwed!
I know people who PARK faster than 130!!!!!!

[riffer]

What's the bet the first Wellington region road they target for this new speed change is the Rimutaka Hill road? Sure, it's not like you can do 100kph over the whole road, but it will target those riders who enjoy the road for a burst of speed.

I would think you’d have a very hard time measuring the speed that most of us do on that road without causing a hazard to oncoming traffic. There is just no room to park a car on that road easily. Although they might just try. If a biker is killed by hitting a police car or by hitting the front pegs when he sees one on the other side of Jim’s corner and drifting across the road that may cause a bit of a stink though.

As for 100km/hr over the whole road, its nearly possible. As an average, its very likely.

A more obvious place to target would be over the “new improved Kaitokes”.

But it’s hardly a narrow windy road.

How about:

Middleton Road, between Johnsonville and Tawa (until the start of the year LSZ, now 70km/hr)

Makara Road (even Velox can't average 100km/hr on this road).

Moonshine Road

Whitemans Valley Hill Road

Crikey while we’re at it, how’s about Paremata Rd, Grays Rd, Paekakariki Hill (oops already done that), Haywards Hill, Akatarawa Rd...

:crybaby:

[greenman]

There are already country roads about Hamilton that have been reduced to 80kph.

[Hailwood]

A more obvious place to target would be over the “new improved Kaitokes”.

But it’s hardly a narrow windy road.

How about:

Middleton Road, between Johnsonville and Tawa (until the start of the year LSZ, now 70km/hr)

Makara Road (even Velox can't average 100km/hr on this road).

Moonshine Road

Whitemans Valley Hill Road

Crikey while we’re at it, how’s about Paremata Rd, Grays Rd, Paekakariki Hill (oops already done that), Haywards Hill, Akatarawa Rd...

:crybaby:

You are right about Kaitokes..thats just a matter of time before a speed camera or van or regular old HP car will be there somewhere.....wonders how many bikers would stop on the Rimutakas if waved over by Police?

[Toast]

One word Transit:

Fuckyou!!!

Ah, doesn't mean shit really, some 'guys I know' are already 80 over the current limit through known 65 corners anyway...agree with TS.

Kind of annoying that they're still getting away with the proven bullshit worldwide 'Speed Kills' campaign.

[avgas]

Mind due - winding rural roads??? Where are they again??? The fuckers keep cutting them up and making them straight.
Then they complain that everyone travels too fast.
fucks sake

[inlinefour]

Don't think that it'd matter lowering the limit 10km/h, people are still going to do stupid things on the roads, drink n drive/ride, drive/ride tired, drive/ride outside the conditions. If they really think that it'll help then they have been sitting behind a desk far too long. :nya:

[Lou Girardin]

Considering I've seen just south of 270km/h on my speedo, on a public road (yes, I am the :devil2: , I am out to rape murder and pillage) while chasing two other bikes that were pulling away from me (one 2-up), how the hell does the government think that particular stretch of road is unsafe at 110k?
.

Two up? And you think risking someone else's life like that is a good thing?

[outlawtorn]

well good on them I say, lowering the speed limit by 10kph should be done everywhere, that will definetly put a stop to most if not all boy racer crashes and most other crashes involving a motorvehicle of some sort......NOT!!!

Once again these blundering fuckwits cannot see the forest for the trees!!!!

[madboy]

Two up? And you think risking someone else's life like that is a good thing?Nope, I'm pointing out that the bike in front of me that was two-up was pulling away from me at the time, hence going faster than the indicated 270ish I was seeing. Besides, consenting adults.

The underlying thrust of my argument was that if it was nice and easy to crack 270 on THAT piece of road, then how is 110 unsafe on THAT piece of road, while 100 is deemed to be.

As for the Kaitokes - fellas, that'll be a gravy train for the HP. Passing lanes going uphill ending just on the crest, and you'll be at your maximum comfortable speed after passing whatever slower moving vehicles you were stuck behind through what's left of the twisties... leading into a nice open downhill stretch where you'll think it's perfectly safe to let the car just coast down the hill without applying the brakes (since there is no real corner anywhere in sight)... right into the man with the flouro vest and laser gun. The bikers at 200+ will be fine, it'll be the cage dwellers at 120 who'll be making up the quota.

[oldrider]

Mind due - winding rural roads??? Where are they again???
They are out there where I like to ride. Usually where Mr Plod is not!
A couple of months or so back I was minding my own business on a favourite piece of gravel road when I caught up to a utility. Hard to see who or what for the dust. Probably some cocky heading home.
I know the road well and sat behind momentarily until a safe to pass section came up then gunned it on and passed the ute. As the dust cleared the utility etc became quite clear complete with funny lights and paintwork.
I was committed to the task so proceeded as planned. I am not sure who was the most surprised the ute occupants or me.
These were not your average cockies coming home from town!
I hoped that the dust would make my ID even a little more difficult than theirs had been and twisted that thingy on the right as far as it would go and had one of my fastest trips across that (Safe) section of mountain road in a long time.
I was doing 140kph when I passed the ute!
Have to admit the adrenalin flowed fast and now that the mail time has lapsed, I am thinking that maybe they enjoyed the moment too because they were not adhering to the speed limit either. ( on those unsafe roads!)
It looks like Aunty Helen is determined to take away all our toys. Cheers John. :bye:

[Storm]

It looks like Aunty Helen is determined to take away all our toys. Cheers John. :bye:

The great lament of the masses. Oh well, Winnies back in, he'll be makeing the foreigners lives hell too, so at least we're all in the same boat :ar15:

[Posh Tourer :P]

All dual carriageway (apart from bits with intersections every 100m) in the UK is 70mph (120-odd kmh). Not too many problems, and the sturcture of the roads are very similar to NZ's motorways. However, all HGVs (over 7.5T) are restricted to 60 on those areas, and 50 on single carriageways, enforced by recording equipment. Dunno what it is like in NZ for HGVs, but this seems to work well overall as a system.....

And we are worried about 110 (let alone 120) on our motorways?

[Speedracer]

All this means is that it's even easier to get your license suspended while passing.

Makara road was a heap of fun while I was in Wellington, I had trouble reaching 100k on that one. It was almost like there was no speed limit, so it didn't matter if you went fast or slow, you could go at your own pace guilt free. :niceone:

[clint640]

All dual carriageway (apart from bits with intersections every 100m) in the UK is 70mph (120-odd kmh). Not too many problems, and the sturcture of the roads are very similar to NZ's motorways. However, all HGVs (over 7.5T) are restricted to 60 on those areas, and 50 on single carriageways, enforced by recording equipment. Dunno what it is like in NZ for HGVs, but this seems to work well overall as a system.....

And we are worried about 110 (let alone 120) on our motorways?

Yep, the LTSA probably couldn't find a road that was safe to do 110 on 'cos they didn't look any further than out the office window. Having just got back from europe I can report that there is no observable difference between most of NZ's motorways & many german autobahns. As if we needed any more proof that the LTSA have no bloody idea.

Cheers
Clint

[mouldy]

Yeah, Right. As the revenue from speeding tickets declines at 100, the only way to increase revenue is to lower the speed limit.

If their argument was genuinely for road safety then the maximum permitted speed would be walking pace, and every vehicle would have to be preceeded by a man carrying a red flag.
Look on the bright side , at least you'll be able to do twice the speed limit on a restricted jap import :devil2:

[Brian d marge]

Dont we have umm a motoring org that looks out for the motorist ,,,,

isnt it called the AA ,,,in Britain the reason why some of these crap laws dont get passed is because there is a org called MAG and others who really take the fight to the dicks behind the desk,,,l

But on saying that ,,,the Bossu road is a 100 kph limit ( where the unimog rolled ) and On my My MX bike MAYBE I could do 100

No as I said brfore ...a responsible goevrnment ,,,ANY government ,,,has to run a tight ship ...keep the housekeeping money straight ( or no one lends them money anymore ,,,) ,,,and ,,,when ,,,A / a biker falls off they tend to cost more in the fixing up off ....B / those irresponsible young hoodlums ,,,only constitute 12 % of the population and are alway out having this thing called Fun ,,so never vote ....So like what do we care if we upset a few ......

But as for the fact there is no 110 roads in NZ ...If you are going to bullshit ...make it plausabe ,,,The average kiwi aint that stupid ...

I mean ..Colmans .. when questioned about the make up of the bike costs ...came straight out and was up front.... this is it ,
As a result The majority of people now trust and would be happy to do business with Colmans ...
LTSA on the other hand ,,came out with a Howler....and from now what ever they say people just file their comments in the ,...Tossers file ..I mean they couldnt hand out money in the street....without a howl of complaint .....
What they should of done is be blunt ,,,,Ya all drive like a bunch of Dicks and its costing us to much money ,,,so we are taking your toys away untill you learn to play with them properly .....

OR ...this could be part of a plan to introduce private heath insurance ,,,as in well under free health care this is the restriction we have to impose ,,,but under a user pays private scheme ,,,we could have 120 kph roads ......

The trouble is ya just cant trust em .......

Stephen