ACC Cashback.

[rastuscat]

Keep an eye on the media on Monday 1 July, at 10 a.m.

There's a media release coming.

[Scubbo]

hold off an buying new rego till then? :2thumbsup

[Hoonicorn]

cashback? or a discount if you completed a gold or silver course in the past 12 months?

[rastuscat]

cashback? or a discount if you completed a gold or silver course in the past 12 months?

I think that's it.

I read the MSAC notes, it talked the scheme up. I think that's what's being adopted.

Details released on Monday.

[george formby]

Good. Hopefully it's significant enough to entice those who do not need training to partake and save some pesos.

Significant enough for me to keep the bike registered through the winter.... Rego expires on 02-07. Was gonna just mud sling for the next 3 months.

[Blackbird]

Good. Hopefully it's significant enough to entice those who do not need training to partake.........

Said tongue in cheek I'm picking :nya:

[nerrrd]

That sounds awesome, hats off to whoever has organised it. I have been seeing an ad for Rideforever courses regularly also when watching TV on demand.

My rego does not come up again till next year and I have already done two ride forever courses this year, but something hopefully to look forward to.

(Please excuse lack of abbreviations, apostrophes not working on my keyboard for some reason)

[jellywrestler]

That sounds awesome, hats off to whoever has organised it. I have been seeing an ad for Rideforever courses regularly also when watching TV on demand.

My rego does not come up again till next year and I have already done two ride forever courses this year, but something hopefully to look forward to.

(Please excuse lack of abbreviations, apostrophes not working on my keyboard for some reason)

you must have a time machine, while you're were listening to the wireless on july the first did you get the lotto numbers too?

[nerrrd]

you must have a time machine, while you're were listening to the wireless on july the first did you get the lotto numbers too?

Just being optimistic.

[Berries]

Just being optimistic.
It's ACC.




mfc10ch

[jellywrestler]

It's ACC.




mfc10ch

there's plenty of coin to throw around, they just announced today a $15million memorial to the chch shootings, why don't they do a $2 billion one and weld all the guns we taxpayers are buying into a big jungle jim, job done

[nerrrd]

It's ACC.

I am a cheap date.

[rastuscat]

Just a word from someone who knows.

If this turns out to be a discount for doing a course every 12 months, as rumoured, do your annual course with a different instructor each time.

Each different instructor has a different background, point of view and value to add.

[jellywrestler]

Just a word from someone who knows.

If this turns out to be a discount for doing a course every 12 months, as rumoured, do your annual course with a different instructor each time.

Each different instructor has a different background, point of view and value to add.

so they don't do it to a standard then?

[rastuscat]

The courses are delivered to a syllabus. Standards are always covered. Especially on the Bronze and Silver courses, which are linked to the CBTA standards.

But I'm not a racer, so I dont even mention trail braking or apexing. When I deliver courses it's from my Roadcraft background. Other instructors have different backgrounds. Its inevitable that you'll learn different things from different people.

Each instructor I know is awesome. But they aren't all the same.

[jellywrestler]

The courses are delivered to a syllabus. Standards are always covered. Especially on the Bronze and Silver courses, which are linked to the CBTA standards.

But I'm not a racer, so I dont even mention trail braking or apexing. When I deliver courses it's from my Roadcraft background. Other instructors have different backgrounds. Its inevitable that you'll learn different things from different people.

Each instructor I know is awesome. But they aren't all the same.

i've only heard good things about them

[Voltaire]

I had two letters from ACC recently which I usually open with some trepidation.

Both had cheques ( remember them) for a total of around $600 for overpaid ACC when I had my own business* back in the mid 00's.

I then had to go to an actual bank and queue up to deposit it like back then too.

Hey ACC....its 2018, whats with posted letters and cheques?

At least you can your speeding tickets via internet banking.


*Man in a Van.

[Voltaire]

i've only heard good things about them

Been on any?

[rastuscat]

Hey ACC....its 2018, whats with posted letters and cheques?

The proposal I read for the upcoming system uses internet banking. I'm hoping that's true.

[Jeff Sichoe]

Interesting, but i'd prefer some more noise around multiple bikes under one owner getting an ACC discount! Or maybe having ACC component become part of license renewal fee instead.

[nzspokes]

The courses are delivered to a syllabus. Standards are always covered. Especially on the Bronze and Silver courses, which are linked to the CBTA standards.

But I'm not a racer, so I dont even mention trail braking or apexing. When I deliver courses it's from my Roadcraft background. Other instructors have different backgrounds. Its inevitable that you'll learn different things from different people.

Each instructor I know is awesome. But they aren't all the same.When did you last do one?

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[rastuscat]

When did you last do one?

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I deliver them, so each time I deliver one, I do one. Does that count?

Each year I go and do a course with a different instructor, to always try to improve. Does that count?

I am a member of IAM, Does that count?

[nzspokes]

I deliver them, so each time I deliver one, I do one. Does that count?

Each year I go and do a course with a different instructor, to always try to improve. Does that count?

I am a member of IAM, Does that count?You are not required to do testing every year?

That would be unusual for an professional instructor.

How long have you been a IAM full member? Had your 3 year retest yet?

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[rastuscat]

You are not required to do testing every year?

That would be unusual for an professional instructor.

How long have you been a IAM full member? Had your 3 year retest yet?

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This isn't about me. It's about an announcement at 10 a.m. on Monday that might save us some dosh.

At least, I'm hoping so.

[Jeff Sichoe]

Ya - play the ball not the player

[nzspokes]

This isn't about me. It's about an announcement at 10 a.m. on Monday that might save us some dosh.

At least, I'm hoping so.

Just interesting how the Instructor system is setup. In my field an Instructor has a number of hours supervision and peer review every year. Continuous improvement and all that....

I have doubts about saving money when I rego 3 bikes a year.

[rastuscat]

Just interesting how the Instructor system is setup. In my field an Instructor has a number of hours supervision and peer review every year. Continuous improvement and all that....

I have doubts about saving money when I rego 3 bikes a year.

Let's wait and see what plays out. Even if you save $100, that's worth having, isn't it?

I've yet to see anyone do a course and not gain benefit from it. The best riders I know are the ones who constantly seek to improve.

[Berries]

I've yet to see anyone do a course and not gain benefit from it.
Don't take offence, but I would expect an instructor to say that.



The best riders I know are the ones who constantly seek to improve.
How do ACC define 'best' though? I would have thought it was an easy matter for them, the 'best' riders are those who don't cause them paperwork. That's where it all gets out of whack. There should be some recognition of past riding and claim history, not simply recognition of doing a course in the previous 12 months, which is surely no guarantee that said rider won't be making a claim.

I came across KB about ten years ago due to those fuckers at the ACC. The only thing that has changed is that I am now paying even more to subsidise all the fuckwits out there. And I still want my $30 back.

[rastuscat]

Don't take offence, but I would expect an instructor to say that.



How do ACC define 'best' though? I would have thought it was an easy matter for them, the 'best' riders are those who don't cause them paperwork. That's where it all gets out of whack. There should be some recognition of past riding and claim history, not simply recognition of doing a course in the previous 12 months, which is surely no guarantee that said rider won't be making a claim.

I came across KB about ten years ago due to those fuckers at the ACC. The only thing that has changed is that I am now paying even more to subsidise all the fuckwits out there. And I still want my $30 back.

If they give you $100 back isn't that better than nothing?

[Berries]

It just feels wrong as it was my money in the first place. If they called it a discount and worked it the other way then perhaps I would feel different. Nah, on reflection I wouldn't.

I think past claims help predict future claims. While I don't disagree that most will have improved skills the day after the course than the day before when you look at the self inflicted stupid shit that causes some of the crashes I have my doubts that this is a magic bullet.

[Dadpole]

The only thing that has changed is that I am now paying even more to subsidise all the fuckwits out there.

Under an ACC on a license' scheme you would be asking the tens of thousands of license-holding but non-riding people to subsidise you. :confused:

[Jeff Sichoe]

Fold the Motorcycle ACC Levy into Mandatory Insurance and then have the rates increase based on risk factors (speeding tickets, at fault crash claims, etc)

[Dadpole]

'Mandatory Insurance'? Are you mad? You would have to be a former ANZ chief executive to afford what an insurance company would charge you.

[Jeff Sichoe]

Would be cheaper than paying rego on 2+ bikes.

[Scuba_Steve]

Would be cheaper than paying rego on 2+ bikes.

in what world is $2.8k cheaper than $1k?

[Jeff Sichoe]

jeez mate you must have crashed alot (or be riding a $40,000 bike, lol) to have premiums that high

[Scuba_Steve]

jeez mate you must have crashed alot (or be riding a $40,000 bike, lol) to have premiums that high

No, just not ignoring the fact you make insurance compulsory & premiums go up.
The price you're paying now will not be the price you pay should it be compulsory.
Why you people keep asking to pay more for insurance is beyond me but ya'll really should stop it; the rest of us like to save a couple dollars where we can & I like the option to buy full coverage at half the cost of 3rd party compulsory

[Jeff Sichoe]

If you didn't meet the risk factors (crashing, tickets, claims etc) then you wouldn't pay more, the people in that bracket would.

[Scuba_Steve]

If you didn't meet the risk factors (crashing, tickets, claims etc) then you wouldn't pay more, the people in that bracket would.

Not how it works dude.

[Hoonicorn]

$100 is better than not $100, but I presently get a $50 rebate on my ride forever courses with protecta.

I know they asked riders to come along on the 1st at 10am, do they actually need the numbers, surely there are plenty of riders in the city that are going.

[Moi]

Fold the Motorcycle ACC Levy into Mandatory Insurance and then have the rates increase based on risk factors (speeding tickets, at fault crash claims, etc)


Would be cheaper than paying rego on 2+ bikes.


jeez mate you must have crashed alot (or be riding a $40,000 bike, lol) to have premiums that high


If you didn't meet the risk factors (crashing, tickets, claims etc) then you wouldn't pay more, the people in that bracket would.

I've heard all this before... now, who was it?

Cass... Cass... Cass-something...



BTW, I have two bikes - a 400cc and a 650cc - and I'm quite happy to pay nearly $1000 per annum to have the benefits offered by ACC and I'm an OAP... no longer on the $80K annual salary!

If you think private insurance is the way to go, do some serious costings for accident insurance and make sure you mention that you ride a motorbike... and be sitting down when you read the estimate.

[rastuscat]

https://www.rideforever.co.nz/coaching/motorcycle-rego-cashback-programme/

[Ixion]

Parturient montes, nascetur ridiculus mus.

[mulletman]

https://www.rideforever.co.nz/coaching/motorcycle-rego-cashback-programme/

Done, why not.

[oldiebutagoody]

I took a ride down to the steps of Parlymint today to see what all fuss was about. Listened to the Gubbermint for about 10 mins.

It was mostly attended by a sea of bright yellow high viz instructors, sort of like preaching to the converted. I think there were three of us that bothered to come listen that weren't professional trainers or Police.

My thoughts: I gotta pay rego and I was thinking I would do at least one course at some point. So why not.....Its a bonus really.

I went down just using today as an excuse to go for a ride, down the Wairarapa, Remutakas, Wgtn city, Kapiti, Saddle Rd to home. Bit chilly and windy but a good day out and made a couple new interesting biker friends along the way that share a love of good coffee.

Thats all

[rastuscat]

Done, why not.

Exactly. 10 char

[Voltaire]

Under an ACC on a license' scheme you would be asking the tens of thousands of license-holding but non-riding people to subsidise you. :confused:

Are they the ones who go out and buy the bikes you later see at Star Insurance Auctions?:msn-wink:

" ....used to have a T 140 back in the day, bought a Speed Triple and opps....."

[Dadpole]

I have two mates that still have bike licenses but are too physically buggered to ride again. I wonder how many others are out there and how many thousand (or tens of) would drop the MC endorsement if a holder levy appeared. Politicians only look at numbers of potential voters when they start making decisions.

[Scuba_Steve]

I have two mates that still have bike licenses but are too physically buggered to ride again. I wonder how many others are out there and how many thousand (or tens of) would drop the MC endorsement if a holder levy appeared. Politicians only look at numbers of potential voters when they start making decisions.

If they taxed having '6' on the licence I'd probably drop it

... but probably wouldn't drop riding

[MarkH]

This all looks pretty good to me. I did a silver course a couple of months back which looks like it can be counted, and I'm planning on doing a gold course later on when the weather is nicer.

The silver course was well worth doing. A lot of what was taught was stuff I kinda knew, but I gained improved clarity of that stuff. I also improved my low-speed turning skills, despite the trainer never having dealt with someone on a DCT bike with no clutch lever. And I got to go out for the day on the bike - that is always worth while!

I'm not opposed to doing a couple more gold courses next year as well, more time riding the bike and I never mind learning stuff.

[Scubbo]

damn still $400+ for a rego :bash:

[Mike.Gayner]

I save even more by not paying rego.

[SaferRides]

Bugger, rego on hold.

[SaferRides]

damn still $400+ for a rego :bash:Put it on hold over winter, then only $300.

[Voltaire]

Ride a classic, only $50 a year.*
342327
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1974259958.htm?rsqid=364f2e0c50554d01930c0dc15db06 2e7-004

* T's and C's apply.:whistle:

[Ulsterkiwi]

I took a ride down to the steps of Parlymint today to see what all fuss was about. Listened to the Gubbermint for about 10 mins.

It was mostly attended by a sea of bright yellow high viz instructors, sort of like preaching to the converted. I think there were three of us that bothered to come listen that weren't professional trainers or Police.

My thoughts: I gotta pay rego and I was thinking I would do at least one course at some point. So why not.....Its a bonus really.

I went down just using today as an excuse to go for a ride, down the Wairarapa, Remutakas, Wgtn city, Kapiti, Saddle Rd to home. Bit chilly and windy but a good day out and made a couple new interesting biker friends along the way that share a love of good coffee.

Thats all

your assessment of those attending is not quite there. I was part of a group of 7 that rode in together for the event. We met up with a further 3 people who belong to the same organisation. A grand total of 1 out of that 10 was a professional instructor. There were at least a half dozen others there who I know personally that are not instructors. I know most of the instructors around Wellington personally. I know some of the cops. Even with them there were a whole lot of people I didn't know. So three is a bit of an underestimation really.

You are right though about doing a course. Why the hell not? Usually you can get one free with the promotions the providers run and then get your cash back as well as the recognition I get from my insurance. Its a day on the bike, whats not to like?

Good route you took and would have been decent day for it.

[nerrrd]

I save even more by not paying rego.

Doesn't that mean you're saving nobody, and the rest of us are potentially saving you?

I'm grateful to get whatever cash back I can.

[EJK]

I think it's great. Also I do see that it's main objective is not to save riders up to $200 on rego cost but encouraging them to partake ride forever courses.

Save cost, save lives :msn-wink:

[jim.cox]

I dont think it is worth it.

I have three bikes - two of which I keep registered - plus a quad

Two courses to save on one rego aint a great deal.

Would much prefer to see the ACC levy on fuel usage - I think it is fairer

[Ulsterkiwi]

I dont think it is worth it.

I have three bikes - two of which I keep registered - plus a quad

Two courses to save on one rego aint a great deal.

Would much prefer to see the ACC levy on fuel usage - I think it is fairer

to be fair, the intent of this scheme is not to save you money, its to encourage you to undertake training that might just save your life.

The idea that people are being given a cash incentive to improve their skills at something they invest a lot of money in doing and to one degree or another they are questioning or moaning about it just staggers me.
What other world do you see this happening? I have two neighbours who play golf. One is nuts about it, the other plays in order to relax and socialise. They both pay $150 for one hour of a professional coach's time on a regular basis, so they can enjoy their game more and get better.
I know nothing is completely safe but how many golfers were killed or seriously hurt on the course last year?

Not having a go at you specifically jim.cox but what the hell is wrong with people that they think they are so good they cannot be taught something to make them better and more likely to get home again at the end of the day? That is what is on offer AND they want to give you cash money to do it.

[sidecar bob]

I dont think it is worth it.

I have three bikes - two of which I keep registered - plus a quad

Two courses to save on one rego aint a great deal.

Would much prefer to see the ACC levy on fuel usage - I think it is fairer

They already charge 6 cents a litre ACC on fuel, along with a pile of ever increasing taxes by other names per litre. Would you like more?

[Black Knight]

While I think this is a great idea I suspect that the costs associated with this come from the $25 ACC Safety Levy that we already pay with our rego-Some time ago this fund had got embarrassingly high and a bit was spent on "stuff"-Is it a case that the fund is bursting at the seams again and this is one way of reducing it?

[sidecar bob]

While I think this is a great idea I suspect that the costs associated with this come from the $25 ACC Safety Levy that we already pay with our rego-Some time ago this fund had got embarrassingly high and a bit was spent on "stuff"-Is it a case that the fund is bursting at the seams again and this is one way of reducing it?

ACC also lost 9 billion in a failed attempt to invest in shopping centres a few years ago, Fashion Island in Papamoa being one of them. That's in part why our Levys went up Under Helens Labour.

[roogazza]

I just did Reg on my 2010 Falcon and because the sytem failed to encourage people into newer cars, Reg for the Falcooon for 6 mths is now 56 odd dollars instead of 40 something!

I updated the Boss's car from an old 94 Civic to a new Suzuki Swift ! Reg at the time was much cheaper for the newer car.
Anyway the system has been wiped.:confused:

Bikes on hold, cos I can !!!!!! :banana::msn-wink:
Not as quick on the bars as I used to be , but still better than a lot, I bet ?

[HenryDorsetCase]

This all looks pretty good to me. I did a silver course a couple of months back which looks like it can be counted, and I'm planning on doing a gold course later on when the weather is nicer.

The silver course was well worth doing. A lot of what was taught was stuff I kinda knew, but I gained improved clarity of that stuff. I also improved my low-speed turning skills, despite the trainer never having dealt with someone on a DCT bike with no clutch lever. And I got to go out for the day on the bike - that is always worth while!

I'm not opposed to doing a couple more gold courses next year as well, more time riding the bike and I never mind learning stuff.

I did the bronze one years ago when they first came out. I will have some more free time to ride this summer and had intended doing some of these courses for shits and giggles.. so yeah, see you out there.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Ride a classic, only $50 a year.*
342327
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1974259958.htm?rsqid=364f2e0c50554d01930c0dc15db06 2e7-004

* T's and C's apply.:whistle:

If I've got $45k for that, $500 a year for rego I dont care about.

[HenryDorsetCase]

If you didn't meet the risk factors (crashing, tickets, claims etc) then you wouldn't pay more, the people in that bracket would.

LOL you naive princess. Ask people in Wellington how thats working out for them, or Christchurch (admittedly in a slightly different context) but insurance companies are fucking thieving scum and if given a state-mandated opportunity to fuck over their victims do you think they will decline and say "Nah we already make too much money". The only way that works is if the state provides a third party coverage. We could say its just for accidents. Maybe say its no-fault.... and provide compensation. Yeah, lets call it "Accident Compensation".....

[rastuscat]

ACC has figures showing them that people who attend courses are 27% less likely to make an ACC claim.

New riders are encouraged to attend courses by discounts on the time they have to spend on the 6L and 6R. This doesn't mean anything to anyone with a full licence.

The people least likely to do a course are the ones being targeted by ACC Cashback.

Given that we all accept that the cost of licencing a bike is dreadful, any way to get a few dollars back is a welcome bonus.

[pritch]

ACC also lost 9 billion in a failed attempt to invest in shopping centres a few years ago, Fashion Island in Papamoa being one of them. That's in part why our Levys went up Under Helens Labour.

Civil servants investing money tends to be less than brilliantly successful. It's not their money, it's only taxes, so they can let their imaginations run wild.

[sidecar bob]

Civil servants investing money tends to be less than brilliantly successful. It's not their money, it's only taxes, so they can let their imaginations run wild.

Surely opening shopping centres is like shooting fish in a barrel, Westfield seem to be doing fine.
Maybe the govt should get out of the home building industry while they still have their shirt.

[Scubbo]

...Gven that we all accept that the cost of licencing a bike is dreadful, any way to get a few dollars back is a welcome bonus. :yawn::sleep: if it were to set it at car rego price then the uptake would probably be around 90% :violin:

[Berries]

To be picky, my annual registration only lasts for one year so I don't know how a $200 cashback on annual registration works if it is actually paid over two years. Isn't that a $100 cashback on annual registration for two years? Take off the two courses at $50 each and it is a $100 cashback over two years. Take off your time faffing around to book and attend the course and $200 seems like a bit of an exaggeration.

I know, I know, it's not about the money, think about the improvement in your riding skills. Whatever. I can ride safely when I want to. I believe I have demonstrated this over my 23 years riding in NZ paying ACC and never making a motorcycling claim. While there is quite obviously a need for new riders to learn both basic and advanced skills and this training will undoubtedly reduce their risk the fact is that a fair weather weekend rider with two years riding experience has to be more of a risk to ACC than a rider with say 15 years claim free all weather riding history. Stands to reason doesn't it? And yet all they could come up with was whether your bike was bigger than 600cc.


The people least likely to do a course are the ones being targeted by ACC Cashback.
I'm afraid it missed its mark if I am the target audience.

[EJK]

...I believe I have demonstrated this over my 23 years riding in NZ paying ACC and never making a motorcycling claim. ....

Good on you. Safe riding and keeping yourself away from harm for over 23 years is an award itself me thinks. I mean, in the end that's what we all want. Right?

Keep up the good work. You don't need $200 noob rider bonus :msn-wink:

[Temporary-Kiwi]

to say the people who attend a saftey course are 27% less likely to lodge an acc claim would make it seem well worth them doing said course.
it also indicates that course attendee' s could be more safety conscious , or are more in need of training?
either way good on them for doing something to improve their abilities , and not join the statistics of those who have crashed.
I might have to attend a couple of these courses so that I can get the refund off my registration, and I might learn something or at least remember something I've forgotten that I've learned

[Voltaire]

23 years ...Kiwi Biker riders need to know your secrets to survival..:msn-wink:

I've not had a M/C related claim since I was taken out by a Granny in her Austin Maxi in 1986 when she failed to stop at Give Way and My poor nearly new Z1000 ended up with a twisted crank.I think they paid for a new helmet back then.
The time I was knocked off lane splitting on the South Circular in 1990 on my R100 does not count ( was my own fault according to their insurance, which by the way is compulsory which I totally agree with for all road users.

As none of my bikes have modern rider aids I have to be on my game for riding around Auckland.
Must book myself on the gold as I did the silver last year, whilst the cash incentive is nice its not the primary driver of safety.

Fail to plan, plan to fail.
Stop learning, start dying

[roogazza]

I started at age 15.Thru my twenties ,many,many times I was judged a maniac,nutter etc etc.(probably because of that Rimutaka Hill road !!).

I have been riding 55 years now and feel ,yes ,I not as sharp or as physical as I used to be. I have the experience and feel its just a matter of accessing that experience.
Really careful, but pick my spots and still like to step the pace up.

But we can always make mistakes and I get little reminders every now and then.

Keep the brain on the job and happy riding ! :yes:

[cheshirecat]

To be picky, my annual registration only lasts for one year so I don't know how a $200 cashback on annual registration works if it is actually paid over two years. Isn't that a $100 cashback on annual registration for two years? Take off the two courses at $50 each and it is a $100 cashback over two years. Take off your time faffing around to book and attend the course and $200 seems like a bit of an exaggeration.

I know, I know, it's not about the money, think about the improvement in your riding skills. Whatever. I can ride safely when I want to. I believe I have demonstrated this over my 23 years riding in NZ paying ACC and never making a motorcycling claim. While there is quite obviously a need for new riders to learn both basic and advanced skills and this training will undoubtedly reduce their risk the fact is that a fair weather weekend rider with two years riding experience has to be more of a risk to ACC than a rider with say 15 years claim free all weather riding history. Stands to reason doesn't it? And yet all they could come up with was whether your bike was bigger than 600cc.


I'm afraid it missed its mark if I am the target audience.

Yes my thoughts. If I take the course(s) it wouldn't reduce my ACC claim record as its already zero with over 20 years riding in NZ and some 30 years in the UK, only one insurance claim there - and that included a few years despatch riding in London. (There's a few ex DR riders here and they've probably got some excellent advice.)
There's more than a few riders, I guess, with good records so maybe they should ask how its done and reward accordingly.

In the old days we'd just get a Tiger Cub as they were the safest bike ever as 90% never got past the garden gate such was the reliability.

[Berries]

23 years ...Kiwi Biker riders need to know your secrets to survival..:msn-wink:
No different to yours and many many others I am sure.



Don't fall off, don't put yourself in harms way, don't wipe it on the curtains.

[RDJ]

I keep looking for RiderForever courses both because I want to do them and because I've had money extorted through the rego to pre-fund them - but whenever I ask I'm offered a place in a course nowhere near where I live. I'd have to travel north to Hamilton or south to Wellington. I can't afford to take that much time off - being self-employed, the boss doesn't pay me to take leave :-) Am I missing something? Are there RF courses ever held in the Manawatu?

[rastuscat]

I keep looking for RiderForever courses both because I want to do them and because I've had money extorted through the rego to pre-fund them - but whenever I ask I'm offered a place in a course nowhere near where I live. I'd have to travel north to Hamilton or south to Wellington. I can't afford to take that much time off - being self-employed, the boss doesn't pay me to take leave :-) Am I missing something? Are there RF courses ever held in the Manawatu?

That's one of the problems. To deliver Ride Forever, instructors have to be CBTA certified. There isn't a CBTA qualified instructor with an ACC contract in every town.

[jellywrestler]

i'll be interested to see what they do when i take my $59 rego in for my classic bike and request the $100 cashback....

[Moi]

That's one of the problems. To deliver Ride Forever, instructors have to be CBTA certified. There isn't a CBTA qualified instructor with an ACC contract in every town.

peripatetic...

[Blackbird]

I keep looking for RiderForever courses both because I want to do them and because I've had money extorted through the rego to pre-fund them - but whenever I ask I'm offered a place in a course nowhere near where I live. I'd have to travel north to Hamilton or south to Wellington. I can't afford to take that much time off - being self-employed, the boss doesn't pay me to take leave :-) Am I missing something? Are there RF courses ever held in the Manawatu?

Yep: https://www.rideforever.co.nz/coaching/on-road-coaching?region=8&_=1562378501915

[rastuscat]

i'll be interested to see what they do when i take my $59 rego in for my classic bike and request the $100 cashback....

That's a big win. They haven't excluded classic bikes, so effectively they will be paying you to ride it.

[Katman]

I'm off in a few weeks time for a couple of weeks of riding around the north of India and up into the Himalayas.

I sure that will teach me a few survival skills.

[Voltaire]

I'm off in a few weeks time for a couple of weeks of riding around the north of India and up into the Himalayas.

I sure that will teach me a few survival skills.

That will be a great trip,you can practice by not using indicators and use the horn instead, crazy place to ride but seems to work.

Who's it with as I did a trip to Rajasthan run by a couple from Auckland?

[Katman]

That will be a great trip,you can practice by not using indicators and use the horn instead, crazy place to ride but seems to work.

Who's it with as I did a trip to Rajasthan run by a couple from Auckland?

It's run by a crowd over there called Royal Bike Riders.

No second guesses as to what we'll be riding.

[jellywrestler]

It's run by a crowd over there called Royal Bike Riders.

No second guesses for what we'll be riding.

Royal Ruby's?

[Katman]

Royal Ruby's?

I suspect they'll be anything but gems.

I'm sure they'll be perfectly suited to the task though.

[buggerit]

I'm off in a few weeks time for a couple of weeks of riding around the north of India and up into the Himalayas.

I sure that will teach me a few survival skills.

Would enjoy a trip report on your return if you have the time:cool:

[nzspokes]

i'll be interested to see what they do when i take my $59 rego in for my classic bike and request the $100 cashback....

But you have to do the courses first on the classic bike.

[jellywrestler]

But you have to do the courses first on the classic bike.

why is that?

[cheshirecat]

I'm off in a few weeks time for a couple of weeks of riding around the north of India and up into the Himalayas.

I sure that will teach me a few survival skills.
Cool - plenty of pics please

[rastuscat]

But you have to do the courses first on the classic bike.

No, you don't.

[Katman]

Nzspokes - once again proven wrong.

[RDJ]

That's one of the problems. To deliver Ride Forever, instructors have to be CBTA certified. There isn't a CBTA qualified instructor with an ACC contract in every town.

Thank you.

Another (although minor) example of State theft. Color me unsurprised.

[RDJ]

Yep: https://www.rideforever.co.nz/coaching/on-road-coaching?region=8&_=1562378501915

Thanks Blackbird.

I checked out the 4 links

Aucland
Hamilton
Tauranga
Wairarapa
Wellington
etc.

but no WangaVegas or Palmy. (or for that matter, New Plymouth or Gisborne - not that I'd go there but whattabout access for those people...)

I've bookmarked them all and will check back periodically.

[Blackbird]

Thanks Blackbird.

I checked out the 4 links

Aucland
Hamilton
Tauranga
Wairarapa
Wellington
etc.

but no WangaVegas or Palmy. (or for that matter, New Plymouth or Gisborne - not that I'd go there but whattabout access for those people...)

I've bookmarked them all and will check back periodically.

I'm pretty sure that the Templetons (http://www.roadsafe.co.nz/about-roadsafe) and Two Bald Bikers (https://www.twobaldbikers.co.nz/) . both periodically run R4E courses up your way although it might not necessarily show on the R4E site. Might be worth contacting them directly.

Good luck!

[RDJ]

I'm pretty sure that the Templetons (http://www.roadsafe.co.nz/about-roadsafe) and Two Bald Bikers (https://www.twobaldbikers.co.nz/) . both periodically run R4E courses up your way although it might not necessarily show on the R4E site. Might be worth contacting them directly.

Good luck!

Thanks again BB!

[rastuscat]

I'm pretty sure that the Templetons (http://www.roadsafe.co.nz/about-roadsafe) and Two Bald Bikers (https://www.twobaldbikers.co.nz/) . both periodically run R4E courses up your way although it might not necessarily show on the R4E site. Might be worth contacting them directly.

Good luck!

The ACC contract trainers travel to deliver the courses around the areas they are contracted to. It'd be worth calling them to see what's happening in your area.

[Ulsterkiwi]

Thanks Blackbird.

I checked out the 4 links

Aucland
Hamilton
Tauranga
Wairarapa
Wellington
etc.

but no WangaVegas or Palmy. (or for that matter, New Plymouth or Gisborne - not that I'd go there but whattabout access for those people...)

I've bookmarked them all and will check back periodically.

And I know for certain that Peter Hookham at RightWay in Kapiti runs courses in the Manawatu. He is the AA Motorcycle trainer for Wellington, Wairarapa and Manawatu. You can contact him directly or via the AA

[nerrrd]

What happens now

We’ll process your application, checking it against training data from Ride Forever course providers. If you meet the criteria, we’ll transfer the $100 into your bank account by the 20th of the following month.

So it’s very nearly the 20th of the month after I applied, has anyone had their cash back yet?

[mulletman]

So it’s very nearly the 20th of the month after I applied, has anyone had their cash back yet?

Nope - cause it aint the 20th :shifty:

[nerrrd]

Alrighty then, wouldn’t want to have missed out, roll on Tuesday.

[ashes]

QLDC is paying for RideForever courses for locals next month, see here (https://www.qldc.govt.nz/services/transport/motorcycle-training/).

The courses in question will be based in Cromwell (even though that is not within the QLDC boundary) and run by Ornsby's.

Proof of address required, so bring a power bill or something I guess.

[SaferRides]

The bike's got a WoF and rego again, so time to enrol on a Gold course and get my claim in before the rego runs out.

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[nerrrd]

So still nothing for me from ACC, despite being post 20th of the month following. There’s a possible out I can think of for them not honouring the refund in my case, namely that I think at least a couple of the courses I did were advertised as no charge for reasons I’m not sure of.

So again I’d be interested to know if anyone else has received their cash back?

[biggo]

So still nothing for me from ACC, despite being post 20th of the month following. There’s a possible out I can think of for them not honouring the refund in my case, namely that I think at least a couple of the courses I did were advertised as no charge for reasons I’m not sure of.

So again I’d be interested to know if anyone else has received their cash back?

No money in my bank account either :argh:

[Honest Andy]

20th of the month after?

(the month after the month after...?

[Black Knight]

Could this have been a scam to get all those unregistered bikes registered.

[sidecar bob]

No money in my bank account either :argh:

Calm down, it's the govt.
I've had my business sold for two years & recently got some overpaid ACC levies back.

[Coldrider]

I have done two gold and two silver since 2017, and a silver after 1st July. The record of the latest one hasn't been updated yet, and ACC only has records of two of the four prior ones.
So don't hold out on their record keeping being accurate.

In my opinion do a silver, then gold, if you do any more, there is far more learning in doing a silver. Gold is pretty much formatted for what the group decide, and if half the riders are not at gold standard, the days wasted for those that are.

[nerrrd]

Well I got a nice email from them today, turns out my reading comprehension skills are shite and I haven’t done the necessary courses to qualify.

Will have to try and fit in another course and reapply.

[mulletman]

My last course 'Gold' was march 2016 so no good and my 'Experienced 'course a couple years earlier obviously to early. ACC have no record of me doing any...so ive returned email my certs to update (?) them, prolly wont mean much tho.

[biggo]

Sent email querying why I didnt get cashback on 20th of the Month to ACC.
Low and behold money in my account tonight [emoji16]

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[Coldrider]

Money appeared in my Bank in September without doing anymore than whinge on KB. :innocent:

[rastuscat]

Money appeared in my Bank in September without doing anymore than whinge on KB. :innocent:

That's what KB is here for.

[caspernz]

Done the obligatory 2 Ride Forever courses, as a customer, and hey presto I got my refund from ACC.

No KB whinge required :devil2::rolleyes::devil2:

[Bonez]

Went for Platinum 250km ride. Going where I want to go...... No ACC involvement what so ever. Loving the $50 yearly regos. .

[biggo]

Anyone received their 2and year cashback yet? I have just emailed ACC asking what the process is for claiming 2and part

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[Gremlin]

From their website: https://www.rideforever.co.nz/coaching/motorcycle-rego-cashback-programme/


Receiving your second cashback

You'll be eligible for the second cashback 12 months after receiving the first $100 cashback. You don’t need to complete another Ride Forever course during the second year to qualify.

When you’re eligible to request your second cashback, we’ll email you a reminder to apply for your second cashback.

Please contact us if you change your contact details between first and second applications.

You must:

Complete the online application form. We’ll ask you to provide updated details from your first cashback application. Submit the online application form.

We’ll process your application. If you meet the criteria, we’ll transfer the second $100 payment into your bank account by the 20th of the following month.

If we have any problems with your application, we’ll get in touch with you.

[biggo]

Maybe my reminder email ended in the trash.
Thanks for the info hopefully I will get a reply from my email. They were good paying PT 1 so fingers crossed [emoji2]

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[MarkW]

So I did my application in August last year and was paid on the 20th of the month following my application - September 20th to be precise.

I then received an email on August 25th 2020 saying that they would be in touch very shortly about the second part. By 21 September I had heard nothing and so I emailed Ride Forever with the query as to when "very shortly" was likely to be. I had a response three days later that I would be getting an email with the process that I needed to follow and that the email was going to be sent out "probably tomorrow" - which would have been last Friday.

As at 2 minutes ago I've had nothing.

If, when something actually happens I'll post further.

[MarkW]

And I've just had an email from Ride Forever advising of the requirements for the next payment - simple to supply what they want and so the next payment should arrive, I'm guessing, by 20 October.

[rastuscat]

And I've just had an email from Ride Forever advising of the requirements for the next payment - simple to supply what they want and so the next payment should arrive, I'm guessing, by 20 October.

It's a bit of a faff I know, but the issue was some people change account numbers for whatever reason, and it would have created a minefield if we just paid the second installment into the same account as last years.

[RDJ]

I got my first late last year and booked a course this March but you guessed it - cancelled because Covid.

Got another invite in the mail this week but the nearest one to BongoCongistan is 4 hours' ride away. That'd make a 16 hour riding day which I'm not cut out for these days. Hopefully there'll be some courses further south toward the Manawatu etc.

[rastuscat]

Just an update on the second payment question.

If you are eligible in the month of October, you will be emailed before the end of the month with instruction on how to apply for your 2nd Cashback payment. All successful October applicants will have their payment processed into their nominated bank account by the 20th of the following month (as per normal process).

It's how government departments accounts work. It's unrealistic to expect payment not be be aligned with standard monthly payment runs, however sensible that sounds.

Just FYI.

[rastuscat]

Theya re doing this so that their isn't lag int he process for further usage to anyone. Good approach

Insight from Dallas, Texas. Wow.

[biggo]

Got my 2nd hundred dollars today hooray

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[rastuscat]

Got my 2nd hundred dollars today hooray

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Nice, that's the ticket.