The Moon Landing 50 Years On.

[sidecar bob]

Did it really happen, or not?:corn:

[russd7]

wasn't there, but I do have it on very good authority that the earth does rotate around the moon.
me, having only ever been educated by the university of life apparently don't know

[onearmedbandit]

A friend of mine doesn't trust the US government to blow it's own nose, but when the subject of the moon landings comes up he switches to 'why would they lie to us'. He's good humour (but a very good friend so I don't push him on it).

[george formby]

If it was faked, an awful lot of people and governments are very good at keeping a secret.

[Grumph]

If it was faked, an awful lot of people and governments are very good at keeping a secret.

If it was faked, the Russians would still be screaming about it today. Reputedly, they tracked it and watched closely.

I watched it in the Home Appliance department of the old Canterbury Farmers Co-op in Rangiora - in my lunch break.

I worked there at the time and the dept head had set up TV's to watch it. There was quite a crowd coming and going.
No idea if it sold any TV's - but management thought it was a good idea and came out to watch themselves.

[sidecar bob]

Amongst other things, I'm struggling with the fact that 50 years later it hasn't caught on.
If you look at where car travel was at fifty years after the first car, air travel fifty years after the first flight, computer technology fifty years after the first computer.
Strikes me as odd that they packed it in after they cracked it.

[husaberg]

Did it really happen, or not?:corn:

I bet ya it was more real than any of the kardasians tits. Plus i bet less have planted the flag on the moon as well

[iYRe]

Series just came out.. "truth behind the moon landings" (its on your fav torrent site). Has an FBI agent, a rabid conspiracy theorist, and an astronaut. It was really interesting, lots of stuff about nazi's and the CIA... and lots and lots of science, along with interviews with people who were involved etc..

spoiler alert: yes, we did go to the moon.

[HenryDorsetCase]

If it was faked, the Russians would still be screaming about it today. Reputedly, they tracked it and watched closely.

I watched it in the Home Appliance department of the old Canterbury Farmers Co-op in Rangiora - in my lunch break.

I worked there at the time and the dept head had set up TV's to watch it. There was quite a crowd coming and going.
No idea if it sold any TV's - but management thought it was a good idea and came out to watch themselves.

It sold one TV - me Dad bought one and its one of my earliest childhood memories

[onearmedbandit]

Amongst other things, I'm struggling with the fact that 50 years later it hasn't caught on.
If you look at where car travel was at fifty years after the first car, air travel fifty years after the first flight, computer technology fifty years after the first computer.
Strikes me as odd that they packed it in after they cracked it.

You're going to have to cast a better line than that to get 'em biting.

[Grumph]

Amongst other things, I'm struggling with the fact that 50 years later it hasn't caught on.
If you look at where car travel was at fifty years after the first car, air travel fifty years after the first flight, computer technology fifty years after the first computer.
Strikes me as odd that they packed it in after they cracked it.

It simply cost too much. With the US continually getting into expensive wars, continuing into space wasn't feasible. Trump's saying they'll go back up - but when push comes to shove, I'd bet they won't. Not in my lifetime anyway.

[Grumph]

It sold one TV - me Dad bought one and its one of my earliest childhood memories

jeeze, make me feel old whydontcha...

[HenryDorsetCase]

I bet ya it was more real than any of the kardasians tits. Plus i bet less have planted the flag on the moon as well

12 have walked (or driven) on the Moon.

I don't get involved (now) in "discussions" about this topic because it is very bad for my mental health.

The only two things I would say is this:

in 1969 it was easier to go there than to fake it - and the technology did not exist to fake it convincingly; and

4% of the entire GDP of the USA when it was at its relatively most prosperous was devoted to the effort: 400,000 people and 200 companies (contractors) plus the staff of NASA, JPL and so forth. A lot of people and resources to devote to a fake. The other thing is the point already made: the Russkis really WANTED it to fail or have failed: remember they had beaten the US to every significant milestone prior to Apollo 8 (lunar orbit/circumnavigation) and landing (Apollo 11). first satellite, first man in space, first woman in space, first spacewalk. So they were devoting their not inconsiderable resources to trying to subvent it.

In my opinion, the moon landings are the pinnacle of human achievement thus far. Voyager comes pretty close. The STS programme was a very expensive sideshow (though cool as fuck).

[sidecar bob]

You're going to have to cast a better line than that to get 'em biting.

Ok then.
On the moon it's minus 500 degrees Celsius in the shade & plus 500 degrees in the sun.
That's a huge temp difference for a tin foil suit to handle.
A car, why a car? Where were they going & where was it stored & how did they unload it?

[george formby]

Amongst other things, I'm struggling with the fact that 50 years later it hasn't caught on.
If you look at where car travel was at fifty years after the first car, air travel fifty years after the first flight, computer technology fifty years after the first computer.
Strikes me as odd that they packed it in after they cracked it.

I don't think it was a sales trip.. And very expensive. https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/186600-apollo-11-moon-landing-45-years-looking-back-at-mankinds-giant-leap

Space trips are just around the corner, we will see the development you mention within our life time, well, I expect in the next 20 years. Space technology has come a long way in 50 years, it's only now that it is becoming a viable business. NZ is even lobbing satellites up.

Pretty sure the whole point of the exercise was the US sending a "don't mess with us" message.

[onearmedbandit]

I don't get involved (now) in "discussions" about this topic because it is very bad for my mental health.



Agreed. Every now and then I take a peek at their discussions and it honestly hurts my head. Like actually. I was aware of the saying but I didn't realise it was literal until I encountered this lot, along with space deniers and the FE group. I'm convinced that the main proponents are (mostly) in it for the recognition, money and power. Their arguments are, well they're not arguments. And then there is their followers, who tell you you're indoctrinated, fed lies, and to do 'your own research', providing links to YouTube videos to show their 'proof'...

The facepalm is too immense.

[onearmedbandit]

Ok then.
On the moon it's minus 500 degrees Celsius in the shade & plus 500 degrees in the sun.
That's a huge temp difference for a tin foil suit to handle.
A car, why a car? Where were they going & where was it stored & how did they unload it?

You've got the idea lol

[Laava]

, a rabid conspiracy theorist.

Anyone we know?

[husaberg]

12 have walked (or driven) on the Moon.

I don't get involved (now) in "discussions" about this topic because it is very bad for my mental health.

The only two things I would say is this:

in 1969 it was easier to go there than to fake it - and the technology did not exist to fake it convincingly; and

4% of the entire GDP of the USA when it was at its relatively most prosperous was devoted to the effort: 400,000 people and 200 companies (contractors) plus the staff of NASA, JPL and so forth. A lot of people and resources to devote to a fake. The other thing is the point already made: the Russkis really WANTED it to fail or have failed: remember they had beaten the US to every significant milestone prior to Apollo 8 (lunar orbit/circumnavigation) and landing (Apollo 11). first satellite, first man in space, first woman in space, first spacewalk. So they were devoting their not inconsiderable resources to trying to subvent it.

In my opinion, the moon landings are the pinnacle of human achievement thus far. Voyager comes pretty close. The STS programme was a very expensive sideshow (though cool as fuck).

I seen something the other day on one of the soviet rockets blowing up basically stopped their project dead. no prizes for second place.

[husaberg]

It simply cost too much. With the US continually getting into expensive wars, continuing into space wasn't feasible. Trump's saying they'll go back up - but when push comes to shove, I'd bet they won't. Not in my lifetime anyway.

there is an unmanned craft heading back soon cant remember whose it was Japan China india.

[Honest Andy]

The moon landings definitely happened. I saw a movie about it...

https://youtu.be/e2wrEI7DRkk

[SaferRides]

I seen something the other day on one of the soviet rockets blowing up basically stopped their project dead. no prizes for second place.They did build a couple of lunar rovers, which they used at Chernobyl to clean up radioactive debris.

[sidecar bob]

there is an unmanned craft heading back soon cant remember whose it was Japan China india.

Un manned you say?
You would thing they could pick up some 50 year old technology cheap that was 100 percent reliable back in the day to take some blokes back there.
Oh, is it that pesky radiation thing?

[shellfish]

By the time they go back to the moon they wont need to worry about taking a car, it'll be covered by bookable lunar electric scooters for them to trip over every 500m...
Just hope they remember to give each astronaut a phone with the app installed.
;)

[Beekeeper]

Did it really happen, or not?:corn:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0qagA4_eVQ

[OddDuck]

Something I was told a while ago (at work, by an optics scientist): the moon landings left retroreflector corner cubes behind, those three mirrors set at right angles to form one corner of a cube, the same things used in cats-eyes. Of course they're still there and still functional today. It's possible to shoot a laser from the ground and see the return pulse.

Yes, you need a very powerful laser. You need to know where to aim. You also need pricey gear to see the return clearly since the return is attenuated by 99%, ie astronomy-grade telescopes and powered tracking, with a rack of computers and instruments separating signal from noise. 1% does come back.

It's just that all that gear screams "scientists in league with..." though, it isn't exactly something that the average pub going punter can assess at a glance... sometimes people believe what they want to believe.

[Scubbo]

of course it happened. The time JUST before health and safety was coined to generate pencil pushing jobs and slow down man kind's evolution -- back then you could actually do things with human risk (even with their consent..) not now though


or you can watch capricorn 1 and follow that theory

[pete376403]

They did build a couple of lunar rovers, which they used at Chernobyl to clean up radioactive debris.

To TRY to clean up radioactive debris. The basically fried within minutes of being put on the roof

[HenryDorsetCase]

I seen something the other day on one of the soviet rockets blowing up basically stopped their project dead. no prizes for second place.

They had a lot of failures. So did the Mrkns... check out some of the youtube footage from Redstone/Saturn etc. The fantastic thing about a rocket failure is there is no "oopsie" lets just pull over here and pop the hood and check out what went wrong...... by definition almost, it either works flawlessly or there are bits of the vehicle scattered about a wide area downrange. Fun times.

You know how at present (apart from SpaceX) humanity's only heavy lift capacity to LEO is via Russia? That is what happened to those rocket motors once they got their shit working. Very reliable. (now)....

[Viking01]

We all have our opinions on who was there first ...

[HenryDorsetCase]

Un manned you say?
You would thing they could pick up some 50 year old technology cheap that was 100 percent reliable back in the day to take some blokes back there.
Oh, is it that pesky radiation thing?

China has a rover currently on the "dark" side of the moon. The most interesting part of that project is that in addition to getting the thing there, they also had to launch a satellite so the rover could "see" the telemetry feeds (including video) and bounce them back to Earth.

India was set to launch yesterday I think but aborted with about an hour to go on their count down.

One of my favourites recently was about five years ago the joint US/European mission to land a rover on mars. They miscalculated the entry velocity and instead of going 100kph the thing was going 100mph and formed a satisfyingly large impact crater......

[sidecar bob]

China has a rover currently on the "dark" side of the moon. The most interesting part of that project is that in addition to getting the thing there, they also had to launch a satellite so the rover could "see" the telemetry feeds (including video) and bounce them back to Earth.

India was set to launch yesterday I think but aborted with about an hour to go on their count down.

One of my favourites recently was about five years ago the joint US/European mission to land a rover on mars. They miscalculated the entry velocity and instead of going 100kph the thing was going 100mph and formed a satisfyingly large impact crater......

Apparently there are temp sensors on the moon with 50 year old batteries that still work, transmitting live in real time as we speak. Amazing! https://www.businessinsider.com.au/nasa-apollo-astronauts-warmed-the-moon-2018-6?r=US&IR=T
Its astonishing that a walkie talkie transmitted dialogue of the first moon walk in real time faultlessly, the first time it was used live from 384,000 km away though a belt of radiation.
The radio in my van can't even pick up Coast from just out of Taihape.

[Voltaire]

The same people who believe in invisible friend have to touch wet paint to see if its dry.

I do recall reading back in the day Chariots of the Gods and other twaddle but that was before it was supercharged by the internet........or was it really?

With Deep Fake you can't really believe a lot.....or can you...?:laugh:

[husaberg]

They had a lot of failures. So did the Mrkns... check out some of the youtube footage from Redstone/Saturn etc. The fantastic thing about a rocket failure is there is no "oopsie" lets just pull over here and pop the hood and check out what went wrong...... by definition almost, it either works flawlessly or there are bits of the vehicle scattered about a wide area downrange. Fun times.

You know how at present (apart from SpaceX) humanity's only heavy lift capacity to LEO is via Russia? That is what happened to those rocket motors once they got their shit working. Very reliable. (now)....

Yeah but USA still has the many missles in the silos that will need decommissioning these as far as i know were actually based on saturn and atlas and titan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGM-25C_Titan_II
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGM-30_Minuteman
From what i understand Russia has long held the edge in big rockets as the Yanks concentrated on the shuttle program.
But what i was saying is the Soviets were according to the soundbite i seen ready to go but the blow up delayed the program and the yanks got their first.


Un manned you say?
You would thing they could pick up some 50 year old technology cheap that was 100 percent reliable back in the day to take some blokes back there.
Oh, is it that pesky radiation thing?

that tech clearly wasn't that reliable back then.
pretty sure the computing power on the nav system was about 64K

Okay not even that
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer


They did build a couple of lunar rovers, which they used at Chernobyl to clean up radioactive debris.
i never heard that one nice.

[pritch]

A safe return from the moon was by no means guaranteed. Apparently there was a plan by which the astronauts would commit suicide should a return to earth not be possible. Nixon had a condolences speech prepared in case that became necessary.

Husaberg, the Israelis launched a moon lander just a few weeks ago, it was supposed to do a soft landing but alas, it just went splat. That's pretty bad, but I guess it could have missed the moon completely which would've been worse.

[F5 Dave]

wasn't there, but I do have it on very good authority that the earth does rotate around the moon. . . .

Oh c'mon what twaddle.

Of course they didn't fly through the heavens.

They would have bumped into God. And he would have been a bit cross.

I'm pretty sure satellites are fictitious, and there is a secret deep sea radio network to replace it. The 'pictures are just a software algorithm of what they think should be there supplemented by drones'

[roogazza]

I was asked yesterday if I remembered the Moon landing in 69. lol (it happened as I recall at night).
I was 20 years old,terribly pissed,and in some sheilas flat in Majoribank St', Wgton.
A fine effort as later I climbed on the roof of my near new Ford Escort and dented it (popped it out from inside !).
Yes I remember well !!!!!!!!!! :rolleyes::clap::banana:

[nerrrd]

I don’t get why people don’t think they were technologically up to it at the time, the shuttle was in operation only a decade or so later and that was demonstrably not fake and also remarkably reliable considering.

ICBMs, supersonic aircraft, stealth bombers were all around and fully functional long before the internet spawned the opinion-trumps-fact smartphone conspiracy theory era.

[husaberg]

Husaberg, the Israelis launched a moon lander just a few weeks ago, it was supposed to do a soft landing but alas, it just went splat. That's pretty bad, but I guess it could have missed the moon completely which would've been worse.

For their shape-shifting lizard overlords? where is Oldracy's 100 posts about it?:msn-wink:

[SaferRides]

I was asked yesterday if I remembered the Moon landing in 69. lol (it happened as I recall at night).
I was 20 years old,terribly pissed,and in some sheilas flat in Majoribank St', Wgton.
A fine effort as later I climbed on the roof of my near new Ford Escort and dented it (popped it out from inside !).
Yes I remember well !!!!!!!!!! :rolleyes::clap::banana:You must have been seriously pissed because it happened during the day. We listened to it during 3rd form science.

[FJRider]

I don’t get why people don’t think they were technologically up to it at the time, the shuttle was in operation only a decade or so later and that was demonstrably not fake and also remarkably reliable considering.



So explain why no Shuttle is flying now.

[Kickaha]

You must have been seriously pissed because it happened during the day. We listened to it during 3rd form science.

Did it? my first memory of TV was being woken up by my parents to watch that event

[Honest Andy]

You must have been seriously pissed because it happened during the day. We listened to it during 3rd form science.

Was it a recording?
We had it played to us on a record player at school :yes:

[F5 Dave]

Is it possible that they could have replayed it? Did they have the technology back then?

[Honest Andy]

So explain why no Shuttle is flying now.

They had to stop using it because NASA couldn't afford the rego.
It'll be back in the air soon though, now that it's a classic
:bleh:

[Honest Andy]

Is it possible that they could have replayed it? Did they have the technology back then?

Schools were better funded back then :msn-wink:

[F5 Dave]

Oh c'mon what twaddle.

Of course they didn't fly through the heavens.

They would have bumped into God. And he would have been a bit cross.

. . . '

And you would be s bit Cross wouldn't you?

There you are, in your Omnipotence, trying to catch some sleep. And these Cunts keep firing rockets and satellites into your living room.


Watch out you little fucks.:nono: I'll squash you like bugs! :spanking:I'll send a plague of locusts. I'll send another flood by Christ!

[scratch] ZZZZZZZZZZ.

[F5 Dave]

Schools were better funded back then :msn-wink:
. . . I was kinda meaning the Television station :lol:

[sidecar bob]

Did it? my first memory of TV was being woken up by my parents to watch that event

And i know youre a believer.
Must be the same as learning about jesus when youre 4 years old.

[HenryDorsetCase]

So explain why no Shuttle is flying now.

Ah, thanks for asking. Two reasons: It cost a LOT of money per kilogram of payload to orbit, and it didnt really achieve much that could not have been achieved better-er and cheaper using other technologies. As an example: big old satellites could be much cheaper deployed by using a rocket - in fact they have been. SpaceX is doing its bit now with re-usable rocket stages, reusable rocket engines, and the self landing boosters. The other is that technologically its something of a dead end. Sure, it was cool as shit, and they solved a lot of technical problems just to get it to actually work, but those problems could have been solved cheaper in other ways. It basically comes down to "What is your goal, here?"

Effectively the goal of the STS was to make the STS work.

I would highly recommend this book: Into the Black by Roland Brown. After Apollo and up to the successful flight of STS-1. Its very readable

https://www.amazon.com/Into-Black-Extraordinary-Columbia-Astronauts/dp/1501123629

The other book that is very interesting is the book about the Challenger disaster (and the fact that they got the things back flying after only two and a bit years ). The culture problems were very similar to the issues that led to the tragedy of Apollo 1, and of course with similar consequences. - that did nothing for the crew of Columbia, of course).

I cant find my book about Challenger but this one is recommended https://www.bookdepository.com/Truth-Lies-and-O-Rings-Allan-J.-McDonald/9780813041933?redirected=true&utm_medium=Google&utm_campaign=Base2&utm_source=NZ&utm_content=Truth-Lies-and-O-Rings&selectCurrency=NZD&w=AF7CAU9SHD3C0VA80TC9&pdg=aud-346191234401:pla-309308959159:kwd-309308959159:cmp-947803846:adg-45233890737:crv-225027758853:pid-9780813041933:dev-c&gclid=CjwKCAjwscDpBRBnEiwAnQ0HQJcod2fcTj-ZgnDD33D3Xj8bR62LKhabzaegbGe8UhfFjF0cZOh4KBoC65kQA vD_BwE

[BMWST?]

I am with the other fella who has already said that if it didnt happen an awful lot of people are keeping quiet about it.

[F5 Dave]

Well. . . Colonel Sanders kept the 11 herbs and spices under wraps for ages. Guessing Husi will post a link for that. . .

[husaberg]

Well. . . Colonel Sanders kept the 11 herbs and spices under wraps for ages. Guessing Husi will post a link for that. . .

Oh hell no but i do know he only served a year in the army in cuba as a waggon steerer in 1906
so the whole Colonel was a bit of a reach.

[MD]

I was asked yesterday if I remembered the Moon landing in 69. lol (it happened as I recall at night).
I was 20 years old,terribly pissed,and in some sheilas flat in Majoribank St', Wgton.
A fine effort as later I climbed on the roof of my near new Ford Escort and dented it (popped it out from inside !).
Yes I remember well !!!!!!!!!! :rolleyes::clap::banana:

I was nine mate. It was a moment to remember forever. A billion years in the making and we stepped on to another planet!.
The polite word for your back then was ...rascal. Today you would be a f'ing nutcase. Certainly not Police material!
ps-it's a twisted world. Next week I start working for the Police. My sainthood should arrive in the post in a week or so. Give me a call Gaz.

[husaberg]

Something I was told a while ago (at work, by an optics scientist): the moon landings left retroreflector corner cubes behind, those three mirrors set at right angles to form one corner of a cube, the same things used in cats-eyes. Of course they're still there and still functional today. It's possible to shoot a laser from the ground and see the return pulse.

Yes, you need a very powerful laser. You need to know where to aim. You also need pricey gear to see the return clearly since the return is attenuated by 99%, ie astronomy-grade telescopes and powered tracking, with a rack of computers and instruments separating signal from noise. 1% does come back.

It's just that all that gear screams "scientists in league with..." though, it isn't exactly something that the average pub going punter can assess at a glance... sometimes people believe what they want to believe.

Not a big bang fan then?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e5CtbbZL-k

[SaferRides]

Did it? my first memory of TV was being woken up by my parents to watch that event
It was 8:17 am in NZ on 21 July when they landed. And no live TV back then 'cos we didn't have a deesh.

[merv]

I was asked yesterday if I remembered the Moon landing in 69. lol (it happened as I recall at night).
I was 20 years old,terribly pissed,and in some sheilas flat in Majoribank St', Wgton.
A fine effort as later I climbed on the roof of my near new Ford Escort and dented it (popped it out from inside !).
Yes I remember well !!!!!!!!!! :rolleyes::clap::banana:

Ah Gaz, you don't remember it well a all because of that sheila. The landing on the moon was in daylight time for us at 8.18am and the first step on the moon was at 2.56pm lol.

[roogazza]

Ah Gaz, you don't remember it well a all because of that sheila. The landing on the moon was in daylight time for us at 8.18am and the first step on the moon was at 2.56pm lol.

Haha, I was more pissed off having dented my roof Merv lol. Must have been a re play huh ?
( As MD said earlier fine material who joined the Police in 73 !!!! ) hahahaha
The things we do huh !! I turned out ok though ...:crazy::banana:

[Grumph]

It was 8:17 am in NZ on 21 July when they landed. And no live TV back then 'cos we didn't have a deesh.

Live on the radio. Delayed coverage on TV. Played over and over as soon as they got the tape. From memory, they started playing it just short of midday and kept going till early evening. With each main center being separate channels then, I think locally they taped what came from Auckland - and replayed it.
Other centers may have played it for different lengths of time.

[mashman]

And we'll never go back. I saw this on the internet and it fits perfectly and coz it's moving pictures on the tellybox, it has to be true.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WoM2bHfr48

[F5 Dave]

From a distance the world looks blue and green,
and the snow-capped mountains white.
From a distance the ocean meets the stream,
and the eagle takes to flight.

From a distance, there is harmony,
and it echoes through the land.
It's the voice of hope, it's the voice of peace,
it's the voice of every man.

From a distance we all have enough,
and no one is in need.
And there are no guns, no bombs, and no disease,
no hungry mouths to feed.

From a distance we are instruments
marching in a common band.
Playing songs of hope, playing songs of peace.
They're the songs of every man.
God is watching us. God is watching us.
God is watching us from a distance

And masterbating

[Bald Eagle]

Haha, I was more pissed off having dented my roof Merv lol. Must have been a re play huh ?
( As MD said earlier fine material who joined the Police in 73 !!!! ) hahahaha
The things we do huh !! I turned out ok though ...:crazy::banana:Funny 73 was the year I joined the Police as well

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[jasonu]

You must have been seriously pissed because it happened during the day. We listened to it during 3rd form science.

On the wireless?

[jasonu]

So explain why no Shuttle is flying now.

Too expensive old chap.

[jasonu]

. . . I was kinda meaning the Television station :lol:

Presented by Philip Sherry no doubt.

[nodrog]

It's like going to murapara, it's in the middle of nowhere, it costs a bit to get there, once you are there you realise there is nothing valuable to be gained by being there, so you just tick if off your list of "experiences".

If the moon landing was faked, it must mean the world really is flat. There's about the same number of people keeping that a secret too....

[jasonu]

It's like going to murapara, it's in the middle of nowhere, it costs a bit to get there, once you are there you realise there is nothing valuable to be gained by being there, so you just tick if off your list of "experiences".

If the moon landing was faked, it must mean the world really is flat. There's about the same number of people keeping that a secret too....

The big difference is you are way more likely to be beaten up by some Murrays at Murapara than on the moon.

[Kickaha]

It's like going to murapara, it's in the middle of nowhere, it costs a bit to get there, once you are there you realise there is nothing valuable to be gained by being there, so you just tick if off your list of "experiences"..

1988 I rode right through and didn't bother stopping

[F5 Dave]

Is it like Kaikohe? I tried to wind the windows up until I realised bikes don't have any.

[Swoop]

Agreed. Every now and then I take a peek at their discussions and it honestly hurts my head. Like actually.
I asked my Flat Earther mate if he fancied a game of football in the park.
"Sure thing" he said.." I'll bring the Frisbee"


Something I was told a while ago (at work, by an optics scientist): the moon landings left retroreflector corner cubes behind, those three mirrors set at right angles to form one corner of a cube, the same things used in cats-eyes. Of course they're still there and still functional today. It's possible to shoot a laser from the ground and see the return pulse.
Apollo 11, 14 & 15 each left a reflector on the surface. They are still in use.
The laser beam fired at them is approx 6.5km wide by the time it gets to the moon's surface.

[F5 Dave]

Just started listening to this


https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w13xttx2

[F5 Dave]

Ok you have to listen to these podcasts. Either direct or just search for 13 minutes to the moon on a podcast player app.

Its 4am, can't sleep but these are great..

[oldrider]

How Stanley Kubrick Staged the Moon Landing? - Really? - :scratch: - https://www.theparisreview.org/blog/2019/07/18/how-stanley-kubrick-staged-the-moon-landing-and-other-stories/ - :confused:

How great it was to be alive to witness the moment when man conquered space and landed on the moon - if it ever proves to be a lie the disappointment would be earth shattering! :facepalm:

[Paulo]

Did it really happen, or not?:corn:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_loUDS4c3Cs

[iYRe]

Anyone we know?
Pretty much anyone on this forum :P (the guy in the show is Mike Bara)

Old Rider: in this show "Truth behind the moon landings" (2019) they spoke to the guy who did all the lunar surface stuff from 2001 a space odyssey, and he said, and I quote: I was the only person at the time who was doing this, the only one who could do this, Kubrick couldnt have done it without me, and I didnt have any part in it... yes, I did fabricate some stuff regarding the moon landing - I made some animations for a news outlet to demonstrate how the landing took place. The very idea that anyone would be able to fake this is preposterous, not to mention downright offensive and insulting to those people who risked their lives to further humanity. I would not have had any part of it had I been asked."

It is really worth watching, because they take ALL the major conspiracy theories; staged for a movie, photos all faked, couldnt re-enter the atmosphere, cant fly the lunar lander, evidence is all missing, cant see the stuff on the moon (bollocks, there are plenty of photos, but even from the hubble, 1 pixel is 600 square miles of lunar surface - they have to use special kit in space to do it), all the lighting on the moon is wrong, the radiation in the van allen belts would h ave killed them.. etc etc. If you know a conspiracy theorist.. this will give you proper scientific evidence and eyewitness testimony which is pretty much irrefutable.

For my part, i just enjoyed the expression on Mike Bara's face each time he was made to look silly by science

[F5 Dave]

At the peak they had 400,000 people working in NASA on Apollo project. Wow! They weren't jerking around huh?

There were a couple of programs last night which were once over lightly but entertaining.

I'm enjoying the BBC podcast I listed before just slowly getting through it and getting more geeky about it. Guess this stuff had slipped out of my attn for decades.

Apparently Apollo 7 was a huge success that was turning point towards getting it all working.

[iYRe]

They had to stop using it because NASA couldn't afford the rego.
It'll be back in the air soon though, now that it's a classic
:bleh:

ACC wanted to charge them 586 trillion in levies in case someone kayaking in the milford sound hurt their big toe.

[Banditbandit]

Well. . . Colonel Sanders kept the 11 herbs and spices under wraps for ages. Guessing Husi will post a link for that. . .

11 Spices – Mix With 2 Cups White Fl.

2/3 Ts Salt
1/2 Ts Thyme
1/2 Ts Basil
1/3 Ts Oregano
1 Ts Celery salt
1 Ts Black pepper
1 Ts Dried mustard
4 Ts Paprika
2 Ts Garlic salt
1 Ts Ground ginger
3 Ts White pepper

[oldrider]

11 Spices – Mix With 2 Cups White Fl.

2/3 Ts Salt
1/2 Ts Thyme
1/2 Ts Basil
1/3 Ts Oregano
1 Ts Celery salt
1 Ts Black pepper
1 Ts Dried mustard
4 Ts Paprika
2 Ts Garlic salt
1 Ts Ground ginger
3 Ts White pepper

So there is truth to the rumour after all. - :yeah:

[husaberg]

11 Spices – Mix With 2 Cups White Fl.

2/3 Ts Salt
1/2 Ts Thyme
1/2 Ts Basil
1/3 Ts Oregano
1 Ts Celery salt
1 Ts Black pepper
1 Ts Dried mustard
4 Ts Paprika
2 Ts Garlic salt
1 Ts Ground ginger
3 Ts White pepper

The Flour was why he had started dressing in a White suit as his original black one used to show the flour spills.
His big innovation other than his hipster beard was the use of a pressure fryer to speed up the cooking.

[F5 Dave]

October probably 16th 1997 I was quite drunk and in a van headed to watch the GP in Philip Island, they stopped for dinner at a KFC. I hadn't eaten it for a couple years. Even drunk it was dreadful and I haven't had it since. Pity Nandos is so expensive. It's at least edible.

[oldrider]

Huge Explosion Recorded On Moon – NASA Warn “Earth Is Next”? - Really? - :scratch: - https://newspunch.com/explosion-moon-nasa-earth/ - :corn:

[SaferRides]

Huge Explosion Recorded On Moon – NASA Warn “Earth Is Next”? - Really? - :scratch: - https://newspunch.com/explosion-moon-nasa-earth/ - :corn:Really. It doesn't even have reach the ground. Imagine an airburst like the one over Siberia above a densely populated area.

[HenryDorsetCase]

October probably 16th 1997 I was quite drunk and in a van headed to watch the GP in Philip Island, they stopped for dinner at a KFC. I hadn't eaten it for a couple years. Even drunk it was dreadful and I haven't had it since. Pity Nandos is so expensive. It's at least edible.

Find a decent Korean or Chinese restaurant, get the five spice chicken. You're welcome.

[jellywrestler]

proof that there's crime on the moon

[James Deuce]

Ok then.

A car, why a car? Where were they going & where was it stored & how did they unload it?
Because a helicopter wouldn't have worked. Durrrr.

[GazzaH]

The rover was cool - a lightweight, collapsible frame that was stowed on the lander, released with not much more than a pull on the rope. The wheels/tyres were innovative too: lightweight wire mesh doughnuts that wouldn't bog down in the dusty surface layer but had enough grip to climb crater rims safely. No AA to call out if they got stuck!

Sure beats my Rover. One of the least impressive bits of British engineering I've had the misfortune to drive, worse even than the TR7 though not quite as bad as a mate's Austin All Aggro.

[Laava]

The rover was cool - a lightweight, collapsible frame that was stowed on the lander, released with not much more than a pull on the rope. The wheels/tyres were innovative too: lightweight wire mesh doughnuts that wouldn't bog down in the dusty surface layer but had enough grip to climb crater rims safely. No AA to call out if they got stuck!

Sure beats my Rover. One of the least impressive bits of British engineering I've had the misfortune to drive, worse even than the TR7 though not quite as bad as a mate's Austin All Aggro.
Lol, and the Allegro was a peach compared to the Maxi...

[F5 Dave]

Find a decent Korean or Chinese restaurant, get the five spice chicken. You're welcome.
Think I've had Korean out of a caravan so not a fair test. Decent Chinese restaurants aren't common. Bland ones are. We are blessed here with fantastic Thai and Malaysian ones though.

[nzspokes]

Its in the papers so must be real. I wondered why i kept these. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190723/9dc84a344da2e18606b6ebed00c1f49b.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190723/ed90c716b9b8957c1d64312875e667bc.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190723/b19570ce34e16cda93affe1e176430eb.jpg

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[Berries]

Lol, and the Allegro was a peach compared to the Maxi...
My brother has had several, he loves them. The only major issue was the front wheel falling off when we came to turn in to our driveway after taking it out to see how fast it would go.

[Laava]

My brother has had several, he loves them. The only major issue was the front wheel falling off when we came to turn in to our driveway after taking it out to see how fast it would go.
They all do that!

[F5 Dave]

Aka the Pregnant Rollerskate

They kinda looked like an Alfa from the front grile but got worse as you moved back.

[Drew]

I was always kind of impressed with the Austin Maxi.
Roomy as fuck, comfy ride. I recall them having a weak clutch though.

[jellywrestler]

I was always kind of impressed with the Austin Maxi.
Roomy as fuck, comfy ride. I recall them having a weak clutch though.

the princess was the weapon, used to have one in our tramping club and the boot was so large it just swalloed all we could throw at it.

[F5 Dave]

Actually I think I was referring to the Princess now you mentioned it. Tried to get it out of my memory. Gaah, I now remember entering some competition multiple times to win one which is when Dad notices and starts pouring scorn. He'd already been scared by Austin ownership when they were perhaps worse.

He would have just swapped the Holden for an Alfa by then so perhaps throwing stones in a glass house

[pete376403]

Taking the transverse/ FWD inflated Morris 1100 concept to extremes, the Tasman and Kimberly were "interesting"

[pete376403]

Actually I think I was referring to the Princess now you mentioned it. Tried to get it out of my memory. Gaah, I now remember entering some competition multiple times to win one which is when Dad notices and starts pouring scorn. He'd already been scared by Austin ownership when they were perhaps worse.

He would have just swapped the Holden for an Alfa by then so perhaps throwing stones in a glass house

Nothing that wasn't a station wagon could touch a Leyland P76 for "large boot space"

[buggerit]

Nothing that wasn't a station wagon could touch a Leyland P76 for "large boot space"

Yep, you could put a 44 gallon drum in the boot and shut the lid, although I did get a double bed mattress in the boot
of the Vaiiant Regal, from memory, it also could hold 21 big bottle crates.

[Laava]

Yep, you could put a 44 gallon drum in the boot and shut the lid, although I did get a double bed mattress in the boot
of the Vaiiant Regal, from memory, it also could hold 21 big bottle crates.
Ah, the old crates! A seat with a party inside!

[oldrider]

Nothing that wasn't a station wagon could touch a Leyland P76 for "large boot space"

I know where there is/was? one of those in a shed on a farm and it only has a few miles/kilometres on the speedo - deceased estate. - (knew the owner well) :mellow:

[Swoop]

The rover was cool - a lightweight, collapsible frame that was stowed on the lander, released with not much more than a pull on the rope. The wheels/tyres were innovative too: lightweight wire mesh doughnuts that wouldn't bog down in the dusty surface layer but had enough grip to climb crater rims safely.

A fascinating study in design - and how to get it on board the tiny space on the lander.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbcKdD1vFH8

[GazzaH]

Thanks for that. Curious 1950s music background but interesting anyway.

I wonder if they ever considered sending a motorbike or trike? These days, a hoverboard thing might even do it, or an electric bicycle. Or a small jetpack.

And a vehicle that drove itself to the next landing site would mean no need to take another - maybe some new batteries, upgraded cup-holders, Bluetooth connectivity, fluffy dice, that sort of thing.

[OddDuck]

Just saw the Apollo 11 doco at the NZIFF... it is outstanding!! Amazing to watch.

[jasonu]

Its in the papers so must be real. I wondered why i kept these. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190723/9dc84a344da2e18606b6ebed00c1f49b.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190723/ed90c716b9b8957c1d64312875e667bc.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190723/b19570ce34e16cda93affe1e176430eb.jpg

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The Dominion says it happened.
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[F5 Dave]

I've been bingeing on moony stuff. So much I didn't know., bit young I guess.

Apollo 8 was the first to orbit the moon, followed by 9 and 10. 11 of course the first to land but they landed 6 times. Was supposed to be 9 but budget cuts.

[pzkpfw]

I've been bingeing on moony stuff. So much I didn't know., bit young I guess.

Apollo 8 was the first to orbit the moon, followed by 9 and 10. 11 of course the first to land but they landed 6 times. Was supposed to be 9 but budget cuts.

The series "From the earth to the moon" was excellent if you're getting into this stuff. Think "Band of brothers" for Apollo.

Really shows the development and lead up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_Earth_to_the_Moon_(miniseries)

[slofox]

We listened to the radio broadcast of the landing. I remember sitting on the bed with our 3 month and 3 week old son. He's fifty now...I must fuckin' blinked! :blink:

[Voltaire]

Moon tune.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goh2x_G0ct4

[F5 Dave]

Another podcast covering it is Ourfakehistory
He doesn't usually do conspiracy theories but made an exception for the moon landings.

Actually it is a good podcast series to learn a bit of history and try and temper out some long standing historical myths with a basis from modern understanding and identifying which sources are credible and which vested or deemed unreliable.

[oldrider]

Cross the English Channel on a jet-powered hoverboard? -:shit: - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7319143/French-inventor-Franky-Zapata-person-successfully-cross-English-Channel.html - :niceone:

[merv]

Cross the English Channel on a jet-powered hoverboard? -:shit: - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7319143/French-inventor-Franky-Zapata-person-successfully-cross-English-Channel.html - :niceone:

Great, but interesting he couldn't do it without a refuel stop, but then I don't think Marty McFly flew over water that far either.

[husaberg]

Great, but interesting he couldn't do it without a refuel stop, but then I don't think Marty McFly flew over water that far either.

22 minutes including a refuling stop for about 26 miles yet he sau=ys it does 85MPH
It must have taken a while to refuel
Off you link.
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/08/05/01/16889248-7319143-image-a-50_1564963506862.jpg
it needs 1250hp to lift on man and 85lbs of fuel?

[onearmedbandit]

it needs 1250hp to lift on man and 85lbs of fuel?

Are you forgetting about the (claimed) top speed of 110mph?

[husaberg]

Are you forgetting about the (claimed) top speed of 110mph?

Yeah but i guess the fuel efficiency at that speed might have called for 2 refueling stops.
The 100 hours of training might be a bit of the hurdle to general use.

[onearmedbandit]

Yeah but i guess the fuel efficiency at that speed might have called for 2 refueling stops.
The 100 hours of training might be a bit of the hurdle to general use.

Nah I was referring to your comment of 1250hp required to lift one man and 85lbs of fuel. But yeah 100hrs training is a lot for the average Joe.

[husaberg]

Nah I was referring to your comment of 1250hp required to lift one man and 85lbs of fuel. But yeah 100hrs training is a lot for the average Joe.

Okay
i rate it up there with the h2O2 Rocket pack looks cool, but not really useful in real terms.
You could build or buy a gyo or fly a para-motor for under the cost of fuel for a week for the hoverboard.

[oldrider]

Nah I was referring to your comment of 1250hp required to lift one man and 85lbs of fuel. But yeah 100hrs training is a lot for the average Joe.


Okay
i rate it up there with the h2O2 Rocket pack looks cool, but not really useful in real terms.
You could build or buy a gyo or fly a para-motor for under the cost of fuel for a week for the hoverboard.

Can't you just see someone building a mini "Harrier jet" using those tiny jet engines? - Now that will be interesting! . :cool:

[F5 Dave]

Just read the Listener (we steal Dads 2 week old mags).

I never realised that the Russians beat the 'mercans to the moon.

Easier without meatsacks inside of course.

Heading Nasa Jet Propulsion Lab during Ranger, which reached the moon was Pickering, a Wellingtonian! What a career.

And to answer a question a ways back; PM Holyoake ordered an NZDF plane to fly the newsreel from Sydney so it could be played that night. Auss had satellite feed to ABC, NZ still relied on copies made and flown on commercial planes for world news.

[Laava]

Can't you just see someone building a mini "Harrier jet" using those tiny jet engines? - Now that will be interesting! . :cool:
Your idea....get on with it!

[jasonu]

Just read the Listener .

God is that heap of shit still going???

[HenryDorsetCase]

Can't you just see someone building a mini "Harrier jet" using those tiny jet engines? - Now that will be interesting! . :cool:

I have a lawn chair and a gazebo that fell to bits that we could cannibalise for parts!

[F5 Dave]

God is that heap of shit still going???
You'd be surprised. That and North and South are the best mags about for investigative journalism these days. They kind of matured when they needed to stand alone as something other than a TV guide for people who couldn't operate technology.

As the newspapers shed their staff because they no longer have advertising money to pay them, the decent ones found employment elsewhere or as freelancers I guess. Pick one up when next over. Yes there is a bunch of filler for the Reality TV audience but there's usually a couple of solid features.

Not enough to pay for it myself of course :msn-wink:

[oldrider]

I have a lawn chair and a gazebo that fell to bits that we could cannibalise for parts!

:lol: Many a true word spoken in jest as they say - Sometimes that's about all it takes. :wait: ( for me time is the scarce factor, damn it!)