Road registration of your modified bike

[lozz900]

Hi I'm 18 months into a build of a road bike..
It's been an interesting road.. major vs minor mod, LVV, VTNZ, brake decs, vin plates, weld procedures, permissible light lenses, theres a few hoops to jump though..
I'm getting to the tail end of it and have a couple of silly questions that will inevitably trip me up on WOF day.. I figure theres people out there that have been down this road and would offer their advice..
1... can make my own hard brake lines..
2... do all the dash lights outside of required have to work on wof day.
3... what's the rules around front fenders , minimum coverage..
Thanks in advance chaps

[husaberg]

Hi I'm 18 months into a build of a road bike..
It's been an interesting road.. major vs minor mod, LVV, VTNZ, brake decs, vin plates, weld procedures, permissible light lenses, theres a few hoops to jump though..
I'm getting to the tail end of it and have a couple of silly questions that will inevitably trip me up on WOF day.. I figure theres people out there that have been down this road and would offer their advice..
1... can make my own hard brake lines..
2... do all the dash lights outside of required have to work on wof day.
3... what's the rules around front fenders , minimum coverage..
Thanks in advance chaps

Pics please
talk to this dude
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/186984-road-bike-project-scratch-built

[jellywrestler]

Hi I'm 18 months into a build of a road bike..
It's been an interesting road.. major vs minor mod, LVV, VTNZ, brake decs, vin plates, weld procedures, permissible light lenses, theres a few hoops to jump though..
I'm getting to the tail end of it and have a couple of silly questions that will inevitably trip me up on WOF day.. I figure theres people out there that have been down this road and would offer their advice..
1... can make my own hard brake lines..
2... do all the dash lights outside of required have to work on wof day.
3... what's the rules around front fenders , minimum coverage..
Thanks in advance chaps

ask the LVV person whose doing it, after all they're the ones who will be certifying it.
i was talking with one two weeks ago, i know rear fenders need to cover a third of the wheel, but it doesn't say which third....
required dash lights are indicator and high beam, and illumination of dash, nothing else is warrantable just like your radio isn't

[lozz900]

I need a rear fender ? The bike itself is the fender I'd have thought..
I'll try put up a pic

[jellywrestler]

I need a rear fender ? The bike itself is the fender I'd have thought..
I'll try put up a pic

I thought you came on here looking for advice, not to tell people they're wrong when they do impart their knowledge, you don't have to convince me, or others on here, it's your certifier who will be giving it a tick or not.
Have you downloaded a copy of the rules yet?

[lozz900]

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[lozz900]

Settle jelly... I was asking a question..
According to my certifier the is no rule book for bikes..
I thought this forum might give me a hint about what's getting approved and what's not..

[jellywrestler]

Settle jelly... I was asking a question..
According to my certifier the is no rule book for bikes..
I thought this forum might give me a hint about what's getting approved and what's not..

is 'your certifier' able to certify bikes?

when did they tell you 'there is no rule book for bikes'?

[lozz900]

Yes , certified for a host of classes including motorcycles , major and minor mods.. Its probably been 8-9 months since we spoke..
He said theres a builders handbook for cars but no such handbook for motorcycles. He may have said a handbook for trikes was in the making though..

[jellywrestler]

Yes , certified for a host of classes including motorcycles , major and minor mods.. Its probably been 8-9 months since we spoke..
He said theres a builders handbook for cars but no such handbook for motorcycles. He may have said a handbook for trikes was in the making though..
8-9 months ago we were allowed big fuck off guns in nz and plastic bags......

[lozz900]

Hehe yeah I know.. and a couple of trailer hitch guys, WOF guys and certifiers have been pinged . I know I'm in trouble no matter how hard I try..

[F5 Dave]

You would totally want a hugger to stop detritus coming off the rear tyre into those exposed bellmouths. Guess that would constitute 1/3rd and be relatively unobtrusive.

What do you mean hard brakelines? Generally flexibility is a good thing. My old RD had a bent tube section but why they didn't just make the line full length:scratch:.

Lines need certification type labels. Crowd in Auckland do HEL lines. Used to be Alert but bought out by some rally guy.

[98tls]

More pics would be good fella,nice looking bike from what i can see,changed a few things on my old Suzuki over the years but havent had to go down the cert road,ran into a few questions re after binning tailight and all the plastic that went with it and fitting an undertray they wanted a red reflector blah blah which was easy sorted,oddly enough they have never mentioned anything about the later model GSXR front end and aftermarket rims etc on an old V-twin.:wacko:As i said more pics if you will.

[lozz900]

You would totally want a hugger to stop detritus coming off the rear tyre into those exposed bellmouths. Guess that would constitute 1/3rd and be relatively unobtrusive.

What do you mean hard brakelines? Generally flexibility is a good thing. My old RD had a bent tube section but why they didn't just make the line full length:scratch:.

Lines need certification type labels. Crowd in Auckland do HEL lines. Used to be Alert but bought out by some rally guy.

I'm not totally against a rear hugger.. 1/3 coverage is a big number though... I talked again to the certifier yesterday and he hinted there may be some flexibility there as some out of the box sports bikes dont meet the criteria either..
Because these motors are RH output the brake line probably has to go up and over... I cant have the chain spitting off and wiping out the brakes.. I thought the tidiest way would be hard metal tubing like cars and a flexible down by the caliper.. I looked at hel and venhill... venhill is bsp adaptors and hel has all types inc metric. I think metric is the way to go as theres plenty of fittings out there..

[FJRider]

Settle jelly... I was asking a question..
According to my certifier the is no rule book for bikes..
I thought this forum might give me a hint about what's getting approved and what's not..

It is a legal requirement in New Zealand that any aftermarket brake lines you fit to your vehicle have been certified for use in New Zealand.

[lozz900]

It is a legal requirement in New Zealand that any aftermarket brake lines you fit to your vehicle have been certified for use in New Zealand.

With flexible brake lines yes.. the hard lines seem more grey. I talked to an automotive supplier the day and they said they had never had to supply any paperwork with hard lines or fittings, which suprised me..
I dont fully understand that yet

[FJRider]

I need a rear fender ? The bike itself is the fender I'd have thought..
I'll try put up a pic

https://vehicleinspection.nzta.govt.nz/virms/in-service-wof-and-cof/motorcycles/tyres,-wheels-and-hubs/mudguards

[FJRider]

With flexible brake lines yes.. the hard lines seem more grey. I talked to an automotive supplier the day and they said they had never had to supply any paperwork with hard lines or fittings, which suprised me..
I dont fully understand that yet

Do what you like. Fit what you like. Let us know how you got on.

You asked questions ... we gave the legal as per answers.

Good luck.

[FJRider]

With flexible brake lines yes.. the hard lines seem more grey. I talked to an automotive supplier the day and they said they had never had to supply any paperwork with hard lines or fittings, which suprised me..
I dont fully understand that yet

Hard lines are still brake lines to the pedantic vehicle inspector.

[lozz900]

Do what you like. Fit what you like. Let us know how you got on.

You asked questions ... we gave the legal as per answers.

Good luck.

Yes and thankyou.. the rules and reality seem to differ..
I just looked at 4 other out of the box bikes and not one fender covers 1/3 I dont think it's as black and white as some suggest..
Whatever the " legal as per answers" say

[lozz900]

Hard lines are still brake lines to the pedantic vehicle inspector.

That's what I figure also..
Weird that venhill say they're dot rated but their banjos have no markings.. so who knows what's legit and what's not..

[FJRider]

Yes and thankyou.. the rules and reality seem to differ..
I just looked at 4 other out of the box bikes and not one fender covers 1/3 I dont think it's as black and white as some suggest..
Whatever the " legal as per answers" say

This is the rule (Guideline ??) in Aussie ...

https://motorbikewriter.com/motorcycle-tail-tidy-legal/

[FJRider]

Hi I'm 18 months into a build of a road bike..

What is the legal status of the bike ... in the system (ie: Rego on hold) or not ??

[lozz900]

What is the legal status of the bike ... in the system (ie: Rego on hold) or not ??

Historically registered in nz, I had a vin plate fitted before I started. So I should be able to reregister it and get the mods signed off in one hit..
It's the way to go because from a compliance perspective . I dont have to pass things like emissions

[FJRider]

Historically registered in nz, I had a vin plate fitted before I started. So I should be able to reregister it and get the mods signed off in one hit..
It's the way to go because from a compliance perspective . I dont have to pass things like emissions

What inspection was done for the new vin plate ???

Warning ... once a few mod's are noticed ... they may start looking harder at it.

[jellywrestler]

Historically registered in nz, I had a vin plate fitted before I started. So I should be able to reregister it and get the mods signed off in one hit..
It's the way to go because from a compliance perspective . I dont have to pass things like emissions

so what are the rules on emissions then?

[lozz900]

What inspection was done for the new vin plate ???

Warning ... once a few mod's are noticed ... they may start looking harder at it.

So I had a chassis and a number plate only, no engine..
Land transport had my plate and and an engine number only in their system from the 80s
I had to apply to get the chassis number I had attributed to the plate I had.. VTNZ inspected my chassis to verify it was in fact what I claimed it was. They accepted the match up and put a vin plate on... straightforward but the boxes had to be ticked and no guarantee they would accept it...
I'm being up front about the modification. My certifier is my connection with the system..Theres 2 roads, major modification and minor modification. Structure vs non roughly.

[lozz900]

so what are the rules on emissions then?

So my understang is... if the chassis originally had an identical engine in it , then its seen as a resurrection with modifications as opposed to a scratch built.. the rules that apply classic rebuild are not crazy loud but no gas analysis
A scratch build has to comply by today's emission rules which would attract a gas analysis..
Can anyone else offer insight on this ?

[F5 Dave]

That would be scary. My 250 has a different manufacturer's 350 taken to 500 witha 3rds aftermarket parts and is a dirty 2 stroke to boot. Fortunately no one asked for emissions so it must be riding on the 1983 chassis exemption, or at least 10yr ago when I rushed it into the system in case they got stricter.

[FJRider]

So I had a chassis and a number plate only, no engine..
Land transport had my plate and and an engine number only in their system from the 80s
I had to apply to get the chassis number I had attributed to the plate I had.. VTNZ inspected my chassis to verify it was in fact what I claimed it was. They accepted the match up and put a vin plate on... straightforward but the boxes had to be ticked and no guarantee they would accept it...
I'm being up front about the modification. My certifier is my connection with the system..Theres 2 roads, major modification and minor modification. Structure vs non roughly.

Perhaps ... get it legal first. WOF and Reg. THEN make the mods. Only the WOF check guy to argue with. Not NZTA inspectors with a mandate to uphold.

[FJRider]

So my understang is... if the chassis originally had an identical engine in it , then its seen as a resurrection with modifications as opposed to a scratch built.. the rules that apply classic rebuild are not crazy loud but no gas analysis
A scratch build has to comply by today's emission rules which would attract a gas analysis..
Can anyone else offer insight on this ?


Vehicles registered with antique plates and vehicles more than 25 years old with regular passenger plates must pass safety, but not emissions, tests. Motorcycles and vehicles older than 1975 are exempt from testing. Vehicles 25 years and older are exempt from testing.
Dec 2, 2009

Happy reading ...

https://www.nzta.govt.nz/roads-and-rail/highways-information-portal/technical-disciplines/air-quality-climate/vehicles/exhaust-emission-standards/

[lozz900]

Perhaps ... get it legal first. WOF and Reg. THEN make the mods. Only the WOF check guy to argue with. Not NZTA inspectors with a mandate to uphold.

Yes in an ideal world I'd have thought. The certifier is confident it can happen on the same day. He gives it a WOF then wheels it straight into VTNZ on the same day and then they give it a WOF.
Theres obviously a relationship...as you would expect.

[lozz900]

Thanks fj for your inputs..
I've basically done as the certifier has instructed..
It seems I'm on track ish ..

[jellywrestler]

Can anyone else offer insight on this ? your certifier?

[lozz900]

your certifier?

Yea that's who I'm leaning on.. it's nice to confirm stuff though..
That's why I'm here..

[jellywrestler]

Yea that's who I'm leaning on.. it's nice to confirm stuff though..
That's why I'm here..

yeah i get customers like that often, 'but the guy on the internet...."

[jellywrestler]

Yea that's who I'm leaning on.. it's nice to confirm stuff though..
That's why I'm here..

the fun part is you pay your cash over for a check, it fails, you have 28 days for a recheck, ok for a warrant but for a redesign it's a little more fun and a lot more coin to throw away.

[lozz900]

That is a valid point. A redesign would be a serious pain in the ass...

[scumdog]

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Nice!

Just needs a rear fender....

[Laava]

Perhaps ... get it legal first. WOF and Reg. THEN make the mods. Only the WOF check guy to argue with. Not NZTA inspectors with a mandate to uphold.
And whatever you do, don't discuss it on the internet...

[lozz900]

And whatever you do, don't discuss it on the internet...

Dont discuss the sensitive bits ;)

[FJRider]

And whatever you do, don't discuss it on the internet...

Any NZTA Inspectors on KB .. ??? :confused:

[scumdog]

Dont discuss the sensitive bits ;)

Like labia and clitoris?

[FJRider]

Like labia and clitoris?

What's the likelihood of either being seen on his bike ... :whistle: