Should we prosecute Phil Collins?

[F5 Dave]

For his crimes against 80s music?

Exhibit A:
There's this girl that's been on my mind
All the time, Su-Sussudio
Oh oh
Now she don't even know my name
But I think she likes me just the same
Su-Sussudio
Woah oh

I mean Genesis take some of the blame for hiring their drummer as a lead singer replacement. Jeez, couldn't you have put an add in the paper at least?


I don't think that a lynch mob is any justice to be considered. But surely criminal charges should be long overdue.

And it gets worse. A litany of bland annoying songs that all sound the same just played backward or sideways with dreary lyrics.

Truly punishment has been delayed too long?

[Laava]

Problem is, what next? Bryan Adams? And heaven forbid I should mention Nickleback? Chris deBurgh...
Hmmmm, try a bit of no nonsense T Rex to calm the farm...

[TheDemonLord]

Whilst not a massive Genesis fan, nor a Massive Phil Collins fan, I think your accusation is unfounded, Musically there is a lot of very interesting (but subtle) things in his Music.


And let us not forget, without Phil Collins, we wouldn't have a Man in a Gorilla suit playing the breakdown from 'In the air tonight'

[F5 Dave]

Problem is, what next? Bryan Adams? And heaven forbid I should mention Nickleback? Chris deBurgh...
Hmmmm, try a bit of no nonsense T Rex to calm the farm...
Ooh. Chris deBurgh. Good point. Burn Him.

[F5 Dave]

Whilst not a massive Genesis fan, nor a Massive Phil Collins fan, I think your accusation is unfounded, Musically there is a lot of very interesting (but subtle) things in his Music.


And let us not forget, without Phil Collins, we wouldn't have a Man in a Gorilla suit playing the breakdown from 'In the air tonight'
Genesis was weird and abstract. Try reading the centre art/storyof a Lamb lies down on Broadway. Pre Collins of course.

Genesis Collin's era was pop pulp, bland boring McDonald's music for 2ZM etc radio, . Then it got worse when he went solo, played every hour on the hour. Fuck it was miserable and made you despair for the future of humanity where the music was annoying as the adds.

Thank Fuck for Childrens Hour and Sisters of Mercy.

[F5 Dave]

Phil Collins never wrote lyrics like this

I like your stories
I love your gun
Shooting out truck tires
Sounds like loads and loads of fun

. .,

I'm about to drop
My head's a mess
The only salvation is
I'll never see you again


You give me head
It makes it worse
Take out your fuckin' retainer
Put it in your purse


I'm too drunk to fuck
You're to drunk to fuck


Too drunk to fuck

[Berries]

Phil Collins never wrote lyrics like this

I like your stories
I love your gun
Shooting out truck tires
Sounds like loads and loads of fun

. .,

I'm about to drop
My head's a mess
The only salvation is
I'll never see you again


You give me head
It makes it worse
Take out your fuckin' retainer
Put it in your purse


I'm too drunk to fuck
You're to drunk to fuck


Too drunk to fuck
Is that The Wiggles?

[TheDemonLord]

Genesis was weird and abstract. Try reading the centre art/storyof a Lamb lies down on Broadway. Pre Collins of course.

Genesis Collin's era was pop pulp, bland boring McDonald's music for 2ZM etc radio, . Then it got worse when he went solo, played every hour on the hour. Fuck it was miserable and made you despair for the future of humanity where the music was annoying as the adds.

Thank Fuck for Childrens Hour and Sisters of Mercy.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnzFRV1LwIo

[Berries]

'kin Youtube won't let me post one of his proper drum solos.

[Laava]

XTC for some mighty fine wordsmithery!

[F5 Dave]

Do you Remember?
Against all odds (Take a look at me now)
That's just the way it is
You can't hurry love
It's a groovy kind of love.


Nah. You just can't defend that utter tripe!

[Drew]

I like a few of his songs.

If you want meaningful lyrics though, ya can't beat some of the thrash metal bands.


I see you had your mind all made up you group of pitiful liars.
Before I woke to face the day, your master plan transpired.
Something told me, this job had more to meet the eye.
My song is not believed?
My words somewhat deceiving?
Now I'm unwhole.
You've waged a war of nerves
But you can't crush the kingdom
Can't be what your idols are.
Can't leave the scar.
You cry for compensation.
I ask you please just give us
5 minutes alone
I read your eyes, your mind was made up.
You took me for
A fool.
You used complexion of my skin for a counter
Rascist tool.
You can't burn me, I've spilled my guts out
In the past.
Taken advantage of because you know where
I've come (from) my past.
You've waged a war of nerves
But you can't crush the kingdom
Can't be what your idols are.
Can't leave the scar.
You cry for compensation.
I ask you please just give us
5 minutes alone

[Laava]

This is XTC's Melt the guns. Was going to paste on the firearms thread but didn't want to start another wave of self righteous whining...
<g-expandable-content jsname="YyJftb" class="PZPZlf kno-fb-ctx" data-lyricid="Lyricfind002-241709" jscontroller="wrFDyc" jsaction=";rcuQ6b:npT2md" jsshadow="" aria-hidden="false" data-eb="0" data-mt="0" data-quie="" style="display: block; color: rgb(60, 64, 67); font-family: Roboto-Regular, HelveticaNeue, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); -webkit-transition: none; transition: none;">Programmes of violence,
As entertainment,
Brings the disease into your room.
We know the germ,
Which is man-made in metal,
Is really a key to your own tomb.
Prevention is better than cure,
Bad apples affecting the pure,
You'll gather your senses I'm sure
Then agree to,
Melt the guns,
Melt the guns,
Melt the guns,
And never more to fire them.
Melt the guns,
Melt the guns,
Melt the guns,
And never more desire them.
Children will want them,
Mothers supply them,
As long as your killers are heroes.
And all the media
Will fiddle while Rome burns,
Acting like modern-time Neros.
Prevention is better than cure,
Bad apples affecting the pure,
You'll gather your senses I'm sure
Then agree to,
Melt the guns,
Melt the guns,
Melt the guns,
And never more to fire them.
Melt the guns,
Melt the guns,
Melt the guns,
And never more desire them.
I'm speaking to the Justice League of America.
The you S of A,
Hey you,
Yes you in particular!
When it comes to the judgement day and you're standing at the gates with your weaponry,
You dead go down on one knee,
Clasp your hands in prayer and start quoting me,
'cause we say...
Our father we've managed to contain the epidemic in one place, now,
Let's hope they shoot themselves instead of others,
Help to civilize the race now.
We've trapped the cause of the plague,
In the land of the free and the home of the brave.
If we listen quietly we can hear them shooting from grave to grave.
You ought to,
Melt the guns,
Melt the guns,
Melt the guns,
And never more to fire them.
Melt the guns,
Melt the guns,
Melt the guns,
And never more desire them.
</g-expandable-content>Source: LyricFind (https://www.lyricfind.com/)

[F5 Dave]

I believe it's a myth that Nero fiddled while (a bit of) Rome burned. He was away, although he did play musical instruments which was looked down upon as a common thing and quite un-emporor like.

[F5 Dave]

80s radio was a shit smear of dreadful with playlists near single digits repeated several times a day by cynical broadcasters playing to the lowest common denominator while the rest of us suffered or tried to afford more records and furiously tape them in real time so music could be enjoyed not endured. Pity the poor shop workers.

And Phil Collins was the poster boy of cynical formulaic pulp pop. And that is why he must be brought to justice like a despotic dictator finally brought to heel.

[ellipsis]

Yeah 80's music left a lot to be desired, but there is one cure for shit music, turn it off or don't listen...what's wrong with just sticking with taking the shit out of nearly every motorcycle ever produced... it's all in the eye/ear of the beholder...Phil Collins was never my flavour but having to go to see him at the Royal Albert in the eighties with a girlfriend and her brothers, under protest, ended up being one of the most fantastic live concerts I have ever seen...slow day in your neck of the woods, or what...:sleep:...

[MD]

I hear where you are coming from F5Dave. Collins ruined Genesis but in the early years his drumming skills made the music for me. The drum battle in genesis Seconds out live concert (Suppers Ready I think it was)- shit a brick my spine tingles in awe. but as you say as his ego grew the quality went down the drain of whatever pop bubblegum sells for him.

If Peter Gabriel had stayed on I reckon they would have faded away to obscurity just the same. 80s music was mostly a disappointment though. Early 80s still rocks for me, I was living in London and it was the cross over from punk to new wave, so quite interesting with different styles coming through, Altered Images (OK so I had a hard on for the lead singer), XTC, Police (I can't stand hearing them now), The Mods/Style Council, Pretenders, The Beat. OMD. Human league. Shit it's hard to remember who I liked back then?

[Berries]

If you want meaningful lyrics though, ya can't beat some of the thrash metal bands.
Eight Foot Sativa -

Children behave, that's what they say when we're together
And watch how you play
They don't understand
And so we're

Running just as fast as we can, holding on to one another hands
Trying to get away into the night and then you put your arms around me
And we tumble to the ground and then you say

I think we're alone now,
There doesn't seem to be anyone around
I think we're alone now,
The beating of our hearts is the only sound

[husaberg]

For his crimes against 80s music?

Exhibit A:
There's this girl that's been on my mind
All the time, Su-Sussudio
Oh oh
Now she don't even know my name
But I think she likes me just the same
Su-Sussudio
Woah oh

I mean Genesis take some of the blame for hiring their drummer as a lead singer replacement. Jeez, couldn't you have put an add in the paper at least?


I don't think that a lynch mob is any justice to be considered. But surely criminal charges should be long overdue.

And it gets worse. A litany of bland annoying songs that all sound the same just played backward or sideways with dreary lyrics.

Truly punishment has been delayed too long?

i can believe you wish to convict the lil drummer boy
while you let stock Aiken and Waterman run free.
https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article7707934.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Stock-Aitken-And-Waterman.jpghttps://images.eil.com/large_image/STOCK_AITKEN_WATERMAN_THE%2BBEST%2BOF%2BSTOCK%2BAI TKEN%2BWATERMAN%2B-%2BA%2BTON%2BOF%2BHITS-220458.jpg
http://joy.org.au/neonnights/wp-content/uploads/sites/306/2015/09/Neon_Nights_Podcast_008_2015_08_29_Stock-Aitken-Waterman-Special-mp3image.jpg

[Laava]

The Eye of the Tiger tho. If ever there was a more tedious dirge from the eighties, made worse by the fact it evokes best forgotten images of the appallingly bad Rocky sequels. I include the original Rocky there as a sequel as it started out a bit second hand and worse for wear!

[F5 Dave]

Yeah 80's music left a lot to be desired, but there is one cure for shit music, turn it off or don't listen...what's wrong with just sticking with taking the shit out of nearly every motorcycle ever produced... it's all in the eye/ear of the beholder...Phil Collins was never my flavour but having to go to see him at the Royal Albert in the eighties with a girlfriend and her brothers, under protest, ended up being one of the most fantastic live concerts I have ever seen...slow day in your neck of the woods, or what...:sleep:...

My point was it wasn't always possible to turn it off, it was everywhere you went. Some people can 'not listen' but others just suffer. I think I'd repressed it all. But now we should have rewengee. (Cant remember the movie but think it was Michael Palin with a speech impediment and a steamroller).

[F5 Dave]

The Eye of the Tiger tho. If ever there was a more tedious dirge from the eighties, made worse by the fact it evokes best forgotten images of the appallingly bad Rocky sequels. I include the original Rocky there as a sequel as it started out a bit second hand and worse for wear!
Geez yeah. That and Total Eclipse of the Fart

And lots of other shit.

[Swoop]

80's music.

At least they earned their chops by touring in a transit van and building a fan-base.
None of this "idol" instant-fame bullshit.

[ellipsis]

My point was it wasn't always possible to turn it off, it was everywhere you went. Some people can 'not listen' but others just suffer. I think I'd repressed it all. But now we should have rewengee. (Cant remember the movie but think it was Michael Palin with a speech impediment and a steamroller).

...agreed...insatiable thirst for pop porn that generally cum in its pants before the fly was even down, pervading the airwaves...I had a bunch of brickies and hoddies on a biggish job once. Bronzed , pommy, Adonis types most of them, strutting around the scaff and on the ladders to huge amplification of Frankie Goes To Hollywood as the bricks got laid...I thought they were fucking shite little homos from Liverpool...the office girls in a building 50 meters away were pulling their tits out and flashing the boys constantly...entertaining and very odd, I thought, at the time...

...now the pricks are on my playlist...:blink:

[admenk]

Surely "Groovy kind of love" is more than enough for a conviction under any legal system

[husaberg]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SidxJz94Svs
multiple phils

[F5 Dave]

So yeah. Some promising starts to career, but followed close behind is the reprehensible behavior that shows his true character.

[Berries]

Has your wife just run off with him or something?



Seems quite random otherwise.

[husaberg]

Has your wife just run off with him or something?



Seems quite random otherwise.

Shes an easy lover?

[oldrider]

My point was it wasn't always possible to turn it off, it was everywhere you went. Some people can 'not listen' but others just suffer. I think I'd repressed it all. But now we should have rewengee. (Cant remember the movie but think it was Michael Palin with a speech impediment and a steamroller).

A fish called Wanda? - :confused:

[TheDemonLord]

I like a few of his songs.

If you want meaningful lyrics though, ya can't beat some of the thrash metal bands.


I see you had your mind all made up you group of pitiful liars.
Before I woke to face the day, your master plan transpired.
Something told me, this job had more to meet the eye.
My song is not believed?
My words somewhat deceiving?
Now I'm unwhole.
You've waged a war of nerves
But you can't crush the kingdom
Can't be what your idols are.
Can't leave the scar.
You cry for compensation.
I ask you please just give us
5 minutes alone
I read your eyes, your mind was made up.
You took me for
A fool.
You used complexion of my skin for a counter
Rascist tool.
You can't burn me, I've spilled my guts out
In the past.
Taken advantage of because you know where
I've come (from) my past.
You've waged a war of nerves
But you can't crush the kingdom
Can't be what your idols are.
Can't leave the scar.
You cry for compensation.
I ask you please just give us
5 minutes alone

Fuck yeah! Pantera!

RIP Dime and Vinnie.

[MD]

My point was it wasn't always possible to turn it off, it was everywhere you went. Some people can 'not listen' but others just suffer. I think I'd repressed it all. But now we should have rewengee. (Cant remember the movie but think it was Michael Palin with a speech impediment and a steamroller).

Agreed. That repetitive playing on every radio station was impossible to avoid. We didn't have iTunes and we socialised back then (we spoke and acknowledged other people around us), we didn't all walk around town with bloody headphones covering our ears 24/7 living in a silo. But as you say … we suffered the Phil bombardment. His solo hits were so similar they were just an annoying noise, you couldn't even differentiate which particular song was playing.

Start a give a little page for a collective lawsuit

[sidecar bob]

You can wipe off that grin, I know where you've been, it's all been a lack of pies.

[husaberg]

I would just like to submit this for the defense case
https://pmcvariety.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/lily-collins-tolkien.jpg

She seems to have an invisible touch yeah
Wouldn't you agree?
She reaches in, and grabs right hold of your heart
Can you feel it coming in the air tonight, oh Lord, oh Lord
I feel so good if I just say the word
I can feel it coming in the air tonight, oh Lord, oh Lord
It takes control and slowly tears you apart.
Ooh give me a chance, give me a sign
Baby, cause you and me got a groovy kind of love
But I've been waiting for this moment for all my life, oh Lord
Sussudio oh oh oh

[pritch]

I'm innocent of Phil Collins, his work is entirely absent from my vinyl stack, CDs or iPods etc.

I saw this once on TV back in the day. Loved the self deprecatory style of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcY3FH208l8

[pritch]

Not Collins but Cooder, from a similar time and place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG91Y62T4C0

[Laava]

I am not too sure, but think it might be acceptable with a little Weird Al...


https://youtu.be/UoSU0BoEUQM

[jasonu]

80s radio was a shit smear of dreadful with playlists near single digits repeated several times a day by cynical broadcasters playing to the lowest common denominator while the rest of us suffered or tried to afford more records and furiously tape them in real time so music could be enjoyed not endured. Pity the poor shop workers.

And Phil Collins was the poster boy of cynical formulaic pulp pop. And that is why he must be brought to justice like a despotic dictator finally brought to heel.

Didn't bother me. I used to listen to Campus radio BFM. They played what the fuck they liked. Lotsa NZ music.
Now I have what I think is the best station ever. 92.9FM Bend.
https://onlineradiobox.com/us/krxf/

[F5 Dave]

We had RadioActive down here back when students listened to alternative music. Then it became gangscar wrapping or something like that.

But wherever you went in the 80s someone was playing the radio. . . , after even they had got sick of their mix tape.

I parked next to someone blaring the radio at a trail ride. I asked him if it was the advert station. Why would you subject yourself to that?

[bert_is_evil]

Chop him into bits and feed him to Marilyn Manson

And I don't want you and I don't need you
Don't bother to resist, or I'll beat you
It's not your fault that you're always wrong
The weak ones are there to justify the strong
The beautiful people, the beautiful people
It's all relative to the size of your steeple
You can't see the forest for the trees
You can't smell your own shit on your knees

[Berries]

Don't let your indecision
Take you from behind
Trust your inner vision
Don't let others change your mind

[SVboy]

I wholeheartedly support the OP. make it so. In ChCh we have 96.1, Garage radio which is 80's alternative music. Very worthy. Killing joke, Cure, Joy Division, Stiff little fingers , the Beat, Cramps, The Gordons!, Baurhaus etc. The occasional clangers such as REM but a station like this shows the 80's were not too bad.

[F5 Dave]

There was good 80s music but you had to go a long way out of the way to find it.

When I was 13 most of the school had either a rats tail or a Flock of Seagulls haircut.

[Beekeeper]

Take a look at me now https://www.theguardian.com/music/2019/nov/21/take-a-look-at-me-now-baby-jesus-statue-resembles-phil-collins

[Drew]

There was good 80s music but you had to go a long way out of the way to find it.

When I was 13 most of the school had either a rats tail or a Flock of Seagulls haircut.

The eighties was the decade that my brand's of music took off. Dunno what you're on about.

[F5 Dave]

Start of the 80s there was only the same forulatic crap on the radio. To hear anything new you had to buy the album of a band that had a cool cover and hope you liked it.

That was a big gamble on limited funds and I had a few misses. Radio Active was a tiny beacon of light broadcasting at low power.

[Oakie]

First CD I ever bought was Phil Collins. (Bought a CD player that day and thought we should buy a CD to play on it.)

[F5 Dave]

Not sure I remember what CD I bought first, but my first record was Double Platinum by Kiss. In my defence, I was 12.

[pritch]

Phil Collins was a giant among musicians compared to anything Disco which was the nadir of popular music. "Disco sux" about summed it up.

[ellipsis]

...he sung some good shit, had extraordinary talent backing him, and got away from the Genesis shit, into his own shit, made a few bucks...end of story, now lets give (insert name), a reaming for their talent or not, for making something from nothing...



LIST...

1: Elvis Presley

2: Bob Dillon

3: The Rolling Stones

4...........boy george

5..............................................ad infinitum...................................

[pritch]

Holy baby Jesus! I didn't see that coming...
https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/jesus-statue-phil-collins-trnd/index.html

[F5 Dave]

Not even from 8 posts ago?;)

[pritch]

Not even from 8 posts ago?;)

Nah missed that. Just saw it when CNN plonked it on my screen.

[jato]

So i've been doing mega hours in the workshop lately and have a real good radio station to help with the tedium ... but the last few months everytime phil collins comes on i get a vision of f5 dave at various stages of sobriety at a racetrack/campsite someplace... Now i've lots more hours to do this year and i really hope dave doesn't start picking on stevie nicks...

[sidecar bob]

i really hope dave doesn't start picking on stevie nicks...

She needs to be flogged with a length of wet rope right next to Steve Miller.
What a pompetus for fucks sake?

[husaberg]

She needs to be flogged with a length of wet rope right next to Steve Miller.
What a pompetus for fucks sake?

https://youtu.be/JQNGHMf15I4?t=110

[F5 Dave]

I find period music of the bikes era helps. I listened to a lot of Supertramp when doing the T125 as it's the oldest stuff I own. Actually if I was to move the record player into the garage i do have a fair bit of Genesis;) from the early 70s (before they got the drummer to sing). Not sure I could stand much prog-rock these days.
But its hardly the environment for records with greasy fingers etc.

I don't think I've listened to the radio deliberately in the last ten years. Garage for old CDs and occasionally tapes, upstairs, Spotify gets me music I often haven't heard from genre's I like.

[sidecar bob]

I find period music of the bikes era helps. I listened to a lot of Supertramp when doing the T125 as it's the oldest stuff I own. Actually if I was to move the record player into the garage i do have a fair bit of Genesis;) from the early 70s (before they got the drummer to sing). Not sure I could stand much prog-rock these days.
But its hardly the environment for records with greasy fingers etc.

I don't think I've listened to the radio deliberately in the last ten years. Garage for old CDs and occasionally tapes, upstairs, Spotify gets me music I often haven't heard from genre's I like.

When we did the classic TT with the team classic '81 Katana, I put together a playlist from 1980 to '87. We blue toothed it to a decent speaker we had in the paddock awning.
The theory was that people that were interested in stopping by to check out a bike of that era would also enjoy music from the same era as a backdrop.
We turned up some absolute gems.

[sidecar bob]

https://youtu.be/JQNGHMf15I4?t=110

Ok, that's making the Steve Miller load of tripe seem quite palatable by comparison.
I'm also disturbed you knew that even existed.

[husaberg]

Ok, that's making the Steve Miller load of tripe seem quite palatable by comparison.
I'm also disturbed you knew that even existed.

According to the comments
Vernon green actually sang "pupptetutes of love" which was also a made-up word - his own - combining "puppets" and "prostitutes."

[F5 Dave]

So have you seen the full video of Toma by Pusifier?
Bring the costume.
Just sayin.

[actungbaby]

S ok me call him space cowboy some call him murice .the pompertious of love .read where went bit rant slaving of most of his peers for being shit.
Him Pete Townsend seem have carrot where sun don't shine.i guess if you have talent when u young .not so grating .when 70 it's just sour grapes.lol

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[actungbaby]

I got sick radio used love zms back in the day. Find the rock bit tedious after a hour .find the sound great.got my music mojo back.dont like streaming on a phone no thanks.
Gone back to viynal though in day hated them .all that cleaning.got reel to reel too.just for kicks .never owned on in the day.got 15 dollor cassette deck plays well.even most my old tapes play okay.what ever gets you listening just keep doing it.
Back in the day thought not spending my pay between bikes music.i thought it never happen .but life family but glad say I got my life back when refound my passion for music and bikes.

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[actungbaby]

When we did the classic TT with the team classic '81 Katana, I put together a playlist from 1980 to '87. We blue toothed it to a decent speaker we had in the paddock awning.
The theory was that people that were interested in stopping by to check out a bike of that era would also enjoy music from the same era as a backdrop.
We turned up some absolute gems.Blue tooth speakers sound pretty dam good .esp for the size .music shared is just better.bit like having roast dinner cooked for just tastes better.music like that .finding mate play u song u never heard and like that's cool.esp if u thought never liked that stlye music.

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[F5 Dave]

Jeezuz you still are really hard to understand, like noticeably more than anyone else on the site.

I just glaze over a mess of words and give up. Is it that difficult to take a minute to form some sentences?

[Voltaire]

Spotify are going to have to make their "go premium to get rid of adds" a lot more annoying to get my $12 a month:laugh:

Could be worth it for unlimited track skipping though.

[Drew]

Jeezuz you still are really hard to understand, like noticeably more than anyone else on the site.

I just glaze over a mess of words and give up. Is it that difficult to take a minute to form some sentences?
I'm with Dave on this. I noted a while ago that actungbaby was way way more understandable these days.

I suspect when he's typing fast things go back to this.

[Drew]

Spotify are going to have to make their "go premium to get rid of adds" a lot more annoying to get my $12 a month:laugh:

Could be worth it for unlimited track skipping though.
Its bot just the track skipping. Its 100% worth the $12

[MaxPenguin]

Its bot just the track skipping. Its 100% worth the $12

It's part of my spark plan now so even better value.

[sidecar bob]

Blue tooth speakers sound pretty dam good .esp for the size .

The one we used was around a metre tall with a decent bass cone & plugged into the mains:cool:

[actungbaby]

I'm with Dave on this. I noted a while ago that actungbaby was way way more understandable these days.

I suspect when he's typing fast things go back to this.Yes thanks Drew

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[pritch]

According to the comments
Vernon green actually sang "pupptetutes of love" which was also a made-up word - his own - combining "puppets" and "prostitutes."

Doo wop is more fifties than eighties. Typically the white boys used to practice in somebody's dad's garage. (Nearly everybody had a dad back then.) The black kids didn't have any instruments, or know anybody who had a garage, so they sang acapella on the steps of their building.

[F5 Dave]

Yes thanks Drew

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Yeah sorry I feel like a prick now.

Maybe I should reword that. .

[Drew]

Yeah sorry I feel like a prick now.

Maybe I should reword that. .
Hahahahaha.

Let's be fair, you are a prick.

[ellipsis]

Yeah sorry I feel like a prick now.

Maybe I should reword that. .

..nah, don't...everyone will understand...ish...

[eelracing]

Ha Actungs' posts are like the best record albums...it takes a few listens before the pearls reveal themselves to us swines.;)

[GazzaH]

PC should be prosecuted for not wearing ear-defenders & going so deaf that he had to give up performing.

[F5 Dave]

And not providing us with them so we didn't have to listen to unimaginable drivel.

[husaberg]

Just like a heatwave
Burning in my heart
Can't keep from cryin'
It's tearing me apart

[GazzaH]

I gave everything that they wanted
But still they wanted more
We sweat and we toiled
Good men lost their lives
I don't think they knew what for
I sold them my heart
I sold them my soul
I gave everything I had
But they couldn't break my spirit
My dignity fought back

[ellipsis]

????????????

One black one
One white one
And one with a little shite on
The hairs on her dicky-dido
Hung down to her knees


I know the words to Hickory Dickory Dock also

[GazzaH]

One of Phil's B-sides?

[TheDemonLord]

On a slightly related note (Namely famous Prog Drummers)

Neil Peart has gone to the great Drumset in the Sky.

It's odd because I've never been a Rush fan and I've always been annoyed a Neil Peart Fanboys - and yet, it is still sad.

[F5 Dave]

To make it more relevant he apparently was a keen motorcyclist. But I really know nothing about Rush
. . . . Well except on Archer, Dr Krieger was a fan.

[GazzaH]

Talking of dreaming, this is my all time favourite drumming (better even than Phil Collins :shit:):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TU3-lS_Gryk&list=RDTU3-lS_Gryk&start_radio=1&t=0

It's an astonishingly energetic performance by Clem Burke. And Debby Harry wasn't too shabby either, back then.

[pritch]

this is my all time favourite drumming

OK this is my favourite. An oldie but goodie. This went viral and some of the top drummers in the business were ringing Steve Moore for a chat.

Whoever filmed this may not have set out to film him particularly so it isn't always easy to see what he's doing, but he's doing lots of stuff with his fingers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItZyaOlrb7E

[Drew]

https://youtu.be/0NWZdEQ5vek

Best drumming ever.

[husaberg]

It seems that family values have changed since I was a kid, at least I remember it that way...
What makes these people so different now, what makes these times so strange seems most people got most everything they need how come we see this change.

[Kendog]

https://youtu.be/0NWZdEQ5vek

Best drumming ever.

Amazing foot work!

[TheDemonLord]

Amazing foot work!

Honestly - his Push/Pull Blasting and Moeller technique is more impressive - Especially his 4 stroke alternating Blast.

And his Double stroke fills are just Hnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng

[pritch]

https://youtu.be/0NWZdEQ5vek

Best drumming ever.

Nah, Ginger Baker got there first. RIP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Gze0PxDKgQ

[Drew]

Nah, Ginger Baker got there first. RIP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Gze0PxDKgQ
Pfft, not even close.

Double kick is old, but that link I posted is two of them.

[TheDemonLord]

Pfft, not even close.

Double kick is old, but that link I posted is two of them.

Double bass was first used by Louie Bellson, although he claimed that he got the idea from someone else - whose name I can never remember, but that other person says they got it from Louie Bellson... He's the one that is acknowledged to be the first to really use 2 Bass Drums.

although - he's just using a Double Pedal (2 beaters on the master, with a slave pedal on the left) on a single Bass drum.

[pritch]

Pfft, not even close.

Double kick is old, but that link I posted is two of them.

Pardon me I'm no drummer, two of what?

[F5 Dave]

Ohh here we go with the old jokes.

"How do you know the stage is level?"

[Drew]

Pardon me I'm no drummer, two of what?

He's punishing two double action bass drum pedals. So he's getting four beats per single count.

Edit. Nope, he seems to be legit double tapping a pair of single action items. Even more impressive.

[ellipsis]

...they're all just drummers...difficult to find when you want a good one, then you have to put up with them when you find one and they decide to stay...

[oldrider]

Ohh here we go with the old jokes.

"How do you know the stage is level?"

Seriously? - The drummer is drooling from both sides of his mouth. - You must be much older than you make out! - :Oops:

[TheDemonLord]

He's punishing two double action bass drum pedals. So he's getting four beats per single count.

Edit. Nope, he seems to be legit double tapping a pair of single action items. Even more impressive.

Well, yes and no.

Wanja is definitely playing Single strokes - 16th note triplets @ 160 BPM or straight 16th Notes @ 240 BPM (which is quick, although he's capable of going up to almost 300 BPM which is loony fast) - however he plays his single strokes with a form of Heel-Toe.

Normally you'd play a Heel-Toe pattern as a Double stroke: RRLLRRLLRRLLRRLLRRLL etc.

Whereas Wanja plays it:

RH LH RT LT etc.

Which when played like that is often called 'Constant Release' - or if done with the hands Push/Pull (or 'Buddy Rich's secret Weapon') - which he also uses for Blasts/general playing - the idea being it helps with power, endurance and speed by splitting the work between 2 different muscle groups.

[Autech]

I like a few of his songs.

If you want meaningful lyrics though, ya can't beat some of the thrash metal bands.


Megadeth also have some brilliant lyrics:

I'm lonely and abandoned - washed up, left for dead
I'm lost inside the desert of every word you said
Like a nuclear reactor, or TNT
I'm thinking about the times when you lied to me
All the innuendo, caught up on your hook
I was just a name in your little black book, oh...
In your little black book... no

I'll get even with you
I'll get even with you, even with you

I'm bitter and I'm twisted, I haven't slept in days
I'm lonely and I'm angry, I can't make it go away
I'm like a bomb that's ticking, I got voices in my head
I got a doll with needles and wishing you were dead
I'll get you back somehow, that's what I'm gonna do
I'll get you back somehow, your nightmare coming true...
It's coming true

I'll get even with you
Ah, that's what I'm gonna do (I'm gonna get even with you)
I'll get even with you
Even with you, even with you

[Short Instrumental Break]

You better look behind you, 'cause there I'm going to be
I'll be standing in the shadows with who I used to be
He's slightly schizophrenic - me, and me, and me, and me agree
That you are gonna pay for what you did to me

I'll get even with you
I'll get even with you



...he sung some good shit, had extraordinary talent backing him, and got away from the Genesis shit, into his own shit, made a few bucks...end of story, now lets give (insert name), a reaming for their talent or not, for making something from nothing...



Might fuck a few people off here but here goes :D

1: Elvis Presley

2: Bob Dillon

3: The Rolling Stones

4: boy george

5: ACDC

6: U2

[ellipsis]

...it's so easy to fuck people off these days...:baby:...fuck em all...

[actungbaby]

Ohh here we go with the old jokes.

"How do you know the stage is level?"Have you seen Steve wonders new keyboards.[emoji3]

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[Drew]

Have you seen Steve wonders new keyboards.[emoji3]

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I recall that being funny when I was 11.

[actungbaby]

So right...

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[actungbaby]

So last year then

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[jato]

Good progress in the workshop today - the milling machine was cranking... and Genisis was too ... has anyone heard how Dave is doing