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FROSTY

17th October 2005, 21:19

2much

17th October 2005, 21:32

Oh shit, so you mean I shouldn't skite that I did 300km/h on my turbo'd nitrous Nifty50 down the southern motorway at 3am on sunday morning???

Dadpole

17th October 2005, 23:10

Oh shit, so you mean I shouldn't skite that I did 300km/h on my turbo'd nitrous Nifty50 down the southern motorway at 3am on sunday morning???

So it was you trying to murder the bus full of nuns and orphans. Prepare for the dark blue knock on the door.

2much

17th October 2005, 23:13

Oh shit! quick, I need somewhere to hide the dwarfs???

Dadpole

17th October 2005, 23:35

Hide them behind the elephant.

2much

17th October 2005, 23:41

In the jellybean jar??? but their toe nails arn't painted!!

Dadpole

17th October 2005, 23:50

Paint them now - quick. I can hear size 14 feet on your path!

2much

18th October 2005, 00:06

Nope that was just Big Bird..... now I gotta hide him too. anyone gotta 10' birdcage???

FROSTY

18th October 2005, 07:04

har de fucking ha

sels1

18th October 2005, 07:45

Something to keep in mind when posting here.What you post can be read by any member or just as many guests.
Posting your address on an open forum may not be a good idea.Especially if you own a desireable bit of bike or kit.

All humour aside, Frosty makes a valid point. Not just for security reasons either. Remember your posts can be read by your kids/parents/boss/people you like/people you dont like/someone who wants to get some dirt on you etc etc. And they can read a post you wrote last year too...they are all there.

Quasievil

18th October 2005, 08:07

I know of three situations where bikers on here have had nasty results based on what they and others have posted on here, and the posts were mostly innocent except to the "other party"

So keep laughing it up ya plonkers it was a suitable warning that was aimed at helping you out............................ plonkers:bash:

bugjuice

18th October 2005, 08:09

plus, if you have desirable daughters, they should be protected from some of the people on here too..

Dadpole

18th October 2005, 09:33

Point taken people. I agree that some details are not for public view, address etc, and everyone should be aware the world is watching.
Sorry - :slap:
Will go and hide hehind the elephant now.

Postie

18th October 2005, 10:57

plus, if you have desirable daughters, they should be protected from some of the people on here too..

in that case (that being you have desirable daughters) you can PM the address and/or cell phone number to BugJuice or myself for safe keeping :psst:

:rofl:

18th October 2005, 11:05

plus, if you have desirable daughters, they should be protected from some of the people on here too..

you mean I can get some earth women just by posting here?

any viable specimens please send me one of those private massages through your internet to me.

TwoSeven

18th October 2005, 11:30

The thing that concerns me most is the lack of a personal liability disclaimer in the signup process or on the main screen. There should be some big disclaimer here that information shared is peoples personal opinions and shouldnt be taken for fact or something like that.

Technically as I understand it, if you tell someone (directly or indirectly in a discussion) to try something on their bike and they crash - you could be liable for the result. Since I am not a business with the appropriate indemnity insurance - its quite off-putting. I delete many posts simply because I'm not sure about liability.

Postie

18th October 2005, 12:27

you mean I can get some earth women just by posting here?

any viable specimens please send me one of those private massages through your internet to me.

FARKIN 'ELL rolf: , your avartar looks like a deformed, shaved scrotum sack............

*sic

18th October 2005, 13:12

liability, on an open public forum?

come on!

i can say what the hell i want and if anyone wants to go out and do it and they ruin their shit thats just natural selection working at its magical best.

:rofl:

18th October 2005, 14:18

FARKIN 'ELL rolf: , your avartar looks like a deformed, shaved scrotum sack............

you think maybe I should grow a soul patch?

jrandom

18th October 2005, 14:23

Technically as I understand it, if you tell someone (directly or indirectly in a discussion) to try something on their bike and they crash - you could be liable for the result...

as is your wont, 27, you are spouting poopoo.

the morning when you wake up and realise that you don't have a degree in everything from the university of awesomeness will herald the beginning of a new, and vastly more attractive, life for you.

Indiana_Jones

18th October 2005, 15:43

Great, now my plans to convert the 'Top Gun' school into 'Top Bike' have been shown to the world! :crybaby:

Ahwell, :D

TALK TO ME PYRO!

-Indy

pyrocam

18th October 2005, 15:52

Great, now my plans to convert the 'Top Gun' school into 'Top Bike' have been shown to the world! :crybaby:

Ahwell, :D

TALK TO ME PYRO!

-Indy

aye? whats on now?

TwoSeven

18th October 2005, 17:58

as is your wont, 27, you are spouting poopoo.

the morning when you wake up and realise that you don't have a degree in everything from the university of awesomeness will herald the beginning of a new, and vastly more attractive, life for you.

I'm pretty sure that if you offer someone advice that leads to their injury, whether it be in person, by writing, or on the net, you can be held liable unless you get the people to sign a liability disclaimer.

I understand you need a 'disclaimer' and/or 'limitation of liability' disclaimer.

There are good examples on most mainstream websites.

Here is one from allergy NZ

Allergy New Zealand Inc. has made reasonable efforts to ensure that the health information contained herein is accurate and up to date. To the extent permitted by law, Allergy New Zealand Inc., their employees and agents accept no liability (even if negligent) for any injury, loss or damage caused by reliance on any part of this information

Here is the one from AUT, note the imdemnification clause and the limitation of liability.
http://www.aut.ac.nz/copyright.htm

James Deuce

18th October 2005, 18:02

Two Seven, you can't sue in NZ for injury, so those disclaimers are there purely for the International viewership.

ACC and it's associate Act of Parliament make NZ a no fault injury country.

Colapop

18th October 2005, 18:11

ACC and it's associate Act of Parliament make NZ a no fault injury country.

I can't see anything on the internet being enforcable by law. I get pissed and fall down and hurt myself (so I've found out later) all the time and it's never my fault. Shall I wear a disclaimer so that I don't sue myself?

FROSTY

18th October 2005, 18:16

i THINK ONE AND ALL NEED TO READ 2/7'S SIGGY --basicly he is stating clearly to the world he admits he's full of effluent

Mr Skid

18th October 2005, 18:22

i THINK ONE AND ALL NEED TO READ 2/7'S AVITAR How does one read a bike?

curious george

18th October 2005, 19:16

How does one read a bike?
Start at the front, like you normally would.....

TwoSeven

18th October 2005, 20:40

So then, can anyone explain why every single net site in NZ has a liability disclaimer on it - including the ones I've listed. I've yet to find a mainline site that doesnt.

Also, if you cant sue, how come you have to sign a waiver when you go racing at any track or participate in any sports event. Why are people suing other people for injury, negligence and liability.

[Edit: line removed]

Next you will be telling me you cant liable/slander someone on the net. Or that net based contracts are not legally binding.

Personally, until one of you knowlegable people can post a link to the NZ law site that contains a valid reason why a liability disclaimer is not required, I'll continue to keep mine on my sig :)

[edit: update]
The reason why I made the comment is because i'd be rather upset if I said something, even if I was just spouting off, saying what tecnique I used when I rode a bike or something, and some poor bugger took it literally and hurt themselves trying it out. I'd feel like a right heel. However, its also a biking site and people - ie. me, want to natter with other people about how they do things so as I can learn new stuff.

So the reason why I mentioned the liability/disclaimer thing wasnt so much as to stir shit, but to raise the issue that perhaps people should have it explained to them that [in my opinion] that they shouldnt believe everything they read - no matter how authoritive it may sound, in much the same way that toy companies suggest you shouldnt try and emulate superman by jumping off house rooves with a cape on. To me its an ethical problem, I want to talk about the advanced nuances of riding bikes, but I also dont want to risk accidently causing harm to someone by saying something that would be better said by a trained instructor.

MacD

18th October 2005, 20:48

Two Seven, you can't sue in NZ for injury, so those disclaimers are there purely for the International viewership.

ACC and it's associate Act of Parliament make NZ a no fault injury country.

Not quite true these days. Have a read of this (http://www.fmlaw.co.nz/publications/insurance_articles/damages_personal_injury.htm) (I've posted this link before).

In particular you may be able to sue for punitive damages, the civil equivalent of a criminal fine. ACC only covers compensation and rehabilitation.

As for whether you can be sued for something you say on an internet forum (most likely of a libelous nature), well quite possibly (http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,12688849%5E15306%5E%5Enbv%5E,00.html). It depends if you piss off somebody with deep enough pockets and the inclination to pursue you through the courts.

Dadpole

18th October 2005, 22:14

Bugger! With the sort of advice I give people I'm stuffed then. OK. Sue and be damned.

PS: Since I am poor, can someone please sue me and be awarded my debts instead of assets.

jrandom

19th October 2005, 10:01

SARGE

19th October 2005, 10:03

Colapop

19th October 2005, 10:16

All in all it's a case of say nothing and be damned or try and help someone and be damned. It's getting so you''re not allowed an opion, I thought that's what healthy debate was about?
Frosty's point is taken , watch what you say other people will be.

Ixion

19th October 2005, 10:26

righto, listen up everyone.

go out and wheelie your bikes against the traffic flow down the nearest stretch of motorway. without a helmet. right now. do it! DO IT!

what?

still here?

hurry up. I'm not going to wait all day.

Bad bad bad Ms Fish. Do NOT accept this advice folks. This is exactly what the warnings were about. See, Ms Fish has left out the most IMPORTANT point.

You do NOT wheelie your bike etc down the nearest stretch of motorway. You must find a stretch of motorway where a COP is watching, then do it.

SARGE

19th October 2005, 10:29

Bad bad bad Ms Fish. Do NOT accept this advice folks. This is exactly what the warnings were about. See, Ms Fish has left out the most IMPORTANT point.

You do NOT wheelie your bike etc down the nearest stretch of motorway. You must find a stretch of motorway where a COP is watching, then do it.

lined with CheeseCutters too... another thing she forgot

DAMN YOU TO HELL CARP!!

Storm

19th October 2005, 12:58

i THINK ONE AND ALL NEED TO READ 2/7'S SIGGY --basicly he is stating clearly to the world he admits he's full of effluent

At least he's honest :bleh: :D