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Jantar
18th October 2005, 00:02
I have just read the Confidence and Supply agreement between Labour and NZF. http://www.beehive.govt.nz/Documents/Files/NZFirst.pdf

Note this part: "Evaluate the costs and benefits of de-merging traffic enforcement from the police"

spudchucka
18th October 2005, 07:41
"De-merging" was one of Winston's campaign promises as was recruiting more cops, (another 1000 have been promised under this Govt whereas Labour had campaigned on providing only 250 more community constables). I bet making consessions to Winston leaves a real shitty taste in Helen's mouth.

WRT
18th October 2005, 08:54
I bet making consessions to Winston leaves a real shitty taste in Helen's mouth.

Well, I know that if I was him, I wouldn't have wiped before I got her to kiss my arse . . .

Lou Girardin
18th October 2005, 09:27
He won't get the de-merge, but will probably get the extra 1000 cops. That'll boost the revenue won't it, 1000 more ticket writers doing their bit for Helen?
Unless the new Commissioner has a pair of balls that is.

MSTRS
18th October 2005, 09:44
Unless the new Commissioner has a pair of balls that is.
The country couldn't stand up to her. How is one little man gunna?

ManDownUnder
18th October 2005, 10:07
The country couldn't stand up to her. How is one little man gunna?\

Coz he'd have a mandate... clear instruction that he is the person to run the show...

Something Aunty Helen can't claim (gotta love MMP)...

spudchucka
18th October 2005, 10:41
He won't get the de-merge, but will probably get the extra 1000 cops. That'll boost the revenue won't it, 1000 more ticket writers doing their bit for Helen?
Unless the new Commissioner has a pair of balls that is.
What if he's a she?

Keystone19
18th October 2005, 10:46
What if he's a she?

then will prolly resemble Helen and doesn"t everyone claim she has balls...?

spudchucka
18th October 2005, 10:49
She has a deep voice but I'm way to chicken to ever consider checking for balls.

Keystone19
18th October 2005, 10:51
She has a deep voice but I'm way to chicken to ever consider checking for balls.

Wouldn't that be a normal part of duties on occasion...? You could just use work as an excuse...

NodMan
18th October 2005, 10:54
Unless the new Commissioner has a pair of balls that is.

So you've met HER then?
assist comm already and not even a flat foot or snake
Do they have to have ALL the top jobs?

Lou Girardin
18th October 2005, 10:54
What if he's a she?
At one point you had a non-sworn she running the Police HR dept. Look what happened there.

Lou Girardin
18th October 2005, 10:55
Wouldn't that be a normal part of duties on occasion...? You could just use work as an excuse...
He would have had to fight Wobbie first.

Pixie
18th October 2005, 11:02
"De-merging" was one of Winston's campaign promises as was recruiting more cops, (another 1000 have been promised under this Govt whereas Labour had campaigned on providing only 250 more community constables). I bet making consessions to Winston leaves a real shitty taste in Helen's mouth.
Perhaps it's a different taste.
I have it on good authority that not only did Clark have to agree to Winston's demands,but he insisted she swallow as well.

Keystone19
18th October 2005, 11:05
Perhaps it's a different taste.
I have it on good authority that not only did Clark have to agree to Winston's demands,but he insisted she swallow as well.

Arggghhhhh... :puke: :puke: :puke:

heavenly.talker
18th October 2005, 11:21
Perhaps it's a different taste.
I have it on good authority that not only did Clark have to agree to Winston's demands,but he insisted she swallow as well.


She sure didn't look happy on morning breakfast this morning when she was forced to sing his praises and justify her decision. Peter Williams also forced a concession that she indeed offered the post to Winnie the Poo.

With the economy going the way it is and the fact that she has to cosy up to one of the biggest noters and f**kwits in politics I say Dr. Don has got the best of this deal!

Making good on all the pre-election promises is going to further increase govt. spending by 1 and 1/2 billion and further push/pass the preferred inflation band. The lollie scramble for votes just hit the stomach end of the deal (indigestion anyone?). Increased interest rates and mortagee sales here we come!

She also just sh*t on one of her campainging partners! Nope things aren't going that well for Aunty Helen are they! :dodge: :dodge: :crybaby:

Lou Girardin
18th October 2005, 11:40
Helen would have blown the entire NZ First caucus to get her third term.
But I'm pleased, I got 90% of what I voted for. Winnie with Govt influence - the Greens out in the cold with the Maori party - United Future sidelined.
If it all goes pear shaped in the next 3 years I'll be buried in 'told you so's'.

ManDownUnder
18th October 2005, 11:50
Helen would have blown the entire NZ First caucus to get her third term.
But I'm pleased, I got 90% of what I voted for. Winnie with Govt influence - the Greens out in the cold with the Maori party - United Future sidelined.
If it all goes pear shaped in the next 3 years I'll be buried in 'told you so's'.

Yeah but now no-one else has any clues about what WOULD have happened had it gone the other way.

It's a fait accompli - done deal, and we can never know otherwise.

MDU
(I'll still blame you though - if that's your preference)

spudchucka
18th October 2005, 20:05
At one point you had a non-sworn she running the Police HR dept. Look what happened there.
There is a non sworn female deputy commisioner now, Lyn Provost, who do you think it was that took exception to the porn on the e-mail system?

spudchucka
18th October 2005, 20:07
Wouldn't that be a normal part of duties on occasion...? You could just use work as an excuse...
They don't pay me danger money, let alone "I'm spending the rest of my life vomiting" money.

jimbo600
18th October 2005, 21:42
What if he's a she?

Please don't say Lyn Provos is the comissioner of police.

Pixie
18th October 2005, 21:51
Helen would have blown the entire NZ First caucus to get her third term.
But I'm pleased, I got 90% of what I voted for. Winnie with Govt influence - the Greens out in the cold with the Maori party - United Future sidelined.
If it all goes pear shaped in the next 3 years I'll be buried in 'told you so's'.
I've just realised why they legalised prostitution.
With the election approaching and the coalition negotiations that would follow,the polititians realised it would make them feel better about being a bunch of giant whores.

Lou Girardin
19th October 2005, 14:33
There is a non sworn female deputy commisioner now, Lyn Provost, who do you think it was that took exception to the porn on the e-mail system?

What an appropriate name. Was she ex-army too?
Seriously, this is one of the biggest problems in the Police. A non-sworn Deputy Commissioner, what next?
Your bosses lost the plot when they allowed themselves to be called 'managers'.

spudchucka
19th October 2005, 19:48
What an appropriate name. Was she ex-army too?
Seriously, this is one of the biggest problems in the Police. A non-sworn Deputy Commissioner, what next?
Your bosses lost the plot when they allowed themselves to be called 'managers'.
The manager thing I agree with. I don't know the DC's background.

Skyryder
19th October 2005, 20:14
I am no fan of Winnies but no matter what is said about his baggage he does not let anyone else handle it. The man has balls. Remember the Winebox affair? He took a lot of hits on that one but no one ko'd him.

Skyryder

oldrider
19th October 2005, 20:48
I am no fan of Winnies but no matter what is said about his baggage he does not let anyone else handle it. The man has balls. Remember the Winebox affair? He took a lot of hits on that one but no one ko'd him.

Skyryder
Likewise, not a Winnie supporter but the bullshit and misrepresentation of his word by the media, TV, Press etc is bloody treasonable in my opinion.
I have just read their agreement and it reflects his pre-election stance.
All of his voters should feel satisfied and all of his supporters who voted National in Tauranga should be feeling ashamed, disloyal bastards.
Yes whatever Winston is he is proof of racial equality in this country if you have the BALLS to back yourself.
To me he is just another socialist opportunist but I do have to admire his political tenacity. Cheers John.

Lou Girardin
20th October 2005, 07:48
Winnie's not a socialist. He's a true blue Nat in the old sense of the word, conservative pragmatism. He just doesn't go along with all the ACT members in drag that make up todays National party. One reason he engineered the disintegration of the National/NZ First coalition. He hated Shipley and all who sailed in her.
This is why Helen dealt with him, so that she could move Labour slightly to the right and away from the looney lefties in the Greens.
It's all about winning in 2008.

oldrider
20th October 2005, 20:37
Winnie's not a socialist.
Yes he is (IMHO).

Socialism: A political and economic theory which advocates that the community as a whole (Read; The Government) should own and control the means of production, distribution and exchange. (New Zealand First)

Socialist: One who believes in this theory. (Winston)

This country reeks of Socialism. There is no right wing here, everyone is well left of center when you consider the above.

Government should only be involved with:Armed forces and Police to protect the integrity of country. Everything else they interfere with they fuck it up.

Can they even be trusted to handle that when you look at their past records. Always increasing costs and lowering performance.

heavenly.talker
20th October 2005, 21:16
I am ashamed at how badly Winnie picks on the newbies.
We need all the hard working people famlies and people we can get to support all the 'true blue' kiwis that sit on their asses with their hands out!
This country needs bums on seats...(oops I mean kicking ass creating employment opportunties not people doing nothing and living off the state).
I don't care from where as long as they come here!
Diversity is doing wonderful things for this country and enriching our global perspective.
We compete against every other western country for immigrants! What do we offer rather than scenery and lifestyle?
Diddly bloody squat

Why do most immigrants come to New Zealand...because Aus and US wouldn't take them.

Lou Girardin
21st October 2005, 07:50
Sorry John, but I have never heard Winnie advocate state ownership of anything other than strategic assetts. (ie AirNZ)

oldrider
22nd October 2005, 23:03
Sorry John, but I have never heard Winnie advocate state ownership of anything other than strategic assetts. (ie AirNZ)
True Lou but that is significant in its self, let alone all the other enterprises that govt don't need to be involved in. Electricity, Railways, Roading, Health, Education, Etc Etc. I believe there should be much less govt intervention in our lives and I am what I consider to be a pinko mild capitalist.
If you read the info on the "Libertarian party" site, it is more like what the Govt's role should be. IMO. I think they are nearer the mark. Thanks to some KB Poster they directed me to that (Libertarian) site and I found it quite enlightening. Thanks for replying anyway I raised it to test view points on the subject. :Pokey: Cheers John.

What?
25th October 2005, 05:30
Well, credibility of the force has taken another hit with me. Y'see, I live on a state highway, and outside, right now, as all weekend, is a roadworks zone posted at 30Km/hr. So who slows down to 30? Bloody early no-one! A few old nanas might have got down to 30, most bikers and (get this) boy racers dropped down to 50 or less, but Mr Average Family Man and Mr (and Ms) Plod see fit to carry on through at 90-100. Then, no doubt, the Plods will have been merrily pinging people for doing 113K on a perfectly good bit of road...

Lou Girardin
25th October 2005, 09:39
True Lou but that is significant in its self, let alone all the other enterprises that govt don't need to be involved in. Electricity, Railways, Roading, Health, Education, Etc Etc. I believe there should be much less govt intervention in our lives and I am what I consider to be a pinko mild capitalist.
If you read the info on the "Libertarian party" site, it is more like what the Govt's role should be. IMO. I think they are nearer the mark. Thanks to some KB Poster they directed me to that (Libertarian) site and I found it quite enlightening. Thanks for replying anyway I raised it to test view points on the subject. :Pokey: Cheers John.

My limited knowledge of the Libertarian Party leads me to think that I couldn't afford personal security, let alone all the other Govt services I would have to supply for myself.

Speedracer
15th November 2005, 13:53
Note this part: "Evaluate the costs and benefits of de-merging traffic enforcement from the police"

I don't see a commitment. Just a committee meeting.

mdb
20th December 2005, 20:57
I dunno about splitting the cops/police. Most police I know don't like pulling of people for traffic offences (unless they totally have to). Cops on the other hand take great pleasure in pulling over people for any minor indiscretion possible.

scumdog
20th December 2005, 21:46
Ya can't 'unmake' the omolet - the Police and Traffic won't unmerge:no:

Stevo
20th December 2005, 23:12
I dunno about splitting the cops/police. Most police I know don't like pulling of people for traffic offences (unless they totally have to). Cops on the other hand take great pleasure in pulling over people for any minor indiscretion possible.
U no speaky engrish??? By cops you mean traffic officers? All police I have had pull me up in the last 18 months (2 tickets of 113, and 1 of 116, all on my bike) have taken great delight in in handing me a a piece of paper telling me what a criminal I am!!!!!!!!! I even had a joke with the last one that I told him the bike had been in the garage for 5 weeks and it needed a run, I was going downhill and I might as well turn around and ride the 2 kms home cos the feeling of freedom I experience on my bike was hereby fucked. He just laughed and said not to be like that. Why wouldn't I feel that way????

They won't split police,
a) They currently are doing everything the government could want
b) It would cost more, and possibly do a lesser job

Lou Girardin
21st December 2005, 07:03
I dunno about splitting the cops/police. Most police I know don't like pulling of people for traffic offences (unless they totally have to). Cops on the other hand take great pleasure in pulling over people for any minor indiscretion possible.

How old are you?
Do you actually remember the Traffic Cops?

tracyprier
21st December 2005, 07:50
Nope things aren't going that well for Aunty Helen are they! :dodge: :dodge: :crybaby:

Excellent! (in a Monty Burns voice)

Divot
22nd December 2005, 20:12
How old are you?
Do you actually remember the Traffic Cops?

You do Dont you!

Skyryder
23rd December 2005, 07:02
She has a deep voice but I'm way to chicken to ever consider checking for balls.

The only job where you get your balls checked is when you become Pope.

Skyryder

spudchucka
23rd December 2005, 13:47
The only job where you get your balls checked is when you become Pope.

Skyryder
Ya learn something new everyday, who would have thought it?

Swoop
2nd January 2006, 11:30
Well, credibility of the force has taken another hit with me. Y'see, I live on a state highway, and outside, right now, as all weekend, is a roadworks zone posted at 30Km/hr. So who slows down to 30? Bloody (n)early no-one! A few old nanas might have got down to 30, most bikers and (get this) boy racers dropped down to 50 or less, but Mr (and Ms) Plod see fit to carry on through at 90-100.

So Uncle Helen is going to another footy game then???:msn-wink: Don't worry, her driver will get off in court!