Everything is looking orange

[SpankMe]

Australia is burning and there's a weird orange hue to everything in Auckland today. The next generation is so screwed and those in power either don't have the balls or don't care enough to do what needs to be done.

[sidecar bob]

The next generation is so screwed and those in power either don't have the balls or don't care enough to do what needs to be done.

That's what my dad thought when he was in a WW2 P.O.W camp, but so far my life has been better than his. "Chin up" to quote Morrison.

[mashman]

Australia is burning and there's a weird orange hue to everything in Auckland today. The next generation is so screwed and those in power either don't have the balls or don't care enough to do what needs to be done.

Trump is orange too. Those in power don't know what to do. Those who vote won't listen to what needs to be done. Therefore power remains with the politically expedient. The power to change it all lies with the voter accepting what needs to be done.

[husaberg]

Caramel Snow down our way
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENJrguFUYAE4z-Q.jpghttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENJthjbU4AEXof8.jpghttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENPoVQzVAAARha2.jpg
there has been this before and also red covered from dust storms
Sad for those that have lost homes etc. but its a natural part of the ecological cycle in Australia.

[MaxPenguin]

That's what my dad thought when he was in a WW2 P.O.W camp, but so far my life has been better than his. "Chin up" to quote Morrison.

I wish people would stop looking back to ww2 for inspiration. It was 80 years ago and no longer relevant.


The fight is a different one now. It is with our greedy selves.

[frogfeaturesFZR]

I wish people would stop looking back to ww2 for inspiration. It was 80 years ago and no longer relevant.


The fight is a different one now. It is with our greedy selves.

I suspect it is his Dad who is the inspiration, rather than WW2.

[austingtir]

I wish people would stop looking back to ww2 for inspiration. It was 80 years ago and no longer relevant.


The fight is a different one now. It is with our greedy selves.


Brainwashed by communist propaganda.

Pretty sad state of affairs all round isnt it.

[nerrrd]

She’ll be right, mate.

[MaxPenguin]

Brainwashed by communist propaganda.

Pretty sad state of affairs all round isnt it.

Who is the brainwashed one?

[JimO]

Who is the brainwashed one?
you are comrade

[nodrog]

Australia isn't real anyway.

[MaxPenguin]

you are comrade

I could start a ridiculous argument about who is the most brainwashed, but I think MontyPython already covered that one.

[austingtir]

I could start a ridiculous argument about who is the most brainwashed, but I think MontyPython already covered that one.

You should watch the movie Kingdom of heaven (directors cut of course)

Greta and her cultists are just as bad as the crusader knights from 1000 years ago.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ez6wfJWVCeI

[Katman]

Australia should probably face up to the fact that they appear to be full of fucking delinquents.

Figures show that 40% of Australian bushfires are deliberately lit.

Another 47% are caused by man doing stupid shit like accidently leaving shit around that can cause fires.

Only 13% are caused by natural causes.

Anyone caught deliberately starting a fire should be sterilised.

I don't support a death penalty but surely the fucking stupidity of it all could be bred out of them.

[ellipsis]

Australia isn't real anyway.

...does that mean the little boomerang I was given by a Tassie relly was not real...you have just fucked my day...in fact my life...where is my daughter, shall I contact the authorities?...

[sidecar bob]

I wish people would stop looking back to ww2 for inspiration. It was 80 years ago and no longer relevant.
.

How did you get that from my post?
The point is that everyone thought it was the end of the world most decades for the last millenium.
Eucalyptus trees abiding by their natural life cycle doesn't signify the end of the world just because people built houses amongst them.
http://www.forest-education.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/eucalypt_adaptations.pdf
It's hardly a new thing, why do we have to create a bullshit self flaggelating scenario for a natural occurrence that's been happening for ever.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ash_Wednesday_bushfires
Am I the only person in the world that remembers the Ash Wednesday fires of '83 in first person? People are carrying on like this never happened before.
Global warming? I bet they were saying that when earth was coming out of ice age too.

[mashman]

You should watch the movie Kingdom of heaven (directors cut of course)

Greta and her cultists are just as bad as the crusader knights from 1000 years ago.

Great movie.

Negative points for being a tit. The difference being that Greta and her cultists make several exceptionally good points that aren't addressed. They're ignored because the CO2 (CO2+) argument has the potential for there being some potentially rather large holes in it, and therefore as the narrative sees it take center stage so that the brainwashed see witches everywhere by association. That does not mean that Greta and her cultists don't have many good points, but you know, witches witches everywhere.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g

[MaxPenguin]

How did you get that from my post?
The point is that everyone thought it was the end of the world most decades for the last millenium.
Eucalyptus trees abiding by their natural life cycle doesn't signify the end of the world just because people built houses amongst them.
http://www.forest-education.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/eucalypt_adaptations.pdf
It's hardly a new thing, why do we have to create a bullshit self flaggelating scenario for a natural occurrence that's been happening for ever.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ash_Wednesday_bushfires
Am I the only person in the world that remembers the Ash Wednesday fires of '83 in first person? People are carrying on like this never happened before.
Global warming? I bet they were saying that when earth was coming out of ice age too.

Difference was the end would have been from the push of a button. Now it's slow strangulation by ourselves, but don't worry as long as your portfolio is healthy, then it don't matter.

[MaxPenguin]

You should watch the movie Kingdom of heaven (directors cut of course)

Greta and her cultists are just as bad as the crusader knights from 1000 years ago.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ez6wfJWVCeI

She's just trying to help.

[sidecar bob]

Difference was the end would have been from the push of a button. Now it's slow strangulation by ourselves, but don't worry as long as your portfolio is healthy, then it don't matter.

Yeah, we've found ourselves in an interesting phase. Everyone collectively taking responsibility for the follies of the world, yet unable to take personal responsibility for their own individual fuck ups on a day to day basis.
I wonder what the trendy thing to do will be next decade.

[MaxPenguin]

I wonder what the trendy thing to do will be next decade.


Hopefully murdering environment destroying capitalists.

[sidecar bob]

Hopefully murdering environment destroy ing capitalists.

Hopefully, because that will give the unemployed an out.

[Voltaire]

I could start a ridiculous argument about who is the most brainwashed, but I think MontyPython already covered that one.

I wish people would stop quoting Monty Python. It was 50 years ago and no longer relevant.:laugh:

[Voltaire]

Hopefully murdering environment destroying capitalists.

I have memories of drinks coming in glass bottles that we took back for recycling, water came from the tap.
Groceries used to come in paper bags.
I think we had one phone that lasted for years.
Used to walk or ride a bicycle to school.
Takeaways were wrapped up in newspapers.
Stuff was expensive so it lasted for years.
:msn-wink:

I wonder if the consumers have any part to play?

[MaxPenguin]

Hopefully, because that will give the unemployed an out.

Specsavers will help your incredibly bad shortsightedness

[MaxPenguin]

I wish people would stop quoting Monty Python. It was 50 years ago and no longer relevant.:laugh:

It's art so it's relevance is not important. Still funny though.

[MaxPenguin]

I have memories of drinks coming in glass bottles that we took back for recycling, water came from the tap.
Groceries used to come in paper bags.
I think we had one phone that lasted for years.
Used to walk or ride a bicycle to school.
Takeaways were wrapped up in newspapers.
Stuff was expensive so it lasted for years.
:msn-wink:

I wonder if the consumers have any part to play?

Yes they do, also producers and marketing. Designed obsolescence is a thing taught in marketing degrees for example.

[sidecar bob]

Specsavers will help your incredibly bad shortsightedness

I guess they were saying that in 66AD
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_apocalyptic_events

[pete376403]

How did you get that from my post?
The point is that everyone thought it was the end of the world most decades for the last millenium.
Eucalyptus trees abiding by their natural life cycle doesn't signify the end of the world just because people built houses amongst them.
http://www.forest-education.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/eucalypt_adaptations.pdf
It's hardly a new thing, why do we have to create a bullshit self flaggelating scenario for a natural occurrence that's been happening for ever.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ash_Wednesday_bushfires
Am I the only person in the world that remembers the Ash Wednesday fires of '83 in first person? People are carrying on like this never happened before.
Global warming? I bet they were saying that when earth was coming out of ice age too.

And also the Black Saturday 2009 - one of my friends and his wife were among the 119 who died (at Marysville) The tragedy is that no-one seems to be learning anything from these repeated disasters.

[Laava]

I wish people would stop quoting Monty Python. It was 50 years ago and no longer relevant.:laugh:
You are clearly here for the full half hour arguement!

[jasonu]

Caramel Snow down our way
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENJrguFUYAE4z-Q.jpghttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENJthjbU4AEXof8.jpghttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENPoVQzVAAARha2.jpg
there has been this before and also red covered from dust storms
Sad for those that have lost homes etc. but its a natural part of the ecological cycle in Australia.

Is that your helicopter?

[MaxPenguin]

I guess they were saying that in 66AD
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_apocalyptic_events

If you want to bring religion into it, sure be my guest.

[austingtir]

Is that your helicopter?


Its still in one piece after the landing and I assume hasnt got dildos for seats...

[sidecar bob]

If you want to bring religion into it, sure be my guest.

Did I do that? I'm not sure you clicked on the link:msn-wink:

[nodrog]

...does that mean the little boomerang I was given by a Tassie relly was not real...you have just fucked my day...in fact my life...where is my daughter, shall I contact the authorities?...

Yep, I'm afraid it's TRUE. Ask any international pilot.

[MaxPenguin]

Did I do that? I'm not sure you clicked on the link:msn-wink:

Clicked on it and read in the first paragraph that " most predictions are based on Abrahanic religions" Didn't read any more.

[husaberg]

Is that your helicopter?

No, unless i have a late Xmas present no ones told me about?

[tri boy]

Australia should probably face up to the fact that they appear to be full of fucking delinquents.

Figures show that 40% of Australian bushfires are deliberately lit.

Another 47% are caused by man doing stupid shit like accidently leaving shit around that can cause fires.

Only 3% are caused by natural causes.

Anyone caught deliberately starting a fire should be sterilised.

I don't support a death penalty but surely the fucking stupidity of it all could be bred out of them.

Please supply your % reference. They seem incorrect. Using that rationale most outback farmers and outback town folk are hell bent on torching their own property. A lot of fire are caused by lightening strikes, and many are never recorded. So supply reference to back up your statement.

[Katman]

Please supply your % reference. They seem incorrect. Using that rationale most outback farmers and outback town folk are hell bent on torching their own property. A lot of fire are caused by lightening strikes, and many are never recorded. So supply reference to back up your statement.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/arson-mischief-and-recklessness-87-per-cent-of-fires-are-man-made-20191117-p53bcl.html

Sorry, I missed the 1 from the 13% that are started from natural causes.

[Black Knight]

I was really impressed by the colours as a result of the orange filter-The reds and greens were really red and green,and the lights were really bright just like blue LED's,never seen that before.

[austingtir]

Please supply your % reference. They seem incorrect. Using that rationale most outback farmers and outback town folk are hell bent on torching their own property. A lot of fire are caused by lightening strikes, and many are never recorded. So supply reference to back up your statement.

What about the 200+ people that have been arrested for arson?

Probably half of them are greens voters too. With another good percentage being kids that probably listened to Greta's last podcast.

In the articles one guy started 7 fires!!!

http://thedailychrenk.com/2020/01/03/australias-arson-crisis/

[austingtir]

And a "different" angle on it this was also mentioned about the fires in california:

The californian one was more convincing to me actually but this still is worth mentioning imo.

https://scontent.fakl8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/81196625_10157968847273851_3694599901028548608_n.j pg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_eui2=AeHnnJUVi5eZU59g1GudqCvtXjvBEehbfKuZk7DIV cSVDcT3OLL-yvInSWvTPGSd8RsY_-6E1O-7u0joIuk89MdlZYDkqkOTKK_hUSKGAMHkjg&_nc_ohc=ttAY-2MY2zIAQkgrIWp1LMLxHi9imSh19xbxsiD7Vqr-55pcR4OU3sOXQ&_nc_ht=scontent.fakl8-1.fna&oh=9889a76a53ed5a28ad3f3eb8e6beaca3&oe=5E94A878


https://eclinik.net/australia-bush-fires-coincide-with-proposed-high-speed-train-path-smart-cities/

[sidecar bob]

"The exact land"? Must be a bloody wide railway track.

[TheDemonLord]

Ancient Kiwi Weather Proverb:


Orange Sky at night, Australia is Alight.





That said, and bad taste jokes out the way - I watched a video of an Australian fire truck in the middle of a Burn over - it goes from 'Oh theres smoke, hmm the smoke looks a bit funny, OH SHIT IT'S A RAGING INFERNO OF HELLFIRE!' - The terror in the crews voices as they yell and pull the asbestos protectors down and start the Sprinkler system.

I've read about the speed of Bush Fires - but actually seeing how quickly it moved - Fucking terrifying!

[pritch]

The article posted by Katman is interesting, if at odds with everything I ever read previously. The author claims to be an ecological criminologist (that's a new one) so it may be entirely coincidental that he concludes that the environmental damage is caused by criminals.

In 1968 I was in a night charter flight across Australia, Sydney to Darwin, and seem to recall that there was almost always a fire in sight. That too was a bad year. There is hardly anybody living in most of the area we flew over so who the Hell is lighting the fires is a bit of a mystery.

"Death Of A Wombat" was a fifties recording, an award winning documentary with music. This morning I remembered hearing this on the radio many years ago so sought it out. I'm pleased to see that apparently it is now out of copyright so is available on YouTube. It describes how the different animals are effected by a bushfire and which one alone can beat the flames. There is about half an hour of it so you'll need an attention span longer than a goldfish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eg8Aj03_yrU

[Katman]

The article posted by Katman is interesting, if at odds with everything I ever read previously. The author claims to be an ecological criminologist (that's a new one) so it may be entirely coincidental that he concludes that the environmental damage is caused by criminals.

In 1968 I was in a night charter flight across Australia, Sydney to Darwin, and seem to recall that there was almost always a fire in sight. That too was a bad year. There is hardly anybody living in most of the area we flew over so who the Hell is lighting the fires is a bit of a mystery.

I'd be inclined to take the word of an ecological criminologist (even if that's a new one) from Monash University over your little 1968 night charter flight anecdote though.

[pritch]

I'd be inclined to take the word of an ecological criminologist (even if it's a new one) from Monash University over your little 1968 night charter flight anecdote though.

Of course you are.

I'm not saying your new hero is wrong, but the previous commonly held view was that the fires are part of the Australian ecological system. The gum trees survive the fires, when (if?) the rains come the potash from the burn makes the ground more fertile for new growth.

Perhaps an ecological criminologist has something in common with a guy who just has a hammer. To such a guy everything looks like a nail.

It would also be interesting to know how much funding he receives from the fossil fuel industry?

[pritch]

One other perplexing thing about yesterday's orange sky in Auckland. There were reportedly a large number of calls to the Police about the phenomenon. What is it with these people?
What do they expect the police to do?

Are these the same sort of people who ring 111 because their pizza delivery is taking too long?

[austingtir]

One other perplexing thing about yesterday's orange sky. There were reportedly a large number of calls to the Police about the phenomenon. What is it with these people?
What do they expect the police to do?

Are these the same sort of people who ring 111 because their pizza delivery is taking too long?


Thats what happens when you doom propagandize people with complete bullshit ala greta and co.

They become sheep and have to ask which blade of grass they should eat in case they forget to eat.

[MaxPenguin]

What about the 200+ people that have been arrested for arson?

Probably half of them are greens voters too. With another good percentage being kids that probably listened to Greta's last podcast.

In the articles one guy started 7 fires!!!

http://thedailychrenk.com/2020/01/03/australias-arson-crisis/

No. Every fire was started by someone paid by the coal industry to make it look like it was a greenie or a greta fan.
I can prove it without a doubt to as I have documents from a secret lab that I am not prepared to name, but does exist

[MD]

I have memories of drinks coming in glass bottles that we took back for recycling, water came from the tap.
Groceries used to come in paper bags.
I think we had one phone that lasted for years.
Used to walk or ride a bicycle to school.
Takeaways were wrapped up in newspapers.
Stuff was expensive so it lasted for years.
:msn-wink:

I wonder if the consumers have any part to play?

So true. The goggle wise Youth today are quick to blame their parents generation for the state of the planet but no one when I was a youth ever needed a plastic bottle to drink from every 3 to 8 minutes to avoid instant death by dehydration and said bottle must be discarded or dumped at the roadside/river/lake/bush. Or a personal computer or plastic phone glued to their face that must be thrown away annually for a new one- made from oil extracted from the ground.

Every day I walk my dog along the Waikanae river mouth and beach and I carrying a bag to pick up mostly RTD cans and RTD glass bottles and plastic bottles that I very much doubt anyone from my generation dumped. I use a supermarket bag and re-use it as many times as possible then ensure it off to the landfill, not littered.

[MaxPenguin]

So true. The goggle wise Youth today are quick to blame their parents generation for the state of the planet but no one when I was a youth ever needed a plastic bottle to drink from every 3 to 8 minutes to avoid instant death by dehydration and said bottle must be discarded or dumped at the roadside/river/lake/bush. Or a personal computer or plastic phone glued to their face that must be thrown away annually for a new one- made from oil extracted from the ground.

Every day I walk my dog along the Waikanae river mouth and beach and I carrying a bag to pick up mostly RTD cans and RTD glass bottles and plastic bottles that I very much doubt anyone from my generation dumped. I use a supermarket bag and re-use it as many times as possible then ensure it off to the landfill, not littered.

I think may be you have missed the point of the kids and that Greta chicks protest. They are not blaming the previous generation for ruining the environment, they are blaming them for being gutless and not doing anything about it now.

I get the antagonism, but the kids are just asking us to man up. And it's working.

[GazzaH]

I disagree that plastics use is linked to age, or the implication that climate change is only/primarily about plastics.

Climate change is a global issue with long-term implications. The scientific evidence is that the impacts we are already seeing are increasing, with the distinct possibility of chaotic/step changes ahead due to the complexities of our 'system' - the biosphere. The science is quite clear that human activity has and is still affecting the biosphere: what we're seeing is not just the natural climatic variation.

Those 'long-term implications' are obviously of more direct concern to the younger and future generations, than to us oldies ... but that's not so say we are careless, or that all kids are petrified about it. We can all do our bit. Whinging about youngers discarding RTD containers doesn't help.

[sidecar bob]

I think may be you have missed the point of the kids and that Greta chicks protest. They are not blaming the previous generation for ruining the environment, they are blaming them for being gutless and not doing anything about it now.

I get the antagonism, but the kids are just asking us to man up. And it's working.

Maybe they could set an example to the older generation by riding a bicycle or catching the bus to school & home again, instead of having mummy run the car in & out twice a day to run their hypocritical entitled asses about the place.

[MaxPenguin]

Maybe they could set an example to the older generation by riding a bicycle or catching the bus to school & home again, instead of having mummy run the car in & out twice a day to run their hypocritical entitled asses about the place.

Maybe they are already working on this. Have you looked into it or are you just guessing what you want to believe. Try looking at good examples and putting them forward for comment. You just may help and grow as a person.
Climate change caused by humans s a thing. Its everyone's responsibility.

[husaberg]

Maybe they could set an example to the older generation by riding a bicycle or catching the bus to school & home again, instead of having mummy run the car in & out twice a day to run their hypocritical entitled asses about the place.

Car...... they wouldn't be seen dead in a sedan, it has to be a Massive SUV.
To be fair its a lot of the mum that say they have to be picked up.

The firesor there being impact over here is certainly not a new thing. The glaciers over here have certain areas that mark the bush fires and the dust storms. Much like rings on a tree.


Funny, old Katman never mentioned this fella
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/man-charged-for-lighting-nsw-bushfire-to-protect-cannabis-crop-20191116-p53b69.html

Trains can cause a fair few fires both here and Aussie we had one a few years ago nearby and one that took out the line to CHCH for ages a few years ago.

[austingtir]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yH4zMGQH_8

[mashman]

I have memories of drinks coming in glass bottles that we took back for recycling, water came from the tap.
Groceries used to come in paper bags.
I think we had one phone that lasted for years.
Used to walk or ride a bicycle to school.
Takeaways were wrapped up in newspapers.
Stuff was expensive so it lasted for years.
:msn-wink:

I wonder if the consumers have any part to play?

And yet the owners of production are from the same generation. Kind of ironic that the very same paragons of virtue also instilled the modern day culture in their families that they bitch and moan about so much today whilst at the same time crowing about personal responsibility and the likes. Lunacy by any other name, but apparently accepted as normal :)

[austingtir]

https://mobile.twitter.com/lilearthangelk/status/1213284066755317761



https://i.postimg.cc/vm8rVDdH/Screenshot-at-Jan-06-08-33-39lololol.png


https://media1.giphy.com/media/O5NyCibf93upy/giphy.gif



Sloots are gunna sloot.

[austingtir]

^^ LMAO

4chan got her nudes and doxxed the shit out of her and the thread has already disappeared off 4chan....

If anyone finds it/them PM me. purely 4 investigative purposes of course....

[MD]

I think may be you have missed the point of the kids and that Greta chicks protest. They are not blaming the previous generation for ruining the environment, they are blaming them for being gutless and not doing anything about it now.

I get the antagonism, but the kids are just asking us to man up. And it's working.

I have to man up and concede that you have a made a good reply and yes, our generation, well those of us in positions of power, do need to face the truth and take action.
In the mean time it would help if your mates stopped littering our beautiful planet and cheap skate freedom campers can bugger off home and poo in their own countryside. I backpacked around Europe in the early 80s, camping rough at times and on beaches in Greece. It wasn't a hardship to find a public toilet or buy a coffee so we could use their loo. I realise harping on about wasteful use of plastic or crapping in the bush has nothing to do with the topic of climate change but it's the underlying lack of care and consideration for the environment that annoys me.

Then there's the cause of all our problems - over population and no politician will have the balls to do anything about that.

[roogazza]

So true. The goggle wise Youth today are quick to blame their parents generation for the state of the planet but no one when I was a youth ever needed a plastic bottle to drink from every 3 to 8 minutes to avoid instant death by dehydration and said bottle must be discarded or dumped at the roadside/river/lake/bush. Or a personal computer or plastic phone glued to their face that must be thrown away annually for a new one- made from oil extracted from the ground.

Every day I walk my dog along the Waikanae river mouth and beach and I carrying a bag to pick up mostly RTD cans and RTD glass bottles and plastic bottles that I very much doubt anyone from my generation dumped. I use a supermarket bag and re-use it as many times as possible then ensure it off to the landfill, not littered.

Cheers MD , well said !
I first noticed people (mainly women ) out walking in Australia in 1985.
All walking with water bottles !! I was out running ,like at least an hour at a time !
I didn't "dry up" on my runs so wtf ??!!

[mashman]

I have to man up and concede that you have a made a good reply and yes, our generation, well those of us in positions of power, do need to face the truth and take action.
In the mean time it would help if your mates stopped littering our beautiful planet and cheap skate freedom campers can bugger off home and poo in their own countryside. I backpacked around Europe in the early 80s, camping rough at times and on beaches in Greece. It wasn't a hardship to find a public toilet or buy a coffee so we could use their loo. I realise harping on about wasteful use of plastic or crapping in the bush has nothing to do with the topic of climate change but it's the underlying lack of care and consideration for the environment that annoys me.

Then there's the cause of all our problems - over population and no politician will have the balls to do anything about that.

I did not see that ending coming :killingme....

Overpopulation isn't the cause of all our problems. I agree that it is a problem, but it too is a symptom of the actual problem.

This is evidence, not opinion.

Mankind uses 1.7 sustainable planets each year to maintain business as usual i.e. keep the economy going... NZ uses 2.9 each year by itself.

80% of the worlds population are claimed to be living on 20% of that which is produced. As such, and given a population of 7.6 billion, 6.08 billion live on 0.34 sustainable planets. Conversely that leaves 1.52 billion people living on 1.36 sustainable planets. As such, that 80% could off themselves and those who are left would still be unsustainable and wrecking the environment in the name of business.

Sprinkle a little obsolescence inspired inefficiency to ensure repeat custom, and the fate of the environment is all but set in stone... because when a business requires resources, it plans ahead to ensure that the resources required are available in the future, and if business doesn't, it goes out of business. As such, when I say set in stone, I mean already in the pipeline as they are already budgeted for with services contracted etc... to be extracted given that business needs to sell that stuff in order to remain in business

As such, the evidence states that it ain't wotcha do it's the way that yer doing it. And given that capitalism requires growth etc... so the population will need to rise. Business As usual is killing us. The data is telling us to stop approximately 50% of global production. People, it would seem, think that that is extreme. Now that is an opinion, and an exceptionally willfully ignorant one according to the evidence........ but hey.

[MaxPenguin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yH4zMGQH_8

So what he is saying is,

Its not our problem so do nothing, and the solution is to literally and figuratively put out fires.

What a knob.

[mashman]

So what he is saying is,

Its not our problem so do nothing, and the solution is to literally and figuratively put out fires.

What a knob.

Weird... I got,

Even if it is climate change driven, the solutions being put forwards aren't doing the job... no matter how loudly you shout at the PM, and no matter what your political preference is.

A knob?

[MD]

Overpopulation isn't the cause of all our problems. I agree that it is a problem, but it too is a symptom of the actual problem.



I have to disagree. Over population is the cause of all our environmental and climate problems, not a symptom. If the global population had never exceeded say 500 million people instead of the est. 9 billion now (and climbing faster every day) there would have never been a few billion vehicles, planes and train spitting out Co2 most of last century, less polluting factories, less polluting people, never would have been billions of tonnes of rubbished dumped weekly around the globe, probably less wars with fewer people the need to fight over territory would be reduced, less demand on arable land for housing/roads/buildings etc, less demand on our now diminishing animal and fish stocks, less deforestation and less species extinctions with less need for man to encroach outward.

You say business and the economy are killing us because they must always grow. Why must they grow- to feed growing demand by people. Therefore reduce the people-reduce the demand. So what if we are forced to face a downturn in economic living standards. That's still better than inevitable extinction.

I can see a flaw in the logic that we need constant growth to survive. Following that logic to it's natural conclusion we will need to 'be more efficient' in order to sustain 19 billion people soon, then 'more efficient' again to sustain 29b, 49b, 99b... To infinity and beyond is actually a comic line not a planet wide survival plan.

[Jeeper]

Interesting view on over population of humans. The one billion mark was not passed until the early 1800s, the two billion mark not until the 1920s and now another 100 years down we are close to 9 billion. Something has to give, particularly if production efficiency has not grown at the same pace.

UN study in 2012 suggested the earth can sustain peak population of about 9 billion before population growth ought to or will start to decline for various reasons about 2100 onwards.

This planet cannot sustain infinite number of humans. New ways of sustainability have to be found, soon.

[MaxPenguin]

Interesting view on over population of humans. The one billion mark was not passed until the early 1800s, the two billion mark not until the 1920s and now another 100 years down we are close to 9 billion. Something has to give, particularly if production efficiency has not grown at the same pace.

UN study in 2012 suggested the earth can sustain peak population of about 9 billion before population growth ought to or will start to decline for various reasons about 2100 onwards.

This planet cannot sustain infinite number of humans. New ways of sustainability have to be found, soon.

Something has already given.

You know, I don't give a fuck about the survival of the human race, we don't deserve this place,

[austingtir]

^^

LMAO at the hysterics.


Anyway this is the first time I think iv seen old Tony Abbott talk any sense:

https://amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jan/03/tony-abbott-former-australian-pm-tells-israeli-radio-the-world-is-in-the-grip-of-a-climate-cult?fbclid=IwAR3gzQimSqUYEmq8akPDMFZun-0eDC_NCbERyb5EZJ8xQVIXt4mT4L_JXfE

[Katman]

Something has already given.

You know, I don't give a fuck about the survival of the human race, we don't deserve this place,

I like to think some of us do but...…

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[pritch]

Then there's the cause of all our problems - over population and no politician will have the balls to do anything about that.

Well they might, but most of them won't telegraph it in advance. Trump? Well I guess he'll probably announce WW3 on Twitter. Accidentally of course.

[Jeeper]

Changes in climate inevitable and part of how this planet has evolved. At best they are symptoms caused by many underlying factors. One of these factors is likely to be exponential growth of human population in the last two hundred years, compared to say last 10k years.

There has to be some correlation between the changes we are seeing and human activity and need for sustenance.

I'm not hysterical about any impending doom, just curious to better understand what the drivers might be and how can I minimise my impact.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200107/a930cca5b79cfb45796324ed0801d94f.jpg

[mashman]

I have to disagree. Over population is the cause of all our environmental and climate problems, not a symptom. If the global population had never exceeded say 500 million people instead of the est. 9 billion now (and climbing faster every day) there would have never been a few billion vehicles, planes and train spitting out Co2 most of last century, less polluting factories, less polluting people, never would have been billions of tonnes of rubbished dumped weekly around the globe, probably less wars with fewer people the need to fight over territory would be reduced, less demand on arable land for housing/roads/buildings etc, less demand on our now diminishing animal and fish stocks, less deforestation and less species extinctions with less need for man to encroach outward.

You say business and the economy are killing us because they must always grow. Why must they grow- to feed growing demand by people. Therefore reduce the people-reduce the demand. So what if we are forced to face a downturn in economic living standards. That's still better than inevitable extinction.

I can see a flaw in the logic that we need constant growth to survive. Following that logic to it's natural conclusion we will need to 'be more efficient' in order to sustain 19 billion people soon, then 'more efficient' again to sustain 29b, 49b, 99b... To infinity and beyond is actually a comic line not a planet wide survival plan.

Those numbers I put forwards are actuals, not projections. However the projections are already in business plans around the world, because businesses are generating those actual numbers, and are guaranteed to add to those already increasing numbers in terms of sustainability that see just about every country around the world consume more than it can replace in any given year. That does not end well, but that is what the evidence is saying is happening. No opinion. The actuals.

I completely take your points regarding the economics of servicing our global population, and to a certain extent the "demand" generated by the people. I completely agree that overpopulation is A problem... but the evidence does not say that it is THE problem, because 6.08 million people exist using 0.34 sustainable planets. The vast majority of the population. Proven sustainable by the data. Way more than 500 million. What are the rest doing so differently? The answer to that revolves around us selling bits of planet for money (business as usual) and needing money to buy bits of planet with. Even where that economic behaviour is done hounourably and with the purest of financial systems, that collective behaviour is still unsustainable and pollutes to extinction level for an increasing number of canary species in the coal mine. And that's outwith any potential climate change.

The evidence states that globally we need to stop approximately 50% of that which we produce simply to be sustainable. No financial system can handle the number of people who need to become unemployed. Demand is generated for many reasons. The amount of crap that is produced in the world and that now lives in landfills and oceans etc... is staggering. We have the rubbish to prove just how much planet we use to coduct business as usual in some countries. So much so that masses of rubbish used to be exported and is now being redirected to landfill since the plastic collection in NZ was limited to 1 and 2 etc...

Now then, who's going to volunteer to put themselves out of business because what they produce isn't essential to the future of mankind? I will lament only the passing of coca-cola.

[FJRider]

Caramel Snow down our way

there has been this before and also red covered from dust storms
Sad for those that have lost homes etc. but its a natural part of the ecological cycle in Australia.

And the ecological cycle in NZ too. People seem to have forgotten the volcano in the central North island going boom a few years back. And more than once.

[Coldrider]

When Taupo last erupted, the Romans documented it.

Everthing burns, fast burn is when it decays by fire, slow burn is when it slowly decays when buried. Burns is still the same.

Life needs oxygen, trees need carbon. You have to have one to get the other.