Warning to all kiwi bikers... Stand up be kiwi

[Pacman]

Hi All
I am new to kiwi biker. I have recently been pulled over by our lovely local cop John Hamilton in Christchurch He pulled me over for the wrong number plate Your driving is fine and you are not speeding (9am new years day on highway 1 outside Kaiapoi) Photo taken of rear of Motorcycle Photo taken of side of Motorcycle. and Im on my way....
Week later in the mail...
20 points $50 fine None issue NZTA Number plate
25 points $50 fine for noise pollution

Number Plate (It is side mounted raised black lettering white reflected background) This is the requirement of a NZ number plate BUT this is not NZTA Issued so 20 point $50 fine what the hell it has passed WOF for 15 years with this number plate.... ok new rules?????

Noise pollution... from a photo Yes that right there is NO decibel reading needed by law in NZ It is up to the policeman to determine if he thinks anything is loud. He can pull over anyone he likes Cars Trucks Motorbikes any road vehicle at all. Take a photo and send you a ticket for Noise pollution and you will lose in court. Because its the law....
The same police man can also make the same judgement on your speed he does not need a radar reading to give you a ticket. It is up to he's discretion and his 20 years experience on wether you were speeding or not..... THIS IS LAW
HOW CAN THIS BE???????
STAND UP BE KIWI
how do we make a stand against this kind of law???? how can this be LAW

[onearmedbandit]

You could challenge both if you had evidence to support. A friend of mine many moons ago was charged with speeding, not measured but assumed. Said friend worked out the police officers claim of where he saw him and where he was moments later would've meant that his bike could accelerate far quicker than physically possible. His case was dismissed in court.

[Bonez]

Is BRONZ still a thing?

Thre CB550 has the old black background and silver letters/numbers and no issues.

I'd like to know the exact wording wrt to number plates as layed out by NZTA. Maybe those enlightened folk who do this for a living can chime in.

[Bonez]

Well that was easy https://www.nzta.govt.nz/vehicles/licensing-rego/number-plates/

Looks like you lucked out on the plate. It clarely staits "Only plates issued by the Transport Agency and its agents are legal. Plates purchased anywhere else are unacceptable."

Can't find anything with respect to noice polution so it's obviously a subjective thing. See if one of the testing srtations has a Db meter and get a reading. If it's not too bad challenge that fine. If you can hear your bike two blocks away hard luck. It's pobably covered in Local Body bylaws or such like.

[Bonez]

Oh and welcome to KB. Your life will never be the same again.

[Conquiztador]

Number Plate (It is side mounted raised black lettering white reflected background) This is the requirement of a NZ number plate BUT this is not NZTA Issued so 20 point $50 fine what the hell it has passed WOF for 15 years with this number plate.... ok new rules?????
REPLY: The number plate is not a road safety issue, therefore the WOF does not care about your plate. Police on the other hand do. if your plate is not of the NZ approved ones it could be that it is one you have made at home. Imagine if people were allowed to make their own plates... I think I have somewhere read that you can only use plates approved by the Ministry. (Personalized Plates manufacturers have the OK to make them)


Noise pollution... from a photo Yes that right there is NO decibel reading needed by law in NZ It is up to the policeman to determine if he thinks anything is loud. He can pull over anyone he likes Cars Trucks Motorbikes any road vehicle at all. Take a photo and send you a ticket for Noise pollution and you will lose in court. Because its the law....
REPLY: This is a BS one. He knows you can get out of it, but it will mean that you have to take the bike in to test the dB of the exhaust. As you have a picture (that he did take...) you could prove that the dB test was done with that muffler.


The same police man can also make the same judgement on your speed he does not need a radar reading to give you a ticket. It is up to he's discretion and his 20 years experience on wether you were speeding or not..... THIS IS LAW
HOW CAN THIS BE???????
REPLY: No idea how this is allowed. But yes, I have been on the wrong side of this one too. As I know that I did go faster than the 120K/h he estimated I just put it down to one of those things, counted myself lucky that he did not have a radar and paid.

[pete376403]

OP - your user description says you ride H-D so my confirmation bias suggests to me that your bike has straight pipes ("shotgun pipes") or similar but definitely not the mufflers that the bike came from the factory with. Post a picture to prove otherwise. My bias (based on my observations of how most HD riders I see) also suggests to me that when the Popo first encountered you, it was as you were accelerating hard, out of a corner, from a stoplight, etc., and the noise level was all out of proportion to the surrounding traffic, and the actual rate of acceleration for that matter At that point the Popo well and truly got a hair in his arse and decided to get you for whatever he could. Probably the only reason you didn't get a speeding ticket as well is because you were riding an H-D and not a modern bike.

[Bonez]

OP - your user description says you ride H-D so my confirmation bias suggests to me that your bike has straight pipes ("shotgun pipes") or similar but definitely not the mufflers that the bike came from the factory with. Post a picture to prove otherwise. My bias (based on my observations of how most HD riders I see) also suggests to me that when the Popo first encountered you, it was as you were accelerating hard, out of a corner, from a stoplight, etc., and the noise level was all out of proportion to the surrounding traffic, and the actual rate of acceleration for that matter At that point the Popo well and truly got a hair in his arse and decided to get you for whatever he could. Probably the only reason you didn't get a speeding ticket as well is because you were riding an H-D and not a modern bike.
Fuck you have those idiots down your way as well? Also they tend to lane split in the most dangerous manner expecting every other motorist to get out of their way.

[Jeff Sichoe]

Sounds like he got you fair and square?

Numberplate - illegal
stupid loud pipes? - change them

[Scuba_Steve]

The noise thing pisses me off. I've never been done for it & am unlikely to ever be done for it BUT we used to have a known measurable noise level now it's "I've decided it's too loud" or "I'm grumpy/don't like you therefore it's too loud"
That to me is BS, there's no way to protect against it especially on something like a Harley which leave the factory loud (course the answer there is don't ride Harleys)

[F5 Dave]

Well that was easy https://www.nzta.govt.nz/vehicles/licensing-rego/number-plates/

Looks like you lucked out on the plate. . . .

I don't think 'Luck' had anything to do with it.

I don't like the Font of my drivers licence, actually I'm not mad on the picture. Maybe I should make my own version, and maybe wear a Cape for the pictures? Should be ok shouldn't it?

[Jeff Sichoe]

The noise thing pisses me off. I've never been done for it & am unlikely to ever be done for it BUT we used to have a known measurable noise level now it's "I've decided it's too loud" or "I'm grumpy/don't like you therefore it's too loud"
That to me is BS, there's no way to protect against it especially on something like a Harley which leave the factory loud (course the answer there is don't ride Harleys)

Motorbikes with engine capacity of 125cm3 or less (classes LC, LD, LE)
96 dBA
Motorbikes with engine capacity of more than 125cm3 (classes LC, LD, LE)
100 dBA

https://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/rules/vehicle-equipment-amendment-2007-qa/

Also has details on the subjective and objective tests 'they' can use to determine volume.

The devil is in the detail however;

What are the wording changes for the subjective test?

The previous wording of the subjective noise test stated that the exhaust noise output:

“must not be noticeably and significantly louder than the noise output from the vehicle’s original exhaust system at the time of the vehicle’s manufacture”.

The amended Vehicle Equipment Rule revises the wording so that the exhaust noise output:

“must be less than, or similar to, the noise output from the vehicle’s original exhaust system at the time of the vehicle’s manufacture”.

[pritch]

you were accelerating hard, out of a corner, from a stoplight, etc., and the noise level was all out of proportion to the surrounding traffic, and the actual rate of acceleration for that matter

A tad unkind. By no means unfair but... :innocent:

[Kickaha]

there's no way to protect against it especially on something like a Harley which leave the factory loud

They're fairly quiet ex factory

[F5 Dave]

Re-read original post.

Stand up Kiwi!

I got a $50 fine for being a dick. And now I'm having a cry. Join me in the revolution. Let's fire bomb Plunkett. They've been asking for it for a while.

Everyone tie you handlebar tassels on the opposite sides. That will show these Barstards who we really are.

[Bonez]

No pics of said pipes yet either.

[Navy Boy]

Mmm, an interesting one this. My H-D has its standard pipes fitted and will stay that way. At the moment we seem to have more than our fair share of H-D riders down our way and they aren't the most social of types.

Still, each to their own I guess :facepalm:

[FJRider]

Hi All
I am new to kiwi biker. I have recently been pulled over by our lovely local cop John Hamilton in Christchurch He pulled me over for the wrong number plate Your driving is fine and you are not speeding (9am new years day on highway 1 outside Kaiapoi) Photo taken of rear of Motorcycle Photo taken of side of Motorcycle. and Im on my way....
Week later in the mail...
20 points $50 fine None issue NZTA Number plate
25 points $50 fine for noise pollution

Just standard Police procedure for officers having a busy day. You were unlucky to be stopped. BUT ... you were. I hope you didn't make a "Revenue Gatherer's" type comment. Apparently they (well some) don't like that.


Number Plate (It is side mounted raised black lettering white reflected background) This is the requirement of a NZ number plate BUT this is not NZTA Issued so 20 point $50 fine what the hell it has passed WOF for 15 years with this number plate.... ok new rules?????

The rules (as already stated) are clear. You WERE in breach of Legislation. suck it up and pay.


Noise pollution... from a photo Yes that right there is NO decibel reading needed by law in NZ It is up to the policeman to determine if he thinks anything is loud. He can pull over anyone he likes Cars Trucks Motorbikes any road vehicle at all. Take a photo and send you a ticket for Noise pollution and you will lose in court. Because its the law....
The same police man can also make the same judgement on your speed he does not need a radar reading to give you a ticket. It is up to he's discretion and his 20 years experience on wether you were speeding or not..... THIS IS LAW
HOW CAN THIS BE???????
STAND UP BE KIWI
how do we make a stand against this kind of law???? how can this be LAW

You DO have a legal right to fight it in Court. Get the pipes officially tested with a printed result. If it is UNDER the legal requirement ... Fight it in court. Some judges don't like the "Ticket Seller" cops either. If you know they are too loud ... fighting it is pointless. If the pipes are under the specified max limit ... NOT fighting it is gutless.

The ball is now in your court. Do something or do nothing ... and pay the fines.

[Swoop]

Number Plate (It is side mounted raised black lettering white reflected background) This is the requirement of a NZ number plate BUT this is not NZTA Issued so 20 point $50 fine what the hell it has passed WOF for 15 years with this number plate.... ok new rules?????

Presumably you refer to your number plate being mounted vertically, rather than horizontally? Possibly on one side of your bike?
A plate has to be visible from behind and off to the side (exact angles are in the reference document used for bikes) so yours might not be visible from one side?

As for the pipes on a harley fergusson. They make a loud farting noise which isn't exactly pleasant, so get them neutred.

[Bonez]

EMGO make some nice muflers at around $150 a pop as opposed to $750 ones with silly huge logos on them.

[Kickaha]

I got a $50 fine for being a dick. And now I'm having a cry.

Nice assessment

[Katman]

I was told by the NZTA inspector that carried out my last WOF audit that you'd be surprised at how loud an exhaust needs to be before it would fail the decibel test.

If it's good enough for the cops to say "I think it's too loud", it's good enough for me to say "I think it's fine".

[jasonu]

If it's good enough for the cops to say "I think it's too loud", it's good enough for me to say "I think it's fine".

I agree except a cop can give you a nice big ticket if he says its too loud.
Then it's up to you to either pay up or take the time off work etc to fight it.
The cunts have you over a barrel and they know it.

[Katman]

I agree except a cop can give you a nice big ticket if he says its too loud.


I think legally they can only order you to have the decibel reading measured.

Of course, that's at your expense - so it's much the same as paying an infringement fine.

[MaxPenguin]

I think legally they can only order you to have the decibel reading measured.

Of course, that's at your expense - so it's much the same as paying an infringement fine.

Or how about getting it soundchecked for legality before you go out on the roads?

[Katman]

Or how about getting it soundchecked for legality before you go out on the roads?

Nah, I'm more in the 'Tell the Cops to get Fucked' camp.

[sidecar bob]

Nah, I'm more in the 'Tell the Cops to get Fucked' camp.

How's that working out for you?:Police:

[Katman]

How's that working out for you?:Police:

Doing fine so far.

[sidecar bob]

Doing fine so far.

I'm picking you haven't actually told a cop to get fucked directly yet then.:yawn:

[Katman]

I'm picking you haven't actually told a cop to get fucked directly yet then.:yawn:

Oh, if only you knew.

[sidecar bob]

Oh, if only you knew.

Refer to post 29.

[rastuscat]

Had a factory standard HD go past me this afternoon as I was cylcing. Heavy traffic, he was going about the same speed as all the traffic, and so was I.

Clearly he was happy with the size of his manhood, as he still had the factory pipes. Basically no louder than the Toyota ute he was behind. Basically dead quiet.

Just sayin.

[Katman]

Refer to post 29.

I had a Harley seized from my workshop a few months ago leaving me with a $1750 unpaid bill.

Several police officers were told to get fucked that day.

[MaxPenguin]

I had a Harley seized from my workshop a few months ago leaving me with a $1750 unpaid bill.

Several police officers were told to get fucked that day.

If you hadn't forgotten to put oil in it, it may not have seized.

[Bonez]

If you hadn't forgotten to put oil in it, it may not have seized.You've certainly got the hang of the place very quickly. Well done.

[sidecar bob]

I had a Harley seized from my workshop a few months ago leaving me with a $1750 unpaid bill.

Several police officers were told to get fucked that day.

Do you usually shoot the messenger?
What about the 'tard that caused the drama? You didn't tell him to get fucked I assume?
Or did the Harley belong to the police?

[Bonez]

Do you usually shoot the messenger?
What about the 'tard that caused the drama? You didn't tell him to get fucked I assume?
Or did the Harley belong to the police?Maybe the owner was a member of the Patriots Motorcycle Club. Current/Ex Cops/Servicemen/Firemen/Amulsanceman. Of course per supposition and wearing a tin foil hat on my part :}

An ex work colleage, ex Army transport, who is in the club. He was so tight he wanted to use my Ullyses membership number to get a cheap ferry crossing across Cook Strait. I told him to get fucked.

And yes he rode a Harley Ferguson.

[Katman]

Do you usually shoot the messenger?
What about the 'tard that caused the drama? You didn't tell him to get fucked I assume?
Or did the Harley belong to the police?

One day I might be bothered to tell you the full story.

But probably not.

[sidecar bob]

One day I might be bothered to tell you the full story.

But probably not.
I'm sure I will cope with not knowing the details of you abusing someone that only went to work to do their job..:rolleyes:

[rastuscat]

Here's the piece of law in regard to noisy exhausts.

It's the same standard for motorcycles and cars, trucks etc. Motorcycles don't get a special exemption, the standard is the same.

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You may note that there are effectively 2 rules. One where a subjective judgement is made, and one where an objective judgement is made.

The roadside judgement by an officer is based on their subjective view of how loud a vehicle was with it's standard exhaust when it was manufactured.

If the exhaust has been modified and is louder than the factory standard, it breaks the rule in question. That's the subjective test.

What rips my undies about it is that there are demerits. Yet there are no demerits for going through a red light, or not wearing a seat belt.

This particular noise law was introduced as a reaction to the boy racer issue some years back.

I also note that the OP has blogged the same post elsewhere. Poor form.

[Dodgy]

Hi Rastuscat

Are you going to organise a coffee and ride sometime?

cheers

Simon