A fictional pandemic scenario?

[Katman]

Check out the date on the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoLw-Q8X174

[mashman]

Check out the date on the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoLw-Q8X174

I didn't watch the video... what does it cover? I read something a few minutes ago stating that the virus is a cover for bailing out those who need bailouts, because bailing out the stockmarket repeatedly does not equate to economic recovery they've found lol. Essentially we're seeing a debt jubilee by stealth.

[Bonez]

Anyone old enough to remember the Brit tv series surviver?

[Katman]

I didn't watch the video... what does it cover?

A 'supposedly' fictional pandemic scenario.

[mashman]

A 'supposedly' fictional pandemic scenario.

Ah, a bit like the plane crashing into the twin towers that no one had ever considered despite the fact that such a scenario was shown on TV a few years before?

[Katman]

Ah, a bit like the plane crashing into the twin towers that no one had ever considered despite the fact that such a scenario was shown on TV a few years before?

Yes, that's the first thought that sprung to mind.

(And despite the war game exercise that was going on at the same time in which the same scenario was being considered).

[Katman]

And let's not forget the exercise being carried out on 7/7 that examined the 'fictional' idea of explosives being placed on the London Underground.

[mashman]

And let's not forget the exercise being carried out on 7/7 that examined the 'fictional' idea of explosives being placed on the London Underground.

Indeed. And the question marks over the Boston Bombing being allowed to happen... at the same time as "disaster" training was taking place in the immediate area. And who can forget the blatant lies spread that gave the green light for the invasion of Iraq... then Syria, and.............

I guess the kids'll find out once the documents have been declassified in about 75 years.

[Katman]

I guess the kids'll find out once the documents have been declassified in about 75 years.

And even then the fucking idiots will claim that the events were just unexplained coincidences.

[mashman]

And even then the fucking idiots will claim that the events were just unexplained coincidences.

:killingme Gold. If it continues, I doubt we'll last that long to find out to be honest. Tell you what though, even though it'd be an, oh ferfecksake moment of pretty epic proportions where they don't come in peace, it'd still be pretty cool to see a spaceship.

[Katman]

I mean, ffs they even call the virus Coronavirus in the 'fictional' simulation.

Just how fucking stupid do you have to be to not start asking serious questions about the true origins of the current crisis?

[slofox]

It's a plot I say - a plot - A PLOT - A PLOT!

Actually I have been saying to people that if they wanted to write a novel (fictional?) about bringing down the system they should just report what is happening right now.

[Kickaha]

I mean, ffs they even call the virus Coronavirus in the 'fictional' simulation.

Just how fucking stupid do you have to be to not start asking serious questions about the true origins of the current crisis?

Do you realise just how common the corona virus in various forms is ?

[Katman]

Do you realise just how common the corona virus in various forms is ?

And the current virus is a coronavirus as opposed to any other sort of virus.

What was the point you were trying to make?

[onearmedbandit]

And the current virus is a coronavirus as opposed to any other sort of virus.

What was the point you were trying to make?

I'm guessing that if you were to simulate an easy to spread natural contagion you'd be safe to use a coronavirus as an example.

[Katman]

And if you really think coronaviruses are so common amongst other forms of viruses, have a read....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_virus_species

[onearmedbandit]

And if you really think coronaviruses are so common amongst other forms of viruses, have a read....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_virus_species

Without reading the facts behind all those I can't comment on their transmission rates etc so the number of viruses means little.

[mashman]

I mean, ffs they even call the virus Coronavirus in the 'fictional' simulation.

Just how fucking stupid do you have to be to not start asking serious questions about the true origins of the current crisis?

heh... that may well be the intent given the timing between suggestion and outbreak, but there are 7 or 9 (can't remember off the top of my head) "variations" of animal borne coronavirus that they've found, so it's likely that the naming is more by "accident" than anything else. The timing though, and the state of the economy, would lead me to think that it was released for economic purposes. Like yourself, happy for it to be a complete coincidence, but there is a track record there that's hard to ignore.

[Katman]

….so it's likely that the naming is more by "accident" than anything else.

Unless they already knew what sort of virus we'd be dealing with.

[onearmedbandit]

Unless they already knew what sort of virus we'd be dealing with.

If that was the case were they just trying to fool us by leaving a smoking gun for everyone to find?

[Katman]

If that was the case were they just trying to fool us by leaving a smoking gun for everyone to find?

I think you underestimate just how fucking stupid the average person is.

[onearmedbandit]

I think you underestimate just how fucking stupid the average person is.

Certainly not I’ll have you know. But even so it still seems rather sloppy to make the trail so easy to spot, if that were the case.

[mashman]

Unless they already knew what sort of virus we'd be dealing with.

Totally within the realms of possibility by a pretty decent margin I reckon, but meh.

[mashman]

Certainly not I’ll have you know. But even so it still seems rather sloppy to make the trail so easy to spot, if that were the case.

Some reasoning goes as follows: "they" have to announce their intentions before they can become manifest, literally, boldly, full of love praying to God level intention. As such, they do not hide what they do. Some people have devoted their entire lives following "them" in their various guises, and a recurring theme is public announcement. The music industry is rife with all sorts of symbolism and cults, as is the movie industry... all to extents that truly defy belief. Not so hard when there's no one to stop one as one holds all of the seats in all of the houses in all of the world... and so on and so forth.

[Katman]

Certainly not I’ll have you know. But even so it still seems rather sloppy to make the trail so easy to spot, if that were the case.

It's called hiding something in plain view.

[onearmedbandit]

It's called hiding something in plain view.

Yes of course, but that does not mean that it applies to any given situation.

[Katman]

Yes of course, but that does not mean that it applies to any given situation.

But there is always the potential that it could be applied to any given situation.

[onearmedbandit]

But there is always the potential that it could be applied to any given situation.

Totally. Neither perspective negates the other as a possibility.

In this situation running the scenario with a completely different type of virus would have hardly raised any alarm bells if their agenda was to release a caronavirus soon after. IMO.

[Katman]

In this situation running the scenario with a completely different type of virus would have hardly raised any alarm bells if their agenda was to release a caronavirus soon after. IMO.

Fair enough.

But the naming of the virus isn't the main issue here.

Just my opinion.

[onearmedbandit]

I mean, ffs they even call the virus Coronavirus in the 'fictional' simulation.

Just how fucking stupid do you have to be to not start asking serious questions about the true origins of the current crisis?


Fair enough.

But the naming of the virus isn't the main issue here.

Just my opinion.

Granted it's not, rather the timing. But it was a point you raised.

As Gareth pointed out elsewhere Bill Gates talked of a caronavirus threat 5yrs ago and pleaded that we spend more money and resources on fighting this possibility. It makes sense then if action was taken there would be more attention diverted to this, including running scenarios to model the possible effects. At fear of being called a fucking idiot maybe this is just a coincidence. That is plausible.

[Katman]

At fear of being called a fucking idiot maybe this is just a coincidence. That is plausible.

And as I've pointed out, there seems to be incredible coincidences in so many of these monumental occurrences we're experiencing.

[onearmedbandit]

And as I've pointed out, there seems to be incredible coincidences in so many of these monumental occurrences we're experiencing.

Which once again doesn't mean that every event is organised in advance. Proof could come out that the others you mentioned were planned but that still wouldn't mean this one is the same.

I just want to point out that I'm not against the idea that some governments and others in positions of wealth and power have manipulated and create events with nefarious intent. And this one could be the same. However I'd need pretty damning evidence to accept it.

[Katman]

I just want to point out that I'm not against the idea that some governments and others in positions of wealth and power have manipulated and create events with nefarious intent. And this one could be the same. However I'd need pretty damning evidence to accept it.

And that's all I've ever called for in people.

To keep an open mind and not be ashamed to question things.

[Euro2018]

Anyone old enough to remember the Brit tv series surviver?

yes.
Rewatched it a few years ago, also the 2008 remake.

[Kickaha]

And the current virus is a coronavirus as opposed to any other sort of virus.

What was the point you were trying to make?

Given that SARs was also a coronavirus and in the not to distant past I wouldn't be surprised that was why they chose to use it


And if you really think coronaviruses are so common amongst other forms of viruses, have a read..

I didn't say anything about "amongst other forms of viruses" I just said it was "common"


I think you underestimate just how fucking stupid the average person is.

KB has shown over and over again just how fucking stupid people can be

[Katman]

KB has shown over and over again just how fucking stupid people can be

Afuckingmen.

[TheDemonLord]

Although I suspect I know the answer - did you ever play the online game Pandemic 2? It was released in 2008.

It's a silly flash game, where the goal is to infect the entire population of the Globe.

The reason I bring it up, is because there are certain 'game mechanics' that have real-world equivalences, such as how long someone can be a carrier before symptoms start showing - which seems to be a major difference between this evolution of Coronavirus and SARS.

When pandemics are hypothesized, often varients of Influenza or other highly mutable, transmittable (which includes Coronavirus) diseases are used.

Just a thought.

[Naki Rat]

Unless they already knew what sort of virus we'd be dealing with.The possibility of "patient zero" being identified on November 17th may mean that he had been contracted the virus 7-14 days prior to that (article lacks detail in this respect) puts this right on top of the release date of the YouTube video. A bit sus?
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3074991/coronavirus-chinas-first-confirmed-covid-19-case-traced-back

[Katman]

A bit sus?

Convenient at the very least.

[Gearup]

And that's all I've ever called for in people.

To keep an open mind and not be ashamed to question things.


That's certainly fair.

[Katman]

That's certainly fair.

You'd think so, wouldn't you?

Unfortunately, raising questions seems to scare a large number of people on here.

Clearly it risks bursting their little safety bubbles.

[Gearup]

You'd think so, wouldn't you?

Unfortunately, raising questions seems to scare a large number of people on here.

Clearly it risks bursting their little safety bubbles.


It depends what it's used for I suppose. Some people may see it as stirring, others may be scared etc.

[onearmedbandit]

You'd think so, wouldn't you?

Unfortunately, raising questions seems to scare a large number of people on here.

Clearly it risks bursting their little safety bubbles.

I teach my children to challenge what they are taught, what they read and hear. I want them asking questions.

[Naki Rat]

I teach my children to challenge what they are taught, what they read and hear. I want them asking questions.Definitely a good skill to impart to the younger generation considering the attitude of so many now to just accept all they read, hear and see online, much of which is utter bollocks.

[nerrrd]

You'd think so, wouldn't you?

Unfortunately, raising questions seems to scare a large number of people on here.

Clearly it risks bursting their little safety bubbles.

Anything is possible. But coincidence surely isn't evidence? Show me some convincing evidence and I'll consider my bubble burst.

Proving something beyond a reasonable doubt is never easy, just look at the 'justice' system.

[jellywrestler]

Granted it's not, rather the timing. But it was a point you raised.

As Gareth pointed out elsewhere Bill Gates talked of a caronavirus threat 5yrs ago .

it was on the simpsons too, it's not rocket science

[Katman]

Show me some convincing evidence and I'll consider my bubble burst.

Why do you need someone to show you stuff?

Do you lack an inquiring mind?

[nerrrd]

Why do you need someone to show you stuff?

Do you lack an inquiring mind?

Errr let me rephrase that...if I was to come across some convincing evidence I would be convinced?

I do generally like to think about things a bit.

[Katman]

I do generally like to think about things a bit.

You could start by asking yourself just how believable the 'coincidences' that occurred during the four major events mentioned so far in this thread, are.

That's four major 'coincidences' in four major world events.

And I'm sure we can think of a few many more.

[Naki Rat]

Granted it's not, rather the timing. But it was a point you raised.

As Gareth pointed out elsewhere Bill Gates talked of a caronavirus threat 5yrs ago and pleaded that we spend more money and resources on fighting this possibility. It makes sense then if action was taken there would be more attention diverted to this, including running scenarios to model the possible effects. At fear of being called a fucking idiot maybe this is just a coincidence. That is plausible.Never mind Bill Gates' prediction, Laurie Garrett warned of the likelihood of a global pandemic much like COVID-19 is demonstrating itself to be in her 1995 book 'The Coming Plague'.

Mass global travel, concentrated population centres (cities), compromised diets and under resourced health systems all play their part in tipping the balance in favour of the microbes.
https://www.bookdepository.com/Coming-Plague-Laurie-Garrett/9780140250916

[Gearup]

Never mind Bill Gates' prediction, Laurie Garrett warned of the likelihood of a global pandemic much like COVID-19 is demonstrating itself to be in her 1995 book 'The Coming Plague'.

Mass global travel, concentrated population centres (cities), compromised diets and under resourced health systems all play their part in tipping the balance in favour of the microbes.
https://www.bookdepository.com/Coming-Plague-Laurie-Garrett/9780140250916


I've got a copy on my desk as I write and was re-reading Chapter 6 (The American Bicentennial) earlier today. Highly recommend it.

[Katman]

And in the meantime they get to roll out the 5G network unhindered by any protest action.

[sidecar bob]

And in the meantime they get to roll out the 5G network unhindered by any protest action.

Yeah, because protestors have never been known to use the internet.
Edit, what's with the "fuck off retard" red rep for Katman? Speaking the truth & not buying your poorly considered, in fact completely stupid, worthless post about idiots being idiots?
These fuckin double standard braindead protestors should have a think before they go protesting with their cellphones in hand, sending pics of people modifying networks to the latest technology so they can spread their messages of fear more readily.
I think I know who the fucking retards are.
They are happy to use all the other G's, why not 5 suddenly?
Or is protesting progress the kind of cool thing to do?

[Katman]

They are happy to use all the other G's, why not 5 suddenly?
Or is protesting progress the kind of cool thing to do?

You should look a little deeper into the subject of 5G.

Here, I'll start you off.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/326141#Radiofrequency-waves-possibly-carcinogenic-to-humans

[sidecar bob]

You should look a little deeper into the subject of 5G.

Here, I'll start you off.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/326141#Radiofrequency-waves-possibly-carcinogenic-to-humans

Heres a historic protest you may be able to relate too.
Have a think about it.
https://racingnelliebly.com/weirdscience/1865-red-flag-speed-limit-4-mph/

[Katman]

Heres a historic protest you may be able to relate too.
Have a think about it.
https://racingnelliebly.com/weirdscience/1865-red-flag-speed-limit-4-mph/

Do you even give a fuck about the exponentially rising rate of cancers in our society?

[sidecar bob]

Do you even give a fuck about the exponentially rising rate of cancers in our society?

Yep, my mum died from it when I was a kid long before the first cell tower was ever erected.
Probably from all that leaded fuel that was being burnt.

[onearmedbandit]

Do you even give a fuck about the exponentially rising rate of cancers in our society?

Sorry first to admit I should look it up myself, and this is a genuine question. Does this have anything to do with increased detection methods and more widespread testing?

[Katman]

Yep, my mum died from it when I was a kid long before the first cell tower was ever erected.
Probably from all that leaded fuel that was being burnt.

I'm sure there are a great many things today that are causing cancer.

The chemical contamination of our food supply is most probably another.

[Kickaha]

You should look a little deeper into the subject of 5G.

Here, I'll start you off.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/326141#Radiofrequency-waves-possibly-carcinogenic-to-humans

I have, so far there is nothing definite about it being harmful anywhere, they all talk about probably or maybe

[Katman]

I have, so far there is nothing definite about it being harmful anywhere, they all talk about probably or maybe

And you're reassured?

[Pedrostt500]

Here are two of my left field scenarios.
1 : Is a cynical plot at World wide Population Control, using a virus to weed out the weak, Globally.
2 : is a plot to plunge the World into Economic turmoil, where at some point in the future, Nations that sit on certain resources, like the ability to grow lots of cheap food, are plunged into a terminal recession, making them easy for a larger nation that is poor on natural resources, for various reasons, to invade smaller Nations to Greedily striping them of anything that can be removed, then leaving them as a husk of their former selves.

As the header to the thread states these are purely Fictional Scenarios.

[sidecar bob]

And you're reassured?

Possibly more reassured that cars are a greater causes of death across all causes than telephones.

[pritch]

this is a genuine question. Does this have anything to do with increased detection methods and more widespread testing?

There may be another cause contributing to the statistics? Briefly, for years doctors have been checking the heart health of patients according to the latest instructions from the Health Dept. Many patients have dutifully been complying with the subsequent recommendations. Additionally there have been public education programmes. Accordingly the cardiac health of the country should presumably have improved over the years, along with average life expectancy.

Humans have a use by date of sorts, nobody is going to live forever and we still have to die of something. Since less people are expiring due to premature cardiac arrest, the rate of cancer deaths as a percentage is likely to rise.

That and all the carcinogens we ingest or inhale etc etc.

[onearmedbandit]

There may be another cause contributing to the statistics? Briefly, for years doctors have been checking the heart health of patients according to the latest instructions from the Health Dept. Many patients have dutifully been complying with the subsequent recommendations. Additionally there have been public education programmes. Accordingly the cardiac health of the country should presumably have improved over the years, along with average life expectancy.

Humans have a use by date of sorts, nobody is going to live forever and we still have to die of something. Since less people are expiring due to premature cardiac arrest, the rate of cancer deaths as a percentage is likely to rise.

That and all the carcinogens we ingest or inhale etc etc.

Totally agree with all that.

[Katman]

Totally agree with all that.

So do I.

Especially the last sentence.

[FJRider]

There may be another cause contributing to the statistics? Briefly, for years doctors have been checking the heart health of patients according to the latest instructions from the Health Dept. Many patients have dutifully been complying with the subsequent recommendations. Additionally there have been public education programmes. Accordingly the cardiac health of the country should presumably have improved over the years, along with average life expectancy.

Humans have a use by date of sorts, nobody is going to live forever and we still have to die of something. Since less people are expiring due to premature cardiac arrest, the rate of cancer deaths as a percentage is likely to rise.

That and all the carcinogens we ingest or inhale etc etc.

I dont see much in statistics ... of deaths due to stupidity.

I'm sure there's a few ... surely .. <_<

[FJRider]

Possibly more reassured that cars are a greater causes of death across all causes than telephones.

NOT the cause. Just operator error.

[FJRider]

Here are two of my left field scenarios.
1 : Is a cynical plot at World wide Population Control, using a virus to weed out the weak, Globally.
2 : is a plot to plunge the World into Economic turmoil, where at some point in the future, Nations that sit on certain resources, like the ability to grow lots of cheap food, are plunged into a terminal recession, making them easy for a larger nation that is poor on natural resources, for various reasons, to invade smaller Nations to Greedily striping them of anything that can be removed, then leaving them as a husk of their former selves.

As the header to the thread states these are purely Fictional Scenarios.

1: Tell that to these (living alone) on welfare payments getting paid extra for every kid they produce .. :blank:

2: Don't wory ... the one's with all their billions of $$$$$$ still have it. They've got your back ... :chase:

[mashman]

Japan lifts evacuation order for town hit by Fukushima disaster (https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/mar/04/japan-lifts-evacuation-order-futaba-town-fukushima-disaster)

Radioactivity on the move 2020: Recontamination and weather-related effects in Fukushima (https://www.greenpeace.org/international/press-release/29250/radioactivity-on-the-move-2020/)

Japan’s 3/11 Recovery Stalled by Fukushima Decommissioning Delays (https://thediplomat.com/2020/03/japans-3-11-recovery-stalled-by-fukushima-decommissioning-delays/)

:)

[mashman]

This is a very interesting short read.

"I have explained that when I was called in back in 1985 as an expert to justify creating the G5 and manipulating the dollar, I wrote to the President to object. I was told to be a “good boy” and just produce studies; the government would tell me the conclusion they wanted." (https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/politics/the-health-forecasts-are-politically-motivated/)

[pritch]

Among the red hat retards in the US of A there is a new theory gaining support: the current pandemic is caused by 5G, the corona virus story is just a cover up. As ridiculous as that undoubtedly is, there are those that will swallow it hook line and sinker. There are such on KB.

Edit: So this stupidity is spreading.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/apr/03/broadband-engineers-threatened-due-to-5g-coronavirus-conspiracies

[Katman]

Among the red hat retards in the US of A there is a new theory gaining support: the current pandemic is caused by 5G, the corona virus story is just a cover up.

I think you'll find the theory is that they may be linked - not that the current pandemic is 'caused' by 5G.

[mashman]

Among the red hat retards in the US of A there is a new theory gaining support: the current pandemic is caused by 5G, the corona virus story is just a cover up. As ridiculous as that undoubtedly is, there are those that will swallow it hook line and sinker. There are such on KB.

Edit: So this stupidity is spreading.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/apr/03/broadband-engineers-threatened-due-to-5g-coronavirus-conspiracies

Nah, the 5G problem existed before coronavirus. This is where IS POSSIBLE bleeds into, IS FACT... and that is where some media dwell. A spiritual being, as well as many scientists, understand that a part of the human makeup in the susceptibility of the human body when it comes to energy/frequency/vibration. Surely you've witnessed the effects of calming music (could be thrash metal) on your state of being? Seen the resonance experiments using sand on plates? Read Emoto's observations? Maybe Einstein's and Bohr's thoughts around observation changing outcome?

The "anti-5G" crowd are also backed by an ever increasing body of evidence coming from academia that we really are messing with something that's concerning enough to raise ones head up to say something about it.

I think it's feasible, but unlikely to be used is such a way because the social change that accompanies a population knowing that such a thing exists and is in the hands of whoever writes the laws is kind of frightening.

Either way, I see 5G as yet another fucked up attempt at creating something for no particular reason other than floating the economy: All of this drama over something that simply brings us faster internet? Who would sanction such hysteria let alone take such health risks?

Stupidity is doing it just coz it'll propel industry to create more jobs on a dying planet. NOW that, is stupidity.

[MaxPenguin]

Nah, the 5G problem existed before coronavirus. This is where IS POSSIBLE bleeds into, IS FACT... and that is where some media dwell. A spiritual being, as well as many scientists, understand that a part of the human makeup in the susceptibility of the human body when it comes to energy/frequency/vibration. Surely you've witnessed the effects of calming music (could be thrash metal) on your state of being? Seen the resonance experiments using sand on plates? Read Emoto's observations? Maybe Einstein's and Bohr's thoughts around observation changing outcome?

The "anti-5G" crowd are also backed by an ever increasing body of evidence coming from academia that we really are messing with something that's concerning enough to raise ones head up to say something about it.

I think it's feasible, but unlikely to be used is such a way because the social change that accompanies a population knowing that such a thing exists and is in the hands of whoever writes the laws is kind of frightening.

Either way, I see 5G as yet another fucked up attempt at creating something for no particular reason other than floating the economy: All of this drama over something that simply brings us faster internet? Who would sanction such hysteria let alone take such health risks?

Stupidity is doing it just coz it'll propel industry to create more jobs on a dying planet. NOW that, is stupidity.

Won't 5g enable the moneyfree utopia of a robot population to do all the work for no pay so we can all sit at home smoking weed and masturbating?
Sorta like We are doing now.

[Katman]

Won't 5g enable the moneyfree utopia of a robot population to do all the work for no pay so we can all sit at home smoking weed and masturbating?


At what 'cost'?

[MaxPenguin]

At what 'cost'?

A few brain cells and many boxes of tissues.

[mashman]

Won't 5g enable the moneyfree utopia of a robot population to do all the work for no pay so we can all sit at home smoking weed and masturbating?
Sorta like We are doing now.

Some cultures had that before technology existed. Technology is not required... exceptionally useful without question, but lots of it inherently pointless. And I'd be keen to see how internet speeds changed where the non-essential business traffic has stopped (contention etc...) and security has been removed because we have nothing to hide.

What's so special about 5G? What do we really need it for? Seriously, I'm yet to hear anything that we REALLY need it for... other than it's fast because we ram more energy into it to have it operate in a different frequency range. Seems like a total waste of hysteria and resource.

[Kickaha]

I think you'll find the theory is that they may be linked - not that the current pandemic is 'caused' by 5G.

Apparently 5G activates the virus

[Katman]

Apparently 5G activates the virus

Sounds about as convincing as 'someone ate a bat'.

[nerrrd]

Ecuador must have a pretty wicked 5g network then.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120818001/uncollected-bodies-lie-for-days-in-the-streets-of-ecuador-the-emerging-epicenter-of-the-coronavirus-in-latin-america

[R650R]

What's so special about 5G? What do we really need it for? Seriously, I'm yet to hear anything that we REALLY need it for... other than it's fast because we ram more energy into it to have it operate in a different frequency range. Seems like a total waste of hysteria and resource.

5G is for tracking slaves and dissidents and to enable driverless cars/transport systems. Same as why we are going to plastic wheelie bins for trash instead of bags.

[mashman]

5G is for tracking slaves and dissidents and to enable driverless cars/transport systems. Same as why we are going to plastic wheelie bins for trash instead of bags.

Minority report eh. So it's all a part of the plan that the plastic bin bags we put inside the plastic bins, full of rubbish that come out of plastic bins, is the rational for 5G? Sounds efficient enough to me. Doesn't exactly sell the need for driverless cars/transport systems, especially when the rubbish in this instance will be human beings. We have people who can drive and vehicles that can be driven. I get it, but it's kind of reinventing the wheel and will likely result in considerable job losses. Or will it be non-essential jobs for everyone ;)

[MaxPenguin]

Minority report eh. So it's all a part of the plan that the plastic bin bags we put inside the plastic bins, full of rubbish that come out of plastic bins, is the rational for 5G? Sounds efficient enough to me. Doesn't exactly sell the need for driverless cars/transport systems, especially when the rubbish in this instance will be human beings. We have people who can drive and vehicles that can be driven. I get it, but it's kind of reinventing the wheel and will likely result in considerable job losses. Or will it be non-essential jobs for everyone ;)

Why I think eion musk is a two faced prick.

[mashman]

Why I think eion musk is a two faced prick.

I can understand that. The flip side being that he may be frustrated by budget constraint knowing that his only way to pay for the good shit, for which he already has resource, is to produce feckloads of shiney sparkly stuff for us to buy, so that he can then afford to unleash some good shit. We No buy. He no have investment. This comes under the heading of "When it is the fault of no One, it's just what the financial economy requires". Two faced pricks are a dime a dozen under such a category. Bet if ya let the fuckers off the leash they'd balk at the idea of producing mass individual transportation.

[Oakie]

Anyone old enough to remember the Brit tv series surviver?

Yes! That was good. Could never happen though ...

[Katman]

Food for thought.

https://youtu.be/dcIc5PEu4MA

[Katman]

So does anyone still subscribe to the theory that the virus appeared because someone ate a bat?

[pete376403]

So does anyone still subscribe to the theory that the virus appeared because someone ate a bat?

I thought it was from bats roosting in the roofs of the open air "wet market" and shitting on the edible products for sale were laid out, uncovered. But given the chinese propensity to eat anything exotic, there may well have been bat meat available.

[Katman]

I thought it was from bats roosting in the roofs of the open air "wet market" and shitting on the edible products for sale were laid out, uncovered. But given the chinese propensity to eat anything exotic, there may well have been bat meat available.

I think it's more likely that it originated from the gain of function research that was being carried out at the Wuhan lab.

I also strongly suspect that it wasn't an accidental leak.

[Katman]

Having just finished reading Robert F Kennedy Jr's book 'The Real Anthony Fauci' I'm picking there are to be some big name's heads rolling when the new Trump administration takes over.

Presumably that's why Biden is considering a preemptive pardon for Fauci.

[TheDemonLord]

Having just finished reading Robert F Kennedy Jr's book 'The Real Anthony Fauci' I'm picking there are to be some big name's heads rolling when the new Trump administration takes over.

Presumably that's why Biden is considering a preemptive pardon for Fauci.

Isn't Stalinda currently in the US...

[Berries]

Yes, she'll be visiting the moon landing film set with JFK.

[TheDemonLord]

Yes, she'll be visiting the moon landing film set with JFK.

Id prefer she go on a convertible trip with him...

[F5 Dave]

Jeez look at how well this thread has aged. Badly, just look at the title.

I can't read most of the contributions now, but if I'd started such a thread I would be keeping pretty quiet about it. I'd be ashamed of spreading such misinformation.

But I bet the usual suspects have doubled down with selective memory and now somehow want to spin this as 'proof', despite being so obviously a lie. :tugger:

[Katman]

Jeez look at how well this thread has aged. Badly, just look at the title.

The thread title refers to a fictional global pandemic exercise that was held two months prior to the Covid outbreak.


I can't read most of the contributions now, but if I'd started such a thread I would be keeping pretty quiet about it. I'd be ashamed of spreading such misinformation.

But I bet the usual suspects have doubled down with selective memory and now somehow want to spin this as 'proof', despite being so obviously a lie. :tugger:

The biggest lie/misinformation was the 'safe and effective' line.

[SaferRides]

It's now 5 years since the Covid outbreak in Wuhan I'd say about 99% of the population just want to forget the saga and move on.

One parting thought - there is a bird flu vaccine all ready to go and it's mRNA...

Happy New Year!

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[Katman]

One parting thought - there is a bird flu vaccine all ready to go and it's mRNA...

And I'm sure there's no shortage of people who have learnt nothing over the last few years who will happily roll up their sleeves again.

[nerrrd]

And I'm sure there's no shortage of people who have learnt nothing over the last few years who will happily roll up their sleeves again.

The vast majority of people didn't die from Covid. The vast majority of people didn't have an adverse reaction to the vaccine either. So what exactly have we learned?

If we do get another pandemic in our lifetimes, and this time it has a really high fatality rate, there'll be a lot more than vaccines to worry about.

[Berries]

I can't read most of the contributions now,
Yeah, I heard about that reaction to the vaccine. Apparently the Americans knew about it yet still released it.

[Katman]

So what exactly have we learned?

Well I've learned that nefarious powers that be, along with a complicit media, have managed to generate such a level of fear that the majority of people seem to have lost any ability for rational thinking.

[TheDemonLord]

It's now 5 years since the Covid outbreak in Wuhan I'd say about 99% of the population just want to forget the saga and move on.

I would say that there is at least a good 10 percent of the Population that wants to see those that pushed restrictive, unjust, illegal and unethical policies to be held accountable.

However, the deeper questions that COVID raised have not been answered:

What is the correct response to an emerging health issue? Where are the limits of individual liberty? What is the duty of care of the Government? What is the acceptable level of Risk that an individual can assume in the face of an unknown and potentially deadly disease?

And complicating those questions is the fact that the "Experts" have become little more than tools to advance the political agendas. So long as you went to the right university, have the right degree, hold the right opinions - you will be trotted out on every media outlet and diefied as if your word is divine law - even when the mere Plebians are pointing out the flaws in your analysis (or in the specific case - one lone KBer pointing out the Government stats were horseshit).

[TheDemonLord]

The vast majority of people didn't die from Covid. The vast majority of people didn't have an adverse reaction to the vaccine either. So what exactly have we learned?

Given those first two statements, does that justify the draconian measures the Government took.

I mean, I have been vocal that it did not.

But it does raise questions. You ask what we have learned - I know what I learned - when I was a younger man I read the prelude to WW2 and asked a question that many people asked - how could an educated, rational population (Germany) turn on the Jews, demand to see their papers etc.

All my life, living in the Anglosphere, we used to ridicule that we would ever become a society where we had to show our papers. Covid showed me how cowardly most people are.

For sure - you had people who definitively believed it and sincerely thought they were doing good. You had absolute Legends who openly flauted the rules and would not discriminate based on Vaccine status (or other status) - and then you had the people who just did it so as to not get into Trouble.

That, is what I learned.

And for me - it raises many questions about the nature of Western Democracy: If you are too cowardly to tell your government to piss off when they infringe on your liberties, then why do you think you should have a right to vote?

[Katman]

One of the most egregious aspects of the whole Covid response debacle was how the government (via the Medical Council) inserted itself directly in between the doctor/patient relationship by forbidding doctors to discuss any negative concerns about the vaccines. If they did so, they risked being struck off the medical register. And yet, the pharmaceutical industry's own reports showed a huge array of adverse reactions.

Informed consent is an absolute cornerstone of civil liberty.

[R650R]

Given those first two statements, does that justify the draconian measures the Government took.

I mean, I have been vocal that it did not.

But it does raise questions. You ask what we have learned - I know what I learned - when I was a younger man I read the prelude to WW2 and asked a question that many people asked - how could an educated, rational population (Germany) turn on the Jews, demand to see their papers etc.

All my life, living in the Anglosphere, we used to ridicule that we would ever become a society where we had to show our papers. Covid showed me how cowardly most people are.

For sure - you had people who definitively believed it and sincerely thought they were doing good. You had absolute Legends who openly flauted the rules and would not discriminate based on Vaccine status (or other status) - and then you had the people who just did it so as to not get into Trouble.

That, is what I learned.

And for me - it raises many questions about the nature of Western Democracy: If you are too cowardly to tell your government to piss off when they infringe on your liberties, then why do you think you should have a right to vote?

To quote George Carlin loosely, the spectacle of democracy is just one big clown show to create the illusion that you have a choice of some sort. You don’t.
No matter who is in power they will do what they want and most won’t protest about anything. About the only things in recent history people have cared about were playing rugby against South Africa cause they might beat us,nuclear weapons in our waters and the Iraq war(quite big global protest worldwide).

[pete376403]

demand to see their papers etc.

All my life, living in the Anglosphere, we used to ridicule that we would ever become a society where we had to show our papers.

And for me - it raises many questions about the nature of Western Democracy: If you are too cowardly to tell your government to piss off when they infringe on your liberties, then why do you think you should have a right to vote?

You have always been "required to show your papers", depending on the circumstances - never been stopped by a cop and had to show your licence? Never been to another country and had to show your passport?

[TheDemonLord]

You have always been "required to show your papers", depending on the circumstances - never been stopped by a cop and had to show your licence? Never been to another country and had to show your passport?

Which is a Strawman.

Crossing a country border is not the same as going into a Cafe.

However - you mentioned stopped by a Cop, now sure - they can check your license. Outside of driving, however, unless Arrested or suspected of Alcohol crimes

The NZ Police actually have no powers to compel you to identify yourself (https://communitylaw.org.nz/community-law-manual/chapter-30-police-powers/being-questioned-by-the-police/)


With a few exceptions, the police have no power to make you give them information when you’re not under arrest – for example, if they just see you walking in the street late at night. They don’t even have the power to get you to tell them your name and address and other personal details.

Ironically, the example you provided gives me an opportunity to reinforce the point I am making: In a properly functioning Libertarian society - You do not have to show your Papers.

The NZ Police cannot compel you to prove who you are - unless you are driving, suspected of an Alcohol offense or are under Arrest (which would need an articuable suspicion of an offence being committed)

TL;DR - yeah, the Police (with a few exceptions) cannot force you to show your papers, proving once again how much of a breach of our rights and liberties Covid was and for no reason.

[pritch]

This thread is an exercise in mini hysteria. It's too minute to be mass hysteria. Considering that literally millions of COVID jabs have been given in this country, do any of you actually know anybody who had an adverse reaction? And I do mean somebody you know, not your sister's workmate's cousin.

[Berries]

This thread is an exercise in mini hysteria. It's too minute to be mass hysteria. Considering that literally millions of COVID jabs have been given in this country, do any of you actually know anybody who had an adverse reaction? And I do mean somebody you know, not your sister's workmate's cousin.
Not to downplay things but my arm hurt for a bit.

[Katman]

This thread is an exercise in mini hysteria. It's too minute to be mass hysteria. Considering that literally millions of COVID jabs have been given in this country, do any of you actually know anybody who had an adverse reaction? And I do mean somebody you know, not your sister's workmate's cousin.

I know plenty.

I've also been bewildered by the number of my customers over the last few years who now have tales of dealing with cancer and recovering from heart attacks (either themselves or immediate family).

And if you want mass hysteria you have to look no further than the global reaction to a virus that right from the outset had a 99.7% survival rate.

(And that was even with the fudged numbers, whereby even a gunshot fatality would be recorded as a Covid death if the person tested positive).

[TheDemonLord]

This thread is an exercise in mini hysteria. It's too minute to be mass hysteria. Considering that literally millions of COVID jabs have been given in this country, do any of you actually know anybody who had an adverse reaction? And I do mean somebody you know, not your sister's workmate's cousin.

Was it Mini Hysteria when our civil liberties were trampled on...

Was it Mini Hysteria when we had the rise of the Maskholes...

I could go on.

[Katman]

And if you're actually interested in learning more about the known adverse reactions to the Covid vaccines (which I suspect you're not) you could look at the data from Pfizers own safety reports.

The same reports that the FDA wanted to keep secret for the next 75 years.

[Katman]

This thread is an exercise in mini hysteria. It's too minute to be mass hysteria. Considering that literally millions of COVID jabs have been given in this country, do any of you actually know anybody who had an adverse reaction? And I do mean somebody you know, not your sister's workmate's cousin.

And in case you're wondering, ACC has so far paid out $11.5 million in Covid 19 vaccine injury claims, as of Nov 2024.

[pritch]

Not to downplay things but my arm hurt for a bit.

Ah yes. I had a sore shoulder but I have arthritis in the shoulders so I couldn't tell if it was the jab or just the normal arthritis.

[Kickaha]

This thread is an exercise in mini hysteria. It's too minute to be mass hysteria. Considering that literally millions of COVID jabs have been given in this country, do any of you actually know anybody who had an adverse reaction? And I do mean somebody you know, not your sister's workmate's cousin.

Yes I do, heart issues for months, treated poorly as an "anti vaxxer" by hospital staff despite having had two shots, cardiac specialist confirmed it, ACC refused cover, she's only just back to normally in the last few months


I know plenty.

I've also been bewildered by the number of my customers over the last few years who now have tales of dealing with cancer and recovering from heart attacks (either themselves or immediate family).

And if you want mass hysteria you have to look no further than the global reaction to a virus that right from the outset had a 99.7% survival rate.

(And that was even with the fudged numbers, whereby even a gunshot fatality would be recorded as a Covid death if the person tested positive).

I've found people who were anti always seem to know far more people adversely affected than people who weren't, possibly different circles they hang out with or know

The people who I know who didn't get vaxxed suffered no worse than those I know that did, under 60 and if reasonable shape you didn't have much to worry about

Cancer rates have been rising a lot for over 20 years but I've yet to see any evidence of a substantial rise in cancer rates over the norm, NZ cancer rates have been fairly stable for ten years until 2022 and I can't find any info after that but I don't know how often they update those figures, omigod they must be suppressing them so we can't find out the truth

My understanding was the single gunshot death in NZ was reclassified as died with covid rather than of covid once the investigation was complete, fucking stupid either way

[Katman]

Yes I do, heart issues for months, treated poorly as an "anti vaxxer" by hospital staff despite having had two shots, cardiac specialist confirmed it, ACC refused cover, she's only just back to normally in the last few months

And you have to wonder, if they've paid out $11.5 million so far in Covid vaccine injury claims, how many legitimate claims have they refused.

[nerrrd]

And you have to wonder, if they've paid out $11.5 million so far in Covid vaccine injury claims, how many legitimate claims have they refused.

I think you've answered your own question – 'they' wouldn't see any claims they've refused as legitimate.

[Katman]

I think you've answered your own question – 'they' wouldn't see any claims they've refused as legitimate.

And the fact that 'they' don't see it as a legitimate claim does not necessarily mean that's the case - as attested to in Kickaha's post.

I have no doubt whatsoever that ACC would have received a clear directive from the 'single source of truth' to treat every injury claim with extreme skepticism and prejudice.

[Katman]

So has anyone come up with a valid reason why Biden would see fit to issue Anthony Fauci a preemptive pardon?

A pardon from what?

[pete376403]

So has anyone come up with a valid reason why Biden would see fit to issue Anthony Fauci a preemptive pardon?

A pardon from what?

Protection from trump / MAGA insanity

[Katman]

Protection from trump / MAGA insanity

What has he done that would raise Trumps ire?

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[TheDemonLord]

Protection from trump / MAGA insanity

A Pre-emptive pardon presumes that there were criminal actions.

[nerrrd]

A Pre-emptive pardon presumes that there were criminal actions.

Does a post-conviction pardon do the same?

[TheDemonLord]

Does a post-conviction pardon do the same?

No - they are wildly different.

[nerrrd]

No - they are wildly different.

I thought everybody was innocent until proven guilty.

[TheDemonLord]

I thought everybody was innocent until proven guilty.

So - a post conviction pardon - someone has been proven guilty.
A Pre-emptive pardon - someone is supposedly innocent, yet the person in charge feels that they have done things which could result in a successful prosecution....

The latter part is curious, isnt it. What is it that they would be charged with....

[nerrrd]

So - a post conviction pardon - someone has been proven guilty.
A Pre-emptive pardon - someone is supposedly innocent, yet the person in charge feels that they have done things which could result in a successful prosecution....

The latter part is curious, isnt it. What is it that they would be charged with....

So does a convicted pardonee still have a criminal record?

And can a pre-emptive pardonee still be charged, even though taking them to trial would be for 'show' and any successful prosecution be immediately pardoned?

It's a supremely stupid system in my opinion.

[TheDemonLord]

So does a convicted pardonee still have a criminal record?

And can a pre-emptive pardonee still be charged, even though taking them to trial would be for 'show' and any successful prosecution be immediately pardoned?

It's a supremely stupid system in my opinion.

My understanding is that in the English Context - a Pardon does not undo or overturn a Conviction.

The idea of Royal Pardons, I think is good - historically the Monarch could, outside the rule of law, decide on a persons fate. In Theory a Judge is bound by the rule of Law and with the exception of a Jury Nullification, someone could be guilty, have to serve a Minimum Sentence (as an example) but there were circumstances that the head of state thought should be recognized.

The Pre-Emptive Pardon though, I understand it is more common in the US context, but to me, it is very dubious.

[Katman]

So the CIA are now in agreement with the Defense Department in that the most likely origin of Covid was the lab leak theory.

Is there anyone out there dumb enough to still think it came from a Wuhan food market?

[onearmedbandit]

Saw that. Interesting that they stated they had low confidence in their own findings. (Their position, not mine, I have no idea where it came from, I wasn't even there at the time)

As pointed out - The institute is a 40-minute drive from the Huanan wet market where the first cluster of infections emerged - it does indicate a probability

[nerrrd]

So the CIA are now in agreement with the Defense Department in that the most likely origin of Covid was the lab leak theory.

Is there anyone out there dumb enough to still think it came from a Wuhan food market?

You said it yourself, ‘most likely’. So how is it ‘dumb’ to acknowledge there could still be another possibility, which the CIA themselves are acknowledging by using that language?

[TheDemonLord]

I remember well the Jon Stewart rant on this topic - pointing out that for people to dismiss the Lab Leak theory as completely impossible - was absurd.

One of the few times I commended him for his views.

I, myself, also do not have any hard opinion on where it came from - but I think it is safe to say that a Lab Leak is a plausible theory.

[pritch]

Protection from trump / MAGA insanity

Exactly. Some British commentators I listen to are showing they lack detail in American politics by criticising Biden for his pardons. He wasn't going to pardon his family and others until Trump nominated Kash Patel to head the FBI. Patel, a nut job fantasist, is on record as wanting to prosecute anybody and everybody in the Biden administration. This despite nearly four years of Congressional inquiries into corruption by Biden and his son which drew a complete blank. Notable not least for the fact that Biden Jr did not hold any public office nor was he running for one.

Kentucky senator Rand Paul was outspoken about his desire for Fauci to be prosecuted. I sincerely hope Biden pardoned the cop who shot Ashleigh Babbit.

There is an interesting comment in Caroline Kennedy's letter to senators.
"Bobby preys on the desperation of parents with sick children. Vaccinating his own kids while building a following hypocritically discouraging other parents from vaccinating theirs."

So even he doesn't believe the insane bollocks he spouts.

[pritch]

Kennedy lies under oath with the greatest of ease.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-fByr5mIFM

[Katman]

Sounds like Fauci might not be out of the woods just yet.

https://youtu.be/eOwv1lfP8dQ?si=R1q2FjuxmeBFI0SO

[Katman]

https://www.whitehouse.gov/lab-leak-true-origins-of-covid-19/

[Berries]

Two months between posts.

I think this thread is as dead as your argument.

[Katman]

I think this thread is as dead as your argument.

Sounds like someone's due their next booster.

[Katman]

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-025-98834-y?fbclid=IwY2xjawJ3_ohleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETEySGh mTlZ0d3Z5ZEFpbnEzAR4c6GMU7LVap1pCu3jy6Ax6NYvZC3iZ_ FSQfDAvPwFh0QBTSR_VWV3frkcSpw_aem_jait4a-6Rruznn7FMb-zVw