America is a fucking cesspit.

[Katman]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52806572

Let's see how keen jasonu is in defending this shit.

[sidecar bob]

One Police officer makes a bad call & an entire country of 328 million is apparently a cesspit?
Do tell.
Is it that crave for attention again?

[Katman]

One Police officer makes a bad call & an entire country of 328 million is apparently a cesspit?
Do tell.
Is it that crave for attention again?

Really?

You think this is the only incident of this nature?

[sidecar bob]

Taupo is a cesspit, look murder.
https://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/237252-charge-laid-following-taupo-homicide-investigation.html

[Katman]

Taupo us a cesspit, look murder.
https://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/237252-charge-laid-following-taupo-homicide-investigation.html

Really?

You equate one Taupo murder to America's institutionalised racism?

[onearmedbandit]

I've been to America a couple times. Lovely places I stayed, Hawaii for a couple weeks, Orange County for 9 weeks. Lovely people, friendly, welcoming. So my personal experience would say it's not a cesspit. I just met normal people doing normal things living normal lives. But that's not to deny there is racial and ethnic issues of a very serious nature there. But I'd argue that it's not a cesspit, just a place with a large population that also has a lot of exposure to the rest of the world. America has its issues no doubt, but so do most other places. China. India. Pakistan. Russia. Heck anywhere for that matter. But the spotlight is on America more than anywhere else.

[Katman]

I've been to America a couple times. Lovely places I stayed, Hawaii for a couple weeks, Orange County for 9 weeks.

Yeah, holidays tend to be a bit different to real world life.

[98tls]

Methinks that and worse goes on in the obvious suspects the difference is there media only tells the world what there allowed to.

[Katman]

Methinks that and worse goes on in the obvious suspects....

I'm not questioning that in the slightest.

I'm questioning why America is portrayed as the paragon of virtue - when it's anything but.

[Murray]

Hi Katman Does it never happen in China?

[Katman]

Hi Katman Does it never happen in China?

Yes Murray, it might.

Would you like to give us an example?

[sidecar bob]

Really?

You equate one Taupo murder to America's institutionalised racism?

Sorry I made you angry & lash out at me, but I'm not a stupid cunt as your rep comment suggests.
We have a racist government that is prepared to favour one ethnicity over another yet I don't see you whining about that.
Heres an an example, I can give you 20 more if you want to jump on the racism bandwagon.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/416669/budget-2020-maori-to-get-900m-to-deal-with-covid-19-fallout
That's on top of the 59 million they got last month for the same reason.

[Katman]

Sorry I made you angry & lash out at me, but I'm not a stupid cunt as your rep comment suggests.


Wow, even green makes you cry.

I can see how a woman could give you a smack in the face.

[Murray]

Yes Murray, it might.

Would you like to give us an example?

Lets start with 4,634 Covid deaths in China. Do you really believe they are squeaky clean compared to USA.

[Katman]

I can give you 20 more if you want to jump on the racism bandwagon.


Start a thread.

[Katman]

Lets start with 4,634 Covid deaths in China. Do you really believe they are squeky clean compared to USA.

Do you really believe smudging figures equates to choking a person to death?

[caspernz]

My inner symbiote feels at home in Taupo as much as Minneapolis. Should I see a doctor about that? :innocent:

[Murray]

Do you really believe smudging figures equates to choking a person to death?

Quote Jan 2020 Posted by Katman

Life would be so much easier if you addressed questions with a simple answer.

Yes or No

[Katman]

Quote Jan 2020 Posted by Katman

Life would be so much easier if you addressed questions with a simple answer.

Yes or No

Murray please, stop embarrassing yourself.

[98tls]

Sorry I made you angry & lash out at me, but I'm not a stupid cunt as your rep comment suggests.
We have a racist government that is prepared to favour one ethnicity over another yet I don't see you whining about that.
Heres an an example, I can give you 20 more if you want to jump on the racism bandwagon.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/416669/budget-2020-maori-to-get-900m-to-deal-with-covid-19-fallout
That's on top of the 59 million they got last month for the same reason.

Cant win an election without votes i guess,surely soon this will be a requirement until finally someone finds the money tree.
https://i.imgur.com/SGbAFhoh.jpg

[sidecar bob]

Wow, even green makes you cry.

I can see how a woman could give you a smack in the face.

Yes but simply not agreeing with your point of view dosent make me some kind of vent for your abuse.
What Steven is talking about here, is the scenario where well over ten years ago, a trailer trash kind of female crashed her bike & broke several alloy components.
I removed these parts at no cost & outsourced the tig welding repairs.
I informed her that there was a cost for these repairs, however, she turned up at my workshop sans funds & when she saw said parts sitting on a table near the door she grabbed them & ran to her car, intending to do me out of the expense I had incurred obtaining repairs to her parts.
I followed her to the car & reached through the window & removed the ignition key to prevent her leaving with said parts.
Seeing as she was trailer trash & not very well trained, her fist followed the key out of the car window in a feeble attempt to assault me (she was around 50kg, I am closer to100)
It did become a Police matter, but seeing as I wanted no further to do with her, I let the issue slide, preferring to get on with my life.
For some reason steven thinks this is the worst thing that's ever happened to me & devotes an unusually disproportionate amount of his time & headspace getting some kind of thrill from the thought if it.

[Katman]

Yes but simply not agreeing with your point of view dosent make me some kind of vent for your abuse.
What Steven is talking about here, is the scenario where over ten years ago, a trailer trash kind of female crashed her bike & broke several alloy components.
I removed these parts at no cost & outsourced the tig welding repairs.
I informed her that there was a cost for these repairs, however, she turned up at my workshop sans funds & when she saw said parts sitting on a table near the door she grabbed them & ran to her car, intending to do me out of the expense I had incurred obtaining repairs to her parts.
I followed her to the car & reached through the window & removed the ignition key to prevent her leaving with said parts.
Seeing as she was trailer trash & not very well trained, her fist followed the key out of the car window in a feeble attempt to assault me.
It did become a Police matter, but seeing as I wanted no further to do with her, I let the issue slide, preferring to get on with my life.
For some reason steven thinks this is the worst thing that's ever happened to me & devotes an unusually disproportionate amount of his time & headspace getting some kind of thrill from the thought if it.

:killingme

You're so predictable.

[Murray]

Murray please, stop embarrassing yourself.

So no one has been put to death in China under worse circumstances or not reported than that regarding your thread you have started?

Quote Jan 2020 Posted by Katman

Life would be so much easier if you addressed questions with a simple answer.

Who's embarrassing themselves?

[Katman]

So no one has been put to death in China under worse circumstances or not reported than that regarding your thread you have started?

I'm sure there has been Murray.

I don't think any more of China in the integrity stakes than I do of America.

[Murray]

I'm sure there has been Murray.

I don't think any more of China in the integrity stakes than I do of America.

Im not a Husaerg (thank god) but where are the threads you started regarding China being a cesspit?

Quote Jan 2020 Posted by Katman

Life would be so much easier if you addressed questions with a simple answer.

[Katman]

Im not a Husaerg (thank god) but where are the threads you started regarding China being a cesspit?

Well you could start a thread about China if you like Murray.

This one's about America.

[Murray]

Well you could start a thread about China if you like Murray.

This one's about America.

Quote Jan 2020 Posted by Katman

Life would be so much easier if you addressed questions with a simple answer.

[Katman]

Quote Jan 2020 Posted by Katman

Life would be so much easier if you addressed questions with a simple answer.

I think you're more like husaberk than you think.

[Murray]

I think you're more like husaberk than you think.

Your embarrassing yourself!

[Katman]

Your embarrassing yourself!

Thanks for your contribution Murray.

[husaberg]

Taupo is a cesspit, look murder.
https://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/237252-charge-laid-following-taupo-homicide-investigation.html

cesspit literally
https://apnpd-a.akamaihd.net/pd/1308227299001/1308227299001_6054561161001_6054555427001-vs.jpg
Another Karen look at me thread is launched

[Katman]

cesspit literally


How does that equate to a police officer choking a citizen to death?

[Paul in NZ]

Well you can be outraged like we were... Thats not all of the USA

I spent 6 months working there - I was blown away by the diversity and the - well by NZ standards - the simple oddness of the place...

I got to meet my childhood hero in Dallas, Jack Wilson at Big D cycles... The man who gave the Bonnieville its name

I hung out in honky tonk bars (it sucked)

I went to a mall in Dallas advertising some NBA stuff my kids wanted - 10min in - I realised I was the ONLY white guy in a 5 mile radius - I had a GREAT night BTW once they knew I was a Kiwi

I met a guy who contracted me to build a telephone exchange in Elkhorn - his name was Ed - his wife was an ex cheer leader

I drove 3 hours at 100mph

I had the time of my life with a mexican family

6 hours into my trip I was sitting with a case of beer in a 67 Chevelle with half the engine sticking out of the bonnet calling Vicki on a borrowed cellphone

Best engineer a negro guy I still talk to

Wierdest friend a tea party supporter who wanted to move to NZ

Its a big wierd place full of saints and cunts... More saints than cunts - but when that changes - well look out

[pritch]

Well you can be outraged like we were... Thats not all of the USA

I spent 6 months working there - I was blown away by the diversity and the - well by NZ standards - the simple oddness of the place...

I got to meet my childhood hero in Dallas, Jack Wilson at Big D cycles... The man who gave the Bonnieville its name

I hung out in honky tonk bars (it sucked)

I went to a mall in Dallas advertising some NBA stuff my kids wanted - 10min in - I realised I was the ONLY white guy in a 5 mile radius - I had a GREAT night BTW once they knew I was a Kiwi

I met a guy who contracted me to build a telephone exchange in Elkhorn - his name was Ed - his wife was an ex cheer leader

I drove 3 hours at 100mph

I had the time of my life with a mexican family

6 hours into my trip I was sitting with a case of beer in a 67 Chevelle with half the engine sticking out of the bonnet calling Vicki on a borrowed cellphone

Best engineer a negro guy I still talk to

Wierdest friend a tea party supporter who wanted to move to NZ

Its a big wierd place full of saints and cunts... More saints than cunts - but when that changes - well look out

Brilliant post but sadly I gotta share the love...

[husaberg]

How does that equate to a police officer choking a citizen to death?

Golly,it equates 100% more than a troll equating the actions of a few individuals to a country of hundreds of millions does.
Especially given taupo is a cesspit.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/03/australia/nz-lake-sewage-intl-hnk/index.html
https://i0.wp.com/thebfd.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Screen-Shot-2019-07-03-at-9.44.56-AM-1.png

[onearmedbandit]

Yeah, holidays tend to be a bit different to real world life.

You don't say? 9wks is but only a blink of an eye but in that time I integrated myself pretty well with the family I was living with and got to know them and their way of life reasonably well. Seemed like decent folk to me and certainly not inhabitants of a cesspit. However every corner of the world, each country, city, town has it's sinister dark side. America is not alone in this.

And there is no defending what happened.

[swarfie]

I've been to America a couple times. Lovely places I stayed, Hawaii for a couple weeks, Orange County for 9 weeks. Lovely people, friendly, welcoming. So my personal experience would say it's not a cesspit. I just met normal people doing normal things living normal lives. But that's not to deny there is racial and ethnic issues of a very serious nature there. But I'd argue that it's not a cesspit, just a place with a large population that also has a lot of exposure to the rest of the world. America has its issues no doubt, but so do most other places. China. India. Pakistan. Russia. Heck anywhere for that matter. But the spotlight is on America more than anywhere else.


Yeah, holidays tend to be a bit different to real world life.

I've also been to America several times. We have a bike in San Francisco and go each year to attend the annual week long, thousand mile Velocette rally and ride around for a month. I choose the windiest back country roads to ride and get into all sorts of really out of the way places and meet some great people. I agree with what Bandit says, at least 99.9% of the American people that we have met are just friendly, down to earth, NORMAL folk just trying to make a living and doing the best they can. The only cesspit bit that we've seen so far in our travels have been that back blocks USA is a very poor run down place. Not a lot of money about except in the cities which is generally not where we choose to go. Hell yeah, there's some racial problems there no doubt and I firmly believe that prick with his knee on the black guys neck should be not only terminated employment wise, he should be terminated full stop. And if you think some of the police in America have bad attitudes then look a bit closer to home. From my own personal experience we also have arseholes in our police force. Don't get me wrong, most of them do a stirling job and have to deal with the lowest common denominator (far more than Joe Blow would see) but there's always the little Hitler's among them with a bone to pick. That said I certainly wouldn't be lining up to do their job. But when shit like this happens they shouldn't be above the law and should get the same consequences for their actions.
Oh, and fuck Covid 19. Won't be able to go back and enjoy the American summer this year which really pisses me off !!

[Katman]

I'm speaking in a much broader sense.

From their decaying political system (which has become a comedy act being played out on a world stage), to their belief that they are the world's policemen (even if that includes dropping bombs on innocent wedding parties), to them buying up the entire stock of gun shops as a response to the coronavirus, to the institutionalised racism that seems to incentivise their police force to shoot, run down, choke (select assault with deadly force of your choice) their own citizens - especially if they're black.

And the vast majority of Americans have sat back and allowed it all to happen.

[TheDemonLord]

especially if they're black.

Actually...

No.

You see, they did a Study on this about the use of Lethal Force against Suspects of different ethnicities - Turns out White Cops are more hesitant to use Lethal Force against Black Suspects than they are for White Suspects - One suspect because they know of the shit-show that will occur if they do (even if it is justified or not).

I've seen reports about this case - I've yet to make up my mind - I've seen umpteen videos of various people who are cuffed, on the floor and being restrained complaining vociferously that they are in pain, their arms are being broken, can't breathe etc. which is all patently lies and them merely trying to get out of a situation they put themselves in.

That is not to say that this is what happened here - only to say that if the Police let someone go everytime they complained they were being restrained....

On a different Tack - what does it say about the African American community when they burn down their own cities in protest?

[jasonu]

It wouldn’t have made the news if it was black cops doing in a white guy.

[Katman]

On a different Tack - what does it say about the African American community when they burn down their own cities in protest?

Is the answer something about cesspits?

[Katman]

You see, they did a Study on this about the use of Lethal Force against Suspects of different ethnicities - Turns out White Cops are more hesitant to use Lethal Force against Black Suspects than they are for White Suspects - One suspect because they know of the shit-show that will occur if they do (even if it is justified or not).

Well they're hardly going to say they prefer killing black suspects, are they?

[pritch]

This could have an effect on the US election. The Gravel Institute (a Twitter confirmed account, whatever the correct terminology. It has the blue tick of approval.) posted this:

"In 2006 Amy Klobuchar, then a district attorney, declined to bring charges against a cop who had shot and killed a Native American man.

Two days ago that cop, Derek Chauvin, murdered George Floyd.

Amy Klobuchar needs to resign."

Amy Klobuchar is currently one of the people being vetted by Biden as a prospective running mate in the November election.

This focus on earlier career activities may also give Kamala Harris a problem as she was a prosecutor and prosecutors with political ambitions tend to like putting people in jail.

[Katman]

This could have an effect on the US election. The Gravel Institute (a Twitter confirmed account, whatever the correct terminology. It has the blue tick of approval.) posted this:

"In 2006 Amy Klobuchar, then a district attorney, declined to bring charges against a cop who had shot and killed a Native American man.

Two days ago that cop, Derek Chauvin, murdered George Floyd.

Amy Klobuchar needs to resign."



I'm sure Trump will have a field day with it.

[pritch]

I'm sure Trump will have a field day with it.

It could be difficult for him, he has endorsed police violence. Then again, it's not as if he is big on consistency.

[TheDemonLord]

Well they're hardly going to say they prefer killing black suspects, are they?

it wasn't a verbal test, from memory they ran a series of simulations with assailants/suspects, they shot less at Black Suspects.

There's also the actual data, when you look at the ratio of people killed by police (that's both Justified and non-justified) to the amount of Crime each group commits - Black people get shot less than White people.

[TheDemonLord]

Is the answer something about cesspits?

No.

When the Government has done things I really didn't like (and there's been a few of late) - did I go on some violent rampage burning down my Local Community?

Did I set cars on Fire?

Did I smash up shops and go looting?

Did I even focus my anger and target Official infrastructure such as the Police or Government institutions?

So, I ask again - what does it say about the Community when something happens that they don't like, that they feel it is right to go out and destroy their own areas?

[Katman]

Black people get shot less than White people.

Yeah, nah.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6080222/

[Katman]

So, I ask again - what does it say about the Community when something happens that they don't like, that they feel it is right to go out and destroy their own areas?

And I'll ask again, is it something to do with cesspits?

[TheDemonLord]

Yeah, nah.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6080222/

Nah, Yeah.


Victims were predominantly male (96.1%) with a mean age of 36.7 years. Although a majority were white, black victims were over-represented (32.4%) relative to the U.S. population.

But are under-represented relative to the Crime committed by the Population. Which is what I said.

[TheDemonLord]

And I'll ask again, is it something to do with cesspits?

Cesspit or not - going out on a violence filled rampage is not the way to conduct yourself in a civil society.

Especially not when you are trying to complain about the Police treatment, which you protest by committing Criminal acts?

[Katman]

Which is what I said.

I thought that's what Yeah, nah meant - sorta agree, sorta don't.

[Katman]

Cesspit or not - going out on a violence filled rampage is not the way to conduct yourself in a civil society.

Maybe their actions are due in large to a lack of respect they have for their civil environment.

Maybe they think it's a cesspit too.

[TheDemonLord]

Maybe their actions are due in large to a lack of respect they have for their civil environment.

Maybe they think it's a cesspit too.

So, They don't respect the Society they live and then wonder why functionaries of Society (supposedly) don't respect them in return?

Maybe if they had that respect, they'd commit less crime.

If they committed less crime, they wouldn't have as many negative interactions with Law Enforcement.
If they had less interactions with Law Enforcement, maybe they wouldn't get killed by Cops.

Just a thought.

[Katman]

Maybe if they had that respect, they'd commit less crime.

Maybe people should look at why they might lack that respect.

[TheDemonLord]

Maybe people should look at why they might lack that respect.

Because the absence of Fathers means that angry young men were never taught that respect?

[Katman]

Because the absence of Fathers means that angry young men were never taught that respect?

Even the presence of fathers doesn't seem to guarantee the teaching of respect these days.

[TheDemonLord]

Even the presence of fathers doesn't seem to guarantee the teaching of respect these days.

Sure, it's not a silver bullet or a 100% solution.

That said the Correlation between:

Fatherlessness, Poverty and Young men/Teenage Boys turning to Crime is astounding.

It seems that it's a good place to start and might help us address some of the other underlying societal issues that may or may not exist, without the excessive 'noise' of other problems interfering.

[Swoop]

Well you can be outraged like we were... Thats not all of the USA

Its a big wierd place full of saints and cunts... More saints than cunts - but when that changes - well look out

That's the thing, if peole choose to judge a country by what they see on "te news" then they will be misled. A bit like tourists seeing NZ and coming here... then getting killed.

Americans are just average people trying to get on with their lives. Their police forces do have a problem though, normally it's a fat cunt cop who can't waddle quickly enough to chase them - so just shoots a "suspect".

[austingtir]

Really?

You think this is the only incident of this nature?

From a few years back....

https://www.startribune.com/minneapolis-police-officer-who-shot-killed-justine-damond-identified-as-mohamed-noor/434975623/#1

The Minneapolis police officer who shot and killed a 40-year-old woman in the alley behind her home Saturday night has been identified as Officer Mohamed Noor. Meanwhile, state investigators have confirmed that they did not find any weapons at the scene.

Noor, 31, joined the department in March 2015 as the first Somali police officer to patrol the 5th Precinct in southwest Minneapolis, according to a city newsletter.

Clearly racist against whites.



https://i.imgur.com/IR8tJxE.jpg

Remember all the riots from this ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????

Am I doing it right, libs?

[austingtir]

The MSM and leftists are cancer.


Its the media, they are criminals at this point. They are inflaming everything with fake narratives with no data. It's a shame.


But leftists are stupid enough to go along with it everytime.


Everytime I see this story pop up on the news the first word out of the newsreaders mouth is WHITE cop.



Someone please explain to me how the media is not out there with a gaslighter fanning the flames on this.


I also note as Trump did that city is run by a leftist mayor and the state governor is a leftist too. They allowed the rioters to take the police HQ and now it seems the state capitol buildings. That doesnt happen without the police letting them do it.


There are factions in the USA that want riots in the lead upto the presidential election at the end of the year. They want this to go nationwide.

Lets be real here Bidens got no shot if they dont.

[pete376403]

From a few years back....

https://www.startribune.com/minneapolis-police-officer-who-shot-killed-justine-damond-identified-as-mohamed-noor/434975623/#1

The Minneapolis police officer who shot and killed a 40-year-old woman in the alley behind her home Saturday night has been identified as Officer Mohamed Noor. Meanwhile, state investigators have confirmed that they did not find any weapons at the scene.



Couple of questions arise from this:
1. What is the ratio of white people killed by black cops vs black people killed by white cops? and

2/ what happens to the black cop after vs what happens to the white cop after? (hint: In April 2019, Noor was convicted of third-degree murder and manslaughter, but acquitted of intentional second-degree murder.[4] In June 2019, Noor was sentenced to 12.5 years in prison)

[austingtir]

Couple of questions arise from this:
1. What is the ratio of white people killed by black cops vs black people killed by white cops? and

2/ what happens to the black cop after vs what happens to the white cop after? (hint: In April 2019, Noor was convicted of third-degree murder and manslaughter, but acquitted of intentional second-degree murder.[4] In June 2019, Noor was sentenced to 12.5 years in prison)


Its harder than that to compare because in most cases these black people were actually resisting arrest. Those cases went to court and the cops have clearly been found to of not committed outright murder. This particular case with the white cop is different because of the excessive amount of time he put his knee on his neck that was just ridiculous.

This woman from a few years back was reporting a crime and was shot for no reason whatsoever. She didnt even get a chance to resist arrest she was just shot in cold blood.

Its quite different. But still interesting none the less you raise valid points but the way you've stated it is to simplistic.


Dont take this the wrong way I think this cop should be hung but we still havent seen the full video of how he went from the shop front to the on the ground with a knee in his neck.

He didnt just teleport there. Not that it makes any difference to the cops culpability in the whole thing.


My issue is with the media gaslighting this more than anything else.

They are actually outright inciting the riots at this point.

[austingtir]

She's going to be a hot summer over there:

https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/george-floyd-protest-updates-05-28-20/index.html


Floyd's autopsy also found "no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation."


Dude had underlying health conditions that caused him to die.

Jon Jones from the MMA reckons it was a blood choke and that makes the most sense to me and added to his other health conditions.

[pritch]

Its harder than that to compare because in most cases these black people were actually resisting arrest.

Bullshit! The police shout, "Stop resisting, stop resisting" as standard practice to make onlookers think the guy is resisting, even though he is not. There are countless video clips show this.

Noor did not shoot the woman in cold blood, that's absurd. He was responding to a call saying there was an intruder, alone and new on the job, he may have been shit scared. When she suddenly appeared beside him he fired. Anyone who believes that the fact he was Somalian didn't affect the subsequent proceedings likely also believes in unicorns. That the woman was Australian also meant that 'it went international'.

The police didn't arrest the CNN crew because they were CNN, they arrested them because the reporter was black. There was another, all white, CNN crew nearby and they were not bothered by the cops. Anyhoo that would have to be one of the shortest arrests on record.

Your stuff is just too weird Yokel back on ignore you go.

[skippa1]

How does that equate to a police officer choking a citizen to death?
It's a shit thing to happen in both cases:laugh:

[TheDemonLord]

So, I've seen commentary on this, by a number of people who have previously given very balanced views on previous similar incidents.

People who are not instantly jumping on the 'institutional Racism' bandwagon.

Those people have been unanimous- it was completely unjustified.

[Katman]

Those people have been unanimous- it was completely unjustified.

I'm sure George is grateful you're finally on his side.

[austingtir]

The minnesota government gave out masks to rioters and looters so they could safely riot. If that government has masks to give to people who are buring down their city, it can give out masks so people can bloody well vote in person like normal.

We are deep into clown world here, folks.




Check mate deepstate.

[austingtir]

So, I've seen commentary on this, by a number of people who have previously given very balanced views on previous similar incidents.

People who are not instantly jumping on the 'institutional Racism' bandwagon.

Those people have been unanimous- it was completely unjustified.


Unjustified yes.


Institutional racism. Dont think so.

Idiot cop yes. I dont see any racism and anybody saying otherwise is just fanning the flames of this thing imo. If this is racism then it was just as racist of officer Noor to shoot that white woman in cold blood three years ago.


We still havent seen the full footage of how he ended up on the ground have we?



Heres a current example by officer hightower of what happens when someone steps out of line: (notice how the white copper doesnt even throw a punch)

https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1266576238107398150/pu/vid/444x960/lrEddsZ21lighl-U.mp4?tag=10


Theres zero evidence that the same thing didnt happen in this Floyd case because for whatever reason they've redacted the footage....

[austingtir]

The minnesota government gave out masks to rioters and looters so they could safely riot. If that government has masks to give to people who are buring down their city, it can give out masks so people can bloody well vote in person like normal.

We are deep into clown world here, folks.

[pritch]

The minnesota government gave out masks to rioters and looters so they could safely riot. If that government has masks to give to people who are buring down their city, it can give out masks so people can bloody well vote in person like normal.

We are deep into clown world here, folks.

You didn't need to post that twice, it was crap the first time.

[austingtir]

You didn't need to post that twice, it was crap the first time.


You dont like facts? I'll post it again then:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/minneapolis-mayor-says-facemasks-given-to-rioters-as-other-residents-told-to-avoid-mass-gatherings


Frey, in a plea for peace Thursday night, noted that his government was giving face masks to rioters in an effort to slow coronavirus spread.

"The City encourages everyone to exercise caution to stay safe while participating in demonstrations, including wearing masks and physical distancing as much as possible to prevent the spread of COVID-19," a press release read. "The City has made hundreds of masks available to protesters this week."

[TheDemonLord]

I'm sure George is grateful you're finally on his side.

Well - what is your point here?

Policing, by it's nature, will always result in People dieing.

Whether that is Police having to kill someone to stop a crime from happening, or Police Officers in the heat of the moment making the wrong call, or Police Officers having violent assholes in their ranks who are looking for an excuse to bust heads.

Whether that is Violent felons having to kill Officers to make their escapae, Scarred people overreacting in a bid to escape or people making a mistake.


What we as a society should be seeking to do is to differentiate between the Justified and unjustified Deaths from the Police viewpoint, look at the Unjustified and then punish those responsible if it is warranted and improve training/policy/procedure if it is not.

We should then further seek to refine our vetting of officers to try and weed-out the ones who don't have the right temperament.

However, using a death to push a narrative and agenda and then actively encouraging violent riots, which end up destroying innocent by-standers property etc. this is not acceptable.

I could at the least understand if they choose to target the Police stations as a show of frustration against the Police - by destroying local businesses? That's when the people rioting betray their hand.

[Katman]

Policing, by it's nature, will always result in People dieing.

You say that like it's inevitable that police will kill citizens.

As soon as we start 'accepting' the idea that police have an unspoken 'right' to kill citizens we're on that downward slope towards a police state.

And I'd suggest a considerable portion of the world is already on that slope.

[austingtir]

You say that like it's inevitable that police will kill citizens.

As soon as we start 'accepting' the idea that police have an unspoken 'right' to kill citizens we're on that downward slope towards a police state.

And I'd suggest a considerable portion of the world is already on that slope.


Tours over for these rioters. Its only a matter of time now until they start shooting these savages on sight.


https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/1266925493384736769?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

[Swoop]

The MSM and leftists...

They are exactly the same thing.

[austingtir]

They are exactly the same thing.


TRUE!



(must lengthen your answer to 10 characters.....)

[Bonez]

You didn't need to post that twice, it was crap the first time.Who stuck a big stick up your arse and made you a moderator?

[Bonez]

The police didn't arrest the CNN crew because they were CNN, they arrested them because the reporter was black. There was another, all white, CNN crew nearby and they were not bothered by the cops. Anyhoo that would have to be one of the shortest arrests on record.

.One complied with the police order one didn't. The one that didn't comply got arrested. Comprehendo?:bash:

[jasonu]

Who stuck a big stick up your arse and made you a moderator?

careful, he'll put you on ignore...

[Bonez]

careful, he'll put you on ignore...He he he he:woohoo:...

[TheDemonLord]

You say that like it's inevitable that police will kill citizens.

The use of Force will inevitably lead to Deaths.

It is a simple fact of life. We are continually trying to find ways to mitigate that - such as less-than-lethal options, but as history shows, even they can be Fatal if there are certain circumstances.

If the Police respond to a call about someone bashing their Missus and the only option is for them to use Lethal force- is that right?

The concern about when, how and what the circumstances are is always valid, but it should also be weighed in the understanding that in some cases there was no other option and in others the Police did not have perfect information.

[pritch]

The hashtag 'bunkerbitch' is trending on Twitter.

[Katman]

The hashtag 'bunkerbitch' is trending on Twitter.

You're so jive.

[Bonez]

The hashtag 'bunkerbitch' is trending on Twitter.Says the KB twit....:laugh:

[pritch]

This could be quite important?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/george-w-bush-calls-out-racial-injustices-and-celebrates-protesters-who-march-for-a-better-future/2020/06/02/2d2f7252-a511-11ea-bb20-ebf0921f3bbd_story.html

[husaberg]

This could be quite important?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/george-w-bush-calls-out-racial-injustices-and-celebrates-protesters-who-march-for-a-better-future/2020/06/02/2d2f7252-a511-11ea-bb20-ebf0921f3bbd_story.html

according to the gossip he never supported Trump even after Jed was dropped off the ballot, according to legend his dad voted for Hilary... so hes' was a never trumper as well.


List of Republicans who opposed the 2016 Donald Trump presidential campaign (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Republicans_who_opposed_the_2016_Donald_Tr ump_presidential_campaign#cite_note-1)

[FJRider]

This could be quite important?

Does demonstrating against racial injustice include burning buildings, looting stores, smashing windows and destroying public and private property ... ???

What does the image of a black man standing (with a raised clenched fist) ... on top of a burning Police car achieve (or prove) ... ???

If a white policeman causing the death of a black man is seen as typical of Police (of any colour) ... is the resulting public disorder and damage to property to be seen as a typical reaction of what is to be expected from the majority of black citizens in future such incidents ... ???

[FJRider]

The use of Force will inevitably lead to Deaths.

It already has ... :blank:


It is a simple fact of life. We are continually trying to find ways to mitigate that - such as less-than-lethal options, but as history shows, even they can be Fatal if there are certain circumstances.

People have died from Tazers attacks ... tear gas (either from the effects of the gas or being hit by a gas canister) ... Police truncheons have killed a few ... a few even die on their own in Police cells. Were there "Other" options they "should" have used .. ???


If the Police respond to a call about someone bashing their Missus and the only option is for them to use Lethal force- is that right?

Their choice of options are usually limited. In the attempt to save a life (be it the cops themselves or the "Victim" at the time) ... somebody may have to die. For Police anywhere ... life is full of tough decisions and choices. But ... until it's your finger on the trigger ... and you're the one wearing the uniform ... don't be too quick to judge.


The concern about when, how and what the circumstances are is always valid, but it should also be weighed in the understanding that in some cases there was no other option and in others the Police did not have perfect information.

The time available to make decisions ... with all relevant information available ... is often limited. Again ... tough decisions and choices need to be made.

But to the general public are more often than not ... NOT privy to knowledge of the actual situation at the time.

The Black man was killed by a cop. Was it intentional .. ?? or was the cop merely doing what he could to save his own life ... (and the lives of those police and public nearby as well) .. ???

And was the end result just a really good excuse to riot and loot ... ???

[FJRider]

... Frey, in a plea for peace Thursday night, noted that his government was giving face masks to rioters in an effort to slow coronavirus spread.

"The City encourages everyone to exercise caution to stay safe while participating in demonstrations, including wearing masks and physical distancing as much as possible to prevent the spread of COVID-19," a press release read. "The City has made hundreds of masks available to protesters this week."

That would be a real bitch. Going to a riot and catching the Corona Virus in the process ... :shifty:

A decent mask may help to allay the risk of smoke inhalation ... but might not do much to stop a Police Baton (or bullet) ... :shifty:

[jellywrestler]

A decent mask may help to allay the risk of smoke inhalation ... but might not do much to stop a Police Baton (or bullet) ... :shifty:
but not going there would stop you getting a police baton or bullet....

[TheDemonLord]

Their choice of options are usually limited. In the attempt to save a life (be it the cops themselves or the "Victim" at the time) ... somebody may have to die. For Police anywhere ... life is full of tough decisions and choices. But ... until it's your finger on the trigger ... and you're the one wearing the uniform ... don't be too quick to judge.

Quite the opposite - I'm not judging, only to say that some threats can only be resolved by the use of Lethal force, and that any discussion of the use of Force by the Police needs to keep that reality in mind.


The time available to make decisions ... with all relevant information available ... is often limited. Again ... tough decisions and choices need to be made.

But to the general public are more often than not ... NOT privy to knowledge of the actual situation at the time.

The Black man was killed by a cop. Was it intentional .. ?? or was the cop merely doing what he could to save his own life ... (and the lives of those police and public nearby as well) .. ???

And was the end result just a really good excuse to riot and loot ... ???

Definitely - Hindsight is 20/20 - In this instance though, even the 'side' of the debate that on similar highly publicised 'incidents' have sided with the Police/Officers, have condemned this incident as objectively wrong.

And on that basis, there is something to protest, I don't buy the whole 'institutional Racism' crap, but I'll agree that this needs to be looked at to see what factors were at play and what could/should be changed to try and prevent it in the future.

And yeah - Rioting and Looting - Way to win over public support....


Edit:

Something interesting I saw (sourced from a Black Man, no less):

For every 10,000 Arrests of White Americans made, 4 are killed
For every 10,000 Arrests of Black Americans made, 3 are killed

[jellywrestler]

somewhere it says war veterans are 1.4 times more likely to be shot than non vets, that simply says it's not race based it's behavioural based that gets people shot

[pritch]

The Black man was killed by a cop. Was it intentional .. ?? or was the cop merely doing what he could to save his own life ...

And was the end result just a really good excuse to riot and loot ... ???

In this latest instance the cop knelt on the handcuffed victims neck for nearly nine minutes. That's nine fucking minutes. Including for some minutes after the victim lost consciousness. It would be a wild stretch to claim he was any sort of threat.

The evidence suggests that the rioters and the protestors were not always the same people. Some of the property damage was done by white right wing nutters. Demonstrations and protests often attract people with their own agendas.

The Police were also filmed damaging property, including wrecking a police car, and apparently preparing a fire in an auto parts store. That is not as silly as it sounds, they've done it before. If there's property damage they blame the protestors and can ratchet up the charges.

About the only serious conclusion we can draw is that not all is as it appears.

[TheDemonLord]

Some of the property damage was done by white right wing nutters.

Of course...

Because when the Left Wing is violent, it's always the Right Wing's fault....

[Katman]

The Police were also filmed damaging property, including wrecking a police car, and apparently preparing a fire in an auto parts store.

Do you have a link for that?

[nerrrd]

Historically civilisations have come and gone, maybe this is ours in the process of declining and falling.

Everything tends to chaos apparently.

[sugilite]

Does demonstrating against racial injustice include burning buildings, looting stores, smashing windows and destroying public and private property ... ???


For the most part, I would assume, the demonstrators you see by day, are by and large not the looters coming out at night.
Just scumbags making the most of chaos.

[pritch]

This is just sheer paranoia.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/protests-armed-white-vigilantes/2020/06/04/09e17610-a5bb-11ea-b619-3f9133bbb482_story.html

[Katman]

This is just sheer paranoia.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/protests-armed-white-vigilantes/2020/06/04/09e17610-a5bb-11ea-b619-3f9133bbb482_story.html

How are you getting on with that link to the police wrecking their own vehicle and preparing the fire in the auto parts store?

[TheDemonLord]

For the most part, I would assume, the demonstrators you see by day, are by and large not the looters coming out at night.
Just scumbags making the most of chaos.

That is *quite* the assumption.

Especially given past behavior, rhetoric, ideology etc.

[Katman]

'Cos I know how you all love msm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3n5_D59lSjc

[pritch]

Trump does not much like the Mayor of DC and he has said so on Twitter of course. It transpires though that she is something of a super troll. She has renamed the street pointing toward the White House "Black Lives Matter Plaza" and has had the name painted on the road in yellow super graphics.

[FJRider]

'Cos I know how you all love msm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3n5_D59lSjc

The worst case of suicide I've seen for a while ... :whistle:

[FJRider]

somewhere it says war veterans are 1.4 times more likely to be shot than non vets, that simply says it's not race based it's behavioural based that gets people shot

I've never seen that said anywhere ... got the link for that ... ???

But for a vet ... it was just an occupational hazard.

[jellywrestler]

I've never seen that said anywhere ... got the link for that ... ???

But for a vet ... it was just an occupational hazard.

it was earlier in this thread

[Ian Staples]

yes it was in that long official looking study. that study also said that 83% of people that died by police extreme force where armed so its no surprise that the cops don't fuck around and ask them nicely ,make them a cup of tea and give them a hug

[sugilite]

yes it was in that long official looking study. that study also said that 83% of people that died by police extreme force where armed so its no surprise that the cops don't fuck around and ask them nicely ,make them a cup of tea and give them a hug

And a neck rub

[pritch]

Must be around the full moon? Definitely full crazy.

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

Buffalo protester shoved by Police could be an ANTIFA provocateur. 75 year old Martin Gugino was pushed away after appearing to scan police communications in order to black out the equipment.
@OANN. I watched, he fell harder than was pushed. Was aiming scanner. Could be a set up?

12:34 AM · Jun 10, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

[TheDemonLord]

Actually - you know what is really Crazy?

When the rioting and looting from 'Black Lives Matter' kills more Black people than the original incident that sparked the outrage.

I guess Black Lives only Matter if you can use it as a vehicle for your political agenda.

[FlangMasterJ]

Historically civilisations have come and gone, maybe this is ours in the process of declining and falling.

Everything tends to chaos apparently.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ToolBand/comments/d1b768/falling_isnt_flying_descendings_literary/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcSoLwFisaw

[98tls]

Actually - you know what is really Crazy?

When the rioting and looting from 'Black Lives Matter' kills more Black people than the original incident that sparked the outrage.

I guess Black Lives only Matter if you can use it as a vehicle for your political agenda.

May have been crazy 50 years ago but somewhat ho hum since.

[pritch]

This is great. The retired judge in question was the prosecutor who put John Gotti the Mafia godfather behind bars at no small personal risk to himself. So it was likely his report would pull no punches. It doesn't.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/06/10/retired-judges-sharp-rebuke-william-barr-confirms-worst/

[actungbaby]

I'm speaking in a much broader sense.

From their decaying political system (which has become a comedy act being played out on a world stage), to their belief that they are the world's policemen (even if that includes dropping bombs on innocent wedding parties), to them buying up the entire stock of gun shops as a response to the coronavirus, to the institutionalised racism that seems to incentivise their police force to shoot, run down, choke (select assault with deadly force of your choice) their own citizens - especially if they're black.

And the vast majority of Americans have sat back and allowed it all to happen.I agree 100 % there stuck in the past.
Nothing new there all about.bombast.
The big show .
Guy from Korean war in my dad's.
Hospital ward.spoke about how ,during war more aware.getting,bombed by American .
Talked to elderly man ,about being,
A young child in the blitz in London.
Buts this covid 19. In perspective.
Again thanks didint want get involved.droped bombs .so they chould clear off again .

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[actungbaby]

it wasn't a verbal test, from memory they ran a series of simulations with assailants/suspects, they shot less at Black Suspects.

There's also the actual data, when you look at the ratio of people killed by police (that's both Justified and non-justified) to the amount of Crime each group commits - Black people get shot less than White people.What about that test where got . people white coats to give, others a electric shock .and studying results.
Kartman love shocking us .haha
Southpark stlye .America F@# yeah.

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[actungbaby]

No.

When the Government has done things I really didn't like (and there's been a few of late) - did I go on some violent rampage burning down my Local Community?

Did I set cars on Fire?

Did I smash up shops and go looting?

Did I even focus my anger and target Official infrastructure such as the Police or Government institutions?

So, I ask again - what does it say about the Community when something happens that they don't like, that they feel it is right to go out and destroy their own areas?No kiwis go home beat crap out the partners .or children .well some do.
Hold it in and fester.

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[actungbaby]

Yes and the comments on suspect .
Shoot in the back .or Springsteen.
Track 49 shots .
Yanks go on about there godam right bear arms .lol love see gentle Ben.
Open up with AK 47 on some of them.good old boys .
Remember top gear and man love ,
Slogan on pick up trucks .no sence of humour .ok u chould say that's not ,funny but to try chase them out,of town come on .

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[Katman]

You sound like a Sleaford Mods song.

[Berries]

Again thanks.
Your welcome.

[FlangMasterJ]

Your welcome.

The welcome belongs to him?

[Naki Rat]

Your welcome.

https://pics.me.me/youre-you-are-your-it-belongs-to-you-theyre-they-5147713.png

[pritch]

Wasn't sure where to park this but this thread seems near enough.

The cop who knelt on George Floyd's neck for nearly nine minutes until he was dead is about to go on trial facing multiple charges. It may take some time to pick a jury. Meanwhile the family can take advice on what to do with the US$ 27 million the city has awarded them for wrongful death.

[scumdog]

Wasn't sure where to park this but this thread seems near enough.

The cop who knelt on George Floyd's neck for nearly nine minutes until he was dead is about to go on trial facing multiple charges. It may take some time to pick a jury. Meanwhile the family can take advice on what to do with the US$ 27 million the city has awarded them for wrongful death.

There's more to that case than meets the eye.

Just a comment but how come black lives matter - but only as long as the killer is NOT black (or in a few instances, a cop):shifty:

[scumdog]

Your welcome.


Why do THEY get a welcome and not me??:crazy::msn-wink:

[scumdog]

You sound like a Sleaford Mods song.


But makes less sense?

[F5 Dave]

There's more to that case than meets the eye.

Just a comment but how come black lives matter - but only as long as the killer is NOT black (or in a few instances, a cop):shifty:
Exactly there is more to meets the eye. Cops should be able to murder black dudes without fear of examination.

Let's all kill those black fuckers because they could rape white wimin and God doesn't like them.

Better work stories.

Really dude?. Is that how you present?.

[scumdog]

Exactly there is more to meets the eye. Cops should be able to murder black dudes without fear of examination.

Let's all kill those black fuckers because they could rape white wimin and God doesn't like them.

Better work stories.

Really dude?. Is that how you present?.


Well it seems I 'present' to you in a way you do not approve off?

But you got me wrong...

BTW There's more than meets the eye to the BLM movement - and it's not completely positive.

[Bonez]

Well it seems I 'present' to you in a way you do not approve off?

But you got me wrong...

BTW There's more than meets the eye to the BLM movement - and it's not completely positive.Carefull Scumdog she might put you on ignore. Which will be great for the whole KB community.:msn-wink: Someone else is bound to quote you so she sees your posts anyway.:lol:

The KB Knitting Circle Ladys can not handle someone with a different point of view than their one you see.:weird:

[F5 Dave]

I think you'll find that they are pretty pissed off with the systematic prejudice . A asking them to act with dignity and grace is about a 100 years too late. Treated like a criminal and you reap what you sew.

But by all means continue.

[Bonez]

I think you'll find that they are pretty pissed off with the systematic prejudice . A asking them to act with dignity and grace is about a 100 years too late. Treated like a criminal and you reap what you sew.

But by all means continue.That is not what BLM is ment to be all about dear.:no: They were in Trumps supposed overtaking of the Captitol and some were even gassed as a result. The "look" Biden and Co didn't want to get out to the general public.

[pritch]

I think you'll find that they are pretty pissed off with the systematic prejudice.

That's basically it but things got a bit complicated. There's BLM and there's BLM Inc so to speak. Then there's all the bullshit that the alt right in the US spout which tends to confuse things even further.

At least BLM is a consistent presence, unlike Antifa which normally doesn't exist at all except in the fevered imaginings of the ill informed.

[TheDemonLord]

Wasn't sure where to park this but this thread seems near enough.

The cop who knelt on George Floyd's neck for nearly nine minutes until he was dead is about to go on trial facing multiple charges. It may take some time to pick a jury. Meanwhile the family can take advice on what to do with the US$ 27 million the city has awarded them for wrongful death.

I'm picking he's found not guilty.

And the reason for that is there seems to be enough evidence that says he died as a result of a Drug Overdose.

[TheDemonLord]

I think you'll find that they are pretty pissed off with the systematic prejudice .

Nah, I think you'll find they are being lead by trained Marxists, trying to play the age-old Marxist game of the Proletariat vs the Bourgeoisie, or in this case "Blacks vs Whites", with the same goals....

And the proof is in the pudding: If you were to count all the Unarmed Black People, killed by the Police, in the US who weren't otherwise acting in a threatening manner or with contributing factors (like overdosing on Fentynol) - its a very very very very very very very small number.

Whereas how many Black People are killed by other Black people? Nah, let's not talk about that: Black is Good and White is bad.

The most hilarious part however is that the Alt-Right/Far-Right/Actual White Supremacists are loving that Society is suddenly becoming obsessed about Race and talking about Race. Turns out, when you have Schools indoctrinating kids to think in Racial Terms, it's much easier to recruit Racists....

[pritch]

Nah, I think you'll find they are being lead by trained Marxists,

Nonsense. The three women who registered the name Black Lives Matter are all self proclaimed lesbians apparently, one claims she is a Marxist. So all the racist, white spuremacist, Trump supporters and their fellow travellers, constatly claim BLM are Marxists. Predictable but no less stupid for that.

[TheDemonLord]

Nonsense. The three women who registered the name Black Lives Matter are all self proclaimed lesbians apparently, one said explicitly that THEY (the founders) are TRAINED Marxists.

I've fixed it for you.

But don't take my word for it - when they state they want to tear down the Nuclear Family, the Capitalist, Patriarchal, Colonialist Western Structure - How many more hints do you need that they are Revolutionary Communists?

Then you've got the BLM symbol - which is virtually a Copy+Paste of the Socialist revolution fist.


Edit: It turns out that BLM have deleted the page where they say they want to disrupt the Nuclear Family - isn't that rather interesting... Since y'know - Black Fatherlessness is a major issue in the Black Community and it turns out that Young Men who don't have a Father or any father figures in their lives have a much higher chance of all sorts of things - like Suicide, Murder, Gangs etc.

However - I'll happily retract this if you can provide a quote by a BLM spokesperson encouraging people to get Married, have children in Wedlock etc.

[R650R]

Soon to be a flooded cesspit....

https://www.youtube/BT3lU8CYc9c

[TheDemonLord]

So, who is following the Trial here?

[pete376403]

So, who is following the Trial here?

meanwhile, just down the road, https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56724798

By comparison this guy got off lightly https://www.cbsnews.com/news/virginia-police-officer-fired-pepper-spray-handcuff-black-army-lieutenant-traffic-stop/

[TheDemonLord]

meanwhile, just down the road, https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56724798

By comparison this guy got off lightly https://www.cbsnews.com/news/virginia-police-officer-fired-pepper-spray-handcuff-black-army-lieutenant-traffic-stop/

The memes have already started:

https://yt3.ggpht.com/OBXZPH4NzdvH1gHdtG7vA3qtmrgI7Rg-kfIY52ftF2A51EQCmpBK2vTx4qCdqY776DfYV90wx6c13g=s64 0-nd

However on a serious note - a lot of discussion is being had on the following fronts:

1: If the Officer cannot distinguish between the weight, feel etc. of a Taser vs a Handgun - then there are some serious questions to be asked about the validity of that person being an Officer.
2: Serving Officers have pointed out that they physically separate their Lethal Option and Non-Lethal Option by having them on different sides (e.g. Left side for Non-Lethal, Right side for Lethal) so to prevent this.
3: Some people have pointed to Lowering of Standards and Lowering of Training and referencing certain 'Equality' Movements and 'Defund' movements - making the argument that this is what you get: Untrained people who otherwise wouldn't meet the criteria - getting a badge and a gun.
Finally: People have pointed to the fact that if she was intending to reach for her Taser, the Suspect was clearly doing or not doing something (as the case maybe) and given that a Taser isn't always non-lethal, the Suspect was playing some very stupid games and ended up winning the stupidest prize.

My personal feelings are that we should hear the Evidence for her case, if it turns out that she's incompetent, then she should be held accountable for her actions (and based on the prima facie details - I think there's good grounds for Manslaughter).

[pete376403]

The memes have already started:

.
Finally: People have pointed to the fact that if she was intending to reach for her Taser, the Suspect was clearly doing or not doing something (as the case maybe) and given that a Taser isn't always non-lethal, the Suspect was playing some very stupid games and ended up winning the stupidest prize.

Blaming the victim there. If the numerous traffic stop videos on the 'net are anything to go by, the cops gun is usually the first thing they have ready as they exit their car, whether or not the suspect is trying anything or not. Refer the second video I linked - the detainee had both hand out the wind from the get go, yet the cops found it necessary to have guns at the ready.

[F5 Dave]

America is full of guns and stupid Americans. If I were a cop and wanted to live past 40 I'd be shoot first ask girl cub scouts if they were packing heat later.

After the first few dozen I'd feel pretty powerful.

Watchalookinat bouy?

[TheDemonLord]

Blaming the victim there. If the numerous traffic stop videos on the 'net are anything to go by, the cops gun is usually the first thing they have ready as they exit their car, whether or not the suspect is trying anything or not. Refer the second video I linked - the detainee had both hand out the wind from the get go, yet the cops found it necessary to have guns at the ready.

It's not blaming the Victim, it's saying that both parties have agency and certain choices they made or didn't make were a factor.

In terms of guns being drawn on a Traffic stop - might have something to do with the number of Cops shot, during Traffic stops.

But the key part is the last line - if she's been negligent or incompetent (depending on what the Facts say when they come to light) then she should be held accountable.

[pete376403]

It's not blaming the Victim, it's saying that both parties have agency and certain choices they made or didn't make were a factor.

In terms of guns being drawn on a Traffic stop - might have something to do with the number of Cops shot, during Traffic stops.

But the key part is the last line - if she's been negligent or incompetent (depending on what the Facts say when they come to light) then she should be held accountable.

Re:re guns and traffic stops:
Not so many, according to the FBI:https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/fbi-releases-2019-statistics-on-law-enforcement-officers-killed-in-the-line-of-duty

And about half of these are accidents (vehicle, etc)

Compared to the number of people killed by cops : https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/

Not saying that there is no risk to the cops but with ratios like that it's not really surprising that a person stopped might be of the opinion that they are likely to be killed so why not try to even the odds a bit? Especially when the cop has an almost guaranteed get out - "I feared for my life" - where as the stopped driver could never use that as an excuse, regardless of the outcome.

[TheDemonLord]

Re:re guns and traffic stops:
Not so many, according to the FBI:https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/fbi-releases-2019-statistics-on-law-enforcement-officers-killed-in-the-line-of-duty

I grant you the number isn't high, but the statement "Of the things that will get a Cop murdered in the line of Duty, traffic violation stops are the single biggest situation" is correct. Bearing in mind that is only people who are killed - when you consider cops wear Body Armour and have first aid kits etc. The survivability of a Cop vs Joe Bloggs favours the Cops.


Compared to the number of people killed by cops : https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/

That DB is very interesting, especially when you filter out all the people that were, in 2020:

1: Armed
2: Fleeing
3: Suffering from Mental Illness (Not saying it's right to shoot people suffering from Mental Illness, but people suffering can act erratically to the point where they present a threat that results in them getting killed)

You get a total of 20 people killed in 2020, now included in that are people like Breonna Taylor (Who was killed in a cross-fire when the Police attempted to serve a Warrant, caused by someone shooting at the Cops).
That also includes people who although not armed, were involved in 'A Physical Altercation' with the Police.
That also includes people who were advancing on the Police with their hands obscured or concealed.

48 vs 20


Not saying that there is no risk to the cops but with ratios like that it's not really surprising that a person stopped might be of the opinion that they are likely to be killed so why not try to even the odds a bit? Especially when the cop has an almost guaranteed get out - "I feared for my life" - where as the stopped driver could never use that as an excuse, regardless of the outcome.

When you actually drill down in the data - it seems exceedingly clear:

If you comply with the Police, you aren't presenting a threat - you'll not get shot.

I saw this morning that she's being charged with Manslaughter.

[sugilite]

Fun fact, while I lived in the states, I was in a car stopped at a temporary booze testing station the cops had set up.
I was a passenger, not the driver. Being a kiwi, I had bare feet. There was a cop standing on my side of the car. I got a itch on my foot, and did not think about it and bent down to scratch it, and wammo - I had a gun in my face.
My fault, I don't have a quibble with it. It is a different world over there, and the guns are just every fucking where. I saw two newspaper adverts, open a bank account and get a free shotgun, and another buy a car and a choose a free hand gun.
It was Arkansas, so the cops had to have me repeat my answers to the questions several times as they just could not get my accent.
Once they learned I was from New Zealand, the conversation went straight to hobbits and kiwifruit, as it often did.
They became very friendly after that and even moaned about their anal boss to me lol

The day I landed in the states, there had been yet another mass shooting event. Queue empty thoughts and prayers waffle from the right with talk of gun control from the left. A local radio DJ was against any form of gun control. He was spouting off numbers. I cannot remember the exact numbers he was quoting, but his little speech went something like "When you take out the suicides, the number drops from 36,000 right down to ONLY 13000". It was the "only" word that really irked me. Just imagine if said DJ was made to walk down a line of 13000 dead peoples relatives and had to say "I'm sorry for your loss" to each of them. Lets see him use the word "only" after performing that task. It was sickening really, and there is no way America can fix it's gun problem as that warped "what gun problem" mentality spreads across so much of the population.

[F5 Dave]

Cool story bro I think is what one says. That had me sweating just reading it.

Free shotgun at bank. Jezzuz.

Get married at wedding-land and we'll give you some free knuckledusters. No reason, might come in handy. :shutup:

[onearmedbandit]

I must say enjoyed my time in America, but I am white and I was in Orange County.

[TheDemonLord]

On this - I've just watched the BodyCam footage.

He's being arrested, about to be placed in Cuffs, then starts fighting the Cops. This is instigated by the Victim - as above, he started playing a Stupid Game.

Lady Cop has drawn her Weapon (it's very visible in the footage) and then really clearly yells:

"TASER! TASER! TASER!" before firing.

She immediately realises she has shot him and not uses the Taser, drops her Weapon in shock, he drives off and she's heard going 'Oh Shit!'

Seeing that reinforces 2 thoughts on this: Never ascribe to Malice, that which can be ascribed to Stupidity.
and
Even though it's seems clear she didn't intend to kill him and seems genuinely devastated that she shot someone - This looks like Manslaughter to me.

The only thing I can think of, is if it goes to trial the defense will say 'If he hadn't have driven off, he could have received life-saving first aid'. But yeah, she needs to be held accountable for her actions.

[onearmedbandit]

This guy will be looking for a new job soon, probably fit right in with some of the front line staff too.

https://www.revolt.tv/2021/4/14/22384346/army-sergeant-assault-black-man

[pritch]

This guy will be looking for a new job soon, probably fit right in with some of the front line staff too.

https://www.revolt.tv/2021/4/14/22384346/army-sergeant-assault-black-man

The original police response was to book him for the damage to the phone and ignore the assault. The viral video clip changed that and he’s been arrested. His job may be in jeopardy though, apparently his command general is black.

[pritch]

I've had a quick look for the Minneapolis Police report into their fatal interaction with George Floyd. Couldn't find it in its entirety but this is part of it as quoted by the Washiington Post.


“Two officers arrived and located the suspect, a male believed to be in his 40s, in his car. He was ordered to step from his car. After he got out, he physically resisted officers. Officers were able to get the suspect into handcuffs and noted he appeared to be suffering medical distress. Officers called for an ambulance. He was transported to Hennepin County Medical Center by ambulance where he died a short time later.”


By now you will have all seen the video shot by 17 yo Danella Frazier. When that report was written the police had obviously not seen Danella's clip. They had footage from multiple body cams, the report from the despatcher, and most of the other information presented at trial. Yet thay came up with that fantasy?

Anybody associated with that report needs to be handed the arse card.