Speed Limit Changes

[Reckless]

This is a bit over the top. I think we need to upgrade the skills not meet the lowest grade of driver. Cars are supposedly manufactured safer.
I think someone has decided all roads will be self funding as even the non speeders will exceed these limits. And some will take big risks to pass the ones doing the limit.
I think this is a little crazy in some areas TBH.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/06/interactive-map-shows-where-auckland-s-new-speed-limits-will-be.html?fbclid=IwAR0eQpiBb3Wb8DwOlXUHmB-UreCb_nYKEaokZdOHWcvIiRcM_BtxL8-R2pk

Interactive Map here
https://atgis.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=a13aa8469db642f283ef3ad241b71882&fbclid=IwAR0TDstXKpAgNxNdXS42M4bxIkO82E2Yf85ex69Av g66d8kpOjq71awo-TE


Check out your ride loop there will be cops and cameras everywhere.

[OddDuck]

Yep. The safety brigade at it again. The numbers are real but FFS I wish these guys would have a look at the numbers of Kiwis dropping dead of coronary disease and diabetes... sugar and fat are killing way more of us than cars are.

[Bonez]

This is a bit over the top. I think we need to upgrade the skills not meet the lowest grade of driver. Cars are supposedly manufactured safer.
I think someone has decided all roads will be self funding as even the non speeders will exceed these limits. And some will take big risks to pass the ones doing the limit.
I think this is a little crazy in some areas TBH.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/06/interactive-map-shows-where-auckland-s-new-speed-limits-will-be.html?fbclid=IwAR0eQpiBb3Wb8DwOlXUHmB-UreCb_nYKEaokZdOHWcvIiRcM_BtxL8-R2pk

Interactive Map here
https://atgis.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=a13aa8469db642f283ef3ad241b71882&fbclid=IwAR0TDstXKpAgNxNdXS42M4bxIkO82E2Yf85ex69Av g66d8kpOjq71awo-TE


Check out your ride loop there will be cops and cameras everywhere.Not were I go....Sux Auckland.

[johcar]

Taking all the fun out of the twisties.

AT are staffed by cunts. Always have been. Always will be.

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[Swoop]

Theory #1: This is to recoup the cuntcil's financial clusterfuck, by issuing more speeding fines.
Theory #2: This is to allow more time for retarded pedestrians to walk out into traffic, whilst staring at their iCock, before being run over.

[SaferRides]

So Auckland has about 30% of the population and less than 20% of the road deaths.

We should be congratulated on our safe driving, not be made to travel at walking pace.

[eldog]

Far canal, Time for the Temporary signs to come down.:devil2:

temporary was just to give you the idea it maybe changing back to the way it was.:killingme

another reason to shift out.:wait:

[pete376403]

Many of those speed limits will just be reflecting the reality of a grid-locked system anyway. Some days you would be pleased to be able to attain those limits.

[swarfie]

I just zoomed out and back in further South on the map to see where these changes might affect me in the Waikato. FFS they can't even get the latest map! S.H.1 doesn't go through Huntly anymore :brick:

A chance to get up to these new speeds might be a good thing on Dorklands congested roads. Thank Christ I don't have to go there much anymore.

[pritch]

The thread title had me worried until I realised it was just Auckland. Panic over. As long as it doesn't catch on.

The centre of town here has been 30kph for some years and that's not inappropriate.

[Berries]

What you need are some 10km/h speed limits. They work a treat.

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/dcc/george-st-speed-limit-and-dots-set-go

[eldog]

The thread title had me worried until I realised it was just Auckland. Panic over. As long as it doesn't catch on.

The centre of town here has been 30kph for some years and that's not inappropriate.

True there are places where a lower limit is appropriate.

You can be assured these new limits will be coming to you, just a matter of time. Followed by outlawing of racing and any types of motorized excitement.:bash:

Brought to you by the cotton wool society near you.

[R650R]

We already had this in HB. A number of perfectly good 100k roads reduced to 80k. Some were reverted , prob after councillors realised it was taking too long to get to all there winery bbq dinners etc.
All part of the communist agenda to force us into public transport and away from the freedom of private travel.

[SaferRides]

NZTA are currently "consulting" on making SH1 from Puhoi to Warkworth 80 km/h.

Soon it will be 80 the whole way to Whangarei.

[MarkH]

Cambridge changed a bunch of streets to 40kph about a year or so ago. This shit is already spreading!
Those 40kph streets are safe enough at 50 when it is quiet and you can't do 40 anyway when they are busy. I'm unsure how the limit being 40 helps.

[Danger Mouse]

Some are going from 100 to 40! Oh well I'll just use a radar detector and do what I'm doing

[FJRider]

So Auckland has about 30% of the population and less than 20% of the road deaths.

The majority of which are motorway based or restricted to 50 or 70 km/hr speed zones. And have (in your words) 20% of the country's road deaths.




We should be congratulated on our safe driving, not be made to travel at walking pace.

See above ... :lol:

SAFE driving ... ??? ;)

[SaferRides]

The majority of which are motorway based or restricted to 50 or 70 km/hr speed zones. And have (in your words) 20% of the country's road deaths.





See above ... [emoji38]

SAFE driving ... ??? ;)

I've checked the figures for 2019 and we had 11% of the total fatalities and 33% of the population. So we're actually doing much better than I thought.

[Swoop]

To anyone thinking "it's only Auckland", just remember that this will be the thin end of the wedge and your town will be on the to-do list of bureaucrats who repeat the deluded mantra of "speed kiils mmkay".

[SPman]

Jeez, and we all bitched over here when they dropped our local main road from 110 to 100! 🤫
..and they dropped some 60 k areas to 50.
Bastards!

[Scuba_Steve]

This is a bit over the top. I think we need to upgrade the skills not meet the lowest grade of driver.

The worst part is by catering to the lowest grade you create a new, lower grade; but no-one seems to get that.
I'm starting to think the roads are being built for the "millennials", slow enough so you can check your smarty phones on the go

[FJRider]

I've checked the figures for 2019 and we had 11% of the total fatalities and 33% of the population. So we're actually doing much better than I thought.

The current road toll is 352.

Given your average toll ... that's about 35 people that have died in that city area alone ... so far this year.

And that (apparently) is better than you thought ... ??? <_<

Or is this just a bad year ... ??

[Bonez]

From what I can gather is some areas have reduced the speed is because of urban expansion.. That is not a bad thing..

[SaferRides]

The current road toll is 352.

Given your average toll ... that's about 35 people that have died in that city area alone ... so far this year.

And that (apparently) is better than you thought ... ???
You may have missed it, but the Auckland Council covers the area from the Waikato River to just south of Mangawhai. 40 deaths is 11% of the national total in an area with a third of the NZ population.

[FJRider]

You may have missed it, but the Auckland Council covers the area from the Waikato River to just south of Mangawhai. 40 deaths is 11% of the national total in an area with a third of the NZ population.

So it's worse than I thought up there ... It's Safer down here ... :shifty:

[eldog]

It may be interesting to see a breakdown of peoples place of residence compared to location of death. To see if it aucklanders who can't drive outside auckland. Or how long the unfortunates have resided in NZ.

That would prove if locals are crap.

Having said that I have witnessed accidents which have been caused by someone's actions who was totally in the wrong but have caused others to crash trying to avoid them.

Won't be long and we will have speed limited cars...... controlled by RFID or similar. Instant fines for any type of misdemeanor.

[SaferRides]

So it's worse than I thought up there ... It's Safer down here ... :shifty:This is just my impression from news reports, but it seems most of the deaths are in the urban areas with very few on rural roads.

I'll have a look on the AT website. (Auckland Transport)

[FJRider]

This is just my impression from news reports, but it seems most of the deaths are in the urban areas with very few on rural roads.

I'll have a look on the AT website. (Auckland Transport)

I'll avoid Auckland for another 30 years ... just to be on the safe side ... :blank:

[eldog]

I'll avoid Auckland for another 30 years ... just to be on the safe side ... :blank:

Phew, we dodged a bullet.:rolleyes:

[pete376403]

Won't be long and we will have speed limited cars...... controlled by RFID or similar. Instant fines for any type of misdemeanor.

The technology to control the vehicle speed or monitor the vehicle speed would be much the same. So they could either remotely force the vehicle to confirm to the limit, or they could just fine the vehicle owner for exceeding the limit. I guess we all know which option would be taken.

[MarkH]

The current road toll is 352.

Given your average toll ... that's about 35 people that have died in that city area alone ... so far this year.


The road toll for 2019 was 352. The current toll so far this year is 123

[Swoop]

That would prove if locals are crap.

They are, but they seem to survive somehow.

[eldog]

They are, but they seem to survive somehow.

They breed quite easily.

I am sure this will be proven at work soon, young guy has twice rolled his car recently. He Thinks its funny.
He's having 'issues with GF'.
Heavy drinking at weekend etc
Expecting him to say she's pregnant quite soon. Yeah that's a good plan, for long term relationship.

[lexfurther]

Any speed limit changes coming soon or are those just rumors?

[R650R]

Any speed limit changes coming soon or are those just rumors?

Yes, sadly. NZTA has an official map of all the new coming limits. Someone could prob do an OIA request to see it.
But basically any road that is not a motorway will be 80k or less, many urban areas be 40 or 30 etc...
They are drip feeding out the changes so there isn’t a massive backlash by public but it is coming.
A govt mp mentioned all this in radio interview few months ago

[onearmedbandit]

Yes, sadly. NZTA has an official map of all the new coming limits. Someone could prob do an OIA request to see it.
But basically any road that is not a motorway will be 80k or less, many urban areas be 40 or 30 etc...
They are drip feeding out the changes so there isn’t a massive backlash by public but it is coming.
A govt mp mentioned all this in radio interview few months ago

Chris Hipkins announced only a few days ago that a lot of the proposed speed limit changes are now not going ahead.


Narrowing the speed reduction programme to focus on the most dangerous one per cent of state highways, where there are the highest numbers of deaths and injuries and where local communities support change.....On speed limit changes, Hipkins said they would only reduce in the areas of high numbers of death and injuries. There would still be targeted reductions around schools and marae.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/pm-chris-hipkins-policy-bonfire-turns-to-transport-speed-limit-changes-expected-to-be-ditched/B3KZEZZEGFAMRNMJREI4TIHPQM/

[TheDemonLord]

Chris Hipkins announced only a few days ago that a lot of the proposed speed limit changes are now not going ahead.

And does anyone here genuinely believe that the entire Labour party has had a change of heart?

[neels]

And does anyone here genuinely believe that the entire Labour party has had a change of heart?
There does seem to be a bit of a change of direction with chippy in charge. We'll see if it comes to anything.....

It looks a lot like they're taking the cyclone recovery as a chance (excuse?) to ditch a bunch of stuff that was being done to keep fringe groups happy, and concentrate on things that actually matter towards keeping the country functioning.

A bit hard to justify spending money on running around replacing road signs for some minor perceived risk reduction, when there is a massive amount of money needed for replacing entire roads.

[HenryDorsetCase]

The only speed limit I acknowledge in this universe is the speed of light.

[R650R]

Chris Hipkins announced only a few days ago that a lot of the proposed speed limit changes are now not going ahead.



https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/pm-chris-hipkins-policy-bonfire-turns-to-transport-speed-limit-changes-expected-to-be-ditched/B3KZEZZEGFAMRNMJREI4TIHPQM/

Yes I saw that in news, that is correct in short term.
But it remains that the road management authorities are liable under OSH if they do nothing. So that along with greens anti-car/truck mantra will keep it slowly ticking over.

As the other two posters mention it’s part of the policy bonfire to keep potential labour voters warmed up along with cost of the signage. Like a pentagon hammer purchase it prob costs ten k every time they change a sign.

[onearmedbandit]

Yes I saw that in news, that is correct in short term.
But it remains that the road management authorities are liable under OSH if they do nothing. So that along with greens anti-car/truck mantra will keep it slowly ticking over.

As the other two posters mention it’s part of the policy bonfire to keep potential labour voters warmed up along with cost of the signage. Like a pentagon hammer purchase it prob costs ten k every time they change a sign.

I'm under no misunderstanding about the reasons why they've announced this change of tact, but still the fact remains that currently the focus has been shifted elsewhere.

[FJRider]

And does anyone here genuinely believe that the entire Labour party has had a change of heart?

Not change of heart ... just a simple change of priorities. Extreme weather events have that effect on Government policies and planning.

To NOT do so ... might mean a few terms with the Party spent on the back benches.


The number of voters that (currently) do not have a home to live in ... could easily change the party in power after the next election. Or (depending on this Governments actions now) not.


The scale of the devastation will mean ... ALL promised spending (everywhere else in the Country) can be scaled back ... or just simply put it on hold (again).


Watch this space ... ;)

[Berries]

Yes, sadly. NZTA has an official map of all the new coming limits. Someone could prob do an OIA request to see it.
But basically any road that is not a motorway will be 80k or less, many urban areas be 40 or 30 etc..
I have access to the 'secret' map, as do a few others on here. Some 100's and 110's, single lane rural roads become 80 unless they are unsealed when they become 60. Most urban roads are 30, busier ones are 40.

What is funny about this is NZTA soon realised that they did not have the 'social licence' to do wholesale speed limit reductions so they have been kicking that particular bucket around delaying things while at the same time coercing local authorities to do their own roads. Some have, some are working on it, but NZTA have got themselves off the hook now with the recent announcement.

They will still drop the speed limit outside schools, there is public buy-in to that even on good old KB. They will be forced into dropping urban speed limits if the highway passes through a town where the council have done all the side streets. I bet that is all we are going to see for now.

To be honest they shot themselves in the foot with this anyway. If TPTB were actually serious about speed management they would just say right, the default rural speed limit is now 80, the default urban speed limit is 30 and you all have 12 months to sort your shit out and get the signs up. The savings are not from the physical cost of installing all the signs, that's nothing in the scheme of things, it is the cost for all the speed management plans being written and all the consultation requirements around that. Did someone say gravy train?

[HenryDorsetCase]

I have access to the 'secret' map, as do a few others on here. Some 100's and 110's, single lane rural roads become 80 unless they are unsealed when they become 60. Most urban roads are 30, busier ones are 40.

What is funny about this is NZTA soon realised that they did not have the 'social licence' to do wholesale speed limit reductions so they have been kicking that particular bucket around delaying things while at the same time coercing local authorities to do their own roads. Some have, some are working on it, but NZTA have got themselves off the hook now with the recent announcement.

They will still drop the speed limit outside schools, there is public buy-in to that even on good old KB. They will be forced into dropping urban speed limits if the highway passes through a town where the council have done all the side streets. I bet that is all we are going to see for now.

To be honest they shot themselves in the foot with this anyway. If TPTB were actually serious about speed management they would just say right, the default rural speed limit is now 80, the default urban speed limit is 30 and you all have 12 months to sort your shit out and get the signs up. The savings are not from the physical cost of installing all the signs, that's nothing in the scheme of things, it is the cost for all the speed management plans being written and all the consultation requirements around that. Did someone say gravy train?

you say gravy train and I imagine a sushi train with a bunch of different flavoured gravy in jugs coming around.

[TheDemonLord]

There does seem to be a bit of a change of direction with chippy in charge. We'll see if it comes to anything.....

It looks a lot like they're taking the cyclone recovery as a chance (excuse?) to ditch a bunch of stuff that was being done to keep fringe groups happy, and concentrate on things that actually matter towards keeping the country functioning.

A bit hard to justify spending money on running around replacing road signs for some minor perceived risk reduction, when there is a massive amount of money needed for replacing entire roads.

I don't buy it for a second.

The most charitable I could be (in line with what you are suggesting) is that they've simply said 'now is not the right time' - as opposed to admitting the Policie(s) in question are fundamentally flawed.

And yes, Labour spending money it doesn't have to fix problems it created.

See what I mean by no real change...

[TheDemonLord]

The only speed limit I acknowledge in this universe is the speed of light.

Let me know when you get there :D

[Berries]

you say gravy train and I imagine a sushi train with a bunch of different flavoured gravy in jugs coming around.
That's cosmopolitan Christchurch for you.

[HenryDorsetCase]

That's cosmopolitan Christchurch for you.

Dont tell me it isnt a million dollar idea!

[neels]

Getting closer to being quicker to walk than take the car....

Not sure exactly how it costs $8.4 million, or $46,300 per school, to lower the speed limit though.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/131769688/christchurch-spending-84m-to-lower-speed-limits-outside-schools

[onearmedbandit]

Getting closer to being quicker to walk than take the car....

Not sure exactly how it costs $8.4 million, or $46,300 per school, to lower the speed limit though.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/131769688/christchurch-spending-84m-to-lower-speed-limits-outside-schools

Consultants. Lots of them. With clipboards. And hi-vis.

[TheDemonLord]

Getting closer to being quicker to walk than take the car....

Not sure exactly how it costs $8.4 million, or $46,300 per school, to lower the speed limit though.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/131769688/christchurch-spending-84m-to-lower-speed-limits-outside-schools

So..........


There does seem to be a bit of a change of direction with chippy in charge. We'll see if it comes to anything.....
...

...
A bit hard to justify spending money on running around replacing road signs for some minor perceived risk reduction, when there is a massive amount of money needed for replacing entire roads.

[neels]

So..........

Well.....

if you actually read the article.....



In March, the Government jettisoned a swathe of projects and bills in an effort to be re-elected later this year. Under a revised transport plan, speeds would be lowered on the most dangerous 1% of state highways.

That had no impact on Christchurch City Council, said Wright, which is continuing to develop a 10-year speed plan for its district, including Banks Peninsula, in partnership with Waka Kotahi, the police and Te Mana Ora,​ formerly the public health unit of the district health board.

[TheDemonLord]

Well.....

if you actually read the article.....

My comment wasn't on the article, though, was it?

[R650R]

Getting closer to being quicker to walk than take the car....

Not sure exactly how it costs $8.4 million, or $46,300 per school, to lower the speed limit though.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/131769688/christchurch-spending-84m-to-lower-speed-limits-outside-schools

That’s pretty cheap, with any “ infrastructure” build there are many components.

Firstly there will be the illusion of some kind of local consultation with community, hireage of meeting Hall and catering.
Traffic site management operations during changes.
Physical components, signs, plastic speed bumps electronic signs. Changes to keening and islands, token tree planting to keep eco-nutters happy.
Surveying of site before and after and audit of job.
Let’s not forget how much Jacinda blew on tranny gully opening ceremony.

My property needs about 50m of metal fencing and double width gate. 5 years ago the quote was about 13k materials and labour (I know you can get cheaper fence systems but wanted quality). I’d fully expect the same setup is prob 20k now so 46k fir school signs setup not bad....

The only way we fix this madness is to implement Labour’s ONE good idea they had in last six years. And that would be to resurrect the ministry’s of works to fulfill ALL govt and council infrastructure work.

[R650R]

Let me know when you get there :D

If he does you could be waiting awhile for the reply....

88mph is as fast as I ever need to go in my Delorean lol

[Gremlin]

Good to see they've got their priorities right.

Vast swathes of infrastructure missing or needing serious repair (like motorcyclists literally crashing when they hit pot holes)... but yep, lets burn it on speed zone changes...

Fortunately they're not accountable (or at least seemingly unaccountable) so can do what they like!

[SaferRides]

Unfortunately projects funded for this financial year will probably continue. I understand that Auckland Transport is reducing speed limits around rural schools to 30 km/h.

Road deaths for this year to date are down by 14%, but that may simply be all of the bad weather during summer keeping people at home!

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[SaferRides]

Waka Kotahi are still pushing their blanket speed limit reductions around schools, but want the ratepayers to meet the cost, a mere $70 million for Auckland.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/488384/most-auckland-schools-want-speeds-lowered-but-not-all-councillors-convinced




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[TheDemonLord]

Waka Kotahi are still pushing their blanket speed limit reductions around schools, but want the ratepayers to meet the cost, a mere $70 million for Auckland.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/488384/most-auckland-schools-want-speeds-lowered-but-not-all-councillors-convinced


"We'll demand the changes and then force the people who don't want them to pay for it"

It's things like this that increasingly sway me to the 'Taxation is Theft' argument.

[SaferRides]

"We'll demand the changes and then force the people who don't want them to pay for it"

It's things like this that increasingly sway me to the 'Taxation is Theft' argument.A few years ago we had weeks of traffic chaos caused by blocking most of the side roads in the residential area of Onehunga with planter boxes. That too was paid for by Waka Kotahi with our taxes, and it took some direct action by residents before it was ended.




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[R650R]

Instead of fixing roads it seems Waka Kokrappy roads is hell bent on blowing money on advertising campaigns about speed lately…
Anyhow last data I could easily find ending financial year 2020 2,700,000 infringements for speed issues across all enforcement avenues.
If we skip past the deadpool to the larger group of seriously injured it seems statistically they would be a very small percentage vs those ticketed, in fact if you were to somehow calculated ALL occasions of speed because cops can’t be everywhere at once then from a scientific basis there would be no tangible basis to equate speed with likelihood of serious injury.
For the record you all know I accept travelling at higher speeds is inherently dangerous to some extent and will result in nastier injuries or death.
It’s just that I love the govts own data doesn’t prove their claims.

[Berries]

Got to love all the supportive comments at the bottom of this story -

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/wellington/132363358/brakes-hit-on-wellington-speed-reduction-plan-after-250m-error-spotted

[roogazza]

Got to love all the supportive comments at the bottom of this story -

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/wellington/132363358/brakes-hit-on-wellington-speed-reduction-plan-after-250m-error-spotted

we are surrounded by fuckwits !!!!! dumb decisions and wasting our money.....

[TheDemonLord]

Got to love all the supportive comments at the bottom of this story -

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/wellington/132363358/brakes-hit-on-wellington-speed-reduction-plan-after-250m-error-spotted

The fact the comments are closed after only ~100 comments really is telling on the Media.

If the comment section was overwhelming support, it would still be open - but we can't let the public be critical of our utopian vision. Dissension in the ranks must be silenced!

[R650R]

As if all the other crap isn’t bad enough we now have 20k speed limit at a section of HB roadworks

Yes that’s twenty k…. Who authorised this nonsense

[Hoonicorn]

Central Wellington is chaos, but not because of speeding cars. No one seems to talk about the safety risk of walking around a city centre with EarPods in, staring at your phone or ignoring traffic signals as you cross the street...


Better slow down those cars even more :banana: .

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/XGv-aAB_Rmo/maxresdefault.jpg
"I'll just eat the baby today"