best we tear down all the Dr Ashleigh Bloomfield statues...

[jellywrestler]

two new covid cases in NZ. were these people tested before leaving the UK? what about all the others on their flights too. Looks like the golden boy bloomfield has fallen from grace

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300035945/coronavirus-two-women-who-travelled-to-nz-from-the-uk-test-positive-for-covid19

[pete376403]

Probably not tested before leaving the UK, but what I can't believe is that they were not tested before leaving quarantine, when the 14 day period had not completed. And that one of them had symptoms but chose to ignore it as a "pre-existing" condition. (BTW how can something be pre-existing? Pre, before, before existing means nothing was there, until it existed)

[Katman]

Was Ashley Bloomfield the one who granted the compassionate exemption?

[BMWST?]

I also find it very difficult to believe they drove all the way from Auckland to Wellington with making any stops at all,and not coming into "contact" with other people.Whislt I am sure there are many people who could and do do that but for a "tourist" that is a big day at the wheel.
I dont think there is anything wrong with the idea but it seems that the actual management of the "quaratine' centres is poor.This is serious stuff it because it makes an absolute mockery of what we all did through levels 3 and 4,and it validates the previous restrictions placed on new arrivals.

[neels]

Guess that fucks it for anyone else who had valid reasons to ask for exemption.

Very convenient that the symptoms seemed like another illness, given that had they told someone they were sick they probably would have been tested and not allowed to go and do what they wanted to do.

Thanks to these muppets a shitload of other people are in isolation and can't go about their lives as normal, just goes to show what selfish arseholes some people can be.

Not the only case either,

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/121850739/coronavirus-two-hamilton-teens-flee-funeral-after-isolation-exemption

Waste of time bleating to the media now about how hard done by you are having to stay in isolation, there won't be much public sympathy, if people are unhappy just point them in the direction of these idiots as the reason.

[pritch]

That woman in the US that wanted to come back for her son's funeral may be out of luck. That's the funeral for the guy that was hit head on by an idiot going the wrong way on the motorway.

Having anyone come here from the UK or the USA doesn't seem like a good idea currently, neither country has even started to get to grips with the virus.

Anyhoo, the officials that let the two people from the UK loose in the country, one of whom was showing symptoms, should have had the come to Jesus talk. I do find it difficult to believe that the two traveled Auckland to Wellington non-stop with no contact with others. No gas, no cuppa, no loo stop, nothing.

It's not realistic to blame Bloomfield for the fuck up. If it keeps happening though, that'd be different.

[rastuscat]

Not so long ago Ashley and the Minister of Health were claiming victory.

Hard to believe they were released without being tested. Even the Minister was surprised when told that.

[Berries]

Meh. Being back in the office sucks arse anyway. Level 3 was much better.

[jellywrestler]

Was Ashley Bloomfield the one who granted the compassionate exception?

probably not, but he's the one whose been telling us how to do this and now comes out and says people will receive a test before being let out so it seems his system wasn't robust.

[jellywrestler]

. I do find it difficult to believe that the two traveled Auckland to Wellington non-stop with no contact with others. No gas, no cuppa, no loo stop, nothing.

i had a friend die a couple of weeks ago, her sister came into nz and was in AK being good for a few days, my friend got worse so they let her come down to the wairarapa.
Deal was,two cars driven to auckland and back without stopping, she came back in one.
I asked my mate if it was both ways, tip, so he took shit loads of gas in the back of the hatchback thingy. We were at level two from memory. the sister came down and in good faith she was allowed to see her dying sister, she had gloves and a cheap mask on when I saw her.

It was a tough game, and she wore the protective gear, but how many in this situation actually do, it's not robust enough to stop shit happening simply.

If it's a funeral watch it on the internaughty, talk on the phone, don't come here and make more funerals.

[jasonu]

Flights to and from china (WHERE THIS ALL STARTED) resume next week. What could possibly go wrong..

[pete376403]

probably not, but he's the one whose been telling us how to do this and now comes out and says people will receive a test before being let out so it seems his system wasn't robust.

Systems only work when 1/ the system covers all possibilities and 2/ all people follow the system rules. If there are errors or omissions then people will find a way to exploit these. It's how lawyers make a living.

[pritch]

Various TV faces are saying, "They're making it up as they go."

They should be handed a suitably embarrassing prize for stating the obvious. We haven't had a world wide pandemic for over a hundred years so nobody who was around then is here now. Of course they are making it up as they go.

We may be forgiven though for hoping that the officials will be more on the ball than the twats responsible for this latest fuck up. Letting two people go without testing when one was showing symptoms is not acceptable.

[rustys]

They can go and get stuffed :motu: if they have another lock down, i just read this morning that they are letting an average of approx 1800 people a week across our boarders, 754 last week were kiwis being repatriated, but still, that is clearly stating that our boarders are not closed, Air New Zealand flights are still continuing to China, taking freight and Chineese people home and bringing back kiwis, where are they locking down all these people?
And this stupid Muller wanting to bring thousands of students in has to be the last straw. We are doomed letting these dumb fucks run our country.
Thats why i don't vote, how can i put my hand up honestly and vote for a bunch of lieing decitful corupt bunch of no hopers governing our country, promised they would take pay cuts, yeh right. :angry2::angry2:
The World is stuffed, glad i have lived the 60's 70s era. :woohoo::woohoo:

[release_the_bees]

Meh. Being back in the office sucks arse anyway. Level 3 was much better.My office has actually been sent home as a precaution (my company chose to do so rather than being required to). A family member of one of my co-workers was in contact with the affected persons (they lent them the car that they used to drive down to Wellington).

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[pritch]

My office has actually been sent home as a precaution (my company chose to do so rather than being required to). A family member of one of my co-workers was in contact with the affected persons (they lent them the car that they used to drive down to Wellington).


That seems eminently sensible in the circumstances. That car poses a serious risk.

[jellywrestler]

My office has actually been sent home as a precaution (my company chose to do so rather than being required to). A family member of one of my co-workers was in contact with the affected persons (they lent them the car that they used to drive down to Wellington).

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Why? surely they would stand two meters away and say the keys are in the car and that would ensure they're safe from anything?

[release_the_bees]

It's just my work being extra cautious until they've fully determined how much contact there actually was. We only went back to work on Monday, so we've pretty much been working from home for the past few months anyway. (We started working from home a week or so before the official lockdown started.) It is fine with me, as it saves the 60km commute.

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[pete376403]

Jacinda has given responsibility to Assistant chief of defence, Air Commodore Digby Webb, to oversee border facilities, including how travellers depart from them.

Shoot on sight?

[Murray]

My office has actually been sent home as a precaution (my company chose to do so rather than being required to). A family member of one of my co-workers was in contact with the affected persons (they lent them the car that they used to drive down to Wellington).

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So was it a car that could do Auck-Wgtn on one tank of gas??

[FJRider]

So was it a car that could do Auck-Wgtn on one tank of gas??

Or two women going that distance without a toilet stop .. :lol:

[Jeeper]

So was it a car that could do Auck-Wgtn on one tank of gas??I have done that trip from Wellington to Auckland on one tank without refueling. But I did have to stop for coffee, food and toilet/rest breaks. It's dangerous otherwise. Speed increase is directly related to the urge to use toilet increase, in my experience.

[Swoop]

Another complete clusterfuck from these retards "leadership" who declare our "borders are closed", that "checks are being done", etc, etc.
The isolation of new arrivals appears entirely voluntary, and there are no checks being done at the borders.

Oh, and the leader of the liarbour party still hasn't had a wage reduction (as she promised).

[jasonu]

A $243000 kids slide. Must be a fucking beaut!!!
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12340932

[pete376403]

Another complete clusterfuck from these retards "leadership" who declare our "borders are closed", that "checks are being done", etc, etc.
The isolation of new arrivals appears entirely voluntary, and there are no checks being done at the borders.

Oh, and the leader of the liarbour party still hasn't had a wage reduction (as she promised).

WRT the paycut - Renumeration Authority seems to be the bottleneck.

WRT the covid checks. The procedures were put in place. Someone neglected to follow the procedures. Do I hear you howling for the resignation of the minister for transport when someone crashes their car (or bike)? Same thing, the rules are in place, but someone far removed from leadership failed to follow those rules.

[TheDemonLord]

WRT the paycut - Renumeration Authority seems to be the bottleneck.

And I'm sure all the Politicians, in protest of the bottleneck, donated 20% of their paycheck to (insert cause here).

[pete376403]

And I'm sure all the Politicians, in protest of the bottleneck, donated 20% of their paycheck to (insert cause here).
If any did, I would take a guess which side of the house they sit.

[GazzaH]

It's not realistic to blame Bloomfield for the fuck up. If it keeps happening though, that'd be different.

It's not about blame, or him personally. It's about our government accepting accountability for their stuff-ups.

It's part of the contract that means we plebs continue to pay their wages and costs, and put up with all manner of krap, while they act on our behalf in our best interests.

The issue, here, is that there is an election looming, so anything that takes the shine off Those In Charge is careeer-limiting for all of them.

Worse still, there is no effective opposition to keep them on their toes, so it's down to us lot and the media.

[F5 Dave]

Cindy Lou days she doesn't want a witchhunt she wants the issue fixed. Winston wants vengeance. Finding someone to blame usually just gets people scrambling for cover and pointing fingers. Do that later if you must, but really just work on fixing the problem. We will, and have just had another import with infection. Let's keep them contained.

[GazzaH]

Looking forward a few months, the rest of the infected world will be busy getting back to normal, survivors travelling freely (perhaps) while we'll still be bravely defending our national bubble, still repelling boarders, spurning their tourist dollars. So we'd better get it right, otherwise this lockown malarkey has been a massive waste, a costly diversion.

Beyond that, unless there are effective drugs or vaccines, we're stuffed.

[F5 Dave]

So have you seen how low immunity is in Sweden? This isn't going away with natural herd immunity.

[Bonez]

It's not about blame, or him personally. It's about our government accepting accountability for their stuff-ups.

It's part of the contract that means we plebs continue to pay their wages and costs, and put up with all manner of krap, while they act on our behalf in our best interests.

The issue, here, is that there is an election looming, so anything that takes the shine off Those In Charge is careeer-limiting for all of them.

Worse still, there is no effective opposition to keep them on their toes, so it's down to us lot and the media.Fuck the media..

[Bonez]

Looking forward a few months, the rest of the infected world will be busy getting back to normal, survivors travelling freely (perhaps) while we'll still be bravely defending our national bubble, still repelling boarders, spurning their tourist dollars. So we'd better get it right, otherwise this lockown malarkey has been a massive waste, a costly diversion. .WOW!!! what an astute assertion which is total BS IMHO.

[GazzaH]

Yup ... so ... ? Whether natural or assisted by medical science, complete immunity to coronavirus is far from certain.

But we survived Spanish flu and the plague. We're not petrified of the common cold or ordinary flu or ebola. Viruses are nasty little buggers but immunology is clever stuff and science isn't all bad.

And anyway, it's not a matter of if we die, but when and how.

Meanwhile, twist that wrist.

[GazzaH]

WOW!!! what an astute assertion which is total BS IMHO.

Oh, OK.

Do enlighten me: how do you see this COVID thing playing out over the next few months?

[Laava]

Fuck the media..


WOW!!! what an astute assertion which is total BS IMHO.
Someones been overdosing on retard pills again!

[Bonez]

Someones been overdosing on retard pills again!Is that what you were subscribed?:motu:

[jellywrestler]

Looking forward a few months, the rest of the infected world will be busy getting back to normal, survivors travelling freely (perhaps) while we'll still be bravely defending our national bubble, still repelling boarders, spurning their tourist dollars. So we'd better get it right, otherwise this lockown malarkey has been a massive waste, a costly diversion.

Beyond that, unless there are effective drugs or vaccines, we're stuffed.

and what will we do once we've been vaccinated but have 100 thousand anti vaxers aming us, they will hold us to ransom, the government will not want them dying and we'll all be fucked

[pete376403]

and what will we do once we've been vaccinated but have 100 thousand anti vaxers aming us, they will hold us to ransom, the government will not want them dying and we'll all be fucked

The government may not WANT them dying but they may not have much say in the matter. Covid 19 so far hasn't shown any inclination to do as its told

[Bonez]

The government may not WANT them dying but they may not have much say in the matter. Covid 19 so far hasn't shown any inclination to do as its toldWell it was developed in a Canadian bio lab designed to be carried by young folk to severely effect elder people. Looks like it is working as designed.:eek5:

[StoneY]

Yup ... so ... ? Whether natural or assisted by medical science, complete immunity to coronavirus is far from certain.

But we survived Spanish flu and the plague. We're not petrified of the common cold or ordinary flu or ebola. Viruses are nasty little buggers but immunology is clever stuff and science isn't all bad.

And anyway, it's not a matter of if we die, but when and how.

Meanwhile, twist that wrist.

Ok, I'll bite.

My missus works for the pathology lab that processes the Covid-19 tests.

She's a fearless woman my girl (ask Jimmy Mair) she wouldn't blink in the face of a rabid rattlesnake standoff.

When the nurse came back from Africa with suspected Ebola I freaked, she said 'honey its nothing, you gotta be real fucking close swapping fluids to get that one.'
Measles, she was pissed at anti-vaxxers. 'Selfish c**ts' she said.

Then, when C-19 breached our borders, at the time we had 3 cases. I said 'It's just a bad flu, wtf is the panic for'

She looked at me, said 'babe this ones as bad as they get, it's more contagious than than bubonic plague, or flu, or even the common cold. It lives outside the host organism (that's you, me, or bats) for days, not seconds or minutes.... days. Humans have no immunity, in Wuhan recovered patients have re-infected, it is a killer like we have not had before. It's more contagious than any other disease on record. So lock the doors and shoot any strangers in the driveway.'

Now, you wanna argue with a pathology professional? Go ahead, I know better.

Spanish Flu - flu dies within 1 hour of leaving the host, so suck the sneeze to get it, close combat distance only.
Ebola, you need to be in contact with their body fluids, blood extracted ones at that.
Plaugue - need to get bitten by the carrying flea or share sneezes and fluids with a active case.
So to draw comparisons to those diseases is flawed and somewhat ignorant.

This one, lies in wait on some surfaces for days, can be spread airborne as well, carriers can be asymptomatic while infectious from 4-14 DAYS. Maybe longer, if you go symptomatic on day 13 for example....
I spent lock-down at the other end of the kitchen table from the person responsible for coordinating all the lab tests and sample movements in the greater Wellington region, I now consider myself edumacated on C-19 and I wish I wasn't.

And not all those who die have pre-existing conditions, it is true that a pre-existing condition is certainly not helpful but plenty of dead 20 year old's in UK and USA who were fit and healthy.
As for Ashley, well he makes the rules, its the dumb fucks a lot further down the chain of command who failed to dleiever.

Mother earth has had enough of us she sent that bat to the market, I swear. If this breaks loose in our general population, we're fucked.
Peace. (and wash ya fuckin hands)

[StoneY]

and what will we do once we've been vaccinated but have 100 thousand anti vaxers aming us, they will hold us to ransom, the government will not want them dying and we'll all be fucked

So deny them the vaccine and let Darwin decide who's right :D

[Katman]

We're not petrified of the common cold or ordinary flu or ebola.

Tell that to all those people who line up each year for their flu shots.

[F5 Dave]

Fuck the media..

I'm a bit selective. It must be consensual and only the pretty ones. Heck, while we are at it female would be on that list, if at all possible.

[pete376403]

Well it was developed in a Canadian bio lab designed to be carried by young folk to severely effect elder people. Looks like it is working as designed.:eek5:\

Obviously you are privy to information from a source that most of the government, scientific and medical community don't get. Not Fox News, is it?

[Bonez]

\

Obviously you are privy to information from a source that most of the government, scientific and medical community don't get. Not Fox News, is it?No you just don't listen to the news. Was mentioned months ago.

[pete376403]

No you just don't listen to the news. Was mentioned months ago.

If you are referring to this https://nationalpost.com/news/covid-19-pandemic-wuhan-institute-of-virology-ebola-national-microbiology-laboratory

then you would have also seen this, further down the article: "...there is no evidence whatsoever tying her or the Winnipeg lab to COVID-19, which American intelligence and science indicates is caused by a naturally occurring virus that likely originated in bats."

But as I wrote in another post, comprehension is obviously not one of you strong points.

[Murray]

Well it was developed in a Canadian bio lab designed to be carried by young folk to severely effect elder people. Looks like it is working as designed.:eek5:

Sorry but do you really believe this. If so I suggest you look for some medication somewhere or
actually just piss off!

[Katman]

Sorry but do you really believe this. If so I suggest you look for some medication somewhere or
actually just piss off!

Or maybe you could produce something that totally refutes the allegation.

[Swoop]

WRT the paycut - Renumeration Authority seems to be the bottleneck.

WRT the covid checks. The procedures were put in place. Someone neglected to follow the procedures.

If the leader of the labour party had any brains, with an election looming a wise person would have publicly stated that the bureaucracy was too slow & she had opened an account where $$'s were being placed until they could sort out their shit.

WRT the covid "procedures", you can have all you like, but humans will do stupid things... If we close a border to arrivals, then anyone who arrives needs to be put straight into monitored isolation. They managed to do it with the first repatriation arrivals going straight from the airport into a military camp.
After that it all fell on its arse when others arrived, were not even checked (I know several people who arrived and were NOT checked).

[Murray]

Or maybe you could produce something that totally refutes the allegation.

Or maybe you could produce something that totally proves the allegation

[eldog]

Is the world still flat?

i am sure it is mentioned in the news for years:wari:

[Bonez]

Is the world still flat?

i am sure it is mentioned in the news for years:wari:What a silly boy. Just look at the mountain ranges.:confused:

[Murray]

Various TV faces are saying, "They're making it up as they go."

They should be handed a suitably embarrassing prize for stating the obvious. We haven't had a world wide pandemic for over a hundred years so nobody who was around then is here now. Of course they are making it up as they go.

We may be forgiven though for hoping that the officials will be more on the ball than the twats responsible for this latest fuck up. Letting two people go without testing when one was showing symptoms is not acceptable.

Pandemic for over a hundred years?
https://www.csindy.com/coloradosprings/deadly-outbreaks-some-of-the-most-far-reaching-epidemics-of-the-last-100-years/Content?oid=21483981

check the aids figures and there were a large number of people not in the original fireline who died from this.

[Katman]

Or maybe you could produce something that totally proves the allegation

I'm not the one making the categoric statement that an allegation is false - without offering any proof that it is in fact false.

[Murray]

I'm not the one making the categoric statement that an allegation is false - without offering any proof that it is in fact false.

Quote Jan 2020 Posted by Katman

Life would be so much easier if you addressed questions with a simple answer.

Your the one who said Im wrong to dispute the claim prove it!!

[Katman]

Your the one who said Im wrong to dispute the claim prove it!!

I didn't say you're wrong to dispute the claim.

I asked if you could produce some irrefutable proof to show that the claim is wrong.

[eldog]

I'm not the one making the categoric statement that an allegation is false - without offering any proof that it is in fact false.

where did you get that quote?

[Katman]

where did you get that quote?

Have another read of post #48.

How else would you interpret it?

[eldog]

What a silly boy. Just look at the mountain ranges.:confused:

We dont really have mountain ranges here in the North Island

Must ride further......

[Bonez]

We dont really have mountain ranges here in the North Island

Must ride further......My point still stands darling.Of course Ruapehu or Egmont don't exist either. You can ride right over them.

I'll post some pics tomorrow of some lumpy bits you noffland riders only dream about but are available to me on a daily basis. :yes: That's if I remember to take a camera of course.

[eldog]

My point still stands darling.

not refuting your point.

I dont have enough information that I can rely on to prove either way or something in between.

We could argue forever and still not have an accurate answer.

Hearsay, chinese whispers (pun intended), whatever.
Remember the most revered organisation-at the time, stamped on anyone who thought the world wasn't flat
this went on for years. Much like writing and books - not in the common language of the people but on a select few.
Keep them ignorant and they will believe.

we should be looking at fixing what we have and get this sorted.
Prevention is better than cure.

I have wondered if Sweden has taken the right course - sure plenty of deaths, but will they recover the economy faster?

Our best insurance is that we are an island nation - should be easier to prevent a occurrence.

Maybe we should allow tourists back only if they take Cruise (Convict ones from Australia) ships back - that have a long sea voyage....



Interested in seeing those pics of you riding over those little hills

you will remember :whistle:

[Bonez]

not refuting your point.

I dont have enough information that I can rely on to prove either way or something in between.

We could argue forever and still not have an accurate answer.

Hearsay, chinese whispers (pun intended), whatever.
Remember the most revered organisation-at the time, stamped on anyone who thought the world wasn't flat
this went on for years. Much like writing and books - not in the common language of the people but on a select few.
Keep them ignorant and they will believe.

we should be looking at fixing what we have and get this sorted.
Prevention is better than cure.

I have wondered if Sweden has taken the right course - sure plenty of deaths, but will they recover the economy faster?

Our best insurance is that we are an island nation - should be easier to prevent a occurrence.

Maybe we should allow tourists back only if they take Cruise (Convict ones from Australia) ships back - that have a long sea voyage....



Interested in seeing those pics of you riding over those little hills

you will remember :whistle:This old age thing has a lot going for for it. :innocent:

[Bonez]

Quote Jan 2020 Posted by Katman

Life would be so much easier if you addressed questions with a simple answer.

Your the one who said Im wrong to dispute the claim prove it!!I love it when you two argue. I can book a room at the local if you like.,,,,It'll be all private like if you know what I mean.....:msn-wink:

[eldog]

This old age thing has a lot going for for it. :innocent:


your never too old to try something new

experience makes you wiser, than those young, dumb, .......

you get to do more for less



just remember to :scooter:

[Laava]

I love it when you two argue. I can book a room at the local if you like.,,,,It'll be all private like if you know what I mean.....:msn-wink:
Yeah right, like we don't all know you'll be hiding in the wardrobe, happy sock at the ready!

[Bonez]

Yeah right, like we don't all know you'll be hiding in the wardrobe, happy sock at the ready!Did the ignore function break deary? AWW look the poor thing deleted two quotes. Fuck you are a laugh a minute.

[Laava]

I'm surprised you're still here to be honest. Surely the Blue Oyster Club is open by now Boner?

[Bonez]

I'm surprised you're still here to be honest?Why is that luvy? You lot are my daily amusement. Now go and watch another Trump Rally. Seems to be a popular Bozos Inc pass time.

[sugilite]

If you are referring to this https://nationalpost.com/news/covid-19-pandemic-wuhan-institute-of-virology-ebola-national-microbiology-laboratory

then you would have also seen this, further down the article: "...there is no evidence whatsoever tying her or the Winnipeg lab to COVID-19, which American intelligence and science indicates is caused by a naturally occurring virus that likely originated in bats."

But as I wrote in another post, comprehension is obviously not one of you strong points.

Bonez is a Trump supporter, he does not do "facts".
Mentioned in passing makes it good enough for alternative facts :crazy:

[Laava]

Did the ignore function break deary? AWW look the poor thing deleted two quotes. Fuck you are a laugh a minute.
Is quite telling tho that you didn't deny it. That and all the little terms of endearment you trot out give you away big time. Does your wife know?e

[Bonez]

Is quite telling tho that you didn't deny it. That and all the little terms of endearment you trot out give you away big time. Does your wife know?eDream on luv. You must get out of your mummies basement more often and go for a ride.

[Laava]

Dream on luv. You must get out of your mummies basement more often and go for a ride.
Again, I'm not interested in you hitting on me. You should go hang out with that guy in the bolts and fastenings thread that also has spat the dummy.
Think you'll find you're not the only gay in the village!

[Katman]

Think you'll find you're not the only gay in the village!

Right on, cowboy.

[Bonez]

Right on, cowboy.And here I was thinking LAAVA was the indian -Quaking Feathers

[Laava]

And here I was thinking LAAVA was the indian -Quaking Feathers
You just went off didn't you? Say my name bitch, lol! Need a tissue?

[Bonez]

You just went off didn't you? Say my name bitch, lol! Need a tissue?I luv it when you talk dirty :baby:

[Laava]

I luv it when you talk dirty :baby:

You dirty dog!

[Bonez]

You dirty dog!Woof woof....

[GazzaH]

It's not about blame, or him personally. It's about our government accepting accountability for their stuff-ups.

It's part of the contract that means we plebs continue to pay their wages and costs, and put up with all manner of krap, while they act on our behalf in our best interests.

The issue, here, is that there is an election looming, so anything that takes the shine off Those In Charge is careeer-limiting for all of them.

Worse still, there is no effective opposition to keep them on their toes, so it's down to us lot and the media.

Well we got there in the end ... 'Unhelpful distraction': Health Minister David Clark resigns (https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12344904).