The FLOW

[ust2b]

For fucks sake! What the hell is the FLOW. Swear to God, I was just sitting watching some dumb TV shit and some sort of propaganda advertisement came on talking about the FLOW. Apparently that is where you have to be aware of the risks you are taking on a bike and knowing you are doing everything to avoid them. That sounds like a crock of shit to me. Back in the day, this "used to be" called being in the ZONE. Being in a space where you were at one with your ride and riding to your ability. Risks were taken with the full certainty you could ride them through. The risks were your own, and it was FUN! Fuck the fun Police...

[nzspokes]

Guess you have not had any training recently then....

[scumdog]

For fucks sake! What the hell is the FLOW. Swear to God, I was just sitting watching some dumb TV shit and some sort of propaganda advertisement came on talking about the FLOW. Apparently that is where you have to be aware of the risks you are taking on a bike and knowing you are doing everything to avoid them. That sounds like a crock of shit to me. Back in the day, this "used to be" called being in the ZONE. Being in a space where you were at one with your ride and riding to your ability. Risks were taken with the full certainty you could ride them through. The risks were your own, and it was FUN! Fuck the fun Police...

Enough ranting about that shit - get your post count sorted, it shows about one quarter of what you've actually posted, I wonder why?:crazy:

[Laava]

It's just the vibe of the thing, man!

[Bonez]

Just another stupid marketing thing..... :tugger: When I have a piss in the toilet I feel the FLOW.

[Bonez]

Guess you have not had any training recently then....Potty training?

[F5 Dave]

You've got to go with the FLUSH. Dont resist the FLOW, it is a result of the FLUSH. One day in a more civilised time, people will come to understand this and it may get taught in govt sanctioned reeducation centres.


You can guess where I'm sitting typing this.

[Bonez]

It's just the vibe of the thing, man!Most of us have Harley Furgason deary.:baby:

[tri boy]

Flo lived on my road. Cut up old horses with a chainsaw to feed her collie dogs. (she had scores of the nasty buggas).

[Berries]

I remember FLo.

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[FJRider]

... You can guess where I'm sitting typing this.

Did you leave the seat down as you were told ... :shifty:

[F5 Dave]

If I'm having a poo, why would I go to the extra effort to lift the seat after? Just to be spiteful? Seems like extra effort to piss off someone you love.

[F5 Dave]

Flo lived on my road. Cut up old horses with a chainsaw to feed her collie dogs. (she had scores of the nasty buggas).
They are nasty buggers from my limited experience. But cutting them up with a chainsaw seems horrifically abhorrent.

I mean I wanted to punch one of the fuckers after one of those dumb workdo horse trail expeditions. But that's going too far really.

I mean, unless you meant they were dead first:scratch:

[Laava]

So, here we are. Nobody has explained what this FLOW is. Can only assume that is is very unimportant. Can't be arsed researching it myself as it was not my post and no-one that has responded has been any the wiser. Ho-hum then...
As it seems to be an acronym, we should just feel free to make up our own?

[Laava]

Fucken look out wanker!

[Bonez]

Fucken look out wanker!
You really neef to stop looking at yourelf in the mirror!.

[F5 Dave]

Fucken look out wanker!
Hmm, cant see the rep button today for some reason but that made me larf:laugh:

[sidecar bob]

So, here we are. Nobody has explained what this FLOW is. Can only assume that is is very unimportant. Can't be arsed researching it myself as it was not my post and no-one that has responded has been any the wiser. Ho-hum then...
As it seems to be an acronym, we should just feel free to make up our own?

It sounds fuckin gay to me.

[Bonez]

It sounds fuckin gay to me.I think it stands for Fuck Little Old William so you could well be right with that conclusion.:msn-wink:

[Bonez]

Hmm, cant see the rep button today for some reason but that made me larf:laugh:I think someone repored him for member abuse because he con not stop abusing his member.:rolleyes:

[nzspokes]

It sounds fuckin gay to me.You probably need some training.

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[sidecar bob]

You probably need some training.

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Yeah, because 40 years constant riding without an injury or insurance claim isint quite good enough.
I need to take advice from someone that's got a certificate.

[TheDemonLord]

Isn't the Flow something my Wife gets about every 28 days?

[sidecar bob]

Isn't the Flow something my Wife gets about every 28 days?

Young whipper snapper:msn-wink:

[Laava]

You really neef to stop looking at yourelf in the mirror!.
Are you scooby doo? Neef! Yourelf! Roh-oh!

[Bonez]

Yeah, because 40 years constant riding without an injury or insurance claim isint quite good enough.
I need to take advice from someone that's got a certificate.I can print one off ig you like then everyone can take advise from to you Bob.:innocent:

[Bonez]

Are you scooby doo? Neef! Yourelf! Roh-oh!I can be what ever you want me to be luvy.

[F5 Dave]

Yeah, because 40 years constant riding without an injury or insurance claim isint quite good enough.
I need to take advice from someone that's got a certificate.

I think ( I hope) he was being funny suggesting that you might need some fucking gay training. :love:

[Laava]

I think ( I hope) he was being funny suggesting that you might need some fucking gay training. :love:
Bonez will teach him!:wings:

[MD]

FLOW is a secret media journo codeword for motorcyclists. Derived from ancient Latin orig.: Fucking Lowlifes On Wheels

If you didn't know that you sure aren't woke, or cool or groovy or hip. Personally I will stick with being in the zone.

[sidecar bob]

I can print one off ig you like then everyone can take advise from to you Bob.:innocent:

I don't give advice on riding, because the smart don't need it and the stupid don't heed it.
Plus, how do you give advice to a noob that has a 300 with ABS? That's a no consequence for ineptitude situation.

[Bonez]

I don't give advice on riding, because the smart don't need it and the stupid don't heed it.
Plus, how do you give advice to a noob that has a 300 with ABS? That's a no consequence for ineptitude situation.
Speaking of noobs. While doing the test ride yesterday to test out the rear tyre repai r some noob on a small capacity sprot bike who I saw about 600mtrs behind me in my RH rear view mirror while stopped on the left verge of an intersextion had some sort of spaz while turning right down Valley Road. Obviously doesn't know what a stationary m/c parked well left on a verge of the road with rare stoplight on. Was going to follow him and ruin his on the FX but decided not to as his day had obviously already turned to shit.:confused:

[nzspokes]

I need to take advice from someone that's got a certificate.

Sounds like it, its the old folk that need the most training. :lol:

[Bonez]

Sounds like it, its the old folk that need the most training. :lol:See my last post.

[caspernz]

I don't give advice on riding, because the smart don't need it and the stupid don't heed it.
Plus, how do you give advice to a noob that has a 300 with ABS? That's a no consequence for ineptitude situation.

If you're a lifelong rider, and plenty of us are, the plight of the noob is a tad foreign to us.

The problems for the noob that has a 300 with ABS go like this:

1. Can't steer bike around a corner
2. Terrified to look where they want to go
3. What do you mean this lever on right handlebar works the front brake
4. Not using anywhere near enough of that front brake to stop in a hurry

Oh, and some of us have the certificates to offer advice, but your reference to the smart and the stupid is on point for sure.

[sidecar bob]

Sounds like it, its the old folk that need the most training. :lol:

So what sets this "expert"above me? apart from said bit of paper and the need for employment.

[TheDemonLord]

So what sets this "expert"above me? apart from said bit of paper and the need for employment.

I think you are riding the instructor a little hard (Pun fully intended).

Everytime I've done any form of Course - whether it be Riding, IT or whatever, I invariably learn 'something' - could be small, could be big - but usually there is something.

If you were to observe each-others riding, I'm sure there are differences that you each would observe and be able to offer advice as to why doing it way X is better than way Y.

As an example - I ride with 2 fingers covering the brake at all times, The speed of reaction has IMO helped me avoid unexpected situations - whereas I believe BanditBandit swears by never doing this and that if he needs to brake, he uses all 4 fingers so he can get the maximum leverage on the brake lever.

With all Safety advise - there are some things that are demonstrably unsafe, some things that are demonstrably safe and some things that exist in the murky grey area where it really comes down to personal preference.

TL;DR - both of you stop trying to piss higher on the fence.

[nzspokes]

So what sets this "expert"above me? apart from said bit of paper and the need for employment.

The training they went through to get that bit of paper.


I think you are riding the instructor a little hard (Pun fully intended).

Everytime I've done any form of Course - whether it be Riding, IT or whatever, I invariably learn 'something' - could be small, could be big - but usually there is something.

If you were to observe each-others riding, I'm sure there are differences that you each would observe and be able to offer advice as to why doing it way X is better than way Y.

As an example - I ride with 2 fingers covering the brake at all times, The speed of reaction has IMO helped me avoid unexpected situations - whereas I believe BanditBandit swears by never doing this and that if he needs to brake, he uses all 4 fingers so he can get the maximum leverage on the brake lever.

With all Safety advise - there are some things that are demonstrably unsafe, some things that are demonstrably safe and some things that exist in the murky grey area where it really comes down to personal preference.

TL;DR - both of you stop trying to piss higher on the fence.

Eggzakerly. Some will accept training and some will not. Ive not had any form of training in which I have not learnt something.

As a generalization, Ive found the old goats more likely to push back and not accept new concepts.

[Laava]

The training they went through to get that bit of paper.



Eggzakerly. Some will accept training and some will not. Ive not had any form of training in which I have not learnt something.

As a generalization, Ive found the old goats more likely to push back and not accept new concepts.
But after all your superiority, you still have not actually, nor anyone else, told us what FLOW is? Do you know and are willing to share? Or just being smugly righteous, Karen styles?

[Berries]

Obviously doesn't know what a stationary m/c parked well left on a verge of the road with rare stoplight on.
Piss poor parking by the sound of it.

[FJRider]

The training they went through to get that bit of paper.

Where did the "Trainers" get their training ... ???

Sounds like the "Chicken and egg" scenario. Which came first ... the trainers ... or the bit of paper ... ??? <_<

[Bonez]

Where did the "Trainers" get their training ... ???

Sounds like the "Chicken and egg" scenario. Which came first ... the trainers ... or the bit of paper ... ??? <_<And the Trainers of those Trainers who taught the Trainers to train.....to produce that certificate.:Oops:

[Bonez]

If you're a lifelong rider, and plenty of us are, the plight of the noob is a tad foreign to us.

The problems for the noob that has a 300 with ABS go like this:

1. Can't steer bike around a corner
2. Terrified to look where they want to go
3. What do you mean this lever on right handlebar works the front brake
4. Not using anywhere near enough of that front brake to stop in a hurry

Oh, and some of us have the certificates to offer advice, but your reference to the smart and the stupid is on point for sure.Something an experienced rider cannot teach them on?

[sidecar bob]

I think you are riding the instructor a little hard (Pun fully intended).

Everytime I've done any form of Course - whether it be Riding, IT or whatever, I invariably learn 'something' - could be small, could be big - but usually there is something.

If you were to observe each-others riding, I'm sure there are differences that you each would observe and be able to offer advice as to why doing it way X is better than way Y.

As an example - I ride with 2 fingers covering the brake at all times, The speed of reaction has IMO helped me avoid unexpected situations - whereas I believe BanditBandit swears by never doing this and that if he needs to brake, he uses all 4 fingers so he can get the maximum leverage on the brake lever.

With all Safety advise - there are some things that are demonstrably unsafe, some things that are demonstrably safe and some things that exist in the murky grey area where it really comes down to personal preference.

TL;DR - both of you stop trying to piss higher on the fence.

I'm glad they have those courses, it demonstrates some real initiative from the govt on the subject, and I'm pleased people are getting value from it.
I have sat through a Ride Forever lecture, and all I keep thinking is, "I can't fuckin believe people need telling this shit" human survival instinct has been bred out of recent generations.
Finger over the brake, I thought everyone did that without being told. Try a 850 twist & go in heavy traffic, it's both hands over both brakes.
Fair enough, I'm an old goat, and when I see the vacuous faces at a ride forever nodding sagely about things I've taken for granted for decades, I'm quite glad I'm not a young goat.
Having said that, I've attended the aviation equivalent of a ride forever course, a pursuit I took up more than three decades after motorcycling chose me, and in that environment I'm one of those vacuous noobs that's absorbing every detail like my life depends upon it.

[FJRider]

Having said that, I've attended the aviation equivalent of a ride forever course, a pursuit I took up more than three decades after motorcycling chose me, and in that environment I'm one of those vacuous noobs that's absorbing every detail like my life depends upon it.

In either pursuit ... Your life does depend on any one of those little "details" ... :corn:

I have known a few riders that were (in their own words) "Too good a rider to crash" ... but did anyway. Go figure ... <_<

[Bonez]

Whemn I ride I try to use as little braking as possible. Pick the right amount of revs and right gear I can use the engine as part of rthe slowing up process. This usual relates to lower speed but you less likely to great into a panic situation if going balls to the wall and relying soully on your front break to haul you up. The figures on the front break varies depending on the situation. Gravel roads and slick tarmic its a no no for me, in city traffic a definite yipsireebob. As I've said before formal lessons are only part of the learning process and only about 20% of it sinks in. It's not until you get put in to real life situations and gain experience in those situations reactions start to be more automatic.

[roogazza]

I don't think I have any pics of my racing days without a finger on the clutch. Whether that's from two strokes I don't know ?
Lots have a finger hovering over the front brake as well.

Like Sidebob, 56 yrs of riding has lots of info in the head, probably have heard it all ?
But even now I'm still talking to myself and practicing as many as I can. :yes:

[sidecar bob]

I don't think I have any pics of my racing days without a finger on the clutch. Whether that's from two strokes I don't know ?
Lots have a finger hovering over the front brake as well.

Like Sidebob, 56 yrs of riding has lots of info in the head, probably have heard it all ?
But even now I'm still talking to myself and practicing as many as I can. :yes:

There seems to be this attitude that if you dont feel the need to do training that you must be some kind of smart arse thats cruising for a spill.
Ive been training constantly, road racing, dirt, touring, sidecar racing, commuting since before i left school.
If there were operational or safety aspects of motorcycling i was still struggling to grasp id be front & centre of any training i could get myself to.
Currently i dont feel that would be a profitable use of my time, that may change as years advance.

[F5 Dave]

In a previous life I spent many weekends helping with courses so I could have taken the course myself but, well I never got the piece of paper. Racing overtook my interest.

I do remember the mixed range of skills and attitudes that arrived. The best part we taught was roadcraft which tried to instill experience in condenced form to help them survive the learning process. What we couldn't help with is the male approach to risk and ego. Females often made good students. Generally if they were young enough to believe in themselves.

Typical MX guy would just blitz the rest of the class with skill. But shit they did some dumb arse stuff on the road rides. A lot of them took away nothing except the piece of paper they had come for.

I left before I became too cynical but I can understand some of the comments from trainers as they kinda see riders like cops see the public. Potential criminals.

Pity, I thought the Fucking gay training line was comic. . .

[Bonez]

In a previous life I spent many weekends helping with courses so I could have taken the course myself but, well I never got the piece of paper. .We should thank the Flying Spaghetti Monster for that!

[sidecar bob]

In a previous life I spent many weekends helping with courses so I could have taken the course myself but, well I never got the piece of paper. Racing overtook my interest.

I do remember the mixed range of skills and attitudes that arrived. The best part we taught was roadcraft which tried to instill experience in condenced form to help them survive the learning process. What we couldn't help with is the male approach to risk and ego. Females often made good students. Generally if they were young enough to believe in themselves.

Typical MX guy would just blitz the rest of the class with skill. But shit they did some dumb arse stuff on the road rides. A lot of them took away nothing except the piece of paper they had come for.

I left before I became too cynical but I can understand some of the comments from trainers as they kinda see riders like cops see the public. Potential criminals.

Pity, I thought the Fucking gay training line was comic. . .

It was fuckin gay, not fucking gay, which are two different things.;)
I bought a Katana 1100 shortly after I turned 18, if I'd had a huge ego then I'd have been dead for many years by now like a few guys I knew back then.
On another note, I'd say that around 80% of bikes I did warrants on had a handling flaw that suggested the owner had absolutely no idea what a motorcycle should actually feel like to ride.
Usually it was 12psi in the front tyre, or notchy steering head bearings.
On one occasion I had a Cagiva Raptor that had been assembled out of parts, using a triple tree that had a smaller bottom bearing than the original.
The whole weight of the steering was resting on the bottom seal & it required extreme force to steer & weaved in a straight line.
He had been using it like that for months, and was a bit affronted that I failed it on a WOF.
It said as much about his abilities & what felt right and wrong to him, as it did about his mechanical skills. Hi Jeff.

[Bonez]

I bought a Katana 1100 shortly after I turned 18, if I'd had a huge ego then I'd have been dead for many years by now like a few guys I knew back then.
I took the opposite approach Steve. My first m/c was a second hand Honda '77 CJ250. It served me well for 12 months. Traveling between Hobsonville and Havelock North just about every other weekend. Yes folk you can ride out side of the city limits and do around a 400km ride on a 250cc 4-stroke twin too much bother.:bleh: Plenty of puff indeed to take ones bottem out sde city limits. After around 12,000kms I traded it for a brand new CB400T, about the same weight and proportions but with more power. Christchurch, across the ferry, on up to Havelock North during leave was a piece of piss on it. Basically a days riding. Loved every minute of riding on those to bikes.:msn-wink:and learnt a lot more than you would in a 3 day formal teaching environment. Had a host of new an used bikes after that. I found I enjoyed trashing the smaller capacity machines more than the larger ones:Punk:.

[Bonez]

At one time KB had a rider mentor arrangement. I guess that has gone well to the way side these days?

Now we just have folk posting "you need training" all the time.:eek5:

[F5 Dave]

Well I bow in honour at you manlyness SCB. I was a full year older before I bought the girls 750 Kat. But it was the SZ. Ot was about my 5th bike [counts, cough] 7th. Also had an X7 for thrashing.

The RD350 with 250 stickers and oversized tyres was dreadful at bike 3 after a couple of trailies. The humble GSX250 after taught me more as it actually went around corners.