Warning, bike for sale

[zylon]

moderators please move if needed.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/honda/listing/2694398269

This CBR1000rr for sale should not be on the road, it was crashed on a dave moss suspension tuning ride a while ago. The rider was unlicensed ( no insurance), and the the bike was high sided into a fence strainer. Under normal circumstances this would be a write off, only fit for parts.But because the rider was unlicensed and therefore no insurance, the bike was rebuilt by the owner, and placed for sale on tardme.Just warning any unwary buyers that this bike should not be on the road due to safety concerns.

[Katman]

Under normal circumstances this would be a write off, only fit for parts.

I would suggest that the majority of motorcycle insurance write-offs are due to the cost of repairing cosmetic damage.

Unless you know for certain that there is structural damage that hasn't been repaired, you should probably mind your own business.

The customer has been quite open about the accident and even included a photo of the scrape on the swing-arm.

[tigertim20]

SO you personally inspected the bike post incident, and have the requisite certifications to conclude structural, or other damage that would render the bike unsafe?

Were you present during the repair process to oversee methods of repair?

Have you gone over the bike in detail in its current state in fine enough detail to state clearly what components are 'unsafe' and why they are unsafe?

You seem to be pretty invested, sinse youve now posted about it in another thread, and started a whole new thread just to bang on about it.


So since youve stated how its so unsafe etc, I assume you have some specifics to share?

[FJRider]

This CBR1000rr for sale should not be on the road, it was crashed on a dave moss suspension tuning ride a while ago. The rider was unlicensed ( no insurance), and the the bike was high sided into a fence strainer. Under normal circumstances this would be a write off, only fit for parts.But because the rider was unlicensed and therefore no insurance, the bike was rebuilt by the owner, and placed for sale on tardme.Just warning any unwary buyers that this bike should not be on the road due to safety concerns.

1. The Bike passed a WOF and will be sold with 3 months rego.

2. The bike was not insured so it can't be declared "Written off".

3. A vehicle on Trademe that has in the description as of being involved in an accident, that should ring warning bells in the head of a prospective buyer. Thus the onus is on the prospective buyer to ensure the vehicle is "Fit for purpose".

4. As Katman has stated, insurance policy is usually for a maximum of 50% to 60% cost (of the vehicles value) to repair or replace with new parts.

Often with (insured vehicles, motorcycles especially) the best option is of buying back the vehicle from the insurance coy, and doing the repairs themselves. Using second hand parts and no tradesman charge-out labour costs or overheads, is often the logical (and as in this case, maybe the only) choice for an economical result.

5. You can put questions to the seller, that is pertinent to the quality of the repairs done. Have you ???

[zylon]

Ive got no vested interest in this bike, just warning someone about a potential safety hazzard due to possible unseen structural damage.Ive seen photos taken at the crash scene , maybe the seller has photos post crash to show any potential buyers.

[FJRider]

Ive got no vested interest in this bike, just warning someone about a potential safety hazzard due to possible unseen structural damage.Ive seen photos taken at the crash scene , maybe the seller has photos post crash to show any potential buyers.

If there were any ... would the seller say it was involved in an accident ???

In my experience they don't.

Have you commented in the questions yet ??

[Katman]

But on a slightly different note, at least you'll fit right in with the other dickheads on the Optimistic Sellers thread in their quest to fuck up other people's auctions.

[Bonez]

But on a slightly different note, you'll fit right in with the other dickheads on the Optimistic Sellers thread in their quest to fuck up other people's auctions.
With incorrect or misleading info at times I might add.:oi-grr:

[F5 Dave]

Yeah that's what we live for.

If only there was some way to post disparaging comments on a website that was not entirely unconnected to Tardme. Maybe actually on Tardme.

Is there anyway to do that Cartman? I mean, if that is what we were trying to do.

Kunthead. (You said dickhead so don't go crying).

[tigertim20]

Ive got no vested interest in this bike, just warning someone about a potential safety hazzard due to possible unseen structural damage.Ive seen photos taken at the crash scene , maybe the seller has photos post crash to show any potential buyers.

So, wait,

Youve started this thread not on the basis of having even been there at the incident, but on the third hand information passed to you by another party?

for fuck sakes

[SaferRides]

That is an interesting situation and I wasn't aware it could happen. I would always be wary of a newish bike that wasn't original. At least the seller has said it was in an accident.

I expect most people would steer well clear of it once they read the description.

[Bonez]

That is an interesting situation and I wasn't aware it could happen. I would always be wary of a newish bike that wasn't original. At least the seller has said it was in an accident.

I expect most people would steer well clear of it once they read the description.The only way to really find out what it is like is to actually physically view it and ride it. Everything else is supposition. I've had a few bikes that have been in "incidents" and they've all been fine to ride.

[Macka2]

So, wait,

Youve started this thread not on the basis of having even been there at the incident, but on the third hand information passed to you by another party?

for fuck sakes
okay i will add first thanks for discussing a particular problem facing all bike owners buying a used bike and whats it worth if you find out after you buy it that its actually not in good a shape as you would have hope for i dont know of any guys who are motorcycle repair specialists i do know a lot of guys who stand around in circles can install on slipons and talk dyno tunes bla bla bla and all of a sudden convince them selves they are brilliant and explain on the web if someone crashes their bike and does it up it must be perfect cause that person obviously has experience in a trade in mechanics i personaly have bought a bike and i enquired if nit had been dpwn the owner said it had been dropped but just required the fairing to be touched up and clutch cover to be replaced "no problem in my experience" after a month i did my fork service and found had bent forks at the tripple clamp that was 10mm shorter in wheel base and had been through wof, the owner had fixed it up himself he denied it had been in a accident in the 10 years he owned it
i have personalty have written off a bike due to a high side with stress fractures to the engine casing where the mounting bolts go through and a crack in the underneath of the frame it was perfect to ride and apart from a little handle bar and side fairing, it was sold through insurance if i didnt have insurance i could have the frame welded it would never have been picked up buy anyone buying the bike and sold it as having a just a few parts replaced these things are hard to pick up but as a engineer i knew what to look for and when i got the bike home i thoroughly inspected the frame and engine for cracks high sides can be overlooked and STAY AWAY FROM BUYING A BIKE FROM SOME DUDE WHO REPAIRS THEIR OWN CRASHES

[F5 Dave]

Well I could only skim that.

Try hit the return button and form paragraphs.

[Bonez]

STAY AWAY FROM BUYING A BIKE FROM SOME DUDE WHO REPAIRS THEIR OWN CRASHES[/B]Now that is a generalized load of crap. :facepalm: I had bikes "repaired" by reputable dealerships through insurance claims and had to fix there so called repairs.:innocent:

[Racing Dave]

Well I could only skim that.

Try hit the return button and form paragraphs.

...and use full stops and capital letters to make sentences...

[TheDemonLord]

STAY AWAY FROM BUYING A BIKE FROM SOME DUDE WHO REPAIRS THEIR OWN CRASHES

Well, this is your classic Caveat Emptor.

Depends on who is the 'Some Dude who repairs their own crashes', There are some people here who have demonstrated engineering and mechanical skills (whilst not being in the Motor Industry) who I'd consider buying a bike from that they had repaired, owing to my perception of their skills.

Other people (myself included in this group) I wouldn't touch with a ten-foot barge pole.

And whilst I generally agree with the sentiment that trusting someone else's work (without additional proof of workmanship) is a risky strategy, as the saying goes: You pay your money, you take your choice.

[Bonez]

okay i will add first thanks for discussing a particular problem facing all bike owners buying a used bike and whats it worth if you find out after you buy it that its actually not in good a shape as you would have hope for i dont know of any guys who are motorcycle repair specialists i do know a lot of guys who stand around in circles can install on slipons and talk dyno tunes bla bla bla and all of a sudden convince them selves they are brilliant and explain on the web if someone crashes their bike and does it up it must be perfect cause that person obviously has experience in a trade in mechanics i personaly have bought a bike and i enquired if nit had been dpwn the owner said it had been dropped but just required the fairing to be touched up and clutch cover to be replaced "no problem in my experience" after a month i did my fork service and found had bent forks at the tripple clamp that was 10mm shorter in wheel base and had been through wof, the owner had fixed it up himself he denied it had been in a accident in the 10 years he owned it
i have personalty have written off a bike due to a high side with stress fractures to the engine casing where the mounting bolts go through and a crack in the underneath of the frame it was perfect to ride and apart from a little handle bar and side fairing, it was sold through insurance if i didnt have insurance i could have the frame welded it would never have been picked up buy anyone buying the bike and sold it as having a just a few parts replaced these things are hard to pick up but as a engineer i knew what to look for and when i got the bike home i thoroughly inspected the frame and engine for cracks high sides can be overlooked and STAY AWAY FROM BUYING A BIKE FROM SOME DUDE WHO REPAIRS THEIR OWN CRASHESWhat type of engineer are you? Bent forks, if not creased. can be straightened using a hydraulic press, V blocks and DTI. The casing cracks can be easily sorted as well by a competent engineer such as Colin Wheeler of Two Wheels engineering here in Palmy. Fairing damage/cracks are easily fixed with a soldering iron and tyraps. If you need to fix a missing piece use a spare piece of ABS plastic and/or bog to sort it out.

To me it looks like you didn't inspect the bike thoroughly prior to purchase or the bent forks would have been a dead giveaway. I am NOT an Engineer of any sort btw but have worked around aircraft for a large part of my life.

Below is a pic of the repaired and painted lower cowling on my XF650. I just put on the SUZUKI decals 10 minutes ago. It had 6 clacks in it from a fall by the previous owner. Now I am no panel beater but it shows what can be done by an owner if they put their mind to it. $80 in paint and consumables plus my time. That side took a while to get right the other side only took 3hrs. First time i've refurbed a panel of that size with so many compound curves. Not bad for a 60 year old bloke if I do say so myself.

[F5 Dave]

Gawd. Every part is a different colour. You need some blue to cover the full spectrum.
It's like the Honda stylist from the 90s moved to Soozooky.

[Bonez]

Gawd. Every part is a different colour. You need some blue to cover the full spectrum.
It's like the Honda stylist from the 90s moved to Soozooky.Well I like it and that is all that really matters Mr F5 Dave. I can guess what the F stands for and rhyms with ruck wit.:wings:

Congratulations, you just qualified as a member of Bozos Inc.

[Katman]

Gawd. Every part is a different colour. You need some blue to cover the full spectrum.
It's like the Honda stylist from the 90s moved to Soozooky.

Imagine the fun you could have if he was trying to sell it.

[Bonez]

Imagine the fun you could have if he was trying to sell it.Mr eliptoid sent me a very nice rep remark stating something like "this is the internet you beep beep".:lol: I'll let you all guess what the beep beeps are :) Not very bright for a ginga It's obvious his tassels got too tight and cut of blood circulation to his brain.

Who woulda thought you can have this much fun in your old age?

[F5 Dave]

Yes. Let's make fun of someone as they look slightly different from us.

Makes you feel big and clever. Never left the school ground huh?

Some of us grew up.

[speedpro]

Some of us grew up.

Names and a brief history or it never happened

[Bonez]

Names and a brief history or it never happenedI second that motion.:whistle: Being a ginga myself.

F5 Dave you criticize other riders rides. Show us yours so we can do the same will you thanks. Ore are you that much of a coward?

Sunday is your riding day by all accounts so a good opportunity for you to take some pics.

[F5 Dave]

I didn't actually criticize it. I was poking fun, but it was not intended to be nasty. More playful banter.

And Mike. A gentleman never tells :innocent:.

[Bonez]

I didn't actually criticize it. I was poking fun, but it was not intended to be nasty. More playful banter.

And Mike. A gentleman never tells :innocent:.Look up the definition of criticize.:motu:

[F5 Dave]

About this time you would call someone Snowflake. So can give it, but crys when the wind merely changes.

[Bonez]

About this time you would call someone Snowflake. So can give it, but crys when the wind merely changes.If you insist you snowflake.

Or would you prefer to be called Tinker Bell?

[Macka2]

What type of engineer are you? Bent forks, if not creased. can be straightened using a hydraulic press, V blocks and DTI. The casing cracks can be easily sorted as well by a competent engineer such as Colin Wheeler of Two Wheels engineering here in Palmy. Fairing damage/cracks are easily fixed with a soldering iron and tyraps. If you need to fix a missing piece use a spare piece of ABS plastic and/or bog to sort it out.

To me it looks like you didn't inspect the bike thoroughly prior to purchase or the bent forks would have been a dead giveaway. I am NOT an Engineer of any sort btw but have worked around aircraft for a large part of my life.

Below is a pic of the repaired and painted lower cowling on my XF650. I just put on the SUZUKI decals 10 minutes ago. It had 6 clacks in it from a fall by the previous owner. Now I am no panel beater but it shows what can be done by an owner if they put their mind to it. $80 in paint and consumables plus my time. That side took a while to get right the other side only took 3hrs. First time i've refurbed a panel of that size with so many compound curves. Not bad for a 60 year old bloke if I do say so myself.

your knowledge around modern forks seems very inept they are ultra light, thin and very high tensile with low friction coatings so if you want to go ahead and tell people use fixed up bent ones go ahead and advertise yourself as a dickhead