Bike beats car test -another car mag learns the truth!

[MD]

Browsing the magazine stand as you do and not one to ever give a damn about car mags but one caught my eye.
Road & Track SPEED was the mag and they tested a standard ZX6R and standard Corvette 6 litre against a fully race modified skyline and slighly modified ZX10- they called it performance modified with a muffler and suspension changes only. yeah right that's all they do to superbikes. That's a 6000cc car against a 600 cc bike - well alright it was a 636, big difference.
Anyway the results upset the poor car enthusiasts.
They admitted the bikes power to weight :apumpin: would always win the sprints but were shocked by how much and that both bikes cleaned up in lap times around some twisty yank track.
What made my day was that the 636 won the 0-60mph over the zx10 :done: . Lets not bother even looking at the piss poor car quarter mile times. Ok well the 10 almost halved the cars time and the 636 was about a second behind that.
The 10 beats the 6 past 60mph in the 0-100mph runs. And why wouldn't it.
Yanks are so anally retentive with analysis stats and graphs for this that and all sorts of crap data. They had GPS devices on the bikes helmets and worked out that the rider shaved 190 ft off the circuit length by carving tighter turns and get this - by leaning he was hanging his head off the edge of the sealed track! thereby shorting the track. I think they were trying to say this was cheating until they discovered the Skyline also hung a wheel off the track in the inside of some turns. Cheating bastards in cars.
Not enough to get me to waste my money on a car mag though.

[Phenoix]

haha, clock up another for bikes

[Storm]

And thanks to you, none of us have too :D Well done that man

[ducatilover]

muahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaa[evil kawasaki fan laugh]

bikes rule......lucky for them it wasnt a gixxa :dodge:

[myvice]

So the moral of the story...
If you want a break, get a Kuick Kwak!


And I'm on a Suzuki? Where's my loyalty? At least I dont drive!
(unless forced by Mexican gunmen)

[ducatilover]

So the moral of the story...
If you want a break, get a Kuick Kwak!


And I'm on a Suzuki? Where's my loyalty? At least I dont drive!
(unless forced by Mexican gunmen)
bloody mexican gun men......dont worry i 'ride' or attempt to ride a suzuki, and am about to commit sacrelege and by a honda :dodge: :devil2:

[jimbo600]

That's cool man. Good to see you have a 636 again. You change bikes more often than an Italian swaps sides during a war mate.

[madboy]

Sounds like both of those bikes had a bit more ZING than the cars...

Not having caught up with you in a while MD, is there a story re: the 636 back to Blade back to 636 fit for publication? Or does this prove I'm too lazy to search?

[NordieBoy]

They had GPS devices on the bikes helmets and worked out that the rider shaved 190 ft off the circuit length by carving tighter turns and get this - by leaning he was hanging his head off the edge of the sealed track! thereby shorting the track. I think they were trying to say this was cheating until they discovered the Skyline also hung a wheel off the track in the inside of some turns. Cheating bastards in cars.
Ummm....
All that means is that the riders head did 190 ft less per lap.
His wheels on the other hand probably didn't go off the edge of the track whereas the Skyline's ones did.

:D

[Toast]

Wooo, everyone's favourite topic...

What sorta track was it? Heaps of long sweepers? Tight turns accelerating on to straights? Heaps of chicanes, switchbacks? Or what?

[Motu]

When I see a bike holding any outright record against a car I might believe you.I wonder why Rossi wants to do F1? Perhaps he knows they are a shit load faster than any bike?

[NordieBoy]

When I see a bike holding any outright record against a car I might believe you.I wonder why Rossi wants to do F1? Perhaps he knows they are a shit load faster than any bike?
Because he wants a new challenge as he's done everything in MotoGP?
Other than racing a 250 aginst the 990's.


Hmmmmm.....

[k14]

MOTOR (auzzie mag) ran a test of a stock K5 gixxer vs a porsche turbo at a track in auzzie a few months back. Was quite surprised to see the bike beat the car by a few tenths around there too. They also had a v8 supercar driver driving the turbo but only had a bike mag reporter riding the gixxer, so I'd say if they had a proper bike racer then it would have been even a bit faster. Still will never be able to contend with fully tricked out cars but its closer than most people tend to think.

[Motu]

. Still will never be able to contend with fully tricked out cars but its closer than most people tend to think.

MotoGP compared to F1? Top Fuel drag bike and Top Fuel rail? WRC car and ??? No way Sonny.

[Toast]

When I see a bike holding any outright record against a car I might believe you.I wonder why Rossi wants to do F1? Perhaps he knows they are a shit load faster than any bike?

Ofcourse cars are going to be quicker than bikes when money's no object...pure grip from big contact patches, the awesome braking taht comes with that, downforce, still extremely light, etc....but the cool thing is that these are the bikes we can all ride fucking over the cars most will only dream of...

[Mental Trousers]

So I guess it would be a bad thing to invade the magazines forums and make fun of the cage drivers ..... :dodge:

[MD]

That's cool man. Good to see you have a 636 again. You change bikes more often than an Italian swaps sides during a war mate.
Now I will have to get an Italian bike so I can ride off to war

Not having caught up with you in a while MD, is there a story re: the 636 back to Blade back to 636 fit for publication? Or does this prove I'm too lazy to search?
War & Peace would be shorter but here goes. had Blade for over a year so felt like a change. Rode 636 demo bike, fell for it's lightness and fun factor-quick steering, even better braking than Blade and wheelies heaps easier.
Wanted a green one, none due for 5 weeks and the Shop were not interested to trade down Blade so I stuck it on Trademe and got some quick nibbles. All was looking promising then a green 636 arrives a week later. Not wanting to miss out I took it thinking no prob the Blade willl go in a matter of weeks. Well it didn't after 4 months so I put the 636 up for sale and Murphy's luck it sold. Mr Murphy is enjoying it right now.
Told the shop I was not happy with outcome and blow me away they really came to the party giving me what I wanted for the Blade and threw in all sorts of goodies to cheer me up and sent me on my happy way on a new red 636. Red is faster ya know and looks even better to me than the green. Finished running it in - fourth bike in 2 years, last night. Its so much fun and wheelies like a dream. Doubt I will risk thrashing it this weekend at the track. Not that that's stopped me before but might be in Tauranga. Will give the November sprints a go for sure.
Now back to the car thrashing topic
Oh yeah time for picture in red

[Motu]

Ofcourse cars are going to be quicker than bikes when money's no object...pure grip from big contact patches, the awesome braking taht comes with that, downforce, still extremely light, etc....but the cool thing is that these are the bikes we can all ride fucking over the cars most will only dream of...

MotoGP has less restrictions than F1,and they are STILL slower than the car.Rossi rides a bike you can only dream of - but Rossi still dreams of driving a car...F1 or WRC is where he wants to go.Bikes are slow.

[texmo]

out of the box bikes are faster than car and alwase will be on the road, bikes can pass traffic where cars cant, they also have the accelleration on the straights that cars cant even begin to dream of, but a bike on the circut will never beat a F1 car. But at the end of the day its not how long it takes but how you get there that counts...

[Motu]

But at the end of the day its not how long it takes but how you get there that counts...

Wrapped in luxury,listening to a perfect stereo system....and a scantily clad young lady you can reach out and fondle...at 270kph...hmmm,that performance car still sounds good to me....

[Toast]

MotoGP has less restrictions than F1,and they are STILL slower than the car.Rossi rides a bike you can only dream of - but Rossi still dreams of driving a car...F1 or WRC is where he wants to go.Bikes are slow.

F1 may have more restrictions to hold them all to a more specific design...but point is, the concept of a car with 4 wheels on the ground has more potential to put down power, shift weight and generate more speed...but at a price, in $$$.

Repeating myself...cars at the top-level will always be quicker than bikes...but that's not the point here.

[avgas]

MotoGP has less restrictions than F1,and they are STILL slower than the car.Rossi rides a bike you can only dream of - but Rossi still dreams of driving a car...F1 or WRC is where he wants to go.Bikes are slow.
Budgets are 1/20th of that in F1 for the best teams in moto.
Basically i consider them about even - cos if you compare top fuel drag cars to bikes then the time are similar.
Lets see a bucket race demo-derby car - that would be close too i think.

[avgas]

Wrapped in luxury,listening to a perfect stereo system....and a scantily clad young lady you can reach out and fondle...at 270kph...hmmm,that performance car still sounds good to me....

got a spare $400,000 ;)
for another half a mil you can get the car too ;)

[Motu]

A lot of fucking gutless excuses - but still the FACT is....a bike will never be as fast as a car,just imagine how fast a F1 car would be if they could build it as fast as they liked,MotoGP can practicaly do that now.

Why don't you just enjoy the thrill of your bikes instead of getting into some stupid ego trip about how your bike is so much faster than X car?

[pritch]

Wrapped in luxury,listening to a perfect stereo system....and a scantily clad young lady you can reach out and fondle...at 270kph...hmmm,that performance car still sounds good to me....

Ahh you do make it sound appealing...

As has been pointed out before though, the ceramic brake option on the Porshe in the Oz test cost more that the entire GSXR.

Big difference between $20,000 and $250,000 or whatever.

One of the appeals of bikes for me is that most people can buy something that they may consider to be "the best bike in the world" whatever that is for them personally.

Very few people can aspire to own any car that might be rated the best in the world.

[Big Dave]

a bike will never be as fast as a car,


Bullshit. You can have any car you like - F1, whatever - and i'll even use my staid old Thunderbird.
And I'll race you from Remuera to the City at 4pm on Friday afternoon.

See ya sucka.

[James Deuce]

F1 may have more restrictions to hold them all to a more specific design...but point is, the concept of a car with 4 wheels on the ground has more potential to put down power, shift weight and generate more speed...but at a price, in $$$.

Mechanical grip is not where the major advantage lies. Aerodymanics is the ultimate decider in the bike vs car performance advantage.

[**R1**]

MotoGP compared to F1? Top Fuel drag bike and Top Fuel rail? WRC car and ??? No way Sonny.And bang for ya buck??? the performance ya get from a cheap bike compared to a car hahahaha no comparison...How much would you have to spend on a car to out perform a $22,000 sports bike?

[Motu]

Bullshit. You can have any car you like - F1, whatever - and i'll even use my staid old Thunderbird.
And I'll race you from Remuera to the City at 4pm on Friday afternoon.

See ya sucka.

Right! Application! I'll also take on any 4x4 on a trials bike...but I won't take it on in chest high mud.

And for you guys spouting off about money as an excuse - it just goes to show that car racing,of any kind,is the premier level of motorsport.

I love bikes for the performance aspect too - my ''girls bike'' DT230 is a blast and I know it will stick with a Skyline turbo to 140kph,when he chickened out,not bad for a little girls bike.I'll take on any comers in a car on gravel,you won't see me for dust - but if Colin McCray turns up in a WRC car,it doesn't matter what I ride,or how much money I put into it - games over.

[k14]

And bang for ya buck??? the performance ya get from a cheap bike compared to a car hahahaha no comparison...How much would you have to spend on a car to out perform a $22,000 sports bike?
I heard the other day that mclarens and renaults joint budgets for this year was just over $700 million usd. Now thats alot of k5 gixxer thous.

[**R1**]

I heard the other day that mclarens and renaults joint budgets for this year was just over $700 million usd. Now thats alot of k5 gixxer thous.The other things is balls, any nim rod can fang a fast car around quite quick...even I can, and I dont even drive fukal, but put some mince head car driver on a K5thou and tell him to give it fist fulls of gas around a track Hahaha dont think so.

[Motu]

I heard the other day that mclarens and renaults joint budgets for this year was just over $700 million usd. Now thats alot of k5 gixxer thous.

So If Yamaha and Honda combined budgets and were alowd to spend $700 million,could they beat an F1 car? No,they can't...so money is NOT the issue,it's just that CARS ARE FASTER!!

[**R1**]

So If Yamaha and Honda combined budgets and were alowd to spend $700 million,could they beat an F1 car? No,they can't...so money is NOT the issue,it's just that CARS ARE FASTER!!F1 aint cars, they more resemble a space shuttle than they do cars, they do have 4 wheels tho, ill give u that..and to my way of thnking when comparing the 2 id compare what normal people can buy...good luck buying an F1 farrari! but if you like next year you can go buy an M1.

[k14]

So If Yamaha and Honda combined budgets and were alowd to spend $700 million,could they beat an F1 car? No,they can't...so money is NOT the issue,it's just that CARS ARE FASTER!!
In my original post I was just listing an example of a test where a bike was faster than a car. I know they are faster and when i picked up the magazine i was expecting the porsche turbo to shit all over the bike. I was very surprised that the bike beat the porsche. I know that in general that cars are faster than bikes but was just trying to illustrate that whilst the top (f1) cars shit on teh top (motogp) bikes that a road superbike is capable of beating a relatively good car. A porsche turbo isn't that slow a car and I'm sure that i wasn't the only one surprised that the bike beat the car.

[Motu]

F1 aint cars, they more resemble a space shuttle than they do cars, they do have 4 wheels tho, ill give u that..and to my way of thnking when comparing the 2 id compare what normal people can buy...good luck buying an F1 farrari! but if you like next year you can go buy an M1.

But the guy who can afford to buy the McLaren/Mercedes road car isn't going to buy an R1,and if he did it'd just be to put in the garage line up.We buy bikes for the performance...cars are bought for different reasons - apples and shampoo.

[SimJen]

In my original post I was just listing an example of a test where a bike was faster than a car. I know they are faster and when i picked up the magazine i was expecting the porsche turbo to shit all over the bike. I was very surprised that the bike beat the porsche. I know that in general that cars are faster than bikes but was just trying to illustrate that whilst the top (f1) cars shit on teh top (motogp) bikes that a road superbike is capable of beating a relatively good car. A porsche turbo isn't that slow a car and I'm sure that i wasn't the only one surprised that the bike beat the car.

Exactly, in general terms (ie not including F1 cars and purpose made stuff) a big bore bike will be faster than a car. In a straight line they can be about the same with some top Supercars doing 3.2+secs 0-60mph ......and depending on the track then often the bike can beat the Supercars.
Main point is the cost difference and skill involved.
Trouble is most cars are deceptively easy to drive fast close to the limit especially with all the latest driver aids...whereas not many people can ride a bike at 10/10ths
Its great that you can buy a modern superbike for $20,000 and beat cars worth $1,000,000 :) or at the very least keep up with them (assuming you can ride well that is) :doctor:

[speights_bud]

You wanna try loggin onto www.oldschool.co.nz and telling them that their cages are nothing in performance to bikes, that bikes are more fun and generally 'better' i found it very amusing the responses they had to my few comments. Good bit of entertainment put together alongside some of their other members.

[Mental Trousers]

Why don't you just enjoy the thrill of your bikes instead of getting into some stupid ego trip about how your bike is so much faster than X car?

I'm sure the sky is falling, I'm inclined to agree with Motu :doh:

[Lou Girardin]

[QUOTE=MD] . Lets not bother even looking at the piss poor car quarter mile times. Ok well the 10 almost halved the cars time and the 636 was about a second behind that.
[QUOTE]

The ZX10 did 6 - 7 second quarters?
That's one fast bike.

O - 60 times are misleading when comparing bikes and cars. Most 600 to 1200 sports bikes of are in the 2.8 to 3.2 sec range. It has nothing to do with power or traction, more to do with resisting looping it. Check out bikes 0 - 100 mph times, no production car comes close. The only quicker cars are dedicated drag cars or open wheel racers.
But ultimately cars are faster and quicker.

[SimJen]

The ZX10 did 6 - 7 second quarters?
That's one fast bike.


It definately wasn't stock then!!!
Most Superbikes are doing low 10's with the odd very high 9.

[F5 Dave]

. . .
Lets see a bucket race demo-derby car - that would be close too i think.

I’d take on an F1 car around Kaitoke on my 50cc bucket & I’d piss on his fat arse. . . Then he’d probably launch a protest, go to court [yawn], what a bore.

‘Course a gokart would make me look silly, :whistle: but I’d still maintain I’m having more fun.

[Motu]

I was 2 secs faster around our dirt track on a bike than the car lap record,corse they weren't going to have a bike lap record were they? But it was a shit load of fun in a car - you could spin out,hit the bank or wall,fly off into the infield and slam into another car,what a hoot.Twas scary shit on a bike,but I prefered to ride a bike out there anyway.

[Big Dave]

.cars are bought for different reasons - apples and shampoo.

yeah? well I once saw apple scented shampoo - so there. Ha I win.

[Big Dave]

any nim rod can fang a fast car around quite quick.

lol - but i reckon it's one word - 'Nimrod'?

[Bartman10]

Wrapped in luxury,listening to a perfect stereo system....and a scantily clad young lady you can reach out and fondle...at 270kph...hmmm,that performance car still sounds good to me....


Cars are slow and expensive. Recently someone pulled 300 kph at the sprints on a gixxer. I can gaurantee there isn't a road regesterd car that can do 300 kph that cost less than 30 grand brand new.

I can also gaurantee that I'll kick your arse when you're driving down the wellington motorway in rush hour traffic on friday night in your cage. And that's when it counts.

:Pokey: :Pokey:

[Ixion]

lol - but i reckon it's one word - 'Nimrod'?

Yes, and it's not an insult. Nimrod, the mighty hunter.

[Lou Girardin]

I just sold a helmet to a guy with a modded Honda S2000 for track days. We got to talking about bikes, when I told him what litre bikes can do his eyes got wide and he realised that his quick little half-cage ain't really that quick.

[Motu]

I can also gaurantee that I'll kick your arse when you're driving down the wellington motorway in rush hour traffic on friday night in your cage. And that's when it counts.

:Pokey: :Pokey:

Ahem - you wanna try it? you really wanna try it? I'll kill you - literaly!

[Big Dave]

Yes, and it's not an insult. Nimrod, the mighty hunter.

Not in the 'Pulp Fiction' context it ain't - but that's a whole 'nuther debate eh.

[motobob]

Ha Ha Is this where the small peckers club guys hang out. Gotta go with Motu for once. Why do young guys think they can out ride people in cool cars. Don't they realise most drivers don't give a fuck how fast your bike is. And most chicks as well. But for the price of a Gixxer thou you sure aren,t going to find a car capable of beating it. The best cars are going to beat the best bikes period. But don't let me stop you beating grandad in his car when you come up against him. :apumpin:

Good one Motu.

[kro]

I sort of agree about the whole thing with F1 cars not really being cars as such. You cant honestly get a street legal version of a true F1 car, sure people like Mclaren and Ferrari have fast road cars, but they cost as much as a 5 bedroom house in the posh districts, and still aren't true F1's anyway.

I guess as was said earlier, if you want 300kph in a car, you spend 350 thou or more, but for a bike, its a Gix thou, for a whole shitload less (24ish??).

It's always fun to read stuff like this, but then again, I spose I'm not a true biker anymore, seeing as I like cars and bikes.

:whistle:

[Toast]

Not only does a thread about this argument come about every month or so that's exactly the same as the last one...but the same arguments repeat in nearly every page of the bloody thread...

[MD]

Not only does a thread about this argument come about every month or so that's exactly the same as the last one...but the same arguments repeat in nearly every page of the bloody thread...
Well excuse me if we are boring you. I for one find car vs bike comparisons interesting especially their choices of vehicles - a hotted jappo and big block yank tank.
Sorry to hear some nasty sod tied you to your chair in front of your PC and forced you to read through all 50 odd posts in this thread with a title that you were not interest in reading about.
Hope you get free soon.

[jimbo600]

Well excuse me if we are boring you. I for one find car vs bike comparisons interesting especially their choices of vehicles - a hotted jappo and big block yank tank.
Sorry to hear some nasty sod tied you to your chair in front of your PC and forced you to read through all 50 odd posts in this thread with a title that you were not interest in reading about.
Hope you get free soon.

Right on MD. I'm interested in bike v car comparisons. I regularly come across evo's wrx's etc on Thur night rides. Got a mate who has a trick WRX too. Almost every time I have come up against a hot car I have given it the learn. The only time I have had difficulty passng a car was a XR6 turbo over Paekakariki hill and this guy was gettin pretty out of shape. Yeah sure there's the F1 side of things but hey on the real road with real guys and girls piloting these things I'd have to say that bikes beat cars without doubt, and that go's for 600cc bikes too.

Know some guys in the clubsport club too and they are amazed at bike 0-100 and standing 1/4 times and they have 300+kw clubbies.

[myvice]

WHO FUCKING CARES?
Can’t lean a car over!
I’ve driven the $$$$$$ Euro/Jap sport cars and have had to take them for long test drives, and they are a whole lot of fun, but don’t compare to two wheels.
I'd have nothing against a Lotus Excige or better yet a McLaren F1 sitting in the shed, but I must have a bike to keep my sanity!
You might as well compare plains to helicopters! They both fly? Both use fuel? So aren’t they the same thing? Two different animals!
Even on a dark cold night in the middle of a storm I will be happier on a bike than in a car...
But others want music, conversation, heat and the lack of cold rain down their neck! (Assuming there not in a English soft top) and will spend the cash on there dream.
And you can modify a car over and above anything you can do to a bike, for some that’s what it’s all about. (Friend just spent $4k on suspension)
Cars still suck tho...
:argh: :whocares: :calm: :done:

[Toast]

Well excuse me if we are boring you. I for one find car vs bike comparisons interesting especially their choices of vehicles - a hotted jappo and big block yank tank.
Sorry to hear some nasty sod tied you to your chair in front of your PC and forced you to read through all 50 odd posts in this thread with a title that you were not interest in reading about.
Hope you get free soon.

I find them really interesting too, the actualy comparisons...just recently decided that arguing over their results seems to bring nothing but the same arguments...hence I've decided to stay out of them from now on :spudwave: Enjoy yourselves though :) :sunny:

[gav]

Actually the Aussie car mag who K14 refers wanted a rematch, so they hired Warren Luff (who partnered Marcose Ambrose at Bathurst) and gave him some hotter Porche to drive, with 600hp and costing $500,000. They then arranged for Shannon Johnson (Aussie Superbike racer) to race against him on a STANDARD 2005 R1, even had road tyres. The race was held at one of the V8/Superbike meets in Aus, and shock horror, the bike won!! :niceone: The car mag guys were absolutely gutted :devil2:

[Motu]

My bike cleans up a Lada 2104 like a cat licking a plate - but the Lada costs 1/4 the price of my bike...so,um...the Lada is better than my bike?? I think I'll stick to the bike,even though it's much more sophisticated.

An F1 car doesn't resemble a modern car because it's development in the extreme,everything to taken to the absolute limits - then they make more rules to limit development...they cheat,more rules.Imagine how far bikes would of developed if they could spend the money that has been spent in F1? Imagine how crappy your bike would be if Honda and Yamaha didn't spend time developing motors in F1? Careful what you scorn,you might find you are laughing at yourself.

[Bartman10]

Ahem - you wanna try it? you really wanna try it? I'll kill you - literaly!

Typical attitude of cage driving wanna be bikers. You drive a 4X4 right? Thought so. Out to kill bikers deliberately. Why don't you go and find another website to spout your shit on.

I'll take you on in your cage. Wellington Airport to the BP at the second set of lights at paraparam. SH1 the whole way next Friday. I'll put $50 bucks on it.

Not keen Motu? Pussy.

[Dadpole]

Typical attitude of cage driving wanna be bikers. You drive a 4X4 right? Thought so. Out to kill bikers deliberately. Why don't you go and find another website to spout your shit on.

I'll take you on in your cage. Wellington Airport to the BP at the second set of lights at paraparam. SH1 the whole way next Friday. I'll put $50 bucks on it.

Not keen Motu? Pussy.

Motu. I can start at the BP and head to the Airport in my 4X4 van and we can make a Bartman10 sandwich. Go halves on the $50?

[Motu]

Typical attitude of cage driving wanna be bikers. You drive a 4X4 right? Thought so. Out to kill bikers deliberately. Why don't you go and find another website to spout your shit on.

I'll take you on in your cage. Wellington Airport to the BP at the second set of lights at paraparam. SH1 the whole way next Friday. I'll put $50 bucks on it.

Not keen Motu? Pussy.

Arrogance has no place on a bike,leads to a short,or painful life.I hope you don't react this way on the road....

[Mental Trousers]

Ariel Atoms are road legal I believe. One of those against an R1 or K5 would be interesting. Irrelevant to anything, but interesting.

[cowpoos]

got a spare $400,000 ;)
for another half a mil you can get the car too ;)

you don't need that much$$$$ to get a 270kmph car....30-40k should surfice

[cowpoos]

Right on MD. I'm interested in bike v car comparisons. I regularly come across evo's wrx's etc on Thur night rides. Got a mate who has a trick WRX too. Almost every time I have come up against a hot car I have given it the learn. The only time I have had difficulty passng a car was a XR6 turbo over Paekakariki hill and this guy was gettin pretty out of shape. Yeah sure there's the F1 side of things but hey on the real road with real guys and girls piloting these things I'd have to say that bikes beat cars without doubt, and that go's for 600cc bikes too.

Know some guys in the clubsport club too and they are amazed at bike 0-100 and standing 1/4 times and they have 300+kw clubbies.

got to remeber guys....that average road bike rider isn't really that fast

Different pilots can achive different results on bikes and or cars...I drive a 2000 rsb4 legacy...[prefer me bike thou]..and I happily carve up shit loads of bikes on the rimitakas...but then there are faster riders...and they pass me and buggar off...

there are some quik riders and drivers...and some quik cars and bikes...who cares...we love biking....other people like cars....other people like running...
It doesn't matter.................. :niceone:

[inlinefour]

The only surprise there is that the car mag is actually being honest :niceone: