Suzuki GSF1250 Bandit Cam Chain Tensioner?

[Kiwi Bandit]

My bike has developed a rattle, loud tapping, when starting from cold. Goes away when warm. Recorded noise on my phone and took to local Suzuki dealer just before the Auckland Level 3 lock-down. Mechanic said it was the Cam Chain Tensioner, no parts available in NZ and 3 to 4 months delivery at the moment from Japan - Bugger!! I am an essential worker and normally use my bike to commute 100km/day. I've tried some Suzuki dealers in Australia, they have the part but won't ship to NZ.
Two questions:
1. Any ideas on how to get the part faster? I've phoned a few dealers in NZ hoping they may have one on the shelf but no luck so far.
2. I know there is a risk running the bike, but am I better giving it a short run once a week or so to keep it in running order, or just leave it in the garage for 3-4 months without running it at all until I can get the part in from overseas.
Any practical advice appreciated. It's a 2008 model. I bought it 3 1/2 years ago with 11,000km on the clock, it's now done 52,000km and been serviced regularly. Love the bike.

[nzspokes]

Dont run it. If it skips a tooth or 2 it could be new motor time.

Google manual timing chain tensioners. Maybe something local but getting from offshore should be quick enough.

I would also be asking at wreckers for a used one. Plenty on TM at wreckers. Bit of a bodge but could keep it going.

The 1250 is a tank of a motor and Ive not heard of a young one needing a tensioner.

[mulletman]

My bike has developed a rattle, loud tapping, when starting from cold. Goes away when warm. Recorded noise on my phone and took to local Suzuki dealer just before the Auckland Level 3 lock-down. Mechanic said it was the Cam Chain Tensioner, no parts available in NZ and 3 to 4 months delivery at the moment from Japan - Bugger!! I am an essential worker and normally use my bike to commute 100km/day. I've tried some Suzuki dealers in Australia, they have the part but won't ship to NZ.
Two questions:
1. Any ideas on how to get the part faster? I've phoned a few dealers in NZ hoping they may have one on the shelf but no luck so far.
2. I know there is a risk running the bike, but am I better giving it a short run once a week or so to keep it in running order, or just leave it in the garage for 3-4 months without running it at all until I can get the part in from overseas.
Any practical advice appreciated. It's a 2008 model. I bought it 3 1/2 years ago with 11,000km on the clock, it's now done 52,000km and been serviced regularly. Love the bike.

Do you know someone in Aus who could receive the part for you and they send it over.

[Bonez]

I would've imagined the tentioner was on a wide range of models in typical Suzuki fashion. 3-4 weeks delivery from Japan just doesn't seem right. As well as Aus sourcing from the US is probably option using DHL or UPS priority shipping.. Should have it in a week.

[Hoonicorn]

is this the first winter you've run that bike? Maybe the oil is a bit thicker in the cold until the engine heats up a bit.

[Bonez]

is this the first winter you've run that bike? Maybe the oil is a bit thicker in the cold until the engine heats up a bit.I suspect the Op has had it for rhree winters so far.:facepalm:

[pete376403]

Ebay is lousy with cam chain tensioners - lots of manual adjustment one ranging from about $40 through to one APE one where the vendor is asking over $1300! If you want something urgently you could get Fedex or DHL to bring it over within a few days, but it will sit at Auckland for at least a week after that. Or, a long bolt and locknut, and a tap to thread through the existing tensioner (pr a used one from trademe) and you could make your own

[Bonez]

If you want something urgently you could get Fedex or DHL to bring it over within a few days, but it will sit at Auckland for at least a week after that. Not on my recent imports. Or Connies for that matter. Wouldn't use FedEx as it is a 1/4- 1/3 dearer than DHL and doesn't offer any better service. This is from 5 years experience of shipping aircraft components around the planet.

[roogazza]

just read this, bandit done 50kms ........ they're pretty bullet proof....

I'd be running it and try another mechanic !!!!!

[pritch]

I'd be running it and try another mechanic !!!!!

I'll second that motion. Don't mention the diagnosis you have already, just ask him what he thinks. If you get the same answer, buy the part from Ebay asap.

[Bonez]

just read this, bandit done 50kms ........ they're pretty bullet proof....

You forgot three zeros.:blink:

But yes the OP should get a second opion from a another Suzuki mechanic.

[Katman]

The tensioner is a spring loaded ratchet type.

As the chain stretches this type of tensioner can sometimes find itself in a position where it wants to click over to the next notch but doesn't have quite enough slack in the chain for the spring pressure to achieve it.

It will eventually achieve it by itself but if you want to hurry the process along, sticking a little screwdriver in the end and pushing it onto the next notch can sometimes help.

[Kiwi Bandit]

Thanks guys for all your advice, much appreciated.

I will get a second opinion and if it's the tensioner I will try and get one from Aus. The local Suzuki dealer when I spoke to them just before the Level 3 lockdown said it would be 2 - 3 months out of Japan, Coleman's Suzuki when I phoned them said 3-4 months out of Japan as they are only shipping by boat. This is going to become a significant issue for all sorts of machinery and equipment in NZ going forward. I used to work for an electronics company a couple of decades ago and they tried to keep limited products on the shelf and worked on just in time delivery from overseas. NZ needs to become more self sufficient.

Just a question with the rattling noise; it goes away when the engine has warmed up which would suggest that the chain slack is not a problem with a warm engine or am I wrong with this assumption? When I phoned the mechanic back after watching a few Youtube videos which suggested the tensioner could be sticking and I asked if removing it and cleaning fix the problem. He said it is unlikely as the engine oil keeps it clean and I just need to get a new one.

[SaferRides]

I agree with Katman. (Did I really write that?) My ZZR1200 had a mechanical tensioner and did something similar once. It should come right, but if not replace it. If the noise goes away when the engine is warm, it is very unlikely that the chain would skip a tooth.

You should be able to get a new tensioner from the US in 1-2 weeks. Partzilla are good, but I don't know about their shipping post-Covid.

[Kiwi Bandit]

I agree with Katman. (Did I really write that?) My ZZR1200 had a mechanical tensioner and did something similar once. It should come right, but if not replace it. If the noise goes away when the engine is warm, it is very unlikely that the chain would skip a tooth.

You should be able to get a new tensioner from the US in 1-2 weeks. Partzilla are good, but I don't know about their shipping post-Covid.

Many thanks Katman and SaferRides. I took your advice and went for a ride and it did come right. I was fairly confident to ride it once fully warmed up as the noise went away once warm. Sounds completely normal now when starting from cold. A friend suggested taking it up to higher rev and then let engine braking slow the bike down. I took it to 7000rpm in 2nd gear and let it slow down with engine braking a couple of times and it's good as gold now. The tensioner must have just been sticking.

[Bonez]

Many thanks Katman and SaferRides. I took your advice and went for a ride and it did come right. I was fairly confident to ride it once fully warmed up as the noise went away once warm. Sounds completely normal now when starting from cold. A friend suggested taking it up to higher rev and then let engine braking slow the bike down. I took it to 7000rpm in 2nd gear and let it slow down with engine braking a couple of times and it's good as gold now. The tensioner must have just been sticking.Well done Kiwi Bandit. Those Suzuki motors are literally bullent proof and have had the best cam chain tensioner set up since the release of the GS750.

[Katman]

I agree with Katman. (Did I really write that?)

Don't worry - you'll get used to it.

[Banditbandit]

just read this, bandit done 50kms ........ they're pretty bullet proof....

I'd be running it and try another mechanic !!!!!

Yeah - I had 97thou ks on my 1250 when I chucked it in front of an SUV - and cam chain tensioner was never a problem ...

In fact I never had any engine problems at all .. just regular maintenance .

[FJRider]

Don't worry - you'll get used to it.

You must be astounded by your own level of modesty ... :mellow:






Your humility needs work though ... <_<

[Katman]

You must be astounded by your own level of modesty ... :mellow:

No, that's not what I'm astounded by.

[Hoonicorn]

I suspect the Op has had it for rhree winters so far.:facepalm:

Missed that bit, anyway mine was a leading question, as the OP said the engine quietened at warmer temps it could have been an automatic CCT and with the cold winter temps the oil might be thick for a while. If that were the case, he could loosen the top and bottom bolt and listen if it clicked to the next notch. If it is a manual APE CCT would the noise disappear when the engine heats up?