Trump - 4 more years of this at least...

[pritch]

So Trump sends a mob to break into the Capitol, and while that's going on, Giuliani is calling Republican senators to get them to object to election results!

It's not hard to see why some Republican politicians have gone off Trump.



That was several days ago. Since then I've heard lawyers in the US discussing the call and they felt it would be evidence of conspiracy.

The Senator Tuberville that Rudy thought he was ringing is new and when asked recently, he couldn't even name the three parts of government in the US.
He was a previously school football coach but not one who enjoyed notable success. He is white though and in Alabama that's enough.

Here's the call.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJIeB8h3AMM

[pritch]

I do like this guy's style.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhduqQu3_Dw

[husaberg]

Seth Myers
Ted Cruz looks like an alcoholic werewolf that got caught halfway between the transformations.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ5HL4mjo4AYWq-7yebuzko_8uBIGpChiH83Q&usqp=CAU

The republicans will be caught in a pickle.
If they don't get rid of trump they will lose next time
If they dump him he might run as an independent and take away vote from them next election and subsequent ones until he dies.
If they want to win elections in the future they can only impeach him, then do the vote to prevent him from ever running for any public office again it needs the 2/3 senate to impeach him but only the majority to prevent him ever running for office again.

[neels]

348303
and some words

[HenryDorsetCase]

the only reason I want him impeached is so he cannot run again. Also losing Secret Service detail and the pension are icing on the cake.

I am loving how butt hurt people are about the whole "but muh free speach" thing. Uh, its the internet. Ain't nothing free.

[pritch]

the only reason I want him impeached is so he cannot run again. Also losing Secret Service detail and the pension are icing on the cake.

I am loving how butt hurt people are about the whole "but muh free speach" thing. Uh, its the internet. Ain't nothing free.

Virtually all Americans understand that the right to free speech is contained in the First Amendment to the Constitution. Very few understand what the Amendment actually says.

[R650R]

the only reason I want him impeached is so he cannot run again. Also losing Secret Service detail and the pension are icing on the cake.

I am loving how butt hurt people are about the whole "but muh free speach" thing. Uh, its the internet. Ain't nothing free.

Wouldn't it be great though to see a bankrupt fake news liar lose again, I mean who would vote for him????

Btw the secret service detail post presidency is not about "protecting" the president. It's so the deep state can monitor their Comms and who they meet with so no secrets get out.
If anyone was gonna take out trump would have happened long ago, he was a man who happily walked among the people if you look at his rallies, the huge numbers making proper security implausible.

I think Trump will decline the detail anyway, it will be to restrictive on his business dealings

[mashman]

Most judges in the U.S. election saw the evidence presented as not enough to give the remedy requested. The judges that did see the evidence presented as being evidence enough of voter fraud, were simply outvoted. Enough evidence was found to show voter fraud according to some caught judges... just not most of them. Now then, put your mask on, because some of the judges (medical professionals) are saying that it's useful... ignore those who say otherwise, in fact deride them with everything in your arse n all.

[pritch]

I think Trump will decline the detail anyway, it will be to restrictive on his business dealings

Trump applied for, and was granted, security before he was entitled to it. He was given a security detail and they accompanied him throughout the 2016 election campaign. When he was elected he presented the Government with a bill for a million dollars for having the security detail on his private jet.

Since he was elected he has reportedly charged the government over a million dollars for golf cart use by his security detail. He has (over)charged for their accommodation at Mar a Largo and his other golf courses. He reportedly charges the tax payer for a whole floor for security in one of his towers. He's not going to let all of that go. Unless he's impeached...

[pritch]

Lovely little clip on Twitter. One of the insurgents who was inside the Capitol building turned uo at the airport to fly home but was informed that he was now on the "No fly" list. He is distraught and crying to every one about being listed as a terrorist.

What was it they said when Trump won? "Fuck your feelings!"

[R650R]

Trump applied for, and was granted, security before he was entitled to it. He was given a security detail and they accompanied him throughout the 2016 election campaign. When he was elected he presented the Government with a bill for a million dollars for having the security detail on his private jet.

Since he was elected he has reportedly charged the government over a million dollars for golf cart use by his security detail. He has (over)charged for their accommodation at Mar a Largo and his other golf courses. He reportedly charges the tax payer for a whole floor for security in one of his towers. He's not going to let all of that go. Unless he's impeached...

Well he must be allowed to do it or dems would be all over that... With Hillary lurking in the background I’d be having that security at that time too lest you end up propping up a motorway bridge in Akansaw

[nerrrd]

Well he must be allowed to do it or dems would be all over that... With Hillary lurking in the background I’d be having that security at that time too lest you end up propping up a motorway bridge in Akansaw

That spelling of Arkansas reminded me of something, just to lighten the mood...

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/02/super-bowl-trump-kansas-110446

[pritch]

Well he must be allowed to do it or dems would be all over that...

It was a special arrangement. Normally only the official R and D presidential and VP candidates get security. While there were still multiple R candidates one of Trump's angry tweets got an angry response, so he asked for protection. We now know it wasn't about protection, it was about the million dollars.

Other than that various reporters and politicians have continually been all over his excessive charges. Some of which are currently under investigation.

[sugilite]

Apple and Google banned the parler app and aws is kicking them off their network at midnight. Those right wing conspiracy types heads must be exploding :laugh:

[PrincessBandit]

Still seems that he's the Teflon Don. With everything this ugly man has wrought, all "his people" he's thrown under the bus (including his own VP), the cries of "not enough time to bring him to justice", "impeachment or 25th Amendment won't achieve anything", "Biden's team doesn't want the extra sideshow of dealing with impeachment at the start of his administration", "either option is a gift to Trump's base by making him a martyr for his cause" blah blah blah blah blah. People are demanding that this awful awful man is held accountable, but it looks likely that yet again he'll get off pretty much scot-free by the few people who could make it happen (here's looking at you Pence and McConnell) basically just letting the clock tick down.
As for wanting an international airport named after him, really???????

p.s.watched Arnie's 7 minute video earlier today on CNN and thought it was very commendable.

[Kickaha]

Btw the secret service detail post presidency is not about "protecting" the president. It's so the deep state can monitor their Comms and who they meet with so no secrets get out. :lol::lol::lol: This cunt is always good for a laugh, ooh what you were serious :weird:

[PrincessBandit]

Oh, and the rotten apples don't fall far from the tree. Donald Jr addressing the mob before the storming of the Capitol building: "If you're going to be the zero not the hero we're coming for you and we'll enjoy doing it". The same vindictive, vengeful and taking pleasure in spitefulness as his dear ole dad... Bets on that if Don Snr somehow, by a miracle gets banned for ever being able to run for public office ever again that lil junior will be ready to step up to take his place to continue the family business of shame, disgrace and bile??

Is malignant narcissism hereditary?

[pete376403]

trump is not getting everything his way - the PGA golf championship is leaving trump national in 2022. And he probably cares more about that than any of the other shit thats happened across america
https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/30689392/2022-pga-championship-leaving-trump-national

[husaberg]

trump is not getting everything his way - the PGA golf championship is leaving trump national in 2022. And he probably cares more about that than any of the other shit thats happened across america
https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/30689392/2022-pga-championship-leaving-trump-national

lol

"It has become clear that conducting the PGA Championship at Trump Bedminister would be detrimental to the PGA of America brand and would put at risk the PGA's ability to deliver on many programs and sustain the longevity of our mission.''
The events of Jan. 6, in which pro-Trump protesters stormed the U.S. Capitol in Washington, D.C., pushed the organization to move to another venue with just more than 15 months until that championship is scheduled to be played on May 19-22, 2022.


the trumps organization's response is rather interesting.


A spokesperson for The Trump Organization told ABC news that they are "incredibly disappointed" with the decision.
"This is a breach of a binding contract and they have no right to terminate the agreement," the spokesperson said. "As an organization we have invested many, many millions of dollars in the 2022 PGA Championship at Trump National Golf Club, Bedminster.

I say this considering how the reason they have lost the PGA's support s is because trump ignored the presidential oath.

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

[Grumph]

To uphold the constitution, first you must have read it....Demonstrably he never has.
I still think that when the dust settles on his taxes and the source of his financing, he'll be shown to have been in breach of the emoluments clause from day one...

ATM it looks like the house will present and pass inpeachment under urgency - I can't see Pense invoking the 25th amendment. Hang Pense as a chant may have been too much for him, LOL.
But they don't have to pass it to the Senate untill they feel like it. They are talking about giving Biden 100 days to get sorted before going after Trump

It is apparently possible to impeach an ex president. Which then among other things stops them from standing for elected office again.

On another note, someone on talkback today suggested the US have an annual "Storming of the Capitol" day - like Guy Fawkes.
On which Trump shall be burned in effigy.
Sounded like a good idea for a pissup so I suggested it on a US based forum. A few liked it. We'll see if it's adopted, LOL.

[mashman]

The Insurrection Act (https://www.monkeywerxus.com/blog/hyufdwtux92z2g4kc89s0vht85vu04)

"It is Sunday, January 10, 2021 and one of my very reliable sources has told me he was inbound to Camp Pendleton due to the Insurrection Act being signed.".

Things might get a little weird if this is true.

[ellipsis]

The Insurrection Act (https://www.monkeywerxus.com/blog/hyufdwtux92z2g4kc89s0vht85vu04)

"It is Sunday, January 10, 2021 and one of my very reliable sources has told me he was inbound to Camp Pendleton due to the Insurrection Act being signed.".

Things might get a little weird if this is true.

...Is that like Camp Run-amok...

[pritch]

trump is not getting everything his way - the PGA golf championship is leaving trump national in 2022. And he probably cares more about that than any of the other shit thats happened across america

Trump will be seriously pissed off about that. He had previously instructed the US Ambassador to Britain to approach the British government about moving the British Open, from wherever it was scheduled to be held, to his course at Turnberry. They declined.

There's always a grift. Prestwick Airport near Glasgow is losing money and closure is a possibility. Prestwick is the closest airport to Turnberry, if Prestwick closed Turnberry would be a long way from an airport. So Trump has had the USAF routing through Prestwick (with the crews staying at Turnberry of course). This has reportedly cost the Yank tax payer millions, because the fuel at Prestwick is considerably more expensive than the US bases they'd normally use.

[pritch]

"It is Sunday, January 10, 2021 and one of my very reliable sources has told me he was inbound to Camp Pendleton due to the Insurrection Act being signed.".


Big excitement on Twitter, this may be true. Twitter is full of chat about this but nobody yet has sources. Photographs suggest parts of DC look like an armed camp. Trump and Melania have jetted off in the 757 to parts unknown.

[mashman]

...Is that like Camp Run-amok...

Dunno... they do have a paintball park though.

[mashman]

Big excitement on Twitter, this may be true. Twitter is full of chat about this but nobody yet has sources. Photographs suggest parts of DC look like an armed camp. Trump and Melania have jetted off in the 757 to parts unknown.

Far canal, what a sad state of affairs.

[pete376403]

Big excitement on Twitter, this may be true. Twitter is full of chat about this but nobody yet has sources. Photographs suggest parts of DC look like an armed camp. Trump and Melania have jetted off in the 757 to parts unknown.

Down the bottom of that page is a link to "Prediction of things to come" - that is a page of end-times, biblical prophesy raving (and the comments are even more extreme) so its a bit hard to take the initial stuff (the link Mashy posted)seriously

[F5 Dave]

Well he must be allowed to do it or dems would be all over that... With Hillary lurking in the background I’d be having that security at that time too lest you end up propping up a motorway bridge in Akansaw
I don't think that is reasonable. She will be far to busy with her child trafficking and Adrenochrome extraction now that Trump isn't able to fight them.

Why that doesnt sound crazy at all. Bwaaaaaaaa.

[husaberg]

https://factba.se/topic/calendar

Trumps schedule is unchanged and still looks like it it was written by a 5 year old.



11
Monday
January, 2021

Official Schedule
.
President Trump will work from early in the morning until late in the evening. He will make many calls and have many meetings.

The White House

11 jan 2016

The White House announced that the President will travel to Omaha, NE, on January 13.
January 11
3
In the morning, in the Oval Office, the President and Vice President Joe Biden had an
intelligence briefing.
In the afternoon, starting in the Grand Foyer, the President recorded an interview with
Matt Lauer of NBC's "Today" program for later broadcast.
The White House announced that the President will travel to Baton Rouge, LA, on
January 13 and 14.
The President announced his intention to nominate Todd A. Weiler to be Assistant
Secretary of Defense for Manpower and Reserve Affairs.
The President announced his intention to nominate Nelson Reyneri to be a member of
the Board of Directors for the Overseas Private Investment Corporation.
The President announced his intention to nominate Kelly Keiderling-Franz to be
Ambassador to Uruguay.
The President announced his intention to nominate Stephen M. Schwartz to be
Ambassador to Somalia.
The President announced his intention to nominate the following individuals to be
members of the Board of Directors for the National Association of Registered Agents and
Brokers: Raymond G. Farmer; Thomas McLeary; Michael J. Rothman; and Heather A.
Steinmiller.
The President announced his intention to nominate J. Mark McWatters to be a member of
the Board of Directors for the Export-Import Bank of the United States.
The President announced his intention to appoint Thomas M. Gallas as a member of the
National Capital Planning Commission.
The President announced his intention to appoint Ethel Brooks, Sara Darehshori, and
Norman Eisen as members of the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Council.

[pritch]

The Democrats have introduced Articles of Impeachment to the House. “Incitement to Insurrection.”

[pritch]

In addition to the clip of an outraged MAGAt having a tantrum because he has been classed as a terrorist and added to the ‘no fly’ list, there are several clips of Capitol rioters being arrested as they arrive at their various home airports. They do not go quietly. One, held on the floor by a couple of cops, is screaming, “You’re treating me like a fucking black person”.

Close, they’re treating him like a fucking criminal.

[SaferRides]

Parker is down at the moment so can't check this. But hilarious if it's true.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210111/b409d17f96a7e049a7e7977f55af8a84.jpg

[Bonez]

Thank fuck Killery never became president and Epstiene is out of the picture......Do do do or is he?

Keep it up ladies. This thread is Comedy Hour Extreme.:laugh:

[PrincessBandit]

Interesting that republicans who have decried the president's actions and openly said he is guilty of the accusations he's facing, but they don't want the 25th invoked or for him to be impeached. On the one hand they say "he needs to be held accountable" yet none have provided any suggestions as to how that could happen. Other than a slap on the wrist and "don't be a naughty boy again". Yeah, like that's worked out great over the last few years.
Interesting too to watch how many loyalists (Rubio, Cruz etc.) totally ripped into trump in 2015 when they were vying against him as a presidential candidate, calling out his amoral character, continual and unabashed lying, racist and xenophobic characteristics, but look at them now baby - they're kissing his orange ass and sucking up to his rent-a-mob base for all they're worth.

[pritch]

Parker is down at the moment so can't check this. But hilarious if it's true.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210111/b409d17f96a7e049a7e7977f55af8a84.jpg

Parler should be down for days. Apparently their site is really crudely built. People who deleted incriminating information will not be pleased to learn that everything is still accessible. To be a "verified" account you submitted a photo of your drivers licence. That information is all still available too. The FBI can have a field day.

There were several variations of that notice on Twitter and elsewhere. Whoever dreamed it up knew that MAGAts are dumb fuckers, it was worth a punt.

[pete376403]

Parler should be down for days. Apparently their site is really crudely built. People who deleted incriminating information will not be pleased to learn that everything is still accessible. To be a "verified" account you submirtted a photo of your drivers licence. That information is all still available too. The FBI can have a field day.

There were several variations of that notice on Twitter and elsewhere. Whoever dreamed it up knew that MAGAts are dumb fuckers, it was worth a punt.

Parler my be gone for good https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/technology/2021/01/parler-ceo-john-matze-says-service-ditched-by-every-vendor-shutting-down.html

[Bonez]

Interesting that republicans who have decried the president's actions and openly said he is guilty of the accusations he's facing, but they don't want the 25th invoked or for him to be impeached. On the one hand they say "he needs to be held accountable" yet none have provided any suggestions as to how that could happen. Other than a slap on the wrist and "don't be a naughty boy again". Yeah, like that's worked out great over the last few years.
Interesting too to watch how many loyalists (Rubio, Cruz etc.) totally ripped into trump in 2015 when they were vying against him as a presidential candidate, calling out his amoral character, continual and unabashed lying, racist and xenophobic characteristics, but look at them now baby - they're kissing his orange ass and sucking up to his rent-a-mob base for all they're worth.
Maybe those trashing Trump did not meet the full criteria to impeach or push for the 25th.

As for Cruz and the others they were competing for Trump as President of the USA. They lost, accepted the outcome and moved right along...No award for participation Win or Lose..

Anyway that is all ancianrt history. What matters is what is happening right now.

Just saying...

[sugilite]

A quick recap on what has been happening recently.
Trump loses election
Loses 60 court cases
Loses Twitter Account
Loses Facebook account
Loses the Republicans the Georgia Elections
Loses a major PGA golf tournament (that would of hurt him the most)

It has been MAGAnificent loss after MAGAnificent loss for Trump :laugh:

[george formby]

The US companies shunning the Republican party

Crikey, some big names are not happy. Withdrawing Republican donations.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-us-canada-55617421

This is a live feed so may need some scrolling.

Ass covering?

[R650R]

I don't think that is reasonable. She will be far to busy with her child trafficking and Adrenochrome extraction now that Trump isn't able to fight them.

Why that doesnt sound crazy at all. Bwaaaaaaaa.

That’s not something I’ve posted about, I’ll have to look into your claims there

[R650R]

Maybe those trashing Trump did not meet the full criteria to impeach or push for the 25th.

As for Cruz and the others they were competing for Trump as President of the USA. They lost, accepted the outcome and moved right along...No award for participation Win or Lose..

Anyway that is all ancianrt history. What matters is what is happening right now.

Just saying...

Salty Cracker did a good run down about the whole futility and worthlessness of the exercise.
You have to wonder as some astute commentators have is now the dens are days away from holding power why are they wasting energy with something that’s will do nothing.
Perhaps it’s all part of the wider sideshow trump included to fill news with crap.
Pushing other headlines out of the news like....

[R650R]

The US companies shunning the Republican party

Crikey, some big names are not happy. Withdrawing Republican donations.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-us-canada-55617421

This is a live feed so may need some scrolling.

Ass covering?

Just wokeness, it will bite them in the end. When Democrat AOC tried to get people to boycott GOYA foods after the Hispanic CEO praise s trump, the company had record sales. They made her employee of the month to rub it in lol
The election cycle is over just means a bigger war chest of funding for the next candidate...
If the dems control the senate as well it would be pointless for any rep oriented lobbyists to be donating anything for four years...

[R650R]

Most judges in the U.S. election saw the evidence presented as not enough to give the remedy requested. The judges that did see the evidence presented as being evidence enough of voter fraud, were simply outvoted. Enough evidence was found to show voter fraud according to some caught judges... just not most of them. Now then, put your mask on, because some of the judges (medical professionals) are saying that it's useful... ignore those who say otherwise, in fact deride them with everything in your arse n all.

Perhaps this was all fresh in their minds too about what happens when you mess with the elite...

https://i.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/300061512/son-of-judge-who-presided-over-jeffrey-epstein-case-killed-husband-shot

[TheDemonLord]

A Wild DemonLord Appears!

Contrary to popular belief, occasionally (and I try not to make it a habit) I have to work very hard. My company was recently bought out by new Corporate overlords and I've spent the last Month (yes, over the Christmas period) re-writing a bunch of stuff in order to meet Deadlines (which, I'm pleased to say, I did, with 2 hours to spare)

As a result, I'm not really up to speed - I see there's been some references to me (and Husa - you do realise that I have KB saved as a tab on my Browser, so when I restart or refresh all my tabs - it will show me as visiting the page?).

Here's where I'm at.

It appears Joe Biden has been officially confirmed as the next president. So from that point of view, I was wrong.

But the real question is do I believe he won legitimately? Short answer - No.

Many of my fans will want to gloat with glee over that - with cries of 'Cope' and 'Conspiracy' and 'Magat' and alike.

And I'll grant you all of the above (and whatever else you deem) - I'll admit that I don't have the conclusive proof that would meet the threshold in a court of law. From a pure numbers point of view however, there are too many unprecedented occurrences with Joe's election.

The machinery of power is moving exactly as one would expect should that be the case - get Joe in as quick as possible - Gloss over any queries and then when a sufficient amount of time has passed, maybe hold an enquiry (by then a lot of time-sensitive will either have expired or be destroyed).

And although I've yet to fully look at the riots, The usual suspects who stood in front of burning buildings, attended a cessation attempt where 7? people where killed and proudly proclaimed that it was like a Summer of Love and mostly peaceful are calling a single protest an insurrection attempt.

Add to that the Purging off of social media all of the Juden, I mean 'Undesirables', I mean Unpersons - That is only going to galvanize the opposition.

This is the kind of double-standard and 'Swamp-like' behaviour that will give nearly 50% of the population (who also happen to be the most heavily armed part of the population) a cause to rebel.

Then we have to accept that the idea of violently overthrowing a Government is baked into the Constitution and the Founding fathers were explicit: "the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants".

That said, I've seen a couple of things from Joe that gives me a moments pause that he might still have some back-bone left in him, the way the BLM and ANTIFA Rioters got stomped out after he 'won' the election - so maybe he won't be all bad.

[pritch]

But the real question is do I believe he won legitimately? Short answer - No.



You were going OK up 'til then, from there on you lost the plot.

There's a clip of Lou Dodds, a senile FOX personality, saying he's confused about why there is no evidence to prove all the electoral fraud that everybody knows happened.
Of course that's a tell. The 'fact' that there is no proof, proves there is a conspiracy. When you hear that just walk away. The person is a lost cause.

TDL's post comes close to that. Very close.

[sugilite]

A Wild DemonLord Appears!

Contrary to popular belief, occasionally (and I try not to make it a habit) I have to work very hard. My company was recently bought out by new Corporate overlords and I've spent the last Month (yes, over the Christmas period) re-writing a bunch of stuff in order to meet Deadlines (which, I'm pleased to say, I did, with 2 hours to spare)

As a result, I'm not really up to speed - I see there's been some references to me (and Husa - you do realise that I have KB saved as a tab on my Browser, so when I restart or refresh all my tabs - it will show me as visiting the page?).

Here's where I'm at.

It appears Joe Biden has been officially confirmed as the next president. So from that point of view, I was wrong.

But the real question is do I believe he won legitimately? Short answer - No.


I'm printing out this nearly admission to put on the wall :lol:
To be fair mate, it was a lot closer than I thought it was going to be and if that recording of Trump admitting he had deliberately downplayed the virus had not come out - he could well of won.
And polls can go fuck themselves for the next US election :laugh:

But, you know, Trump continues to show what a complete arsehole he is at every opportunity. Starting the riot, saying he would be right there with them before going back to the west wing to survey the carnage. Vintage Trump right there. More vintage Trump, blaming Pence for not performing a task Trump knew full well Pence had no authority to implement. The usual magas brainlessly lapped it up and issued death threats against Pence. Pence is a wanker and deserves all he gets from sucking Trump dick for the last 4 years. I'm just pointing out how Trump will throw absolutely anyone under the bus if it suits him.

I jokingly said to my son today that the poor little magas will end up on some russian platform in place of parler, and boom - there they are flocking to the Russian developed "telegram". :lol:
Way to go comrade magas - you just cannot make this shit up!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/300203084/trumps-online-fans-flock-to-app-used-as-safehaven-for-terrorists

[george formby]

Thought I had already posted about Telegram, must have just thunk about posting.

But, yeah. Na. Acquaintances with different political, privacy and freedom opinions to my own are flocking to it. Mainly because whatsapp is now openly harvesting data.

I had a look at Telegram, it's run by 2 Russians, the company is based in Dubai at the mo and the owners are effectively of no fixed abode due to concerns they might be "influenced" by Mother Russia.

Not what I expected, could be legit.

Then again.

[pritch]

A while back I mentioned how the QAnon types thought Trump was going to declare world wide martial law from Air Force 1 and the tribunals would commence.

Funny. Not a single prophesy has come true - and there have been many. Still the gullible keep following.

This is another one. More for the technical minded?

[george formby]

I think you misspelled testicle. "More for the testicle minded?"

[Grumph]

There's a very good piece on Politico by Fiona Hill - the eastern european expert who testified at the first impeachment.
She correctly identifies it as an attempted coup - and lays out the classic steps and how Trump followed them.

She doesn't go to what IMO is the inevitable conclusion however - if Trump had had the balls to lead the assault himself it probably would have succeeded.

But in my mind it leaves a very big question - Who told Trump how to do it ? Demonstrably he doesn't read history, least of all political history.

Someone who does however is his mate Putin....

[husaberg]

There's a very good piece on Politico by Fiona Hill - the eastern european expert who testified at the first impeachment.
She correctly identifies it as an attempted coup - and lays out the classic steps and how Trump followed them.

She doesn't go to what IMO is the inevitable conclusion however - if Trump had had the balls to lead the assault himself it probably would have succeeded.

But in my mind it leaves a very big question - Who told Trump how to do it ? Demonstrably he doesn't read history, least of all political history.

Someone who does however is his mate Putin....

Oddly Putin acknowledged trump on election night results, but his administration refused to acknowledge Biden until the attempotrd coup failed.

he said he wouldn’t recognize the election results until they were accepted by Biden’s opponent or confirmed in a “legitimate” way.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-15/putin-finally-congratulates-biden-for-winning-u-s-presidency

[Laava]

A while back I mentioned how the QAnon types thought Trump was going to declare world wide martial law from Air Force 1 and the tribunals would commence.

Funny. Not a single prophesy has come true - and there have been many. Still the gullible keep following.

This is another one. More for the technical minded?
Lol, someone has been watching Thunderbirds!

[Swoop]

Since Trump has been banned from Twitter and other social media, maybe he would consider Kiwibitcher as a new platform?

[Bonez]

Since Trump has been banned from Twitter and other social media, maybe he would consider Kiwibitcher as a new platform?Very good :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[F5 Dave]

A Wild DemonLord Appears!

Contrary to popular belief, occasionally (and I try not to make it a habit) I have to work very hard. My company was recently bought out by new Corporate overlords and I've spent the last Month (yes, over the Christmas period) re-writing a bunch of stuff in order to meet Deadlines (which, I'm pleased to say, I did, with 2 hours to spare)

As a result, I'm not really up to speed - I see there's been some references to me (and Husa - you do realise that I have KB saved as a tab on my Browser, so when I restart or refresh all my tabs - it will show me as visiting the page?).

Here's where I'm at.

It appears Joe Biden has been officially confirmed as the next president. So from that point of view, I was wrong.

But the real question is do I believe he won legitimately? Short answer - No.

Many of my fans will want to gloat with glee over that - with cries of 'Cope' and 'Conspiracy' and 'Magat' and alike.

And I'll grant you all of the above (and whatever else you deem) - I'll admit that I don't have the conclusive proof that would meet the threshold in a court of law. From a pure numbers point of view however, there are too many unprecedented occurrences with Joe's election.

The machinery of power is moving exactly as one would expect should that be the case - get Joe in as quick as possible - Gloss over any queries and then when a sufficient amount of time has passed, maybe hold an enquiry (by then a lot of time-sensitive will either have expired or be destroyed).

. . . .

Ok um, so. . . This "Machinery of Power", Where is this hidden? Is it in the basement of the White House? and in 4 years Trumps lackeys couldn't find it to turn it off?

-Cause you know that the Republicans have been in power? and more so Trump has his own people, changed several times as hes pretty good at firing people. (not so good at making good hiring choices).

So how are the Democrats controlling all this?. Remote control? Lizard technology? Because they are not in power yet. You know that yeah? :scratch:

[FJRider]

1. It appears Joe Biden has been officially confirmed as the next president. So from that point of view, I was wrong.

2. But the real question is do I believe he won legitimately? Short answer - No.

3. Many of my fans will want to gloat with glee over that - with cries of 'Cope' and 'Conspiracy' and 'Magat' and alike.

4. And I'll grant you all of the above (and whatever else you deem) - I'll admit that I don't have the conclusive proof that would meet the threshold in a court of law. From a pure numbers point of view however, there are too many unprecedented occurrences with Joe's election.

5. The machinery of power is moving exactly as one would expect should that be the case - get Joe in as quick as possible - Gloss over any queries and then when a sufficient amount of time has passed, maybe hold an enquiry (by then a lot of time-sensitive will either have expired or be destroyed).

6. Then we have to accept that the idea of violently overthrowing a Government is baked into the Constitution and the Founding fathers were explicit: "the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants".

1. Stating the obvious ... but ... not the first (nor will be the last) time you were/are wrong.

2. What you believe is entirely your choice. Be it in Father Christmas or the result in the latest American election. The results are final ... but Trump might ask for a few more recounts. What has he got left to loose .. ??? Greater legal minds than yours will be (and no doubt have been) scouring the record keeping in election process for any "irregularities" (that favored Biden) ... in the vote counting process. Or any other part of the Election process.

So far ... nothing.

3. You have fans ... who knew .. ??

4. "Unprecedented occurrences" are common in most elections ... there were a few in the last election held in New Zealand ... a few months back. And the one before that too.

Unless they are deemed illegal ... it doesn't change the election result.

5. The "Machinery of power" is bigger the Government itself. A lot of people doing what they are paid to do. Very small needles in a big haystack. Again ... plenty of people looking ... and nothing (illegal) found to alter the election outcome so far.

6. A violent overthrow of Government is not a particularly new (sometimes ... not even a particularly bad) occurrence in history. Civil wars are fought to determine whom governs. It will take more than a few (armed) Trump supporters to achieve victory (power) doing that.

It will certainly take more than a few kids with imitation AK's to achieve success in that.

[FJRider]

Since Trump has been banned from Twitter and other social media, maybe he would consider Kiwibitcher as a new platform?

Send him a link to KB.

His problems sorted.


Any guesses from any ... as to a suggested username .. he would choose to log on with .. ???

[TheDemonLord]

You were going OK up 'til then, from there on you lost the plot.

There's a clip of Lou Dodds, a senile FOX personality, saying he's confused about why there is no evidence to prove all the electoral fraud that everybody knows happened.
Of course that's a tell. The 'fact' that there is no proof, proves there is a conspiracy. When you hear that just walk away. The person is a lost cause.

TDL's post comes close to that. Very close.


It's not that there isn't Proof, it's more that what we currently have doesn't come close to the 'Beyond all reasonable Doubt' levels of proof required by a court of law.

And that's fine.

My position is that given all of the unprecedented occurrences and the statistical outliers, on the preponderance of that Evidence, there's been some form of foul play or at the very least, something that requires a proper and full investigation.

[TheDemonLord]

I'm printing out this nearly admission to put on the wall :lol:
To be fair mate, it was a lot closer than I thought it was going to be and if that recording of Trump admitting he had deliberately downplayed the virus had not come out - he could well of won.
And polls can go fuck themselves for the next US election :laugh:

Haha, fair enough.


I jokingly said to my son today that the poor little magas will end up on some russian platform in place of parler, and boom - there they are flocking to the Russian developed "telegram". :lol:
Way to go comrade magas - you just cannot make this shit up!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/300203084/trumps-online-fans-flock-to-app-used-as-safehaven-for-terrorists

I dunno, at the moment, Russian Corruption seems more honest than the US Tech corruption. And that's not even being that glib.

[TheDemonLord]

Ok um, so. . . This "Machinery of Power", Where is this hidden? Is it in the basement of the White House? and in 4 years Trumps lackeys couldn't find it to turn it off?

If you look at the majority of Media companies - they share either a soft left or substantial left bias.
If you look at Eductation (at all levels) - overwhelming left or far left.
If you look at the 'Big Tech Giants' - They donate to the Democrats, give preferential treatment to Left-Wing causes that is not extended to Right-Wing causes, implement radical left theories into corporate policy.
If you look at most corporate HR and Media departments - they are overwhelmingly left also.


So how are the Democrats controlling all this?. Remote control? Lizard technology? Because they are not in power yet. You know that yeah? :scratch:

See above.

Media, Education, The Internet and Big Corporates - those are pretty significant and influential parts of modern society.

[TheDemonLord]

1. Stating the obvious ... but ... not the first (nor will be the last) time you were/are wrong.

Love you too.


2. What you believe is entirely your choice. Be it in Father Christmas or the result in the latest American election. The results are final ... but Trump might ask for a few more recounts. What has he got left to loose .. ??? Greater legal minds than yours will be (and no doubt have been) scouring the record keeping in election process for any "irregularities" (that favored Biden) ... in the vote counting process. Or any other part of the Election process.

So far ... nothing.

To be fair, there's plenty of irregularities, the issue is whether or not they meet the level of proof demanded by the courts. It's one thing for a number of Poll watchers to say they weren't able to watch the votes being counted (and their testimony to be backed up by video Evidence), but that doesn't prove that Cheating definitely happened.

I can think of a number of very famous legal cases where someone was very obviously guilty, but because of the inability to meet the threshold of 'Beyond all reasonable doubt' - they got off. The Kahui case springs to mind.


3. You have fans ... who knew .. ??

Well, in my absence a number of people were eagerly awaiting my opinion and I was referenced in passing by others and that post generated 4 different replies - so that suffices for me.


4. "Unprecedented occurrences" are common in most elections ... there were a few in the last election held in New Zealand ... a few months back. And the one before that too.

Unless they are deemed illegal ... it doesn't change the election result.

That's a very interesting comparison - I've stated my opinion on Jacinda (I think she's a Cunt) - but I can acknowledge she was wildly popular - There was AN unprecedented occurrence (outright victory under MMP for Labour), but the rest of the election result wasn't too far off predictions - NZ First got booted out of Parliament for Crossing the floor and forming and coalition with Labour. ACT did well off the back of David Seymours principled opposition. The Greens rallied.

And even that Unprecedented event wasn't unpredictable - with several pundits speculating whether or not she would be able to do it. On top of that, our history of MMP is relatively short, compared to the US system.

Whereas in the US there's been a large number of 'Firsts' and events that haven't happened in 100+ years. As we both agree though - that doesn't meet the requirement of Legal proof that there was foul play, For me however, it does meet the threshold of on the preponderance of evidence.


5. The "Machinery of power" is bigger the Government itself. A lot of people doing what they are paid to do. Very small needles in a big haystack. Again ... plenty of people looking ... and nothing (illegal) found to alter the election outcome so far.

Completely agree the Machinery of Power extends far beyond the Government. I beleive I've already flogged this horse - but things were found that were suspicious and worthy of thorough investigation but they did not meet the requirement of 'beyond all reasonable doubt'


6. A violent overthrow of Government is not a particularly new (sometimes ... not even a particularly bad) occurrence in history. Civil wars are fought to determine whom governs. It will take more than a few (armed) Trump supporters to achieve victory (power) doing that.

It will certainly take more than a few kids with imitation AK's to achieve success in that.

For sure it's not new, however in most Government structures, Civil War and Revolution are generally frowned upon, whereas America is quite unique in that the threat of violent overthrow of the government is specifically baked into the system. It's akin to the 3rd leg of the Triumvirate system that Rome used to be built on.

I see that they are trying Impeachment again, So much for 'Unity and Togetherness'...

[Laava]

Send him a link to KB.

His problems sorted.


Any guesses from any ... as to a suggested username .. he would choose to log on with .. ???
He could be TheDementedLard or Bonez2?
Hard to imagine but he is possibly even dumber than Boner. Be hilarious tho having 2 tantrum throwers filling their little diapers everytime someone didn't agree with anything they said!

[Bonez]

He could be TheDementedLard or Bonez2?
Hard to imagine but he is possibly even dumber than Boner. Be hilarious tho having 2 tantrum throwers filling their little diapers everytime someone didn't agree with anything they said!

I :love: you too darling.:violin: Seems all you KB knitting circle members are listening to those little voices in your heads lol


Just saying sweety pie..

[TheDemonLord]

He could be TheDementedLard

Well, I'd feel especially honored.

[sugilite]

It's not that there isn't Proof, it's more that what we currently have doesn't come close to the 'Beyond all reasonable Doubt' levels of proof required by a court of law.

And that's fine.

My position is that given all of the unprecedented occurrences and the statistical outliers, on the preponderance of that Evidence, there's been some form of foul play or at the very least, something that requires a proper and full investigation.


Haha, fair enough.



I dunno, at the moment, Russian Corruption seems more honest than the US Tech corruption. And that's not even being that glib.


If you look at the majority of Media companies - they share either a soft left or substantial left bias.
If you look at Eductation (at all levels) - overwhelming left or far left.
If you look at the 'Big Tech Giants' - They donate to the Democrats, give preferential treatment to Left-Wing causes that is not extended to Right-Wing causes, implement radical left theories into corporate policy.
If you look at most corporate HR and Media departments - they are overwhelmingly left also.



See above.

Media, Education, The Internet and Big Corporates - those are pretty significant and influential parts of modern society.


Love you too.



To be fair, there's plenty of irregularities, the issue is whether or not they meet the level of proof demanded by the courts. It's one thing for a number of Poll watchers to say they weren't able to watch the votes being counted (and their testimony to be backed up by video Evidence), but that doesn't prove that Cheating definitely happened.

I can think of a number of very famous legal cases where someone was very obviously guilty, but because of the inability to meet the threshold of 'Beyond all reasonable doubt' - they got off. The Kahui case springs to mind.



Well, in my absence a number of people were eagerly awaiting my opinion and I was referenced in passing by others and that post generated 4 different replies - so that suffices for me.



That's a very interesting comparison - I've stated my opinion on Jacinda (I think she's a Cunt) - but I can acknowledge she was wildly popular - There was AN unprecedented occurrence (outright victory under MMP for Labour), but the rest of the election result wasn't too far off predictions - NZ First got booted out of Parliament for Crossing the floor and forming and coalition with Labour. ACT did well off the back of David Seymours principled opposition. The Greens rallied.

And even that Unprecedented event wasn't unpredictable - with several pundits speculating whether or not she would be able to do it. On top of that, our history of MMP is relatively short, compared to the US system.

Whereas in the US there's been a large number of 'Firsts' and events that haven't happened in 100+ years. As we both agree though - that doesn't meet the requirement of Legal proof that there was foul play, For me however, it does meet the threshold of on the preponderance of evidence.



Completely agree the Machinery of Power extends far beyond the Government. I beleive I've already flogged this horse - but things were found that were suspicious and worthy of thorough investigation but they did not meet the requirement of 'beyond all reasonable doubt'



For sure it's not new, however in most Government structures, Civil War and Revolution are generally frowned upon, whereas America is quite unique in that the threat of violent overthrow of the government is specifically baked into the system. It's akin to the 3rd leg of the Triumvirate system that Rome used to be built on.

I see that they are trying Impeachment again, So much for 'Unity and Togetherness'...

You address a lot - as is your way.
Glaringly absent though is your thoughts on Trump, a man you have stated is a very smart guy. Keep this in mind for your possible answer as clearly he will of known exactly what he was doing.
What is your thoughts on Trump winding up his supporters to do what they did - AND promising he would be there right with them all the way, then going back to the west wing to view the carnage he had so expertly sowed?

[R650R]

There's a very good piece on Politico by Fiona Hill - the eastern european expert who testified at the first impeachment.
She correctly identifies it as an attempted coup - and lays out the classic steps and how Trump followed them.

She doesn't go to what IMO is the inevitable conclusion however - if Trump had had the balls to lead the assault himself it probably would have succeeded.

But in my mind it leaves a very big question - Who told Trump how to do it ? Demonstrably he doesn't read history, least of all political history.

Someone who does however is his mate Putin....

One has to be not in power before it’s a coup, he’s still officially president for a few more days...

But your getting closer to the Truth, that a communist takeover is happening behind the scenes...
I LOVE how the left screams out that communist Russia is meddling with America’s power structure and elections but refuses to acknowledge the possibility there are few more deeper layers leading to the Elite behind the scenes...
There is a coup happening but it’s the Elite vs humanity, we’ve developed the necessary infrastructure and technology that weve made ourselves redundant via population growth. Us slaves are over educated and they’re having trouble keeping us on the plantation.
But send us back they will via equality where everyone has the same, just remember poverty in a western nation is untold riches compared to slaves in China or Africa etc.... so be careful what you wish for.... equality means having nothing...
People in western nations are like that slave in the Chris Rock joke that secretly learnt to read and knows not to say stop but tells his master watch out for the S T O P sign

[R650R]

If you look at the majority of Media companies - they share either a soft left or substantial left bias.
If you look at Eductation (at all levels) - overwhelming left or far left.
If you look at the 'Big Tech Giants' - They donate to the Democrats, give preferential treatment to Left-Wing causes that is not extended to Right-Wing causes, implement radical left theories into corporate policy.
If you look at most corporate HR and Media departments - they are overwhelmingly left also.



See above.

Media, Education, The Internet and Big Corporates - those are pretty significant and influential parts of modern society.

Bang on the money... isnÂ’t it just hilarious that the extreme left calls them self anti fascist when the highest definition of fascism is the merger of state and corporate power.

Just look at Hitler we all agree he was a bad guy... but the real power was the likes of IG Farben whose groups of companies made the poison gases, whose companies utilised the work camp labour and I wonÂ’t even mention the AMERICAN companies who sold rubber and other industrial technologies to these outfits during wartime!

We all used to laugh on both sides at the obvious political corruption of America where corporate lobbyists influence laws and decisions with donations and gifts etc no one here would dispute that process...
But now we have the corporates openly stating what they think is wrong and right but itÂ’s not impartial...
We have the worlds richest computer expert who really was just done nerd lucky in right place st right time with help from daddyÂ’s mo etc and influence sufffenly make himself the world expert on vaccines....
We have media that no longer questions and prints corporate press releases as news, that previously would have been back on page 9 or 11 with in small bold letters next door the word advertisement.

Oh well the great reset is coming where we all own nothing to repay the corona lockdown debt...
If watching the left cry about the homeless stealing their food in the CHAZ compound no pice zone was anything to go by itÂ’s sure going to be entertaining. In our lovely New equality world some people are still going to want more than others.
Guess who the easy targets will be???? Call the ..... Call the .... dial..... disconnected tone....

[sugilite]

Just for DL reference, this is the level of intelligence the people that Trump is manipulating to his own ends. (hilarious video as it may be)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDJqipoohc

[pritch]

Trump's knowledge of US geography has been shown to be sketchy previously when he placed Kansas City in the wrong state when congratulating a sports team.

Trump is flying to Alamo Texas. This may be to remind everybody of the event, famous in Amarican history, where a group of 'illegal immigrants' made a last stand against the Mexican Army.

A minor detail perhaps, but if his intention is somehow to associate his final days in office with the famous last stand, he's in the wrong place. "The Alamo" of historic fame is near San Antonio, hundreds of kilometers away from the eponymous town near the west Texas border.

SNAFU?

[R650R]

Since Trump has been banned from Twitter and other social media, maybe he would consider Kiwibitcher as a new platform?

Big tech has just made a huge mistake. It’s like when cops kill a drug lord in Mexico they create a power vacumn.
The platform bans haven’t dented Trumos support base. He still has a major following. Trump has mega business experience and connections.
Post presidency we could see a new Trump News Network, Trump twitter and Facebook style platforms. Build it and they will come, advertisers will want to access 50% of their markets that leftist outlets just burned to a crisp.
And you can bet they won’t be as censored or nanny state as the existing sites so even the leftists will flock over to vent their views.

Now think about this... would you want to work in a place with ................................., safe spaces and nasty words banned or work somewhere with true freedom of expression allowed.

[R650R]

Quote from another site....

“If Trump really did cause the capital riot, why isn’t CNN playing clips of that over and over again”

And wouldnt he be under house arrest by now, no one is above the law...

[TheDemonLord]

You address a lot - as is your way.
Glaringly absent though is your thoughts on Trump, a man you have stated is a very smart guy. Keep this in mind for your possible answer as clearly he will of known exactly what he was doing.
What is your thoughts on Trump winding up his supporters to do what they did - AND promising he would be there right with them all the way, then going back to the west wing to view the carnage he had so expertly sowed?

I think the first point is that I'm a big fan of the right to peaceful protest. Flowing from that, Calling for or advocating for Protests is also fine.

Now to add some Caveats to that - calling for Violent Protests is not okay and for Protests that have turned violent, continued support for them is generally not acceptable.

I did write a big bit, but I've decided to respond with a Question first - bearing in mind that I'll apply the answer to both sides:

What do you consider to be the acceptable limits of Protest and
What do you consider to be the acceptable limits of calling for Protest?

Because I cannot really answer your question until we set some standards.

[TheDemonLord]

Just for DL reference, this is the level of intelligence the people that Trump is manipulating to his own ends. (hilarious video as it may be)

And I'm sure I could find videos of Dole-Bludging Labour supporters who can barely string a sentence together - this gross characterization however does neither side any favours.

[F5 Dave]

If you look at the majority of Media companies - they share either a soft left or substantial left bias.
If you look at Eductation (at all levels) - overwhelming left or far left.
If you look at the 'Big Tech Giants' - They donate to the Democrats, give preferential treatment to Left-Wing causes that is not extended to Right-Wing causes, implement radical left theories into corporate policy.
If you look at most corporate HR and Media departments - they are overwhelmingly left also.



See above.

Media, Education, The Internet and Big Corporates - those are pretty significant and influential parts of modern society.

Thanks for clarifying that. So is the media and education funded by techys who are really in control.

They must be Deep state then! Jeezuz- its all coming clear now. :gob:

[TheDemonLord]

Thanks for clarifying that. So is the media and education funded by techys who are really in control.

They must be Deep state then! Jeezuz- its all coming clear now. :gob:

It's not a case of Funding or of a Deep State scenario.

It's more a case of key parts of those organizations happen to share a particular set of beliefs, which causes them to Act in a similar way.

Think of it not as a person who is in control, but more an Idea that is in Control (or from my perspective - out of control)

[pritch]

If you look at the 'Big Tech Giants' - They donate to the Democrats, give preferential treatment to Left-Wing causes that is not extended to Right-Wing causes, implement radical left theories into corporate policy.


That's pure fantasy. Zuckerberg is not left wing, his actions are far more compatible with his being rightwing. It may just be that he's an arsehole though. Arseholes and rghtwingers can be indistinguishable. Facebook have assisted with Trump propaganda since the beginning. They relatively recently refused to limit political ads containing obvious lies, Trump ads of course. Facebook were complicit in the Data Analytica scandal and were fined half a million quid in Britain. Data Analytica were not working for the Democrats.

Jack Dorsey holidayed in Myanmar. Taking the sun in military dictatorships where genocide is actively underway is not typical left wing behaviour. Next thing you'll be trying to sell Peter Thiel as a left winger.

Meanwhile back with reality, Liz Cheney is #3 in the Congressional Republican hierarchy. Her father was George W's Vice President. I didn't much like her dad, didn't much like her, but she is going up in my estimation.

[Laava]

My fledgling tin foil hat company is on the brink of a massive spike in sales now it would seem!
Getcha tin foil hats here, $2 ea or 2 for a fiver!

[mashman]

Perhaps this was all fresh in their minds too about what happens when you mess with the elite...

https://i.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/300061512/son-of-judge-who-presided-over-jeffrey-epstein-case-killed-husband-shot

Wouldn't be surprised.

Saw Trump on TV at the end of the wall so far today. He didn't sound like someone who was confident that another 4 years were on the cards. T'was, in general, a toned down affair as they celebrated the magnificence of the border wall without mention of anything that might make one think that he was anything but an outgoing president. He did read from an auto-prompt, so it could simply have been a case of wrong time wrong place for grumpy trumpy to incite another riot and maybe start tearing down the wall. Wonder what he'll say tomorrow.

[HenryDorsetCase]

It's not a case of Funding or of a Deep State scenario.

It's more a case of key parts of those organizations happen to share a particular set of beliefs, which causes them to Act in a similar way.

Think of it not as a person who is in control, but more an Idea that is in Control (or from my perspective - out of control)

Well except that the "deep state" isn't a thing.

[TheDemonLord]

That's pure fantasy. Zuckerberg is not left wing, his actions are far more compatible with his being rightwing. It may just be that he's an arsehole though. Arseholes and rghtwingers can be indistinguishable. Facebook have assisted with Trump propaganda since the beginning. They relatively recently refused to limit political ads containing obvious lies, Trump ads of course. Facebook were complicit in the Data Analytica scandal and were fined half a million quid in Britain. Data Analytica were not working for the Democrats.

What you've described though isn't assistance.

And it's pretty easy to prove that there is one standard for the likes of Trump/MAGA and a different standard for the likes of ANTIFA and BLM - from which we can conclude which way the pendulum swings.


Jack Dorsey holidayed in Myanmar. Taking the sun in military dictatorships where genocide is actively underway is not typical left wing behaviour. Next thing you'll be trying to sell Peter Thiel as a left winger.

Except for when Jack admits to having a Left Bias.

Well, the Left do love their Dictatorships...

[TheDemonLord]

Well except that the "deep state" isn't a thing.

I specifically said it wasn't the case?

[HenryDorsetCase]

My fledgling tin foil hat company is on the brink of a massive spike in sales now it would seem!
Getcha tin foil hats here, $2 ea or 2 for a fiver!

Sorry mate, I read online that a tinfoil hat is no good now that Elon Musk (a Russian!!!!!) has launched the Starlink Mindcontrol sattelites. So what you'll need now is a full body metal condom with an antenna going down to metal shoes - the antenna, metal sheathing will ground those signals out to earth, bypassing the brain. Of course if you have had your Covid Vax (with patented Bill Gates mind-control chip) then nothing will save you except your AR-15 and MAGA hat. You have seen the consequences of that though - that guy was mindcontrolled into tasering his own ballsack till he had a heart attack!!!

I was actually seriously considering getting a bunch of MAGA hats and lining them with tinfoil then offering them for sale on Etsy for $100USD each. Just to see how it went. Because there would be people who would buy them. But I dont need the money that bad and I have a modicum of self respect left.

[sugilite]

I think the first point is that I'm a big fan of the right to peaceful protest. Flowing from that, Calling for or advocating for Protests is also fine.

Now to add some Caveats to that - calling for Violent Protests is not okay and for Protests that have turned violent, continued support for them is generally not acceptable.

I did write a big bit, but I've decided to respond with a Question first - bearing in mind that I'll apply the answer to both sides:

What do you consider to be the acceptable limits of Protest and
What do you consider to be the acceptable limits of calling for Protest?

Because I cannot really answer your question until we set some standards.
Ohhh, na uhhh ahhh! despite your carefully placed banana skins and racing around the paddock making hay for future straw man arguments - I'm not falling for it. My opinion should have no bearing on what is a simple question aimed at you to gain your opinion. (It is actually worse than I thought after watching the video you commented on below). Now I know full well it is a tricky one to give a free pass to Trump for, which is why I'm enjoying asking it. You ponied up with Trump, you must of known the hard questions would come sooner or later. So try not to spin it one way or another, if Trump crossed the line for you, why not share it? If there was no line crossed as far as you are concerned, it does really lay to waste any BLM Anitifa riots you were jumping all over. :bleh:


And I'm sure I could find videos of Dole-Bludging Labour supporters who can barely string a sentence together - this gross characterization however does neither side any favours.

Oh I have no doubt, but come on, there really was a rich wealth of fucking numb skull idiots on display for that incident huh?
Trump planned to incite that lot, and gets a "A" for doing just that.
Apart for the ones that came armed made pipe bombs n all that, the large bunch of that mob were totally clueless and clearly had no plan.
Trump had the plan, and executed it. The mob largely had no plan and just went with the presidents cool idea :laugh:

[F5 Dave]

It's not a case of Funding or of a Deep State scenario.

It's more a case of key parts of those organizations happen to share a particular set of beliefs, which causes them to Act in a similar way.

Think of it not as a person who is in control, but more an Idea that is in Control (or from my perspective - out of control)

I asked you about the Machinery of power, remember? They were working in ways to get Biden in quickly you said, as if there was some force to be reckoned with that you are aware of.

When challenged to identify this powerbase you start blithering on about lefty school teachers or somesuch.

You've got nothing to back up that horseshit claim and you know it.

Seriously dude, it might sound impressive in you mind as you type scary scenarios. But apply some critical thinking. People start to believe stuff they read on the Internet if they see it enough.

[HenryDorsetCase]

And it's pretty easy to prove that there is one standard for the likes of Trump/MAGA and a different standard for the likes of ANTIFA and BLM - from which we can conclude which way the pendulum swings.



LOL brah you trippin'

The absolute demonstration of the difference between Trumpy fascists who you support, and therefore I judge you, and the BLM protestors (Antifa is a fucking stupid madeup word and a slur and I dont use it - suffice to say that the best example of what an antifascist is, is demonstrated by, oh, I dunno, the ENTIRE Second World War)... anyway, to my point: the difference between the fascists and fascist wannabes and the BLM protests is the two photographs. When black people and poor people were protesting there were National Guard lined up shoulder to shoulder outside the Capitol. When the fascists were massing the po po were MIA. Except the ones storming the building they swore an oath to protect. I'll leave you to google it. Or would you rather look at your god-emperor's inauguration photos where he had a crowd over a million strong that was the biggest, best and brightest inauguration crowd of any president at any time?

Let me give you some free advice. Being a trumpy apologist is to be on the wrong side of history, the wrong side of civil society, and to be ridiculed and mocked from now unto evermore. You're not stupid, just fucking deluded, and it's sad.

[TheDemonLord]

Ohhh, na uhhh ahhh! despite your carefully placed banana skins and racing around the paddock making hay for future straw man arguments - I'm not falling for it. My opinion should have no bearing on what is a simple question aimed at you to gain your opinion. (It is actually worse than I thought after watching the video you commented on below). Now I know full well it is a tricky one to give a free pass to Trump for, which is why I'm enjoying asking it. You ponied up with Trump, you must of known the hard questions would come sooner or later. So try not to spin it one way or another, if Trump crossed the line for you, why not share it? If there was no line crossed as far as you are concerned, it does really lay to waste any BLM Anitifa riots you were jumping all over. :bleh:

I'm quite pleased with that answer - because it allows me to do this:

This is from Trumps 'incitement speech' - and this is the part where he tells the crowd to go Protest (this is from the Al Jazeera Transcript):


We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawfully slated. I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.

Now, I want to counterpoint that with a Verbatim with oh, let's say Kamala Harris after the BLM Riots (which Burned down property, killed many more people)


It's little wonder that people are taking to the streets, and I support them

One is calling for explicitly peaceful protest, asking that voices be heard. The other is unequivocally supporting riots that burned down millions of dollars worth of property and killed 20+ people.

My stance is this - Having read the transcript of Trump's speech, He explicitly states he wants a Peaceful protest. I cannot square that with the accusation of Incitement of Insurrection.

Further to that though, if this is the standard of incitement that the Left want to set - then every single one of them is guilty of it by their own definitions.

As for what I want/think - Set the rules and apply them equally to everybody would be good for a start, this one rule if you are a MAGA supporter but a different one if you are BLM/ANTIFA will end in a shooting war.

[TheDemonLord]

LOL brah you trippin'

The absolute demonstration of the difference between Trumpy fascists who you support, and therefore I judge you, and the BLM protestors (Antifa is a fucking stupid madeup word and a slur and I dont use it - suffice to say that the best example of what an antifascist is, is demonstrated by, oh, I dunno, the ENTIRE Second World War)... anyway, to my point: the difference between the fascists and fascist wannabes and the BLM protests is the two photographs. When black people and poor people were protesting there were National Guard lined up shoulder to shoulder outside the Capitol. When the fascists were massing the po po were MIA. Except the ones storming the building they swore an oath to protect. I'll leave you to google it. Or would you rather look at your god-emperor's inauguration photos where he had a crowd over a million strong that was the biggest, best and brightest inauguration crowd of any president at any time?

Let me give you some free advice. Being a trumpy apologist is to be on the wrong side of history, the wrong side of civil society, and to be ridiculed and mocked from now unto evermore. You're not stupid, just fucking deluded, and it's sad.

Okay then.

What Fascism - and I want some really specific examples, feel free to reference Mein Kampf or Mussolini. When has Trump advocated that the State is a Moral actor?

But let's reverse it shall we: a Single 'riot' is called an Insurrection attempt, whereas annexing part of a city and declaring it ceceeding from the US is called a peaceful protest.

In portland and Kenosha the riots were allowed to continue for multiple days, yet curiously after Joe Biden 'won' - they were quashed - funny that.

[TheDemonLord]

I asked you about the Machinery of power, remember? They were working in ways to get Biden in quickly you said, as if there was some force to be reckoned with that you are aware of.

Apologies for misunderstanding which bit you were talking about - In that case it's the American equivalent of the Civil Service, the 'Lets get Biden in and everything goes back to normal' government worker types.

The winder 'Machinery of Power' however is what I was more generally referring to.


When challenged to identify this powerbase you start blithering on about lefty school teachers or somesuch.

But I did Identify it....


You've got nothing to back up that horseshit claim and you know it.

State your standard of Proof then, I'll be happy to meet it.

[Grumph]

If this person - TDL - has in fact stood for elected office - and failed - then my opinion of the voting public of NZ goes up quite a bit.

Not ticking that box on the paper was very probably the wisest decision some of them have ever made.

[F5 Dave]

That was mashedpotatohead, but indeed also a wise choice.

[husaberg]

If this person - TDL - has in fact stood for elected office - and failed - then my opinion of the voting public of NZ goes up quite a bit.

Not ticking that box on the paper was very probably the wisest decision some of them have ever made.

Like trump, The only thing TLDR has ever stood for is the fact that no matter how clearly wrong you are you must never admit it, when you can instead pretend its an epic win and that you were robbed
by the lefty media,
the lefty government,
shadowy lefty conspiracist
lefty women,
lefty immigrants.
Like his demigod Don, his hunchs based on debunked information he believes should be far more compelling than any evidence.
He knows more than the FBI any judge or any expert.

[Bonez]

Like trump, The only thing TLDR has ever stood for is the fact that no matter how clearly wrong you are you must never admit it,.
OOOh the irony:wings:

Just saying....

[pritch]

Being a trumpy apologist is to be on the wrong side of history, the wrong side of civil society, and to be ridiculed and mocked from now unto evermore. You're not stupid, just fucking deluded, and it's sad.


Amen. :whistle:

[Bonez]

History is never finished. How many times has history proven to be a fabrication created by those in power at the time centires later,

Just saying...:facepalm:

[TheDemonLord]

If this person - TDL - has in fact stood for elected office - and failed - then my opinion of the voting public of NZ goes up quite a bit.

Not ticking that box on the paper was very probably the wisest decision some of them have ever made.

Not me.

To do so would mean going for NZ Citizenship - and to be honest I'd be a terrible politician.

Great and Benevolent Dictator, but Terrible politician.

[TheDemonLord]

Like trump, The only thing TLDR has ever stood for is the fact that no matter how clearly wrong you are you must never admit it, when you can instead pretend its an epic win and that you were robbed
by the lefty media,
the lefty government,
shadowy lefty conspiracist
lefty women,
lefty immigrants.
Like his demigod Don, his hunchs based on debunked information he believes should be far more compelling than any evidence.
He knows more than the FBI any judge or any expert.

When have I mentioned Immigrants?
In this particular election cycle when have I mentioned anything to do with Women?

There is nothing 'Debunked' about the objective fact that there were numerous unprecedented occurrences in this election cycle and numerous 'once in 100 years' events. The only time I offered something up which has since been debunked was when I was commenting on the claims made in one of the hearings about the number of Ballots sent vs ballots received and if you bothered to read what was actually written I added the condition 'If this is true'.

So keep up making shit up.

[TheDemonLord]

I read a comment (paraphrased) by Nigel Farage (love him or hate him) that I think something that people should seriously consider:

"The 'persecution' of Trump now that they have won will make him a Martyr in the eyes of his supporters"

[pritch]

I read a comment (paraphrased) by Nigel Farage (love him or hate him) that I think something that people should seriously consider:

"The 'persecution' of Trump now that they have won will make him a Martyr in the eyes of his supporters"

His supporters are already living an alternate reality. One more delusion will make no difference.

[TheDemonLord]

His supporters are already living an alternate reality. One more delusion will make no difference.

I'm not sure you can call the bias that certain groups have against Trump a 'Delusion'.

[pritch]

The House has voted to impeach Trump. He has now lost the popular vote twice and been impeached twice. Truly unique.

Senate Majority Leader, soon to be Senate Minority Leader, Mitch McConnell has written a note to Republican Senators, he may vote guilty at the Senate trial, he will consider the evidence.

[nerrrd]

"The 'persecution' of Trump now that they have won will make him a Martyr in the eyes of his supporters"

Yikes, is he predicting his imminent demise??? That certainly would light the touchpaper.

Surely Congress has to be seen to do something after what happened, which was pretty significant. Plus the representatives themselves had to endure the attack in person this time, which makes it difficult for them to either ignore or forgive. Some of the more 'notorious' targets of President Trump and his rhetoric who were there are probably happy to still be alive.

President Trump stands by his rhetoric, if he won't admit some responsibility for the consequences of that rhetoric then prosecuting him for it is a reasonable course of action (in my opinion).

[Bonez]

When have I mentioned Immigrants?
In this particular election cycle when have I mentioned anything to do with Women?

There is nothing 'Debunked' about the objective fact that there were numerous unprecedented occurrences in this election cycle and numerous 'once in 100 years' events. The only time I offered something up which has since been debunked was when I was commenting on the claims made in one of the hearings about the number of Ballots sent vs ballots received and if you bothered to read what was actually written I added the condition 'If this is true'.

So keep up making shit up.In reality it is the ONLY thing the KB knitting circle ladies can do.

Remenber the old saying. "Don't argue with idiots because they will just bring you down to their level"

Just saying...

[TheDemonLord]

President Trump stands by his rhetoric,

Which was (and I quote):


to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.

[HenryDorsetCase]

which was (and i quote):

.

fuck sakes

[TheDemonLord]

fuck sakes

Oh I'm sorry - does the explicit statement from the man himself, as part of the speech that supposedly cited an 'insurrection' attempt disprove the narrative?

Here's a quick thought experiment - Consider a significant part of Trump's Voterbase.

Those 2-A loving Rednecks.

If Trump had explicitly called for it to be stormed, for them to be violent or use force - how do you think it would look? I believe something like this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuXCrLO1j3s

[FJRider]

I'm not sure you can call the bias that certain groups have against Trump a 'Delusion'.

Where is it written/suggested in this thread that the anti-Trump group are "Delusional" ... ???

[Bonez]

Where is it written/suggested in this thread that the anti-Trump group are "Delusional" ... ???
Most of the KB knitting circle definately are. Can't admit when TDL proves their statements are 100% false.

Still waiting for Shifts evidence in "plain sight". How long has that been? Over three years?

Just saying....

[TheDemonLord]

Where is it written/suggested in this thread that the anti-Trump group are "Delusional" ... ???

That's not what I meant.

Pritch said that the Pro-Trump faction are delusional, however objectively there is an anti-Trump Bias by certain group.

Pointing out that Pro-Trump people thinking the opposition have got a chip on their shoulder (that exceeds what is normal for opposition politics) against trump can't be referred to as a delusion

[FJRider]

That's not what I meant.



And I'm pointing out it's what you posted.


What you thought you meant is irrelevant.

[pritch]

Pritch said that the Pro-Trump faction are delusional, however objectively there is an anti-Trump Bias by certain group.


I would confess to a certain bias. I'm biased against grifting con men, thieves, fraudulent businessmen, draft dodging cowards, people who steal money from kids with cancer, and dopey bastards who try and pass themselves off as a stable genius. I'm against would be dictators too and Trump is all of the above. So yes, there may be bias. :whistle:

Trump is a known conman, anyone who can't see that is a mark.

[pritch]

Mike Pence for President?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0PzmRfxvz0

The Washington Post reports that Trump has instructed staff not to Pay Giuliani's legal bills and he wants to approve all Giuliani's expense claims personally. No surprises there.
Rudy might have to take his own advice and select trial by combat.

[nerrrd]

Which was (and I quote):


to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard



Sure, that was part of his speech and should be taken into consideration. But I doubt it's going to hold as much weight as the rest of it. And he wasn't the only one, and he's prone to hyperbole etc etc but he is the President, so the buck stops with him, doesn't it?

Nobody's saying he 'ordered' anyone to do anything, the charge is 'incitement'. It's a grey area, but I think it deserves examination in this extraordinary case.

[pete376403]

Sure, that was part of his speech and should be taken into consideration. But I doubt it's going to hold as much weight as the rest of it. And he wasn't the only one, and he's prone to hyperbole etc etc but he is the President, so the buck stops with him, doesn't it?

Nobody's saying he 'ordered' anyone to do anything, the charge is 'incitement'. It's a grey area, but I think it deserves examination in this extraordinary case.

that was one short line in a long rambling diatribe. He also said " But I said something is wrong here, something is really wrong, can’t have happened, and we fight. We fight like hell, and if you don’t fight like hell you’re not going to have a country anymore."

Transcript and analysis here https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/interactive/2021/annotated-trump-speech-jan-6-capitol/

[Bonez]

I can't wait until those blimmin Ruskies come out of all those hidden bases and join in.:cool:.

Just saying...

[Bonez]

It's over time for another immigent invation from down south. No someones administration put the cibosh on that. Something Obumma couldn;t do in his 8 year term.

Flint?

Just saying...

[Bonez]

First US President to step on North Korean soil. Obumma hit behind a bunker, Obumma was awrded the Noble Peace prize just for being black and for promising to start five more wars.

Just saying...

[Bonez]

Trumps team tried to boost the military. Obumma dragged it into the mud.

Just saying...

[Bonez]

Bumbling Bob and his leaders failed to remove Trump from office. Every time they failed to push Trump out they all they failed miserably.

Just saying...

[Bonez]

Trumps and Van Jones teams maged get get prison reform for minor drug offences and a lot more. Karmala Harris laughed when she said she sent blacks to prison for minor drug offences. Oh and she lie that she was an African American. Both her parents are Jamacan and she was born in Jamaca.

Just saying....

[george formby]

What?

Don't let the voices near the keyboard.

[Bonez]

You ladies are very quiet all of a sudden. Was anything I just posted wrong? Or are you'll living in a different diamention?


They do say silence is golden,

Just saying...

[Bonez]

Let us go on..

Mad Maxine insited her supporters to go and hassle Trump supports. Even at petrol stations. Some of you dumbos still think Anifa are peaceful protestors and don't even know when they and the Proud Boys were formed. When shown all the evidence-deny deny deny then put your head in the sand.

How many other President and their administration could put up with the crap they did for the first three years and still be there at the end of the term?

Just saying...

[pritch]

Trumps and Van Jones teams maged get get prison reform for minor drug offences and a lot more. Karmala Harris laughed when she said she sent blacks to prison for minor drug offences. Oh and she lie that she was an African American. Both her parents are Jamacan and she was born in Jamaca.

Just saying....

You "just saying" way too much, fuck all of which has any connection to reality. You could check how to spell her name, and then check where her parents come from. Then you might actually know something.

I don't recall her ever claiming to be African American. RWNJs said she wasn't black. Which, for accuracy, was about up there with the racist nonsense about Obama's birth certificate.

Why don't you do something more in line with your abilities, like an inventory check of your cutlery drawer perhaps?

[1/32 man]

Both her parents are Jamacan and she was born in Jamaca.
Thought her mother was Indian.

Trump the rump....liar, con artist, sexual predator, bankrupt, grifter, tight wad, cheat, pervert.......president.
America and its karma are coming together before our eyes.

[Bonez]

HUGE drug hauls. Also large human trafficing rings bought down. Hmmm

Just saying....

[sugilite]

I'm quite pleased with that answer - because it allows me to do this:


"This" just turned out to be cherry picking the one part of Trumps speech that was not inflammatory :laugh:
Then engaged in a bad case of whatabouts. Far from your best work bro :nono:

[Bonez]

Thought her mother was Indian.

.Citizen of the country she gave birth to Kalama in.

Looks like pritch's ignore function is broken lol.

Just saying...

[F5 Dave]

Not to mention those child sex rings Clinton was running. Well everyone knows that was a fact. Hooowee.

Well, gotta go oil down the pigs. And those chickens won't fuck themselves.

[Laava]

I see Boner is ramping up for another of his public tantrum overloads, 6 posts in a row followed by 8 posts on this page alone! A lot of retarded bla bla with the usual nothing behind it. My money is on less than 7 days before he is back in nappies. And how TDL, who actually does have some brains, can continually show support to Trump is something of a mystery? Maybe he should become one of those court lawyers who endlessly defend the undefendable?

[sugilite]

HUGE drug hauls. Also large human trafficing rings bought down. Hmmm

Wow, huge drug hauls you say, bet those never happened before.


First US President to step on North Korean soil. Obumma hit behind a bunker, Obumma was awrded the Noble Peace prize just for being black and for promising to start five more wars.
First dip stick to give Kim the legitimacy he was seeking. Gave up nothing to get it either. Big win for Kim. Trump didn't even work out the huge envelope Kim sent the letter in was a troll to show Trumps small hands - comedy gold, and more egg on the face of the very stable genius.


You ladies are very quiet all of a sudden. Was anything I just posted wrong? Or are you'll living in a different diamention?


We are all very busy knitting you the biggest tissue ever.




How many other President and their administration could put up with the crap they did for the first three years and still be there at the end of the term?


Because there was still more cons to play out, donate to stop the steal - suckers!


Citizen of the country see gave birth to Kalama in.


You nailed school C in babblish huh? :laugh:

[Bonez]

You ladies are a crack. Looks like F5 Dave has an opening for you old clucks.

Just saying...

[pritch]

Citizen of the country she gave birth to Kalama in.

Are you changing the subject? Who is kalama? Kalamaty Jane?


Looks like pritch's ignore function is broken lol.

Nah. I just dropped by to check if you had gained any smarts. Sadly not.


Just saying...

Again. "Just saying" too fucking much.

Have you finished that inventory check of your cutlery drawer yet? If so you could start on the clothes pegs. By colour...

[Bonez]

Fix your ignore function pritch. It is broken.

Just saying....

[1/32 man]

Think I agree with most of what Pritch and Sugilite have posted you other guys sound like down home backwoods boys.


Now I am off to eat some bigly hamberders.

[Bonez]

Think I agree with most of what Pritch and Sugilite have posted you other guys sound like down home backwoods boys.


Now I am off to eat some bigly hamberders.You do knitting as well hah lol. Welcome to the KB knitting circle lol.

Just saying...

[Bonez]

Heeey pricccch pritch pritch pritch.

Youuuur ignoooore fuction is broken.

Just saying...

[Bonez]

pritch my ignore function is functioning perfectly.

You my want to contact one of the mods so that they can fix your one.

Just saying...

[pritch]

Fix your ignore function pritch. It is broken.

Just saying....




Fix your ignore function pritch. It is broken.

Just saying....


Heeey pricccch pritch pritch pritch.

Youuuur ignoooore fuction is broken.

Just saying...


pritch my ignore function is functioning perfectly.

You my want to contact one of the mods so that they can fix your one.

Just saying...

Mods, It seems there is an annoying echo in here? Is there a site rule agianst witless spam?

[Bonez]

pritch fix your ignore function.

Just saying...

[Bonez]

Night night ladies. Try not to let your knitting needles pinch your wee figures.;)

Just saying...

[Bonez]

Good morning ladies. What are we making today?

Trying a bit of cross stitch?

Looks like it's going to be a great day for a ride. You must try it some time.:scooter:

Remember-Wining on KB all day wont keep your grumpiness away.

Just saying...

[Bonez]

Fixed your ignore function yet pritch?

It'll do wonders for your mental health you know.

Just saying....

[Bonez]

Can someone tell the result of the last Trump impeachment attempt?

Nothing? Oh good. So our media has got it wrong then.

Just saying...

[pritch]

It's not the cover of TIME but...

[Laava]

Yeah, not much chance for a Noble Piece Prize now!

[TheDemonLord]

And I'm pointing out it's what you posted.


What you thought you meant is irrelevant.

You are pointing it out absent the context that very clearly shows it is what I meant.

[TheDemonLord]

I would confess to a certain bias. I'm biased against grifting con men, thieves, fraudulent businessmen, draft dodging cowards, people who steal money from kids with cancer, and dopey bastards who try and pass themselves off as a stable genius. I'm against would be dictators too and Trump is all of the above. So yes, there may be bias. :whistle:

Trump is a known conman, anyone who can't see that is a mark.

And how many of those accusations have resulted in a criminal conviction and a sentence?

None?

Well, well, well.

This is very interesting - because when I say that I don't believe Biden won legitimately - you were extremely quick to call this conspiratorial/delusional etc. And your rational for doing so was because it hadn't been proven in Court.

I then responded that whilst I couldn't meet the beyond all reasonable doubt threshold, I was happy with a preponderance threshold and you scoffed at that.

And yet... Now you are doing the same thing - stating an opinion on something that is not backed by a criminal conviction - How shall I respond?

Do I judge you by the standards that you set for others and call you delusional and conspiratorial? That would certainly have a nice Karmic ring to it.
Do I judge you by the standards that I hold for myself and accept that if you view certain evidence from a certain perspective one could come to that conclusion?

However I think that merely pointing out this Bias and Double-Standard, which reinforces one of my points that there is a different set of rules is more than sufficient.

[Bonez]

And how many of those accusations have resulted in a criminal conviction and a sentence?

None?
.She just puts her fingers in her ears, closes her and says " Can't hear you. Can't hear you. Can't..... on infernitum.


And pritchs ignore function is broken.:lol:

Just saying...

[TheDemonLord]

Sure, that was part of his speech and should be taken into consideration. But I doubt it's going to hold as much weight as the rest of it. And he wasn't the only one, and he's prone to hyperbole etc etc but he is the President, so the buck stops with him, doesn't it?

To me, it's the most relevant part - since it's the section where he directly incites the crowd to an action, and in that statement it is explicitly, crystal clear that he wants a Peaceful protest and for Voices to be heard.

But I feel the bottom comment is the more interesting one:


Nobody's saying he 'ordered' anyone to do anything, the charge is 'incitement'. It's a grey area, but I think it deserves examination in this extraordinary case.

Let me start by hypothetically agreeing with this impeachment.

I could hear an argument that says something along the lines of 'as a public figure, you should have known better' - And if that is the standard that the society wishes to adopt, fair enough...

But that standard must be applied equally - which would mean pretty much every single Democrat who encouraged people to go out and Protest with BLM after the protests had turned into riots, with people murdered and buildings burned down - they too, must be held accountable by that same standard.

Off the top of my head - that means Kamala Harris, Nancy Pelosi, every member of 'the squad', Joe Biden, Half of Hollywood etc. etc. all made statements encouraging people to take part in the riots.

So, this leaves me at the point of saying simply this:

Based on what was actually said, as per the transcript, this Impeachment is weaker than the last and it really betrays how 'confident' the Democrats are with their position (and one might posit a suggestion that this is the manifestation of a guilty conscious...).

However, if they want to set that Standard for Public figures, I'm fine with it - so long as they judge themselves by the same standard they judge others.

[Bonez]

Thank goodness Trump bought all those troops from overseas to protect the Capitol during Bidens inorgaration(sp). Trumps inorgiration(sp) didn't need that for some reason.:bleh:

Despite the crying opposition bitches tuirning up en mass.


Just saying....

[TheDemonLord]

that was one short line in a long rambling diatribe. He also said " But I said something is wrong here, something is really wrong, can’t have happened, and we fight. We fight like hell, and if you don’t fight like hell you’re not going to have a country anymore."

Transcript and analysis here https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/interactive/2021/annotated-trump-speech-jan-6-capitol/

It's the most relevant line, since it's the one that has a direct call to go do the specific action.

However - the usage of the word 'Fight' in American Political vernacular isn't anything new or anything that is unique to Trump. The left have been banging on about Fighting for their right to be heard, fighting for this country against trump, Fighting for their right to Paaaaaaaarty etc.

So as above to Nerrrd - Let them set the standards by which they want to judge Trump, but they had best be ready to judge themselves by the same rules, otherwise they might find that the populace does that for them....

[TheDemonLord]

"This" just turned out to be cherry picking the one part of Trumps speech that was not inflammatory :laugh:
Then engaged in a bad case of whatabouts. Far from your best work bro :nono:

It's the line where he directs the crowd to do something - it's the actually incitement to an action 'Go and protest this building', and in the call to action it is explicitly clear 'Peacefully and make your voices heard'.

Everything else is just a post-hoc justification or attempts and linguistic Gymnastics - there is zero ambiguity in that statement as to what the intent was.

The whataboutism is entirely relevant to my point of being different standards of behavior.

It's one rule if you taking part in an 'approved' Left Wing protest (Ignore lockdowns, secede from the US, Burn down buildings, assassinate people, etc.)
And another rule if you taking part in a 'Verboten' Right Wing Protest.

And hey - I'll settle for one standard - let both sides be judged by the same rules.

[pritch]

The Trump family are all class. It is being widely reported today that the government has paid $100,000 and counting for rental of a toilet from a neighbour of Jared and Ivanka. Javanka have six toilets in their house but will not permit the Secret Service staff assigned to their protection to use any of them. The government has been paying a neighbour rent for a studio apartment with a toilet for the security detail to use.

Next week that problem solves itself. All Trump spawn over the age of sixteen lose their Secret Service protection.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/14/ivanka-trump-jared-kushner-banned-secret-service-bathrooms

[pritch]

The arrests continue. The guy who is alleged to have hit the cop who died with a fire extinguisher has been arrested. As has the guy who was parading around the Capitol with a conferderate flag.

[Bonez]

The arrests continue. The guy who is alleged to have hit the cop who died with a fire extinguisher has been arrested. As has the guy who was parading around the Capitol with a conferderate flag.pritch your ignore function is STILLbroken.

Just saying...

[pritch]

This is good. The original suggestions were that this quick thinking cop should be awarded a Congressional Medal of Honour. That would not be appropriate, that's a military award. It seems some politicians are pushing for him to receive the Congressional Gold Medal, a very high ranking and rarely awarded medal.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/lawmakers-push-for-awarding-capitol-police-officer-eugene-goodman-congressional-gold-medal/ar-BB1cLcXy

[FJRider]

You are pointing it out absent the context that very clearly shows it is what I meant.

I have replied to your post. The context was clear.

Your point in the original post I quoted is still unclear. All you said about it was "It's not what you meant" .. What DID you mean by that post .. ??

Clearly you fucked up.

[Bonez]

That's it ladies. Knit one, perl one etc. Well done.

Some you will have that inpentatrable invicible cloke ready for furture US President Joe Biden.

Just saying....

[Bonez]

I have replied to you post. The context was clear.

Your point in the original post I quoted is still unclear. All you said about it was "It's not what you meant" .. What DID you mean by that post .. ??

Clearly you fucked up.I believe the word you are looking for is Y O U R.

I'm glad I could help out.

You have got to be careful when posting in this thread or else pritch will be on your back like Quasimodos hump on his huntched back.


Just saying...

[TheDemonLord]

The arrests continue.

Indeed, they do... (https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/news/releases/ag-paxton-san-antonio-election-fraudster-arrested-widespread-vote-harvesting-and-fraud-0)

[TheDemonLord]

I have replied to you post. The context was clear.

Your point in the original post I quoted is still unclear. All you said about it was "It's not what you meant" .. What DID you mean by that post .. ??

Clearly you fucked up.

You sought clarification, I provided it.

No one else (either through apathy or comprehension) raised this, so....

[sugilite]

It's the line where he directs the crowd to do something - it's the actually incitement to an action 'Go and protest this building', and in the call to action it is explicitly clear 'Peacefully and make your voices heard'.

Everything else is just a post-hoc justification or attempts and linguistic Gymnastics - there is zero ambiguity in that statement as to what the intent was.

The whataboutism is entirely relevant to my point of being different standards of behavior.

It's one rule if you taking part in an 'approved' Left Wing protest (Ignore lockdowns, secede from the US, Burn down buildings, assassinate people, etc.)
And another rule if you taking part in a 'Verboten' Right Wing Protest.

And hey - I'll settle for one standard - let both sides be judged by the same rules.
You seriously think the duck dynasty gang put as much effort into analyzing the presidents words as you do, or just hear it as he says it - deliberately knowing how his supporters will interpret what he has just told them to do?
So you think that attacking the halls of government while all the pollies are inside doing their thing is directly comparable to a BLM protest in Portsmouth?
Check out the video below of one of trumps most devout enablers and followers Nick Malvenay describe why this scenario was a bridge to far. He certainly knows Trump better than you ever will. Interesting that one of Trumps biggest butt kissers has a higher sense of decency than you. Your defend your own position at all costs stance is making you a fool good sir.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-k1u6WfKvo

[TheDemonLord]

You seriously think the duck dynasty gang put as much effort into analyzing the presidents words as you do, or just hear it as he says it - deliberately knowing how his supporters will interpret what he has just told them to do?

What is there to analyze?

Even the 'Duck Dynasty gang' understands 'Peacefully'.

I've heard the speech, it's clear and unequivocal.

Unless there's something equally concrete that you can provide (and we both know that were such a statement in existence, it would be played on loop 24/7 on all the lefty news channels), then you have nothing.


So you think that attacking the halls of government while all the pollies are inside doing their thing is directly comparable to a BLM protest in Portsmouth?

No, I think the BLM protests were far worse because they were allowed to continue for multiple days/weeks, resulted in far more Damage in terms of a $ amount and a greater loss of life.

Plus I've read about the end-result of every Communist revolution.

And I again point to the fact that given the inferred level of firepower available to the 'Duck Dynasty Gang' (and as an example - I refer you to the Michigan 2A Rally) - this cannot be in any seriousness called an insurrection attempt.


Check out the video below of one of trumps most devout enablers and followers Nick Malvenay describe why this scenario was a bridge to far. He certainly knows Trump better than you ever will. Interesting that one of Trumps biggest butt kissers has a higher sense of decency than you. Your defend your own position at all costs stance is making you a fool good sir.


What is there to defend at all costs? This is 1984-esque double-speak, that when someone says peacefully, there's an assertion that the crowd understood it to mean violently.

As for the likes of the Republicans turning on Trump - You see someone decent who is following their principles. I see someone who is hoping that the Crocodile will eat them last.

[sugilite]

What is there to analyze?

Even the 'Duck Dynasty gang' understands 'Peacefully'.


They demonstratively did not!


No, I think the BLM protests were far worse because they were allowed to continue for multiple days/weeks, resulted in far more Damage in terms of a $ amount and a greater loss of life.
And I again point to the fact that given the inferred level of firepower available to the 'Duck Dynasty Gang' (and as an example - I refer you to the Michigan 2A Rally) - this cannot be in any seriousness called an insurrection attempt.
You are clearly not factoring in how the pollies like to protect their own skin!
Both the dems and repubs used the BLM riots for their own political means. They take a different view when they are the ones directly effected. You can spout all your other stuff as much as you like - meanwhile in the real World.....



What is there to defend at all costs? This is 1984-esque double-speak, that when someone says peacefully, there's an assertion that the crowd understood it to mean violently.

As for the likes of the Republicans turning on Trump - You see someone decent who is following their principles. I see someone who is hoping that the Crocodile will eat them last.
Well, you summed it up better than I ever could in your reply! You see one instance of the word "peacefully" then cling onto it like it is the last life ring from the titanic, conveniently ignoring the tsunami of inflammatory speech framed all around it. And I NEVER attributed as being anyone decent. They know when their leader has gone to far, you just use it as a way to carry on your favorite pastime - arguing your own position.


Thank goodness Trump bought all those troops from overseas to protect the Capitol during Bidens inorgaration(sp). Trumps inorgiration(sp) didn't need that for some reason.:bleh:

Despite the crying opposition bitches tuirning up en mass.


Just saying....
Because the losing dems know how to behave and accept loss - so no need for anti riot police. Your statement says more about the crazy duck dynasty right wing loonies than anything else.


It's the most relevant line, since it's the one that has a direct call to go do the specific action.

However - the usage of the word 'Fight' in American Political vernacular isn't anything new or anything that is unique to Trump. The left have been banging on about Fighting for their right to be heard, fighting for this country against trump, Fighting for their right to Paaaaaaaarty etc.

So as above to Nerrrd - Let them set the standards by which they want to judge Trump, but they had best be ready to judge themselves by the same rules, otherwise they might find that the populace does that for them....

Yet, many, many of Trumps closest allies have resigned their positions because Trump crossed a very, very serious line - but then they don't have your "defend your position at all costs" affliction I guess, well they likely do, just not as bad as yours!

[pritch]

Fiona Hill is a specialist in this field, she knows her onions. It's a long read but very good. Well worth the time.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/01/11/capitol-riot-self-coup-trump-fiona-hill-457549

[Bonez]

Fiona Hill is a specialist in this field, she knows her onions. It's a long read but very good. Well worth the time.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/01/11/capitol-riot-self-coup-trump-fiona-hill-457549Corn field?

Fix your ignore function pritch.

Just saying...

[pritch]

Well, you summed it up better than I ever could in your reply! You see one instance of the word "peacefully" then cling onto it like it is the last life ring from the titanic,


Trump reportedly referred to fight or fighting over twenty times in his speech. Then there were the exhortations to be strong etc. His warm up acts including Jr and Rudy similarly used inflammatory language. "Trial by combat?" I'd be interested to hear the peaceful connotation of that. (Not really.)

In the catered marquee where Trump's hangers-on gathered to watch proceedings, Jr referred repeatedly to fight or fighting. Even Kimberly Guilfoyle chimed in urging fight.

Then there's the rather startling news that a number of the Trump supporting Republican politicians took groups of extremists on conducted tours of the Capitol building the day before the coup attempt. One is even accused of sending messages indicating the whereabouts of Nancy Pelosi during the 'storming' of the Capitol.

Oh, and on social media the event was known as "the storm". Definitely peaceful.

[TheDemonLord]

They demonstratively did not!

Okay...

Jump off a Bridge.

Have you jumped yet?

No? Then you are agreeing that someone can say something, have a very clear and specific meaning and people do the very opposite of what was told to them.

Glad we cleared that up. Incidentally, that's kinda the point of Incitement - when someone tells a group to go do something, and they do that thing.

Not when they tell them to do one thing and they do the opposite.


You are clearly not factoring in how the pollies like to protect their own skin!
Both the dems and repubs used the BLM riots for their own political means. They take a different view when they are the ones directly effected. You can spout all your other stuff as much as you like - meanwhile in the real World.....

I agree about being used as useful idiots, but that doesn't negate the fact that these riots happened in Democrat controlled areas and resulted in a greater loss of life an destruction of Property. I hold that to be worse.

Especially when we compare what a serious insurrection could have looked like (Michigan 2A protest) - that being 10,000 heavily armed citizens making an implicit threat of violence towards the Government.

Even funnier - if you listen to some of the people who were involved in the riot - the Florida Man who stole the Lecturn? Hasn't voted since 2006 and has also attended BLM protests. Another said he was in the Oregan room where a bunch of people were smoking Weed - they really sound like your typical Redneck republicans - who are well known for loving the Devil's Cabbage....


Well, you summed it up better than I ever could in your reply! You see one instance of the word "peacefully" then cling onto it like it is the last life ring from the titanic, conveniently ignoring the tsunami of inflammatory speech framed all around it.

Because it's the part where he tells the crowd to go and do something. It's literally the most important part of the speech for the accusation and the fact that in the literal same breath he says to do so peacefully.

It's not like he's all "Lets go to the Capitol" and then 5 minutes of additional talking and then tacks on an addendum at the end, muttering under his breath " oh and uh... Do it peacefully", it's in the very same sentence.

You say there is all this inflammatory speech - Show me a line that directly contradicts his peaceful statement and is outside of the usual bounds of rhetoric used in American Political discourse.

I simply fall back on - if such a statement existed, it would be played nonstop on every news channel.


Because the losing dems know how to behave and accept loss

Oh, Fuck right off.

They've been acting like petulant children since Saint Hillary was beaten. They did not and have not accepted the loss since 2016.


Yet, many, many of Trumps closest allies have resigned their positions because Trump crossed a very, very serious line - but then they don't have your "defend your position at all costs" affliction I guess, well they likely do, just not as bad as yours!

I see people who are trying to shift with a changing of the winds - but as I said, all they will achieve is being eaten last.

[TheDemonLord]

Trump reportedly referred to fight or fighting over twenty times in his speech. Then there were the exhortations to be strong etc. His warm up acts including Jr and Rudy similarly used inflammatory language. "Trial by combat?" I'd be interested to hear the peaceful connotation of that. (Not really.)

Nothing we haven't heard from Politicians on every side of the aisle.

Let's go with some of Joe's quotes:


I beat the hell out of everybody


I'm ready to fight


One reason you need old hands is the old hands know where the old bodies might be buried.

If we take the same interpretation that you need to have with Trump's speech and apply it to Joe - well that's admitting to Serial Killing and being an accessory after the fact.



Then there's the rather startling news that a number of the Trump supporting Republican politicians took groups of extremists on conducted tours of the Capitol building the day before the coup attempt. One is even accused of sending messages indicating the whereabouts of Nancy Pelosi during the 'storming' of the Capitol.

Oh, and on social media the event was known as "the storm". Definitely peaceful.

What Extremists?

I'll grant you the calling of them Extremists on account of their decision to riot, but we both know that isn't what you meant. So, what about their Political views or statements are Extremist.

Even the Q-Shaman (the Dude with the Tatts and the Bull horn hat thing) - whilst I think he's as loopy as a roller-coaster - Doesn't talk like a Hardline ideological extremist, more like someone who's dropped one or more tabs of acid and is enjoying 5 minutes of fame.

[nerrrd]

Well I've now tried to read the whole Rally speech, but must confess that I had to skim some parts, it's over 10,000 words.

So I don't think it's unreasonable to weigh the other 9,978 or so against the 22 that comprises the 'peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard' bit.

Having said that, I couldn't see any explicit calls for violence. But while we're cherry-picking, there's a lot of this kind of thing:


Our country has had enough. We will not take it anymore, and that is what this is all about.


There’s never been anything like this. We will not let them silence your voices. We’re not going to let it happen.


We want to go back, and we want to get this right, because we’re going to have somebody in there that should not be in there, and our country will be destroyed. And we’re not going to stand for that.


Because you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong.


You will have an illegitimate president. That is what you will have, and we can’t let that happen.

I would argue he's also 'calling for action' in each of these quotes. So again, I think there's a case to answer.

[sugilite]

Okay...


Oh, Fuck right off.

They've been acting like petulant children since Saint Hillary was beaten. They did not and have not accepted the loss since 2016.

Holy shit man, you are so far gone you took the Bonez bait! Not even Bonez took the Bonez bait :laugh:
Anyways, you really are too far gone on this latest Trumpsaster, it would be irresponsible of me to indulge your condition further.

[TheDemonLord]

Well I've now tried to read the whole Rally speech, but must confess that I had to skim some parts, it's over 10,000 words.

So I don't think it's unreasonable to weigh the other 9,978 or so against the 22 that comprises the 'peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard' bit.

Having said that, I couldn't see any explicit calls for violence. But while we're cherry-picking, there's a lot of this kind of thing:

You have an Explicit call for peaceful and (by your own admission) no explicit call for violence.

And you wonder why people like me might say that some of the fiery rhetoric is being uncharitably interpreted by people with a clear Axe to grind



I would argue he's also 'calling for action' in each of these quotes. So again, I think there's a case to answer.

Definitely - he's calling for Peaceful protest ;)

[TheDemonLord]

Holy shit man, you are so far gone you took the Bonez bait! Not even Bonez took the Bonez bait :laugh:
Anyways, you really are too far gone on this latest Trumpsaster, it would be irresponsible of me to indulge your condition further.

Double standards piss me off.

I see a very very very very clear one here.

And Statements like that are going to get a swift and blunt reaction. Perhaps if the Democracts had been lilly white for the last 4 years, Maybe they would have a leg to stand on.

[nerrrd]

You have an Explicit call for peaceful and (by your own admission) no explicit call for violence.

And you wonder why people like me might say that some of the fiery rhetoric is being uncharitably interpreted by people with a clear Axe to grind



I think it's how it was interpreted by the rioters which might be the crux of the matter.



Definitely - he's calling for Peaceful protest ;)

He might have mentioned that more than once then.

[TheDemonLord]

I think it's how it was interpreted by the rioters which might be the crux of the matter.

And how does one determine that? By observing them rioting? If that's the standard of proof then anyone who ever says anything publicly and has one or more people do something illegal that can be linked to what they said is liable - not exactly an ideal situation, wouldn't you agree?

What's really interesting is when you read or listen to some of the interviews had with people who rioted - one repeated sentiment was (paraphrased) 'If they can do this in Portland, then why can't we do it here?'

To be clear, Rioting is bad, no one should riot - It seems clear though that it wasn't Trump's words that spurned them to riot, but the actions of Democrat state governors...

Should they be liable if their actions have a causal link to the decision to protest?


He might have mentioned that more than once then.

He mentioned it when it was relevant, at the point he invoked them to go somewhere and do something. In subsequent statements he's reiterated the peaceful part of it.

[Bonez]

Now now ladies you must stop listening to those nasty nasty little voices in your heads. You end up with narcissistic tendencies such as stalking ones fellow KB members

Just saying,,,

[1/32 man]

The ongoing continuous misinformation /lies by trump over a long period of time has definitely ignited and inflamed crazy actions by his base/ crew/ people.
You know that theory, tell the lie long enough and loud enough and eventually it becomes truth? Well it has obviously become truth for many of his uneducated and unintelligent and non free thinkers in his mob.

[Bonez]

Indeed, they do... (https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/news/releases/ag-paxton-san-antonio-election-fraudster-arrested-widespread-vote-harvesting-and-fraud-0)Isn't that a sweet irony?

Just the tip of the iceberg I bet.

Just saying...

[nerrrd]

And how does one determine that? By observing them rioting? If that's the standard of proof then anyone who ever says anything publicly and has one or more people do something illegal that can be linked to what they said is liable - not exactly an ideal situation, wouldn't you agree?

What's really interesting is when you read or listen to some of the interviews had with people who rioted - one repeated sentiment was (paraphrased) 'If they can do this in Portland, then why can't we do it here?'

To be clear, Rioting is bad, no one should riot - It seems clear though that it wasn't Trump's words that spurned them to riot, but the actions of Democrat state governors...

Should they be liable if their actions have a causal link to the decision to protest?

Interesting indeed, but unfortunately for the President there's a much stronger causal link between his rally and the rioting. As in many of the rioters attended his rally, listened to his speech, walked down Pennsylvania Avenue (about a mile apparently) and then stormed the Capitol. In front of a lot of cameras (including their own). I'm guessing there weren't any Democratic State Governors there giving speeches at the time.


He mentioned it when it was relevant, at the point he invoked them to go somewhere and do something. In subsequent statements he's reiterated the peaceful part of it.

Thereby making the rest of the speech irrelevant? I'm not convinced. I don't think I'm the only one.

[testastretta]

Double standards piss me off.

I see a very very very very clear one here.

And Statements like that are going to get a swift and blunt reaction. Perhaps if the Democracts had been lilly white for the last 4 years, Maybe they would have a leg to stand on.

I have read the entire transcipt. What a fucking chore that was! Impossible to read it without that orange cock gobblers voice in my head.

Now, do you believe the claims of voter fraud that he blabbers about ( dead people, underage voters, more ballots than registered voters blah blah blah)? All of which are easily debunked
Do you believe the shitstain that has complained of a rigged election for years before the election even took place?
Or do you believe election officials, both Democat and Republican that have said there is no evidence of significant voter fraud?
And no need to give your generic "statistical anomolies" answer.
Do you REALLY believe what Trump said?

You do of course have to say Yes. To say no would be to admit what the sane people of this world know. That Joe Biden won the presidential election by a landslide in a free and fair election and that Trump is doing his level best to stoke anger and division because he cant handle losing.

[TheDemonLord]

Interesting indeed, but unfortunately for the President there's a much stronger causal link between his rally and the rioting. As in many of the rioters attended his rally, listened to his speech, walked down Pennsylvania Avenue (about a mile apparently) and then stormed the Capitol. In front of a lot of cameras (including their own).

He said he wanted Protest - okay, fair.

Let's put aside the Peaceful part for the moment - When the people tell you that one of the reasons for Rioting was because 'the other side could get away with it', not 'Trump's speech got me so fired up I just needed to HULK SMASH!' - which do you believe? What they actually tell you or what the Narrative being spun is?

And most of the interviews I've heard - the people talking are quite candid - They like Trump, they like 'Murica, they like the wall, they like their Tax cuts and they think Trump can be a bit of Knob sometimes. Not exactly fanatical extremists, under the spell of a cult-of-personality.

So given their rather straightforward answers, I think that might be a better place to start.


I'm guessing there weren't any Democratic State Governors there giving speeches at the time.

Their actions have been giving speeches since the beginning of the year.


Thereby making the rest of the speech irrelevant? I'm not convinced. I don't think I'm the only one.

You said yourself you've got nothing that is explicitly calling for violence or illegal action, versus an explicit statement to protest peacefully.

On one hand you have clear positive statement and on the other, not only do you not have a clear negative statement, there is only an inference and 'well, this is what the crowd must have thought', as if we can know the minds of everyone who rioted.

[TheDemonLord]

I have read the entire transcipt. What a fucking chore that was! Impossible to read it without that orange cock gobblers voice in my head.

Now, do you believe the claims of voter fraud that he blabbers about ( dead people, underage voters, more ballots than registered voters blah blah blah)? All of which are easily debunked
Do you believe the shitstain that has complained of a rigged election for years before the election even took place?
Or do you believe election officials, both Democat and Republican that have said there is no evidence of significant voter fraud?
And no need to give your generic "statistical anomolies" answer.
Do you REALLY believe what Trump said?

You do of course have to say Yes. To say no would be to admit what the sane people of this world know. That Joe Biden won the presidential election by a landslide in a free and fair election and that Trump is doing his level best to stoke anger and division because he cant handle losing.

Do I believe everything Trump says? No.

I've been clear on that since before the Election - he's a New Yorker - everything is the Biggest, the Best, the Greatest etc. He talks a lot of shit and he makes a lot of quips.

Do I believe Biden won fairly? No.

I've been clear on why I think that also. Too many inconsistencies in the numbers and too many 'firsts' and 'unprecedented's for me to believe it.

Those 2 statements are not mutually exclusive.

As for the Stoking Anger and Division - the Democrats have been doing their utmost as more. At each decision point they have opted to stifle, censor, deplatform etc. their opposition (about half of the country). I dare say that's stoking quite a bit of Anger wouldn't you say?

Interesting development in Texas, wouldn't you say - a single person rigging 7,000 odd votes (claimed)? Would only take a small number of those sorts of people in some key areas to change the election result. 1,000 of those people in a Population of 300+ Million and that would account for the largest single voter turn-out in history.

Very interesting, wouldn't you say?

But the final thing that I find most interesting - is taking you at your word you read the whole speech - if there was a line or collection of lines that conclusively called for violence or insurrection or lawlessness etc. I have no doubt that you would have victoriously posted them up.

I find their absence, the most interesting, wouldn't you say....

[1/32 man]

Asking once more for those lines to be posted up here makes me wonder about your powers of comprehension and inference.

The guy clearly said , fight like hell.

I don’t mind a sceptic and a doubter but going by what information is available to us mere mortals you have to say trump is a loser.

Go on, let me hear ya.

[pritch]

Thereby making the rest of the speech irrelevant? I'm not convinced. I don't think I'm the only one.

You most certainly are not.

[testastretta]

Interesting development in Texas, wouldn't you say - a single person rigging 7,000 odd votes (claimed)? Would only take a small number of those sorts of people in some key areas to change the election result. 1,000 of those people in a Population of 300+ Million and that would account for the largest single voter turn-out in history.....

You are so full off shit.
The biggest proponent of fake news isnt mainstream media, It's the fringe fucking idiots who start a youtube channel/website acting like they know something special. In reality they are just targeting gullible fucking idiots like yourself.
As you are not a citizen of this most excellent country that will never be far enough to the right for you. Perhaps you might like to fuck off to the country you are a citizen of? I'm sure they must have far more relaxed gun laws there.

[Bonez]

You are so full off shit.
The biggest proponent of fake news isnt mainstream media, It's the fringe fucking idiots who start a youtube channel/website acting like they know something special. In reality they are just targeting gullible fucking idiots like yourself.
As you are not a citizen of this most excellent country that will never be far enough to the right for you. Perhaps you might like to fuck off to the country you are a citizen of? I'm sure they must have far more relaxed gun laws there.You obviously haven't been attentive over the last 4 years ffs :nya::nya::nya::brick:

There are thousands examples of MSM flat face lying to the general. NZ MSM has been doing it all this week for goodness sake with respect to whatt is happening over in the US for goodness sake lol.


What is that? The Coventry kid and the so called "recon ranger"

AOC in front of a empty parking ot saying it was in front of an immigration detention center you say..

How about the "Gay Tupok"..

Southern immigrants "thousands" of miles from the US border you say? That can't right they are camp across the border barrier fence and pushing though border blockades...

And tons and tons more lol

Just saying....

[testastretta]

You obviously haven't been attentive over the last 4 years ffs :nya::nya::nya::brick:

Yeah probably. Been busy knitting.

[Bonez]

Yeah probably. Been busy knitting.Will fit in well with the other wrinkled moaning old crows.:msn-wink:

[FJRider]

I believe the word you are looking for is Y O U R.

I'm glad I could help out.

You have got to be careful when posting in this thread or else pritch will be on your back like Quasimodos hump on his huntched back.


Just saying...

Editing a post a member made when you reply to their post is an old trick. I've even done it to you.




Just saying ...

[FJRider]

You sought clarification, I provided it.

No one else (either through apathy or comprehension) raised this, so....

You were wrong, I corrected you.

Your point is ... ???


Just saying ...

[nerrrd]

Agree with it or not, this is how Congress saw it (from the Impeachment articles):


Shortly before the Joint Session commenced, President Trump, addressed a crowd at the Ellipse in Washington, D.C. There, he reiterated false claims that "we won this election, and we won it by a landslide." He also willfully made statements that, in context, encouraged — and foreseeably resulted in — lawless action at the Capitol, such as: "if you don't fight like hell you're not going to have a country anymore." Thus incited by President Trump, members of the crowd he had addressed, in an attempt to, among other objectives, interfere with the Joint Session's solemn constitutional duty to certify the results of the 2020 Presidential election, unlawfully breached and vandalized the Capitol, injured and killed law enforcement personnel, menaced Members of Congress, the Vice President, and Congressional personnel, and engaged in other violent, deadly, destructive and seditious acts.

Having read the speech, and seen what coverage I have of the rioting, it doesn’t seem an outrageously inaccurate description of what happened. Yes it’s filtered through the lense of politics, it’s Congress; but they’re angry, and in my opinion they’re entitled to be.

[Bonez]

Editing a post a member made when you reply to their post is an old trick. I've even done it to you.




Just saying ...But I didn't you angry little man.

Just saying...

[Bonez]

Good morning you bitching ladies and grumpy little men.

What are you going to moan about today. Trump, Trump or Trump?

Rather luvly day for a skoot :yes: You should try it sometime as it's been said it's great for the mind and soul.

Well, so it's been reported by the New York Times.

Just saying...

[Bonez]

Remember you moanie mopheads it aint cool to cuss at another KB member just because they present a different pouint of view from you.

You remind me of three year old in kindy when you do so.

Just saying.....

[slofox]

You remind me of three year old in kindy when you do so.




That sounds a lot like Mr Trump, no? :whistle:

[Bonez]

That sounds a lot like Mr Trump, no? :whistle:Yip. The poor things hate Trump so much they copied his traits to a T lol.

Just saying.....

[sugilite]

Is monez ever going to leave for that ride? Better put on an extra sheep skin seat cover to protect that broken arse.

I see the Republican loving NRA are filing for bankruptcy. Should make it easier for the dems to put through some decent gun control laws. :corn:
https://i.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/300206710/nra-declares-bankruptcy-will-shift-to-texas-following-legal-battles

[R650R]

I was done from trying to rescue the Stockholm syndrome affected posters in here but this was too good not to post....

CNN interviews high ranking ANTIFA member who disguised himself as Trump supporter with a hat and was at the front row of the shooting incident along with another infiltrator.
100% pure agent provocateurs and bound to be more as these pussies never do anything without at least a couple dozen masked morons.....
This guy was already identified early in other forums and images, but here he is outed on mainstream news. Bet the ERF BEEEE EYE don't touch him though.....

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/caught-video-antifa-protester-john-sullivan-brags-posing-trump-supporter-breaking-window-us-capitol-building-riots/

[R650R]

Wow Prsident Biden is so busy building America back better he's cancelled the inauguration ceremony and told people to stay home.
Man the freee world is so lucky to have such a popular leader he didn't even have to campaign to win. And so cool he's giving the national guard herd immunity by having 1000 soldiers each from over 30 states sleep on the floor of the capital building where all the super spreader republican posters have just been.
The guy is a genius.
You know when guys are so popular like 84 million votes we just shouldn't even have elections anymore they just cause conflict. The media with their super accurate polls are better suited to picking our leaders we should just trust the, to do it.
I can't wait to see Biden build back a better America. It's high time he busted that border wall so all he corporates can have cheap labour and not have to hire over educated lazy Americans that want capitalist stuff like minimum wages and healthcare.
It's so great that we have great leaders who will make us all equal so soon. I feel so guilty of my white privilege owning a house and working for ,y money. It's so great they going to reset that so we all equal and own nothing so don't have to waste money on insurance. I'm tired of making my own decisions in life, it will be great having govt telling me which products to buy.
Flying to North Korea next week as I can't wait for the trickle down effect, I want to have nothing now. If I get any good deals on hyosung or daewoo machinery I will sell here first to my friends.
I have covid 21 vaccine e pediment already too isn I feel great never better.
I inv step all my savings in Boeing and fly on new max 800 the safest plane Korea going to buy them cheap and re brand as Earbus the sound of freedom.
Take care mo friends I have not lot internet where go next now.

[Bonez]

Whatzup you miopic moronic moaning muppets?

Remember what mummy and daddy said when you were young "Play nice with the other kids. You may need their help one day.".

You lot defiantly need help.

So stop masturbating in front of those Kamala posters hanging up on your walls and get some.

[pritch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEhlDuksAGI

[Bonez]

pritch you still haven't fixed your ignore function ffs.

Just saying...

[F5 Dave]

Wow Prsident Biden is so busy building America back better he's cancelled the inauguration ceremony and told people to stay home.
Man the freee world is so lucky to have such a popular leader he didn't even have to campaign to win. And so cool he's giving the national guard herd immunity by having 1000 soldiers each from over 30 states sleep on the floor of the capital building where all the super spreader republican posters have just been.
The guy is a genius.
You know when guys are so popular like 84 million votes we just shouldn't even have elections anymore they just cause conflict. The media with their super accurate polls are better suited to picking our leaders we should just trust the, to do it.
I can't wait to see Biden build back a better America. It's high time he busted that border wall so all he corporates can have cheap labour and not have to hire over educated lazy Americans that want capitalist stuff like minimum wages and healthcare.
It's so great that we have great leaders who will make us all equal so soon. I feel so guilty of my white privilege owning a house and working for ,y money. It's so great they going to reset that so we all equal and own nothing so don't have to waste money on insurance. I'm tired of making my own decisions in life, it will be great having govt telling me which products to buy.
Flying to North Korea next week as I can't wait for the trickle down effect, I want to have nothing now. If I get any good deals on hyosung or daewoo machinery I will sell here first to my friends.
I have covid 21 vaccine e pediment already too isn I feel great never better.
I inv step all my savings in Boeing and fly on new max 800 the safest plane Korea going to buy them cheap and re brand as Earbus the sound of freedom.
Take care mo friends I have not lot internet where go next now.
Um. . . Are you aware that North Korea is like a different country than South Korea, and mixing them up is like saying South America is the same as North America?
Sterling research there.

[Bonez]

Um. . . Are you aware that North Korea is like a different country than South Korea, and mixing them up is like saying South America is the same as North America?
Sterling research there.They are both connected via an ambilicle cord.

Oh by the way South America is many countries. You really need to brush up on your geography.

Just saying....

[F5 Dave]

There certainly seems to be a rhetoric amongst MAGAs that any behaviour is justified if they can point at another group and say well, they are worse. Typically black groups, but the same technique works when their orange Jesus does something that would usually enrage the Christian pressure groups.

So why are the disaffected white portion of 'mercan society so easily whipped into fervor? Why do the feel so hard done by?

A quick look at history shows that America (thats the North one) was grown from a backwater colony to an economic powerhouse on the back of slavery. Turns out you can make a heap of profit when you don't have to pay minimum wage or health care. . or anything, to the labour intensive industry of your choice.

These families made bulk and that privilege flowed down to land ownership and thereafter.

Of course not everyone was making benefit from this and they weren't sharing the spoils willy nilly.

So a lower social group of white people always existed.

Fast forward several generations

[pritch]

There certainly seems to be a rhetoric amongst MAGAs that any behaviour is justified if they can point at another group and say well, they are worse. Typically black groups, but the same technique works when their orange Jesus does something that would usually enrage the Christian pressure groups.

So why are the disaffected white portion of 'mercan society so easily whipped into fervor? Why do the feel so hard done by?

A quick look at history shows that America (thats the North one) was grown from a backwater colony to an economic powerhouse on the back of slavery. Turns out you can make a heap of profit when you don't have to pay minimum wage or health care. . or anything, to the labour intensive industry of your choice.

These families made bulk and that privilege flowed down to land ownership and thereafter.

Of course not everyone was making benefit from this and they weren't sharing the spoils willy nilly.

So a lower social group of white people always existed.

Fast forward several generations



The "economic anxiety" thing was crock of shit. That's a just fancy name for the same ol' racism.

That woman real estate agent who flew to DC from Texas in a chartered 'plane to attend the coup, then posted pics on social media saying she had the time of her life. After she flew home she deleted all her posts. She's now been arrested and interestingly all her social media posts are attached to the charging documents. She's appealing to Trump for a pardon.

Chartering corporate air services is not normally an indication of economic anxiety. Same for all the others who flew from all over te country to join the show.

[F5 Dave]

So the crys come. Don't tell me I have white privilege. I had to work for everything I have.

So do white people have an automatic step up? Well no.

This is possibly why they feel anger at coloured groups trying to rail against the powers. Why should they get free cash and prizes?

I hear it here when university kids seem to get financial advantage if they are Maori vs ordinary white kids. Doesn't seem fair.

So I think the real question is: are coloured people disadvantaged?
Don't know where you guys went to school but in Karori there were single digit coloured kids. Was a bit scary in college when I met all these Maori and Pacific kids. None seemed to be from rich families.

But America (norf) is a different kettle of fish again. Krist they had apartheid till 1968. That was the year I was born for fucking down the sink. How fucked up is that?

Let's be a bit honest with ourselves here. It will take generations to try equalise that sort of shit.

[F5 Dave]

The "economic anxiety" thing was crock of shit. That's a just fancy name for the same ol' racism.

That woman real estate agent who flew to DC from Texas in a chartered 'plane to attend the coup, then posted pics on social media saying she had the time of her life. After she flew home she deleted all her posts. She's now been arrested and interestingly all her social media posts are attached to the charging documents. She's appealing to Trump for a pardon.

Chartering corporate air services is not normally an indication of economic anxiety. Same for all the others who flew from all over te country to join the show.

Ever used the wayback machine ? Internet archive and its not the only one. Useful to see old websites that are no longer there. Internet is not static , its dynamic.

[TheDemonLord]

You are so full off shit.
The biggest proponent of fake news isnt mainstream media, It's the fringe fucking idiots who start a youtube channel/website acting like they know something special. In reality they are just targeting gullible fucking idiots like yourself.
As you are not a citizen of this most excellent country that will never be far enough to the right for you. Perhaps you might like to fuck off to the country you are a citizen of? I'm sure they must have far more relaxed gun laws there.

Ladies and Gentlemen, The Left wing:

Telling illegal migrants to Fuck off to where they came from? "OMG XENOPHIBIC NAAAAAAAZI"
Telling a legal Permanent Resident to Fuck off to where they came from? Absolutely fine.

I would address the rest of the post, but I feel that pointing out the blatant hypocrisy based on whether someone has the 'correct' opinions is sufficient.

[Bonez]

Ever used the wayback machine ? Internet archive and its not the only one. Useful to see old websites that are no longer there. Internet is not static , its dynamic.

Wayback Machine does NOT archive every internet site out there. Never has. Where do you get this crap info from?

A weeeee informational-It was around well before Archive.org took it over.

Just saying,,,,,

[Berries]

Don't know where you guys went to school but in Karori there were single digit coloured kids.
No wonder they are shit at typing.

[R650R]

Um. . . Are you aware that North Korea is like a different country than South Korea, and mixing them up is like saying South America is the same as North America?
Sterling research there.

I NO mix up, I go north for the dark winter as peoplevtheye already used to live with lights out.
South K is to westernised and too much freedom. I go north where supreme leader Kim Jing no fuck about, he shootvuseless people do only skill people live in north.
I love communism it our future

[Bonez]

I NO mix up, I go north for the dark winter as peoplevtheye already used to live with lights out.
South K is to westernised and too much freedom. I go north where supreme leader Kim Jing no fuck about, he shootvuseless people do only skill people live in north.
I love communism it our future
:wings::wings::wings::wings::wings::wings::drinkns in:drinknsin:drinknsin:drinknsin:wari::wari::corn:

Finally this threat is getting useful.

Just saying....

[pete376403]

White american males, racism and the appeal of trump


https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-science-explains-trumps-grip-on-white-males/?fbclid=IwAR2I8FxtAxMXT8A_BZKN3OmzLudWLU7f7sPvaaMh seqm_q9AZcC0ZGVhP48

[Bonez]

White american males, racism and the appeal of trump


https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-science-explains-trumps-grip-on-white-males/?fbclid=IwAR2I8FxtAxMXT8A_BZKN3OmzLudWLU7f7sPvaaMh seqm_q9AZcC0ZGVhP48Aren't those the ones that voted for Biden?

Just saying....

[F5 Dave]

I NO mix up, I go north for the dark winter as peoplevtheye already used to live with lights out.
South K is to westernised and too much freedom. I go north where supreme leader Kim Jing no fuck about, he shootvuseless people do only skill people live in north.
I love communism it our future
So. No racist stereotyping here.

[F5 Dave]

White american males, racism and the appeal of trump


https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-science-explains-trumps-grip-on-white-males/?fbclid=IwAR2I8FxtAxMXT8A_BZKN3OmzLudWLU7f7sPvaaMh seqm_q9AZcC0ZGVhP48
Excerpt from there

When this perceived need to protect one’s identity is stoked by people in positions of power, it can turn dangerous and ugly. Identity protective cognition can lead to what Slovic and other researchers call “virtuous violence”— violence that people support or commit because they believe it is morally right. In an August 2020 study (https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/117/34/20474.full.pdf), Slovic and a team of researchers found that White conservative men were more likely than all others to support virtuous violence, and “felt socially distant from the enemy, dehumanized them, and believed that the victims were to blame for their fate.”

[1/32 man]

White american males, racism and the appeal of trump


https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...q9AZcC0ZGVhP48

I agree....male, pale and stale have had their day, actually they have had their millenia.
And what do we think of how they have done so far?...."roobish"

[pritch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRj-wJq-lu4

[Bonez]

Good night you droaning moaning muppets.

See you'll in the morning.

And pritch fix your ignore function.

Just saying...

[Bonez]

So. No racist stereotyping here.
There is this thing called humor, which you seem to lack a sence of.

It is a thing most of us humans have.

Are you not human?

Just saying.....

[Bonez]

Morning my myopic moaning muppets.(aka the KB knitting circle)

Looks like it is going to be another great day for a ride. I suggest you go for one today instead of wining on KB like a pubescent child:no:

It's good for the soul according to the Washington post.:yes:

Just saying....

[Bonez]

You ladies have been very quiet lately. Whats wrong?

Wrists hurting from all that wanking of your teeny weenies? Sorry ,I mean cunts.

Ant the latest from the MSM- Tinkerbell is dead.:wacko:

Just saying....

[Bonez]

And for your morning entertainment:


https://youtu.be/tRVqVwGWocM

WARNING!!- THIS VIDEO CONTAINS HUMOR! MAY NOT BE SUITABLE FOR KB KNITTING CIRCLE MEMBERS! USE THE PARENTAL LOCK SYSTEM IF NECESSARY!

Enjoy.....

[pritch]

This is true. Murdoch owned media causes problems everywhere it exists, and the tentacles do reach NZ.

[Bonez]

Fix your ignor function pritch.:baby:

Meanwhile I'm off for a wee ride on the XF650.:banana:

Just saying.....

[pritch]

There are mutliple reports indicating that cracks are appearing in the blue wall of silence. Off duty cops who were involved in Trump's coup attempt are being dobbed in by their colleagues.

[R650R]

So. No racist stereotyping here.

Please explain what triggered you here, it’s not racist to note that two parts of the SAME country that are the SAME race live under different conditions due to different political ideals of their chosen leaders elected in fair elections.

Your just jealous that go live north and get to enjoy full benefits of communist lifestyle before you do. Jacinda is moving to slow here, you will wait too long for equality.

You bow before our great leader Kim Jong and announce your apology. I now self identify as North Korean so no more play with race card thank you many times.

[R650R]

This is true. Murdoch owned media causes problems everywhere it exists, and the tentacles do reach NZ.

Conspiracy theorists have been saying that for years.... But oh no everyone said there’s nothing wrong with the entire worlds media (absent a sprinkling of independent publications) falling under umbrella ownership of six of the worlds richest people who predominantly descend from a certain religious background....

I do note in Stuff beggar banner that obscures their front page that they claim to be NZ Owned now.... but I don’t have the time to investigate that properly

[Bonez]

Please explain what triggered you here, it’s not racist to note that two parts of the SAME country that are the SAME race live under different conditions due to different political ideals of their chosen leaders elected in fair elections.

Your just jealous that go live north and get to enjoy full benefits of communist lifestyle before you do. Jacinda is moving to slow here, you will wait too long for equality.

You bow before our great leader Kim Jong and announce your apology. I now self identify as North Korean so no more play with race card thank you many times.:niceone::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::chase: :Punk::wari::drinkup::jerry:

Off course that little piece of humor will completely go over the top of that dickheads noggen.

Just saying......

[Bonez]

Meanwhile out in the REAL WORLD while you sorry sad sacks of shits (aka KB knitting circle members) are in your mummy's basement folk are going out riding.

Just saying.....

[pritch]

There have been many reports that Trump wanted a big military send off on the 20th. He is not attending Biden's inauguration. Apparently a twenty one gun salute waa felt appropriate to include. Some people might have thought that full military honours for a five time draft dodging coward were inappropriate. Evidently Trump's narcissism allowed him to overcome any such concerns.

Latest reports suggest that the Pentagon has declined his request. (If a Commander in Chief's wishes can be considered a request, as opposed to an order?)

He may be slinking out of DC like the loser he is.


https://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2021/01/pentagon-wont-throw-traditional-farewell-ceremony-trump/171408/

[Bonez]

Hasn't Biden cancelled his inauguration? So there is nothing to go to anyway.

FBI have warn of armed demonstrations in 52 states.

Seahorse were not needed.

Just saying....

[Kickaha]

FBI have warn of armed demonstrations in 52 states.


52 States ? when did they add a couple more ?

[Bonez]

52 States ? when did they add a couple more ?
Yesterday

The Chaotic State and the Ruinous State..

Just saying....

[Bonez]

Another State added today- The Fraudulent State.

pritch fix your ignore function.

Just saying.....

[1/32 man]

Boners you are coming across like a trump troll. I noticed that once trump was killed off on Twitter you suddenly were much more voluminous in your writing.
I am starting to think you are trump only your spelling is slightly better.
Maybe you are the chosen one?
Donny, I love you!


And the picture looks like you took it from your car... isn’t that a steering wheel that I can see?

You might notice that I am slightly acidic in my tone due to riding 300km this morning with a portion of the road being narrow, windy, bumpy, broken, rutted, gravelly, patchy, hilly....

[Bonez]

Boners you are coming across like a trump troll. I noticed that once trump was killed off on Twitter you suddenly were much more voluminous in your writing.
I am starting to think you are trump only your spelling is slightly better.
Maybe you are the chosen one?
Donny, I love you!


And the picture looks like you took it from your car... isn’t that a steering wheel that I can see?

You might notice that I am slightly acidic in my tone due to riding 300km this morning with a portion of the road being narrow, windy, bumpy, broken, rutted, gravelly, patchy, hilly.... Keep listening to the angry voices in your head young lady, If your cunt gets itchy put some Vicks Vapourrudb on it.

Just saying....

[1/32 man]

Oh come on, Donald.
Admit it....you love it here.
You are among friends so come clean and confess.
We are listening.

[Bonez]

Keep rambling on deary. You fit in to this thread just like a favorite sock on Docs cock.

You'r lucky my OCD hasn't kicked in yet lol.

Just saying....

[pritch]

Boners you are coming across like a trump troll.

Yeah, I can see he's been posting a lot lately although I haven't been reading it. He should be doing something useful with his time, like polishing his medals?


52 States ? when did they add a couple more ?

That's an interesting question. There are moves for both Puerto Rico and the District of Columbia to be states. The Dems are not oppposed but the Republicans are.
Puerto Rican people are US citizens but they don't get a vote in elections, they have no political representation.

If they became states both DC and Puerto Rico would each have two Senators, possibly all Democrat, which is why the Republicans don't much like the idea.

The US don't have to go to fifty two states, both North and South Dakota have more horses than people (in a manner fo speaking). They could usefully be combined.
West Virginia is largely impoverished and contrary to Trump's spiel, coal did not come back. West Virginia could be absorbed in to Virginia.

Biden will be very busy fixing Trump's fuck ups for the foreseeable future, so there may not be time to look at this 'housekeeping'.

[F5 Dave]

Please explain what triggered you here, it’s not racist to note that two parts of the SAME country that are the SAME race live under different conditions due to different political ideals of their chosen leaders elected in fair elections.

Your just jealous that go live north and get to enjoy full benefits of communist lifestyle before you do. Jacinda is moving to slow here, you will wait too long for equality.

You bow before our great leader Kim Jong and announce your apology. I now self identify as North Korean so no more play with race card thank you many times.

So the trigger was your broken English parady. Did you pull the sides of your eyes to narrow them as you came up with it?

[Laava]

Boners you are coming across like a trump troll. I noticed that once trump was killed off on Twitter you suddenly were much more voluminous in your writing.
I am starting to think you are trump only your spelling is slightly better.
Maybe you are the chosen one?
Donny, I love you!


And the picture looks like you took it from your car... isn’t that a steering wheel that I can see?

You might notice that I am slightly acidic in my tone due to riding 300km this morning with a portion of the road being narrow, windy, bumpy, broken, rutted, gravelly, patchy, hilly....
I think you will find that Boner is the retarded older brother of Stephen from Dunedin.

[F5 Dave]

Just click on his profile. Then select add to ignore list. If everyone does that, he ceases.to exist on KB.

[pritch]

So the trigger was your broken English parady. Did you pull the sides of your eyes to narrow them as you came up with it?

That's funny. The same thought re the eyes occurred to me.

[Laava]

Just click on his profile. Then select add to ignore list. If everyone does that, he ceases.to exist on KB.
I have him on ignore too but sometimes people quote his simple ways. Couple of pages back he had like 8 posts in a row, going on like a 3yr old after a bottle of Fanta.

[pritch]

Couple of pages back he had like 8 posts in a row, going on like a 3yr old after a bottle of Fanta.

Love the "3yr old" quote.

Another that appealed recently concerned the new MAGAt Congresswoman Boebert who insists she's going to take her gun into the chamber.
She was described as 'Inbred Barbie'.

[F5 Dave]

I have him on ignore too but sometimes people quote his simple ways. Couple of pages back he had like 8 posts in a row, going on like a 3yr old after a bottle of Fanta.

Yeah must be pretty sad when people actively don't like you.

I mean i don't agree with much R650 says but I'm sure we'd have a beer without it coming to blows.

[sugilite]

Ohhhh Donny Jr, you have been a very naughty boy - report to the principles office and no, Daddy will not likely be able to help you this time as he will be too busy fending off the Manhattan DA's office recently expanded investigations in his business interests - how sad!
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/01/15/racine-dc-attorney-general-donald-trump-jr-interview-vpx.cnn
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/15/trump-criminal-investigation-manhattan-da-probes-seven-springs-estate.html

Wow, boner is getting super agitated huh. The more acerbic he gets shows how frustrated he is getting in his abject failure to have this trump thread moved to pd. Not for lack of trying though, last to post at night, first to post in the morning and then all through the day - while still having time to go on "alleged" rides.
TDS at it's finest. :laugh:

[Laava]

Hahahahahaha!