Death toll on the roads is virtually identical to 2019

[SaferRides]

I told a guy once that use of both brakes in various circumstances is a good idea. Learning which circumstances are appropriate to which brake is the key. He told me he'll only ever use the rear brake, as he came off when he last used the front brake.

You just can't help some people.
The R1 came with the rear disc past the wear limit and a set of organic pads in the front callipers. Not an ideal setup for a sportsbike.

[rastuscat]

The R1 came with the rear disc past the wear limit and a set of organic pads in the front callipers. Not an ideal setup for a sportsbike.

Yes, but organic pads will at least keep Julie Anne Genter happy, and let's face it, that's what matters.

[roogazza]

I was out for my weekly fang yesterday . Just sitting puffing on my cigar and a fellow rocked up and started talking bikes (he apparently had a 1200 Bonneville)..
He was looking at my beast with its 320 double front discs .

The next statement explained what sort of rider I was chatting to." why don't they put those doubles on the back,I never use the front brakes !!!!!!!!!!) Fuck me !! I was shocked !

I suggested he do some sort of course. 63 yrs old, I am surprised he made it that far >>:eek5::blink:

So yes ,they are out there . :confused:

[rastuscat]

I was out for my weekly fang yesterday . Just sitting puffing on my cigar and a fellow rocked up and started talking bikes (he apparently had a 1200 Bonneville)..
He was looking at my beast with its 320 double front discs .

The next statement explained what sort of rider I was chatting to." why don't they put those doubles on the back,I never use the front brakes !!!!!!!!!!) Fuck me !! I was shocked !

I suggested he do some sort of course. 63 yrs old, I am surprised he made it that far >>:eek5::blink:

So yes ,they are out there . :confused:

I bet if you asked him if he considered learning how to use the brakes properly, he would tell you he's got by without having to know, so why does he need to learn.

One day, some tosser will pull out in front of him, I can guess how that'll go.

[F5 Dave]

Last time I used them I went over the handlebars!,!!
Well I guess that was on my pushbike but Shoot, same thing.

[scumdog]

M109, actually. And yes, the big cruiser crowd often rely on the rear, due to the weight distribution of those things.

Which exposes them to risk in an emergancy stop situation. If their habit is to only use the rear, the black mark leading to the point of impact will tell a story.

On the Harleys I've had the rear brake was only ever used on (a) emergency stop or (b) on a long slowing downhill/slightly loose surface.

Despite the 'Harley brakes are crap' crows I locked up the front on a dry sealed surface when trying to avoid a sheep that ran out on front of me unexpectedly - enough to have smoke coming off the front tyre according to those behind me.

[scumdog]

And avoiding the skid demon:facepalm:

And the festive dog...

[FJRider]

On the Harleys I've had the rear brake was only ever used on (a) emergency stop or (b) on a long slowing downhill/slightly loose surface.

Despite the 'Harley brakes are crap' crows I locked up the front on a dry sealed surface when trying to avoid a sheep that ran out on front of me unexpectedly - enough to have smoke coming off the front tyre according to those behind me.

Was it a "Stoppie" .. ??

[eldog]

Was it a "Stoppie" .. ??

Nah, sustained loss of traction.....

no grip on them there nylon tyres

[Swoop]

... will at least keep Julie Anne Genter happy...

Nothing on the face of this planet would make that retarded cunt happy.

[eldog]

M109, actually. And yes, the big cruiser crowd often rely on the rear, due to the weight distribution of those things.

Which exposes them to risk in an emergancy stop situation. If their habit is to only use the rear, the black mark leading to the point of impact will tell a story.

Often notice the cruiser bikes only have 1 brake disk on the front.
sprot bikes 2.

noticeable effect on cruisers using just rear brake.

Seeing this thread, reminds me to do some more brake practise.
stopping from speed should be practised as well as controlled steering during that time.
just replaced both sets of brake pads front and rear, much better.

more confident that I might be able to slow down whilst steering.
practise.

[caspernz]

Often notice the cruiser bikes only have 1 brake disk on the front.
sprot bikes 2.

noticeable effect on cruisers using just rear brake.

Seeing this thread, reminds me to do some more brake practise.
stopping from speed should be practised as well as controlled steering during that time.
just replaced both sets of brake pads front and rear, much better.

more confident that I might be able to slow down whilst steering.
practise.

Single disc on front of a cruiser is fine, weight bias means rear brake does more work anyway.

Hard reality is that unless someone has been trained how to brake properly, and practices regularly, then stopping distances grow quite a bit. So under pressure it's basically "oh-shit-kinda-braking" as opposed to a controlled stop :rolleyes:

If I can bring my hefty FJR to a halt from 100 in under 35 metres yet ol mate on his Farley takes twice as much distance...it is simply the operator skill/training/practice that makes the difference :brick:

I'm not 100% sure if I'm qualified to comment though :devil2: being an upholder of the standard :laugh: and perhaps a tad too passionate about road safety on 2/4 and more wheels :clap:

[FJRider]

Nah, sustained loss of traction.....

no grip on them there nylon tyres

Sustained loss of traction is a traffic offense.

And "No Grip" in the tires ... probably isn't a valid legal excuse.



Just saying ...

[Bonez]

Nah, sustained loss of traction.....

no grip on them there nylon tyresGo have a look at whats on the side wall of your motobicycle tires ffs. It wont be the word rubber.

[eldog]

If I can bring my hefty FJR to a halt from 100 in under 35 metres

something for me to aim for :niceone:

[eldog]

Go have a look at whats on the side wall of your motobicycle tires ffs. It wont be the word rubber.

its been scRUBBERed off

[eldog]

Sustained loss of traction is a traffic offense.

And "No Grip" in the tires ... probably isn't a valid legal excuse.



Just saying ...


sliding on a diesel spill or a heap of loose gravel on an intersection results in a loss of traction
no grip would be my reason then.

who would be correct?

[Bonez]

sliding on a diesel spill or a heap of loose gravel on an intersection results in a loss of traction
no grip would be my reason then.

who would be correct?You are obviously not aware of your conditions. Desol spills are relitively easy to spot because of all those pretty colors and from a ditance it is normally darker than the tarmac.. So is pee gravel if you have slowed down enough at an intersection. Of course there is always trhe posiblity of the vehicle ahead obscuring them but then you are following far too close.

Just saying....

[Kickaha]

Go have a look at whats on the side wall of your motobicycle tires ffs. It wont be the word rubber.

It might not but that is what still makes up a large portion of every tyre, both synthetic and natural rubbers

[eldog]

You are obviously not aware of your conditions. Desol spills are relitively easy to spot because of all those pretty colors and from a ditance it is normally darker than the tarmac.. So is pee gravel if you have slowed down enough at an intersection. Of course there is always trhe posiblity of the vehicle ahead obscuring them but then you are following far too close.

Just saying....

Pretty colours and gravel this is usually in small patches on T intersections
Hard to see at night

Past your bedtime?
just saying

[Big Dog]

Very narrowly missed becoming one of this years statistics last weekend, SUV merged digitally, like an on off switch.
no idea he nearly ran me over. No lookin, no gentle change, just twist the wheel.
just as well I was paying attention.

hate riding in the big smoke. Too many idiots.




Interesting.

I hear people saying that people who make driving mistakes are idiots.

Not really. If they were out of the car and sitting in a pub I'd probably have a beer with them. They are just people who made a mistake.

We tend to demonize those we seek to blame. Its something we as humans do. Its a gross generalization and one of the steps of our psyche self defence mechanism.

The reality is we demonize those we see making mistakes, but we don't see our own mistakes. Its part of being human.

All to often people forget that the only reason we have survived our own mistakes is the absence of others or their good driving in evading us.

I think if we're all honest we have all taken too brief a look at the blind spot, neglected a head check or missed a speed limit sign at our own peril just to have someone on their horn swerving / braking for us.

If we're all honest someone else has thought us a careless driver, an arsehole driver or an idiot at some point.

[george formby]

All to often people forget that the only reason we have survived our own mistakes is the absence of others or their good driving in evading us.

I think if we're all honest we have all taken too brief a look at the blind spot, neglected a head check or missed a speed limit sign at our own peril just to have someone on their horn swerving / braking for us.

If we're all honest someone else has thought us a careless driver, an arsehole driver or an idiot at some point.

Yup, totally agree. To the point that I withhold the venom when I see some bad driving, I tell myself that the person did not leave home intending to do whatever it was.

Repeated fuckwittery is worth a spray, though.

Despite the road toll and the muppetry which stands out when travelling, most folk are just going somewhere and trying to get there safely.

[Bonez]

Had a nice wee toodle this afternoon on Darky. A BIG issue is still vehicles following far too close to one another especially on tigher sections of road lioke the Pahiatua Track and the Saddle Road. Less than a car length in quite a number of instances with six or so vehicles in a row.

[Navy Boy]

Had a nice wee toodle this afternoon on Darky. A BIG issue is still vehicles following far too close to one another especially on tigher sections of road lioke the Pahiatua Track and the Saddle Road. Less than a car length in quite a number of instances with six or so vehicles in a row.

Yep - I see a lot of this here around Blenheim. In particular on SH6 with the new, lower speed limits. I think that people feel safer at lower speeds and risk compensate as a result... :no:

[SaferRides]

You see it on the southern motorway into Auckland. A line of utes and SUV's with no more than a 2 car length gap doing 120+. I usually bail to the LH lane and leave them to it.

[release_the_bees]

Some are even worse than that: during my daily commute between Glenfield and East Tamaki, I often see cars following so closely that I literally couldn't fit my bike between them (and that's in 80km/h and 100 km/h traffic). If the car in front slammed on their brakes, they wouldn't even have time to react, let alone avoid a collision.

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[rastuscat]

Some are even worse than that: during my daily commute between Glenfield and East Tamaki, I often see cars following so closely that I literally couldn't fit my bike between them (and that's in 80km/h and 100 km/h traffic). If the car in front slammed on their brakes, they wouldn't even have time to react, let alone avoid a collision.

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I've bored the crap out of my colleagues talking about how important following distance is.

Everyone has heard of the 2 second rule, how many actually use it? It would solve a lot of the safety issues we have on the roads.

But will it change? No, because everyone is so convinced they are shit hot drivers/riders, and that the laws of physics don't apply to them.

[scumdog]

I've bored the crap out of my colleagues talking about how important following distance is.

Everyone has heard of the 2 second rule, how many actually use it? It would solve a lot of the safety issues we have on the roads.

But will it change? No, because everyone is so convinced they are shit hot drivers/riders, and that the laws of physics don't apply to them.


Exactly! Although I suspect ignorance rathe than a self imposed attitude that they're a shit hot driver is more likely. (Like the lady who thought the stopping distance at 50kph was 'about one or two metres' - I guess it would be if she hit a tree.)

I often emphasise the benefit of a decent belt of air between them and the car/bike on front and abide with that myself.

[FJRider]

... I often emphasise the benefit of a decent belt of air between them and the car/bike on front and abide with that myself.

Too much of that space in front of you ... on ANY road ... seldom does you any harm. Not having enough when you need it ... often doesn't end well.

Knowing when you're going to need it might be handy ... :pinch:

[FJRider]

I've bored the crap out of my colleagues talking about how important following distance is.

Everyone has heard of the 2 second rule, how many actually use it? It would solve a lot of the safety issues we have on the roads.

But will it change? No, because everyone is so convinced they are shit hot drivers/riders, and that the laws of physics don't apply to them.

Around my way lately ... when people check their phones for texts (after they hear the chime) ... Power poles leap out in front of them and commit suicide.

Would that be another Council failure ... or a failure to do with an Electric power supplier ... ???

[Berries]

You touch on quite a valid point. Power poles are placed too close to the road and when they get hit and someone dies they simply replace them in the same spot. Having a solid pole within a few metres of a rural road is not compatible with a safe system or vision zero approach. Have never understood how they get away with it. I know a couple of sites where the replacement pole was actually closer to the road than the one that was hit.

At least we don't have to worry about it with Aurora Energy. Their poles fall over in a strong wind.

[SaferRides]

I've bored the crap out of my colleagues talking about how important following distance is.

Everyone has heard of the 2 second rule, how many actually use it? It would solve a lot of the safety issues we have on the roads.

But will it change? No, because everyone is so convinced they are shit hot drivers/riders, and that the laws of physics don't apply to them.Maybe the creative minds that did the latest drink driving ad could do something similar on following distances.

Most people simply have no idea that it's a safety issue and think that following closely is how you tell other drivers that you want to overtake. So some education would definitely help.

[pritch]

(Like the lady who thought the stopping distance at 50kph was 'about one or two metres' - I guess it would be if she hit a tree.)


This reminded me of KBer skiddie who, if memory serves, thought he could stop from 100kph in six feet.

[onearmedbandit]

Everyone has heard of the 2 second rule, how many actually use it? It would solve a lot of the safety issues we have on the roads.

But will it change? No, because everyone is so convinced they are shit hot drivers/riders, and that the laws of physics don't apply to them.

Only a fool breaks the 2 second rule. I use it all the time, not only for my own safety and that of others but because the great PB might be watching me from above. I hate tailgaters and would in the past signal my annoyance to them via subtle hand gestures (not not pulling the finger, that just infuriates them) but this was quite ineffective. Then I read of an interesting technique, spray your windscreen washer. Coming home from the Golden Bay a week back I had a guy in a 90's Terrano trying to slip stream me at 100km/h. After the 3rd time of putting his wipers on he got the idea and backed off. He passed us as we stopped in Murchison with a very clean windshield. I like to think I not only avoided roadrage but gave him some new found clarity.

[FJRider]

Only a fool breaks the 2 second rule. I use it all the time, not only for my own safety and that of others but because the great PB might be watching me from above. I hate tailgaters and would in the past signal my annoyance to them via subtle hand gestures (not not pulling the finger, that just infuriates them) but this was quite ineffective. Then I read of an interesting technique, spray your windscreen washer. Coming home from the Golden Bay a week back I had a guy in a 90's Terrano trying to slip stream me at 100km/h. After the 3rd time of putting his wipers on he got the idea and backed off. He passed us as we stopped in Murchison with a very clean windshield. I like to think I not only avoided roadrage but gave him some new found clarity.

I have an old station wagon that has it's own reservoir in the back ... that has two jets for the rear window. One jet is directly facing backwards. A bit of red dyed window cleaner in the water ... "For effect" ... they usually back off pretty quickly.

[FJRider]

This reminded me of KBer skiddie who, if memory serves, thought he could stop from 100kph in six feet.

It can be done. But it usually HURTS.

[Jeeper]

It can be done. But it usually HURTS.Do humans still feel pain after they die?

[roogazza]

Only a fool breaks the 2 second rule. I use it all the time, not only for my own safety and that of others but because the great PB might be watching me from above. I hate tailgaters and would in the past signal my annoyance to them via subtle hand gestures (not not pulling the finger, that just infuriates them) but this was quite ineffective. Then I read of an interesting technique, spray your windscreen washer. Coming home from the Golden Bay a week back I had a guy in a 90's Terrano trying to slip stream me at 100km/h. After the 3rd time of putting his wipers on he got the idea and backed off. He passed us as we stopped in Murchison with a very clean windshield. I like to think I not only avoided roadrage but gave him some new found clarity.

Haha cheeky story : as a very young apprentice mech in the 60's I was known to turn the washers forward on the workshop hack.... squirting ladies on the pedestrian crossing in town...:lol:

[pritch]

I have an old station wagon that has it's own reservoir in the back ... that has two jets for the rear window. One jet is directly facing backwards. A bit of red dyed window cleaner in the water ... "For effect" ... they usually back off pretty quickly.

When I bought my car one of the washer nozzles on the left side of the car fired water up and over the car. OAB just raised the possibilty that this was not entirely accidental.

[Scuba_Steve]

I've bored the crap out of my colleagues talking about how important following distance is.

Everyone has heard of the 2 second rule, how many actually use it? It would solve a lot of the safety issues we have on the roads.

But will it change? No, because everyone is so convinced they are shit hot drivers/riders, and that the laws of physics don't apply to them.

I don't think it's a result of people thinking that they're "shit hot drivers/riders" more a result of being stuck behind slow people (or slower than they'd like to travel) as a result of being too scared to pass due to the police gang hanging out many places including passing lanes & it's just plain dangerous to pass at the stated speed limit, so they resort to tailgating in an misguided & futile attempt to make traffic move faster.

[rastuscat]

I don't think it's a result of people thinking that they're "shit hot drivers/riders" more a result of being stuck behind slow people (or slower than they'd like to travel) as a result of being too scared to pass due to the police gang hanging out many places including passing lanes & it's just plain dangerous to pass at the stated speed limit, so they resort to tailgating in an misguided & futile attempt to make traffic move faster.

So following too close is the fault of.......the person ahead.

I'm beginning to understand a lot of your historical positions.

[Bonez]

So following too close is the fault of.......the person ahead.

I'm beginning to understand a lot of your historical positions.You misspelt hysterical ol bean.:rolleyes:

[R650R]

I've bored the crap out of my colleagues talking about how important following distance is.

Everyone has heard of the 2 second rule, how many actually use it? It would solve a lot of the safety issues we have on the roads.

But will it change? No, because everyone is so convinced they are shit hot drivers/riders, and that the laws of physics don't apply to them.

2 seconds only works for alert drivers paying attention. I find 4 works best on cars and bikes, gives you a margin for those unavoidable lapses in concentration we all have.
Also it means the slow fecker in front won’t suspect he’s about to be overtaken allowing you to ambush nicely at next safe spot and pass with momentum before they get a chance to speed up.

4 secs also works well for the same reason 7 secs does in a heavy truck, it allows you to just lift off the throttle to avoid dancing on the brake pedal, that way when you do light up your brakes the person behind you actually registers it as a new event they might need to pay attention too.

I’ve been hit three times from behind, bike car and truck, none of them were following to close, just not paying attention at all. If you watch latest instalment of Aussie dashcams there’s some cracker rears in there and all seem to be same not looking at all....


https://youtu.be/5qiFPg3DotE

[R650R]

You are obviously not aware of your conditions. Desol spills are relitively easy to spot because of all those pretty colors and from a ditance it is normally darker than the tarmac.. So is pee gravel if you have slowed down enough at an intersection. Of course there is always trhe posiblity of the vehicle ahead obscuring them but then you are following far too close.

Just saying....

Diesel is only visible when lighting conditions are favourabke for diffraction, much like how a rain shower doesn’t always make a rainbow.
It’s also not the only slippery shit that gets spilled on roads...
Bitumen also sweats some of its oils out during rain after hot weather sometimes it’s visible as a light foam other times you just see the truck in front put on his hazards and lose momentum real fast...

[george formby]

Quite often you can smell hot bitumen or diesel before seeing it, if it can be seen.

We have invisible chip seal / gravel on some roads up here, a brown scoria type stuff. I'm only aware of it when I hear it pinging off the bike. Not nice when leaning into a corner..

[Bonez]

Diesel is only visible when lighting conditions are favourabke for diffraction, much like how a rain shower doesn’t always make a rainbow.
It’s also not the only slippery shit that gets spilled on roads...
Bitumen also sweats some of its oils out during rain after hot weather sometimes it’s visible as a light foam other times you just see the truck in front put on his hazards and lose momentum real fast...
My 30 plus years of riding experiance tells me other wise. Only ever come close once on desoil but managed to recover safely thank goodness.

[Bonez]

I've bored the crap out of my colleagues talking about how important following distance is.

Everyone has heard of the 2 second rule, how many actually use it? It would solve a lot of the safety issues we have on the roads.

But will it change? No, because everyone is so convinced they are shit hot drivers/riders, and that the laws of physics don't apply to them.Set times,2- 4 or what ever and car lengths behind another car at different speeds is just class room jibberish. Each scenario is different depending in the type/amount of traffic, road surface/conditions, weather conditions, the presence of live stock, falling/falllen trees etc. There is no set time or distance behind the vehicle ahead of you.

[FJRider]

sliding on a diesel spill or a heap of loose gravel on an intersection results in a loss of traction
no grip would be my reason then.

who would be correct?

My post was tongue in cheek. Locking up the back wheel actually just causes a skid. Not in itself really illegal. Intentional or otherwise.

Hit a fuel (of any kind) spill and you may skid sideways. Not often enjoyable at the time. Personally ... I try to avoid ding that. Well ... on my FJ anyway.

And you can expect to see a fuel spill on the outside of the first few corners past fuel stations and truck stops. Some forget to replace the fuel caps after refueling. They aren't always there ... but it wont hurt you to EXPECT to see one there. If you don't look for it ... you might smell it as you slide through it.

[eldog]

.. you might smell it as you slide through it.

Would only smell FEAR......:Oops:

[FJRider]

... I'm beginning to understand a lot of your historical positions.

That sounds almost immoral ... <_<

[FJRider]

2 seconds only works for alert drivers paying attention. I find 4 works best on cars and bikes, gives you a margin for those unavoidable lapses in concentration we all have.
Also it means the slow fecker in front won’t suspect he’s about to be overtaken allowing you to ambush nicely at next safe spot and pass with momentum before they get a chance to speed up.

You're counting to fast.

Watching the approaching traffic for gaps coming up ... speeding up to time your overtake when the gap arrives ... you can be past before the bugger sees you coming ... and back at the speed limit before plod gets interested and your speed locked on.

Timing is everything. Don't get it wrong.

[R650R]

You're counting to fast.

Watching the approaching traffic for gaps coming up ... speeding up to time your overtake when the gap arrives ... you can be past before the bugger sees you coming ... and back at the speed limit before plod gets interested and your speed locked on.

Timing is everything. Don't get it wrong.

You’ve got me wrong, that’s all part of the technique as well. If your very close to someone that’s dicking around at say 80-85 then you need significant more power for successful overtake if they do the usual last minute foot down.
Whereas if you’ve already got momentum of a speed differential your horsepower is a failsafe extra margin available.
Over 2 million km of heavy truck operations, showed my back doors to more slow drivers than Elton johns seen in his lifetime... trust me it works

[george formby]

You’ve got me wrong, that’s all part of the technique as well. If your very close to someone that’s dicking around at say 80-85 then you need significant more power for successful overtake if they do the usual last minute foot down.
Whereas if you’ve already got momentum of a speed differential your horsepower is a failsafe extra margin available.
Over 2 million km of heavy truck operations, showed my back doors to more slow drivers than Elton johns seen in his lifetime... trust me it works

Yup, a bit of forward planning works wonders.

And overtaking on corners, not blind, tight ones - open, clear ones. Most folk are exceedingly reticent to overtake and steer at the same time.

[FJRider]

If your very close to someone that’s dicking around at say 80-85 then you need significant more power for successful overtake if they do the usual last minute foot down.

I ride an FJ1200. Their HP specs say they have "A significant amount" of power. Very quiet (original pipes) too at speed.

I also drove trucks (of various sizes) for many years. And I got paid by the hour ... <_<

[FJRider]

Yup, a bit of forward planning works wonders.

And overtaking on corners, not blind, tight ones - open, clear ones. Most folk are exceedingly reticent to overtake and steer at the same time.

Forward planning YES ... keen observation on approaching "Stuff" ... YES too.

The issue with overtaking on those corners ... take care. I have had a few (seemingly) unaware/uncaring that I was behind them and ready to pass. Those are the one's that cut the corner just as you are pulling out to pass. About that time ... you wish your bike was fitted with a train air horn. Or a rocket launcher ... either would work for me ... :laugh:

[Scuba_Steve]

So following too close is the fault of.......the person ahead.

I'm beginning to understand a lot of your historical positions.

Not the fault of, the result of, there is a difference.
As much as "road safety" tries to ignore human behaviour, pretend it doesn't exist; humans are still gonna behave like humans & ignoring natural behaviour won't solve anything

[scumdog]

So following too close is the fault of.......the person ahead.

I'm beginning to understand a lot of your historical positions.

The explanation above fits in with the "I HAD to get past him, he was going too slow" excuse too:laugh:

[FJRider]

Not the fault of, the result of, there is a difference.

Bullshit. Somebody in control of a vehicle at (or above/below) the prescribed speed limit ... cannot cause the person in control of the vehicle behind ... them to break any of the road rules pertaining to following distances. Any action (outside of the road traffic laws) the driver in the following vehicle takes ... does so by personal choice and can be held responsible for causing some resulting events if they take inappropriate or illegal driving actions. The onus has ALWAYS been on the overtaking driver to carry out the maneuver SAFELY. No regard is held in law as to the urgency that could be felt by the following driver to overtake. Even with a perceived emergency.


As much as "road safety" tries to ignore human behaviour, pretend it doesn't exist; humans are still gonna behave like humans & ignoring natural behaviour won't solve anything


Human behavior does not excuse law breaking. Ignoring the traffic laws on the basis of the "natural behavior" (of idiots) ... that disregard the traffic laws because ... they do not suit them at the time ... will not wash in any court of law.

[FJRider]

The explanation above fits in with the "I HAD to get past him, he was going too slow" excuse too:laugh:

A dollar for each time you heard that one ... ??

[rastuscat]

A dollar for each time you heard that one ... ??

Almost worthy of a separate post, the most commonly spoken things to cops.

Seatbelt...................."I was just putting it on".

Seatbelt.................."I always wear my seatbelt. This is the first time ever."

Stop sign.................."But I slowed down."

Stop sign................."There was nobody coming."

Cellphone..............."But it was on speaker."

Speed................"Everyone goes that fast."

Speed...................."I was overtaking." (Even when there isn't another vehicle witin 2 km)

Generic.................."Revenue collecting ***********."

Scummie, your turn.

[george formby]

Forward planning YES ... keen observation on approaching "Stuff" ... YES too.

The issue with overtaking on those corners ... take care. I have had a few (seemingly) unaware/uncaring that I was behind them and ready to pass. Those are the one's that cut the corner just as you are pulling out to pass. About that time ... you wish your bike was fitted with a train air horn. Or a rocket launcher ... either would work for me ... :laugh:

Very much so. I hesitated to post overtaking through a corner because there is so much to consider, then thought fuck it.

You high light a very pertinent point, particularly on narrower roads.

[R650R]

Almost worthy of a separate post, the most commonly spoken things to cops.

Seatbelt...................."I was just putting it on".

Seatbelt.................."I always wear my seatbelt. This is the first time ever."

Stop sign.................."But I slowed down."

Stop sign................."There was nobody coming."

Cellphone..............."But it was on speaker."

Speed................"Everyone goes that fast."

Speed...................."I was overtaking." (Even when there isn't another vehicle witin 2 km)

Generic.................."Revenue collecting ***********."

Scummie, your turn.

Yeah do it be hilarious....

Some from me, family and workmates I know of...

Me speed.........” Well my Speedo is accurate cause that’s about how fast I thought I was going too! Was just trying to put some space between me and those trucks” - good cop smiled and let me go 116k in rain on 750 after overtaking trucks Taupo 20 years ago in the good ol days.

Cousin speeding..........” I’ve got cancer just hurry up write the ticket and F$@& off I haven’t got long to live” she’s beaten the brain tumours several times and not crashed either... poor cop didn’t know what to say

Truckie mate........”Does your mother know your doing this for a living” straight out cheeky but it got both of us bypassed through checkpoint while cop went and cooled off and prob red flagged Greg in the system for life if he wasn’t already

Me speed........ “ Yep sounds about right glad I looked in mirror as was about to open it up (gsxr1100)” got 5k discount for being polite

Me truck speed/logbook with highway patrol 4am.....”No your wrong that’s not how it works *gently retained possession of logbook from cop* I don’t need to write anything in there for 5.5hrs from last rest break, I can’t draw a line while I’m driving!” Cop returns to patrol car, sulks for 20minutes then returns with my 82/70k 4am ticket....(good result as that one had a bad rep with all truckie)

[Bonez]

Almost worthy of a separate post, the most commonly spoken things to cops.

Seatbelt...................."I was just putting it on".

Seatbelt.................."I always wear my seatbelt. This is the first time ever."

Stop sign.................."But I slowed down."

Stop sign................."There was nobody coming."

Cellphone..............."But it was on speaker."

Speed................"Everyone goes that fast."

Speed...................."I was overtaking." (Even when there isn't another vehicle witin 2 km)

Generic.................."Revenue collecting ***********."

Scummie, your turn.I like where this thead is going.:lol:

I can't give you a green rep because at leasetd one mod feels the need to veiw all of my post for some reas before releasing them. If that rep was observant they would figure out that if the KB KNitting Members put me on ignor their post count drops enormously whereas mine stays around the same.:brick:

Kep the motorist accuses for breaking the law with respect to public roads.

[FJRider]

Yeah do it be hilarious....

Some from me, family and workmates I know of...

Me speed.........” Well my Speedo is accurate cause that’s about how fast I thought I was going too! Was just trying to put some space between me and those trucks” - good cop smiled and let me go 116k in rain on 750 after overtaking trucks Taupo 20 years ago in the good ol days.

Cousin speeding..........” I’ve got cancer just hurry up write the ticket and F$@& off I haven’t got long to live” she’s beaten the brain tumours several times and not crashed either... poor cop didn’t know what to say

Truckie mate........”Does your mother know your doing this for a living” straight out cheeky but it got both of us bypassed through checkpoint while cop went and cooled off and prob red flagged Greg in the system for life if he wasn’t already

Me speed........ “ Yep sounds about right glad I looked in mirror as was about to open it up (gsxr1100)” got 5k discount for being polite

Me truck speed/logbook with highway patrol 4am.....”No your wrong that’s not how it works *gently retained possession of logbook from cop* I don’t need to write anything in there for 5.5hrs from last rest break, I can’t draw a line while I’m driving!” Cop returns to patrol car, sulks for 20minutes then returns with my 82/70k 4am ticket....(good result as that one had a bad rep with all truckie)

One I heard (and I used a while back) ... to the cop asking me what was the need for the speed .. ?? I said my wife left me for a cop. I thought he was bringing her back.


He laughed ... and said .. Fair enough ... and told me to be on my way.

[release_the_bees]

I got pulled over once and asked what the hurry was. I said that I didn't think I was speeding and enquired what speed he'd clocked me at. He didn't tell me, and instead sent me on my way telling me to slow down a bit.

My wife and I (she was driving) got pulled over doing 120 km/h in a 100. She asked the police officer "please don't ticket me because I've been giving him shit all week about a speed camera ticket, and if I get a ticket I'll never hear the end of it". Naturally, he said 20 km/h was too far over the limit, and that she'd get a ticket in the mail.

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[actungbaby]

i am my most worst critic.
i push others to do more, push myself harder.
a procrastinator, with 2 left feet and a self defeating ability to do things in the reverse order.
i try to improve with everything I do.

Hard to soar like an eagle when you have no wings.

but that’s just me and why I am different to anyone elseI dont think you are mate.
I felt guilt over promises
I cant seem to keep.
Then beat myself up all the time.end the day life good.

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[actungbaby]

When I was involved in the instructing game the actual qualified instructor (ie not a pleb like me) used to tell the students that previous students were still involved in accidents. His theory was over confidence.

But not really backed up with real data. Still a good thing to instill in fledglings.Dont ask my boss few days after course .i tiped of.on some clay in a gutter covered in water.
Stretched my leg burnt my leg.
All at 10 kph.or less .3 months
Of pain in my knee .

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[actungbaby]

I don't think its that simple. I think overconfidence, if that is the driver, will manifest in many forms of risky behavior.

But I do agree with the next bit. We had people wanting to learn, and people wanting to shorten thier provisional licence, as it was back in the day. The 2nd group knew it all and could often ride quite well, from a technical point of view. I sent a couple home for dangerous stuff that put others at risk.

Which reminds me,. . .

Then there was the occasional Hardley wannabe who needed a licence and we didn't send them away for having a 1340 for the carpark stuff. But we did insist on gloves. Which they invariably weren't wearing. Better control you see. :tugger:

They never came back. Bet we were the butt of thier rants at the pub that night.

You just cant help the willfully stupid.I think you forget that accudent
Usually involves 3 key factors.
Allighing togther.you may.get away lots of stuff 99 percent of the time.just because one of those factors was another persons fault .does you no favours when ur in funneral car.
Training only preps you.mind you last week had van and trailer go right then turned left on me .hard in brakes and thank goodness i didint stare at the target .so missed hiting him just.so u guess training did work.

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[actungbaby]

I never claimed on acc .just put up with the pain work on.
Mind you never been hospital.
Had mild concussion twice.
I ride as a oroffesion so i guess
More likey get involved in stuff.

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[actungbaby]

Look only takes sec and can be curtains .i know i chould been
Taken out 30 years ago .
If somone jumps red light your gone .you chould have million courses.old guy cut right into my path its was 1 2 3 .boom.
Massive impact .i felt through
Handle bars.imposisble
To even react .

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[actungbaby]

Actually, you would hope it would Decrease their reaction times.

We used to teach a philosophy from Kenny Roberts via Twist of the wrist.

Felt board with packets of reactions. If you have those ready to hand you can put that plan in action . Brake hard. Feel for grip. Escape path.
3 packets.0.76 seconds your going stop in that time i think not.

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[actungbaby]

Actually, you would hope it would Decrease their reaction times.

We used to teach a philosophy from Kenny Roberts via Twist of the wrist.

Felt board with packets of reactions. If you have those ready to hand you can put that plan in action . Brake hard. Feel for grip. Escape path.
3 packets.Jesus on hand kart feel for grip
You must be joking .
Last week it like boom react
Its all just gut feeling .

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[actungbaby]

Escape route with ton of steel in your path yeah right.you havent exp it am glad i have .sometimes luck and thats all.

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[actungbaby]

If your braking how the fuck can you change directions .

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[FJRider]

If your braking how the fuck can you change directions .

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Depends ... if your braking includes skidding ... turning might not be an option.

You can brake hard without skidding ... and you lean into the direction best for you. As you would on any corner on a motorcycle.

[FJRider]

... Last week it like boom react
Its all just gut feeling .



Sometimes it's that exactly.


The bad news is ... in most cases you have one shot to do it. So think fast and carefully.

[eldog]

E
I never claimed on acc .just put up with the pain work on.

Had mild concussion twice.
I ride as a oroffesion so i guess


i haven’t claimed either

Is that a new job type?

had concussion several times, not something I would recommend.

brake, throttle, clutch, gear changing and steering, multi talented me, see.

[F5 Dave]

Actually, you would hope it would Decrease their reaction times.

We used to teach a philosophy from Kenny Roberts via Twist of the wrist.

Felt board with packets of reactions. If you have those ready to hand you can put that plan in action . Brake hard. Feel for grip. Escape path.
3 packets.


Jesus on hand kart feel for grip
You must be joking .
Last week it like boom react
Its all just gut feeling .

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Yes, I was specifically talking about your accident that I was anticipating that you would bring up several pages and weeks after my post. Also it would be about braking on clay in water in a gutter, that somehow you failed to see.

Sorry that my advice did not meet your needs.

[Bonez]

I never claimed on acc .just put up with the pain work on.
Mind you never been hospital.
Had mild concussion twice.
I ride as a oroffesion so i guess
More likey get involved in stuff.

Sent from my CPH1941 using TapatalkTry doing that with a broken tibia and fibia due to a women Tboning you in a %0kmh zone on a brand new m/c that had only done 50km from new..

I pay my fair share of ACC and expect to get help if an incident like this happened..

[rastuscat]

E

i haven’t claimed either

I hadn't ever made a house insurance claim until we lost ours in the Sept 2010 earthquake. Made me glad I had that cover.

A bit like ACC. Good to have when you need it, but apparently unnecessary until you do.

[Jeeper]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/motorcyclist-dies-in-accident-at-ti-rakau-drive-and-pakuranga-rd/WM533T2HUR2Z75HK32V7EAPA7Y/

Sad for the rider's family.

[release_the_bees]

I ride through that intersection every workday.

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[Jeeper]

I ride through that intersection every workday.

Sent from my SM-G965F using TapatalkI don't know any more than what is reported in the newspaper, but I would hazard to guess this incident involved red (or amber) light running by one of the two parties involved.

[malcy25]

I don't know any more than what is reported in the newspaper, but I would hazard to guess this incident involved red (or amber) light running by one of the two parties involved.


My thoughts exactly and an intersection well known for it. I’m through there lots and usually have one hand steering and one hand hovering over the horn if I’m at the front of the queue.

I was through there on my push bike only 30 min earlier.

[FJRider]

I don't know any more than what is reported in the newspaper, but I would hazard to guess this incident involved red (or amber) light running by one of the two parties involved.

Even here in Dunedin ... I've lost count of the number of times MY light goes to green ... and there's still traffic going through the intersection.

And when the shit hits the fan ... somebody dies ... everybody's like ... it was an accident ... it wasn't their fault .. !!!


It was the sucker ... that waited until the green to go before they moved fault.

More red light cameras ... soon ... or sooner ... :devil2:

[pritch]

Even here in Dunedin ... I've lost count of the number of times MY light goes to green ... and there's still traffic going through the intersection.


There's an intersection near my place it's normal to have to sit on green waiting for people who ignored the red. They are not the main worry though, it's the odd one who comes through on the main road at plus or minus 100kph. Red light? What red light?

[rastuscat]

There's an intersection near my place it's normal to have to sit on green waiting for people who ignored the red. They are not the main worry though, it's the odd one who comes through on the main road at plus or minus 100kph. Red light? What red light?

Yes, those are the ones that normally do the greatest damage.

[Jeeper]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/124468011/motorcyclist-killed-in-crash-with-bridal-party-outside-wedding-venue

[rastuscat]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/124468011/motorcyclist-killed-in-crash-with-bridal-party-outside-wedding-venue


Violation of right of way. Sad.

[Jeeper]

Violation of right of way. Sad.I can only improve upon my own errors, but on a 90 minute ride yesterday I counted 6 cars that just flew through a stop sign as it didn't exist. I was on the main road, they were each at an intersection in front of me (approaching the intersection) on my left or right.

There is no way they didn't see me. But chose to do as they wished.

[FJRider]

Violation of right of way. Sad.

Interesting that one of the fatal accidents mentioned ... the rider was found minus his helmet. That was found at the neighboring property. How does a properly fitted helmet "Fall Off" ... ?? :scratch:

[george formby]

Interesting that one of the fatal accidents mentioned ... the rider was found minus his helmet. That was found at the neighboring property. How does a properly fitted helmet "Fall Off" ... ?? :scratch:

Rusted strap mounts that fail with an impact?

Hidden behind the foam they never get checked.

Could be a host of other reasons, though.

[Jeeper]

Straps not done up (just put the helmet on but not secure it)? Humans are very imaginative as far as doing dumb stuff is concerned.

[FJRider]

Rusted strap mounts that fail with an impact?

Hidden behind the foam they never get checked.

Could be a host of other reasons, though.

Another reason why you should replace your helmet on a regular basis ... :yes:

People should treat their helmets ... like their life depended on them ... ;)

[Jeeper]

Another reason why you should replace your helmet on a regular basis ... :yes:

People should treat their helmets ... like their life depended on them ... ;)And 10/15 year old tyres even if they have plenty of tread. Life depends on them too.

[george formby]

Another reason why you should replace your helmet on a regular basis ... :yes:

People should treat their helmets ... like their life depended on them ... ;)

Never crossed my mind to check my helmets, straps etc until I saw youtube posts on dirt bike helmets failing after a year or so due to rusty straps.

All my helmets have some degradation, but just surface rust.

[actungbaby]

My old bike jacket had velcro around neck.over time worked on chin straps on edges.

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[F5 Dave]

I kinda want a root. I think I might get lucky. Not sure about the velcro. Might be a bit irritating.