Biden

[Berries]

Bit dodgy eh?

[pete376403]

Don't start.

[Laava]

What about THAT guy?
I've heard he drinks milk straight outta the bottle and then he puts it back in the fridge.

[FJRider]

Bit dodgy eh?

He is now undoing all the changes Trump made ... :pinch:





Dodgy ... ???? :calm:

[ellipsis]

...yeah... just another puppet of pricks that have money and agendas...

[mashman]

Biden Trump.

[TheDemonLord]

He is now undoing all the changes Trump made ... :pinch:





Dodgy ... ???? :calm:

That's par for the course in US politics, although I do recall people screeching that Trump was acting like a dictator with his Executive Orders when he got into office.

Funnily all those same people are eerily silent or positively jubilant when their guy is doing it.

[FJRider]

That's par for the course in US politics, although I do recall people screeching that Trump was acting like a dictator with his Executive Orders when he got into office.

Funnily all those same people are eerily silent or positively jubilant when their guy is doing it.

Incorrect. They both acted like Presidents.

As do Prime Ministers ACT like Prime Ministers.

As Presidents/Prime Ministers ... They have the power to make those decisions. Those that voted for the "Other" Party ... seldom like those actions.


Unless it suits them.


Such is Politics.

[SaferRides]

The headline on Fox News is an Antifa "insurrection" in Portland.

Don't think there will be much healing and national unity there.

[pritch]

That's par for the course in US politics, although I do recall people screeching that Trump was acting like a dictator with his Executive Orders when he got into office.


Some people have short memories. Obama was accused of being a dictator because he was ruling by executive order. The reason he was doing that was because the Republicans controlled the Senate and the Senate would pass nothing put forward by Obama.

Trump carried the practice on, despite the Sentate being in Republican hands .

Currently there are hundreds of acts passed by the last (Democrat) Congress stacked on hold. Mitch McConnell, the Republican who controlled the Senate, would not put any Democrat measure to the vote. He referred to himself as the Grim Reaper, his desk was where Democrat legislation went to die.

It seems entirely logical that Biden will undo Trump executive orders with another executive order. The Democrats, having a majority on Congress, and a razor thin majority in the Senate, can return to operating as was originally intended. They do have one problem - Joe Manchin. A Democrat, his views are often more Republican. If he votes against anything the measure will likely be lost.

[R650R]

The American Eagle is go full send into Boeing territory clipping its own wings with a directive to hire based on identity politics instead of skill....

https://www.theepochtimes.com/biden-admin-embraces-racial-equity-ideology-in-slew-of-executive-action-announcements_3664911.html?utm_source=morningbrief&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mb-2021-01-21

[R650R]

The headline on Fox News is an Antifa "insurrection" in Portland.

Don't think there will be much healing and national unity there.

Some people here say it's a fictional organisation but pics and news articles don't lie lol

Yep a whole bunch of useful idiots with nothing to do now the George Soros pay cheques have dried up. Most prob unemp,outed with useless degrees like The effect of neodybinuim mining on transgender communities in eastern nowheristan.

As said earlier the communists always get rid of traitor enablers first after they've done their job as they pose a future threat to the regime. You can bet the FBI will suddenly smash ANTIFA into nothing, perhaps with a few Waco or ruby ridge style engagements to help with the anti gun agenda. Or it could be rebranded as right wing to demonise the silent majority....

https://www.theepochtimes.com/antifa-in-seattle-and-portland-smash-property-oppose-biden-police-we-are-ungovernable_3665544.html?utm_source=news&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2021-01-21-1

https://mobile.twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1352263621280202753

[TheDemonLord]

Some people have short memories. Obama was accused of being a dictator because he was ruling by executive order. The reason he was doing that was because the Republicans controlled the Senate and the Senate would pass nothing put forward by Obama.

No doubt by fringe republicans, however I'm talking about the Mainstream narrative here (Washington Post, NYT, CNN etc.).

I also see the Biden has removed the Bust of Sir Winston Churchill, which I feel is probably an Omen of sorts.


Currently there are hundreds of acts passed by the last (Democrat) Congress stacked on hold. Mitch McConnell, the Republican who controlled the Senate would not put any Democrat measure to the vote. He referred to himself as the Grim Reaper, his desk was where Democrat legislation went to die.

It seems entirely logical that Biden will undo Trump executive orders with another executive order. The Democrats, having a majority on Congress, and a razor thin majority in the Senate, can return to operating as was originally intended. They do have one problem - Joe Manchin. A Democrat, his views are often more Republican. If he votes against anything the measure will likely be lost.

And you'll note, I'm not complaining that Biden is doing it - My complaint is (as always) about the Double-Standard.

Even if his actions to systematically erase every trace of Trump have a somewhat 'Year 0' feel about them...

[sugilite]

I also see the Biden has removed the Bust of Sir Winston Churchill, which I feel is probably an Omen of sorts.


I wonder if he also had the Ivanka bust removed that Trump had placed beside the tissue dispenser in the first bathroom :laugh:

Previously I'd mentioned the dems would of taken note of the "questionable" ways Trump ran rough shod over everything to get his shit done. Will be interesting if the dems play monkey see monkey do.

Can Biden rise above his 47 years of quite frankly mediocre performance and actually leave a lasting legacy of decentness? I certainly won't be holding my breath, but I do admit to a spark of hope that he will consistently do the right thing.

[pritch]

Some people here say it's a fictional organisation but pics and news articles don't lie lol


It's not exactly that Antifa is a fictional organisation, it's that it is not an organisation at all. From time to time a group of people may decide they are Antifa and behave in such a manner that they can be considered Antifa. There is no national organisation, there is no Headquarters, there is no leader, anything that claims there is can fairly be considered fiction.

Mentioning George Soros cheques is a dead give-away that we're dealing with someone of excessive credulity.

[TheDemonLord]

I wonder if he also had the Ivanka bust removed that Trump had placed beside the tissue dispenser in the first bathroom :laugh:

She's too old and there's nothing to sniff :laugh:

[pritch]

I also see the Biden has removed the Bust of Sir Winston Churchill, which I feel is probably an Omen of sorts.


The White House has a large collecton of artwork. All presidents decorate the spaces they use with artworks to their preference. Fine. There were multiple occasions when Trump's choices were criticised or analysed. There were more important things to write about then, so too now with Biden.

When Biden has finished moving in, a tour of his selected artworks might be interesting.

[sugilite]

What about THAT guy?
I've heard he drinks milk straight outta the bottle and then he puts it back in the fridge.

Bloody hell, the fake news has started already - anyone who has been paying attention knows he steals his milk straight from Hillary's breast while down in that pizza shops basement.

[pritch]

Congressional representative Marjorie Taylor Greene, a follower of QAnon, has filed articles of impeachment against Joe Biden.

Here's hoping we get to see the charges. It's only his first full day in office, maybe she didn't like the way he eats his breakfast eggs?



Update:

OK, here it is.

[R650R]

It's not exactly that Antifa is a fictional organisation, it's that it is not an organisation at all. From time to time a group of people may decide they are Antifa and behave in such a manner that they can be considered Antifa. There is no national organisation, there is no Headquarters, there is no leader, anything that claims there is can fairly be considered fiction.

Mentioning George Soros cheques is a dead give-away that we're dealing with someone of excessive credulity.

I don’t buy that. No matter if it’s a workplace, sports team or casual hobby/riding group there always exists a heirachy and stronger people within self designate themselves as leaders. Without leadership they would be totally ineffective.
Yet at every major protest they are there early up front hard and fast organising chaos. You don’t get pallets of bricks dropped off the night before without money or leadership and planning.
The myth of no structure is put up to avoid any easy links back to people in govt etc....

[pritch]

I don’t buy that. No matter if it’s a workplace, sports team or casual hobby/riding group there always exists a heirachy and stronger people within self designate themselves as leaders. Without leadership they would be totally ineffective.
Yet at every major protest they are there early up front hard and fast organising chaos. You don’t get pallets of bricks dropped off the night before without money or leadership and planning.
The myth of no structure is put up to avoid any easy links back to people in govt etc....

That is an excellent example of the fiction we are talking about. They are not at every protest, they were at very few. There are many claims that they are present, almost entirely fictional.

[roogazza]

Who's willing to bet Biden at 78 will die in office (4 yrs) and they'll have a woman of colour (lol) in the chair???
I don't give a shit, I went for a great fang today.
While a few (very few) worry about USA politics. :rolleyes:

[sugilite]

This is an improvement already - science driving policy on a pandemic, the very thought!

""I can tell you," Fauci said, "I take no pleasure at all in being in a situation of contradicting the president, so it was really something that you didn't feel that you can actually say something and there wouldn't be any repercussions about it. The idea that you can get up here and talk about what you know, what the evidence - what the science is and know that's it, let the science speak, it is somewhat of a liberating feeling.""

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/300212317/dr-anthony-fauci-unchained-leading-us-infectiousdisease-expert-exults-in-being-able-to-speak-frankly

[Oakie]

Who's willing to bet Biden at 78 will die in office (4 yrs) and they'll have a woman of colour (lol) in the chair??? :

Yes. Was thinking that last night. All sounding a bit like a Tom Clancy novel now. All we need now is a submarine and a rogue Islamic terrorist and perhaps a special ops person and a stealth bomber.

[Kickaha]

You don’t get pallets of bricks dropped off the night before without money or leadership and planning.


Neither did they, most of the so called pallets of bricks that I saw pictured were paving stones which make an incredibly crap thing to throw unless it's off a building

[pritch]

This is an improvement already - science driving policy on a pandemic, the very thought!


Then there's the FOX take. After one whole day.

[1/32 man]

Roogazza mentions “woman of colour”
That stands out for me.

Why not just “woman” ?

[PrincessBandit]

That's par for the course in US politics, although I do recall people screeching that Trump was acting like a dictator with his Executive Orders when he got into office.

Funnily all those same people are eerily silent or positively jubilant when their guy is doing it.

Except that Biden isn’t just overturning things out of sheer vindictiveness and spite, unlike his predecessor

[husaberg]

Except that Biden isn’t just overturning things out of sheer vindictiveness and spite, unlike his predecessor

odd how someones forgot how trump kept firing FBi directors and FBI deputy directors that were investigating him.....



McCabe was elevated to the role of acting FBI director in May 2017 after Trump fired FBI Director James Comey, and said he promptly opened two investigations into the president. A criminal inquiry focused on whether Trump obstructed justice by firing Comey, and a separate counterintelligence probe sought to determine whether the president was acting on behalf of the Russian government.
Trump’s firing of Comey came a day after former acting Attorney General Sally Yates told a Senate panel that she had informed the White House on Jan. 26 that Flynn was at risk of blackmail by Moscow because he had been untruthful about his discussions with the Russian ambassador, Sergei Kislyak. Trump fired Flynn 18 days later.
To justify his firing of Comey, Trump cited a three-page memo by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein that detailed actions Comey took in relation to the FBI’s investigation of Hillary Clinton’s private email during her time as secretary of State.

But McCabe on Sunday claimed that Trump had urged Rosenstein to reference in his memo the bureau’s investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 election.
Trump asked Comey to pledge his loyalty to him, but the FBI chief declined. Then Comey ignored the president’s appeal to end an investigation into his former national security adviser.
Trump asked Rosenstein to draft a memo recommending the dismissal, and to “put the Russia stuff” in it, according to the notes of a senior Justice Department official.
Rosenstein agreed to the memo but resisted any Russia reference. He knew as he left the White House that day that Comey would be fired
“In fact, when I decided to just do it, I said to myself, I said, you know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story,” Trump said. “It’s an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election that they should’ve won.”

Former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe said he was ousted from the bureau in March 2018 because he opened two investigations into President Donald Trump 10 months earlier.

or this wee gem



Trump Revokes Lobbying Ban He Signed At The Beginning Of His Presidency
President Donald Trump, in one of his last acts as president, revoked his own executive order requiring federal government appointees to sign a pledge to not lobby the agencies in which they worked for five years after leaving the administration.
President Trump Signs Executive Orders In The Oval Office

The initial executive order, entitled ”Ethics Commitments by Executive Branch Appointees,” was signed by Trump just 8 days into his presidency and also included a ban on lobbying certain officials for the remainder of the Trump administration.
In addition to the lobbying ban, the pledge also included agreements to not become registered foreign agents, not accept gifts from lobbyists while serving in the administration.
The executive order did allow former lobbyists to enter the administration, but it placed a two year restriction on them working in agencies they previously lobbied.
The revocation was announced by the White House moments after it released a long list of Trump’s final pardons, including controversial ones like former adviser Steve Bannon and rappers Lil Wayne and Kodak Black
https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2021/01/20/trump-revokes-lobbying-ban-he-signed-at-the-beginning-of-his-presidency/?sh=5dc0679d44b9

[pete376403]

Roogazza mentions “woman of colour”
That stands out for me.

Why not just “woman” ?

For conservatives in the US, "woman" is bad enough, being "woman of color" would cause a total meltdown. Anyway it's how they (WoC) describe themselves.

[husaberg]

The White House has a large collecton of artwork. All presidents decorate the spaces they use with artworks to their preference. Fine. There were multiple occasions when Trump's choices were criticised or analysed. There were more important things to write about then, so too now with Biden.

When Biden has finished moving in, a tour of his selected artworks might be interesting.

I haven't seen what desk he has chosen
Most ones of late have gone for the one Kennedy had. the one made from timbers of the HMS Resolute, Queen Victoria gifted tit to Rutherford B. Hayes in 1880
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Oval_Office_desks

348378
Edit this morning
took out portait of Andrew Jackson who had held white supremacist views like trump and replaced it with another former founding father that did not then replaced the bust of a rich aristocratic British conservative with ones of US civil rights movement icons. yeah, how dare he.............

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/22/joe-bidens-oval-office-what-changes-has-the-new-president-made

[roogazza]

Roogazza mentions “woman of colour”
That stands out for me.

Why not just “woman” ?


For conservatives in the US, "woman" is bad enough, being "woman of color" would cause a total meltdown. Anyway it's how they (WoC) describe themselves.

yes 1/32 ,not language I'd use, but I did it tongue in cheek....
I won't mention what I really call them. :laugh: :msn-wink:

[pritch]

I haven't seen what desk he has chosen
Most ones of late have gone for the one Kennedy had. the one made from timbers of the HMS Resolute, Queen Victoria gifted tit to Rutherford B. Hayes in 1880
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Oval_Office_desks


The new First Cat was pictured sitting at that desk yesterday. I thought the Resolute desk was the standard fitment in the oval office now. There were a couple of what appeared to be bronze busts behind the desk but who they were I couldn't say.

Kamala Harris' new desk isn't quite as flash, but it is an impressive piece of furniture.

Some of these Yank politicians are not fully literate, Senator Hawley, Stanford and Yale Law, recently used the nonsense word "irregardless". Now a Trump supporting Congresswoman has typed, "Your point of you." She typed this while defending "the big lie". Both errors caused some merriment among pedants.

[Oakie]

Roogazza mentions “woman of colour”
That stands out for me.

Why not just “woman” ?
Because the fact that she is non-white is as big thing than being a woman in the context of being the Vice President.

[husaberg]

The new First Cat was pictured sitting at that desk yesterday. I thought the Resolute desk was the standard fitment in the oval office now. There were a couple of what appeared to be bronze busts behind the desk but who they were I couldn't say.

Kamala Harris' new desk isn't quite as flash, but it is an impressive piece of furniture.

Some of these Yank politicians are not fully literate, Senator Hawley, Stanford and Yale Law, recently used the nonsense word "irregardless". Now a Trump supporting Congresswoman has typed, "Your point of you." She typed this while defending "the big lie". Both errors caused some merriment among pedants.

Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks, Ab Lincon, Eleanor Roosevelt, and most interesting Cesar Chavez. maybe the last is a not so subtle up yours to the tRump demonizing Mexicans imigrants as rapists and murderers yet employing them as they are cheap
maybe replacing Winston Churchill's (a rich white aristocrat) bust with US icons of civil rights and replacing a portrait of a US president (jackson)who supported an extension of slavery with a feminist icon Eleanor Roosevelt will upset a few racist and sexist gits.
Keeping the Desk which is a nod to close relations to the UK is enough.
hes also got rid of the button trump had used to summon a butler with diet Coke on a silver plater

348384
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1352284365854806017/photo/3


Worse still for Trump supporters it seems Bidens team has replaced sharpies with pens in the oval office
Also Trump’s had signed many Executive Odors.

[pritch]

This tweet from a newly elected senator appealed to me.

[RDJ]

Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks, Ab Lincon, Eleanor Roosevelt, and most interesting Cesar Chavez.

You do know that Chavez was all about border control?

"The late labor leader Cesar Chavez, whose bust sits behind President Biden’s desk, was vehemently opposed to the immigration policies that the president has promised to enact.

The bust of Chavez was noticeably present behind Biden on Wednesday as he signed executive orders on immigration, overturning former President Donald Trump’s policies and benefiting people in the United States illegally and those trying to enter illegally.

Biden was immediately questioned about the Chavez bust on social media, with many wondering why someone who opposed Biden’s stance on immigration would have such a prominent place in the Oval Office.

“Note the bust of Cesar Chavez behind Biden as he signed executive orders,” conservative radio host Larry Elder tweeted. “Is Biden aware that Chavez, born in USA, HATED #illegalimmigration because it depressed wages — and that Chavez worked with the feds to stop it?”

[F5 Dave]

Jezzuz krist.

I saw Biden wearing pants. Do you know who else wore Pants? Joseph Stalin that's who!

Next he'll be accepting Satan. That's what Catholics do.
Jewish Catholics.

Jewish shape shifting lizard Catholics.


For did Nostradamus predict, And from the west there shall be an uprising for which democracy is to its core is unfulfilled?

Stop the steal. And it came to pass.


Pass it on.

[husaberg]

Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks, Ab Lincon, Eleanor Roosevelt, and most interesting Cesar Chavez. maybe the last is a not so subtle up yours to the tRump demonizing Mexicans imigrants as rapists and murderers yet employing them as they are cheap
maybe replacing Winston Churchill's (a rich white aristocrat) bust with US icons of civil rights and replacing a portrait of a US president (jackson)who supported an extension of slavery with a feminist icon Eleanor Roosevelt will upset a few racist and sexist gits.
Keeping the Desk which is a nod to close relations to the UK is enough.
hes also got rid of the button trump had used to summon a butler with diet Coke on a silver plater

348384
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1352284365854806017/photo/3


Worse still for Trump supporters it seems Bidens team has replaced sharpies with pens in the oval office
Also Trump’s had signed many Executive Odors.


You do know that Chavez was all about border control?

"The late labor leader Cesar Chavez, whose bust sits behind President Biden’s desk, was vehemently opposed to the immigration policies that the president has promised to enact.

The bust of Chavez was noticeably present behind Biden on Wednesday as he signed executive orders on immigration, overturning former President Donald Trump’s policies and benefiting people in the United States illegally and those trying to enter illegally.

Biden was immediately questioned about the Chavez bust on social media, with many wondering why someone who opposed Biden’s stance on immigration would have such a prominent place in the Oval Office.

“Note the bust of Cesar Chavez behind Biden as he signed executive orders,” conservative radio host Larry Elder tweeted. “Is Biden aware that Chavez, born in USA, HATED #illegalimmigration because it depressed wages — and that Chavez worked with the feds to stop it?”


Maybe you should actually read what i wrote before replying
Do you know ALL US presidents are against illegal immigration?
The difference is not all US presidents are as overtly racist or bigoted as former president twice impeached trump was.
I would suggest you stick to copying NAtional party press releases in an attempt to pass them off as being from official OECD reports.
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/188175-The-journey-that-COVID-19-will-take-us-on?p=1131173241#post1131173241

[R650R]

I see there is bipartisan “outrage” at treatment of National gaurd.... Since when did the army need someone to hold its hand and organise accomodation. They were supposed to be expecting an insurgency, should have been too busy digging trenches and filling sandbags to be crying about sleeping on floor.... I guess millennials must have filtered through into logistics leadership.....

[1/32 man]

yes 1/32 ,not language I'd use, but I did it tongue in cheek....
I won't mention what I really call them.




Because the fact that she is non-white is as big thing than being a woman in the context of being the Vice President.

Nice to have my comment acknowledged.....and was it acknowledged by white males?

[ellipsis]

...I love this man...kept me entertained for months and he keeps on giving...

https://youtu.be/ixe28nPRhjE

[pritch]

...I love this man...kept me entertained for months and he keeps on giving...

https://youtu.be/ixe28nPRhjE



He's done some good stuff. A while back he was saying his boss sacked him but I don't think that was part of the act.

Brent Terhune is great too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCcFISJNE-k

There is also a woman but I don't know her name, she just pops up on Twitter. She gets mistaken for the real thing even more than the two guys.

[RDJ]

President Biden spent the entire campaign last year running on a platform to shut down the novel coronavirus, only to back away from the signature pledge on day 3 of his White House tenure with.... wait for it... “There’s nothing we can do to change the trajectory of the pandemic."

Although, perhaps serving notice to upwards of 70,000 people in his first week that he's killing their jobs, may keep them at home...?

[RDJ]

And here's one just for huffaberg

https://nationalfile.com/biden-scraps-trumps-executive-order-lowering-prices-of-insulin-epipen-for-impoverished-americans/

[pritch]

President Biden spent the entire campaign last year running on a platform to shut down the novel coronavirus, only to back away from the signature pledge on day 3 of his White House tenure with.... wait for it... “There’s nothing we can do to change the trajectory of the pandemic."


You need to stop watching Hannity. There might be a hitch in Biden’s plan because there’s tens of millions of vaccine doses missing. Have the Trump crime family sold the vaccines to Russia or the Saudis?

Biden will have competent people on the job but the US will always be difficult because many people don’t have sick leave and can’t afford a doctor. Then there’s the fuckwits that think masks and isolation are for other people.

At least somebody is doing something. Trump did nothing. Well nothing sensible.

[husaberg]

You need to stop watching Hannity. There might be a hitch in Biden’s plan because there’s tens of millions of vaccine doses missing. Have the Trump crime family sold the vaccines to Russia or the Saudis?

Biden will have competent people on the job but the US will always be difficult because many people don’t have sick leave and can’t afford a doctor. Then there’s the fuckwits that think masks and isolation are for other people.

At least somebody is doing something. Trump did nothing. Well nothing sensible.

He also arrived in power to find Trump's administration you know the one that has been in power for the last 5 years has not got any delivery system in place.
Trump team also had never confirmed the second round of doses.

[F5 Dave]

You need to stop watching Hannity. There might be a hitch in Biden’s plan because there’s tens of millions of vaccine doses missing. Have the Trump crime family sold the vaccines to Russia or the Saudis?

Biden will have competent people on the job but the US will always be difficult because many people don’t have sick leave and can’t afford a doctor. Then there’s the fuckwits that think masks and isolation are for other people.

At least somebody is doing something. Trump did nothing. Well nothing sensible.
A 1/3 of Americans apparently dont have sick leave in thier contracts because its America, land of the free to screw the poor people. These people are largely minimal wage, the sort that serve food etc. And if they are sick, they drag thier arse out of bed unless they physically can't so they can make rent.
And infect everyone else they come in contact with.

[pritch]

A 1/3 of Americans apparently dont have sick leave in thier contracts because its America, land of the free to screw the poor people. These people are largely minimal wage, the sort that serve food etc. And if they are sick, they drag thier arse out of bed unless they physically can't so they can make rent. And infect everyone else they come in contact with.

Exactly. There was a recent report that Johns Hopkins University and another institution had rated countries according to their perceived ability to cope with a pandemic. Australia and NZ were not rated highly, Britain and the US were very highly rated.

OK, nobody knew Britain was going to have Boris for PM and an utterly clueless government when a pandemic struck, but the things you mention made me think from the beginning that the US was always going to have a problem. Maybe the professors need to get out and talk to people?

As further evidence of how backward the US is, in California there is currently a move to introduce bereavement leave. The Republicans in Congress are fighting moves to raise the minimum wage to $15.00. Annual leave? Sick leave? Maternity leave? Forgetaboutit.

[TheDemonLord]

Except that Biden isn’t just overturning things out of sheer vindictiveness and spite, unlike his predecessor

I think you'll find that is exactly what is being done.

They are trying to erase everthing that is tangentially connected to Trump.

[TheDemonLord]

As further evidence of how backward the US is, in California there is currently a move to introduce bereavement leave. The Republicans in Congress are fighting moves to raise the minimum wage to $15.00. Annual leave? Sick leave? Maternity leave? Forgetaboutit.

Hey Guys! You know how the Economy is struggling and many businesses are worried about going under?

I've got this great idea: Why don't we increase the costs of compliance whilst they are potentially going to be going Bankrupt! That'll boost the economy for sure!

[pete376403]

I think you'll find that is exactly what is being done.

They are trying to erase everthing that is tangentially connected to Trump.


Repairing things that have been deliberately broken is not vindictiveness

[TheDemonLord]

Repairing things that have been deliberately broken is not vindictiveness

That depends on what you see as the repaired state and the broken state.

cutting 70,000 jobs for example would seem to me to be both deliberately breaking something and an act of Vindictiveness.

[F5 Dave]

It should be abundantly clear the Trump cares for no one except himself. Common people were just pawns to him if they live or died. Only useful if they voted for him or bought his merchandise (as they could never afford his golf clubs and hotels.)

[TheDemonLord]

It should be abundantly clear the Trump cares for no one except himself. Common people were just pawns to him if they live or died. Only useful if they voted for him or bought his merchandise (as they could never afford his golf clubs and hotels.)

Except, y'know, The best economy since the post-war boom, Lowest unemployment, Tax Cuts the benefitted the low and middle classes and of course - trying to stop Illegal immigration which is a major factor in wage stagnation for low-skilled workers...

I think the best retort, however was this:

"People build walls to protect what is important to them.

Trump wanted to build a wall around America.
Biden builds a wall around the Government"

[RDJ]

Biden is soooo popular already that Instagram is forcing its members to follow the White House account.

https://www.hdforums.com/forum/political-and-open-discussion/1358167-instagram-is-forcing-members-to-follow-the-white-house.html

In other Best President Evah and Just Right for the Job news...

Before he became Barack Obama’s running mate, he took a shot at America’s soon-to-be first black president that was just dripping in racism. Per Biden: “I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy.”

[sugilite]

Before he became Barack Obama’s running mate, he took a shot at America’s soon-to-be first black president that was just dripping in racism. Per Biden: “I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy.”

Wow, stinging racial burns right there, kill the guy with compliments - crafty! Mind you, Obama got him back good by promoting Biden to VP.



"People build walls to protect what is important to them.

Walls are overrated.

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[TheDemonLord]

Walls are overrated.

Given the number of people behind the wall vs the few that have managed to scale it, I'd say the Wall is fulfilling it's role perfectly.

But isn't it funny that Walls which are so overrated, were erected around the capital...

[sugilite]

Given the number of people behind the wall vs the few that have managed to scale it, I'd say the Wall is fulfilling it's role perfectly.

But isn't it funny that Walls which are so overrated, were erected around the capital...

Go over them, under them, or in the case of the new border wall, through it with a $100 saw :lol: Largely symbolic perhaps? :devil2:
Wonder what your reply would of been had it been BLM supporters climbing it :laugh:

[TheDemonLord]

Go over them, under them, or in the case of the new border wall, through it with a $100 saw :lol: Largely symbolic perhaps? :devil2:
Wonder what your reply would of been had it been BLM supporters climbing it :laugh:

Well, they'd have burned it down before going over the ashes...

However BLM/ANTIFA have had quite the recent history of Violence and Murder (27 people murdered thanks to the Riots over a violent Thug ODing on illegal drugs) - so yeah, I'd judge it more harshly.

If the 'Right Wing' continues to Riot and get people killed and destroy private property, then maybe my tune will change.

[pritch]

"People build walls to protect what is important to them.

Trump wanted to build a wall around America.
Biden builds a wall around the Government"

Trump build about five miles of border wall in about four years, a massive fail by any standard. He did build a wall around the White House to protect himself from the American people though.

He might build a wall around Mar A Lardo, except he's supposed to leave there by Tuesday. I haven't seen reports that he removed the heli pad yet either.

[RDJ]

"Biden’s immigration orders, giving citizenship to some 11 million illegal immigrants, halting construction of the Mexican border wall and imposing a moratorium on deportations for 100 days, trash the rule of law and spell administrative and policing chaos. More than that, they undermine the very concept of a nation, which depends for its continued existence upon its borders being secure; and they take a wrecking ball to the concept of citizenship: the bargain of duties and rights that exists only between a government and its country’s citizens."

"In another order, Biden undermined American security by reversing the ban on travel from terrorist hotspots, including Iran, Libya, Syria, Yemen, and Somalia in addition to North Korea, Chad and Venezuela. This ban was not, as was so falsely and slanderously characterised by the Democrats, a “ ban on Muslims”. It was introduced in 2017 against certain countries whose governments could not provide proper documentation, vetting or identification information for citizens travelling to the US. It was a ban on countries whose record of Islamist or other anti-western extremism and violence meant that prudence dictated its inhabitants should be presumed to be a potential danger to America. By ending it, Biden has made America unsafe. It is an unreasonable act, motivated entirely by the Democrats’ ideologically twisted misrepresentation of any action aimed to protect citizens against Islamic extremism as anti-Muslim bigotry."

Biden’s habit of kissing his granddaughter on the mouth. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/joe-biden-kisses-granddaughter-on-lips-during-iowa-rally/7T7JWZNMVHFGVWDDIQ666FNDZA/

And at a different rally. https://www.alamy.com/new-hampshire-usa-12th-july-2019-dover-new-hampshire-usa-democratic-presidential-candidate-and-former-vice-president-joe-biden-kisses-his-granddaughter-finnegan-biden-while-campaigning-at-community-event-in-dover-credit-aflo-co-ltdalamy-live-news-image260150918.html

Joe and the Ho.

[pritch]

Hey Guys! You know how the Economy is struggling and many businesses are worried about going under?

I've got this great idea: Why don't we increase the costs of compliance whilst they are potentially going to be going Bankrupt! That'll boost the economy for sure!

That idea is no less out of whack than most of your others. The US has had 250 odd years to do those things, for the last year your excuse almost makes sense but not for the rest of history. Jaoan has had a community based health system since 1927. Nearly one hundred years later the Yanks still got nothin'. They do have about 650,000 medical bankruptcies each year though.

The Yanks are treated like a mushroom. If the blue collar and lower paid workers actually found out how they rate internationally they'd probably be seriously pissed off.

[RDJ]

Biden is aiming for 100 Million vaccinations in the first 100 days of Office, so 1M per day.
It really shouldn’t be too hard, as Trump was managing 940,000 vaccinations per day when he left.
It’s almost like Biden has inherited a competent vaccination program?

[TheDemonLord]

Seems we are speaking terms again Pritch - lovely to see you again.


Trump build about five miles of border wall in about four years, a massive fail by any standard.

You are omitting the parts where they had to rebuild existing walls....


That idea is no less out of whack than most of your others. The US has had 250 odd years to do those things, for the last year your excuse almost makes sense but not for the rest of history. Jaoan has had a community based health system since 1927. Nearly one hundred years later the Yanks still got nothin'. They do have about 650,000 medical bankruptcies each year though.

The Yanks are treated like a mushroom. If the blue collar and lower paid workers actually found out how they rate internationally they'd probably be seriously pissed off.

So there's 2 things in here that I think are important:

I don't disagree that some of the workers protection we take for granted should exist in the US. I've maintained that for all it's issues, Social Healthcare is a good thing. The point is the timing.

Let's assume there wasn't a Pandemic and that Trump's record economy continued and Biden was elected - if they said 'Hey, we've got this record economy, now's a good time to introduce some of these changes' - I'd hear an argument about 'Sabotaging progress' - but I could also concede that now is a good time to implement them

The second part is about the Blue Collar worker - the biggest cause of Wage stagnation is an excess supply of workers. If you have 10 jobs available and 1,000 people applying for them - you can set the lowest wage and the shittiest of perks. If, however you have 10 jobs available and only 5 people applying for them - then you have to raise the Wages or the Perks so that you can fill the positions. If you have large numbers of unskilled or blue collar workers entering the country illegally - that WILL suppress the wages of everyone in that section.

And that's when we take a look at what Biden wants to do....

[RDJ]

Biden was a 29-year-old lawyer when he won the election to the U.S Senate in November 1972 against a Republican incumbent by a mere 3,162 votes. His previous political experience before he won the seat was as a member of the New Castle County Council in Delaware.

However, before Biden had assumed offices, in just six weeks, his life took the most tragic of turns when his wife Neilia and their 1-year-old daughter, Naomi, were killed in an automobile accident.

Just like in any tragedy, one of the main questions is what caused the fatal accident? Neilia Biden's station wagon was broadsided by a tractor-trailer truck at an intersection, but what was the underlying cause of the fatal accident?

Biden has publicly stated or alleged that the driver tractor-trailer who hit his wife's station wagon had been drinking. During a speech that he gave at the University of Delaware a week after the 9/11 terror attacks, he said he sympathized with the tragedy as he too lost his loved ones due to a drunk driving incident.

In December 2007, while stumping for the Democratic presidential nomination in Iowa City, Biden again told the story about how he lost his wife and child while answering a voter's question about negative campaigning, as reported by The New York Times.

Based on evidence and witness accounts, it appeared that Neilia Biden had pulled into the truck driver's right of way at an intersection with a two-way stop, and the tractor-trailer driver was unable to stop in time to avoid striking her car.

After the trucker died, Biden finally apologized to the trucker's daughter for lying about her father (for decades).

[pritch]

Biden is aiming for 100 Million vaccinations in the first 100 days of Office, so 1M per day.
It really shouldn’t be too hard, as Trump was managing 940,000 vaccinations per day when he left.
It’s almost like Biden has inherited a competent vaccination program?

Except there's tens of millions of doses have vanished nto thin air and Trump turned down a follow up order. Anyone who believes there was a competent anything under Trump probably still believes in Father Christmas.

[RDJ]

Joe Biden said “I don’t know what I’m signing” on camera as he proceeded to sign an unknown executive order. In the video posted to BitChute, an unidentified person told him to “sign it anyways.”

...The video shows Biden, without a note of humor, say that he has no idea what executive order he is signing. Another person then gestures toward Biden’s left hand...

https://nationalfile.com/hot-mic-biden-says-i-dont-know-what-im-signing-signs-executive-order-anyway/

[TheDemonLord]

Joe Biden said “I don’t know what I’m signing” on camera as he proceeded to sign an unknown executive order. In the video posted to BitChute, an unidentified person told him to “sign it anyways.”

...The video shows Biden, without a note of humor, say that he has no idea what executive order he is signing. Another person then gestures toward Biden’s left hand...

https://nationalfile.com/hot-mic-biden-says-i-dont-know-what-im-signing-signs-executive-order-anyway/

(Insert picture of Thunderbirds/Team America style puppets, replete with strings for comedic effect)

[sugilite]

(Insert picture of Thunderbirds/Team America style puppets, replete with strings for comedic effect)

All that was required was a sharpie so Bidens tired old eyes could read the text. Finally a Trump policy that Biden should follow :laugh:

But seriously, I'm sure the Biden and his team had many meetings and so on to discuss all the executive orders that were to be drawn up. He simply did not know which one of those he was signing at the time - not much to see here, unless you are a maga nut :lol:

Fuck the US politics are a mess, an old lying piece of shit vs a less lying but even older dude was their best choice of candidates :facepalm:

[pritch]

Fuck the US politics are a mess, an old lying piece of shit vs a less lying but even older dude was their best choice of candidates :facepalm:

Was listening to a podcast and they were saying that none of the other Democrat candidates would have beaten Trump, that may well be right. I certainly don't think Americans are ready to vote for a guy with a husband.

Listening to another podcast and the view was that McConnell will just shepherd this impeachment trial through the senate as he did the last. I'm not so sure, Trump is talking about forming a new political party. Such a party would take enough votes from the Republicans to ensure a Democrat win. McConnell is devious enough to allow Trump to be found guilty so as to be prevented from taking any future part in politics.

Hannity is talking about Biden introducing re-education camps for Republicans and his fuckwit audience are believing it. If they had a functioning brain the threat would sound familiar because he also said that about Obama. The camps didn't appear that time either, they existed only in Hannity's mind. Some Republicans are on a gun buying spree in response to this 'new' threat. Who even knew they didn't have all the guns they could possibly use already?

[TheDemonLord]

Was listening to a podcast and they were saying that none of the other Democrat candidates would have beaten Trump, that may well be right. I certainly don't think Americans are ready to vote for a guy with a husband.

There were plenty, the problem was that the more reasonable centrist Democrat candidates weren't acceptable to the hard-left Democrat party members.


Hannity is talking about Biden introducing re-education camps for Republicans and his fuckwit audience are believing it. If they had a functioning brain the threat would sound familiar because he also said that about Obama. The camps didn't appear that time either, they existed only in Hannity's mind. Some Republicans are on a gun buying spree in response to this 'new' threat. Who even knew they didn't have all the guns they could possibly use already?

Now, I don't follow Hannity at all, but there are a number of signs of the new Democratic establishment demanding Political Purity (such as wanting to know the political views of the troops), some of the more radical Democrats have unironically used the words 're-education'

As for the Guns: Well, when they say that they'll defeat the NRA and take your ARs, is it any wonder people are arming themselves?

I mean - we don't have a 2nd amendment here and even so less than 30% of the lowest estimate were handed in...

[F5 Dave]

Yeah it was like the dems were trying to lose the election.

I still reckon they should have put up The Boss. As it turned out they didn't need a Rock legend to win. Some sad old bloke was preferable after the complete fuck up orange dude.

[TheDemonLord]

All that was required was a sharpie so Bidens tired old eyes could read the text. Finally a Trump policy that Biden should follow :laugh:

But seriously, I'm sure the Biden and his team had many meetings and so on to discuss all the executive orders that were to be drawn up. He simply did not know which one of those he was signing at the time - not much to see here, unless you are a maga nut :lol:

Fuck the US politics are a mess, an old lying piece of shit vs a less lying but even older dude was their best choice of candidates :facepalm:

I dunno about you - but anytime I sign anything - even if it's the most bog-standard of forms or a form I've signed before - I ALWAYS take some time to skim read and make sure what I know what I'm signing.

Even if I take your scenario (which is not entirely unreasonable) as holy writ - it really doesn't bode well for a President to admit that they don't know what they are signing.

[RDJ]

"Biden also displayed an instant contempt for the niceties of constitutional proprieties, let alone human decency. Within minutes of being sworn in, Biden told Peter Robb, general counsel of the National Labour Relations Board, to resign by 5 pm or be fired. Robb refused to resign; so he was promptly fired."

[F5 Dave]

Whereas Trump was always known for his employment credibility.

C'mon, really? You're going to take the moral high ground ​there?

[RDJ]

Joe Biden likes hands-on government and he practices it at every opportunity. Here's a compilation of his greatest hitting-on:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4PLSPvJ9BY&feature=youtu.be

Ya gotta ask yourselves, you Biden voters (well the ones of you who are alive that is) - what the heck does he get up to when the cameras are not rolling?

[RDJ]

...Hunter Biden is on video raping underage children.

...Biden's daughter wrote in her rehab diary about inappropriate showers with her dad.

Apple, tree, minimum distancing.

[Kickaha]

."

"In another order, Biden undermined American security by reversing the ban on travel from terrorist hotspots, including Iran, Libya, Syria, Yemen, and Somalia in addition to North Korea, Chad and Venezuela. This ban was not, as was so falsely and slanderously characterised by the Democrats, a “ ban on Muslims”. It was introduced in 2017 against certain countries whose governments could not provide proper documentation, vetting or identification information for citizens travelling to the US. It was a ban on countries whose record of Islamist or other anti-western extremism and violence meant that prudence dictated its inhabitants should be presumed to be a potential danger to America.

Yet the Saudis who provide most of the 9/11 crew and have financed terrorism practically forever weren't on that list because otherwise the USA couldn't sell them millions of dollars of weapons



Let's assume there wasn't a Pandemic and that Trump's record economy continued

You mean the USA economy he inherited that has had a steady uphill climb since 2010 through previous administrations ?

[F5 Dave]

Joe Biden likes hands-on government and he practices it at every opportunity. Here's a compilation of his greatest hitting-on:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4PLSPvJ9BY&feature=youtu.be

Ya gotta ask yourselves, you Biden voters (well the ones of you who are alive that is) - what the heck does he get up to when the cameras are not rolling?

Dude! Who are you talking to? This is Kiwibiker. We don't vote in US. Are you confused?

[pritch]

"Biden also displayed an instant contempt for the niceties of constitutional proprieties, let alone human decency. Within minutes of being sworn in, Biden told Peter Robb, general counsel of the National Labour Relations Board, to resign by 5 pm or be fired. Robb refused to resign; so he was promptly fired."

All political appointees should have had their resignations in to take effect on the twentieth. That's normal. There's no contempt of anything except by any such people who had not handed in their resignation.

Trump buried some loyalists in the civil service and changed the rules covering their employment. In effect he was creating the very 'deep state' he had always whinged about but which didn't exist. Biden will have to change the rules back to winkle them out - once he knows who they are.

[ellipsis]

It should be abundantly clear the Trump cares for no one except himself. Common people were just pawns to him if they live or died. Only useful if they voted for him or ...

...sounds just like 95 per cent of most politicians that rise to that level...

[RDJ]

Biden voters enthralled as the new administration takes off...

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/dbf39754528033a9570046509fc32f87a6803f3a6e494ebba9 f5073a986507e0.gif

[sugilite]

Biden voters enthralled as the new administration takes off...

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/dbf39754528033a9570046509fc32f87a6803f3a6e494ebba9 f5073a986507e0.gif

Looks more like Ivankas 2024 presidential hopes getting incinerated :devil2:

[ellipsis]

...Politics 101...

...i'm not sure that most people are up with the rules...


...nothing is new, nothing is sancrosanct and there are no rules...mainstream ideals are just numbers and the bought media are not just pawns in the game, they have almost attained bishopric status...

...should be looking at what the fucks in power here, have in store for you... hope like fuck you all have pointy sticks sharpened and ready...

[RDJ]

In the US, for over 90 days in summer, there was utter havoc in dozens of American cities. Downtowns were ravaged. Stores were looted. Arson was customary. More than 700 police were injured and spat upon. In all, those “mostly peaceful” protests did billions of dollars in damage, leaving thousands of business owners bankrupt, and at least three-dozen people dead.

In other words, the visuals were the same old, same old we had seen during the violent 2017 Inauguration Day protests in Washington, the rioting in Ferguson and Baltimore, in New York during the final stages of the Occupy Wall Street take over, and the WTO violence over two decades ago in Seattle—with one major exception. This time the authorities saw far more election-year political advantage in defending the violence than in suppressing it, and so made the necessary adjustments, at least until Election Day.

The mayors of the targeted cities like Portland, Seattle, Chicago, and Minneapolis contextualized and supported the mayhem (“block party” and “summer of love”). They cared little for the thousands of lives that were wrecked by the destruction.

Joe Biden excused Antifa as a mere “idea” (a presidential ante facto impeachable offense?)—largely because millions of his supporters condoned or explained away the violence, and they said so publicly.

Kamala Harris warned America that the protests, which were increasingly turning more violent, would and should continue.

And that sentiment is precisely why Harris helped to bail out arrested street activists instead of raising funds for injured police.

Joe and the Ho. Yeah, "unity" they cry. Yeah, right. Tui.

[RDJ]

Classic Biden: "the only way to deal with Trump is either to get in his face or punch him or physically assault him".

Yeah, unity, right.

[RDJ]

Joe Biden has a long history of racial insensitivity, to such a degree his current vice president once denounced him for befriending segregationists in the Senate and opposing bussing.

In the spirit of unity, we are asked to forget that Biden’s “Corn Pop” stories were racist to the core, that his “put y’all back in chains” trope was rank racial condescension, that his remarks about “clean” blacks and donut shop owners were racist, and that his more recent slurs directed at black interviewers such as “Are you a junkie?” and “you ain’t black” were racist.

Yeah, racial harmony and country unity, right.

[pritch]

Time to take your meds and have a lie down sport.

[RDJ]

Time to take your meds and have a lie down sport.

Oh dear. You do not like it when your idol has feet of perverted clay - or should that be perverted feet of clay? Whatever, pritchie.

And what is it about your sort and medications, anyway? Us normies get by very well in reality, and we function unsupported by chemical crutches and we earn our living and we support our families without having to be medicated to be able to collect benefits paid for by productive workers, unlike y'all couch-sitting Labour-voting tax-sucking ferals. I suppose though I should feel sorry for you, as you lack any sense of self-worth. But - nah, I don't.

[pritch]

Oh dear. You do not like it when your idol has feet of perverted clay - or should that be perverted feet of clay? Whatever, pritchie.

And what is it about your sort and medications, anyway? Us normies get by very well in reality, and we function unsupported by chemical crutches and we earn our living and we support our families without having to be medicated to be able to collect benefits paid for by productive workers, unlike y'all couch-sitting Labour-voting tax-sucking ferals. I suppose though I should feel sorry for you, as you lack any sense of self-worth. But - nah, I don't.

Thanks for the red rep. Your views are currently far from normal, reality seems to consistently elude your grasp. Seriously, you appear to be becoming more unhinged, if you are not on medication perhaps you should be?

Your pen portrait above is correct as far as the couch sitting goes. I'll plead guilty to spending excessive time on my arse. The balance of it though is about as accurate as the rest of the nonsense you post.

[mashman]

...Politics 101...

...i'm not sure that most people are up with the rules...


...nothing is new, nothing is sancrosanct and there are no rules...mainstream ideals are just numbers and the bought media are not just pawns in the game, they have almost attained bishopric status...

...should be looking at what the fucks in power here, have in store for you... hope like fuck you all have pointy sticks sharpened and ready...

There's a swamp or two that still need to be drained, and there's nothing happening here. All of the ideals on offer are designed to be well within publicly acceptable limits still. The U.S. swamp has been getting a little bit of light though, and in response many are "waking up" to the potential that the game is slightly more rigged than they know. Not sure WTF it would take to raise the same kind of awareness here.

[mashman]

Time to take your meds and have a lie down sport.

Fucking brilliant, well thought through and argued position :tugger:

[R650R]

Jaoan has had a community based health system since 1927. Nearly one hundred years later the Yanks still got nothin'. They do have about 650,000 medical bankruptcies each year though.....

Out of a population of 330 million, so about 0.09 percent of the population, which in NZ numbers would be about 4500.... surprise surprise we have similar numbers. No data there’s but I’d hazard a guess that many bankruptcy at personal level would related to a non acc injury or illness that leave some one unable to work and pay mortgage etc....

https://www.insolvency.govt.nz/assets/pdf/Statistical-Data-Reports/ITS-Statistical-Data-Report-17-18.pdf

[R650R]

Trump build about five miles of border wall in about four years, a massive fail by any standard. He did build a wall around the White House to protect himself from the American people though.

He might build a wall around Mar A Lardo, except he's supposed to leave there by Tuesday. I haven't seen reports that he removed the heli pad yet either.

Over 300 miles of proper border wall have been completed. The fake news media however will only credit Trump where there was no existing barrier. Eg contractirs could have built the new spec wall replacing 19 miles of existing barbed wire cattle dance but media would not count that etc....
I follow a lot of construction channels and there’s plenty of footage showing the truth....

[TheDemonLord]

You mean the USA economy he inherited that has had a steady uphill climb since 2010 through previous administrations ?

No, I mean the one that massively accelerated under his program of deregulation. Before the Pandemic - the Economy had grown by the same in less than 4 years, than it had under 8 years of Obama.

[Kickaha]

No, I mean the one that massively accelerated under his program of deregulation.

Except it didn't massively accelerate , from mid 2009 right through to late 2019 there was a linear progression, same with the decreases in unemployment

[SaferRides]

Looks like it's time to start an ignore list. Or stop reading this thread as Trump was a more interesting president.

[TheDemonLord]

Except it didn't massively accelerate , from mid 2009 right through to late 2019 there was a linear progression, same with the decreases in unemployment

Yes, there was linear progression, and then it doubled.

Doubling (at least for an Economy) is a massive acceleration.

[Viking01]

Yes, there was linear progression, and then it doubled.

Doubling (at least for an Economy) is a massive acceleration.

I'd be interested to see the data (and source) that you're referring to. Assume that you're referring to GDP data.

After the downturn in the US real economy (arising from business shutdown due to Covid), a "doubling of economic growth" (in % terms) over a short period might not be as large (significant) as first thought.

It would also be interesting to know what proportion of the US real economy (given how much is service based) actually recovered to its initial position prior to Covid.

[TheDemonLord]

I'd be interested to see the data (and source) that you're referring to. Assume that you're referring to GDP data.

After the downturn in the US real economy (arising from business shutdown due to Covid), a "doubling of economic growth" (in % terms) over a short period might not be as large (significant) as first thought.

It would also be interesting to know what proportion of the US real economy (given how much is service based) actually recovered to its initial position prior to Covid.

From here (https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/134FC/production/_115200197_dow.jones2-nc.png)

Obama goes from ~10,000 - ~20,000 in 8 years, Trump goes from ~20,000 - ~30,000 in less than 4 - and although there's a big downspike from Covid, it does seem to have bounced back strong.

[Viking01]

Thanks.

I thought people were talking about the real economy - and not the US stock market.

[TheDemonLord]

Thanks.

I thought people were talking about the real economy - and not the US stock market.

That's one metric, GDP shows a similar trend that there was steady progress under Obama but under Trump there was a significant increase of Progress. The unemployment rate (before Covid) was also extremely good.

[pritch]

Thanks.

I thought people were talking about the real economy - and not the US stock market.

Yeah, Trump's focus on the stock market got him a lot of votes from people who didn't much care what else he did, so long as their 401K pension plan was on the up and up.

Trump didn't know much about economics but he understood that the share market perorming well was good for votes. He has had the US Treasury pumping trillions into the share market to keep it artificially inflated. Some investors will be holding their breath while they wait to see what Biden does. If he stops boosting the market it could crash. If the US stock market crashes ours will likely follow suit. Interesting.

[TheDemonLord]

Yeah, Trump's focus on the stock market got him a lot of votes from people who didn't much care what else he did, so long as their 401K pension plan was on the up and up.

You make it sound like ensuring retirees and Pensioners can live comfortably in their old age is a bad thing. Surely it is better that their 401K does brilliantly so they don't require government assistance?


Trump didn't know much about economics but he understood that the share market perorming well was good for votes. He has had the US Treasury pumping trillions into the share market to keep it artificially inflated. Some investors will be holding their breath while they wait to see what Biden does. If he stops boosting the market it could crash. If the US stock market crashes ours will likely follow suit. Interesting.

What he did was deregulation and cutting red-tape. The current Left has abandoned it's libertarian ideas and loves centralisation and Bureaucracy. Cutting the cost of Compliance meant that Companies could focus on doing business rather than compliance. This lead to low unemployment, Economic growth etc. etc.

As for Biden - he's already killed 70,000 jobs and the Sword of Damacles is hanging over New Mexico's oil and gas industry. There's been some rather hilarious posts by people who publicly supported Biden and have now found themselves on the chopping block crying 'No one told us he would do this' - and people like me going 'Yeah, we did - you called us names - and now you get what you fucking deserve'

[Viking01]

That's one metric, GDP shows a similar trend that there was steady progress under Obama but under Trump there was a significant increase of Progress. The unemployment rate (before Covid) was also extremely good.

Not so sure that I agree with you, but that's fine.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/188105/annual-gdp-of-the-united-states-since-1990/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/188165/annual-gdp-growth-of-the-united-states-since-1990/

The 2008-09 slump is obviously due to the GFC.

As for steady growth in GDP, it would be interesting to know the proportion due to "price increases" - as compared to increased volume of manufacturing and trading activity.

[TheDemonLord]

Not so sure that I agree with you, but that's fine.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/188105/annual-gdp-of-the-united-states-since-1990/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/188165/annual-gdp-growth-of-the-united-states-since-1990/

The 2008-09 slump is obviously due to the GFC.

As for steady growth in GDP, it would be interesting to know the proportion due to "price increases" - as compared to increased volume of manufacturing and trading activity.

On the grand scale - you can see the general upward trend of the US economy, but if you look at the detail - towards the end of Obama's presidency, Economic growth slowed down.

The other thing to note is that after you've had a massive crisis - the numbers can be misleading: going from 1 to 2 represents a 100% increase, whereas going from 10 to 15 is only a 50% increase, despite being a greater absolute change. I should add this is not a knock on Obama, whilst there are things to critique him on, overall he did okay - but look at the data from 15-16, you'll see a Slump, then Trump gets elected and it kicks back up again.

The other thing to note on things like Unemployment is the law of diminishing returns - so as the rate gets lower, the effort needed to lower it further becomes exponentially harder.

[RDJ]

President Donald Trump halted flights from China this time last year in an attempt to prevent the Wuhan coronavirus from spreading throughout the United States.

When he implemented those travel restrictions, the left – including now President Joe Biden – accused Trump of being a "xenophobic" and a "racist."

Health care leaders have repeatedly said that decision, especially being made so early on, helped prevent the outbreak in the United States from being worse than it currently is.

Before leaving office, Trump decided to roll back travel restrictions on those coming from Brazil, Ireland, and the United Kingdom.

On Monday, Biden reimplemented those very travel bans.

But - it's different when the left do it. Yeah, nah.

[pete376403]

Unlike Obama, trump did have the advantage that he was not up against a senate that was determined to block every proposed piece of legislation. Yet, even with that advantage, trump could not get Obamas signature piece, the ACA, repealed.

[sugilite]

As for Biden - he's already killed 70,000 jobs and the Sword of Damacles is hanging over New Mexico's oil and gas industry. There's been some rather hilarious posts by people who publicly supported Biden and have now found themselves on the chopping block crying 'No one told us he would do this' - and people like me going 'Yeah, we did - you called us names - and now you get what you fucking deserve'

The World does not need more fucking oil and gas pipelines, get with the program dinosaur.
Biden said many more jobs will be created with renewable energy initiatives. I believe him - on this one.

[Viking01]

On the grand scale - you can see the general upward trend of the US economy, but if you look at the detail - towards the end of Obama's presidency, Economic growth slowed down.

The other thing to note is that after you've had a massive crisis - the numbers can be misleading: going from 1 to 2 represents a 100% increase, whereas going from 10 to 15 is only a 50% increase, despite being a greater absolute change. I should add this is not a knock on Obama, whilst there are things to critique him on, overall he did okay - but look at the data from 15-16, you'll see a Slump, then Trump gets elected and it kicks back up again.

The other thing to note on things like Unemployment is the law of diminishing returns - so as the rate gets lower, the effort needed to lower it further becomes exponentially harder.

Granted, the rate of GDP growth for the "real" economy did reduce towards the end of Obama's second term (from +2.9% in 2015 down to +1.6% in 2016), but it was still positive. Given that some annualised statistics are not complied and finalised until well after the end of a period, this data might not have even been available (to voters) in November 2016 when the 2016 US election was held.

Furthermore, the US share-market was still looking positive at that time: See the 10 Year window for the lower chart: https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/index/djia/charts

I doubt very much either were significant reasons for Obama to be "shown the door" in 2016. Or for Trump to be elected.

Though I can however recall some other issues that might have contributed to Obama's exit. Such as:

1. Healthcare Plan (ACA) - over the course of 2008-10 - one that only a lobbyist for a health provider could love (effectively kicking single payer "Medicare for All" to the curb).

2. Backlash against Obama's tolerance of banking behaviour that led to the 2008-09 GFC - the Occupy Wall Street movement (and its eventual close-out by the Obama administration and some Democrat mayors in 2011).

3. Proposed Bank Regulation Legislation - culminating in the tepid Dodd-Frank Act in 2011 (supposedly to prevent the excesses leading to the 2008 GFC from ever happening again).

4. Weak Economic Stimulus post GFC - Anaemic economic stimulus package during first term, coupled with large numbers of Americans losing their jobs and their homes (the latter often due to illegal bank foreclosures)

5. Democrats losing control of the Senate in 2014 (hat-tip to Pete376403 - post #108).

6. Obama and Israel - culminating in Netanyahu speaking to the (Republican controlled) Senate in 2015.

7. Obama - Nobel Peace Prize winner and his human rights record - His drone assassination program; His failure to close Guantanamo Bay; Continuation of surveillance programmes initiated by GW Bush, and his failure to restrict domestic surveillance programmes following NSA exposure by Snowden in 2014.

8. Obama's lack of support for the Black sector of the US community - that their economic difficulties were the result of their own self-defeating and dysfunctional behaviour , and not in any way due to institutional racism [ Likely cost the Democrats dearly in terms of support in a number of swing states in the 2016 election ].

9. Hillary and her "basket of deplorables" and her "extreme carelessness with an email server".

10. The Tea Party and its strong advocacy for tax cuts - with support from organisations such as AFP (Americans for Prosperity) funded by the Kochs [ Perhaps the two words "Tax Cuts" resonated ].

As for Trump, how did Don - the least desired of the Republican candidates (from the GOP perspective) - end up as the Republican candidate ? And beat Hillary in the election ?

Perhaps his support for "tax cuts" (culminating in the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act) provided some early support:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_Cuts_and_Jobs_Act_of_2017

I struggled to find any mention of "swamp cleansing" within the GOP policy portfolio:
https://www.thebalance.com/do-republican-economic-policies-work-4129139

Perhaps that explains why the "honeymoon" did not last long.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

As for unemployment, I can't recall either of the two main parties having "reduction in unemployment" as a major policy plank. Especially in this heavily globalised world.

Not that I'd necessarily believe US job number reporting in any case:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/51582.htm

[TheDemonLord]

The World does not need more fucking oil and gas pipelines, get with the program dinosaur.
Biden said many more jobs will be created with renewable energy initiatives. I believe him - on this one.

And what do you do, if you are one of the ones laid off, between now and when these supposed jobs appear?

Like it or not - Oil and Gas is still the primary means of transportation. On top of that, I think there is great benefit to the world if the US is Energy sufficient and doesn't have to go poking it's nose in certain other areas of the map....

Now, if certain renewable technology had at least reached true parity with the current tech, it might not be so bad - I think I've pointed out in other threads that Constant Torque throughout a rev range, elimination of Gear Boxes (where applicable) and Motors per-hub are actually really good things for EVs, but until Battery recharge is on par with the time spent refuelling - they aren't comparable.

[R650R]

The World does not need more fucking oil and gas pipelines, get with the program dinosaur.
Biden said many more jobs will be created with renewable energy initiatives. I believe him - on this one.

Gasoline fuel alone is a 16 billion dollars a DAY industry, never mind associated revenues.

Your giant windy fairy wind turbines NEED dinosaur oil for the MASSIVE shear loads in their gear boxes, about 60-400L per turbine and needs frequent changing as it’s below spec of what they would like it to be.

Fossil fuels have highest energy density by weight and easiest to move and store. This is important when the military is the biggest user in world. An army can’t be idle waiting for batteries to recharge. EV will be great around town but petrol ain’t going away in a hurry

[sugilite]

And what do you do, if you are one of the ones laid off, between now and when these supposed jobs appear?

Like it or not - Oil and Gas is still the primary means of transportation. On top of that, I think there is great benefit to the world if the US is Energy sufficient and doesn't have to go poking it's nose in certain other areas of the map....

Now, if certain renewable technology had at least reached true parity with the current tech, it might not be so bad - I think I've pointed out in other threads that Constant Torque throughout a rev range, elimination of Gear Boxes (where applicable) and Motors per-hub are actually really good things for EVs, but until Battery recharge is on par with the time spent refuelling - they aren't comparable.


Gasoline fuel alone is a 16 billion dollars a DAY industry, never mind associated revenues.

Your giant windy fairy wind turbines NEED dinosaur oil for the MASSIVE shear loads in their gear boxes, about 60-400L per turbine and needs frequent changing as it’s below spec of what they would like it to be.

Fossil fuels have highest energy density by weight and easiest to move and store. This is important when the military is the biggest user in world. An army can’t be idle waiting for batteries to recharge. EV will be great around town but petrol ain’t going away in a hurry

Clearly you dinos have not been paying attention to the very fast in advances in battery tech - they have no been manufactured by a mass production factory - 5 minutes charge time, and this tech is in it's infancy, watch it fly when they develop it even further.
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/fast-charging-electric-car-battery-5-minutes-2021-1?r=US&IR=T

And as to DL's question what do they do for a job? Find another one, re-skill if need be. Same with all other jobs that have been made extinct by other tech.
And R650R, the time has well past for the humans to take the easiest, or cheapest option.

[TheDemonLord]

Clearly you dinos have not been paying attention to the very fast in advances in battery tech - they have no been manufactured by a mass production factory - 5 minutes charge time, and this tech is in it's infancy, watch it fly when they develop it even further.
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/fast-charging-electric-car-battery-5-minutes-2021-1?r=US&IR=T

I'm happy to see progress - but as you say 'in it's infancy' - so that's at least 10-15 years away from being a viable option, even with the rapid pace of development.


And as to DL's question what do they do for a job? Find another one

"The Peasants have no Bread!"
"Well let them eat Cake!"

[pritch]

5 minutes charge time, and this tech is in it's infancy,


For maybe five years I've had a trick musical pick up that charges to full in sixty seconds. I was imprssed then, still am.

[husaberg]

Gasoline fuel alone is a 16 billion dollars a DAY industry, never mind associated revenues.

Your giant windy fairy wind turbines NEED dinosaur oil for the MASSIVE shear loads in their gear boxes, about 60-400L per turbine and needs frequent changing as it’s below spec of what they would like it to be.

Fossil fuels have highest energy density by weight and easiest to move and store. This is important when the military is the biggest user in world. An army can’t be idle waiting for batteries to recharge. EV will be great around town but petrol ain’t going away in a hurry

World best oil for most properties is Castor based.

[pritch]

World best oil for most properties is Castor based.

That may be out of date now with the arrival of synthetics, most of which are mineral based.

[husaberg]

President Donald Trump halted flights from China this time last year in an attempt to prevent the Wuhan coronavirus from spreading throughout the United States.

When he implemented those travel restrictions, the left – including now President Joe Biden – accused Trump of being a "xenophobic" and a "racist."



really.....................

forty-five nations imposed travel restrictions on China before the United States did. The earliest of those restrictions went into effect Jan. 24, nine days before the U.S. travel ban went into effect on Feb. 2. The U.S. travel restriction came a month after China first announced its outbreak and at a point when the United States and more than 20 other countries had already reported coronavirus cases. Several of those countries, including Germany and the United States, were already reporting local transmission of cases. Between the first official report of an outbreak in China and the announcement of U.S. travel restrictions, more than 40,000 travelers from China were estimated to have entered the United States.

The measure that the Trump administration implemented could not be described as a “ban” that “closed the country”: It only prohibited U.S. entry to foreign nationals who had visited China in the last 14 days. Americans and U.S. permanent residents returning from Hubei Province were still allowed, subject to a 14-day quarantine. After these policies were enacted, hundreds of thousands of travelers continued to arrive in the United States via direct flights from China. Until Feb. 27, no other travelers to the United States faced such travel restrictions and quarantine requirements — even if they were arriving from other nations that were reporting coronavirus cases.

Restricting flights from China did nothing to prevent the virus from arriving from other parts of the world. Genetic analyses have shown that the large epidemic that unfolded in New York was linked to travelers from Europe. In the early days of the U.S. epidemic, testing was restricted to people with a travel history to China, which limited the ability to detect locally the cases and infections among travelers from other countries.

By the time Trump expanded travel restrictions to Iran on Feb. 28 and to European nations on March 12, it was largely too late. By mid-March, the United States was approaching 2,000 confirmed cases and experiencing severe shortages in testing capacity that meant many infections likely went undiagnosed. The travel restriction did not initially apply to the United Kingdom, which already had hundreds of reported cases.

Before this pandemic, the World Health Organization had warned that travel bans contribute to “a false impression of control” — the misperception that a ban would stop the spread of disease. The reliance on travel bans over domestic readiness.

The combination of travel restrictions within China and international travel restrictions against China may have delayed the spread of the coronavirus across the globe in the first 50 days of this pandemic. Those delays were useful to nations such as New Zealand, Australia and Taiwan that used the opportunity to expand testing, contact tracing and other aggressive domestic measures to control the spread of the virus. The United States did not do so. Before March 1, U.S. public health departments conducted fewer than 100 tests.



That may be out of date now with the arrival of synthetics, most of which are mineral based.

You would think so, but Castor is still rated as good or better in most extreme applications.
up until the end of the 2ts in 500GP (ie the real actual top notch high output racers over 400HP per liter) not tthe farty noise wantabees.
But despite what the stickers on the fairings said it was still mostly always castor from a company famous for it.
That is not to say it doesn't have some drawbacks for daily use.
it matters not anyway, as r650's point was rather silly considering the oils needed for the other source of energy. h'es throwing out a rather smelly red hearing
http://www.klemmvintage.com/oils.htm

[sugilite]

I'm happy to see progress - but as you say 'in it's infancy' - so that's at least 10-15 years away from being a viable option, even with the rapid pace of development.

It is at 5 minute charge now :facepalm: Using someones words against them is only effective it it is actually meaningful - your effort is pfffffft.
10 to 15 years? They will probably have gone through 2 if not 3 completely different and better battery tech in that time.
You really are a dino :bleh:

[TheDemonLord]

It is at 5 minute charge now :facepalm: Using someones words against them is only effective it it is actually meaningful - your effort is pfffffft.
10 to 15 years? They will probably have gone through 2 if not 3 completely different and better battery tech in that time.
You really are a dino :bleh:

There's a world of difference between charging in 5 minutes in a controlled environment under ideal conditions and charging in 5 minutes in the real world.

10 -15 years is generally the time for a new technology (especially Tech where there are regulatory and safety hoops involved) to go from Proof of Concept (which is where we are at now) to: small scale test, large scale test, initial roll out and finally fullscale roll out.

Again - I'm quite excited for Electric Vehicles to mature to the point where they are on parity with Petrol vehicles, but until that happens it's premature.

Then after that we have to address the Elephant in the room for Electric Vehicles:

Where does the Electricity that power them come from? Solar? Wind? Nuclear? Fossil Fuels (oops!)? Geothermal? All of them have downsides - such as location, public perception, consistency etc.

Personally - I'm most interested in someone developing a means of reliably harvesting Electricity from Waves/Tides in the sea

[sugilite]

There's a world of difference between charging in 5 minutes in a controlled environment under ideal conditions and charging in 5 minutes in the real world.
If you had read the article, the drawback right now is there are no chargers powerful enough - that will change fairly quickly. Oh, 3 major car manufacturers including Toyota have announced solid state battery vehicles for production in 2023.


10 -15 years is generally the time for a new technology (especially Tech where there are regulatory and safety hoops involved) to go from Proof of Concept (which is where we are at now) to: small scale test, large scale test, initial roll out and finally fullscale roll out.
These batteries were produced in a factory - 1000 of them. It is not going to take 10 to 15 years before they are ready.



Where does the Electricity that power them come from? Solar? Wind? Nuclear? Fossil Fuels (oops!)? Geothermal? All of them have downsides - such as location, public perception, consistency etc.

Personally - I'm most interested in someone developing a means of reliably harvesting Electricity from Waves/Tides in the sea
Tidal has it's proponents as well, environmental damage they say.
Lets simply pick options that are not going to kill billions in the future eh. Hot tip, it is not yet another oil pipeline.

[TheDemonLord]

If you had read the article, the drawback right now is there are no chargers powerful enough - that will change fairly quickly. Oh, 3 major car manufacturers including Toyota have announced solid state battery vehicles for production in 2023.

So, the technology isn't Mature. This is not to knock it, but simply saying that if everything is ready in 2023 - what do the people who have lost their jobs between now and then do?

And that is assuming that there is perfect fluidity between someone who has spent 20-30 years specializing in an industry to working in a completely different industry.


These batteries were produced in a factory - 1000 of them. It is not going to take 10 to 15 years before they are ready.

Sure, but that's a small production run. That is 1/10th of a single day's worth of Production run for say a Corrolla. As an interesting aside - the Toyota Prius was first released in 1997, didn't really get a major release until 2004 and the plugin version (what we think of when someone says 'Prius') wasn't released until 2011.

Don't get me wrong - a rapid charge battery sounds great and I can't wait to see the progress, but to go from a production run of 1000 to a full scale run is going to take time.


Tidal has it's proponents as well, environmental damage they say.

Everything has a trade off - the main problem with Tidal is consistent power delivery and being able to handle storm surges. Apparently Waves don't care what they crash into ;)


Lets simply pick options that are not going to kill billions in the future eh. Hot tip, it is not yet another oil pipeline.

I'm going to answer this with a bit of a story:

I have a book, on Energy production, it's a Kids book - but the interesting thing was that it was written in 1990s - in fact - it's this one: https://www.bookdepository.com/Energy-Power-Richard-Spurgeon/9780746004227 - there's 2 things that are interesting in it.

The first is the tone - for example, there's a section on Nuclear Power which lists the positives of Nuclear power and some of the criticisms - and closes by inviting the reader to write to both sides of the argument and request more information, so that they make up their own mind.

The second is in the back of the book, it lists a number of stats about Energy production - including things like X million barrels per day and what the current reserves are and how long they are expected to last with the current reserves and the current rate of production.

Those predictions (with the advent of 30 years) have shown to be wrong. I also still have school books (that were written in the 80s) that have a similar section - listing current reserves and current consumption and making a prediction that and categorically wrong.

I'm going to end with this source: https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-of-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions/ and the actual point:

The Claim that something we are doing now is going to Kill Billions in the future is a Claim that I've heard from the 'environmental' side for my entire life. And I've still got the books and the memory of where these claims were written and what the time-scales were. On every claim that they've made, they've been wrong. And not just a bit wrong, but completely wrong.

Does this mean that like the boy who called wolf, they should be dismissed out of hand? No. I look forward to functional green technologies that are both better for the environment AND fulfill all the requirements of the end user.

But that also means we should treat those with a particular vested interest in there being a Climate Crisis with a high degree of suspicion when they tell us that there is another catastrophe around the bend and we should remind ourselves that their predictions to date have been wrong.

[mashman]

How do you stop a loon when authority has the loons' back.

[pritch]

Ah now I see. All those American forest fires weren't caused by the states not sweeping the forest floor as Trump claimed. It was Jewish space lasers.

https://www.newsweek.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-jewish-space-laser-mockery-1565325

[R650R]

It is at 5 minute charge now :facepalm: Using someones words against them is only effective it it is actually meaningful - your effort is pfffffft.
10 to 15 years? They will probably have gone through 2 if not 3 completely different and better battery tech in that time.
You really are a dino :bleh:

Saw a good breakdown other day of how Lithium is the only metal suitable for the types of batteries needed for EV. And it has set lifecycle properties dictated by science. You can abuse all manner of batteries in quick charges briefly but long term it’s not effective. Also taking them them to zero or near zero charge is not good for them despite what some will claim.

Even Electric Jesus’s latest claim of new battery tech is not his, Panasonic owns the tech and it’s still just another lithium phosphate battery.
Lithium batteries aren’t new technology so don’t expect any major miracle advancement ts when the chemistry is already known.

[R650R]

Lets simply pick options that are not going to kill billions in the future eh. Hot tip, it is not yet another oil pipeline.

The industrial revolution and fossil fuel agriculture has bought life to billions. The easy transport, storage and low cost has enabled mass industrial agriculture whi has fed billions....

Could you imagine the catastrophe if the grid went down and electric trucks and harvesters couldn’t be charged???! Never mind that such specialised gear is usually double shifted and never idle during harvest times.... You can’t stop and plug in when a rain storm is headed to wheat field...

[sugilite]

The industrial revolution and fossil fuel agriculture has bought life to billions. The easy transport, storage and low cost has enabled mass industrial agriculture whi has fed billions....

Could you imagine the catastrophe if the grid went down and electric trucks and harvesters couldn’t be charged???! Never mind that such specialised gear is usually double shifted and never idle during harvest times.... You can’t stop and plug in when a rain storm is headed to wheat field...

I don't think that not going ahead with one pipeline is going to bring all that catastrophe to fruition.

[sugilite]

Saw a good breakdown other day of how Lithium is the only metal suitable for the types of batteries needed for EV. And it has set lifecycle properties dictated by science. You can abuse all manner of batteries in quick charges briefly but long term it’s not effective. Also taking them them to zero or near zero charge is not good for them despite what some will claim.

Even Electric Jesus’s latest claim of new battery tech is not his, Panasonic owns the tech and it’s still just another lithium phosphate battery.
Lithium batteries aren’t new technology so don’t expect any major miracle advancement ts when the chemistry is already known.

And yet.....
https://www.mining.com/fast-charging-ev-batteries-closer-to-hitting-the-market/

[pritch]

Following the massive failure of the prophesies of QAnon you'd think the penny would have dropped. They are off again though, the recent inauguration was a sham apparently. The insanity is strong in the USA, and they still can't spell 'martial'...

[pritch]

This makes sense. So will doubtless come as a shock to some.

https://www.newsweek.com/us-jobs-income-gdp-growth-startlingly-higher-under-democratic-presidents-analysis-1566313

[R650R]

And yet.....
https://www.mining.com/fast-charging-ev-batteries-closer-to-hitting-the-market/

And yet another Electric Jesus style empty promise of salvation....

Written by “staff writer” translation cut and paste plagiarism from another publication “Nature Journal” sounds really scientific and credible lol...

The study by researchers at x University...well anything is possible in a lab but is it viable in real world conditions....

They use Watt hours instead of amp hour so to get a bigger more impressive sounding number. Given typical high dc voltages in EV cars a bit of maths says it’s a humble 100amp hour battery...

It has a range of 250 miles... powering what at what average speed and conditions???
It has a 2 million mile lifetime .... powering what and in what conditions
Absolute fluff piece...

Even once something commercially viable is made I’d derate whatever the manufacturer claims by at least 25%. Seen heaps in trucking industry where manufacturer claims a lot on paper about performance and service intervals but it’s not until you have real world commercial use that you see how something actually performs.
Iv’e no doubt stuff with decent range will come out soon but how long it lasts is another story..,

[Bonez]

And yet another Electric Jesus style empty promise of salvation....

Written by “staff writer” translation cut and paste plagiarism from another publication “Nature Journal” sounds really scientific and credible lol...

The study by researchers at x University...well anything is possible in a lab but is it viable in real world conditions....

They use Watt hours instead of amp hour so to get a bigger more impressive sounding number. Given typical high dc voltages in EV cars a bit of maths says it’s a humble 100amp hour battery...

It has a range of 250 miles... powering what at what average speed and conditions???
It has a 2 million mile lifetime .... powering what and in what conditions
Absolute fluff piece...

Even once something commercially viable is made I’d derate whatever the manufacturer claims by at least 25%. Seen heaps in trucking industry where manufacturer claims a lot on paper about performance and service intervals but it’s not until you have real world commercial use that you see how something actually performs.
Iv’e no doubt stuff with decent range will come out soon but how long it lasts is another story..,Stop it!! You are going to confuse the poor woman.

Just saying...

[ellipsis]

...hmmmm...

[Bonez]

...hmmmm...Did you drop a stitch?:cool:

[sugilite]

And yet another Electric Jesus style empty promise of salvation....

Written by “staff writer” translation cut and paste plagiarism from another publication “Nature Journal” sounds really scientific and credible lol...


How precious, KB's biggest conspiracy loony all of a sudden cares about facts and science :laugh:


Stop it!! You are going to confuse the poor woman.

Just saying...
Awww, how adorbs! Looks like kb's Babyboner is back. Guess the weeny whiner is out on a home visit from the palmie psych ward and has internet access again :msn-wink:

[Bonez]

Blah blah fuckng blah.

Keep that knitting up.

Oh, and keep lisenting to those angry little voices in your head deary,

Just saying.....

[pritch]

Joe Biden has asked (or is about to ask) for the resignation of nearly all US Attorneys. US Attorneys serve at the pleasure of the president so it is normal for an incoming president to ask for these resignations. Two US Attorneys will be permitted to stay and continue their work: the US Attorney in Delaware investigatig Hunter Biden, and the US Attoreny investigating the FBI spying on the 2016 Trump campaign.

Amazing. Unlike the last four years where self interest was the sole criterion, decisions are being made on the basis of ethical considerations. How refreshing.

[pritch]

Texas has suffered a severe winter storm. Large areas are fozen and the power is cut to millions apparently. They aren't used to this. Just a week or two ago Republican poiticians were suggesting Texas secede from the union, but they were super fast on the draw when it came to rquesting emergency aid. Unlike Trump, Biden responded quickly, and he didn't even ask for a favour.

Now the Republican politicians are blaming Biden and Harris's Green New Deal for the power outage. Never mind that there hasn't been time yet for the new administration to even start work on their green agenda. The Republican story also ignores the history. Texas withdrew from the national grid and went it alone. They could do it better they said. They dereglated the market and arranged it so the people who owned the power companies could make more money. Now suddenly it's all somebody else's fault.




https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/05/texas-republicans-endorse-legislation-vote-secession

[pritch]

The Texas power outage is creating oportunites for politicians to shoot themselves in the foot. Rick Perry has said on FOX that lack of power due to green policies as espoused by AOC will kill people. This is the same Rick Perry who as Governor of Texas took Texas off the national grid. Having done such a stunningly good job of that, Trump made him Secretary of Energy in charge of all US energy generation. And the nuclear arsenal.

After decades of Republican control in Texas, officials are blaming the democrats and windmills. The windmills in Texas were not 'winterised' and they failed. There are parts of the US that experience much colder weather than Texas and their wind turbines did not experience the same failure rate. Greenland apparently uses wind turbines without too much difficulty. Not that reality has much to do with things in Texas. About 88% of their power comes from nuclear, coal,* or predominantly natural gas. Only about 12% comes from wind turbines. The cold put one of the nuclear stations and most of the gas fired generation out of action. It has been suggested that the problem in Texas is that everything was done on the cheap.



* I've also seen mention of oil which makes more sense it is Texas after all.

[scumdog]

The Texas power outage is creating oportunites for politicians to shoot themselves in the foot. Rick Perry has said on FOX that lack of power due to green policies as espoused by AOC will kill people. This is the same Rick Perry who as Governor of Texas took Texas off the national grid. Having done such a stunningly good job of that, Trump made him Secretary of Energy in charge of all US energy generation. And the nuclear arsenal.

After decades of Republican control in Texas, officials are blaming the democrats and windmills. The windmills in Texas were not 'winterised' and they failed. There are parts of the US that experience much colder weather than Texas and their wind turbines did not experience the same failure rate. Greenland apparently uses wind turbines without too much difficulty. Not that reality has much to do with things in Texas. About 88% of their power comes from nuclear, coal,* or predominantly natural gas. Only about 12% comes from wind turbines. The cold put one of the nuclear stations and most of the gas fired generation out of action. It has been suggested that the problem in Texas is that everything was done on the cheap.



* I've also seen mention of oil which makes more sense it is Texas after all.

Thanks for that Pritch, I know one or two people in Texas including San Antonio which has had the first snow in many years.

[pritch]

Thanks for that Pritch, I know one or two people in Texas including San Antonio which has had the first snow in many years.

TV1 News tonight made the situation look a whole lot worse than had been presented previously. I'd read 10 people had died, presumably frozen. If I heard right the news mentioned over 100 have died of carbon monoxide poisoning from running their cars in the garage to get warm. Others have burned down their house while trying to heat it.

Millions have no water and no power and it's below freezing. Tough on the homeless. Senator Ted Cruze of Texas is a good man in a tight spot, he has taken off with his family to a resort in Cancun, Mexico. Just across the water from Cuba. Should be a lot nicer there.


Lubbock, Texas 13°F. (minus 11c)
Cancun, Mexico 85°F. (30 deg c )

[ellipsis]

...not to worry...just the plight of another third world country masquerading as #1...sounds a bit like here...

[pritch]

It turns out the situation in Texas is not without precedent. They had a freeze in 1989 which caused similar problems and another in 2011. Following the 2011 freeze the national electricity body (FERC) investigated and produced a 300 plus page report. The basis of the report was that electricity generation in Texas should be winterised.

It seems that because:
1) it would have cut profits and
2) Texan politicians don't like the federal govt telling them what to do, precisely nothing was done.

If Texans keep electing clowns such as those that have been running the state for decades nothing will change.

Just one problem among many, Harris County Jail. Nine thousand prisoners, 2000 guards, they have electricity but no water pressure. The toilets don't flush.

[pete376403]

Wind farms generate somewhere between 10% - 12% of Texas power.

[TheDemonLord]

Wind farms generate somewhere between 10% - 12% of Texas power.

I'd hazard a guess that Turbines in Antarctica are designed for Antarctic conditions, whereas the Turbines in Texas probably aren't...

[pete376403]

I'd hazard a guess that Turbines in Antarctica are designed for Antarctic conditions, whereas the Turbines in Texas probably aren't...
Well maybe that should have been taken into consideration when they were installed. It's not like snowfall in Texas is unknown. This storms severity might be unusual, but good management practice should consider unusual events when planning. How many corners were cut to generate a higher profit?

"The Northern Plains' climate is semi-arid and is prone to drought, annually receiving between 16 and 32 inches (810 mm) of precipitation, and average annual snowfall ranging between 15 and 30 inches, with the greatest snowfall amounts occurring in the Texas panhandle and areas near the border with New Mexico."

[pritch]

Well maybe that should have been taken into consideration when they were installed. It's not like snowfall in Texas is unknown. This storms severity might be unusual, but good management practice should consider unusual events when planning. How many corners were cut to generate a higher profit?



As has been mentioned this extreme cold weather seems to occur every ten years or so. Following the 2011 incident Texas was advised to 'winterise' their generation resources but they knew better. Greenland and Denmark among others use wind turbines. The reasons the Texan turnbines failed are basically stupidity and greed.

There are several pics of wind turbines in Antarctica circulating, you saved me the trouble of posting one.

[TheDemonLord]

Well maybe that should have been taken into consideration when they were installed. It's not like snowfall in Texas is unknown. This storms severity might be unusual, but good management practice should consider unusual events when planning. How many corners were cut to generate a higher profit?

No doubt there's factors at play - and the ones listed are entirely reasonable, Management loves to not spend big bucks on upgrades to protect against 1 in X year events.

It's more that the comparison is a touch unreasonable, since when designing a system, one can be reasonably sure that in Antarctica, one is going to encounter sub-zero temps...

[R650R]

Biden promised a dark winter and is punishing Texas for being pro gun and pro trump

[pritch]

Biden promised a dark winter and is punishing Texas for being pro gun and pro trump

Read the thread. Biden responded immediately and he didn't even ask for a favour.

This is all down to the fuckwits that Texans elect. Any idiot as long as he's Republican. Those at the top are imbeciles.
One of their senators, Cruz, just shot through for a tropical holiday. Caught, he's now blaming his children. The Lt Gov said the elderly should scrifice themselves to Covid for the economy. Either he or the Governor, another idiot, actually said there's worse things than dying. WTF?

On the basis that it's generally accepted we get the politicians we deserve, too many Texans are seriously stupid.

Some KBers aren't looking too flash currently either. Chiming in on a thread they obviously haven't read and having read nothing else sensible either.

[Viking01]

Read the thread. Biden responded immediately and he didn't even ask for a favour.

This is all down to the fuckwits that Texans elect. Any idiot as long as he's Republican. Those at the top are imbeciles.
One of their senators, Cruz, just shot through for a tropical holiday. Caught, he's now blaming his children. The Lt Gov said the elderly should scrifice themselves to Covid for the economy. Either he or the Governor, another idiot, actually said there's worse things than dying. WTF?

On the basis that it's generally accepted we get the politicians we deserve, too many Texans are seriously stupid.



https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/18/rick-perry-texans-endure-blackouts-keep-government-out

[Edit]

https://www.commondreams.org/further/2021/02/18/let-them-melt-snow
https://www.commondreams.org/further/2021/02/17/its-winds-fault-nobody-owes-you-anything-quit-crying-weak-will-parish-sic-and

[scumdog]

TV1 News tonight made the situation look a whole lot worse than had been presented previously. I'd read 10 people had died, presumably frozen. If I heard right the news mentioned over 100 have died of carbon monoxide poisoning from running their cars in the garage to get warm. Others have burned down their house while trying to heat it.

Millions have no water and no power and it's below freezing. Tough on the homeless. Senator Ted Cruze of Texas is a good man in a tight spot, he has taken off with his family to a resort in Cancun, Mexico. Just across the water from Cuba. Should be a lot nicer there.


Lubbock, Texas 13°F. (minus 11c)
Cancun, Mexico 85°F. (30 deg c )


A guy I know in San Antonia in his 80's says he gets power for 20 minutes then a 20 minute power outage so as to spread what electricity there is.

Says it has been the biggest and coldest snowfall 'in years'.

Detroit was also hit fairly hard but but the guy I know there pointed out their system is set up to cope with such incidents,

[pritch]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/18/rick-perry-texans-endure-blackouts-keep-government-out

[Edit]

https://www.commondreams.org/further/2021/02/18/let-them-melt-snow
https://www.commondreams.org/further/2021/02/17/its-winds-fault-nobody-owes-you-anything-quit-crying-weak-will-parish-sic-and

Then there's this.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/jerry-jones-gas-company-hits-jackpot-with-surge-during-texas-power-outages/ar-BB1dNvCd

[Viking01]

Then there's this.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/jerry-jones-gas-company-hits-jackpot-with-surge-during-texas-power-outages/ar-BB1dNvCd

And:

https://www.newsweek.com/one-texas-resident-still-has-power-his-bill-now-over-8000-1570343

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2021/02/cold-truth-the-texas-freeze-is-a-catastrophe-of-the-free-market.html

[pritch]

Good news, bad news item. Some people in Texas have had their power restored. The price of power has jumped from $50 per MW to $9,000 per MW.

[Viking01]

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/texas-blackouts-spark-first-lawsuit-ag-vows-probe

[pritch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOnGNSDlZJU

[R650R]

Good news, bad news item. Some people in Texas have had their power restored. The price of power has jumped from $50 per MW to $9,000 per MW.

As per the communist plan/doctrine, if they don't manage to freeze you to death they will smash you financially into poverty/homeless/hunger....

Good thing we haven't mainstreamed electric transport yet...

Dark Winter hasn't even started yet...

That's why I'm on a fixed rate plan......

It's pertinent to note at this time that some years ago previously illegal trading of food commodities on stock market was made legal. So now the casino financial markets can do with grain prices exactly what's happened here with the angry pixies distribution albeit through a different mechanism.....

Dark Winter coming to a theatre..., no, failing western democracy near you soon......

[Kickaha]

As per the communist plan/doctrine, if they don't manage to freeze you to death they will smash you financially into poverty/homeless/hunger....

The great state of Texas did that to themselves with no Communist help

[F5 Dave]

If democracy is failing then we should embrace the control of state surely? Thanks I hadn't thought that.

[pritch]

As per the communist plan/doctrine,

The shit show that runs Texas is the opposite of communist. They are capitalist. Corrupt capitalist, but capitalist. The Governor and Lt Gov are fucking imbeciles, just a couple of weeks ago they were talking about withdrawing Texas from the United States. The senior senator from Texas is missing in action, nobody knows where he is. The junior senator from Texas flew to a Mexican resort with his family and was shamed into returning to Texas immediately. Not that he's any use.

Meanwhile their fellow citizens freeze, or go broke as a result of water damage and ludicrous power prices.

[Viking01]

A few other little snippets picked up in passing:

Ted Cruz's wife (Heidi Cruz), still in Cancun, is a managing director at Goldman Sachs, which maintains a controlling interest in several Texas utility companies, including Energy Future Holdings.

Despite having several small electricity inter-changes, the deregulated Texas power grid is not permitted to buy power from out of state.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-weather-power-prices-explainer/explainer-texass-one-of-a-kind-power-system-raises-questions-during-price-spike-idUSKBN2AG2KD

El Paso was spared rolling blackouts largely because its grid lies outside of the ERCOT system.

The cold spell being experienced by North America is apparently a result of a wavy polar vortex:

https://www.noaa.gov/multimedia/infographic/science-behind-polar-vortex-you-might-want-to-put-on-sweater

Though I half suspect that evil Mr Putin has been playing with the weather on his side of the Arctic ... and exporting all their cold air up over the Pole ... I'm surprised that the American media haven't picked up on that yet .... 8-)

[pritch]

The cold spell being experienced by North America is apparently a result of a wavy polar vortex:


I did read a learned explanation of what has been happening but it was very technical and I only retained a simplified version. That's an easier to understand explanation, the pictures help.

[Kickaha]

The Governor and Lt Gov are fucking imbeciles

They've got some fucked up Mayors as well https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tim-boyd-texas-mayor-colorado-city-resigns-power-outages/

[F5 Dave]

That was probably taken out of context. He was probably implying that only the rich would survive.

[R650R]

The shit show that runs Texas is the opposite of communist. They are capitalist. Corrupt capitalist, but capitalist. The Governor and Lt Gov are fucking imbeciles, just a couple of weeks ago they were talking about withdrawing Texas from the United States. The senior senator from Texas is missing in action, nobody knows where he is. The junior senator from Texas flew to a Mexican resort with his family and was shamed into returning to Texas immediately. Not that he's any use.

Meanwhile their fellow citizens freeze, or go broke as a result of water damage and ludicrous power prices.

Sounds like an easy place then for a communist infiltrator with Stuxnet virus on UBS stick to waltz in and do some damage then..,,

[pete376403]

Sounds like an easy place then for a communist infiltrator with Stuxnet virus on UBS stick to waltz in and do some damage then..,,


For Stuxnet to work in texas there would need to be a working network. Besides why would anyone bother with stuxnet when the capitalists/republicans have already put the network into a state where it can be crippled by natural events?

[Bonez]

It has been reported Biden wants everyone to stop talking about Trump.

[Bonez]

President Bidens first month:

-Schools closed
-Keystone Pipeline canceled
-Radical immigration bill introduced
-Iran Deal coming back
-Political rival impeached-FAILED!!
-Mexico City Policy rescinded
-1776 Commission scrapped

But don't worry. He is a moderate.

Just saying....

[Bonez]

Just in. Biden has admitted he does not know what he is signing.

[Bonez]

It's been reported that President Biden promised that the United States would not engage in
foreign policy that nontransactional.

Translation: going to give away US citizens tax dollars and
not benefit Americans.

[Viking01]

Good news, bad news item. Some people in Texas have had their power restored. The price of power has jumped from $50 per MW to $9,000 per MW.

Now the "other shoe" is about to drop:

https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/texas-grid-operator-warns-defaults-credit-crisis-develops

[neels]

Now the "other shoe" is about to drop:

https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/texas-grid-operator-warns-defaults-credit-crisis-develops

Sounds like they've created a monster that's about to turn around and eat them.

Opting out of regulation to allow unrestrained corporate greed probably seemed like a great idea, but the law of unforeseen consequences is always lurking around the corner just waiting for a chance to bite your arse.

The most entertaining bit is definitely blaming Biden and the green agenda for causing a crisis, in a republican run state that has intentionally turned over responsibility for it's power infrastructure to private companies.

[Bonez]

URGENT ANNOUCEMENT BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA- PRESIDENT JOE {I WILL SIGN ANYTHING} BIDEN.

My fellow American citizens your daughters are invited to my signiture Sniff n Grope. Make Bokings with Nancy[who is actually really running the place] so she set you up for a suitable time and date. Free candy available for the kids and free pure miniral water for the adults. make those bokings early to be in first.

If in daught of my expertise in the feild feel free to visit youtube and see my previous work.

Signed:

Creepy Uncle Joe

This announcement was sponsored in part by the following:

DNC, CIA, FBI. The Clinton Foundation and Google.

[TheDemonLord]

4 years of peace, and it's only taken Biden 2 months:

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=biden+syria

Oh well, it was nice while it lasted.

[Bonez]

4 years of peace, and it's only taken Biden 2 months:

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=biden+syria
Oh well, it was nice while it lasted. I'm sure Biden will get the Noble Peace prize before the end of his term is completed.

[pete376403]

4 years of peace, and it's only taken Biden 2 months:

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=biden+syria

Oh well, it was nice while it lasted.

Thats a fairly limited definition of peace. Not like american allies israel or saudi arabia shut down operations over those four years, and not like america stopped supplying war materiel to them .

then there is: https://www.businessinsider.com.au/trump-afghanistan-airstrikes-increased-civilian-deaths-by-330-since-2016-2020-12?r=US&IR=T

or this:https://www.newsweek.com/trump-us-military-deaths-war-zones-are-first-time-six-years-716981

or this:https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/us-airstrikes-yemen-civilian-deaths/2020/10/27/97016ce0-1856-11eb-bb35-2dcfdab0a345_story.html

so, yeah, peace in our time (to coin a phrase)

[TheDemonLord]

Thats a fairly limited definition of peace. Not like american allies israel or saudi arabia shut down operations over those four years, and not like america stopped supplying war materiel to them .

then there is: https://www.businessinsider.com.au/trump-afghanistan-airstrikes-increased-civilian-deaths-by-330-since-2016-2020-12?r=US&IR=T

or this:https://www.newsweek.com/trump-us-military-deaths-war-zones-are-first-time-six-years-716981

or this:https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/us-airstrikes-yemen-civilian-deaths/2020/10/27/97016ce0-1856-11eb-bb35-2dcfdab0a345_story.html

so, yeah, peace in our time (to coin a phrase)

I agree it's a limited definition of Peace.

But 2 Months.

2.
Whole.
Months.

[husaberg]

Thats a fairly limited definition of peace. Not like american allies israel or saudi arabia shut down operations over those four years, and not like america stopped supplying war materiel to them .

then there is: https://www.businessinsider.com.au/trump-afghanistan-airstrikes-increased-civilian-deaths-by-330-since-2016-2020-12?r=US&IR=T

or this:https://www.newsweek.com/trump-us-military-deaths-war-zones-are-first-time-six-years-716981

or this:https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/us-airstrikes-yemen-civilian-deaths/2020/10/27/97016ce0-1856-11eb-bb35-2dcfdab0a345_story.html

so, yeah, peace in our time (to coin a phrase)

one would suspect he willingly chose to ignore the stikes on Syria and Iran Trump ordered........

[Bonez]

It's just a WE'RE BAAAACk!! announcement.

Krikey they can't even stop their own front lawn from getting invaded.:lol:

And of course there's probably a tons of lifeEx munitions they need to depose of in a hurry.

Covid-19? Oh fuck it!!!

[Viking01]

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/senate-passes-19-trillion-stimulus-package

Passed successfully after the Minimum wage amendment was earlier removed.

https://truthout.org/articles/eight-democrats-joined-gop-to-vote-down-sanderss-15-minimum-wage-amendment/

[R650R]

https://youtu.be/KqisewD66lQ

[Kickaha]

That stupid bitch shouldn't even be using the word transparency given her track record of being a lying fucking whore

[Viking01]

No sooner gotten the new security detail in place and operational at the White House, and they get sent packing home to Delaware:

https://www.rt.com/usa/517645-biden-dogs-sent-home/

Mind you, I can't help wondering if Joe now feels like joining them:

https://southfront.org/in-embarrassing-senior-moment-biden-forgets-what-pentagons-called-blanks-on-secretary-of-defense-name/
https://www.rt.com/usa/517538-biden-no-press-conference-questions/

In his absence, the wheels of democracy still seem to have been kept turning:

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/who-president-kamala-harris-takes-another-call-foreign-leader

[TheDemonLord]

That stupid bitch shouldn't even be using the word transparency given her track record of being a lying fucking whore

Now, just consider for the moment if someone 'on the right' had said that about someone on the left.

The shrieks and wails of Misogyny would be deafening.

[pritch]

No sooner gotten the new security detail in place and operational at the White House, and they get sent packing home to Delaware:

https://www.rt.com/usa/517645-biden-dogs-sent-home/

Mind you, I can't help wondering if Joe now feels like joining them:

https://southfront.org/in-embarrassing-senior-moment-biden-forgets-what-pentagons-called-blanks-on-secretary-of-defense-name/
https://www.rt.com/usa/517538-biden-no-press-conference-questions/

In his absence, the wheels of democracy still seem to have been kept turning:

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/who-president-kamala-harris-takes-another-call-foreign-leader


I'm currently reading "We Are Bellingcat" (recommended) and as a consequence would be very selective when quoting RT. It is a Russian Govt operation and is often used to spread propaganda. Following the downing of the Malaysian airliner over Ukraine, RT was a major source of misinformation. The aim being to "flood the zone with shit" to quote Steve Bannon.

Afterthought: For anyone unfamiliar with who Bellingcat is, they do open source investigations. Mostly volunteers, they are usually way ahead of the professionals such as MI6 and the CIA etc.
https://www.bellingcat.com

[Bonez]

I'm currently reading "We Are Bellingcat" (recommended) and as a consequence would be very selective when quoting RT. It is a Russian Govt operation and is often used to spread propaganda. Following the downing of the Malaysian airliner over Ukraine, RT was a major source of misinformation. The aim being to "flood the zone with shit" to quote Steve Bannon. RT America is far better than CNN, BBC, MSNBC etc Pumpkin.

It has a far more balanced approach at reporting and no where near as one sided as the others.

[george formby]

RT America is far better than CNN, BBC, MSNBC etc Pumpkin.

It has a far more balanced approach at reporting and no where near as one sided as the others.

Not everyone agrees. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_(TV_network)

[pritch]

Not everyone agrees. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_(TV_network)

Gotta share the love...

I seem to recall someone claimed he had a security clearance. If they give them to people who boost Russian propaganda, they must just give them to anybody.

[Bonez]

Gotta share the love...

I seem to recall someone claimed he had a security clearance. If they give them to people who boost Russian propaganda, they must just give them to anybody.
Pumpkin you really are on another planet. I had a Yop Secret security cleanance{not the highest} and work in Air Staff at Wallington for three and a half years.

What security clearance do you have to post all of your propaganda. :lol:

[Bonez]

Not everyone agrees. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_(TV_network)It is fine to have a different point of veiw. I'm going by my observations over the last 5 years of actually veiwing US main stream media.
also Wikipedia iks not rhe be all of information. I've noted 100s of clearing errors over the years. Also information has been removed if it goes against it's owners agenda.

Just saying...

[george formby]

It is fine to have a different p;oint of veiw. I'm going by my observations over the last 5 years of actually veiwing US main stream media.

I can't watch US main stream media for more than 5 minutes. Makes the Norwegian news appealing.

Sitcoms are crap, too. Ok, maybe Married with Children ranks.

[Bonez]

I can't watch US main stream media for more than 5 minutes. Makes the Norwegian news appealing.

Sitcoms are crap, too. Ok, maybe Married with Children ranks.
I view it as Comady Hour... Fredo, that handsy up bumb in bars gay black dude and Richard Madcow are hilarious.:yes:

When they have mutiple guests on at the same time it is like watching the Muppets.:bash:

[pritch]

Pumpkin you really are on another planet. I had a Yop Secret security cleanance{not the highest} and work in Air Staff at Wallington for three and a half years.

What security clearance do you have to post all of your propaganda. :lol:

Yop Security? That must be special. As in 'special needs'.

I didn't have a security clearance, just had a licence to kill I guess. :whistle:

[Bonez]

Yop Security? That must be special. As in 'special needs'.

I didn't have a security clearance, just had a licence to kill I guess. :whistle:You couldn't kill a floor mop Pumpkin. Just like Biden could'nt organise a press conference with msm.

Oh and your ignore function is broken AGAIN!!:brick:

[FJRider]

... Oh and your ignore function is broken AGAIN!!:brick:

No need for the ignore function ... most of your posts go straight to PD anyway ... :killingme

[FJRider]

I had a Yop Secret security cleanance{not the highest} and work in Air Staff at Wallington for three and a half years.

I thought you worked at that bomb dump up on the Kaipara harbour. 0r was it that "Fully staffed" one at Hobsonville .. ?? :confused:

You obviously never spent much time in Wellington ... well not long enough (three years .. ??) to learn to spell it correctly ... :shifty:



Spellcheck.




Just saying ...

[Bonez]

I thought you worked at that bomb dump up on the Kaipara harbour. 0r was it that "Fully staffed" one at Hobsonville .. ?? :confused:

You obviously never spent much time in Wellington ... well not long enough (three years .. ??) to learn to spell it correctly ... :shifty:



Spellcheck.




Just saying ...
Precious I've had many postings in my 23years in the RNZAF as no doubt you as a chauffeur in the Army have.

Has your military pension kicked in yet? Mine has.

Just saying....

[Bonez]

No need for the ignore function ... most of your posts go straight to PD anyway ... :killingmeNo they don't Precious. You KB Knitting Circle Ladys are getting up there.

And going to the naughty room for abusing their member.

Just saying...

[scumdog]

That stupid bitch shouldn't even be using the word transparency given her track record of being a lying fucking whore

Crikey W. - don't hold back eh!:msn-wink:

[F5 Dave]

Not everyone agrees. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_(TV_network)

Hahaha. What a fucking prize fool he is.


Next he'll be reading pamphlets dropped from the sky and basing his opinion from them.

[Bonez]

Hahaha. What a fucking prize fool he is.


Next he'll be reading pamphlets dropped from the sky and basing his opinion from them.
George was just trolling deary. You KB Knitting Circles Ladys are not very bright at all at all. :laugh:

[Laava]

Yop Security? That must be special. As in 'special needs'.

I didn't have a security clearance, just had a licence to kill I guess. :whistle:
Hahaha! The clown show continues! Off his meds again and posting feverishly with no real coherence!
The old scrote is pretty entertaining in a way!

[Bonez]

Hahaha! The clown show continues! Off his meds again and posting feverishly with no real coherence!
The old scrote is pretty entertaining in a way!So your ignore function is broken as welll luv. You KB Knitting Circle Ladys are a riot.:woohoo:

Patting each others back is sooo cute.

Just saying...

[Laava]

Sorry you'll have to speak up old man, I can't hear you. I said I cant hear you! Oh That's right, you're on ignore, I can't see you either. No doubt you'll be calling me pet names again the way you old queens like to do.

[Bonez]

Sorry you'll have to speak up old man, I can't hear you. I said I cant hear you! Oh That's right, you're on ignore, I can't see you either. No doubt you'll be calling me pet names again the way you old queens like to do.
Good becaujse all KB members benifit from that luv.:niceone:

Your post count has dropped significantly you see.:lol:

Just saying..

[Laava]

Nope didn't catch that either! Speak up grandad! Thought you would be too busy oiling up your leather nappies to be ball bagging on here anyway...

[Bonez]

Nope didn't catch that either! Speak up grandad! Thought you would be too busy oiling up your leather nappies to be ball bagging on here anyway...
Luv you'd better get yourself up to scratch. I didn't say anything at all. I did post using a thing called a keyboard though.

You KB Knitting Circle Ladys are curtainly comedic at the very least.:rolleyes:

[Viking01]

I'm currently reading "We Are Bellingcat" (recommended) and as a consequence would be very selective when quoting RT. It is a Russian Govt operation and is often used to spread propaganda. Following the downing of the Malaysian airliner over Ukraine, RT was a major source of misinformation. The aim being to "flood the zone with shit" to quote Steve Bannon.

Afterthought: For anyone unfamiliar with who Bellingcat is, they do open source investigations. Mostly volunteers, they are usually way ahead of the professionals such as MI6 and the CIA etc.
https://www.bellingcat.com

Morning,
Was busy with guests all day yesterday (wife's birthday), so I'm a little behind in reading some of the posts on KB.

RT
Ah, so you don't debate / dispute the contents of the RT articles themselves, but you do want to give me a heads-up that "RT is a Russian website dedicated to propaganda". OK. Noted.

Think that you will safely find similar articles produced by a number of western online newspapers on the same subjects around the same time (RT just one of many to do so). I just choose the RT articles to bait the Russophobes. :msn-wink:

If we were a little more even-handed, we could also mention some of the other candidates in the daily online propaganda stakes as well (e.g. the US - Washington Post and WSJ ; the UK - BBC and the Guardian; Germany - Deutsche Welle ; France - France 24; China - China Global Times; Middle East - Al Jazeera, just to name a few).

Bellingcat
I didn't realise that you were into fiction. Look, if you want to find more fiction to read (and better quality), can I suggest a quick trip to the local library? Probably a better selection available as well.

Think that anyone operating under the umbrella of the Atlantic Council, and being funded through the Council and the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) NGO has clearly nailed their colours (political bias) to the mast for all to see.

https://www.rt.com/uk/504694-bellingcat-foreign-office-higgins/

Think your comment "usually way ahead of the professionals such as MI6 and the CIA" could have been better worded "usually front for the professionals such as MI6 and the CIA".

As for recommending Bellingcat and his publication: No, I'm sorry, I don't share your interest or belief in Bellingcat. Especially in relation to Syria. Perhaps it comes from his perceived "running interference" for the White Helmets (and, of course, their mutual Emmy nominations for acting).:msn-wink:

[pritch]

Bellingcat
I didn't realise that you were into fiction. Look, if you want to find more fiction to read (and better quality), can I suggest a quick trip to the local library? Probably a better selection available as well.

Think that anyone operating under the umbrella of the Atlantic Council, and being funded through the Council and the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) NGO has clearly nailed their colours (political bias) to the mast for all to see.

https://www.rt.com/uk/504694-bellingcat-foreign-office-higgins/

Think your comment "usually way ahead of the professionals such as MI6 and the CIA" could have been better worded "usually front for the professionals such as MI6 and the CIA".

As for recommending Bellingcat and his publication: No, I'm sorry, I don't share your interest or belief in Bellingcat. Especially in relation to Syria. Perhaps it comes from his perceived "running interference" for the White Helmets (and, of course, their mutual Emmy nominations for acting).:msn-wink:


Obviously we see it differently. It was Bellingcat identified who shot down MH17. It was Bellingcat identified the Russian agents who poisoned the Skripals at Salisbury, it was Bellingcat identified the Cameroon soldiers who executed women and children.

The Dutch Police, with Australian and British Police in attendance, spent eight hours interviewing Eliot Higgins as a "witness" to the MH17 events. They then went back to Holland and set up their own "open source investigation" office.

Oh, and there's this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Helmets_(Syrian_civil_war)

It's an interesting story, be a shame if your negaitive view stopped anyone from readiing it.

[Bonez]

Obviously we see it differently. It was Bellingcat identified who shot down MH17. It was Bellingcat identified the Russian agents who poisoned the Skripals at Salisbury, it was Bellingcat identified the Cameroon soldiers who executed women and children.

The Dutch Police, with Australian and British Police in attendance, spent eight hours interviewing Eliot Higgins as a "witness" to the MH17 events. They then went back to Holland and set up their own "open source investigation" office.

Oh, and there's this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Helmets_(Syrian_civil_war)

It's an interesting story, be a shame if your negaitive view stopped anyone from readiing it.Wikipedia isn't a very reputable source of info for things political Pumpkin.

And golly gosh someone has a different point of veiw than yours. AMAZING!!

[Viking01]

Obviously we see it differently. It was Bellingcat identified who shot down MH17. It was Bellingcat identified the Russian agents who poisoned the Skripals at Salisbury, it was Bellingcat identified the Cameroon soldiers who executed women and children.

The Dutch Police, with Australian and British Police in attendance, spent eight hours interviewing Eliot Higgins as a "witness" to the MH17 events. They then went back to Holland and set up their own "open source investigation" office.

Oh, and there's this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Helmets_(Syrian_civil_war)

It's an interesting story, be a shame if your negaitive view stopped anyone from readiing it.

Pritch,
Yes, you are quite correct. We do see it very differently. But I'm OK with that. Each to their own opinions.

The point I would make in reply is that it is an enormous bow to draw to state that:
-Bellingcat definitively established who shot down MH17.
-Bellingcat definitively established that it was "Russian agents" who were responsible for an alleged poisoning of the Skripals.

MH17
In the case of MH17, there has been plenty of articles published as this saga has slowly unfolded. A few examples from the MH17 related links that I have collected and stored since 2014.

1. Missile Used for Shooting Down of MH17
The missile used (identified from debris recovered from the wreckage field) indicated a BUK of make and model that had been delivered to (and was still in use by) Ukrainian forces in 2014:

https://www.globalresearch.ca/russia-reveals-the-mh17-smoking-gun/5654547

That BUK make and model had not been either manufactured by or supplied to Russian forces within the last 3 years prior to MH17 being downed (i.e. all Russian stock was of a newer model, which no longer deployed certain shaped shrapnel fragments seen for MH17).

That a Russian reconstruction of the cockpit of MH17 indicated shrapnel fragments relating to the earlier BUK make and model (in possession by Ukrainians forces alone).

2. Possible Breach of Procedures
That the Malaysian government not only expressed frustration of their exclusion from involvement, but also questioned the integrity of the JIT investigation (as well as identified a number of instances where tampering of artefacts may have occurred):

https://journal-neo.org/2018/09/26/mh17-some-truth-emerging-at-last/
https://southfront.org/documentary-on-mh17-reveals-5-year-long-string-of-lies/
https://anti-empire.com/mh17-evidence-tampering-revealed-by-malaysia-the-dutch-covered-up-forged-telephone-tapes-ukraine-hid-radar-records/

3. Ukrainian SBU Whistle Blower releases a Documentary Contradicting Western Assertions

https://oneworld.press/?module=articles&action=view&id=1241

4. Unsatisfactory Nature of Court Case being Conducted by the Dutch

https://journal-neo.org/2021/02/12/exposing-the-russophobic-jit-farce/

Not to mention other little details such as:

-One of the accused parties (Ukraine) is able to not only avoid direct investigation, but is also able to participate on the jury.
-Definitive radar data supposedly in possession of the US has still to be supplied to and reviewed by the Dutch court.

Lastly, your Bellingcat may well have been interviewed for 8 hours by Western authorities, who then chose to set up their own "open source" office. I just do not think either event had any particular relevance to or bearing on the investigation or the court case.

White Helmets
The Wiki article may well be "interesting", and paint the White Helmets in a positive light. But some investigative journalists on the ground in Syria found a much less positive picture.

https://21stcenturywire.com/2015/10/23/syrias-white-helmets-war-by-way-of-deception-part-1/
https://www.vietatoparlare.it/investigation-white-helmets-committing-acts-of-terror-across-syria/
https://www.rt.com/news/495092-white-helmets-founder-fraud/


So, Yes, I have some scepticism. But if people are interested in investigating further, I doubt my "negative view" (questioning the official narrative) on either topic is going to discourage them. :laugh:

[pritch]

That's a very nicely prepared argument but Bellingcat would disagree. In the case of MH17, they know where the Buk came from, they know the details of the launcher, they tracked it from its unit in Kursk to Ukraine, they have photographs- and they tracked it back to Kursk minus one missile. They know where the missile was launched from. They know the names of the crew.

The Russians spread disinformatin to confuse the situation. Most of what you are quoting seems to be sourced from the Russian disinformation campaign.

The White helmets I haven't read up in detail yet but you are taking as gospel information provided by the Russians, The Supreme Ayotollah, and Assad, against the rest of the world - except for a few journalists. Higgins discusses that, one of the journalists was somewhat of a hero of his. Not so much now perhaps?

Bellingcat named the Russian agents guilty of the Salisbury poisoning. There is no question that a crime was committed as described and that there was collateral damage. An unrelated innocent party died of Novichok poisoning.

My strong impression is that you need to read the Bellingcat book more than I do. Unfortunately I have people queuing to read it when I've finished.

Be well.

[Bonez]

That's a very nicely prepared argument but Bellingcat would disagree. In the case of MH17, they know where the Buk came from, they know the details of the launcher, they tracked it from its unit in Kursk to Ukraine, they have photographs- and they tracked it back to Kursk minus one missile. They know where the missile was launched from. They know the names of the crew.

The Russians spread disinformatin to confuse the situation. Most of what you are quoting seems to be sourced from the Russian disinformation campaign.

The White helmets I haven't read up in detail yet but you are taking as gospel information provided by the Russians, The Supreme Ayotollah, and Assad, against the rest of the world - except for a few journalists. Higgins discusses that, one of the journalists was somewhat of a hero of his. Not so much now perhaps?

Bellingcat named the Russian agents guilty of the Salisbury poisoning. There is no question that a crime was committed as described and that there was collateral damage. An unrelated innocent party died of Novichok poisoning.

My strong impression is that you need to read the Bellincat book more than I do. Unfortunately I have people queuing to read it when I've finished.

Be well.I believe this thread is about Joe {I wiill sign anything} Biden not the Russians Pumpkin.

Just saying.....

[ellipsis]

...funnier and funnier...:woohoo:...:facepalm::yes:..


...next instalments, eagerly awaited...:shutup:

[Viking01]

That's a very nicely prepared argument but Bellingcat would disagree. In the case of MH17, they know where the Buk came from, they know the details of the launcher, they tracked it from its unit in Kursk to Ukraine, they have photographs- and they tracked it back to Kursk minus one missile. They know where the missile was launched from. They know the names of the crew.

The Russians spread disinformatin to confuse the situation. Most of what you are quoting seems to be sourced from the Russian disinformation campaign.

The White helmets I haven't read up in detail yet but you are taking as gospel information provided by the Russians, The Supreme Ayotollah, and Assad, against the rest of the world - except for a few journalists. Higgins discusses that, one of the journalists was somewhat of a hero of his. Not so much now perhaps?

Bellingcat named the Russian agents guilty of the Salisbury poisoning. There is no question that a crime was committed as described and that there was collateral damage. An unrelated innocent party died of Novichok poisoning.

My strong impression is that you need to read the Bellincat book more than I do. Unfortunately I have people queuing to read it when I've finished.

Be well.

Afternoon. Thanks for the reply.

Firstly, yes, I'm quite sure that Bellingcat would disagree, but I'm not unduly worried.

MH17
Thanks for the details on the missile launcher etc. But I'll stick with the Russian version of events at the moment. But if I feel the need to change and upgrade between disinformation campaigns in the future, I'll give Bellingcat a look-up. Promise. ;)

White Helmets
Only mentioned the White Helmets since you had in a previous email. Feel free to cross that one off the list for any future discussion.

Besides, supposedly being a Russian / Ayatollah / al Assad supporter, who am I to argue against the rest of the world? Well, western media, at the very least.

Skripals
Think that we had that KB debate within the last 2 years, where I doubted the story (stories) being told by British authorities at the time. And I haven't seen anything presented in the interim that would make me change my mind.

The only comment I would make is that bearing (i) the Skripals (ii) Salisbury in mind, I would advise Vlad to get a new Novichok supplier. Because the last batches were obviously faulty, and it has caused him a world of political embarrassment ever since.

I mean, if you're going to be portrayed as a maniacal tyrant hell bent on world domination (or was that Xi ?), you want to be able to project an aura of fear and invincibility. And quite frankly, two supposed "attempted poisonings using Novichok" .... it's not doing it for me.

Book Loan
Kind of you to offer, but I have a bookcase of other conspiracy theory material still to read. You can cross my name off your book list. Thanks.

Ride safely.

Cheers,
Viking

[Viking01]

Some fallout from that event:

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2021/03/16/647463/Texas-Griddy-energy-provider-files-for-bankruptcy

[Bonez]

Some fallout from that event:

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2021/03/16/647463/Texas-Griddy-energy-provider-files-for-bankruptcySo it obviously wasn't the Russians.:msn-wink:

[Bonez]

Where's Kweeny (I smoked dope bro) Kamala Harass at?

Haven't heard a peep from him.

[mashman]

What was added. Biden or the Microphone


http://82.221.129.208/bidenisfakehandmicrophone.mp4

[Bonez]

What was added. Biden or the Microphone


http://82.221.129.208/bidenisfakehandmicrophone.mp4They should have stuck a micropone up his arse.:shifty:

[ellipsis]

They should have stuck a micropone up his arse.:shifty:

...it's already obvious that that is where you keep yours...

[Bonez]

...it's already obvious that that is where you keep yours...Oooh funny :laugh:

The irony is great with this one Luke.:violin:

You realy need to go out and sense of humor construction set. They are currently avalable at The Wharehouse with quite a large discount.

[Viking01]

It might have taken nearly 65 days after having been elected, but I see Joe has finally managed to make his first solo press conference. The following story has a link to the conference:

https://southfront.org/cue-cards-and-pampering-joe-bidens-first-solo-press-conference/

I watched only the first 10 minutes, and can't say that I was overawed. Answering the first question on Covid - by making reference to the (intended $3 trillion) spend on infrastructure - will have done little to quell the doubters.

Anyway, it's always good to end with a "good news" story:

https://www.npr.org/2021/03/24/980785810/first-dogs-return-to-white-house-after-major-biden-causes-minor-injury

I can only surmise that Jill and Kamala both got tired of throwing the ball for Joe to chase, so they relented and brought the dogs back from Delaware. Plus they could be useful in helping keep the press crew at a respectable distance in the future.

[pritch]

so they relented and brought the dogs back from Delaware. Plus they could be useful in helping keep the press crew at a respectable distance in the future.

And the Secret Service agents apparently.

[R650R]

https://youtu.be/Qu6PH9E5jiA

[F5 Dave]

Yeah fuk he was a slug. At no other time could he get elected. Shit they even put a Black guy ahead of him.

But in this time the opposition was Soooooo bad and soooooo incompetent that Biden could win.

Just think about it.

[Laava]

Yep, F5 nailed it. Kamala for the win. Prob not in Georgia 2024 tho....

[sugilite]

Id have to say based on what I'm seeing in the press on both sides of the political divide that Biden and his team are mishandling the immigrant situation spectacularly badly.
Though I still think the wall is a shit idea, it looks like the Trump administration did a lot better job at keeping the tidal wave of migrants at bay.

[TheDemonLord]

Id have to say based on what I'm seeing in the press on both sides of the political divide that Biden and his team are mishandling the immigrant situation spectacularly badly.
Though I still think the wall is a shit idea, it looks like the Trump administration did a lot better job at keeping the tidal wave of migrants at bay.

Be still my Beating Heart!

[R650R]

it looks like the Trump administration did a lot better job at keeping the tidal wave of migrants at bay.

Shouldn’t we be calling them third world super spreaders???? Is there hand sanitiser at the border? Did they scan the QR codes??

[F5 Dave]

They are probably more at risk going into the United States.

[pritch]

Id have to say based on what I'm seeing in the press on both sides of the political divide that Biden and his team are mishandling the immigrant situation spectacularly badly.
Though I still think the wall is a shit idea, it looks like the Trump administration did a lot better job at keeping the tidal wave of migrants at bay.

Both sides?. I've been seeing reports that the current figures are a carryover from the late stages of the former guy's presidency.

[pritch]

Shouldn’t we be calling them third world super spreaders???? Is there hand sanitiser at the border? Did they scan the QR codes??

All of those immigrants come from countries that handled Covid better than did the US. They have to, every other country in the world handled Covid better than the US.

[R650R]

It seems the glaring indifference between real viewcounts and dislikes is exposing the sham support of the green screen President.

https://www.techcrunch.com/2021/03/30/youtube-tests-hiding-dislike-counts-on-videos/amp/

Kinda like how stuff news stopped voting on comments when people were exposing climate change scam before stopping comments altogether

[sugilite]

Both sides?. I've been seeing reports that the current figures are a carryover from the late stages of the former guy's presidency.
Don't get me wrong, I strongly feel that Trump should swing for seriously down playing the pandemic, politicizing the wearing of masks and countless rallies during a virus surge. His actions and lack thereof killed thousands just to appease his vanity, ego, self interest and insecurities.
But on the question of immigration and border security - Biden and the dems are doing a really, really shit job.
I think some of it was Trumps unpredictability and hard line at the borders. Made the traffickers and stand alone bolters think twice. Now they view it as a free for all season with softy Biden and the dems.

[nerrrd]

It seems the glaring indifference between real viewcounts and dislikes is exposing the sham support of the green screen President.

https://www.techcrunch.com/2021/03/30/youtube-tests-hiding-dislike-counts-on-videos/amp/

Kinda like how stuff news stopped voting on comments when people were exposing climate change scam before stopping comments altogether

Got to look out for those 'glaring indifferences'. Especially in an article about disliking things.

[TheDemonLord]

But on the question of immigration and border security - Biden and the dems are doing a really, really shit job.
I think some of it was Trumps unpredictability and hard line at the borders. Made the traffickers and stand alone bolters think twice. Now they view it as a free for all season with softy Biden and the dems.

The most damning indictment - is when you hear from the Illegal Immigrants themselves - they straight up say they didn't come under Trump because they knew they wouldn't be let in and would be sent back, but now that Biden is in charge they can get through easily.

[pritch]

But on the question of immigration and border security - Biden and the dems are doing a really, really shit job.


According to my reading the current surge at the border started in April last year. Biden was not president then, Trump was. Or was supposed to be.

Any major fuckups from January 20th are Biden's but anything prior to that is on Trump.

[Bonez]

Be still my Beating Heart!

Has numbnuts apologized for threatening to have a truck dump poo poos on your front lawn yet TDL?

[sugilite]

According to my reading the current surge at the border started in April last year. Biden was not president then, Trump was. Or was supposed to be.

Any major fuckups from January 20th are Biden's but anything prior to that is on Trump.

Yeah nah, under biden, the floodgates have opened.

This from the new York Times today..... Behind a pay wall so will post headline snippet.


Arrivals at the southern border surpassed a 15-year high in March, and included many unaccompanied minors.
Border officials encountered more than 170,000 migrants in March, a nearly 70 percent increase from February and the highest monthly since 2006, according to preliminary data.

[pritch]

Y]
This from the new York Times today..... Behind a pay wall so will post headline snippet.


Thanks, I will be quided by that meantime. I pay the Washington Post but not the NY Times. One US subscription is enough.

[TheDemonLord]

Has numbnuts apologized for threatening to have a truck dump poo poos on your front lawn yet TDL?

That was Banter and was treated as such. I've met Sugi and despite our differing opinions - he's an absolute stand-up bloke.

[TheDemonLord]

and included many unaccompanied minors.

Just something I'd like to focus in on - Of the 'Many Unaccompanied Minors' - There's a fair amount of ancillary evidence that an uncomfortable percentage of those are being sex-trafficed.

I'm curious to see what, if any, the media outrage will be on this.

[R650R]

Just something I'd like to focus in on - Of the 'Many Unaccompanied Minors' - There's a fair amount of ancillary evidence that an uncomfortable percentage of those are being sex-trafficed.

I'm curious to see what, if any, the media outrage will be on this.

Remember when that was a thing in news awhile ago, basically all men where evil, all prostitutes were human trafficking victims, the me too movement, “our girls” saga in Africa now you don’t hear anything now the media and the Elite are moving their pieces in a new move on the chessboard.

I guess the story didn’t go well with the whole migrant caravan thing whooops....

You won’t hear nothing on that angle, the media knows who owns them....

[sugilite]

So Biden is looking at some gun control measures.
Lets roll out the ole "Good Guy With a Gun" will save the day bullshit (a whole 3% of active shooter events stopped)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDkEFX52r9M

[R650R]

So Biden is looking at some gun control measures.
Lets roll out the ole "Good Guy With a Gun" will save the day bullshit (a whole 3% of active shooter events stopped)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDkEFX52r9M

You’ll notice most staged false flags sorry mass shooter events happen in Democrat controlled areas where concealed carry or other measures limit public firearm possession.
You won’t read it in left controlled media but in USA 18,000 people a year defend them selves successfully with firearms in violent crimes

[F5 Dave]

Yeah the FBI statistics gathered are fake news. It's really the fluoride in the water that causes it. That's why I only drink out of puddles.

[pritch]

You’ll notice most staged false flags sorry mass shooter events happen in Democrat controlled areas

Alex Jones' "false flags and crisis actors" are going to bankrupt him even if he stays out of prison. Fucking good job.

Such idiocy ranks up there with the claims that Antifa and BLM were responsible for the coup attempt of Jan 6th.