Fines on an unregistered bike.

[TheWolfOfCanaryWharf]

Howdy all,

I was being a prat and went out briefly to road-test some recent work done myself on a 400cc (LAMS), parked up for a bit and of course Auckland Transport pinged it for being unregistered ($200) because I'm not quite ready to get everything legal in one sitting.

Now, the bike isn't registered to me (although I legally own it, transfer/sale doc signed by local police a while ago). They didn't have it towed or anything.

Are they going to flag this in some way? The plate on it has long since expired (early 2000s) and there was nothing on the bike to ID me.

Obviously, I when I re-reg it wont be the same plate issued.

Cheers,

[pritch]

Bit of an ooops parking an illegal bike somewhere it can be seen by parking wardens. Throw the ticket away and see what happens. If a reminder comes in the mail pay it. If there's no reminder, there's no problem.

Make the bike legal before you attract any more $200 fines, the current arrangement seems like false economy.

[TheWolfOfCanaryWharf]

If there's no reminder, there's no problem.

Make the bike legal before you attract any more $200 fines, the current arrangement seems like false economy.

Yeah mate noted, and this is what I'll do. I'm a touch concerned it might come up when I truck it over to VTNZ but I suppose as far as they're concerned the bike has no plates (just a VIN) and anyway, I'm doubtful VTNZ will be looking at AT fine notices.

I didn't bother trying to approach the warden regardless, the man was doing his job and fairly wouldn't have cared that I genuinely was indeed taking it to a very brief "what else is left thats causing issues" test ride. Although I am aware a lot of guys out there ride without any rego/wof just to make some sort of statement.

[rastuscat]

Yeah mate noted, and this is what I'll do. I'm a touch concerned it might come up when I truck it over to VTNZ but I suppose as far as they're concerned the bike has no plates (just a VIN) and anyway, I'm doubtful VTNZ will be looking at AT fine notices.

I didn't bother trying to approach the warden regardless, the man was doing his job and fairly wouldn't have cared that I genuinely was indeed taking it to a very brief "what else is left thats causing issues" test ride. Although I am aware a lot of guys out there ride without any rego/wof just to make some sort of statement.

The offence is committed at the time the vehicle is observed. Subsequently being identified as the owner doesn't mean you owned it at the time of the offence.

Good on you for putting on your big boys pants and just sucking it up. Not a single mention of revenue collecting.

You and my new hero.

[TheWolfOfCanaryWharf]

Good on you for putting on your big boys pants and just sucking it up. Not a single mention of revenue collecting.



Thanks for the response here. Makes perfect sense in hindsight.

Eh, I'm sure you feel the same but I'm fairly unimpressed by the attitude some riders have, they give the rest of us a bad name (fully acknowledging the irony of the statement given the subject of this post).

As a young rider in my early 20's, I'm not loving how we tend to be seen by some public services (police etc.), media and the public itself. I get it, my demographic isn't known for their frontal lobe development - but I'd rather no contribute to that view. If i get a notice, I'll be paying it. But if I don't, well, that's just means I can get the bike legal a bit sooner.

Thanks again.

[Bonez]

Thanks for the response here. Makes perfect sense in hindsight.

Eh, I'm sure you feel the same but I'm fairly unimpressed by the attitude some riders have, they give the rest of us a bad name (fully acknowledging the irony of the statement given the subject of this post).

As a young rider in my early 20's, I'm not loving how we tend to be seen by some public services (police etc.), media and the public itself. I get it, my demographic isn't known for their frontal lobe development - but I'd rather no contribute to that view. If i get a notice, I'll be paying it. But if I don't, well, that's just means I can get the bike legal a bit sooner.

Thanks again.The purceivd "Bad Big Boy" view some bikers have is just stipid. It's not the 1960s any more.I've found most motorist I've come across in the last 12 months have been generally very good. Ok you have the odd jerk/jerless. I'm finding finding young females are worse tham blokes :rolleyes: after having had to deal with the drug dealing, car theiving jerks that use to live across the roa for the past three years. Sorry if I hurt some KB members sensibilities with that statement. Just joiking, I'm not.:bleh:

[TheWolfOfCanaryWharf]

The purceivd "Bad Big Boy" view some bikers have is just stipid. It's not the 1960s any more.I've found most motorist I've come across in the last 12 months have been generally very good. Ok you have the odd jerk/jerless. I'm finding finding young females are worse tham blokes :rolleyes: after having had to deal with the drug dealing, car theiving jerks that use to live across the roa for the past three years. Sorry if I hurt some KB members sensibilities with that statement. Just joiking, I'm not.:bleh:

Yeah I mean, at least just from what I've been noticing, the "wrong sort" riders are now mostly just young lads around my age who don't have the proper gear, road skills, sense or bike (sorry Kawa ninja owners, most of ya'll scare me) and convert themselves or others into strawberry jam, leaving society to wonder why the hell motorcycles are legal.

Compared to the leather-vest-wearing, bank-dine-and-dashing, hog-riding, beard-billowing-in-the-breeze unit with forearms like pigs in plastic bags: the new sort of "bad sort" is so much worse than these gents. No style at all in a Brad or a Jarrod blatting down a highstreet wearing sandals and board shorts on a 1.1L ninja, only to detonate a pensioner.

[Bonez]

Yeah I mean, at least just from what I've been noticing, the "wrong sort" riders are now mostly just young lads around my age who don't have the proper gear, road skills, sense or bike (sorry Kawa ninja owners, most of ya'll scare me) and convert themselves or others into strawberry jam, leaving society to wonder why the hell motorcycles are legal.

Compared to the leather-vest-wearing, bank-dine-and-dashing, hog-riding, beard-billowing-in-the-breeze unit with forearms like pigs in plastic bags: the new sort of "bad sort" is so much worse than these gents. No style at all in a Brad or a Jarrod blatting down a highstreet wearing sandals and board shorts on a 1.1L ninja, only to detonate a pensioner.
It's not a high percentage of young'ns. They have a better selection of training courses now days. There were none when I started riding and a lot less road users of course. It's more the second childhood types as well as riders who are ancient and riding bikes with more power/speed then the fastest/more powerfull bikes they were riding 30/40 years ago having "issues". Stats are out there to verify that.

It's good to see younger folk interested in motorcycle nd motorcycle related things. After all you'll are the future. Us oldies woud have turn up our toes in the next few decades ;).

[jellywrestler]

Obviously, I when I re-reg it wont be the same plate issued.

Cheers,

that's not obvious, it's easily able to be done

[jellywrestler]

You and my new hero. you need to get out more

[Bonez]

you need to get out moreWouldn't expect anything else after spending so much time riding a BeeEmWoobleYu.:innocent:

Could rastuscat be pritchs secretive BMW contact?

[TheWolfOfCanaryWharf]

It's good to see younger folk interested in motorcycle nd motorcycle related things. After all you'll are the future. Us oldies woud have turn up our toes in the next few decades ;).

We've gotta have some role models. I got into riding a couple of years ago because, as a student, I would witness 50-something+'s gliding around the hills of North Dunedin and thought - damn, he's got the biggest smile on his face I've ever seen. I need to get behind that.

[Bonez]

We've gotta have some role models. I got into riding a couple of years ago because, as a student, I would witness 50-something+'s gliding around the hills of North Dunedin and thought - damn, he's got the biggest smile on his face I've ever seen. I need to get behind that.I know how he felt. Riding is my "Happy place".Always feel better after a 100km plus ride.

[rastuscat]

Wouldn't expect anything else after spending so much time riding a BeeEmWoobleYu.:innocent:

Could rastuscat be pritchs secretive BMW contact?

Egg. 10 char.

[fridayflash]

The new type of 'baddie bikie' around my region is the MMM types... boosting around town on V-rods with 500 section rear tyres and red nike's


Nike Bikies....

[ellipsis]

...hmmmmm...

[TheWolfOfCanaryWharf]

The new type of 'baddie bikie' around my region is the MMM types... boosting around town on V-rods with 500 section rear tyres and red nike's


Nike Bikies....

Wear boots y'all. I've been on the internet, I've seen what strawberry jam on the pavement looks like.

[Bonez]

Egg. 10 char.Thank you for quoting me. Now Mr 170kph and the other ladies will see it:Punk:

[pritch]

Egg.

That reminds me of a story I came across in a book written by a former Police Inspector, the one who used to front that Auckland crime show, Police 10/7 (?).

He recounted a court room incident involving a Black Power member. The prosecuting lawyer had managed to piss off the BP member who proceeded to nut off at him. The Judge interceded and told the BP member that he couldn't speak to the lawyer like that.
"Sorry sir, but the cunt's an egg".

It's mildly amusing to note that the most insulting part of that is the word 'egg'.

The lawyer mentioned is now a judge, and there were occasions when in court as part of my job, he was presiding. Recalling this little tale provoked an inward smile.

[Bonez]

That reminds me of a story I came across in a book written by a former Police Inspector, the one who used to front that Auckland crime show, Police 10/7 (?).

He recounted a court room incident involving a Black Power member. The prosecuting lawyer had managed to piss off the BP member who proceeded to nut off at him. The Judge interceded and told the BP member that he couldn't speak to the lawyer like that.
"Sorry sir, but the cunt's an egg".

It's mildly amusing to note that the most insulting part of that is the word 'egg'.

The lawyer mentioned is now a judge, and there were occasions when in court as part of my job, he was presiding. Recalling this little tale provoked an inward smile.I remenber a saying from a famous kiwi actor in a movie " Cook me some eggs bitch!"

[rastuscat]

I remenber a saying from a famous kiwi actor in a movie " Cook me some eggs bitch!"

I was more quoting "Boy", as in "You're an egg"

[roogazza]

That reminds me of a story I came across in a book written by a former Police Inspector, the one who used to front that Auckland crime show, Police 10/7 (?).


Graham Bell, great old style cop ! Funny as a fit, talked about Scumbags, Shitkickers, Mongrels etc etc.
There's a recording somewhere with all his little comments. <_< :shifty::clap:

[onearmedbandit]

There's a recording somewhere with all his little comments. <_< :shifty::clap:

He's great!


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[Bonez]

I was more quoting "Boy", as in "You're an egg"Which is an oppropriate responce at someone poking a bit of fun at that persons make of motorcycle.

Of course that response gets over dramatised by an old coot on KB.:eek:

[sugilite]

Wow, that Police Ten 7 host sure had it in for boner :laugh:

[scumdog]

The new type of 'baddie bikie' around my region is the MMM types... boosting around town on V-rods with 500 section rear tyres and red nike's


Nike Bikies....


You forgot to mention the ape-hangers on the V-rod...:shifty:

[FJRider]

You forgot to mention the ape-hangers on the V-rod...:shifty:

I've seen a patched member with Ape Hangers on a Ducati once.

They're out there ...

[roogazza]

348473

NZ Superbike??? :nya::wacko:

[Bonez]

348473

NZ Superbike??? :nya::wacko:Sheit I just almost choked on my morning capochino.:shit:

Probably an airforce lad taking the piss out of customs. Or a plumber.

[Hoonicorn]

I'm assuming that parking tickets are not that same as police tickets, so they go to the council? The parking wardens are hired by the councils to manage parking, so wardens don't have to look for bikes to ticket for old or missing reg/wof. The wardens I've seen chalk car tires and stuff but never look at the car's reg/wof.

Soooooo...

bikes in most of the world get to park for free without a time restriction like P60 or whatever. For councils to get money from motorcyclists, they go for the reg/wof and whatever they can - low tire tread, missing mirrors? I'll wager that if you're on a bike with an old or missing reg/wof and you park in town during the day, you're odds of getting ticketed are higher than if your car was missing those things.

[ellipsis]

I just almost choked on my morning capochino.

...such a pity it didn't come to fruition...

[Bonez]

...such a pity it didn't come to fruition...Must share the love. Sorry goldilocks you don`t get a nice red rose today.:nono:


And you need to do something with that anger issue you have. It'ts been reported Dr Phil have a few spare session available this week.

Just saying....

[Bonez]

I'm assuming that parking tickets are not that same as police tickets, so they go to the council? The parking wardens are hired by the councils to manage parking, so wardens don't have to look for bikes to ticket for old or missing reg/wof. The wardens I've seen chalk car tires and stuff but never look at the car's reg/wof.

Soooooo...

bikes in most of the world get to park for free without a time restriction like P60 or whatever. For councils to get money from motorcyclists, they go for the reg/wof and whatever they can - low tire tread, missing mirrors? I'll wager that if you're on a bike with an old or missing reg/wof and you park in town during the day, you're odds of getting ticketed are higher than if your car was missing those things.Bullshit. And if you get caught with no reg/wof tough shit and cough up.

Just saying....

[pritch]

I'll wager that if you're on a bike with an old or missing reg/wof and you park in town during the day, you're odds of getting ticketed are higher than if your car was missing those things.

Not where I live. The Council always wants more money, so they check all vehicles on council parking spaces for warrant and rego issuing a ticket if they find anything expired. The constabulary may consider compliance, the council don't.

One little ray of sunshine, two people I worked with who received tickets for expired warrants, wrote to the council pointing out that the vehicle was legally parked and as such the council had no right to check further and in doing so the council staff had breached the Privacy Act. It worked both times.

[onearmedbandit]

The wardens I've seen chalk car tires and stuff but never look at the car's reg/wof.



Here in Christchurch they do. They even send them out to the suburbs checking all vehicles parked on streets.

[Bonez]

Mainly just around the city district here at the moment.

[FJRider]

Howdy all,

I was being a prat and went out briefly to road-test some recent work done myself on a 400cc (LAMS), parked up for a bit and of course Auckland Transport pinged it for being unregistered ($200) because I'm not quite ready to get everything legal in one sitting.

Now, the bike isn't registered to me (although I legally own it, transfer/sale doc signed by local police a while ago). They didn't have it towed or anything.

Are they going to flag this in some way? The plate on it has long since expired (early 2000s) and there was nothing on the bike to ID me.

Obviously, I when I re-reg it wont be the same plate issued.

Cheers,

Another ... I got a ticket ... how do I get off it Thread.

(1) If you parked in a free parking area ... odds are ... Auckland parking probably wouldn't look at it. Did you overstay the time limit .. ??

(2) You say it "Got Pinged" for $200. Did you get the ticket .. left on the seat ?? A witness or security camera footage of you receiving the "Ticket" might not be in your favour.

(3) Vehicle records go back further than the "early 2000's" (and will be in the system). If you intend to register it in the future ... Vin/chassis/engine/rego number (proof it Was previously registered in NZ) will be required to re-register it. Start cooking up a good story about when (and how) it came into your possession.


And I am surprised it didn't get "Towed" ... and/or impounded. A newbie traffic parking ticket writer probably.



A "Real man" would suck it up and pay the fine. YOU own it ... you parked it up ... your problem.

[FJRider]

Here in Christchurch they do. They even send them out to the suburbs checking all vehicles parked on streets.

The little Hitlers are Nationwide. No Council areas (with parking wardens) are immune.

[rastuscat]

The little Hitlers are Nationwide. No Council areas (with parking wardens) are immune.

The revenue split is what makes it attractive for councils to run parking departments. If the council made no money from parking they couldn't afford a parking department.

As much as we all bag them, its necessary, as people can behave however they want if not held to account.

[FJRider]

The revenue split is what makes it attractive for councils to run parking departments. If the council made no money from parking they couldn't afford a parking department.

As much as we all bag them, its necessary, as people can behave however they want if not held to account.

And it's an area of "Law Enforcement" that has caught a few (in these forums) out ... judging by the number of threads on the topic.

Folks can't say they weren't warned.

[scumdog]

The little Hitlers are Nationwide. No Council areas (with parking wardens) are immune.

Well we could do with some here as there seems to be no rules when it comes to parking - utes parked overnight on wrong side of road near intersection, cars parked across the driveway entrance and blocking the footpath, cars on the footpath parallel to the street and completely blocking the footpath etc etc.

And yet we find people complaining about mobility scooters driving out onto the road to get around a vehicle parked across the footpath...:scratch:

[FJRider]

Well we could do with some here as there seems to be no rules when it comes to parking ...

Well ... funny you should say that. Most people that park in 10 minute parking areas and similar ... like knowing there isn't a council parking warden on the prowl and simply ignore any time limits. (Alexandra doesn't have one either) All well and good ... until it's THEM that needs a park. A different story then ... :shifty:

Go figure ..

[rastuscat]

It all goes back a few years.

In the early 1900s councils had their own traffic departments, as the government had a police force, but no national traffic department. As cars became more numerous, the demand for regulation of traffic grew. Eventually, the government set up a traffic department, we knew it as the Ministry of Transport.

Fines were how the various councils funded their traffic departments. For example, for stationary offences the revenue went 90% to council, 10% to central government. For mobile offences e,g, seatbelts, the split was 60% to council, 40% to central government. In this way councils funded their own departments.

Many towns kept their own traffic departments, and anywhere there wasn't one, the MoT had responsibility for traffic matters. When an MoT officer wrote a ticket, the fine went 100% to central government. Over time, cities gave control over to the MoT, as the cost of running their own departments grew beyond the income generated.

When I joined Auckland City Traffic in 1988 as a traffic cop, there were 5 cities left with their own traffic departments. Auckland, Tamaki, Mt Albert,. Napier and Invercargill.

Prebble had a plan to merge the Police with a traffic department, and it was always going to be easier to merge one department with Police. So they adjusted the revenue split, and the last 5 councils merged with the MoT in October 1990. Months later, the Police took over the MoT.

Many cities retained their parking function, due to the higher revenue split making it affordable to do so.

Before the Police integration 1 July 1992, the councils could tell their traffic departments what to do, and it was done. Now, councils have very liuttle influence over what Police do. So if a resident has a parking issue with, say, someone parking in a bad place outside a school, yellow lines etc, and there is no local parking department, the Police get called, and are usually too busy or too disinterested to do anything. Cops don't want to write parking tickets, it's beneath them.

It's how we got to where we we are. Eventually there'll be a move to go back to cities having their own departments, over and above parking. But nobody wants to admit it. I gather that Auckland Transport has some enforcement powers like we used to have as traffic cops. Some cities have cameras for bus lane offences. Speed cameras are reverting to NZTA, since Police have shown that they would prefer to be popular than effective.

Back to the future.