The Valentine's Day cluster [Archive]

R650R

4th March 2021, 14:43

The Covid tracer app stops the spread of the virus just as effectively as mandatory carrying of drivers licence stops unlicensed drivers from driving cars.

It’s kinda pointless though really, Jacinda has just demonstrated how willing the govt is to plunge the country into draconian lockdowns again for a few cases...
Now if EVERYONE in the current outbreak had scanned the SAME amount of people would be infected, the virus doesn’t care if your Bluetooth is on or not.
The resulting lockdown would prob be worse as with two deg of separation in modern society it would prob show even more people at risk of infection spreading...

But I guess we’ll all find that out soon enough when they decree it mandatory to scan everywhere

Calix Lee

4th March 2021, 15:36

That is so weird, the pandemic is not yet over and some people think that they are smart enough to turn off the tracer app.

george formby

4th March 2021, 15:44

That is so weird, the pandemic is not yet over and some people think that they are smart enough to turn off the tracer app.

Definitely an issue with the thinking part.

Kickaha

4th March 2021, 16:21

Jacinda has just demonstrated how willing the govt is to plunge the country into draconian lockdowns again for a few cases...

Yeah, I wonder why we only have a few cases ? any ideas anyone ?

F5 Dave

4th March 2021, 20:06

Ooh! I know Miss. Choose me choose me.

Is it 5G?:scratch:

caseye

4th March 2021, 20:55

And tonight it is reported that the original covid family had /have a Boarder, who guess what? has not been tested and or hasn't come forward yet, our luck can't keep us from getting zapped country wide for much longer.:facepalm::drinkup:

pritch

4th March 2021, 20:55

For the benefit of the hard of thinking, and we do have some.

Jesus will not protect you from Covid 19. I saw video clips of that happening in the States, "I can't catch the virus, I've been washed in Jesus' blood".
I thought we were better than that, but apparently not. There will be lots of time to attend church after this is all over. Unless you keep going to clandestine church services during lockdown...

You can't wait until you feel sick to get vaccinated, it doesn't work like that.

Isolation means you stay at home. Strangely enough this means you don't go out with your mates, even for a game of cricket at the local park, or for a walk with a friend. Especially a friend who has just recently tested positive.

After you've been tested you isolate. At home, not at the fucking gym.

None of this is complicated. Although apparently it's too difficult for Aucklanders.

/RANT

SaferRides

4th March 2021, 21:27

Yeah, I wonder why we only have a few cases ? any ideas anyone ?The first symptoms of the UK variant seem to be muscle aches and pains. So if people isolate at that stage, then they won't spread the virus once the respiratory symptoms start?

That's a wild guess, I really have no idea.

Berries

4th March 2021, 22:56

Look, I don't want to appear draconian, but after 30 years in public health specialising in pandemic management with a focus on sub Saharan Africa and the transmission of Ebola through nasal cavity mucal expression I think I have enough knowledge on the matter to proffer my interim solution.

Anyone from Auckland who shops at K-Mart and eats at KFC more than once a week should be shot. Close contacts such as family should also be shot. Close casual contacts should be marked as such on the forehead. Including that Tamaki fella currently super spreading around the lower south island in the name of lining his pocket further. Oh yes, and God.

Scuttle the Cook Straight ferries in Wellington harbour and quarantine the north island.

Job done.

TheDemonLord

5th March 2021, 09:17

Yeah, I wonder why we only have a few cases ? any ideas anyone ?

Almost entirely due to our geographic location, our population density and the relative health of our population.

pritch

5th March 2021, 09:37

SaferRides

5th March 2021, 10:00

And today we learn that the boarder is a door to door salesman. It just gets better and better.It's not as bad it looks, read the story on Stuff.

FJRider

5th March 2021, 16:19

The Covid tracer app stops the spread of the virus just as effectively as mandatory carrying of drivers licence stops unlicensed drivers from driving cars.

A drivers license was never intended to stop people driving. It proves you took a (driving) test and passed. The main use and purpose of a drivers license is for effective identification.

The Covvid tracer app is for the effective identification of people in places where a Covid infected person was known to visit

mashman

5th March 2021, 20:10

Yeah, I wonder why we only have a few cases ? any ideas anyone ?

NZ has already achieved herd immunity? According to the governments and their tellybox comms, infected people have been oot and aboot without there being any new cases. Makes perfect sense :bleh:

SaferRides

5th March 2021, 21:17

Not sure if this link will work.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/matthew-hooton-lockdown-4-sparks-jacinda-arderns-wrath/ZCJEH3JK67537QGZO4IB7GFWZU/

HenryDorsetCase

5th March 2021, 21:55

Not sure if this link will work.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/matthew-hooton-lockdown-4-sparks-jacinda-arderns-wrath/ZCJEH3JK67537QGZO4IB7GFWZU/

Matthew Hooter is, in my view, a fascist cunt that will be second against the wall when I rule you all. And I will.

I actually read that spiel and my view is that he is a fascist cunt, and he should go fuck himself. I trust this assists. Also its behind the harold paywall and they can go fuck themselves too.

fucking neshnul shill FFFFFFFUUUUUU

pritch

6th March 2021, 08:50

NZ has already achieved herd immunity? According to the governments and their tellybox comms, infected people have been oot and aboot without there being any new cases. Makes perfect sense :bleh:

I have not heard any sane person claim herd immunity. Where do you imagine you heard that? Herd immunity requires about 80% of the population to be vaccinated. That's a long way off.

F5 Dave

6th March 2021, 10:47

And that why he too is on ignore. Not sane.

pritch

6th March 2021, 10:58

And that why he too is on ignore. Not sane.

Yeah, I have him on ignore but I sneaked a peek. A mistake. It could still be a good day however.

mashman

6th March 2021, 16:40

onearmedbandit

6th March 2021, 17:01

Herd immunity requires about 80% of the population to be vaccinated. That's a long way off.

From the WHO website...

'Herd immunity', also known as 'population immunity', is the indirect protection from an infectious disease that happens when a population is immune either through vaccination or immunity developed through previous infection

FJRider

6th March 2021, 17:42

I have not heard any sane person claim herd immunity. Where do you imagine you heard that? Herd immunity requires about 80% of the population to be vaccinated. That's a long way off.

The time it takes the community to reach herd immunity status depends on the reproduction number of the virus ... The reproduction number is the average number of people that a single person with the virus can infect if those people aren’t (already) immune. Researchers think that the reproduction number for COVID-19 is between 2 and 3. This means that one person can infect two to three other people. It also means 50% to 67% of the population would need to be resistant before herd immunity kicks in and the infection rates start to go down.

I have not heard ANY member of the medical community claim any of the Covid vaccines currently being given out (World wide) is GUARANTEED to make you immune from the virus. Or stop you spreading it ... you may be just carrying the virus ... but not affected by it.
And some of those vaccinated may STILL get infected by the virus.

And I have not heard that if you are tested and get a negative result ... that it is because you are immune to the virus. It only means (for certain) that you haven't got it (yet).

It might only mean that you have not been in close (enough) contact with any infected person.

To ALL of you ... THAT should be your aim.

If you're feeling lucky ... buy a lotto ticket.

Good luck with that too ... ;)

FJRider

6th March 2021, 17:53

Oh I see, only vaccination can provide herd immunity :tugger:

Herd immunity is only assured if nobody in the herd has the virus.

Doing nothing to prevent being infected is probably not wise. As it is with road safety ... the more steps you take to stay safe ... the greater the likelihood you will be.

Nobody wants to be the first one in their family to catch the virus. Or the first to be killed in a road accident.

Stay safe.

Just saying ...

mashman

6th March 2021, 19:37

Herd immunity is only assured if nobody in the herd has the virus.

Doing nothing to prevent being infected is probably not wise. As it is with road safety ... the more steps you take to stay safe ... the greater the likelihood you will be.

Nobody wants to be the first one in their family to catch the virus. Or the first to be killed in a road accident.

Stay safe.

Just saying ...

Everyone can have the virus in a vaccinated population, yet there can be herd immunity. Natural herd immunity must be different then innit to make your only an only.

The road to hell is often paved with good intentions... as proven by the otherwise perfectly healthy people who are now dead/injured because they took a vaccination.

Indeed, stay safe in whatever way You consider most appropriate for You.

Ken wit a mean n nat no.

FJRider

6th March 2021, 21:01

Everyone can have the virus in a vaccinated population ...

Even the scientists tell us the "Herd immunity" won't keep the entire herd safe. Or the entire vaccinated population.

Even good plans have flaws.

Just saying ...

mashman

6th March 2021, 22:32

Even the scientists tell us the "Herd immunity" won't keep the entire herd safe. Or the entire vaccinated population.

Even good plans have flaws.

Just saying ...

Hence, Everyone CAN have the virus in a vaccinated population blah blah blah ...

TheDemonLord

7th March 2021, 07:42

Herd immunity is only assured if nobody in the herd has the virus.

More specifically - it works if the person or people within the herd only have interaction with those that have immunity (either from previous infection or vaccination), which breaks the transmission of the virus to outside the herd.

pritch

7th March 2021, 13:56

From the WHO website...

'Herd immunity', also known as 'population immunity', is the indirect protection from an infectious disease that happens when a population is immune either through vaccination or immunity developed through previous infection

The quote is irrelevant. NZ does not currently have a significant population that have developed immunity through infection. Hopefully that will continue to be the case. That leaves vaccination.

FJRider

7th March 2021, 14:34

More specifically - it works if the person or people within the herd only have interaction with those that have immunity (either from previous infection or vaccination), which breaks the transmission of the virus to outside the herd.

Even MORE specifically ... if you don't have any interaction with anybody that has the virus ... you won't get it.

Immunity does not mean you can't CARRY it (and spread the virus to those NOT immune) ... it just means you are immune from it's effects.

mashman

7th March 2021, 15:02

The quote is irrelevant. NZ does not currently have a significant population that have developed immunity through infection. Hopefully that will continue to be the case. That leaves vaccination.

Irrelevant. Hmmmmm, let's see now. A vaccination that has the POTENTIAL to protect 70%, maybe 80% at a push v's a known natural survival rate of 99.x%... and you think everything else is irrelevant because vaccination is our best bet. That has to be the singularly most stupid statement you have ever made, and that is saying something!

onearmedbandit

7th March 2021, 17:14

The quote is irrelevant. NZ does not currently have a significant population that have developed immunity through infection. Hopefully that will continue to be the case. That leaves vaccination.

Not irrelevant at all when you consider your statement, "I have not heard any sane person claim herd immunity. Where do you imagine you heard that? Herd immunity requires about 80% of the population to be vaccinated. That's a long way off." which is just wrong.

pritch

7th March 2021, 18:21

Not irrelevant at all when you consider your statement, "I have not heard any sane person claim herd immunity. Where do you imagine you heard that? Herd immunity requires about 80% of the population to be vaccinated. That's a long way off." which is just wrong.

It's completely irrelevant. In the absence of any immunity from infection in this country, vaccination is the answer. The percentages vary, I saw the Pom expert quoting 60% but I've also read 80%, and on the usual basis more is better I'll stick with that. That Pom expert doesn't currently have a very good record anyway.

Also you need to consider the context. I was replying to this:
"NZ has already achieved herd immunity? According to the governments and their tellybox comms, infected people have been oot and aboot without there being any new cases. Makes perfect sense "

Anyhoo if you still feel like an argument carry on without me.

mashman

8th March 2021, 06:16

It's completely irrelevant. In the absence of any immunity from infection in this country, vaccination is the answer. The percentages vary, I saw the Pom expert quoting 60% but I've also read 80%, and on the usual basis more is better I'll stick with that. That Pom expert doesn't currently have a very good record anyway.

Also you need to consider the context. I was replying to this:
"NZ has already achieved herd immunity? According to the governments and their tellybox comms, infected people have been oot and aboot without there being any new cases. Makes perfect sense "

Anyhoo if you still feel like an argument carry on without me.

You missed the question mark. I never said anyone has said what you said that I said they said. Your context is wrong. :tugger:

husaberg

8th March 2021, 17:18

Irrelevant. Hmmmmm, let's see now. A vaccination that has the POTENTIAL to protect 70%, maybe 80% at a push v's a known natural survival rate of 99.x%... and you think everything else is irrelevant because vaccination is our best bet. That has to be the singularly most stupid statement you have ever made, and that is saying something!

the observed mortality rate for Covid ranges from 1.4-9%.
the USA at 1.8 and the UK at 2.9% and Italy at 3.3%
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality.
As the whole idea of vaccination is that it prevents people from catching the virus from passing on the virus and from dying from the virus
You seem to have decided on a number you are happy with at 1% yet you apparently do not accept a 100 times less death rate as a result of the vaccine.
The vaccination for TB has about the same level of effectiveness yet has whipped out TB from the developed world, but you know better?
Out of interest what is your medical training consist of again?

pritch

17th March 2021, 08:44

R650R

18th March 2021, 17:09

There was a thread on Twitter yesterday, from the USA of course. People writing bad restaurant reviews because of tastless food. The writers apparently blissfully unaware that they have the virus and are ethusiastically spreading it.

The stupidity continues with people visiting Florida for Bike Week and Spring Break and then likely taking the disease home with them all across the USA.

Cause like NO worries be EVER made that complaint before lol....

Yes the freedom continues.... good thing the virus is tactically aware and doesn’t go to BLM protests or Democrat election celebration parties...

Bonez

18th March 2021, 17:15

Cause like NO worries be EVER made that complaint before lol....

Yes the freedom continues.... good thing the virus is tactically aware and doesn’t go to BLM protests or Democrat election celebration parties...But but pritch did state Germany had created a vaccine for Covid 10.and Trump wanted to pinch it :rolleyes:

OH! and his ignore function has broken once again.

pritch

21st March 2021, 18:13

Cause like NO worries be EVER made that complaint before lol....

Yes the freedom continues.... good thing the virus is tactically aware and doesn’t go to BLM protests or Democrat election celebration parties...

People may have made that complaint previously, but it seems to have escaped your notice that there has now been a pandemic for over a year caused by a virus the first symptoms of which are often loss of smell and taste.

Parts of Florida have announced an urgent shut down, there is a curfew and guests are confined to their hotels. The mass partying scared officials. It might have been better if they had just remembered what happened last year. But hey it is Forida...