speed... GPS vs speedo

[dangerous]

right, heres one for ya... 3 different GPS gadgets in my near new work ute, all GPS read at 100kph 5k less... same in the car and on the bike... weird shit...
OK so, whats more accurate...
heres the thing, I was told car manufactures in NZ set speedos at 4kph under true reading... bull shit or not? I cant see it, as they need to be accurate... so why is GPS always reading slower... GPS NOT so accurate, or is it?
Mr piggles nicks ya for speeding... is this GPS speed, radar speed, speedo speed, laser speed... what the fuck is accurate???

ps: I expect the 3 GPS units (dash cam, phone and radar detector) work of the same satellite hence all the same reading?
Whos in the know here?

[F5 Dave]

Gjeez dangerous, take some care in explaining what device reads what.

Either way the GPS cant be wrong if you use it correctly.

Long straight road, try 100kph and hold for several seconds.

If GPS say 95 then you are doing 95.

Vehicle speedos are optimistic.

Both triumphs were 7% out. Van was 12% but back to commercial tyres and it went to 10%. Car is about 5% optimistic.
Wife's Corolla is weirdly accurate.


Google how GPS works and history, its actually interesting.

But consider this. You're the US military, and you want to send a care package full of surprisingly hot treats to a baddie.
Your platform is traveling at ninetity-billion mph (US measurements here sonny boy) and a 1% error will land it in another country. Not useful.

[Gremlin]

The vehicle is not legal if it under-reads (you're doing 105 real, and it says 100), so often manufacturers, for safety, will deliberately make the vehicle over-read.

Bear in mind, the difference in speed reading on new vs worn out tyres can be 1-2kph, tyre pressure can alter the accuracy by the same, or more. Change the tyres to something else and just about anything is possible.

GPS readings will only really be accurate if you're on a straight road at a constant speed. The GPS is actually anticipating where you'll be in the next second or two based on the data, then corrects if you're not actually there, hence a lag in you slowing, and the GPS showing that.

[jellywrestler]

just did a calculation it appears on a 19inch front from new to legal worn there's a 1% difference in circumference for starters, car tires usually have a bit more tread so there's maybe 1.5% to start with variation. add to that manufacturers tollerance in speedos etc it's no wonder they mar em down, or risk lawsuits for getting tickets maybe. GPS all the way, I think if a satelittle is smart enough to stay in the sky it's smarter than your Toyota Rav 4

[merv]

Dangerous, your logic is dangerous. Correct logic is the GPS is always reading lower because that is the correct speed. Your speedos will reader higher, not lower than true speed, and you'll be going slower than they say. That is the deliberate conservative error built into the speedos so you can't blame the manufacturer for being caught by the cops for speeding.

So the manufacturer sets the speedo to show over the true reading not under as you stated. I'm guessing if you heard that story from someone else they meant to say you will be going under what the speedo says.

[mulletman]

My older Garmin in the trusty 04 Rav 4 both agree on speed readings , the Garmin in the 11 Kizashi says the Suzi is 4kms under at 100kph the roadside speed read outs agree with the Garmin and the fact other cars catch me up and the ones in front creep away while mine indicates 100kph.

[Berries]

Slow down Rossi.

[pritch]

I was told car manufactures in NZ set speedos at 4kph under true reading... bull shit or not?

Bull shit. Definitely. Almost all speedos read slightly high compared to GPS: my bike 6kph, my car 3kph. Akthough I should check the car again - new tyres.

[dangerous]

Yeah I fooked that up... Ment to say speedometers read 4ish above actual
So if GPS is more the accurate then what does piggles do you with...
By this I'm safe to sit at speedo 105kph and not get remed as the GPS says 100

[merv]

Yeah I fooked that up... Ment to say speedometers read 4ish above actual
So if GPS is more the accurate then what does piggles do you with...
By this I'm safe to sit at speedo 105kph and not get remed as the GPS says 100

If you are going at the correct speed according to GPS the piggles should have no reason to be doing anything with you, if by piggles you mean the cops.

[dangerous]

If you are going at the correct speed according to GPS the piggles should have no reason to be doing anything with you, if by piggles you mean the cops.

LOL... Yeah but that wouldn't be my luck, sitting on 95 drive buy points, so 103 0n the dash and 96 on the GPS, and I still crap myself when the detector goes off

[F5 Dave]

On my Triumphs I could correct error with TuneECU sw so when I look down I dont have to do math, I know if I need to hit picks if I see a collector. Newer ones dont run same SW sadly.

[release_the_bees]

Pretty much every bike I've ever owned has displayed the speed 5-10% higher than it actually is. Except for a KR150, that read like 40% out at 100 km/h. (It was great fun doing my full licence test on it and only having a rough idea of my actual speed.)

If it puts the original poster's mind at rest, I've ridden past police many times doing 110-112 indicated. They've never cared in the slightest because their radars are measuring the actual speed, and 110 on those speedos was pretty much bang on 100.

Sent from my SM-G965F using Tapatalk

[slofox]

I calibrated the speedo in my current car. You need cruise control (to keep the speed steady), a stopwatch and some measured kilometer strips (like the 5km posted odometer strips on the d'Auckland southern motorway approaching Bombay).

At 100km/hr. a km takes 36 seconds. You set the car's speed with cruise control and time how long it takes to cover one km. Longer than 36 seconds, you are slower than 100 and less time means faster than 100. I found 105 on the car speedo matched the 36 seconds per km.

I ran my GPS at the same time. It agreed with the stopwatch. 105, at 36 seconds per km, was exactly 100km/hr on the GPS.

So you can believe your GPS. Most of the time...certainly under those conditions where you can maintain steady speed and a straight line for a decent distance.

[R650R]

Firstly NEVER tell the cop about your GPS device if your disputing his claim. As all you are doing is announcing another treasure trove of evidence that he can now seize and use against you.
Same for any of those phone apps that track your ride and overlay it on a sat map for social media bragging

A truckie mate made the bad decision to dispute a roadside ticket because his GPS said 96 (which is still same ticket) vs 98. Cop got real pissed off and several days later seized GPS records and he was now facing over 300 seperate occasions of speeding.... plus location data didnÂ’t match logbook rest times...


Went along to watch the case as I knew matey had couple avenues of possible escape....
Early on the judge announced that NZ courts had already accepted GPS speed data as 100% accurate in previous cases so he was buffered there.
The judge was real hesitant about location data though (even though its linked if you understand how it all works) as that has never been used in nz court before.

In the end the cops made major stuff up by presenting the evidence in a hearsay manner and they didnÂ’t know where the servers were so defence was denied right to contest accurateness and integrity of the stored data/evidence.

Whole case was dismissed, judge was really pissed off.

In over 2 million trucking kms IÂ’ve always found most trucks accurate to about 2km my car and bikes usually overread about 4km.

Also in my circles it seems radar detector owners get more tickets, sometimes old school situational awareness beats technogy which always has its failings.

[Blackbird]

My older Garmin in the trusty 04 Rav 4 both agree on speed readings , the Garmin in the 11 Kizashi says the Suzi is 4kms under at 100kph the roadside speed read outs agree with the Garmin and the fact other cars catch me up and the ones in front creep away while mine indicates 100kph.

The Garmin in my 2005 RAV 4 agrees within 2km/hr with what is shown on the speedo. The speedo on my wife's Jazz RS appears to read about 6km/hr high compared with the GPS and phone. Compared with various GPS models I've owned, the speedo on my Blackbird read 110 km/hr at a GPS 100 which was the worst variance of any bike I've owned. The best is my current Duke 790 at 105 km/hr indicated.



Also in my circles it seems radar detector owners get more tickets, sometimes old school situational awareness beats technogy which always has its failings.

I bought a radar detector in 2005 and stopped using it in 2010. Totally agree that good situational awareness was and still is the first and best line of defence and the detector was just an adjunct to that. I mainly stopped using it as it wasn't as useful as I thought it would be for the sort of riding I do. Not a good look being an IAM mentor either :laugh:

[pritch]

I bought a radar detector in 2005 and stopped using it in 2010. Totally agree that good situational awareness was and still is the first and best line of defence and the detector was just an adjunct to that. I mainly stopped using it as it wasn't as useful as I thought it would be for the sort of riding I do. Not a good look being an IAM mentor either :laugh:

Not being an IAM mentor I'm not thus encumbered. There have been a number of times the detector has saved me when the source of the signal was just not visible because it was down a hill, around a bend, behind an obstrction, or similar.

As long as you don't rely on the detector totally. All of which reminds me I need a coupla betteries for the helmet receiver unit...

[Blackbird]

Not being an IAM mentor I'm not thus encumbered. There have been a number of times the detector has saved me when the source of the signal was just not visible because it was down a hill, around a bend, behind an obstrction, or similar.

As long as you don't rely on the detector totally. All of which reminds me I need a coupla betteries for the helmet receiver unit...

Hahaha! Likewise when I used mine, useful with partially disguised camera vans too. However, doing the odd trackday is a better place for the higher speeds and to be honest, tight twisty back roads offer far more enjoyment than outright speed. Yep, it's when you put too much reliance on a detector that the trouble starts......

[neels]

The jap cars I've owned have all read around 5k higher on the speedo than actual speed, when checked against GPS.

The old Peugeot on it's original tyres was the same, when I swapped wheels the tyres were 1 size bigger, so now reads pretty much bang on.

The mercs and bmw's in the family all read the same as the GPS give or take bugger all, german efficiency and all that.

Had one car that read under, wondered why everyone was going so slow all the time, turned out the little fiat's speedo was about 7k lower than actual speed.

Always do a check against GPS so I know what speed I'm actually doing, weird thing is the work cars with sat nav built in still don't use the GPS for the speed so indicated is usually about 5k fast.

[dangerous]

I ran my GPS at the same time. It agreed with the stopwatch. 105, at 36 seconds per km, was exactly 100km/hr on the GPS.

FUCK yes... tried this on the way home... to the .00 of a sec, bloody amazing...

[FJRider]

The vehicle is not legal if it under-reads (you're doing 105 real, and it says 100), so often manufacturers, for safety, will deliberately make the vehicle over-read.

WRONG ... the (NZ) law states your speedometer must be working for WOF. It does NOT state it must be accurate.

It is the vehicle operator that has to ensure they do not exceed any posted speed limit. How they do that is their responsibility.

Any GPS unit needs a fix on more than one satellite to get a reading ... at least five to get a half decent result of your speed accuracy. For the GPS to get a fix on at least five during your entire journey is (at best) a bit of a lottery.

But for all that ... I'd trust GPS over any vehicle speedometer.

And my GPS got me off a 122 km/hr speeding ticket. But that's another story ...

[FJRider]

Yeah I fooked that up... Ment to say speedometers read 4ish above actual
So if GPS is more the accurate then what does piggles do you with...
By this I'm safe to sit at speedo 105kph and not get remed as the GPS says 100

If your speed is below the speed limit (or tolerance being permitted at the officers discretion) ... they leave you alone.

Unless they're having a quiet day ... and then a Random breath test is in order. Followed by the WOF / rego / license check.

[SaferRides]

Firstly NEVER tell the cop about your GPS device if your disputing his claim. As all you are doing is announcing another treasure trove of evidence that he can now seize and use against you.
Same for any of those phone apps that track your ride and overlay it on a sat map for social media bragging

A truckie mate made the bad decision to dispute a roadside ticket because his GPS said 96 (which is still same ticket) vs 98. Cop got real pissed off and several days later seized GPS records and he was now facing over 300 seperate occasions of speeding.... plus location data didnÂ’t match logbook rest times...


Went along to watch the case as I knew matey had couple avenues of possible escape....
Early on the judge announced that NZ courts had already accepted GPS speed data as 100% accurate in previous cases so he was buffered there.
The judge was real hesitant about location data though (even though its linked if you understand how it all works) as that has never been used in nz court before.

In the end the cops made major stuff up by presenting the evidence in a hearsay manner and they didnÂ’t know where the servers were so defence was denied right to contest accurateness and integrity of the stored data/evidence.

Whole case was dismissed, judge was really pissed off.

In over 2 million trucking kms IÂ’ve always found most trucks accurate to about 2km my car and bikes usually overread about 4km.

Also in my circles it seems radar detector owners get more tickets, sometimes old school situational awareness beats technogy which always has its failings.That all seems strange as the police have limited powers to search a motor vehicle, unless you give them permission. Certainly not to retrieve a GPS to investigate speeding.

[F5 Dave]

I think you are supposed to say; "cool story bro"

His mate was a truckie in Iraq maybe.

[SaferRides]

I think you are supposed to say; "cool story bro"

His mate was a truckie in Iraq maybe.Sorry, it was a good story!

Maybe the cops got the data from a GPS tracking system? But yes, definitely best to avoid getting in that situation.

[R650R]

Sorry, it was a good story!

Maybe the cops got the data from a GPS tracking system? But yes, definitely best to avoid getting in that situation.

My mate had a pretty good lawyer so I'm sure if that's was the case it wouldn't have even got near courtroom stage.
Not sure of search rights as I'm not a criminal or activist so haven't needed to know my rights in those regards. Pretty sure in post 911 world search warrants are mere formalities....
In any case the boss handed over the records, well a copy thereof which leant the hearsay angle...
CVIU have pretty strong powers to seize logbook and related data at any time....
Data stored in the cloud....

Dont get me started on GPS service providers selling speed data to law enforcement either ( mainstream news USA).....

[SaferRides]

If the police ask if they can search something, that usually means they have no legal right to do so. Sometimes they don't even bother asking if they think they can get away with it...

[caspernz]

That all seems strange as the police have limited powers to search a motor vehicle, unless you give them permission. Certainly not to retrieve a GPS to investigate speeding.

The CVST have fairly broad powers to request GPS records, if deception is suspected, not that hard in some cases.
Serious injury or fatality accident is another example, best have your records straight :rolleyes:
But as with any enforcement agency, not enough bods on the ground to effectively police all the dodgy stuff going on :devil2:

[FJRider]

Firstly NEVER tell the cop about your GPS device if your disputing his claim. As all you are doing is announcing another treasure trove of evidence that he can now seize and use against you.
Same for any of those phone apps that track your ride and overlay it on a sat map for social media bragging

My hand held GPS got me off a 122 km/hr ticket. The cop stopped me and declared he got a lock on my speed. Asked if I wanted to see the readout on the Hawk. YES was my response. 122 km/hr was showing. I showed him my GPS which declared my MAXIMUM speed for the last 2.5 hrs was 98.3 km/hr. I asked him how his machine could differ from my GPS. He (with a straight face) told me my GPS needed "Re calibrating". My response was to ask for the certification HIS unit was accurate ... and the date it was LAST certified as accurate. He declined my request. This officer worked out of the area I lived in (Alexandra) and the Senior Sargent in charge was known to me as he was involved in the Scouting movement as was I. I had his phone number and rang him. Told him my issue ... and the response was ... He's done it again. (This particular officer was known to keep the readout on the screen and uses it as "evidence" of excess speed for more than one stop). He asked me to pass my phone to the officer. I did. Request was made for BOTH of us to go to the Alexandra station. I was heading home anyway so we did. MY GPS was shown and was allowed to depart.

GPS records the speed attained. Not LOCATION that the speed that was attained. Those that choose to keep records of their previous speeding records are entitled to. But there can be downsides to that. As you've said ... questions can be asked. My device never stored speed history. I saw to that.

And my phone does not have "Apps".



A truckie mate made the bad decision to dispute a roadside ticket because his GPS said 96 (which is still same ticket) vs 98. Cop got real pissed off and several days later seized GPS records and he was now facing over 300 separate occasions of speeding.... plus location data didnÂ’t match logbook rest times...

The GPS tracking records of commercial vehicles fitted to vehicles is commonplace nowadays. Routes taken by the vehicle and speeds attained are officially on record. Rest stops and times between start and finish of journeys are hard to argue. GPS records time moving and time stopped. Both of which has to differ from what is claimed for charges to be laid. PROVING those charges in a Court of LAW is another story.


In the end the cops made major stuff up by presenting the evidence in a hearsay manner and they didnÂ’t know where the servers were so defence was denied right to contest accurateness and integrity of the stored data/evidence.

Undeniable proof of the location/time of the offense is required for a conviction.


Whole case was dismissed, judge was really pissed off.

The judge had no choice.


In over 2 million trucking kms IÂ’ve always found most trucks accurate to about 2km my car and bikes usually overread about 4km.

Nine years driving furniture trucks ... their speedo's were pretty accurate, but My FJ1200 is pretty much bang on the money. Yamaha quality I guess ... ;)


Also in my circles it seems radar detector owners get more tickets, sometimes old school situational awareness beats technogy which always has its failings.

Radar detector owners RELY on their warnings. Those without them rely on luck. Plod operators of the Radar devices seldom have them constantly on. Tactics is the name of that game.

If you're the only vehicle on ANY stretch of road ... it's pretty hard to claim "It wasn't you .. !!!"

[FJRider]

If the police ask if they can search something, that usually means they have no legal right to do so. Sometimes they don't even bother asking if they think they can get away with it...

Not quite. Bullshit actually. Speed in getting an offense actioned in due legal process is important before evidence is "lost". Refusal implies an offense HAS been committed. THEN ... if the case might stand up in court ... they just start digging deeper. With reasonable cause to do so.

If an offense HAS been committed ... an early admission of guilt will be to the accused benefit in court. The route YOU might take in that regard is your choice.

[SaferRides]

Not quite. Bullshit actually. Speed in getting an offense actioned in due legal process is important before evidence is "lost". Refusal implies an offense HAS been committed. THEN ... if the case might stand up in court ... they just start digging deeper. With reasonable cause to do so.

If an offense HAS been committed ... an early admission of guilt will be to the accused benefit in court. The route YOU might take in that regard is your choice.Maybe you should read my post more slowly and carefully.

[Gremlin]

GPS records the speed attained. Not LOCATION that the speed that was attained.
Not quite. Depends on the GPS perhaps, while the GPS will just show the basic max speed, pull the trip logs to a PC and open in the software, and it will tell you exactly what you did over each point to point in the log etc.

[FJRider]

That all seems strange as the police have limited powers to search a motor vehicle, unless you give them permission. Certainly not to retrieve a GPS to investigate speeding.

At the time the vehicle is stopped roadside maybe. BUT ... if due cause to believe an offense has been committed ... your claim is bullshit. But most Commercial vehicle GPS tracking system recorders ... the drivers have no access to. The ones the drivers use with the maps giving directions to an address store little information relevant to Police interest.

But most commercial vehicle operators with GPS tracking systems installed in their vehicles ... keep records of the data in the system at the Business main office. The chance of proving innocence is more likely than guilt (on most occasions). BUT ... if there IS suspected guilt ... a Court order ... and the truth comes out.

What plod are after is seldom a single traffic (speeding) offense ... but proof of a multiple and continued offending ... and it is their intention to (try to) prove it IN COURT.

[FJRider]

Not quite. Depends on the GPS perhaps, while the GPS will just show the basic max speed, pull the trip logs to a PC and open in the software, and it will tell you exactly what you did over each point to point in the log etc.

My hand held stored Max speed. Time stopped. Time moving. Total elapsed time and average speed. Other (stored) options were available. None of which could PROVE location of any of the above. If proof of WHERE it happened ... cannot be PROVEN ... no charges can be laid.

Commercial vehicle tracking systems are different. What is kept in the system might be valuable to plod ... but what actually was NOT recorded is important. Important to avoid the attentions of plod.

I was NEVER censured (by my employer) for exceeding any posted speed limits ... unless I was caught (by Plod) doing so.

And my Log Book entries were never questioned.

[FJRider]

Maybe you should read my post more slowly and carefully.

I did.


If the police ask if they can search something, that usually means they have no legal right to do so. Sometimes they don't even bother asking if they think they can get away with it...

Your use of "Usually" means that's YOUR opinion. Not actually a fact in all or ANY occasions. I bet you can't even claim any set percentage of traffic stops this MIGHT occur. As such ... it's NOT fact ... just a guess/assumption by you that their intention for asking permission is devious.

And at any traffic stop ... they DO have the right to ask you ... better results are gained from politeness than demands. The end result in Court (if there WAS an offense) goes better if permission was attained first.

You just keep refusing permission to search ... and I hope it all turns out well for you.


Safer rides ... I doubt it.

[merv]

I only have Garmin GPS units and they all record a track log as you go as Gremlin has said and they continually archive the information in files which I can download to my laptop.

The stored sampling rate varies by the unit itself depending on how straight the road was and how constant your speed was and with an individual leg length of only a second or so it would be hard to argue you weren't actually going that speed at that time.

See attached screen grab from a sample track which I slid the bar over to show the actual position coordinates. If anyone got hold of such information it would be hard to argue you weren't going that speed at that location at the time recorded. This recording was from my Garmin Nuvi standard car navigation GPS and it does record most things.

[SaferRides]

I did.



Your use of "Usually" means that's YOUR opinion. Not actually a fact in all or ANY occasions. I bet you can't even claim any set percentage of traffic stops this MIGHT occur. As such ... it's NOT fact ... just a guess/assumption by you that their intention for asking permission is devious.

And at any traffic stop ... they DO have the right to ask you ... better results are gained from politeness than demands. The end result in Court (if there WAS an offense) goes better if permission was attained first.

You just keep refusing permission to search ... and I hope it all turns out well for you.


Safer rides ... I doubt it.

The only point I am making is if they do ask to do something, it usually means that they need your permission to do so. At that point, you can simply say yes or no, or have a discussion and then decide.

I did not say what I would do in that situation.

Sometimes they may just ask instead of invoking their powers under legislation such at the Misuse of Drugs Act, which can make it simpler for them in court. That is why I said "usually".

[FJRider]

The only point I am making is if they do ask to do something, it usually means that they need your permission to do so. At that point, you can simply say yes or no, or have a discussion and then decide.

BULLSHIT. Most cases it is because it's in the interest of Public Relations ... it's more polite to ask than DEMAND.

If they have Reasonable Cause to believe ... the rules change. Then the demands are made and you should phone your lawyer.


I did not say what I would do in that situation.

Don't care. But your assumptions on their asking is wrong.


Sometimes they may just ask instead of invoking their powers under legislation such at the Misuse of Drugs Act, which can make it simpler for them in court. That is why I said "usually".

If you think they resort to using the Misuse of Drugs act in what is a non drug related traffic stop ... you really HAVE got it wrong.

As I said ... Reasonable cause to believe ... can cover a lot of arrests and searches.

[FJRider]

The stored sampling rate varies by the unit itself depending on how straight the road was and how constant your speed was and with an individual leg length of only a second or so it would be hard to argue you weren't actually going that speed at that time.

See attached screen grab from a sample track which I slid the bar over to show the actual position coordinates. If anyone got hold of such information it would be hard to argue you weren't going that speed at that location at the time recorded. This recording was from my Garmin Nuvi standard car navigation GPS and it does record most things.

If people choose to fit and use equipment in/on their vehicles (in plain view) that stores information that could incriminate themselves ... that is their choice. Have you looked to see what settings can be made so some information does not get recorded .. ??

And not much point in trying to argue your way out of a speeding ticket. Unless you weren't speeding. Which ... in the case I described in a post above ... I wasn't. And hadn't been.

[slofox]

I disabled the tracking recording ability of my Garman Zumo. Not because of fear of apprehension. It was after I saw that it recorded me at 184km/hr in the street where I lived.
Well, gee that's some performance of the bike. The distance from me to the end of the road was about 35 metres. Some acceleration eh?

Quite apart from the fact that I never used any of the recorded stuff anyway, I decided that such nonsense was not worth having so disabled it.

[F5 Dave]

Geez some of youse guys have dragged the fun out of this thread with petty handbag slinging. ��

Lighten up and let's be more positive. Working as a team of diverse agents but with a common interest and goal.

Namely taking the piss out of dangerous.

[dangerous]

Bugger off Dave...
So this part will get them going again...
Part reason for the thread is a public member *555 me right, tried getting me for "dangerous" but its come in the mail and its passing with no view ahead...
CROCK A SHIT they were in a wee car tailgating another, so all they could see was a bumper I however have 2m roof height and could see for... And here we have it cos I brought a dash cam GPS and took a video and measured the road, 800m viability.
We were in a 100k area them 70-80kph max and twice down to 60kph.
So I passed and they complained and I got nicked

Fuckers

[FJRider]

Bugger off Dave...
So this part will get them going again...
Part reason for the thread is a public member *555 me right, tried getting me for "dangerous" but its come in the mail and its passing with no view ahead...
CROCK A SHIT they were in a wee car tailgating another, so all they could see was a bumper I however have 2m roof height and could see for... And here we have it cos I brought a dash cam GPS and took a video and measured the road, 800m viability.
We were in a 100k area them 70-80kph max and twice down to 60kph.
So I passed and they complained and I got nicked

Fuckers

I call BULLSHIT with this post. Or ... there is a lot you aren't telling us.

*555 calls go like this ...


Police will treat your Community Roadwatch report as confidential. Your report will be assessed and if an offence and vehicle can be clearly identified, Police will contact the owner of the vehicle to tell them of the allegation made and of the expected standards of driver behaviour.

If you want the incident to be investigated with a view to the offender being prosecuted, you must lodge a formal complaint at your nearest police station.



If YOUR "Bill in the mail" arrived without YOU having a chat with Plod ... due *555 process was not followed. And you have a right to complain.

[Berries]

I had to change my route to work as some prick took a dislike to my filtering to the front of the traffic and *555'd me.

Have now solved the problem by getting a bike with handlebars so wide filtering is a pain in the arse. Now I'm the prick.

[dangerous]

I call BULLSHIT with this post. Or ... there is a lot you aren't telling us.

*555 calls go like this ...





If YOUR "Bill in the mail" arrived without YOU having a chat with Plod ... due *555 process was not followed. And you have a right to complain.

ohh we chatted all right, he rightly nutted of at me hence the dangerous threat... but he sent out the later

[R650R]

Bugger off Dave...
So this part will get them going again...
Part reason for the thread is a public member *555 me right, tried getting me for "dangerous" but its come in the mail and its passing with no view ahead...
CROCK A SHIT they were in a wee car tailgating another, so all they could see was a bumper I however have 2m roof height and could see for... And here we have it cos I brought a dash cam GPS and took a video and measured the road, 800m viability.
We were in a 100k area them 70-80kph max and twice down to 60kph.
So I passed and they complained and I got nicked

Fuckers

I’d contest that, make the deckers show up in court and make them provide evidence....

Trouble is I expect the cop has issued you an ‘improper overtake’ typecticket under careless use which is say $150 fine knowing full well the cost of protesting your innocence is much higher...

[F5 Dave]

ohh we chatted all right, he rightly nutted of at me hence the dangerous threat... but he sent out the later

That sucks dude.

[FJRider]

I’d contest that, make the deckers show up in court and make them provide evidence....

Trouble is I expect the cop has issued you an ‘improper overtake’ typecticket under careless use which is say $150 fine knowing full well the cost of protesting your innocence is much higher...

I had a similar accusation via *555 a few years back. I gave a slightly different version to the complainant. I told the cop I was happy to take it to Court. And to ensure the complainant was in court to give their version IN COURT. Regardless of any formal (sworn) statement they might have made. Turns out NO official complaint at a Police station was ever made. When I got to court on the day ... the charge was dropped as no official complaint was actually made.

There are some with *555 on speed dial. They go driving LOOKING for bad driving.


The best thing to do is ... deny everything ... And keep a straight face.

[dangerous]

I’d contest that, make the deckers show up in court and make them provide evidence....

Trouble is I expect the cop has issued you an ‘improper overtake’ typecticket under careless use which is say $150 fine knowing full well the cost of protesting your innocence is much higher...

Im going to, yeah $150 and 35 points... thats not so bad, but fuck it no stuck up prat that is so insecure on the road that they max out at 80KPH and wont move over so inexperienced that they think they have the right to tattle false tales... naa im over fuckers like this, just cos they have a shit life and or no life dont mean they need to fuck with mine... I was on a nice drive with my two sons to see their gran... and now risk loosing my licence.

so yeah, gathering my GPS stats and doing my math with video...

[Gremlin]

Bugger off Dave...
So this part will get them going again...
Part reason for the thread is a public member *555 me right, tried getting me for "dangerous" but its come in the mail and its passing with no view ahead...
CROCK A SHIT they were in a wee car tailgating another, so all they could see was a bumper I however have 2m roof height and could see for... And here we have it cos I brought a dash cam GPS and took a video and measured the road, 800m viability.
We were in a 100k area them 70-80kph max and twice down to 60kph.
So I passed and they complained and I got nicked

Fuckers
Section 7.17 of Land Transport (Road User) Rules 2004: https://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2004/0427/latest/whole.html#DLM303635
Basically, you commit an offence if you travel so close to the vehicle in front as to inhibit others from passing.

[R650R]

Im going to, yeah $150 and 35 points... thats not so bad, but fuck it no stuck up prat that is so insecure on the road that they max out at 80KPH and wont move over so inexperienced that they think they have the right to tattle false tales... naa im over fuckers like this, just cos they have a shit life and or no life dont mean they need to fuck with mine... I was on a nice drive with my two sons to see their gran... and now risk loosing my licence.

so yeah, gathering my GPS stats and doing my math with video...

Don’t get too flash or you risk the legal sharks tripping you up without your own evidence.
All you need to do is contest the accuracy of the allegation.
For starters I’d want to see a written signed statement made on or damn near as close as possible to offence date by the *555er.
If your lucky the cop will have been lazy and just talked over the phone with them.
I would take a simple unedited photo from the site that shows your safe view and distance.
Avoid any emotional derogatory description of the other driver, they are just a fellow motorist who interpreted a scene differently to you.
The court will not want to waste time or punish you for an instance where there isn’t clear evidence of the described offence. It’s not like someone oncoming has dashcam of emergency braking to avoid you etc...

[R650R]

ohh we chatted all right, he rightly nutted of at me hence the dangerous threat... but he sent out the later

Oh bugger....

Bugger

Never talk to the police without your lawyer.... it’s like sitting down at the salesman’s desk in the dealership, your not leaving without spending big $$

There’s a good American vid that says 80% of convictions would never happen without accused confessing, that’s why they precondition people via tv shows to the plea bargaining concept....
At least phone books have gotten smaller these days 😂😂😂😂

[FJRider]

ohh we chatted all right, he rightly nutted of at me hence the dangerous threat... but he sent out the later

Just perhaps ... you might not be telling US the full story. Rightly nutted off ... ????

[F5 Dave]

Probably just after dangerous head butted 'im, jeez he couldn't take a joke. Was only a light one.

[pritch]

Last time I looked, and it was a while ago, everybody appearing in court that day for careless use lost their licence. Well, all but one. Me. I had a lawyer.

[dangerous]

Just perhaps ... you might not be telling US the full story. Rightly nutted off ... ????

this guy is a known bike hater... but very passionate about his hood, and fair nuff he lives there... but OTT all the same
yeah... there was aparently 3 complants... then as I was parked up a nother car pulled up and complained... odddly there were 3 people in it... and it was the car I passed...


Last time I looked, and it was a while ago, everybody appearing in court that day for careless use lost their licence. Well, all but one. Me. I had a lawyer.

I dont... and expect to go down the same way... but as far as im concerned, I tried and stood up for my rights... as the CLASH sung...



Probably just after dangerous head butted 'im, jeez he couldn't take a joke. Was only a light one.

I wish... to old for that shit, id KO myself...

[F5 Dave]

I left my baby and it feels so bad
Guess my race is run
She's the best girl that I ever had

[dangerous]

I left my baby and it feels so bad
Guess my race is run
She's the best girl that I ever had
I fort the law... And the law one...

[Berries]

Don’t get too flash or you risk the legal sharks tripping you up without your own evidence.
All you need to do is contest the accuracy of the allegation.
For starters I’d want to see a written signed statement made on or damn near as close as possible to offence date by the *555er.
If your lucky the cop will have been lazy and just talked over the phone with them.
I would take a simple unedited photo from the site that shows your safe view and distance.
Avoid any emotional derogatory description of the other driver, they are just a fellow motorist who interpreted a scene differently to you.
The court will not want to waste time or punish you for an instance where there isn’t clear evidence of the described offence. It’s not like someone oncoming has dashcam of emergency braking to avoid you etc...
Quick, gets the Mods. Someone has stolen R650R's log in.

[FJRider]

... All you need to do is contest the accuracy of the allegation.

Nope ... just deny everything.

The basic theory of the *555 system is reporting NON urgent driving behavior and incidents. ie: Not requiring immediate Police attention like a collision.

Through the process ... only phone conversations are usually made between Police/accuser and Police/accused. Unless a Patrol car is in the area.

For what you may be regarding as a serious incident that you are reporting ... it is (you are) ADVISED to FORMALLY report it at any Police station in a FORMAL report/complaint. Most of the tossers that love doing the *555 thing are usually too fucking lazy to do this.

When plod contacts the accused ... and asks did you ... etc ??? ... and YOU say yes (in any way shape or form) ... the ticket will be in the mail. And if you deny it ALL ... the plod has two choices. Continue to investigate the incident ... or drop it. Usually after a short lecture on the seriousness on the topic of the issue being complained about. The Police being very busy people ... usually drops it ... with the he said / she said type reports. Unless THEY regard it as potentially serious and requires more investigation. Bear in mind *555 is for NON urgent and NON serious driving incidents. If you report an incident you will be told this.

A formal complaint being made by the complaint on the incident ... bumps the process up a bit. And a visit from plod can be expected by the accused.

The result in favor of those being reported ... depends mostly on the laziness of both the complainant and plod. The more work they have to do to get a result ... the less likely they will.

If you MAKE a complaint ... make it a formal one. They have the BEST chance of being actioned. But be accurate with ALL the details.

[dangerous]

dangerous fort the law.... AND D won :bleh:

thanks for the advice given people... and lessons learnt...

[R650R]

dangerous fort the law.... AND D won :bleh:

thanks for the advice given people... and lessons learnt...

Awesome... so debrief time what angle worked out in the end?

[veldthui]

Firstly NEVER tell the cop about your GPS device if your disputing his claim. As all you are doing is announcing another treasure trove of evidence that he can now seize and use against you.
Same for any of those phone apps that track your ride and overlay it on a sat map for social media bragging

Rubbish. Cop pulled me over after following me for about 20kms. My max speed was 107kph. When he pulled me over he said he clocked me at 130kph. He showed me his radar and it did indeed have 130 locked in but you can bet it was from the car he pulled over just before he pulled me up. I told him his locked in speed was bullshit and I could prove it via my GPS tracking. He then proceeded to tell me GPS was not a calibrated device and was prone to errors. He then told me I was doing nothing wrong but to slow down a bit. He then left.

[R650R]

Rubbish. Cop pulled me over after following me for about 20kms. My max speed was 107kph. When he pulled me over he said he clocked me at 130kph. He showed me his radar and it did indeed have 130 locked in but you can bet it was from the car he pulled over just before he pulled me up. I told him his locked in speed was bullshit and I could prove it via my GPS tracking. He then proceeded to tell me GPS was not a calibrated device and was prone to errors. He then told me I was doing nothing wrong but to slow down a bit. He then left.

Rubbish in regard to what I posted, reread my post correctly.

You got a rookie cop who may have made an error andcrealised his error... not related to what I posted

[SaferRides]

I was pulled over for 111 a few years ago when my speed was more like 100. The cop said my speedo must be wrong and I got the same speech when I told him I'd checked it by GPS.

I let it go in the end because he was getting pretty wound up, plus I was relieved he hadn't clocked me 5 minutes earlier!

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[pete376403]

These previous posts are a good reason why a cop radar lock should be timestamped. If the shittiest Android phone is capable of time and date stamping a photo or text and the internal clock is set to GPS time (or network time or whatever) then it should not be beyond the capabilities of the radar makers

[FJRider]

I was pulled over for 111 a few years ago when my speed was much lower. The cop said my speedo must be wrong and I got the same speech when I told him I'd checked it by GPS.

I let it go in the end because he was getting pretty wound up, plus I was relieved he hadn't clocked me 5 minutes earlier!

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He didn't clock you ... a few have been known to leave a speed reading in view. As he probably did prior to your stop ... :shifty:

Next time don't let it go. "Getting wound up" means HE knew he was losing the battle ... :shifty:

I was once told my GPS needed "Re calibrating" ... :shifty:

And ask THEM what date their unit was last certified as being correct ... :shifty:

[SaferRides]

These previous posts are a good reason why a cop radar lock should be timestamped. If the shittiest Android phone is capable of time and date stamping a photo or text and the internal clock is set to GPS time (or network time or whatever) then it should not be beyond the capabilities of the radar makersYou mean it's not??? You'd think in 2021 it would also take a photo showing what it had locked on to.



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[FJRider]

Awesome... so debrief time what angle worked out in the end?

The angle of the dangle is critical ... :innocent:

[FJRider]

You mean it's not??? You'd think in 2021 it would also take a photo showing what it had locked on to.

At the range they can get a locked on speed ... you wont get a good (or any) picture.

[dangerous]

Awesome... so debrief time what angle worked out in the end?

in brief... I said NOT guilty and that the public is not competent nor qualified to make the call and should they require I have video, photos and measurements to back up my innocence

[R650R]

in brief... I said NOT guilty and that the public is not competent nor qualified to make the call and should they require I have video, photos and measurements to back up my innocence

Cool. I’ve always wanted to use that line. I’d assume the “witnesses” for the prosecution prob didn’t show up ???? As you’d have the right to cross examine them....

[veldthui]

Rubbish in regard to what I posted, reread my post correctly.

You got a rookie cop who may have made an error andcrealised his error... not related to what I posted

You said never disclose that you have GPS tracking. If I had not I would have gotten a ticket for 130kph and then have to had gone through the bullshit of proving it in court. By telling him I bypassed all this.

And he was not a rookie cop and he knew what he was doing. He followed me for 20kms falling way back at times to try and catch me speeding but I stayed doing 105-107kph. When that failed he used the previous reading he had and got caught out. If he booked me for 107 then I would have said fair cop and accepted it.