2030 Petrol Vehicle Ban

[SamboNZ]

Thought you guys might be interested in this 'great idea' by the Ministry of Transport in a proposal about to be delivered to the government.

TLDR; unless opposed, the government are likely to ban imports of light Internal Combustion Engine vehicles by 2030 or 2035 and ban ownership completely by 2050.

Is this something you have a problem with? If so, tell them about it by sending a submission to transportemissions@transport.govt.nz (mailto:transportemissions@transport.govt.nz) before Friday 25th of June (that's this Friday!).



MOT Discussion Document:
https://www.transport.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/Discussion/Transport-EmissionsHikinateKohuparaDiscussionDoc.pdf - Page 105 & 114

Govt Press Release & Other Relevant Info:

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/govt-rev-reductions-transport-emissions
https://www.transport.govt.nz/area-of-interest/environment-and-climate-change/climate-change


I personally have no problem with electric cars, but I DO have a problem with the government telling me what kind of car I can own!

Speak up now or this may come to pass!!



Pass this on to others who may be interested as well!

[pete376403]

Seems a sure way for a government to loose an election.

[FJRider]

Seems a sure way for a government to loose an election.

My FIRST thoughts on the subject exactly ... Judith Collins for PM ... ???????????

COULD it happen ... ??

[Grumph]

I have no problem with any of it at this point. i'll be dead by then anyway. And look around you a little - manufacture of petrol powered vehicles will have ceased by then.
What you need to do is join one of the various clubs or organisations working for historic vehicle exemptions.

[R650R]

Already being discussed here ...

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/188646-Ten-years-tick-tock-the-bell-tolls-for-NZ-petrol-power

The good communists never “ban” anything it will just be taxed into oblivion....

Remember all the hysteria around peak oil a few years ago... we should be well and truely on other side of bell curve by now paying horrific prices and constrained supply but we are not.....

I see fluff news had some wanky article headlined about an EV doing a 9000km trip around NZ in 100 days.... FFS that’s only 90km a day average or one hours open road driving and they call it a success!!!!

That’s prob a hint at our future though as to what level of long term use of the EV makes its lifespan sustainable, eg higher repeated use of long journeys prob shortens battery lifespan making it a net loss over say 15 years compared to petrol

[SamboNZ]

Seems a sure way for a government to loose an election.

You may well be right, but if no-one speaks up they'll take it as silent approval...

[Swoop]

The good communists...

No such thing.

[FJRider]

... I see fluff news had some wanky article headlined about an EV doing a 9000km trip around NZ in 100 days.... FFS that’s only 90km a day average or one hours open road driving and they call it a success!!!!

That’s prob a hint at our future though as to what level of long term use of the EV makes its lifespan sustainable, eg higher repeated use of long journeys prob shortens battery lifespan making it a net loss over say 15 years compared to petrol

So they took the better part of 3 months to do it. How many can afford to take 3 months holiday to make a similar trip. And most likely the battery will be fucked at the end of the trip.

However ... I can see rental companies doing a swap at depot's around the country. Drive into the depot and swap it for a charged one and you're on your way.

[Jeff Sichoe]

I don't care there will always be a collectors license or similar. The analogy has been made to me that people still choose to own horses, as inconvenient as that may be, so there will probably always be an avenue for people to own and use ICE motorcycles.

In saying that, as soon as KTM / BMW release a big ADV bike with replaceable battery (ie you pull into energy station and swap out 50kg battery with a new one off the rack, similar to bbq bottles) and you have another 500km range (with all the extra performance an electric motor can provide) i'll be first in queue.

[SamboNZ]

For anyone who doesn't think governments will ban Petrol powered vehicles:

Canada Kills New Internal Combustion Vehicle Sales Starting In 2035 (https://www.motor1.com/news/517378/canada-bans-fuel-vehicles-2035)

[pete376403]

For anyone who doesn't think governments will ban Petrol powered vehicles:

Canada Kills New Internal Combustion Vehicle Sales Starting In 2035 (https://www.motor1.com/news/517378/canada-bans-fuel-vehicles-2035)

If a week is a long time in politics then 14 years is an aeon. A lot could happen between then now and then.

[nerrrd]

For anyone who doesn't think governments will ban Petrol powered vehicles:

Canada Kills New Internal Combustion Vehicle Sales Starting In 2035 (https://www.motor1.com/news/517378/canada-bans-fuel-vehicles-2035)

Also not a “ban on petrol powered vehicles,” just a ban on selling new ones. With quite a few exceptions for trucks and commercial vehicles.

[FJRider]

I don't care there will always be a collectors license or similar.

And the cost to get such a license would be exorbitant. And the amount time/circumstances (dated permits required .. ??) that you will actually be allowed to use them very limited.

But I'm of the opinion ... that internal combustion engines will be banned from inner city areas first.

[pritch]

And the cost to get such a license would be exorbitant. And the amount time/circumstances (dated permits required .. ??) that you will actually be allowed to use them very limited.

But I'm of the opinion ... that internal combustion engines will be banned from inner city areas first.

That may be how it works - or not. There may be social engineering to categorise recreational use of fossil fueled vehicles as anti-social.

Anyhoo, it's very unlikely that it will be a problem for me.

[FJRider]

... Anyhoo, it's very unlikely that it will be a problem for me.

Nor me ... :shifty:

[98tls]

My FIRST thoughts on the subject exactly ... Judith Collins for PM ... ???????????

COULD it happen ... ??

:wacko: you would get better odds on Muldoon making a comeback.

[BMWST?]

2030 isnt actually dfar away. I think they will find that there just wont be enough EVs to fulfill the demand .There are billions of cars to replace.Mr google says there may be 1.4 billion cars in the world.

[roogazza]

That may be how it works - or not. There may be social engineering to categorise recreational use of fossil fueled vehicles as anti-social.

Anyhoo, it's very unlikely that it will be a problem for me.

No problem for us old pensioners pritch ! they'll need a bigger police force to lock us all up !

I can see the headlines now, grumpy old fella refuses to stop on his morning fang .
They don't chase ya now ,do they ? lol. xxx

[R650R]

It may be a problem for you pensioners on your deathbeds when your grandkids are unable to promptly travel to see you off when your health suddenly declines.
Our elected dictator in her 10th term will have decided such travel is uneccessary and the smart meter will have cut power to the charger because the all black stadium needs juice for lighting.
Had couple of family emergency’s in last few years where the ability to just jump in cage and promptly move long distance at pace helped with whole process.

[Hoonicorn]

I don't really care what powers my bike or car, just as long as I can enjoy the same freedom to travel as I do now.

It's not the petrol vehicle ban that concerns me, it's that they want to put trackers in vehicles and tax by Kilometres travelled. These trackers could also be used to fine people for exceeding speed limits
:whistle:

[rastuscat]

I don't really care what powers my bike or car, just as long as I can enjoy the same freedom to travel as I do now.

It's not the petrol vehicle ban that concerns me, it's that they want to put trackers in vehicles and tax by Kilometres travelled. These trackers could also be used to fine people for exceeding speed limits
:whistle:

Hmm, owner liability. Challenging.

[onearmedbandit]

I don't really care what powers my bike or car, just as long as I can enjoy the same freedom to travel as I do now.

It's not the petrol vehicle ban that concerns me, it's that they want to put trackers in vehicles and tax by Kilometres travelled. These trackers could also be used to fine people for exceeding speed limits
:whistle:

It's closer than you think. Yes this only applies to new vehicles, and can be over ridden. But for how long. TBH, it surprises me it's taken this long to get here. It struck me as odd as a child in the 80's that we had a speed limit of 100kmh on the open road, yet sold both cars and tyres rated at well above these speeds. I knew better than to say anything, I wanted speed.

https://www.confused.com/on-the-road/safety/speed-limiters-mandatory-on-new-cars

[R650R]

I don't really care what powers my bike or car, just as long as I can enjoy the same freedom to travel as I do now.

It's not the petrol vehicle ban that concerns me, it's that they want to put trackers in vehicles and tax by Kilometres travelled. These trackers could also be used to fine people for exceeding speed limits
:whistle:

You’ve already unwittingly PAID for and installed your own tracking device. It’s called your smartphone... soon you will HAVE to take it everywhere due to covid/vax tracker/health-passport Mark of the beast and all that you shall not buy or sell with out it or wheelievin fourth gear....

Twenty years ago I laughed at an ex special forces co worker who refused to own a cellphone, said he wasn’t dumb enough to pay to carry a tracking device, back when the only conspiracy theory was the JFK and Diana sagas...

One more generation of social engineering in the schools and being without a phone at all times will be akin to wearing a hoodie into a bank or having a swastika tattoo....

You won’t have enough charge to speed anyway, smart meters will ration electricity to restrict movement and protests all in name of saving the planet.

[Berries]

When Tiwai shuts where are you going to get all the aluminum from for your helmet?

[pritch]

A year or two back there was a concerned magazine article that one or two models of a major manufacturer (Kawasaki IIRC?) were fitted with a "black box" that recorded what the bike was doing. This, of course, would be of interest to police and insurers in the event of an accident. You may think that the presence of such a device may have been of interest to owners, apparently the manufacturer didn't think so.

[F5 Dave]

You’ve already unwittingly PAID for and installed your own tracking device. It’s called your smartphone... soon you will HAVE to take it everywhere due to covid/vax tracker/health-passport Mark of the beast and all that you shall not buy or sell with out it or wheelievin fourth gear....

Twenty years ago I laughed at an ex special forces co worker who refused to own a cellphone, said he wasn’t dumb enough to pay to carry a tracking device, back when the only conspiracy theory was the JFK and Diana sagas...

One more generation of social engineering in the schools and being without a phone at all times will be akin to wearing a hoodie into a bank or having a swastika tattoo....

You won’t have enough charge to speed anyway, smart meters will ration electricity to restrict movement and protests all in name of saving the planet.

I was a little worried that God was watching me spank off. I hope he is.

[R650R]

When Tiwai shuts where are you going to get all the aluminum from for your helmet?

Get with the times, carbon fibre neutralises radio waves 😂

Tiwai is small tinpot sic on global market. NZ overthinks our importance in the worldwide market of our raw materials be it metal, timber, milk, meat or coal

[R650R]

A year or two back there was a concerned magazine article that one or two models of a major manufacturer (Kawasaki IIRC?) were fitted with a "black box" that recorded what the bike was doing. This, of course, would be of interest to police and insurers in the event of an accident. You may think that the presence of such a device may have been of interest to owners, apparently the manufacturer didn't think so.

Every car sold in USA since 2005 has GM ONStar which is a permenant remote Celllink to ECU.

Some conspiracy theorist contend that this type of device used to assasinate people like Michael Hastings, just command full throttle and brakes to ice.....
Tiger woods recent unexplained crash was thought to be a reminder to stick to elite script...

Ten years ago I googled the product brochure of a device my employer fitted to truck after he undersold itÂ’s capabilities and I suspected otherwise....
The size of a 20pack of ciggies it transmitted live location and speed data when in cell coverage.
If you had a crash or other defined event it stored last 20mins .
The funniest thing was him telling another driver to slow down when he saw the real numbers of what it took to comply with “you must get that truck back by 4pm for night shift”

But it doesnÂ’t have to be that fancy anyway. Any device with wifi or Bluetooth mesh connects with other devices leaving a data trail of time and location. Kinda like the covid app but without your permission. ItÂ’s only matter of time before that data becomes easy or legal for cops to access at will.
How long before WOF inspector scrolls dash of your ktm 790 and records your Mac/wifi address

[george formby]

AFAIK most new leccy vehicles can be updated via the internets. Same as everything else, phone, computer, fridge.. (Fridge:shifty:?)

And they can be hacked, as proven by the Israelis in a car park somewhere.

I definitely need a container to store zombie escape vehicles with petrol and carbs.

[Hawk]

AFAIK most new leccy vehicles can be updated via the internets. Same as everything else, phone, computer, fridge.. (Fridge:shifty:?)

And they can be hacked, as proven by the Israelis in a car park somewhere.

I definitely need a container to store zombie escape vehicles with petrol and carbs.

Those Hackers better keep away from my beer in the fridge, or there's going to trouble.

[pete376403]

It may be a problem for you pensioners on your deathbeds when your grandkids are unable to promptly travel to see you off when your health suddenly declines.

Had couple of family emergency’s in last few years where the ability to just jump in cage and promptly move long distance at pace helped with whole process.

If I am dying the presence (or not) of family wont make any difference to the outcome.

[F5 Dave]

Besides can you imagine how immersive Zoom will be by then?

[pritch]

This threar has become depressing. It needs cheering up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wDDHh5606o

[F5 Dave]

Very cool. I have a clip of a YZR500 being warmed up on my phone . Magic. About 3 years ago and 5 min drive from home. :love:

[SamboNZ]

UPDATE:

The govt have released their Emissions Reduction Plan discussion document (https://environment.govt.nz/assets/publications/Emissions-reduction-plan-discussion-document.pdf).

They've obfuscated the language quite a lot, but the intent to ban the import of ICE vehicles by 2030 is still there.

See the section titled 'Introduce measures to avoid New Zealand becoming a dumping ground for high-emitting vehicles' on P70.

[R650R]

UPDATE:

The govt have released their Emissions Reduction Plan discussion document (https://environment.govt.nz/assets/publications/Emissions-reduction-plan-discussion-document.pdf).

They've obfuscated the language quite a lot, but the intent to ban the import of ICE vehicles by 2030 is still there.

See the section titled 'Introduce measures to avoid New Zealand becoming a dumping ground for high-emitting vehicles' on P70.

Some interesting reading in there... the carbon pricing (pay to pollute lol) works out at 15 to 25cents a litre based on 150-250$ PER ton co2 for cars. Although they mention ets price would have to be $600 ton to effect people into voluntarily moving away from petrol.

ThereÂ’s a whole lot of talk in there about you WILL make 20% less journeys and you will prefer to bike walk or public transport. Only way I can see them doing this is via massive taxes or perhaps a certain amount of journey vouchers per week which of course the covid26 tracker app will take care of....

ThereÂ’s some bullshit about equality in there, apparently many ???? donÂ’t have access to cars or afford to use them so itÂ’s not right that the rest of us have personal cars. Although we are a low wage economy I would say very few people have no access to car in NZ. Apparently this equality/equity equation is fixed by making it more expensive to own car????

Then thereÂ’s some hippy mantra about moving to a circular economy vs extraction of raw materials with cheap labour. Ending single use items and making stuff that lasts forever but that you then hand me down to someone else.
They seem to have overlooked that our cheap labour produced timber and milk powder exports pay for stuff we need from overseas that we canÂ’t make ourselves....

With the engineered rising price schedule (2% plus inflation) every year of carbon credits itÂ’s clear what the new currency will be. You will buy carbs as soon as you earn money then use them to pay for everything. Well we canÂ’t call them communist anymore when there number one tool to save world is a financial commodity operating on a pyramid/ponzi basis....

[pete376403]

there number one tool to save world is a financial commodity operating on a pyramid/ponzi basis....

You dont think thats exactly how the world financials operate already?