Horse face rules.

[rustys]

Sorry not a Rant about bikes, but i just have to vent my thoughts about this stupid Communistic :ar15::ar15: Horsefaced PM ideas, rules and dictatorship of control of people, Covid and Mask waring, has got me boiling, its bad enough being locked down doing fucken nothing for three weeks, but i have just had a guts full of this shit. :mad::mad::mad:

I take the influenza jab yearly, but where the shit has influenza disapperd to , or do we have a new name for it, think were are all being brainwashed.

First day out in Level 3 Lockdown 2 (No where near Dorkland) I hate waring masks full stop and never been forced to in 73 years.

Ok, she says this is now an Airborne virus, ok the rules are now ware a mask, (so now being a good boy i go along with this silly game), today first day out of jail, i ware my mask in the Post Shop, sweet, rip it off when iam outside, (oh! fuck might catch the bug) but (thats ok) put my full face helmet on and go to the Gas station, fill the bike up, walk in to pay with full face helmet on and shield down, Fuck me get the third degree told me to get out, i said whats wrong with this i have my face sheild down, (its not a mask he says) so now i have to go back out side take my helmet off and put my fucken stupid piece of rag bag back on unbelievable.:brick::brick::brick:
Air borne virius for fucks sake, :brick::brick: rules are, i dont have to ware a mask outside, dont have to ware a mask at a pool, i can go into a bar dont have to ware a mask, i can go home and not ware a mask, sleep with out a mask walk the streets without a mask, i can understand if people were dropping dead like flies all around me but !!!!!:angry2::angry2::angry2:

I have just seen today that the Fizzer jab has just been approved by the FDA on the 23/8/2021. From what i hear about this crap a hell of a lot of people have had nasty side effects here in NZ, so will be steering clear of it for a while yet, to many unawnserd questions and contridictions about the whole thing if you ask me.

Finally, if this fucken communistic Labour Goverment thats fuckin up NZ, lets some ashole with Covid get into this country, iam going to shoot someone.

[Laava]

You and 240 should get together and form a party to govern. You'd both be ideal!

[F5 Dave]

Jeezus learn how to pay at the pump.

I think you will find covid has worse side effects. Considerably worse.

Politics dont come into virus propagation. They are a brainless organism that replicates like buggery.

The question is; are we smarter than it, or the other way around?

[george formby]

I think you will find covid has worse side effects. Considerably worse.

Politics dont come into virus propagation. They are a brainless organism that replicates like buggery.

The question is; are we smarter than it, or the other way around?

And therein lies the rub.

Oh, just an aside. I don't believe buggery is effective for replicating.

[jim.cox]

Grammar: 4/10
Spelling: 3/10
Logic: 2/10

Overall Rant: 3/10

Also: Points off for threatening violence

Rating == Selfish Grumpy Old Git

Could do better...

[rustys]

Grammar: 4/10
Spelling: 3/10
Logic: 2/10

Overall Rant: 3/10

Also: Points off for threatening violence

Rating == Selfish Grumpy Old Git

Could do better...

Yeh yeh I know !!!!!!;)

[rustys]

You and 240 should get together and form a party to govern. You'd both be ideal!

Yep the justice system would be next...

[HenryDorsetCase]

Sorry not a Rant about bikes, but i just have to vent my thoughts about this stupid Communistic :ar15::ar15: Horsefaced PM ideas, rules and dictatorship of control of people, Covid and Mask waring, has got me boiling, its bad enough being locked down doing fucken nothing for three weeks, but i have just had a guts full of this shit. :mad::mad::mad:

I take the influenza jab yearly, but where the shit has influenza disapperd to , or do we have a new name for it, think were are all being brainwashed.

First day out in Level 3 Lockdown 2 (No where near Dorkland) I hate waring masks full stop and never been forced to in 73 years.

Ok, she says this is now an Airborne virus, ok the rules are now ware a mask, (so now being a good boy i go along with this silly game), today first day out of jail, i ware my mask in the Post Shop, sweet, rip it off when iam outside, (oh! fuck might catch the bug) but (thats ok) put my full face helmet on and go to the Gas station, fill the bike up, walk in to pay with full face helmet on and shield down, Fuck me get the third degree told me to get out, i said whats wrong with this i have my face sheild down, (its not a mask he says) so now i have to go back out side take my helmet off and put my fucken stupid piece of rag bag back on unbelievable.:brick::brick::brick:
Air borne virius for fucks sake, :brick::brick: rules are, i dont have to ware a mask outside, dont have to ware a mask at a pool, i can go into a bar dont have to ware a mask, i can go home and not ware a mask, sleep with out a mask walk the streets without a mask, i can understand if people were dropping dead like flies all around me but !!!!!:angry2::angry2::angry2:

I have just seen today that the Fizzer jab has just been approved by the FDA on the 23/8/2021. From what i hear about this crap a hell of a lot of people have had nasty side effects here in NZ, so will be steering clear of it for a while yet, to many unawnserd questions and contridictions about the whole thing if you ask me.

Finally, if this fucken communistic Labour Goverment thats fuckin up NZ, lets some ashole with Covid get into this country, iam going to shoot someone.

I'm not going to engage you because you're a fucking idiot, and at my age I should have learned not to. I have reported this post to the Police hotline because clearly you are off your meds and have threatened to cause harm with a firearm. You might expect a visit presently when they take away your firearms and commence a prosecution. Perhaps detention under the Mental Health Act might even be warranted.

one other thing: you're wrong on every count, and its pretty clear you're part of the problem, not the solution. Go back to wanking off listening to Mike Hosking, and contemplate this: you're the rabble they're trying to rouse. The rest of us are OK.

[jim.cox]

one other thing: you're wrong on every count, and its pretty clear you're part of the problem, not the solution.

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to HenryDorsetCase again."

Well said, Sir!

[rustys]

I'm not going to engage you because you're a fucking idiot, and at my age I should have learned not to. I have reported this post to the Police hotline because clearly you are off your meds and have threatened to cause harm with a firearm. You might expect a visit presently when they take away your firearms and commence a prosecution. Perhaps detention under the Mental Health Act might even be warranted.

one other thing: you're wrong on every count, and its pretty clear you're part of the problem, not the solution. Go back to wanking off listening to Mike Hosking, and contemplate this: you're the rabble they're trying to rouse. The rest of us are OK.

Nice one.. dont take meds, dont have a fire arm, dont listen to Mike Hoskings, and iam glad your ok. Nice to be out in the fresh air though, but I better ware my mask.

[Oakie]

I take the influenza jab yearly, but where the shit has influenza disapperd to , or do we have a new name for it, think were are all being brainwashed.

It's been a funny side effect. Because of all the infection precautions we're taking over Covid and closing the borders, dear old 'ordinary influenza' hasn't had a chance to do anything this season. Really just shows how much more transmissable Covid is.

[jellywrestler]

I wear a bra for a mask, the left cup as I don't want to look like a right tit simply. Been waiting for me to challenge me and say it's not a mask. It's certainly better than disposables, way better, only has three tie points, two together around the back of the neck and the other stuffed down my shirt, works well.

The person at the gas station is on the front line, they might be genuinely scared of being there, or been told by their company what does conform and what doesn't. Let us know what the other brand petrol station does nect time as no doubt you will never be shopping there again

[F5 Dave]

And therein lies the rub.

Oh, just an aside. I don't believe buggery is effective for replicating.
Ahh, dammit! Now's you tell me.

First couple of kids must have been from dribble round.

[pritch]

put my full face helmet on and go to the Gas station, fill the bike up, walk in to pay with full face helmet on and shield down, Fuck me get the third degree told me to get out, i said whats wrong with this i have my face sheild down, (its not a mask he says) so now i have to go back out side take my helmet off and put my fucken stupid piece of rag bag back on unbelievable.:brick::brick::brick:

Life can be as hard or as difficult as you make it. I paid at the pump.


I have just seen today that the Fizzer jab has just been approved by the FDA on the 23/8/2021. From what i hear about this crap a hell of a lot of people have had nasty side effects here in NZ, so will be steering clear of it for a while yet, to many unawnserd questions and contridictions about the whole thing if you ask me.


That jab is now fully approved and millions have already had it with no problems. Now that it's approved the entire US military will be getting it. I've had both jabs, no side effects. Most people I know have had them, a few mentioned a sore arm, one had a reaction a bit worse than that, but nothing serious.

There are really no unanswered intelligent questions and zero contradictions. I've posted this before but it's appropriate here.

[MD]

Whoa someone got out of the wrong side of the bed. Some very 'unwise' words there. For the record no one is making you ware a mask. However, wearing a mask is a small inconvenience for the incredible freedom we had and will soon have again.

I can't stand this Labour government myself, just a shame there is no better alternative on the shelf to pick from. But, they have done a top class job of keeping NZ covid free and we have enjoyed 18 months of utter blissful enjoyment and freedoms that no other country has had these 18 months. I'm looking forward to Scott Morrison eating his 'NZ needs to get out of the cave' words about us trying to eradicate it.. for the second time. We are days away from achieving the so called unachievable. Back to full freedom with the added bonus of knowing we won't get sick or kill off the elderly by spreading covid. Another bonus, no flu two years in a row.

The UK has had over 12 months of constant lockdown- now that would be enough to want to vent some anger. NSW is back into lockdown five I think. my Brother lives there and says it's miserable and scary. Rather be in NZ than anywhere in the world.

The real piss-off would be if 4,999,999 of us made the effort to obey some simple hygiene rules for a few weeks, only to have it all ruined by one selfish git who thinks he's so special he doesn't have to give a damn about anyone else.

Oh yeah as said learn how to use the pay at the pump. Never have to remove my helmet again when filling the bike, sweet.

[rustys]

I wear a bra for a mask, the left cup as I don't want to look like a right tit simply. Been waiting for me to challenge me and say it's not a mask. It's certainly better than disposables, way better, only has three tie points, two together around the back of the neck and the other stuffed down my shirt, works well.

The person at the gas station is on the front line, they might be genuinely scared of being there, or been told by their company what does conform and what doesn't. Let us know what the other brand petrol station does nect time as no doubt you will never be shopping there again

Spyda, I liked the guy at Porirua Countdown the other day, went in shopping with a empty steinlager box on his head, no problem, no questions asked.

[rustys]

Whoa someone got out of the wrong side of the bed. Some very 'unwise' words there. For the record no one is making you ware a mask. However, wearing a mask is a small inconvenience for the incredible freedom we had and will soon have again.

I can't stand this Labour government myself, just a shame there is no better alternative on the shelf to pick from. But, they have done a top class job of keeping NZ covid free and we have enjoyed 18 months of utter blissful enjoyment and freedoms that no other country has had these 18 months. I'm looking forward to Scott Morrison eating his 'NZ needs to get out of the cave' words about us trying to eradicate it.. for the second time. We are days away from achieving the so called unachievable. Back to full freedom with the added bonus of knowing we won't get sick or kill off the elderly by spreading covid. Another bonus, no flu two years in a row.

The UK has had over 12 months of constant lockdown- now that would be enough to want to vent some anger. NSW is back into lockdown five I think. my Brother lives there and says it's miserable and scary. Rather be in NZ than anywhere in the world.

The real piss-off would be if 4,999,999 of us made the effort to obey some simple hygiene rules for a few weeks, only to have it all ruined by one selfish git who thinks he's so special he doesn't have to give a damn about anyone else.

Oh yeah as said learn how to use the pay at the pump. Never have to remove my helmet again when filling the bike, sweet.

Yep I feel better today. Agree our country's looking good to be Covid free, hopefully they can keep the boarders shut tight, feel a bit sorry about kiwi s stuck overseas though but it is what it is.
This blows me away and i have been watching a huge amount of sport World speedway, BSB, SBK and moto gp, big crowds no masks everyone just getting on with it.
Iam finding it's very hard to believe anything or anyone these days, the world is sure a different place now.

[F5 Dave]

Don't ask your dentist, optometrist questions. He's unlikely to be qualified to answer. Or the other way around.

Professionals of their field know more about their shit than politicians (who in some countries might actually take notice of what they say, other countries not so much), natural therapy salesmen, social influencers or the guy at the gas station who's brothers mate met a guy that blah blah.

And especially don't take medical advice from some dick on the Internet, me included, or maybe even especially.

[jellywrestler]

just been to bunnings, what a clusterfuck. they have buckets with concrete in them holding bits of wood with covid tracing pages stapled to them. they're flapping around in the wind and about 1200mm from the ground. Every person is struggling to scan these even if it's not windy, the app has trouble picking up the code on such an angle.
My point is if a major player, who sells wood duct tape and all sorts of stuff that would enable them to do a much better job of these can't do it, we are all fucked. Inside is just mayhem too.

[R650R]

just been to bunnings, what a clusterfuck. they have buckets with concrete in them holding bits of wood with covid tracing pages stapled to them. they're flapping around in the wind and about 1200mm from the ground. Every person is struggling to scan these even if it's not windy, the app has trouble picking up the code on such an angle.
My point is if a major player, who sells wood duct tape and all sorts of stuff that would enable them to do a much better job of these can't do it, we are all fucked. Inside is just mayhem too.

Well casual employee Dave from isle 5 wanted to get back to chatting to Shirley over in paint section for Saturday’s unsocial distancing session...
I printed my own strip of QR codes and scan in vehicle before getting out.
But hey they’ve met the govt request....
I’ve hated QR codes with a passion before they were called QR codes, scanning them in warehouses causes endless delays to freight moving. Funny thing is sometimes the worst printed faded ones scanned better than new.
Btw sometimes a bit of angle actually seems to help... Lot to do with the inbuilt error correction algorithms I reckon oh and in full sunlight forget it...,, although I think that tech was ir LED based instead of photo recog....

This is one of main reasons I’ve objected to all this from the start as I foresaw these types of issues.
Just wait til NZ Driver Licence app comes in and you have to scan the pump or charging port to authorise its operation.

[rustys]

Well casual employee Dave from isle 5 wanted to get back to chatting to Shirley over in paint section for Saturday’s unsocial distancing session...
I printed my own strip of QR codes and scan in vehicle before getting out.
But hey they’ve met the govt request....
I’ve hated QR codes with a passion before they were called QR codes, scanning them in warehouses causes endless delays to freight moving. Funny thing is sometimes the worst printed faded ones scanned better than new.
Btw sometimes a bit of angle actually seems to help... Lot to do with the inbuilt error correction algorithms I reckon oh and in full sunlight forget it...,, although I think that tech was ir LED based instead of photo recog....

This is one of main reasons I’ve objected to all this from the start as I foresaw these types of issues.
Just wait til NZ Driver Licence app comes in and you have to scan the pump or charging port to authorise its operation.

Iam pretty sure now that the law is now a requirement from the Govt and has been made Mandatory that all business, workplaces must have a form of Covid Tracing, either QR codes or sign in forms, BUT it is not Mandatory, and that you can not force people to do this, under the privacy rules, is my understanding of it all.
Problem with all this carry on the rules are inconsistant and you can't keep up with it.

[R650R]

Problem with all this carry on the rules are inconsistant and you can't keep up with it.

Exactly and add to that the media which publishes infographics withwrong info. Eg they use the covid logos and state wear a mask if you go outside, but that is not the law. Even the pm says please wear a mask or we encourage you to wear a mask outside but never says you “must”.
I’m not disputing the places where you must wear one as per the public health orders.

But hey that’s the govt for you no logic involved in any processes.

[pete376403]

Government just cannot win with some people - make mask wearing compulsory and the sheeple start bleating about communist dictatorships. Make it optional (relying on the common sense of reasonable people) and the same sheeple bleat about inconsistent policies.

[Laava]

Imagine how broken arsed some of these whingers on here would be if they lived in NSW?
Collins level whinging! I am not even sure if there is a higher level!

[pritch]

My point is if a major player, who sells wood duct tape and all sorts of stuff that would enable them to do a much better job of these can't do it, we are all fucked. Inside is just mayhem too.

There is a recommended height so that anybody can use the QR code, including people in wheel chairs. As for the wood and duct tape, who knows?

You've reminded me, I once heard a Bunnings joke.

[pritch]

But hey that’s the govt for you no logic involved in any processes.

I appreciate that it's impossible for this government to ever satisfy you. On the other hand, you could open your eyes, look around, and make a list of the governments that have handled COVID better than ours. Shouldn't take long?

To assist, may I remind you of this table? It shows deaths per million of population as at a coupla weeks ago.

UK 1964.1
US 1893.8
NZ 5.1

[BMWST?]

the only thing of interest here is the reaction of the petrol station attendant.When the mask wearing first started my first thought was "I wonder after all this is petrol stations still require riders to remove helmets. I would imagine there may still be people who will wear masks .Will they need to remove them to be served?

[F5 Dave]

Load the app or go to Z, Mobil with card pumps. Never need to care about queuing up again.

[pritch]

Some riders wear those Buffs or similar under a helmet and they count as masks. I wear an Oxford one as my mask for shopping. Can't get a haircut with that though, so I'm actually going to have to buy some masks.

[BMWST?]

Load the app or go to Z, Mobil with card pumps. Never need to care about queuing up again.
Waitomo.I vow to never set foot in a Z or BP again

[Berries]

Waitomo.I vow to never set foot in a Z or BP again
I'm in that club. Since NPD and a couple of others put self service stations in I don't have to take my helmet off (Z), get off the bike to fill up (BP) or wait for some cock to get their trim soy latte ('kin everywhere).

But back to the OP. Are they saying you actually have to have a mask? I thought the legislation was face covering hence some people get away with the perspex face screen. If that is allowed I cannot see why a helmet with the visor down isn't.

[jellywrestler]

Spyda, I liked the guy at Porirua Countdown the other day, went in shopping with a empty steinlager box on his head, no problem, no questions asked.

all entertaining except steinlager is literally Bullimia in a bottle.

[F5 Dave]

Waitomo.I vow to never set foot in a Z or BP again

A fair call but bit off my radar. Have used when on tour, or Petone east.

[R650R]

I appreciate that it's impossible for this government to ever satisfy you. On the other hand, you could open your eyes, look around, and make a list of the governments that have handled COVID better than ours. Shouldn't take long?

To assist, may I remind you of this table? It shows deaths per million of population as at a coupla weeks ago.

UK 1964.1
US 1893.8
NZ 5.1

But if you correct that data for population size it’s not so bad
UK would be 160 and USA 32 with UK having 12 times our population and USA being 60 times our population.
Then if you factor in higher more denser population and far greater use public transport there always going to have larger numbers than us.
UK has large immigrant population, people live in cold houses with poor access to sunlight and fresh air. And Everyone goes to local pub after work to watch footy and have a pint.

[Berries]

UK has large immigrant population, people live in cold houses with poor access to sunlight and fresh air. And Everyone goes to local pub after work to watch footy and have a pint.
Hmmm, sounds way different to NZ.

[Dadpole]

But if you correct that data for population size it’s not so bad
UK would be 160 and USA 32 with UK having 12 times our population and USA being 60 times our population.
Then if you factor in higher more denser population and far greater use public transport there always going to have larger numbers than us.
UK has large immigrant population, people live in cold houses with poor access to sunlight and fresh air. And Everyone goes to local pub after work to watch footy and have a pint.

So what you are saying is, if NZ was identical to the UK in every way and followed identical policies, then the outcome would be identical? :innocent:

[R650R]

So what you are saying is, if NZ was identical to the UK in every way and followed identical policies, then the outcome would be identical? :innocent:

No just that in a larger denser population (with more movements of people)there is going to be a different matrix of infection channels and outcomes.

[F5 Dave]

But if you correct that data for population size it’s not so bad
UK would be 160 and USA 32 with UK having 12 times our population and USA being 60 times our population.
Then if you factor in higher more denser population and far greater use public transport there always going to have larger numbers than us.
UK has large immigrant population, people live in cold houses with poor access to sunlight and fresh air. And Everyone goes to local pub after work to watch footy and have a pint.
Is that truck driver maths?

Why dont you have another think about it? The correction is already applied as Deaths per Million. Jesus.

[Dadpole]

No just that in a larger denser population (with more movements of people)there is going to be a different matrix of infection channels and outcomes.

i think you missed something there....

[pritch]

But if you correct that data for population size it’s not so bad
UK would be 160 and USA 32 with UK having 12 times our population and USA being 60 times our population.
Then if you factor in higher more denser population and far greater use public transport there always going to have larger numbers than us.
UK has large immigrant population, people live in cold houses with poor access to sunlight and fresh air. And Everyone goes to local pub after work to watch footy and have a pint.

Sorry you lost me with "corrected for population size" those figures are per million. If we had a similar clusterfuck to Britain we would have had over 10,000 deaths.

The USA is still in dire straits because Trump politicised the pandemic, after intially denying it even existed then telling his fuckwit followers that it would disapear "like a miracle". Many still believe it's a hoax.

Boris Johnson has fucked up at every stage of the pandemic until the vaccine roll out. Apparently they've got that right. They've also had problems with corrupt contracts being give to mates who failed to provide the goods.

[R650R]

Sorry you lost me with "corrected for population size" those figures are per million. If we had a similar clusterfuck to Britain we would have had over 10,000 deaths.

The USA is still in dire straits because Trump politicised the pandemic, after intially denying it even existed then telling his fuckwit followers that it would disapear "like a miracle". Many still believe it's a hoax.

Boris Johnson has fucked up at every stage of the pandemic until the vaccine roll out. Apparently they've got that right. They've also had problems with corrupt contracts being give to mates who failed to provide the goods.


You could be right, some stats follow... just on a side note does anyone have accurate data on infection rate by political part allegiance?????

Anyway I looked up South Carolina as they have similar population to NZ....

784k cases.... 11k dead.... the covid fatals being a rate of 116 per 100,000 population

But what’s their other health stats????

A staggering 34% (of whole population) are OBESE!!!
13% diabetic
22% children live in poverty so assume the parents do too

Cancer deaths are normally 201 per 100,000
Cardio/heart 278 per 100,000
Workplace deaths 7 per 100,000
Guns 20 per 100,000
Homicides 11 per 100,000
640 cases chlamidia per 100,000 (not normally fatal but uncomfortable I would guess)

Given that covid has been going about 18 months thayscabout 20 people a day dead in North Carolina which I accept is noticeably worse than nz results.

[F5 Dave]

Next you will tell us the holocaust was a misunderstanding over shower temperature and shampoo choice. You really are totally full of shit.

[husaberg]

No just that in a larger denser population (with more movements of people)there is going to be a different matrix of infection channels and outcomes.

Your post doesnt seem to stack up with real data
RANK 1-MONTH CASES PER 100,000 3-MONTH CASE FATALITY RATE
Hong Kong 71 1
Taiwan 57.2 2
Egypt 58 3
New Zealand 67.1 6
Nigeria 58.6 8
Poland 63.9 13
Singapore 73.3 43
Romania 71.3 51
Czech Republic 71.9 51
Australia 64.9 54
Pakistan 54.7 59
Saudi Arabia 70.9 69
India 56.3 80
South Korea 69.4 100
Canada 70.3 132
Chile 66.3 134
Peru 58.2 149
Germany 73.4 161
Bangladesh 54.5 187
Sweden 70.8 223
Austria 74.5 248
Vietnam 45.9 278
Norway 80.1 278
Philippines 44.1 293
Italy 71.7 293
Indonesia 44.6 308
Colombia 67.8 328
Finland 75 363
Japan 63.6 374
Mexico 57.6 389

[pritch]

just on a side note does anyone have accurate data on infection rate by political part allegiance?????


I don't have accurate data but nobody would seriously question that it's currently Republicans who are most affected in the US. It's predominantly they who still regard COVID as a hoax, who won't take the vaccine, and who consider wearing masks to be tyranny. They are actively encouraged in this by Republican governors in some states. Those governors are killing their own voters.

Darwin rulez.

[Hoonicorn]

To avoid catching an airborne virus, we need to wear masks. To avoid getting seriously ill if we do catch the virus, we need to get vaccinated. It's common sense. Well, not too common. People are A. stubborn and don't like being TOLD to do something, even if it helps them, and B. Scared of vaccinations because of what naturalists and spiritualists spread on the internet.

You can argue about points A and B all you like, but suffering lockdowns is the price WE pay because government protocols aren't up to scratch when it comes to virus border control. We all celebrate how effective the government is, but our situation is eerily similar to Australia's. A lot of the flaws in their Covid management are also flaws in ours. PM Jacinda may say that everything was done in compliance to protocols, but no one is challenging her governments lack of updating those protocols in accordance with new information - such as COVID IS FUCKEN AIRBORNE, not just delta, the difference between Delta and the original strain is that delta in the air is better adapted to STICK in your cells and reproduce, IE: infect you. Survival of the fittest and all that.

This parody video highlights everything wrong with how our Government is handling Covid and why Aucklanders are paying the price for government incompetence.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_0zFEtPbiA

[Dadpole]

Hoonicorn
new information - such as COVID IS FUCKEN AIRBORNE, not just delta

:corn: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[OddDuck]

Well... all fair points. But maybe it's time for a question:

Where would we all be if Collins and Brownlee had been in charge? Y'know, from day one of this situation?

That's kind of what it boils down to. Unfortunately we as voters have a limited set of choices. Vote for one, or vote for the other, or chance it on a minority party (thanks MMP!). Or if you've got some super rich mates or some mega dollars of your own, try your own campaign al la Gareth Shoot The Kitty Morgan... anyway, it's an imperfect world, work with what you've got, not with what you'd hoped for.

[pritch]

There's a lot of truth in Hoonicorn's clip. Some in that series may be loose with the facts but that one is largely accurate, right down to the final throw away line about jerking on desks. You'd need to be up with a successon of Aust government sexual scandels to know about that though, but it happened.

Most Australian states have been attempting to do it right. Government ministers gave the Victorian premier grief when he locked Melbourne down, but he is in their opposition party. They praised the NSW premier who didn't lock down, 'cause the economy, and she's in their party. As someone in the US poined out the other day though, dead people don't buy pizzas.

So when Delta arrived the NSW premier tried to repeat her earlier "success" by doing now't. Then when forced to act, by doing the minimum. We can all see how that's working out. Now she's saying we have to live with COVID, which is basically just giving up. Gladys is the epitome of useless.

[Viking01]

To avoid catching an airborne virus, we need to wear masks. ....

... new information - such as COVID IS FUCKEN AIRBORNE, not just delta, the difference between Delta and the original strain is that delta in the air is better adapted to STICK in your cells and reproduce, IE: infect you. Survival of the fittest and all that.



From what I've read since early 2020, medical authorities have always been conscious that Covid-19 could be spread via either hard surfaces or via aerosol. Though earlier papers did not appear to indicate which "route" was deemed the more dangerous (e.g. hand contact with contaminated surfaces with transmission to nose and mouth - vs - inhalation with transmission down to the lungs. Hence the advice to both (i)wash hands and (ii) mask up.

It's only more recently that I've seen articles mentioning papers indicating a greater infection risk via inhalation of aerosol :

https://sputniknews.com/20210817/hamster-study-shows-airborne-coronavirus-deadlier-than-surface-contamination-us-health-dept-says-1083641326.html

This difference has probably been accentuated by the arrival of delta strain, with enhanced ease of cell entry (and quicker build-up of viral load). Quite apart from infection in the lungs being more difficult to treat and clear.

[Edit]
Early documents from 2020

Virus Persistence
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-study/coronavirus-can-persist-in-air-for-hours-and-on-surfaces-for-days-study-idUSKBN2143QP
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/coronavirus-how-long-can-it-last-on-surfaces/BTWNSDZKQ5LJMJ7GULC25WKY6E/

Droplet vs Aerosol Modelling
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2763852

[george formby]

I'm surprised to read a discussion on infection vectors.

Like momma said, coughs and sneezes spread diseases.

Outside of the host (us) a virus will survive if it has moisture and the temperature is neither too high or low. Same applies to PH of the moisture. To low a temp may only make the virus drowsy. The time frame of survival or infectiousness depends on the virus but they cannot survive and multiply significantly without a host.

The flu virus was found to be still alive and therefore transmissible on a blob of mucus wiped onto the rubber handrail of an escalator in New York central station during winter, temp was 7c, for 90 minutes, the mouth piece of a public phone for slightly less time.

The symptoms caused by viruses and bacterial infections have evolved to aid transmission.

We can contract viruses through any moist membrane, eyes, nose, mouth, knob or wound. If you're in company, discreetly see how often the people you are with touch their face. This is a major transmission vector and virtually impossible to avoid. If you don't wash your hands thoroughly, you put yourself at risk.

Alcohol based hand sanitisers are a bit misleading. They're ok as a quick stop gap but once the alcohol has gone, which takes seconds, then the residue which is left can actually accelerate viral or bacterial growth if you have not been thorough and cleansed like a surgeon. Between the fingers, loose skin, cuts etc.

Do as momma said.

Just had an afterthought about aerosol transmission. It took the doctors ages to figure out that patients were contracting Legionaires disease while in hospital from the ventilation system.

[pritch]

Like momma said, coughs and sneezes spread diseases.


Momma is a bit out of date. Coughs and sneezes are not good but the primary source of colds and flu has been considered to be hand contact for a decade or three now. Thus coughing into your elbow. Hand contact would also be a factor in COVID. Watching the US Open this morning with very few in the packed stands wearing masks, and the victor was getting hand slapped by anyone within reach. Good luck wishes to all.

[husaberg]

I'm surprised to read a discussion on infection vectors.

Like momma said, coughs and sneezes spread diseases.

.

TB aerosol droplets can remain suspended in the air for up to 2 hours.
Aerosol is the primary means to which TB is spread
but it can be spread from surfaces provided it can be kept moist and out of sun etc etc.

Bacteria are far larger than Virus and can replicate without a host,but if Bacteria can remain airborne for over 2 hours, just how long can a microscopic virus stay airborne?
Virus can also piggy back on Bateria
https://www.sciencelearn.org.nz/videos/871-what-is-a-bacteriophage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YI3tsmFsrOg

covid 19

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0TmBsHaGmI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtN-goy9VOY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-NxodiGPCU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxCo5PcVAOc

[husaberg]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT0ay9u1gg4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMfStd3v330

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JfJhJWxB9Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7foKG80xxM

[Paul in NZ]

I cant help but wonder wtf you guys would do if something really serious happened right now that you had to deal with?

Recent experience - well - it changes your perspective. Just get the bloody jab and follow the rules

[F5 Dave]

Imagine where the world would be if they hadn't invented, not just one but several good vaccines.

[husaberg]

Kb most ardent anti-vaxxer
Had received all his childhood vaccinations, as had his siblings with no ill effects.
Had no children of his own.
Had vaccinated his Dog.
Liked to beg other to suck his tiny one

Go figure......

[pete376403]

Given that maori / polynesians make up the bulk of the density followers, wtf is this twat trying to do to "his own people"? https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-delta-outbreak-brian-tamaki-tells-followers-to-do-away-with-masks/E5BWP7DUJEAKLAPTPFCLWZ6ERY/?fbclid=IwAR0BS4fqRVAZXAnapNLAmONLjCdNBkkE11i0kMmD kprAmfIjsraUBbSuLjY

Needs them all back at work so they can keep up the contributions perhaps.

[F5 Dave]

He is completely delusional. The belief in Dog is just the start point.

[pritch]

I cant help but wonder wtf you guys would do if something really serious happened right now that you had to deal with?

Recent experience - well - it changes your perspective. Just get the bloody jab and follow the rules

Most people would react appropriately, some would not. KB is mostly not very serious, it's a distraction.

I'm just starting to encounter people who have decided they don't need the jab. One is an intelligent person, but I assume she has been reading the wrong shit on her computer. Another one last night on a Zoom meeting. His situation would suggest that his chances of surviving the virus would not be great. Zuckerberg could put a stop to much of the stupidity overnight, but he won't 'cause clicks is cash.

[F5 Dave]

Actually another chap was saying he was going to wait until he needed to travel. No point you see?

This was 3 days before this lockdown.

I wondered about hesitancy and its ability to make people procrastinate.

[Paul in NZ]

My older brother and partner live in the UK

They are both fully vax

His partner had a breakthrough infection

He didnt get it despite caring for her. She had mild symptoms and recovered at home which is why you should get vaccinated.

[R650R]

Most people would react appropriately, some would not. KB is mostly not very serious, it's a distraction.

I'm just starting to encounter people who have decided they don't need the jab. One is an intelligent person, but I assume she has been reading the wrong shit on her computer. Another one last night on a Zoom meeting. His situation would suggest that his chances of surviving the virus would not be great. Zuckerberg could put a stop to much of the stupidity overnight, but he won't 'cause clicks is cash.

Cindy could make another chch call.... they made a massive deal (rightly so) overvthe death of 52 people. Yet how many people are dying due to vaccine misinformation, surely thousands if we believe the published efficiacy....
But maybe they want us divided and arguing amongst ourselves?
Or it could just be your garden variety govt inconsistentcies....

[neels]

Or it could just be your garden variety govt inconsistentcies....
Or it could be that some people are easily led idiots, who would prefer to believe internet conspiracy theories than actual science.

Or some people will just argue against the 'mainstream media' line, just on principle, because they're contrary pricks.

The interesting news is that a huge proportion of people (as in almost all of them) dying from covid overseas are unvaccinated, so they're weeding themselves out of the gene pool rather effectively.

[jim.cox]

The interesting news is that a huge proportion of people (as in almost all of them) dying from covid overseas are unvaccinated, so they're weeding themselves out of the gene pool rather effectively.

Yes - although it would be more efficient if the hospitals could refuse to treat those that have refused vaccination

[Grumph]

Yes - although it would be more efficient if the hospitals could refuse to treat those that have refused vaccination

You're crossing over into Jehova's Witness territory there. Hospitals provide care up to the level the JW will accept.
I'd argue it's at least safer for the community at large to have covictims die within a controlled environment. Imagine dying in front of a crowd of unvaccinated family and friends who then spread it further. Harsh if family want to be there - but safer for everyone else.

[pritch]

You're crossing over into Jehova's Witness territory there. Hospitals provide care up to the level the JW will accept.
I'd argue it's at least safer for the community at large to have covictims die within a controlled environment. Imagine dying in front of a crowd of unvaccinated family and friends who then spread it further. Harsh if family want to be there - but safer for everyone else.

Hospitals in the US (and elsewhere?) when inundated send patients home untreated. This was happening early on but it's happening more now apparently.
There ws a report yesterday of a guy who tried forty hospitals, couldn't get admitted anywhere. He died trying.



The interesting news is that a huge proportion of people (as in almost all of them) dying from covid overseas are unvaccinated, so they're weeding themselves out of the gene pool rather effectively.

It strikes me as strange that it's Republican politicians who are against lockdowns, masks, vaccines, and any other counter measure. It's predominantly their voters that adopt this attitude and they are dying at a number approaching 2000 a day. Every day. Killing off your voters does seem an odd policy.

[Grumph]

Hospitals in the US (and elsewhere?) when inundated send patients home untreated. This was happening early on but it's happening more now apparently.
There ws a report yesterday of a guy who tried forty hospitals, couldn't get admitted anywhere. He died trying.



But Free..........



It strikes me as strange that it's Republican politicians who are against lockdowns, masks, vaccines, and any other counter measure. It's predominantly their voters that adopt this attitude and they are dying at a number approaching 2000 a day. Every day. Killing off your voters does seem an odd policy.


I pointed this out on a US based forum - with the comment that at least the US would get a better educated voter base out of it. Took a while for that jab to be fully understood.

[Kickaha]

It strikes me as strange that it's Republican politicians who are against lockdowns, masks, vaccines, and any other counter measure. It's predominantly their voters that adopt this attitude and they are dying at a number approaching 2000 a day. Every day. Killing off your voters does seem an odd policy.

You say like you think it's a bad thing

[pritch]

Yet how many people are dying due to vaccine misinformation, surely thousands if we believe the published efficiacy....


Currently nearly two thousand a day in the US of A.

If we followed the British pattern of indecision making we would have some 10,000 deaths instead of less than thirty. So far so good. When the virus does hit us seriously following the opening of our borders, Darwin's law will be enacted.

I was talking to a guy last night who has decided not to be vaccinated. For several reasons he would seem to be at high risk of serious harm from the vaccine.

He reminded me of a social media post I'd seen the day prior by a US nurse working in one of the southern states. She was talking to a guy about vaccinations. He told her that he didn't need a vaccination, his health preconditions would mean he would be admitted to hospital as a priority. She told him that was not how it worked now. Patients arriving were assessed as to the likelyhhod of their survival, and due to the dire situation, only those most likely to survive were treated. She said that she saw in his eyes that the message had gone in.

[R650R]

Currently nearly two thousand a day in the US of A.

If we followed the British pattern of indecision making we would have some 10,000 deaths instead of less than thirty. So far so good. When the virus does hit us seriously following the opening of our borders, Darwin's law will be enacted.

I was talking to a guy last night who has decided not to be vaccinated. For several reasons he would seem to be at high risk of serious harm from the vaccine.

He reminded me of a social media post I'd seen the day prior by a US nurse working in one of the southern states. She was talking to a guy about vaccinations. He told her that he didn't need a vaccination, his health preconditions would mean he would be admitted to hospital as a priority. She told him that was not how it worked now. Patients arriving were assessed as to the likelyhhod of their survival, and due to the dire situation, only those most likely to survive were treated. She said that she saw in his eyes that the message had gone in.

Yes next year we will be hit hard for several reasons. The early adopters of the vax will have waning protection as demonstrated in the Israel situation where a large portion were vaccinated 9 months ago...
Absent some decent booster shots we will be in a serious situation when the new vaccine passport allows free travel for many. The real worry is many early adopters were in health and the border/logistics....
Couple that with Afern saying we materially can’t afford as a country to be doing level 4 lockdowns much longer.
You can already see people getting complacent in the workplace sanitisation routines and social distancing... people developing false sense of security...
Buckle up and stock your pantry/bar/toolshed season three is here soon...

[Kickaha]

Yes next year we will be hit hard for several reasons. The early adopters of the vax will have waning protection as demonstrated in the Israel situation where a large portion were vaccinated 9 months ago...

You mustn't be paying too much attention to Israel, the vaccinated there are still far better off than those who haven't

[husaberg]

Yes next year we will be hit hard for several reasons. The early adopters of the vax will have waning protection as demonstrated in the Israel situation where a large portion were vaccinated 9 months ago...
Absent some decent booster shots we will be in a serious situation when the new vaccine passport allows free travel for many. The real worry is many early adopters were in health and the border/logistics....
Couple that with Afern saying we materially can’t afford as a country to be doing level 4 lockdowns much longer.
You can already see people getting complacent in the workplace sanitisation routines and social distancing... people developing false sense of security...
Buckle up and stock your pantry/bar/toolshed season three is here soon...



Hard for the likes of you that kept telling us Covid was not a threat.


As of Dec 4 2020

1,298,455 Total tests

2219 positive test results

139 (estimated based on 6.3% in previous data of 1600/80 approx) Hospitalised

25 dead

WHY is it SO HARD to find the data on how many people in NZ NEEDED hospital treatment for this.
This number has to be actively suppressed as ALL the other data comes up very EASY in searches.
The answer is so people don’t ask WHY are we scared.
Can you imagine a Pandemic being declared of the PM said oh by the way 93% of you that actually manage to contract the virus won’t need to go to hospital just stay home and rest.
Nothing else matters the maths tells the story, especially post lockdown any new cases should have spread massively as everyone suddenly enjoyed a watered down form of freedom.
And just think of all those Asymptomatic cases in the 3,800,000 people that have NOT been tested...
There should be another 6600 odd positive cases, another 400 extra in hospital and another 75 people dead, where are they????


Your odds of dying from Covid in NZ is about the same as winning Powerball....
People dream of winning powerball, actively visit known powerball superspreader hot zones twice a week in hope of winning...

Meanwhile about 6 times as many people die in drink drive car crashes.
We even have mass random surveillance testing for that too, typically about 1.5-2% are ‘ infected’ with the influence of alcohol.....
Would we tolerate say a 24hr lockdown every time you bought a beer at bar?
Or after your night at the bar you don’t leave through the front door, a govt agent escorts you to a ‘quarantine ‘ facility which you can’t leave for 24 hrs.
Just imagine that, we would ABSOLUTELY save 150 lives a year
The govt will NEVER do that so why all this crap with the virus where the potential victim has a 93% chance of not even needing hospital treatment...


Well it seems the MORE deadly and MORE contagious delta variant failed to deliver... just think about that, the infected person came on a flight where people would have taken masks off at times to eat and drink and all shared the same inflight tier facilities. THEN they sauntered all over a MAJOR metropolitan area and thefe was no outbreak.
Guess that’s why an ever nastier version lambda? Starts with L has just been “ discovered”....

Oh but we’ve locked down so quick, yes but not before the exposure events and not before all those exposed on weekends away returned to provincial centres.

One has to wonder if the new respiratory infection in young kids is a result of the sterility of lockdown life not letting there immune systems learn properly in early development months as the age band is very low.


Whoa whoa whoa, back the truck up...

“The foundation of good science is approval by the military” LMFAO
Good science is ANY other scientist in the world being able to reproduce your results with same methods and material.

“I don’t want SARS or Covid in my lab” (as I can’t afford the fees to buy these patented bio warfare weapons), butvyet still managed to make and test antibodies for them????

The Russians already developed a vaccine but the hysterical media said its dangerous and might not be safe while saying all vaccines are safe?????


Bang on. That’s been the goal all along to decimate the world economy so we’re all on Chinese or Mexico level slave wages. Except of course that “lowering” wages is unpalatable so it’s done by stealth via inflation or economic disaster so people will take any job to survive.
They were planning to do it via carbon taxes, slowly lower is in to total oppression, but they took too long and too many people were seeing the gross lies predicted 20 years ago fail to happen.
Then they got cocky and fronted an autistic 16 year old and switched off everyone.
So how convenient that Covid whether natural or engineered came along to fill the same goals.
And to top it off we have race riots destroying the surviving small businesses and soon to be the food supply chain as amazon and other large centres get hit.
The Bolsheviks would have been so jealous of us getting the people to destroy their own society.


There’s two ways this pans out... the virus magically mostly disappears and we return to some form of normal rampant consumerism after being tattooed/implanted with bill gates digital ID2020 social/vaccine passport
Certificate
Of
Vaccination
I
D

Covid

Or this virus turns out to be as nasty as they say it is. Then we have at least three years living under full blown communism to control spread til it naturally mutates itself out of existence as all virus strains do. This will be a major worldwide depression and everyone will be off to workcamps in exchange for food as all western economies will be crippled by the early welfare dolled out to “keep the economy going”

One thing Is for sure either way, given the chance of a crisis govt will pass new laws and taxes to “save us”.... next election will be very interesting


As of Dec 4 2020

1,298,455 Total tests

2219 positive test results

139 (estimated based on 6.3% in previous data of 1600/80 approx) Hospitalised

25 dead

WHY is it SO HARD to find the data on how many people in NZ NEEDED hospital treatment for this.
This number has to be actively suppressed as ALL the other data comes up very EASY in searches.
The answer is so people don’t ask WHY are we scared.
Can you imagine a Pandemic being declared of the PM said oh by the way 93% of you that actually manage to contract the virus won’t need to go to hospital just stay home and rest.
Nothing else matters the maths tells the story, especially post lockdown any new cases should have spread massively as everyone suddenly enjoyed a watered down form of freedom.
And just think of all those Asymptomatic cases in the 3,800,000 people that have NOT been tested...
There should be another 6600 odd positive cases, another 400 extra in hospital and another 75 people dead, where are they????


Well well well, our journey into communist hell continues.

There has only been 1650 alleged cases (out of 700,000 tests!!!!) of the virus, but what has spread faster has been submission to communist control.
Nearly 2 million have downloaded the Covid app so you can be sent to a govt “ health” camp to catch the virus if you didnt already have it.

But yay 3 million kiwis have said no to turning their phone into govt spy device.

Tommorow is D-day, public transport will be the barometer of how many of us have rolled belly up to mask wearing.
Hopefully most will say screw this shit and drive their cars to work.

You don’t have to wear a mask if it affects your physical or mental health and you do NOT need to present documents to prove this.

Out and about it’s refreshing to see nearly No one scanning the qr code thingy.

It’s quite clear now as the mountain of contradictions grow that it’s not about stopping the “virus”..


Masks are for destroying social interaction and communication with strangers. You know those moments in life when some shitbag is bashing his missus and enough of you make visual contact to know you’ve got each other back and intervene.
But with masks there will never be any Flight 93 “lets roll” moments of bravery, you’ll never know if your fellow citizen is a Karen or Stasi as you reluctantly board the blacked out train carriage...
A cop will never see your friendly smile, never know you like them and not let you off that minor stop sign indescretion...


We could have a few months of level four lockdown as well, that’s just as painful as doing 99 but would save even more lives.
We need a sensible balance and the previous status quo was it.
Police Comms is going to be jammed with Karen’s reporting people overtaking at 110 in 100 zone.
Poor cops are going to be even more alienated on top of this other antifa/BLM drama...

I’m predicting a rise in the road toll for the next two years. The covid apocalypse means a mere sneeze could see you die alone in a govt death camp so people are going to YOLO and live every day like it’s your last.
I went on a ride yesterday that was normally outside my own yes/no safety checks. Slightly tired from night shift, high winds and other factors.
But I went because I might wake up tommorow to find the country wrecked with another lockdown.
I’ve been riding lots more than normal which increases my risk exposure and sure others doung same.

[R650R]

You mustn't be paying too much attention to Israel, the vaccinated there are still far better off than those who haven't

Yes of course merely illustrating we are entering a time of a false sense of security... there’s about to be travel opened up along with large concerts etc. Overseas countries have exposed all of their weak people already where as here technically very few have been exposed to even the original virus. We will be soley reliant but on the vax working properly. Interesting times..,,

[pritch]

Apparently Idaho had a renowned epidemiologist but he wouldn't follow the party line, he talked sense. He was sacked and replaced by an unqualified guy who was opposed to masks and vaccinations. He recommended vitamin K and Ivermectin. Idaho has now announced a medical emergency, the hospitals are almost at 100% capacity and all treatments and surgeries except COVID have been postponed.

I seem to recall reading that Tennessee now has the most cases. They must be going some to beat Texas and Florida or the other broke arsed southern states.

The Lincoln Project has but this out about Texas. Impressive numbers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tK11VkicTzo

[husaberg]

. We will be soley reliant but on the vax working properly. Interesting times..,,

Odd you already suggested what the cure is hydroxychloroquine.



The media are tripping over themselves trying to solve the mystery of why Africans aren't dying from covid as badly as the west.
Africans routinely take a cheap safe anti malaria drug invented in n 1960's called hydroxychloroquine....
Scooby Doo would solve that puzzle faster



If you widened your reading circle to sources outside the mainstream media machine you’ll find plenty of independant sources were saying hey we experimented with this and had some success.
Hydroxyclhoriquine has been around since 60’s been used years officially as anti malaria drug and its super cheap.
This statement has been fact checked and found to be true.

[Laava]

So in the states it is, I think, one in 500 people have died of the covid. Of course there is always the matter of interpretation of whether or not it was covid or pre existing, bla bla bla, but, that is a lot of people. Everyone would know one or two people who have died at least.

[F5 Dave]

Maybe the power of pray will save us?


Go on.

Tell me lies tell me sweet little lies.

[husaberg]

I appreciate that it's impossible for this government to ever satisfy you. On the other hand, you could open your eyes, look around, and make a list of the governments that have handled COVID better than ours. Shouldn't take long?

To assist, may I remind you of this table? It shows deaths per million of the population as at a couple weeks ago.

UK 1964.1
US 1893.8
NZ 5.1


But if you correct that data for population size itÂ’s not so bad
UK would be 160 and USA 32 with UK having 12 times our population and USA being 60 times our population.
Then if you factor in higher more denser population and far greater use public transport there always going to have larger numbers than us.
UK has large immigrant population, people live in cold houses with poor access to sunlight and fresh air. And Everyone goes to local pub after work to watch footy and have a pint.

This post of R50R hasn't dated that well either.

UK 2.081.14
USA 2,032,01
NZ 5.49

Remember these are deaths per million of the population if the UK had have handled Covid as poorly as the USA they could have had about 8x as many deaths if we are to use you contrite population size is the defining factor rather than effective and early controls.
Your own comment about the USA vs the UK dont actually pan out as the USA has passed the UK where people according to you all go to local pub after work to watch footy and have a pint.

The population density in the United Kingdom is 281 per Km2
The population density in the United States is 36 per Km2
The population density in New Zealand is 18 per Km2


The percentage of which the UK population is Urban is 80.5%
The percentage of which the USA population is urban 82.6%
The percentage of which the NZ population is Urban is 87%


Using your UK has more immigrant population doesn't make sense either
The UK population as a percentage of migrants is 14.1%
The USA population as a percentage of migrants is 14.4%
The NZ population as a percentage of migrants 29.4%



Using the deaths for the UK doesnt work either as it peretty much follows the % of ethnicity anyway.
able 2. Number and percentage of COVID-19 deaths by ethnic group and source
NHS England (all ages) ONS (all ages)
Deaths Percent Deaths Percent
White 14781 82.73 10726 83.76
Mixed 130 0.73 94 0.73
Indian 560 3.13 483 3.77
Bangladeshi and Pakistani 501 2.80 386 3.01
Chinese 66 0.37 59 0.46
Black 1022 5.72 766 5.98
Other ethnic group 806 4.51 291 2.27

Claiming its related to Public transport doesnt pan out either as the AV US ctizen spends 40 hours on public transport whilst the average Kiwi spends around 20 hours each
I cant find the UK figures but it would be significantly higher then the US probably by a margin of 5:1