Honda CN250/Spacy/Helix/Elite

[ducatilover]

Anyone know of any of these floating around? I just found one for myself to delve further in to my automotive masochism. It's ridiculous and supremely ugly. Bit would be even more offensive if I could find the missing plastics

[husaberg]

A guy i worked with in the mid 90's had one of those, he also had a bad perm and no girlfriend I sincerly believe the three issues were not completely unrelated.
i think i have a road test on one somewhere in a oddball us mag sport rider or something (spoiler alert the road surface was not tested buy the shear grunt on the thing)

[F5 Dave]

Some sort of Judge Dread bike makeover?

[ducatilover]

A guy i worked with in the mid 90's had one of those, he also had a bad perm and no girlfriend I sincerly believe the three issues were not completely unrelated.
i think i have a road test on one somewhere in a oddball us mag sport rider or something (spoiler alert the road surface was not tested buy the shear grunt on the thing) I imagine the missus will be packing up and taking the kid, dog and cat with her 🤣


Some sort of Judge Dread bike makeover? I have no idea what I'm doing anymore

[husaberg]

I imagine the missus will be packing up and taking the kid, dog and cat with her ��

I would say keep the cat scooter riders would tend to have a heap of cats....
TBH i have a similar vintage Lead 125ss nearly as ugly but at least its a Reed valve 2t.
https://live.staticflickr.com/90/245438012_e0d899d377_b.jpg
there was an even super uglier Darth Vadar styled 50 or 80 as well.
I can't recall what it was called but it had an Atac pedal.
a quick google it was the Honda Beat
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT67OVVyGRIY8dKaA1dCzPpMBY8nlAtc kwqBg&usqp=CAU


Honda V-TACS
VTAC diagram.jpg
The "V-TACS" - Variable Torque Amplification Chamber System - works differently from the "ATAC system" and it will only work when it is used in conjunction with a tuned muffler. Tuned mufflers/expansion chambers increase power but only at the RPM they are designed for and can actually cause a power loss outside their tuned RPM. "V-TACS system" takes advantage of using an expansion chamber without losing power outside the expansion chamber's tuned RPM. Within the head and cylinder of the engine, there is a chamber that is sealed by a valve. This sealed chamber is vented onto the exhaust port when the valve is open. At low RPM this valve is open, this has the effect of increasing the exhaust manifold volume and negating the power loss that would normally be apparent at low RPM with an expansion chamber. At mid RPM the valve is closed, this enables the expansion chamber to work. It is identified by the head and cylinder, being much larger than normal for its displacement, the cylinder wall is also cast with the wording VTACS on it.

V-TACS was a foot-operated power valve system made by Honda on some of its small two-stroke bikes and scooters, like the Honda FC50

plus this one i have never seen before but they had a pop up head light and testrarossa louvers.....
https://i1.wp.com/www.bike-urious.com/wp-content/uploads/Honda-Elite-150-Deluxe-CH150D-Front-Left.jpg
I don't ever recall seeing a pop up one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUOJKJyt2Kw
wrap-around tail lights like a Goldwing. or a touring hardly

[FJRider]

Anyone know of any of these floating around? I just found one for myself to delve further in to my automotive masochism. It's ridiculous and supremely ugly. Bit would be even more offensive if I could find the missing plastics

Motorcyclists aspire to be offensive. For some it's a life intention.

If it works (and it's legal) ... and does the job you want it to ... whats the issue .. ??

[F5 Dave]

Yes, the Lead. It could be pronounced two ways.

But it's one endearing feature was it had a belt driven water pump that a mate ran on his GP100 off the flywheel.

[ducatilover]

Motorcyclists aspire to be offensive. For some it's a life intention.

If it works (and it's legal) ... and does the job you want it to ... whats the issue .. ??
Not all motorcyclists :innocent:


I would say keep the cat scooter riders would tend to have a heap of cats....
TBH i have a similar vintage Lead 125ss nearly as ugly but at least its a Reed valve 2t.

there was an even super uglier Darth Vadar styled 50 or 80 as well.
I can't recall what it was called but it had an Atac pedal.
a quick google it was the Honda Beat




plus this one i have never seen before but they had a pop up head light and testrarossa louvers.....

I don't ever recall seeing a pop up one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUOJKJyt2Kw
wrap-around tail lights like a Goldwing. or a touring hardly

There is, or was?, a pair of Honda Beats on trademe, I have been strangely tempted by them
There's something awesome about the shockingly 80's Honda stuff.
I have seen one with the pop up light, very jealous

Having an ATAC pedal would basically complete my life


Yes, the Lead. It could be pronounced two ways.

But it's one endearing feature was it had a belt driven water pump that a mate ran on his GP100 off the flywheel.
Well, that's an interesting one. I'll have a little look at that

[husaberg]

There is, or was?, a pair of Honda Beats on trademe, I have been strangely tempted by them
There's something awesome about the shockingly 80's Honda stuff.
I have seen one with the pop up light, very jealous

Having an ATAC pedal would basically complete my life


Well, that's an interesting one. I'll have a little look at that

Its those darth vadar helmet good looks.
https://hips.hearstapps.com/pop.h-cdn.co/assets/17/23/1497019504-dark-helmet-unmasked.jpghttps://i1.wp.com/indoride.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/beat-honda.jpg

it must be a nostalgia thing, I remember they were just as ugly back in the day as they are now.
But ugly now is kind of cute in our homogenized every car or bike looks alike world.
Maybe its like those wheel spats or Bathtubs and nacelles on the triumphs or quirky is cool like a 2cv or Bettle or morris minor
https://ogden_images.s3.amazonaws.com/www.motorcycleclassics.com/images/2018/08/11101556/Triumph-5-jpg.jpg
The Vtac pedal was and had to be used all the time. if made it feel faster? not sure if it made a speed difference? but the engine note changed which was just as good as a 50HP shot of nitrous.

Dave i think the water pump might have actually been from the Beat as that was water cooled i don't recall any the leads being WC (but maybe the Lead 80SS was, that had a disc as was much faster)

Like all scooters of the era, all we used to do was decarb the exhaust and replace the tires and or plastics. Maybe an occasions carb and tank clean
I never remember anyone even doing a rebore or a top end.

The most capable bike was the 50CC DJ1 as that was a rocket ship for 50 and would wheelie under throttle if you timed it right and leaned back at the correct time but it had a tiny front wheel 8 inch i think so people were a little dubious of it. it was a shit load faster than a nifty, but like the nifty it has boring looks.

[F5 Dave]

Actually I did double think that, probably the Beat then. Sinking like a lead balloon. :shutup:

[husaberg]

Actually I did double think that, probably the Beat then. Sinking like a lead balloon. :shutup:

I cant even see a parts fiche.
Instant classic.

[ducatilover]

I need a Beat!!!!! You've sold me.
A friend has an RG50 I've been trying to get off him for years, what a genius little machine that is.

Sourcing anything other than the usual service items for the CN250 is proving nigh on impossible
First and foremost I want a tail light unit because mine is smashed to bits. Then I can get a wof and ride around looking like a dick.

[actungbaby]

I need a Beat!!!!! You've sold me.
A friend has an RG50 I've been trying to get off him for years, what a genius little machine that is.

Sourcing anything other than the usual service items for the CN250 is proving nigh on impossible
First and foremost I want a tail light unit because mine is smashed to bits. Then I can get a wof and ride around looking like a dick.Have u tryed malcom kirby encho honda .
I have a nss 250 forza .
I had a lead 80 dad had ss version it had more torque.
I used slid the front on that baby. [emoji16]

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[F5 Dave]

I need a Beat!!!!! You've sold me.
A friend has an RG50 I've been trying to get off him for years, what a genius little machine that is.

Sourcing anything other than the usual service items for the CN250 is proving nigh on impossible
First and foremost I want a tail light unit because mine is smashed to bits. Then I can get a wof and ride around looking like a dick.
RG50 you say? I've done the odd km on one of those. Like Wellington to the cold kiwi ,six times, despite having 1100 tourers in the stable.

Plus I might have done a few race laps on one as well for about 20 years.

[husaberg]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzGWI2zjLt8


https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/scooters/honda/listing/3298258961
https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/plus/1565072662.jpg

[ducatilover]

Have u tryed malcom kirby encho honda .
I have a nss 250 forza .
I had a lead 80 dad had ss version it had more torque.
I used slid the front on that baby. [emoji16] I totally forgot, he's probably the most likely to have parts

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RG50 you say? I've done the odd km on one of those. Like Wellington to the cold kiwi ,six times, despite having 1100 tourers in the stable.

Plus I might have done a few race laps on one as well for about 20 years. they are hilarious. Found this one on market place 5 years ago or so, one owner and very low milage, I think he paid $400 or thereabouts! I currently have it stored at work, might take it out for a bash





https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/scooters/honda/listing/3298258961

Been watching these bad boys, but I'm not allowed anything else because the shed is overflowing massively 🤦*♂️

[pritch]

And instantly I'm back in the year of my first bike ride. It was a Speed Twin too, but not as flash as that. What were they thinking?

[F5 Dave]

I got a call a year back from someone I know offering me my old road RG50 he had bought. Bit worse for wear of course. Decided I had other things to progress and I really wouldn't ride it.
Watch the tanks. Will be onto the third repair of the bottom corners by now.

[husaberg]

And instantly I'm back in the year of my first bike ride. It was a Speed Twin too, but not as flash as that. What were they thinking?
streamlining and or later fins first curved later raked and agular was all the rage back in the day, a bit wasted on a Tiger cub let alone a Tiger 110 if you ask me. Wicks did most of the real design for Triumph back then and turner took the credit.
I love those details and rockets etc and props that 50's cars like Studebakers had back then (not the car) or ford single spinners but the details designers tend not to take risks and who can blame them
https://c8.alamy.com/comp/EPWM57/studebaker-bullet-nose-on-a-1950-studebaker-champion-showing-this-EPWM57.jpg

[ducatilover]

I got a call a year back from someone I know offering me my old road RG50 he had bought. Bit worse for wear of course. Decided I had other things to progress and I really wouldn't ride it.
Watch the tanks. Will be onto the third repair of the bottom corners by now. tank is original and untouched. Apart from a great "patina" the only damage is a crack in the gauge cluster screen. It's a real gem. If I remember I'll snap a few pics at work.

Speaking of silly 2t stuff. I know where a rough and pulled apart KR150 is, maybe I need to make that bad decisions



And instantly I'm back in the year of my first bike ride. It was a Speed Twin too, but not as flash as that. What were they thinking? they're a lovely looking machine IMHO

[husaberg]

they're a lovely looking machine IMHO

but a few years later using the same basic bits
https://images1.bonhams.com/image?src=Images/live/2013-05/24/8783341-1-5.jpg
or another 6 years on further
https://images1.bonhams.com/image?src=Images/live/2020-05/06/24980242-12-2.jpg

[F5 Dave]

Oy Triumph I've ridden.

. . . . I mean apart from the ones I've owned for girly modern bykrs

[F5 Dave]

If you want to talk RG50s give us a yell once properly aquainted. I'm not expert in many things in life, but I will own that one.

[ducatilover]

but a few years later using the same basic bits

or another 6 years on further

Also very nice looking.
Keep going and I'll show you how low my standards can get


If you want to talk RG50s give us a yell once properly aquainted. I'm not expert in many things in life, but I will own that one.

I don't want to go down a rabbit hole 😔

[F5 Dave]

Rabbit hole? Well have you applying herbal vaccine removal detox serums in no time.

[husaberg]

Also very nice looking.
Keep going and I'll show you how low my standards can get



I don't want to go down a rabbit hole ��

They peaked then until the harris in about 85 but they needed a 68 or so tank.

a guy i was talking to mentions the Fuji rabbit we had that never went when i was a kid we used to tow it down the road with a rope.
love to do one with a R1 engine.

[ducatilover]

Rabbit hole? Well have you applying herbal vaccine removal detox serums in no time. take a peek in my shed and tell me I'm not already in trouble 🤦*♂️


They peaked then until the harris in about 85 but they needed a 68 or so tank.

a guy i was talking to mentions the Fuji rabbit we had that never went when i was a kid we used to tow it down the road with a rope.
love to do one with a R1 engine. there was a Fuji for sale on TM, might even still be there, reasonably odd looking wee thing
Trying to acquire a few more smaller scoots for the exciting scooter paddock Enduro for new years. If we do a clockwise track I'll use my Keyway with excellent sidecar attachment

[ducatilover]

349872 obligatory pic of why you don't let your mates ride your sidecar Keyway