Looks like the country is finally waking up to our communist leader Stalinda

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Read the news what else needs to be said,

[F5 Dave]

You seem to be having some anger issues. Are you getting on ok with your mother? Rebuild a relationship before it is too late.

[Laava]

You should do some research to find out what a communist regime actually is. Unless you are a stupid american, you can't automatically brand everyone a communist just because you don't agree with them.

[jellywrestler]

Read the news what else needs to be said,

did daddy leave his computer on?

[Berries]

Read the news what else needs to be said,
House prices in Invercargill are up and too many cats in Gore.

I blame Putin.

[F5 Dave]

Well we haven't blamed Rogernomics for a while. Let's lean into that.

[husaberg]

Well we haven't blamed Rogernomics for a while. Let's lean into that.
No ones ever explained how Douglas and Prebble two of NZ's most right wing politicians ended up in the Labour party. Before start our most right wing party

Actually if you look at the ACunt party

Ken Shirley former Labour MP
Trevor de Cleene Former Labour MP
Maybe it was Labours plan all along to destroy the national party by creating a "Right wing" party full of Labour MP's :laugh:
Surely the national parties elite members were not thick enough to kill it themselves......:msn-wink:

[TheDemonLord]

Just reminding everyone that she was the President of the Socialist Youth, an organization founded by Stalin.

[Dadpole]

Just reminding everyone that she was the President of the Socialist Youth, an organization founded by Stalin.

:innocent:

On August 24 – 27, 1907, a meeting of 20 youth representatives from 13 countries met in the German city of Stuttgart and founded the Socialist Youth International (SYI) as the youth organization of the Second International.

https://iusy.org/category/home/history-1/

[jellywrestler]

:innocent:

On August 24 – 27, 1907, a meeting of 20 youth representatives from 13 countries met in the German city of Stuttgart and founded the Socialist Youth International (SYI) as the youth organization of the Second International.

https://iusy.org/category/home/history-1/

i didn't know Stalin was from Germany.

[F5 Dave]

One of those dirty nazi commies :gob:

[F5 Dave]

When I was 12 my favourite band was KISS.
When I was 11 I thought ABBA was cool.

It hasn't become a defining issue in my life as an adult.

[pritch]

When I was 12 my favourite band was KISS.
When I was 11 I thought ABBA was cool.

It hasn't become a defining issue in my life as an adult.

Shit oh dear! Kiss maybe, but ABBA? You are exceptionally lucky to have recovered.

[husaberg]

:innocent:

On August 24 – 27, 1907, a meeting of 20 youth representatives from 13 countries met in the German city of Stuttgart and founded the Socialist Youth International (SYI) as the youth organization of the Second International.

https://iusy.org/category/home/history-1/
At one stage there was an idiot on here claiming the Nazis were a left wing party full of socialists.


Nazism is a form of fascism, with a disdain for liberal democracy and the parliamentary system. It incorporates fervent antisemitism, anti-communism, scientific racism
The Nazis claimed that communism was dangerous to the well-being of nations because of its intention to dissolve private property, its support of class conflict, its aggression against the middle class, its hostility towards small business and its atheism. Nazism rejected class conflict-based socialism and economic egalitarianism, favouring instead a stratified economy with social classes based on merit and talent, retaining private property and the creation of national solidarity that transcends class distinction. Historians Ian Kershaw and Joachim Fest argue that in post–World War I Germany, the Nazis were one of many nationalist and fascist political parties contending for the leadership of Germany's anti-communist movement.
n Mein Kampf, Hitler stated his desire to "make war upon the Marxist principle that all men are equal.



Opposed to anarchism, democracy, liberalism, and Marxism, fascism is placed on the far right-wing within the traditional left–right spectrum.
Fascists believe that liberal democracy is obsolete and regard the complete mobilization of society under a totalitarian one-party state as necessary to prepare a nation for armed conflict and to respond effectively to economic difficulties.
"Fascist negations" – anti-liberalism, anti-communism, and anti-conservatism.
"Fascist goals" – the creation of a nationalist dictatorship to regulate economic structure and to transform social relations within a modern, self-determined culture, and the expansion of the nation into an empire.
"Fascist style" – a political aesthetic of romantic symbolism, mass mobilization, a positive view of violence, and promotion of masculinity, youth, and charismatic authoritarian leadership
The March on Rome brought Fascism international attention. One early admirer of the Italian Fascists was Adolf Hitler, who less than a month after the March had begun to model himself and the Nazi Party upon Mussolini and the Fascists.[148] The Nazis, led by Hitler and the German war hero Erich Ludendorff, attempted a "March on Berlin" modeled upon the March on Rome, which resulted in the failed Beer Hall Putsch in Munich in November 1923
In Germany, it contributed to the rise of the National Socialist German Workers' Party, which resulted in the demise of the Weimar Republic and the establishment of the fascist regime, Nazi Germany, under the leadership of Adolf Hitler. With the rise of Hitler and the Nazis to power in 1933, liberal democracy was dissolved in Germany and the Nazis mobilized the country for war, with expansionist territorial aims against several countries. In the 1930s, the Nazis implemented racial laws that deliberately discriminated against, disenfranchised and persecuted Jews and other racial and minority groups.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/02/05/right-needs-stop-falsely-claiming-that-nazis-were-socialists/

https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists

https://fullfact.org/online/nazis-socialists/

[pritch]

At one stage there was an idiot on here claiming the Nazis were a left wing party full of socialists.

You get that a lot. Never read any history but know it all. I blame home schooling - and the algorithms.

[Kickaha]

You are exceptionally lucky to have recovered.

Has he though ?

[TheDemonLord]

:innocent:

On August 24 – 27, 1907, a meeting of 20 youth representatives from 13 countries met in the German city of Stuttgart and founded the Socialist Youth International (SYI) as the youth organization of the Second International.

https://iusy.org/category/home/history-1/

One should scroll down, because it was after the war that the modern iteration of the Socialist Youth was founded. In 1946.

Who was the head of the Biggest and most influential Marxist/Communist/Socialist organization at the time? Who was also well documentation in founding, funding and supporting various Socialist groups around the world (Ps McCarthy was right...)?

I'll give you a clue: Stalin.

And despite their attempts to not link their vile organization with that Murderous dictator...

[TheDemonLord]

One of those dirty nazi commies :gob:

Well, all the Fascists were former Marxists....

[TheDemonLord]

At one stage there was an idiot on here claiming the Nazis were a left wing party full of socialists.

They weren't called the National Socialists without a reason....

I'll give you a hint - instead of Communism along Class lines: The Worker vs the Owner, they want it along Race lines: The Aryan vs the Jew.

And again, all the Fascists were former Marxists....

[TheDemonLord]

When I was 12 my favourite band was KISS.
When I was 11 I thought ABBA was cool.

It hasn't become a defining issue in my life as an adult.

Did you become the president of your local chapter of the KISS Army?
Then go onto work their Tour Manager?

See, it's a bit different.

[F5 Dave]

Has he though ?
I was 11! Or maybe 10. The teachers made us sing it at assembly. I liked the blonde one. Or was it the one with the beard? I'm so confused. :(

[R650R]

You should do some research to find out what a communist regime actually is. Unless you are a stupid american, you can't automatically brand everyone a communist just because you don't agree with them.

I think 99% of people use it in a colloquial form in NZ to describe loss of freedoms or overly strict enforcement of rules. Commonly interchanged with Nazis/fascist/stasi even though those three have very differently meanings too.
Most people rarely use a dictionary after leaving school so thatÂ’s how we get to this point, eg Highway cops called speed nazis, fascist parking Meyer wardens etc....
Only someone who is an autistic cut and paste artist would argue to the core that what we have now canÂ’t be called a communist regime in some sense, perhaps communism lite, 28% version...

We donÂ’t have controlled use of labour, you can do what job you want within reason of your skill set.
We donÂ’t have food shortages and rationing (Yet....)
We donÂ’t have controls on our choice of transport (Yet...)
We mostly donÂ’t have restrictions on free speech
We donÂ’t have overly long terms of incarceration in jails (unfortunately)

However.....

You Must carry your identification papers when travelling
You MUST keep a diary of your movements and who you were with
You MUST apply for a voucher to re enter your own country
99% of media survives on state sponsorship
Satire of parliament proceedings is illegal.
Free burning of wood for heating and cooking is banned in many places/times
We have a largely disarmed population with strict gun control

[R650R]

One should scroll down, because it was after the war that the modern iteration of the Socialist Youth was founded. In 1946.

Who was the head of the Biggest and most influential Marxist/Communist/Socialist organization at the time? Who was also well documentation in founding, funding and supporting various Socialist groups around the world (Ps McCarthy was right...)?

I'll give you a clue: Stalin.

And despite their attempts to not link their vile organization with that Murderous dictator...

The early pushers of communism renamed and reinvented it as socialism after Stalin et al gave it such a bad name they had trouble getting financial backers on board. Even then people realised that sucked too and concepts widely rejected. So proponents of communism/socialism gradually infected University and schools like pied pipers leading our kids astray.
People liked what we had, the free market is what built America arguable the most popular place to live in 80/90s. Where the immigrant legal or not could build his own business and succeed.
You can’t replace a system that people like and want without infiltrating and destroying it from within first

[Dadpole]

This debate/platform/asylum used to be entertaining and - at times - thought provoking. Sadly, it has faded and puts me in mind if once-good comedians past their best and fallen on irrational rants and insults to try and stay relevant.

Goodnight - and may your God go with you. :bye:

[jellywrestler]

I was 11! Or maybe 10. The teachers made us sing it at assembly. I liked the blonde one. Or was it the one with the beard? I'm so confused. :(

they've come out of retirement recently, i like the grey one

[george formby]

This debate/platform/asylum used to be entertaining and - at times - thought provoking. Sadly, it has faded and puts me in mind if once-good comedians past their best and fallen on irrational rants and insults to try and stay relevant.

Goodnight - and may your God go with you. :bye:

Is the recent ABBA album really that bad?

[Kickaha]

Goodnight - and may your God go with you. :bye:

Which God ?

[Laava]

You Must carry your identification papers when travelling
You MUST keep a diary of your movements and who you were with
You MUST apply for a voucher to re enter your own country
99% of media survives on state sponsorship
Satire of parliament proceedings is illegal.
Free burning of wood for heating and cooking is banned in many places/times
We have a largely disarmed population with strict gun control
You are just being overly dramatic with all this tho, you need a voucher to enter your own country? Nope. This only applies to this specific time when there is an uncontrolled pandemic
you must carry your identification papers when travelling? Nope. Only applies if you are travelling to a different country or to, or through a different alert level.
etc etc.

[FJRider]

I think 99% of people use it in a colloquial form in NZ to describe loss of freedoms or overly strict enforcement of rules. Commonly interchanged with Nazis/fascist/stasi even though those three have very differently meanings too.
Most people rarely use a dictionary after leaving school so thatÂ’s how we get to this point, eg Highway cops called speed nazis, fascist parking Meyer wardens etc....
Only someone who is an autistic cut and paste artist would argue to the core that what we have now canÂ’t be called a communist regime in some sense, perhaps communism lite, 28% version...

And it's just a coincidence that the highest area average of Covid cases are in the Auckland region. The ones SEEN to be fighting against their "Loss of Freedoms" ... and spreading/taking the virus into other regions ... on the grounds it's their "Right" to travel where they please. And attempting to stop that travel with restrictions ... is somehow ... the beginnings of a Communist Regime.

Sorry folks ... it's not even close. With the onslaught of a National Pandemic/Emergency ... you can all EXPECT a number of losses of freedom. For the benefit and safety of ALL citizens.


We donÂ’t have controlled use of labour, you can do what job you want within reason of your skill set.
We donÂ’t have food shortages and rationing (Yet....)
We donÂ’t have controls on our choice of transport (Yet...)
We mostly donÂ’t have restrictions on free speech
We donÂ’t have overly long terms of incarceration in jails (unfortunately)

The Employers decide if your "Skill set" is suitable for their Business or not.

We wont mention the increasing food COSTS on most items though ... some items more than others though.

Just controls (in some regions) WHERE / how far you can travel (to stop/slow the spread of the Virus) too.

FREE speech is not as free as some may believe. As in the belief that ... THEY are not allowed to be offended by anybody ... but "Free Speech" means they can say what they like ... and if people are offended by it ... TOUGH SHIT because it's THEIR (right ??) to FREE speech.

There's been a few in there ... including a few in the last few years ... that will never be able to pop into a "Night and Day" for a pottle of chips and a thick-shake.



However.....

With most of NZ legislation ... there is often a "However" ... you just have to read further into the following clauses of that particular topic of legislation.


You Must carry your identification papers when travelling
You MUST keep a diary of your movements and who you were with
You MUST apply for a voucher to re enter your own country
99% of media survives on state sponsorship
Satire of parliament proceedings is illegal.
Free burning of wood for heating and cooking is banned in many places/times
We have a largely disarmed population with strict gun control

Those with an NZ Drivers license are required to carry it. Subject to a fine if you are asked for it ... and can't produce it. This is required even if you are NOT driving. If asked by Police ... you may be asked to identify yourself satisfactorily. If you cannot do so, you can be held in custody until your identity is confirmed. Only the guilty (with something to hide) would refuse to identify themselves.

The lazy just use the self scan at every place you visit. This is in our/EVERYBODY'S own BEST interests to do so. If a person KNOWN to have Covid visits an area/place ... those that were also at that location at around that time ... can be contacted and tested. Would YOU want to be contacted if YOU were at a known location a Covid infected person visited .. ??

At least your own country is allowing you BACK. If NZ is as bad as you try to make out ... why would they WANT to come BACK. It could be ... it's a LOT better HERE ... than where THEY ARE. With a LOT more restrictions THERE... than we have HERE.

Business is Business. It's pretty much just one line of "News" at the moment. People are getting paid to report it ... and people still buy Newspapers and watch the TV "News". Go figure.

Coal has been frowned on now for burning ... but sales of (the correct type of) wood burners are on the increase. The reasons for any "No burning" policies are more for environmental reasons ... not a (Local Government) political whimsy.

"A Largely Disarmed Population" ??? Do you believe in the Tooth Fairy too .. ?? You can STILL get a Firearms License. And the reason for the toughening of NZ Gun laws has more to do with shoddy practice by Police in their Gun Licensing policies and practice. And adding to that ... the idiotic opinions of some of the voting`public appeased to gather votes in the next election. Those "Fit and Proper" to GET a firearms license ... can STILL get one. But the restrictions are on types of weapon you can legally buy. And you must justify the intended USE of the weapon. Not entirely a BAD thing ... in MY opinion.

[FJRider]

they've come out of retirement recently, i like the grey one

You think HE is your type ... ?? :shifty:

[pritch]

We have a largely disarmed population with strict gun control

Really? Firearms ownership is widespread in NZ. Not many semi autos now, but other than that you can fill yer boots.

(Not her boots, yer boots. Bloody auto correct.)

[TheDemonLord]

Really? Firearms ownership is widespread in NZ. Not many semi autos now, but other than that you can fill her boots.

Well, 30% less than when she started.

Lots of boating accidents I hear.

[F5 Dave]

You think HE is your type ... ?? :shifty:

Me and Spyda will sandwich him, but avoid looking each other in the eye at the time. :love::love::love:


We will make him sing

Mamma mia, here I go again
My, my, how can I resist you?
Mamma mia, does it show again
My, my, just how much I've missed you?
Yes, I've been brokenhearted
Blue since the day we parted
Why, why did I ever let you go?
Mamma mia, now I really know
My, my, I could never let you go

[FJRider]

Well, 30% less than when she started.



They were never certain of the actual and exact number of firearms in circulation at the time. Any figures give by those tasked with finding out ... could only estimate (read GUESS).

Even Registered Gun owners were (understandably) coy about what weapons were in their possession. Police did the annual (I think) visual check on what guns were held by owners (On a prearranged time and date) ... To update their records. The now outlawed weapons they previously had, and were registered as having ... were declared sold or destroyed. No proof of such was ever asked for. Police records were updated as such. Hence the basis for their figures ... is wrong.

If only 10% of registered Gun owners did this ... :shifty:

[R650R]

They were never certain of the actual and exact number of firearms in circulation at the time. Any figures give by those tasked with finding out ... could only estimate (read GUESS).

Even Registered Gun owners were (understandably) coy about what weapons were in their possession. Police did the annual (I think) visual check on what guns were held by owners (On a prearranged time and date) ... To update their records. The now outlawed weapons they previously had, and were registered as having ... were declared sold or destroyed. No proof of such was ever asked for. Police records were updated as such. Hence the basis for their figures ... is wrong.

If only 10% of registered Gun owners did this ... :shifty:

You’d be a complete fool to intentionally deceive the police in any of the ways talked above. That would eventually surface and see you in the slammer.
Bloke at work reckons cops are dragging feet on new applications, takes over a year now to get licence.
They will come for the rest after the next event happens....

[FJRider]

You’d be a complete fool to intentionally deceive the police in any of the ways talked above. That would eventually surface and see you in the slammer.

Nope ... And with the number of people that have said and done exactly as I stated in one (small) area ... There will be a lot more of the same nation wide.

Police did not, and still do not have the staff/time/resources/inclination to follow up any such "Missing" firearms. Most of the Police staff in position to begin any such investigations ... were counting down the day until their retirement. To say their enthusiasm for the job was waning ... would be an understatement.

The funny thing is ... they made the "New" Weapons record keeping "system" ... even harder work for Police to ... err ... Police.

Go figure.


Bloke at work reckons cops are dragging feet on new applications, takes over a year now to get licence.
They will come for the rest after the next event happens....

In the past ... to get through the sheer weight of numbers of License applications ... shortcuts in the "system" were made. Perhaps ... they (The same staff as mentioned above) are doing it the full "As Per the BOOK" process now. And ... as above ... short staffed and under pressure (And being watched) from the PM down to not make any MORE fuck-ups in the license process ... THEY TAKE THEIR OWN SWEET TIME doing it.

Did you really expect/hoped for anything different to that ... ??

[R650R]

Nope ... And with the number of people that have said and done exactly as I stated in one (small) area ... There will be a lot more of the same nation wide.

Police did not, and still do not have the staff/time/resources/inclination to follow up any such "Missing" firearms. Most of the Police staff in position to begin any such investigations ... were counting down the day until their retirement. To say their enthusiasm for the job was waning ... would be an understatement.

The funny thing is ... they made the "New" Weapons record keeping "system" ... even harder work for Police to ... err ... Police.

Go figure.



In the past ... to get through the sheer weight of numbers of License applications ... shortcuts in the "system" were made. Perhaps ... they (The same staff as mentioned above) are doing it the full "As Per the BOOK" process now. And ... as above ... short staffed and under pressure (And being watched) from the PM down to not make any MORE fuck-ups in the license process ... THEY TAKE THEIR OWN SWEET TIME doing it.

Did you really expect/hoped for anything different to that ... ??

The problem will arise though when perhaps you are caught in a random traffic stop and hello here’s your “ missing” firearm in the boot. Or even better they catch a burglar in act at your house with your “ missing” weapons.
Down this way cops are having regular stop and search missions in popular hunting areas due to poaching being rife alongside with unauthorised shooting in production forests.
Just by typing this on a forum you will also be keyword datalogged and your IP address noted and you will be on a list... for possible action at future date....
It’s just like the fallout for the gangs over that Amon app, their slowly going around picking them off one by one....

[Berries]

Just by typing this on a forum you will also be keyword datalogged and your IP address noted and you will be on a list... for possible action at future date.......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YMVPXmaKds

[pritch]

The problem will arise though when perhaps you are caught in a random traffic stop and hello here’s your “ missing” firearm in the boot.

Hmmm, had a few random stops but they have never wanted to check the boot. It'd seem the odds are pretty good.

Was stopped because of an escaped prisoner once and one of the cops said, "This guy will have a boot full of guns." That was a bit of a worry because I didn't recognise him but he was right. I was on my way to a match and had several firearms in the boot, all legal, but they didn't want to look.



Just by typing this on a forum you will also be keyword datalogged and your IP address noted and you will be on a list... for possible action at future date....


Nah. They missed the Christchurch mosque shooter because they were too busy looking for Islamists. Now they are likely busy watching for RWNJs and ignoring everything else.

[FJRider]

The problem will arise though when perhaps you are caught in a random traffic stop and hello here’s your “ missing” firearm in the boot. Or even better they catch a burglar in act at your house with your “ missing” weapons.
Down this way cops are having regular stop and search missions in popular hunting areas due to poaching being rife alongside with unauthorised shooting in production forests.
Just by typing this on a forum you will also be keyword datalogged and your IP address noted and you will be on a list... for possible action at future date....
It’s just like the fallout for the gangs over that Amon app, their slowly going around picking them off one by one....

Again ... Nope.

1. Only the brain dead will drive around with weapons they are unlicensed to have ... and IN PLAIN VIEW. Those that do ... even with weapons they ARE licensed to have ... that is inviting attention from some that you'd be best to not invite attention from. And not always the Police in this regard either.

2. Only the brain dead will leave their weapons in such a way (even in their own house) that the average "Burglar" can steal.

3. If the Exotic forest blocks are near Native blocks ... they can be quite good shooting areas. But official permission is best gained first. Some of the forestry workers I know of "May" have weapons themselves while at work. And WILL shoot back if fired upon. Or just "accidentally" run over their 4WD's / utes if its obvious they don't have permission to be there. It has happened I can assure you. I worked in the forests around the Turangi area in the mid '80's.

4. Nope. Aside from the fact that I do not have (and never had) private weapons of my own. Nor a firearms license of my own. And some of those that did as I have posted ... are now dead. So ... it might be difficult to charge THEM. But ... as I have already posted ... the Police have enough issues with the one's ALIVE with weapons ... that they NEED to deal with first.

5. As for the Gangs ... See above (4).

[TheDemonLord]

Nah. They missed the Christchurch mosque shooter because they were too busy looking for Islamists. Now they are likely busy watching for RWNJs and ignoring everything else.

The missed him, because they didn't follow their own rules and got complacent.

Also, if you'd read his Manifesto, you'd know he wasn't that Right-Wing, his end-goal was to instigate an attempt at mass weapon confiscation that would cause a civil war in the US and end up causing significant decrease in population to save the planet.

He has more in common with Extinction Rebellion than anything else....

[pete376403]

The missed him, because they didn't follow their own rules and got complacent.

Also, if you'd read his Manifesto, you'd know he wasn't that Right-Wing, his end-goal was to instigate an attempt at mass weapon confiscation that would cause a civil war in the US and end up causing significant decrease in population to save the planet...

Well that wouldn't work, for a start, if all the guns were confiscated, what would they have a civil war with?

[mashman]

Well that wouldn't work, for a start, if all the guns were confiscated, what would they have a civil war with?

Einstein supposedly said that WW4 would be fought with sticks n stones. He must have seen jabcinda commin ;)

[husaberg]

Einstein supposedly said that WW4 would be fought with sticks n stones. He must have seen jabcinda commin ;)
Do you think he could have predicted a labour mp who i had and still have never heard of getting 26,000 more votes then you at the last election.

[TheDemonLord]

Well that wouldn't work, for a start, if all the guns were confiscated, what would they have a civil war with?

I think if the US Federal government tried a mass confiscation, it wouldn't even start...

[R650R]

I think if the US Federal government tried a mass confiscation, it wouldn't even start...

They wouldn’t do it that way, will be same way as cars are going. Incremental changes to just make it too difficult to own. Eg yearly doctor/pscychartist/house security check at gun owners cost etc. Just like how Jacinda didn’t Make vaccines mandatory just about half populations wint have job without.
Gone are The days of operating under the night of broken glass style. Any future round ups of guns/petrol cars/bikes/vege gardens/hen houses etc will be done slow motion like council coming round for a resource consent violation after neighbour Karen narks on you.
And if people notice oh Jimmy down road got taken away by people in CSI overalls... oh must have had the virus....

So enjoy freedom now folks