Question for Builders/Tradies

[TheDemonLord]

GIB vs Elephant Board.

The current Building supply delays have caused me a major headache and I may have to go with Elephant Board - which I understand is manufactured in Thailand.

I've read some commentary a few years back about it being 'not as good as GIB' - but that was a few years ago.

Is it a reputable product or?

[jellywrestler]

GIB vs Elephant Board.

The current Building supply delays have caused me a major headache and I may have to go with Elephant Board - which I understand is manufactured in Thailand.

I've read some commentary a few years back about it being 'not as good as GIB' - but that was a few years ago.

Is it a reputable product or?

one would expect if it is suitable for the building inspectors to allow it then it's all good. I've worked on building sites as a sparky a couple of times where it's been sued and no-ones walked in and said oh fuck that shit again.

[pete376403]

Mitre 10 have some "other" branded stuff thats made in Aussie. cant recall then name. A little bit cheaper,, but M10 guys said they would recommend Winstone gib if its for a finish that really matters

[caseye]

Nothing wrong with Elephant Board, bloody good shit, go get it, before you can't get anything.
Sold timber and building products for better than 40 years,seriously, it's as good if not better than our Gib board.:banana::apint:

[jim.cox]

go get it, before you can't get anything.

Wot 'E Sed !

Those stories about supply chain issues are sadly true :(

[BMWST?]

just make sure that you use elephant borad as it supposed to be used.Do not assume that you can replicate a certain gib board type bracing system with elephant board.You must use the elepant board systems.You may need to get some documents redone if your bracing was done using gib board systems

[TheDemonLord]

Bump - question number 2:

I suspect I know the answer - but figured I'd get some other perspectives. With the current DIY Projects - initially I was going to hire the tools I needed - but I'm looking at doing some more stuff around the house to the point where hiring a tool 2-3 times is the cost of a new one.

I'm looking at either Ozito or Ryobi.

Ryobi has the higher price point and seems to be the market leader for the DIY tool (e.g. not Trade)
Whereas Ozito has the lower price point and seems to have a bit of a chequered history - the current stuff is apparently re-branded Einhell stuff, exclusive to Bunnings.

Reading between the lines on other sites - the general consensus seems to be:

If you are only using it a few times a year, Ozito will be sufficient, if you are planning on tackling slightly more serious DIY (I've got 3-4 rooms that I want to re-Gib and insulate and I just *know* the walls are going to have Curves like Nicki Minaj...) then the Ryobi is the better bet.

In particular - I am going to have to plane about 1-2 mm off of Studs/Joists that aren't quite flush - and that's going to be some hard wood.

So - thoughts?

[iYRe]

Im just a fiddler with these things, but my Ryobi stuff isnt that great. The Ozito stuff is worse. I've been buying chinese made stuff from TOPMAQ. Might not be the best looking stuff but it seems to take a beating, and its not too expensive.

If your going to buy something to keep for the long run, I'd go with the american stuff, DeWalt or Milwakee - its worth the extra cash.

[george formby]

All my cordless stuff is Ryobi and from a value perspective I'm really happy. The gear is not as heavily featured as the pro stuff, Makita etc but it all still works and I've ended up with 9 batteries. Big plus is that Ryobi has not changed battery fitment from the get go, when they were blue. Being a black belt bodger it's amazing how the gear holds up.

I'm now into their garden range, hedge clippers, leccy chainsaw etc. Really impressed.

I have an Ozito bench grinder which works but it is really rough, excuse the pun..

I was given two very cheap planers by a friend, Chinese brand with a Chinese name. He had hammered them, dull blades and out of adjustment. The idea was to do a small job and chuck them in the bin but I sharpened the blades up and learned how to adjust them correctly. They chooch now!

I would suggest that any tool which is going to get fairly regular use buy Ryobi or better, anything which is going to sit in the shed for years buy the cheapest.

And consider the battery side, this is where Ryobi really scores. I can now buy skin only tools and they are pretty cheap.

[Black Knight]

I have to give Ozito a bit of a tick-I bought one of their cheap version Dremmels and gave it quite a hiding,at month 13 the thing stopped working,I was back at Bunnings having a moan about it only being one month out of warranty (even though it had done the equivalent of about two years work) and the Ozito rep was there,grizzled at him a bit and he goes to his vehicle and gives me a new one-plus 5 sets of polishing wheels.Prolly cost them bugger all but great customer service.I have since bought Ozito drills and jigsaw and they suit my low usage just fine.

[jellywrestler]

Bump - question number 2:

I suspect I know the answer - but figured I'd get some other perspectives. With the current DIY Projects - initially I was going to hire the tools I needed - but I'm looking at doing some more stuff around the house to the point where hiring a tool 2-3 times is the cost of a new one.

I'm looking at either Ozito or Ryobi.

Ryobi has the higher price point and seems to be the market leader for the DIY tool (e.g. not Trade)
Whereas Ozito has the lower price point and seems to have a bit of a chequered history - the current stuff is apparently re-branded Einhell stuff, exclusive to Bunnings.

Reading between the lines on other sites - the general consensus seems to be:

If you are only using it a few times a year, Ozito will be sufficient, if you are planning on tackling slightly more serious DIY (I've got 3-4 rooms that I want to re-Gib and insulate and I just *know* the walls are going to have Curves like Nicki Minaj...) then the Ryobi is the better bet.

In particular - I am going to have to plane about 1-2 mm off of Studs/Joists that aren't quite flush - and that's going to be some hard wood.

So - thoughts?

i'm a sparky and ozito almost needs to banned on safety grounds, switch quality is atrocious and when you're caught and need to operate that switch it is problematic. An old boss was addicted t the stuff on price, it cost him a lot on other damage however.

[R650R]

Touchwood my Ryiobi 18v drill and two batteries have been awesome. So good I recently bought impact driver at lower end of torque range and very impressed with that too.
Bought Ozito mitre saw awhile ago for angle cuts, Jesus it was only just over $100 but has performed like a champ for its minor duties buildingvworkbench and stuff.
We’re pretty blessed on the affordability scale these days of what we can buy and cheap doesn’t need to mean junk for the average joe diy user.

[iYRe]

I bought an ozito bench saw and had to build my own stand for it because I buckled the crap metal it was made with in about a week

[tigertim20]

Bump - question number 2:

I suspect I know the answer - but figured I'd get some other perspectives. With the current DIY Projects - initially I was going to hire the tools I needed - but I'm looking at doing some more stuff around the house to the point where hiring a tool 2-3 times is the cost of a new one.

I'm looking at either Ozito or Ryobi.

Ryobi has the higher price point and seems to be the market leader for the DIY tool (e.g. not Trade)
Whereas Ozito has the lower price point and seems to have a bit of a chequered history - the current stuff is apparently re-branded Einhell stuff, exclusive to Bunnings.

Reading between the lines on other sites - the general consensus seems to be:

If you are only using it a few times a year, Ozito will be sufficient, if you are planning on tackling slightly more serious DIY (I've got 3-4 rooms that I want to re-Gib and insulate and I just *know* the walls are going to have Curves like Nicki Minaj...) then the Ryobi is the better bet.

In particular - I am going to have to plane about 1-2 mm off of Studs/Joists that aren't quite flush - and that's going to be some hard wood.

So - thoughts?

I have a ryobi planer (corded, duno if they do battery one) thats done quite a few rooms over the course of or 3 houses now - onw which had Rimu studs - eg, fuckin hard.

Planer has been awesome, and didnt skip a beat - would recommend.

[F5 Dave]

So I have 5 charging systems. Obviously the Makita is far superior to any crap the Amercans could make, just like hardleys vs motorcycles.

I have AEG as well which seem OK.

I also have 3 Ozito. A sabre saws which has revolutionised gardening. And impact screwdriver. And impact wrench.

Surprised how good they are.

[pritch]

This discussion can go round and round. Somewhere here is a book in which a guy tells how he built three keel yachts with his "cheap" Black and Decker drill. That's a lot of holes.

[BMWST?]

if you going cordless stick with one brand,then at least the batteries can be swapped.Hve no experience with either of those brands. See what you can get in the sales with a better brand maybe?

[F5 Dave]

Actually I disagree. I have cordless screwdriver with one battery and impact with another. Much easier.

[R650R]

if you going cordless stick with one brand,then at least the batteries can be swapped.Hve no experience with either of those brands. See what you can get in the sales with a better brand maybe?

There’s hoodakis you can buy now, a form of adapter plates that allows battery swapping across multiple brands of tools. One of reputable tool blogs did a good video on it.

I have a similar device that charges multiple brand camera batteries (actually better than factory’s jobbie) so only havevto pack one charger on trips.

[R650R]

This discussion can go round and round. Somewhere here is a book in which a guy tells how he built three keel yachts with his "cheap" Black and Decker drill. That's a lot of holes.

Well if Alan Millard can mill and weld new engine designs in his lil garden shed...

This joker called Noah built a pretty big boat without power tools. Apparently it would have been size of aircraft carrier independence and took about 75 years to build. It seems the weather was none to favourable atvtime too....

https://answersingenesis.org/bible-timeline/how-long-did-it-take-for-noah-to-build-the-ark/

[TheDemonLord]

So, in the end - I went with Ryobi - two main reasons:

1: Feedback from here and other places
2: When I went to the shop, they didn't have any decent size Ozito batteries in stock. To be fair, they had similar issues in the Ryobi range as well, but then there was a set of a Cordless drill + 2 AH and a 4 AH battery + charger = $200.

Considering the batteries and charger just to buy alone would be about ~$250 - I figured a free Drill was worth it.

See below is what I got:

Reciprocating saw, Corded Planer ($120 vs $200 for Cordless), aforementioned Drill set and a Nibbler.

350343

Currently they are engaged in a fierce battle against the old packing battens in the ceiling. Need to move the temporary light fixings to be attached to the Joist, trim some of the battens off (as they traverse the kitchen into the dining room) then sort out my new Batten spacing, mark the joists, plane the joists that are proud, get some new battens (that will go the full length of the ceiling so as to not be floating in midair) then it will be ready for the new GIB (ironically, the same GIB that was procured when I first posted this thread).

Thanks for the input - and Happy New Year!

[iYRe]

This joker called Noah built a pretty big boat without power tools. Apparently it would have been size of aircraft carrier independence and took about 75 years to build. It seems the weather was none to favourable atvtime too....

https://answersingenesis.org/bible-timeline/how-long-did-it-take-for-noah-to-build-the-ark/

yeah, speaking as someone in the know - they dont know, those clowns make the rest of us look bad.

Mind you, saw a show where they had these 12000 yr old rocks that looked like they had been carved with a plasma cutter.. so they asked this self taught rock carving guy to reproduce them. He said he couldnt - so aliens had done it with lasers. Of course, it could have been that 12000 years ago the dudes who's lives depended on building with and carving rocks knew something he didnt.

(see how I got tools in to that?)

[jellywrestler]

Of course, it could have been that 12000 years ago the dudes who's lives depended on building with and carving rocks knew something he didnt.

(see how I got tools in to that?) or time travellers from nowadays taking some back and planting them, then knowing where to discover them now and make a big fuss

[iYRe]

or time travellers from nowadays taking some back and planting them, then knowing where to discover them now and make a big fuss

i forgot the time travellers... :/

[pritch]

This joker called Noah built a pretty big boat without power tools. Apparently it would have been size of aircraft carrier independence and took about 75 years to build. It seems the weather was none to favourable atvtime too....


Which reminds me.

[R650R]

Which reminds me.

Haha yes.... a lot of “strawberry jam” left on the decks 😂


https://youtu.be/7tcjZl0vk9Y

[R650R]

yeah, speaking as someone in the know - they dont know, those clowns make the rest of us look bad.

Mind you, saw a show where they had these 12000 yr old rocks that looked like they had been carved with a plasma cutter.. so they asked this self taught rock carving guy to reproduce them. He said he couldnt - so aliens had done it with lasers. Of course, it could have been that 12000 years ago the dudes who's lives depended on building with and carving rocks knew something he didnt.

(see how I got tools in to that?)

Yes no doubt a lot of use full skills have been lost along the way. We only have to look at the abject apathy of some millineals in workplace to see what we’re previous commonly simple tasks nowctoo difficult or dangerous to perform...

The problem with the whole Egypt/Mayan thing is people project modern methods to the problem rather than thinking in terms of simple fulcrum/levers/pulleys and sheer disposable manpower of the times.

[BMWST?]

There’s hoodakis you can buy now, a form of adapter plates that allows battery swapping across multiple brands of tools. One of reputable tool blogs did a good video on it.

I have a similar device that charges multiple brand camera batteries (actually better than factory’s jobbie) so only havevto pack one charger on trips.
didnt know that but not surprising really

[BMWST?]

Actually I disagree. I have cordless screwdriver with one battery and impact with another. Much easier.

dunno if that was dircted at me but fwiw now that you have two batteries for your xxx drll and impact,you can prolly just buy skins now and use the batteries and charger(s) that you have got.

[jellywrestler]

i forgot the time travellers... :/

it's not a real thing, how many have you seen go to 2020, quite a lot, no-one in their right mind would go to 2020 by choice, therefore they are just fictional characters.

[jellywrestler]

Actually I disagree. I have cordless screwdriver with one battery and impact with another. Much easier.

how much work do you do that requires both fluently without having one battery for the two? convenience comes at a price eventually

[F5 Dave]

Ha. Funnily I have literally just come up from re hanging the lockup roller door runners. I was swapping between drill and impact driver occasionally and the sabresaw which has shared battery. Swapping that back and forwards became tedious.

When I hung clearlite under the deck I needed the drill and impact (yes I know about the screws, cheaper stuff needs drilling) if I was swapping batteries I'd still be there.

Sadly through mismanagement and chance I have ended up with 5 lithium systems.

[Swoop]

I'm looking at either Ozito or Ryobi.

So - thoughts?
Oddly, I was quite surprised with Ryobi a few years back. A cordless drill worked really well and the battery lasted for ages.

Otoh: the Ozito is nastily cheap, but can be abused like a cheap whore and then return it for a replacement one when it craps out.

The other benefit with either brand is that nobody will steal them!



Obviously the Makita is far superior to any crap the Amercans could make, just like hardleys vs motorcycles.
A good mate who runs his own building business, replaced all his makita tools with Milwaukee. Swears he wouldn't go back.

[R650R]

Oddly, I was quite surprised with Ryobi a few years back. A cordless drill worked really well and the battery lasted for ages.

Otoh: the Ozito is nastily cheap, but can be abused like a cheap whore and then return it for a replacement one when it craps out.

The other benefit with either brand is that nobody will steal them!



A good mate who runs his own building business, replaced all his makita tools with Milwaukee. Swears he wouldn't go back.

Your giving crims too much credit....

We have ram raids here for computer games and vape products, one of game stores they rammed was empty the business having moved to a new shop 😂😂😂🤣🤣
They would have no idea of brand specs of power tools