Are police impotent?

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

What's happening with our law enforcements in your part of the country?

They seem to be loosing respect in my area's of Auckland.

I watch these kids doing wheel's and waving to them, I don't know who feels more like the mug the cop or me for obeying non inforced laws .

I've noticed if I'm doing 10 or 15 km over the speed limit and I pass a cop I don't bother rolling of the throttle because I already know there going to do nothing.

Are police losing respect in your part of the country or is Auckland turning into a lawless city?

[pete376403]

Seems that way round here. Not having a local, full-time manned police station doesn't help - after hours calls will take at least 30 minutes for a response, if it happens at all.

[caseye]

Short answer, YES!, they (Govt, Police Minister (JOKE) Commissioner, judges, all to do with our justice system and it's absolutely appaling record of controlling/incarcerating thugs, murderers and native, NZ terrorists) in other words, not our front line Police, but their handlers, have lost all respect from me and anyone else I know (and that is plenty, shame on them) who has recently been burgled, robbed, threatened in the street in broad daylight or suffer constant here I am, see me (Harleys to the fore here) hear me (Harleys again reved excessively everywhere they go so the genral population know theyré actually living in their ( The gang terrorists) neighbourhood, not the free to peacefully do as you please, long as it's legal they moved into, believing they would be protected from thugs, robbers and general street scum, by their beloved Police.
It's not individual Police personnel I have lost respect for, it's the from the top, Aunty Fucking Jaccey, Poo Poo, fucking Williams, the new look , politically string pulled so called Police Commissioner, all believe feverently that these poor people deserve another chance and shouldn't go to jail or worse be the subject of instant reprisal if they do wrong. You know if followed back to their home/gang pad, it's flattened and all who survive that, don't get a single dollar from the taxpayer.
Cripes If I speed down the motorway I'm done for, older white male on relatively expensive motorcycle, hey theres one, you know, can afford to pay, won't give us grief and no danger, lets get him.
If it's a full on Tribe ride or even a single (not a very common occurrance these days) Gang patched rider on the wrong side of a Motorway, exceeding the speed limts, attacking and terrifying ordinary NZérs, it's OH well, without positive proof it was them, we can't do anything.
Thats the part that pisses me off.
Our Police men and women, know who these thugs are, where they live, who they prey on, as an aside, stopped at the intersection of Te Irirangi rd and Gt Sth rRd the other day, usual number of banned windscreen washer there, watched as patched gang types spoke with the washers and took their takings, are they shaking down them too, or more likely the gangs have figured out another innovative way to rob the tax payers of NZ and wave their big fat finger at the man.! Anyway, it's that they're not allowed to take these low lifes down and use the proper full force of the law to stop them coming back that is the problem.
More jails, na, barbed wire around Mt Smart, throw them all in there, throw in a few weapons, let em go for it, take out the last one standing, no problem, you can't reoffend (most of them have arrest records as long as your arm) if you're not breathing, or NZ Politicians forbid, are actually incarcerated for the full term of their sentences.:brick::brick:

[R650R]

Police are doing great with their hands tied behind their back by politicians. They’re kicking butt in the bay, gangs have had major drug/vehicle/propert/cash seizures here recently....
The problem is though I think they are trying for Miami vice glory of going after those at the top. A less fortunate uncle who lives in a rougher hood than me asures me the local fry heads would turn in their local dealers for as little as ten dollars they are that stupid and desperate.
But let’s not forget crime exists so we need a govt to “save” us.....
Who would pay taxes for protection if we didn’t have govt breeding a problem by generations of destructive policies on the family unit that reward failure and creating marginalised peoples within society.

[Berries]

Did you mean impotent or important?


Hard to tell with your broken keyboard.

[george formby]

Most of the Federales I know have kids, so, no.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

The last couple of police officers I witnessed doing some form of policing recently was a cop pulling over a nurse (in uniform) and this week I witnessed a cop hiding in the middle of a round about with a communications device(not very covert and professional)... he saw me shaking my head at him in disappointment.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

The last couple of police officers I witnessed doing some form of policing recently was a cop pulling over a nurse (in uniform) and this week I witnessed a cop hiding in the middle of a round about with a communications device(not very covert and professional)... he saw me shaking my head at him in disappointment.

I'm presuming why he was hiding in a bush covered round about (and thats wishful thinking) cops can't pursue illegal dirt bike riders by car but can hide and jump out in the hopes of apprehending the young law breaker's.

My money's on the dirt bike rider ...
https://youtu.be/-f3CFzahrRs

[F5 Dave]

Last night I heard the screaming
Loud voices behind the wall
Another sleepless night for me
It won't do no good to call
The police always come late
If they come at all
And when they arrive
They say they can't interfere
With domestic affairs
Between a man and his wife
And as they walk out the door
The tears well up in her eyes
Last night I heard the screaming
Then a silence that chilled my soul
I prayed that I was dreaming
When I saw the ambulance in the road
And the policeman said
"I'm here to keep the peace
Will the crowd disperse
I think we all could use some sleep"​

[Kickaha]

They say they can't interfere
With domestic affairs
Between a man and his wife
And as they walk out the door
The tears well up in her eyes

Given the experience a friend of mine is going through I'd say they're spectacularly useless at it even to the point of a protection order being ignored by them

[JimO]

gang funeral in Dunedin last week with the usual mayhem, the rozzers even blocked intersections so they could speed through and do the usual antics

[roogazza]

Comrade ardern has done a great job of dividing NZ ,the damage done will take years to remedy.

Don't blame the frontline Policemen,it comes from Govt.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Comrade ardern has done a great job of dividing NZ ,the damage done will take years to remedy.

Don't blame the frontline Policemen,it comes from Govt.

I'm not blaming them for what there told to do
I'm blaming them for what there not doing, your standard road law enforcement, it's pretty much non existing in Auckland, I haven't been pulled over in over a decade, can't remember the last time I came through a breath testing stop, last time I had a license check was over 10 years ago...it makes me wonder why I'm paying hundreds if not in excess of a grand to get my class 6, wof,reg, insurance and I'm not even being told to slow down, like I said are police impotent? Seems the young illegal dirt bike riders understand this which makes me the mug.

[husaberg]

if anyones going to be tough on crime and have the respect of the gangs its this guy

https://c.tenor.com/853uAlfiL4cAAAAC/david-seymour.gifhttps://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2015-09/15/22/campaign_images/webdr12/new-zealand-politician-the-french-love-the-cock-2-6172-1442369778-0_dblbig.jpg

[JimO]

if anyones going to be tough on crime and have the respect of the gangs its this guy

https://c.tenor.com/853uAlfiL4cAAAAC/david-seymour.gif



https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2015-09/15/22/campaign_images/webdr12/new-zealand-politician-the-french-love-the-cock-2-6172-1442369778-0_dblbig.jpg
what a twat eh, he raised thousands for his charity, how about you comrade

[husaberg]

what a twat eh, he raised thousands for his charity, how about you comrade

Jimmy Savile raised money for charity too... so what's your point?
He is a total smeghead, end of story.

[JimO]

Jimmy Savile raised money for charity too... so what's your point?
He is a total smeghead, end of story.
shure he is

just like this cunt

350894

[husaberg]

shure he is

just like this cunt

https://ilovenz.me/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/john-key-cringe.jpg

topical as Paula benefit been raising money for her fav charity at the moment


Paula Bennett, a former Deputy Prime Minister, had raised a huge amount of money in just three weeks.
Donors included New Zealand's wealthiest man, Graeme Hart, who gave $250,000, as did multi-millionaires Murray Bolton and Nick Mowbray.
In an interview with the Herald, Salmond said the scale of the donations showed a "return to normal" as National once again became "competitive".
ennett's three-week fundraising drive among some of New Zealand's wealthiest individuals was revealed in the Herald. The donations were yet to be formally published under Electoral Commission rules.
She said the total raised during the current fundraising drive was $1.8m and came from "a number of people who wanted to see National run a strong and effective campaign in 2023 and challenge the Government's thinking and direction".
National traditionally outperforms Labour on donations with official records showing Labour recorded donations of $1,510,628 in 2020 while National's were $2,802,766.

If National get in i sense a dame hood for Paula for her "charity work"

[F5 Dave]

So pray tell Mr O. Who would you put forward as our next glorious leader?

[nzspokes]

The last couple of police officers I witnessed doing some form of policing recently was a cop pulling over a nurse (in uniform) and this week I witnessed a cop hiding in the middle of a round about with a communications device(not very covert and professional)... he saw me shaking my head at him in disappointment.

The nurse was breaking the law.

[JimO]

So pray tell Mr O. Who would you put forward as our next glorious leader?



this has the same ability's as the current clown ruining the country


350898

[R650R]

Looks like their pretty handy with an electric drill.....

Poor ol Bunnings and mega 10 gonna get shoplifted in the bit Driver section tommorow lol

Anti tamper LMFAO, why is it that every crime watch style clip turns into school for the crims. Stupid of tv to show the actual bit used. Looks same as the airbag screw on my Nissan’s airbags. A torch t25/30 with recess in centre. Wonder how many crims just realised that an electric driver will speed up their workflow with the bonus that carrying it is not an offensive weapon like a screwdriver might be....


https://youtu.be/xJuwiGMIJvY

[F5 Dave]

this has the same ability's as the current clown ruining the country


350898

That wasn't the question.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

The nurse was breaking the law.

Yes I'm sure she was

So was a dirt bike rider doing wheelies while lane splitting through traffic on Great south road..Where's the consistency?

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

It is doable, they just need to do it.


https://youtu.be/807PIVPxpY8

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

In regards to limited resources,

Back in 2008 when there were 3 Murders in a short period of time in South Auckland, I'm not sure who was in government at the time, but they flooded the streets at night with patrol cars, I remember finishing a late night shift, picking up takeaways after 11pm and every 3rd car was a cop car,

Was it an over kill? Maybe

Did I care? No

Did I feel safe ordering my takeaways late at night..definitely.

[nzspokes]

Yes I'm sure she was



Then no problem. :niceone:

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Then no problem. :niceone:

Yeah, no problem until one of them does a wheelie over a kids head crossing the road.

[husaberg]

i never liked the guy as he was a tosser, but read what he said.
John Banks (https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111644333/haunted-john-banks-says-semiautomatic-weapons-should-have-been-banned-in-1990)

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Yeah, no problem until one of them does a wheelie over a kids head crossing the road.

And just to pre warn you all "when " not "if" this happens, the media will blame every single biker with 2 wheels and an engine, the cops will blame everyone but themselves.

[pritch]

That wasn't the question.

It's possible Mr O spends too much time listening to NewstalkZB.

[pritch]

And just to pre warn you all "when " not "if" this happens, the media will blame every single biker with 2 wheels and an engine, the cops will blame everyone but themselves.

Ah yes. Then the politicians will decide "something must be done." That's always dangerous because the "something" tends to be a knee jerk and is rarely, if ever, thought through.

[husaberg]

Ah yes. Then the politicians will decide "something must be done." That's always dangerous because the "something" tends to be a knee jerk and is rarely, if ever, thought through.

How many cars did crusher colins crush during her tenure.?
Or was that the nickname only because her hubby's company crush the supply pipeline to Marsden point costing the country 48 million dollars..........
https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2019/09/17/how-lucky-is-judith-collins-that-media-are-too-busy-chasing-labour-sex-assault-allegations/
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/brian-rudman-judith-collins-pipeline-to-promotion-springs-leak/P4EXBLSL6RKYFG62QT6YWBA5NM/
https://fyi.org.nz/request/6595-involvement-of-kauri-ruakaka-limited-in-the-oil-pipeline-rupture-between-whangarei-and-auckland?unfold=1
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/marsden-pt-pipeline-rupture-caused-by-digger-looking-for-swamp-kauri/WARZGMUUV5EJ7AXSK24YQB4X5A/
https://www.1news.co.nz/2019/09/16/no-consequences-likely-for-kauri-hunter-who-ruptured-aucklands-main-fuel-pipeline-causing-estimated-48m-in-damage/

Edit a whole three cars..... wow
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/98513231/just-three-cars-destroyed-under-crusher-collins-law

[pete376403]

How many cars did crusher colins crush during her tenure.?
Or was that the nickname only because her hubby's company crush the supply pipeline to Marsden point costing the country 48 million dollars..........
https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2019/09/17/how-lucky-is-judith-collins-that-media-are-too-busy-chasing-labour-sex-assault-allegations/
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/brian-rudman-judith-collins-pipeline-to-promotion-springs-leak/P4EXBLSL6RKYFG62QT6YWBA5NM/
https://fyi.org.nz/request/6595-involvement-of-kauri-ruakaka-limited-in-the-oil-pipeline-rupture-between-whangarei-and-auckland?unfold=1
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/marsden-pt-pipeline-rupture-caused-by-digger-looking-for-swamp-kauri/WARZGMUUV5EJ7AXSK24YQB4X5A/
https://www.1news.co.nz/2019/09/16/no-consequences-likely-for-kauri-hunter-who-ruptured-aucklands-main-fuel-pipeline-causing-estimated-48m-in-damage/

Edit a whole three cars..... wow
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/98513231/just-three-cars-destroyed-under-crusher-collins-law

But it wasn't even Collins - by the time the three cars were crushed Anne Tolley had the job.

[pritch]

How many cars did crusher colins crush during her tenure.?
Or was that the nickname only because her hubby's company crush the supply pipeline to Marsden point costing the country 48 million dollars..........
https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2019/09/17/how-lucky-is-judith-collins-that-media-are-too-busy-chasing-labour-sex-assault-allegations/
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/brian-rudman-judith-collins-pipeline-to-promotion-springs-leak/P4EXBLSL6RKYFG62QT6YWBA5NM/
https://fyi.org.nz/request/6595-involvement-of-kauri-ruakaka-limited-in-the-oil-pipeline-rupture-between-whangarei-and-auckland?unfold=1
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/marsden-pt-pipeline-rupture-caused-by-digger-looking-for-swamp-kauri/WARZGMUUV5EJ7AXSK24YQB4X5A/
https://www.1news.co.nz/2019/09/16/no-consequences-likely-for-kauri-hunter-who-ruptured-aucklands-main-fuel-pipeline-causing-estimated-48m-in-damage/

Edit a whole three cars..... wow
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/98513231/just-three-cars-destroyed-under-crusher-collins-law

That first car, the one pictured with Tolley tottering on it in her heels, was just a shit box body shell. The engine, transmission and suspension, had all been removed.
What a triumph. What a joke.

[JimO]

So pray tell Mr O. Who would you put forward as our next glorious leader?


he did such a great job of kiwibuild

350914

[husaberg]

he did such a great job of kiwibuild

https://thestandard.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/John-Key-work-here-is-done-620x437.jpghttps://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSLq9Otk2DTDsdS3oIj4_GCLh2NsHb5_ uR39A&usqp=CAU

I could see why that would upset you it's odd they haven't been able to build the houses as fast as National could sell them off.
350915350916

[JimO]

I could see why that would upset you it's odd they haven't been able to build the houses as fast as National could sell them off.
350915350916
you need to keep up, National was 2 governments ago and we all know that labour is selling off state houses as well

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/122149832/government-sells-30m-worth-of-state-houses-after-labour-promised-to-stop-sales

[husaberg]

you need to keep up, National was 2 governments ago and we all know that labour is selling off state houses as well

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/122149832/government-sells-30m-worth-of-state-houses-after-labour-promised-to-stop-sales

They have built more than they sold unlike the other crowd.


146 state homes sold
with 2813 state homes having been built since June 2018 and a further 2596 under construction.
do you even math bro

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ey-ZmwFUYAIIatY.png

[JimO]

They have built more than they sold unlike the other crowd.

do you even math bro


do you have a photo of cindy on your bedroom ceiling?

[husaberg]

No but i have a grasp of logic...
NATIONALS PROMISE

In terms of housing, the Government is itself planning to build more than 2000 houses over the next two financial years but, more importantly, wants to work with local councils on the underlying problems of land supply, building and resource consents and provision of infrastructure.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/full-t...YEDMYAIO47I4Q/

National, in the 2014 financial year it sold 598 homes and built 398,
in the 2015 financial year it sold 492 and built 724.


National's new housing spokesperson Jacqui Dean has falsely claimed her party built 30,000 state homes when they were last in power, and claimed her party now backs rental standards they voted against and recently promised to scrap.

In fact, the state housing stock fell by 2000 between 2009 and 2017. Statistics show in 2008, when National defeated Helen Clark's Labour, there were 65,324 state homes. In September 2017 when National lost power, there were only 63,209.

Figures from the Ministry of Housing and Urban Development show National actually built 2670 homes in its nine years - only 9 percent of what Dean claimed - and sold 2728.

National’s new housing spokesperson has admitted the party was wrong to sell and convert more state houses than it built when it was last in office.
Willis said National sold or converted “a couple of thousand” state homes.
“I think what we can see from that is yes, the Government needs to build state houses,” she said.
Labours built 2813 state homes since June 2018 and a further 2596 under construction.they sold or demolished 140 homes
three years

National spent over a decade claiming there was no housing crisis and now they fanbois want to blame the current govt for it.
So was there a housing crisis or not? sack up.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/308084/housing-'challenge'-still-not-a-'crisis'

https://thestandard.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/john-key-housing.jpg?x22258https://thestandard.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Key-housing-crisis-2007.jpg?x22258https://scontent.fchc2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.18172-8/11078003_10152766729856452_2310884724045315758_o.p ng?stp=dst-png_p320x320&_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=2d5d41&_nc_ohc=zYsMJ5wE4QcAX8VU23U&_nc_ht=scontent.fchc2-1.fna&oh=00_AT9UId4bOY1I9YRuS9fbl94jEFGa1-ug6mnPewBQT9CvTA&oe=6278D257https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ey-ZKXAVEAEVIls.jpg

[F5 Dave]

he did such a great job of kiwibuild

350914

Well this still feels like avoiding the question.

[JimO]

Well this still feels like avoiding the question.


not at all, im putting twyford up for cindys replacement

[F5 Dave]

To which, you've already started complaining about with the use of sarcasm. Unless that is your desire. Just to complain a lot. You're not a brit by chance?

[pritch]

There is no defending Twyford. His figures were sheer idiocy. !00,000 houses in ten years. Nobody in the government divided that by 10 to see how many houses they needed to build in a year. Nor did they divide the 10,000 by 52 or they'd have known they needed to be completing near 200 houses per week. He should never be put in charge of anything.

Still, the current Minister of Police is making a strong effort to replace him as the biggest fuck up. Rather than defend her the PM should cut her loose. She's a liability.

[Berries]

To which, you've already started complaining about with the use of sarcasm. Unless that is your desire. Just to complain a lot. You're not a brit by chance?
Seems this thread is all about New Zealand whingers to me.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Seems this thread is all about New Zealand whingers to me.

Stop whinging Berry, It's Easter, celebrate baby Jesus.

[Berries]

They have canceled Easter this year.




They found the body.

[F5 Dave]

Stop whinging Berry, It's Easter, celebrate baby Jesus.

No, no. You have your theology mixed up. Easter isn't about baby Jesus being borne. That's Christmas although at an arbitrary time which just happened to be on a pagan solstice celebration. Easter instead is when we celebrate the killing of the adult Jesus.

There's a bit more about drinking his blood, but let's not confuse the matter.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

No, no. You have your theology mixed up. Easter isn't about baby Jesus being borne. That's Christmas although at an arbitrary time which just happened to be on a pagan solstice celebration. Easter instead is when we celebrate the killing of the adult Jesus.

There's a bit more about drinking his blood, but let's not confuse the matter.

So your telling me I get 2 paid days of work to ride my motor bicycle in celebration of killing a grown up baby Jesus?

[R650R]

There is no defending Twyford. His figures were sheer idiocy. !00,000 houses in ten years. Nobody in the government divided that by 10 to see how many houses they needed to build in a year. Nor did they divide the 10,000 by 52 or they'd have known they needed to be completing near 200 houses per week. He should never be put in charge of anything.

Still, the current Minister of Police is making a strong effort to replace him as the biggest fuck up. Rather than defend her the PM should cut her loose. She's a liability.

The NZ dairy owners president agrees with you. Skip to 5.15 he slips in a cracker at end look at newsreaders eyes respond


https://youtu.be/gEVNR2QaVVE

[R650R]

No, no. You have your theology mixed up. Easter isn't about baby Jesus being borne. That's Christmas although at an arbitrary time which just happened to be on a pagan solstice celebration. Easter instead is when we celebrate the killing of the adult Jesus.

There's a bit more about drinking his blood, but let's not confuse the matter.

Actually in interests of accuracy Easter is when he comes out of cave, they botched the killing. He walks out of that cave like Joan Ferguson on Wentworth crawling out of the forest. That’s when they invented ted the blip blip key finder as he coyldnt temember whete he parked the Holden.


https://youtu.be/s2V2M5vzXX8

[Puddles]

Wowzers what a retarded thread this is.

[Laava]

It's just starting to be fun surely? Although we have swung wildly from how the police are being stripped of their powers to having a holiday in remembrance of one of the religious anecdotes!

[F5 Dave]

Well 3/4 of the world don't celebrate Easter so it shows how ridiculous it all is.

[Laava]

FFS! What's not to like about a bunny laying chocolate eggs in obscure places?

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

The police minister may be on borrowed time and may be replaced before next election

But..

The police are responsible for there own operations, the government is there to put pressure on the police if there not doing there job.

Neither the government nor police are doing there jobs effectively.

I still believe the police can lead the way, they don't, or they won't.

Unfortunately its the world we live in today, instead of some pepper spray to the face, they are taught to de escalate the situation by putting a gentle hand on the back and ask the offender "are you okay bro?" Let's hop in the car, because I care".

It's the end of western civilization..



https://youtu.be/XatCv5jfcYU

[pritch]

Interesting response. I might try that next time the Jehova's Witnesses drop by?

[pete376403]

FFS! What's not to like about a bunny laying chocolate eggs in obscure places?

"easter" from oestrus "noun, a recurring period of sexual receptivity and fertility in many female mammals; heat. "a mare in oestrus" - so celebrating sex and birth. Symbolism of rabbits - "fuck like rabbits", chocolate because it's a well known aphrodisiac.
Just part of the well known christian habit of tacking some religious crap onto a previously known pagan celebration (eg saturnalia = christmas) in this case taking a well known and probably strongly supported celebration of sex and associating it with (supposed) rebirth of jesus


https://www.psychologytoday.com/nz/blog/the-political-animal/201404/easter-and-estrus

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Saturnalia-Roman-festival

[Berries]

Amen sister,

[F5 Dave]

Using same source as Pete


https://www.britannica.com/topic/Sol-Invictus

[rastuscat]

Back on task.

People have defaulted to the Police when it comes to road safety. I used to work in Road Policing, now I work in road safety. There's a huge difference.

Road Policing involves a lot of things that doesn't have much relationship to road safety. For example, louts who do laps of the four aves in Chch are at little risk of crashing, but they piss people off, so people expect the Police to do something about it. Another example is the expectation of the courts that the Police will impound cars driven by people who are subject to a court order such as disqualification.

These things are important, but have little to do with road safety.

In addition, Road Policing staff are frequently seconded off to shore up holes in the thin blue line. Examples include being used as scene guards at crime scenes, and more recently MIQ roles.

Because Policing is a vast role, and road safety often falls victim to the non road safety things expected of the police. For example, the road policing breath testing, a very misunderstood topic, has taken a significant hit in numbers in recent years, as staff are directed to other priorities.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, perhaps it's timely to consider ring fencing some resources, painting the cars black and white, and going back to the days where traffic cops were traffic cops, and the Police did all the other stuff.

I'm the first to say that the old days weren't always good, given that we killed far more people per km travelled back then.

But a branch distinct from the current blue team is worth considering.

[caseye]

Back on task.

People have defaulted to the Police when it comes to road safety. I used to work in Road Policing, now I work in road safety. There's a huge difference.

Road Policing involves a lot of things that doesn't have much relationship to road safety. For example, louts who do laps of the four aves in Chch are at little risk of crashing, but they piss people off, so people expect the Police to do something about it. Another example is the expectation of the courts that the Police will impound cars driven by people who are subject to a court order such as disqualification.

These things are important, but have little to do with road safety.

In addition, Road Policing staff are frequently seconded off to shore up holes in the thin blue line. Examples include being used as scene guards at crime scenes, and more recently MIQ roles.

Because Policing is a vast role, and road safety often falls victim to the non road safety things expected of the police. For example, the road policing breath testing, a very misunderstood topic, has taken a significant hit in numbers in recent years, as staff are directed to other priorities.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, perhaps it's timely to consider ring fencing some resources, painting the cars black and white, and going back to the days where traffic cops were traffic cops, and the Police did all the other stuff.

I'm the first to say that the old days weren't always good, given that we killed far more people per km travelled back then.

But a branch distinct from the current blue team is worth considering.


100% with you on this Rastus!
Lets hate on the TO's not our Police men and woman.:innocent:

[sugilite]

Well, they are certainly coming down hard on bollards :innocent:

https://resources.stuff.co.nz/content/dam/images/4/y/y/7/b/r/image.related.StuffLandscapeSixteenByNine.1240x700 .4yy7bu.png/1650080782586.jpg?format=pjpg&optimize=medium

[Navy Boy]

Back on task.

People have defaulted to the Police when it comes to road safety. I used to work in Road Policing, now I work in road safety. There's a huge difference.

Road Policing involves a lot of things that doesn't have much relationship to road safety. For example, louts who do laps of the four aves in Chch are at little risk of crashing, but they piss people off, so people expect the Police to do something about it. Another example is the expectation of the courts that the Police will impound cars driven by people who are subject to a court order such as disqualification.

These things are important, but have little to do with road safety.

In addition, Road Policing staff are frequently seconded off to shore up holes in the thin blue line. Examples include being used as scene guards at crime scenes, and more recently MIQ roles.

Because Policing is a vast role, and road safety often falls victim to the non road safety things expected of the police. For example, the road policing breath testing, a very misunderstood topic, has taken a significant hit in numbers in recent years, as staff are directed to other priorities.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, perhaps it's timely to consider ring fencing some resources, painting the cars black and white, and going back to the days where traffic cops were traffic cops, and the Police did all the other stuff.

I'm the first to say that the old days weren't always good, given that we killed far more people per km travelled back then.

But a branch distinct from the current blue team is worth considering.

Well said Rastus. I agree 100%. IMHO the Police often the rough end of this particular stick as they are blamed for a whole bunch of factors which simply aren't down to them to own.

I've long held the belief that simply enforcing existing limits and road rules more effectively would go a very long way to helping bring the road toll down and making the roads a better and safer place to be. Sadly this involves extra resource and cost which few are willing to entertain... :weird:

[pritch]

"easter" from oestrus "noun, a recurring period of sexual receptivity and fertility in many female mammals; heat. "a mare in oestrus" - so celebrating sex and birth. Symbolism of rabbits - "fuck like rabbits", chocolate because it's a well known aphrodisiac.


The chocolate is a relatively recent addition. Then again any, excuse to eat chocolate eh?
People in Europe used to paint hens eggs. Then there was Faberge...

https://www.faberge.com/the-world-of-faberge/the-imperial-eggs

[F5 Dave]

Didn't they make Brut33 in the 80s?



Actually I'm aware it is still made. I bought some when we were laving the bikes at Milford sound. I covered the bike in a sheet and dosed it with chilli powder and emptied a can of Brut33 over it. Not sure if it worked but the bikes were Kea free when we returned.

[Berries]

People have defaulted to the Police when it comes to road safety. I used to work in Road Policing, now I work in road safety. There's a huge difference.
Road policing has gone backwards compared to 10 or 15 years ago. You can blame the various road policing managers who have come and gone since the Fitz/Cliff/Griffiths days but to be honest as they are funded for road safety directly by NZTA you have to say that it is NZTA that have dropped the ball with their management of it.

I used to think road safety coordinators were a bit of a sideline add on to give out the warm fuzzies and embossed pens. I have finally come round to the conclusion that education is the only solution. The country is about to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on engineering a tiny proportion of the road network that even then won't stop fatal crashes when really that money should be targeted at 14 to 25 year olds with intensive and ongoing compulsory defensive driving courses and education about what happens when it goes wrong. IMHO.

I think everyone over 25 should be written off as set in their ways and we just concentrate on new drivers and make them jump through hoops to try and stop them fucking themselves and their friends up.

[pritch]

Road policing has gone backwards compared to 10 or 15 years ago. You can blame the various road policing managers who have come and gone since the Fitz/Cliff/Griffiths days but to be honest as they are funded for road safety directly by NZTA you have to say that it is NZTA that have dropped the ball with their management of it.



It's possible that an ambitious politician will step up who decides that the solution is a seperate road traffic police force.

[Berries]

Nah, road safety is exaggerated. Shit happens generally due to stupidity and people die. The problem is there are too many people feeding from the road safety trough, like myself.

Apart from dealing with new drivers and giving them a proper grounding in the necessary skills I would move all the money from road safety to deal with mental health and suicide prevention and let Darwin take all the fuckwits. As a whole the country is pouring billions into a lost cause. Death on the road is inevitable. While it may be considered unacceptable to some that view point ignores a number of realities that are borne out at fatal crash sites around the country on a weekly basis. Accept that and we can move on and deal with it. Ignore it and you come up with crap like ghost chips.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Beat this one Christchurch!
https://youtu.be/U06d40n1wEY

[jellywrestler]

But a branch distinct from the current blue team is worth considering.

so can you tell me why they don't use cameras to enforce the law?

If the front line used cameras to record an offence, then issue the ticket to the person then the evidence gained should mean the cop involved is now free to go back to policing instead of having to muck around appearing in court etc.

Is this the reason the cops can't be bothered policing much other than speed as with that they have an electronic back up and once the ticket is issued they have little or nothing to do with that offence, it's handled by other staff, courts etc

[rastuscat]

so can you tell me why they don't use cameras to enforce the law?

The issue is Section 118 of the Land Transport Act 1998.

The registered owner of a vehicle is required to give details of the driver only in very specific circumstances. It's not as easy as everyone thinks.

https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1998/0110/latest/DLM435112.html

[F5 Dave]

To be honest that was a really good wheelie. You dont get to do near vertical without crossing the line from time to time.

[husaberg]

To be honest that was a really good wheelie. You dont get to do near vertical without crossing the line from time to time.

Granted, not sure why he took his foot off the peg unless it was style points as it stopped his covering the brake.

[Berries]

Granted, not sure why he took his foot off the peg unless it was style points as it stopped his covering the brake.
Ankle bracelet.

[husaberg]

Ankle bracelet.

I never considered it could have been Clarke Gayford.

[R650R]

Great to see some sort of result appearing in this incident....

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/300571245/further-arrests-made-in-boy-racer-milk-tanker-ambush-case

With regards to jelly’s tech post I also wonder why they don’t use cell data for these gatherings and then S&sv act read all the self incriminating txt messages....

[F5 Dave]

Knobblies on the road are not happy bedfellows.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

I'm very much a novice, but if you're riding in a tight formation and one guy makes a mistake I believe he takes down several other riders?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/watch-crash-leaves-killer-beez-gang-members-bikes-strewn-across-highway-on-annual-meeting-ride/CDZXVMS6NYY7XWOBNNF5EOQP7M/

*Credit to see police out in force in South Auckland.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

I'm very much a novice, but if you're riding in a tight formation and one guy makes a mistake I believe he takes down several other riders?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/watch-crash-leaves-killer-beez-gang-members-bikes-strewn-across-highway-on-annual-meeting-ride/CDZXVMS6NYY7XWOBNNF5EOQP7M/

*Credit to see police out in force in South Auckland.
Or maybe doing wheelies while lane filtering doesn't help....

[Berries]

To be fair it did look like a tight corner on a narrow road.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Just thought I'd update, while on my motorcycle travels around Auckland I have noticed a noticeable increase in police presence, no doubt they have been reading this thread and have decided to get there a into g

Your welcome.

[pete376403]

After their initial misadventures it looks like the popo are giving Transmission Gully road a miss, judging by the large number of burnout and spin tracks on the northound lanes between Porirua and Pauatahanui today

[jellywrestler]

The issue is Section 118 of the Land Transport Act 1998.

The registered owner of a vehicle is required to give details of the driver only in very specific circumstances. It's not as easy as everyone thinks.

https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1998/0110/latest/DLM435112.html

my question re cameras is more as to why don't they use them for offences they actually ticket people for and pull them over, Having video evidence passed onto people other than police means the police can get back on the beat, instead of being dragged into court when challenged?

[F5 Dave]

Just thought I'd update, while on my motorcycle travels around Auckland I have noticed a noticeable increase in police presence, no doubt they have been reading this thread and have decided to get there a into g

Your welcome.
The Grammar Police have also scaled up thier operations again. You will receive an infringement notice for your last sentence. :Police:

[husaberg]

The Grammar Police have also scaled up thier operations again. You will receive an infringement notice for your last sentence. :Police:

Where is hitcher?

[sugilite]

The Grammar Police have also scaled up thier operations again. You will receive an infringement notice for your last sentence. :Police:

Yeah, those bastards were gone for a period, but I just got done for not coming to a full stop :angry2:

[R650R]

They don’t muck about in Oz and even their leadership backs up their officers actions....
I’m sure whoopi Goldberg approves too lol


https://youtu.be/5wSZR1AHZJ4

[Beekeeper]

They don’t muck about in Oz and even their leadership backs up their officers actions....
I’m sure whoopi Goldberg approves too lol



They should give that bloke an award for making the news and selling a lot of advertising space plus the coppers love this stuff; they live to dress up and play rambo.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

"QUICKLY! EVERYONE ACT LIKE YOUR DOING SOMETHING!..."

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/government-562-million-police-crime-package-amid-gang-guns-ram-raid-spree/7BZYOI7CRY3RH5JQYRSG7YBG4Q/

[caseye]

"QUICKLY! EVERYONE ACT LIKE YOUR DOING SOMETHING!..."

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/government-562-million-police-crime-package-amid-gang-guns-ram-raid-spree/7BZYOI7CRY3RH5JQYRSG7YBG4Q/

A quote from stupid bitch Poto, isn't IT!????:baby::baby: