Isle of Man TT 2022

[SaferRides]

How did people watch it this year? No coverage on Sky.

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[george formby]

How did people watch it this year? No coverage on Sky.

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My youtube "selection" has been inundated with live streams, highlights, vlogs and interviews. T'was the same with the NW200.

[ducatilover]

I purchased a live pass from the IOM TT site. Well worth it

[Dadpole]

The live pass was very tempting, but the viewing times were wrong for me. I ended up getting the live pass footage a couple of hours after televising anyway. long periods between races, but great viewing nonetheless.

[WNJ]

I purchased a live pass from the IOM TT site. Well worth it

I did the same ,great watching :Punk:

[SaferRides]

Thanks everyone, I haven't watched any of it yet. I also found out that highlights only are on ITV, but you need a VPN.



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[Ruahine]

You can watch highlights on the official TT youtube channel

https://www.youtube.com/c/TTRacesOfficial

The TT+ coverage was great. Around $40 to watch all the races (I watched the recording the next day) as well as the rider interviews.

[roogazza]

No one talking about the five, 5 ,(was it ? ) dead ones ???????

A father and son team too, that'll be a Funeral and a half....

Worst racing deaths at the TT since 1989 it has been reported !!!!!

The ACU are going to have heaps of pressure on them after the 2022 races ? :confused: :no:

[pritch]

No one talking about the five, 5 ,(was it ? ) dead ones ???????

A father and son team too, that'll be a Funeral and a half....

Worst racing deaths at the TT since 1989 it has been reported !!!!!

The ACU are going to have heaps of pressure on them after the 2022 races ? :confused: :no:

Graeme Crosby was on TV One News wondering if it was time to give it away. The Brit moto journos: Oxley, Emmett, etc, were quoting statistics of deaths caused by horse riding and mountain climbing. Both of which make the TT look safe as houses. So to speak.

[JimO]

Graeme Crosby was on TV One News wondering if it was time to give it away. The Brit moto journos: Oxley, Emmett, etc, were quoting statistics of deaths caused by horse riding and mountain climbing. Both of which make the TT look safe as houses. So to speak.
the TT is a easy target for the wowsers

[F5 Dave]

Wouldn't call Croz a wowser considering his record there. Perhaps you have more experience?

[sidecar bob]

Wouldn't call Croz a wowser considering his record there. Perhaps you have more experience?

I would however regard his ramblings on the topic as out of date, emotive, and irrelevant to the situation, but exactly what the media required to create a saleable story that supported their agenda.

[F5 Dave]

To be fair I didn't see it, because, who watches TV these days? But just saying. . .

[SaferRides]

Sky are showing the ITV race highlights over the next 2 nights. Not sure why the delay - maybe they ordered them on DVD?

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[Reckless]

Graeme Crosby was on TV One News wondering if it was time to give it away. The Brit moto journos: Oxley, Emmett, etc, were quoting statistics of deaths caused by horse riding and mountain climbing. Both of which make the TT look safe as houses. So to speak.

Yeh I saw theatCroz interview and agree he wasn't saying stop he was saying he certainly wouldn't go and maybe time to stop it (fence sitting a bit).
Implying modern bikes have just got so fast it may be time where risk vs reward is reached its balance point.
Well that's what I got out of it.

I can see the reasoning.
We are just lucky our street race tracks are so damn short we haven't got that point where terminal velocity means you die if you fall.
Two dead from one side car prang is not a good look and being in the same family is a double wammy.

I think the TT will go for next year but if there are another 5 gone Croz will have hit the nail on the head.
It is bloody mad crazy fast.

[onearmedbandit]

I can't see the reasoning. As a good friend said to me last night, "I'd never do it but I sure wouldn't stop anyone else from doing it". I don't understand why people who are not affected by an event seem to think they should have input into whether others do it or not.

[Reckless]

I can't see the reasoning. As a good friend said to me last night, "I'd never do it but I sure wouldn't stop anyone else from doing it". I don't understand why people who are not affected by an event seem to think they should have input into whether others do it or not.

Fair comment and I agree
The danger is if there are to many fatalities next year someone might step in and decide these crazy characters need protecting from themselves.
Risk vs reward might start effecting entries as well :( It is a cult tho it seems if you go you have big balls and you bloody well have :headbang:
There is a few posties that wont race Whanganui and a couple that wont race Puke even over here LOL

Each to their own I guess. I do admire everyone who slings there leg over a seat for a lap around the TT :devil2:

[george formby]

I can't see the reasoning. As a good friend said to me last night, "I'd never do it but I sure wouldn't stop anyone else from doing it". I don't understand why people who are not affected by an event seem to think they should have input into whether others do it or not.

This conversation is being held all over teh internets. I suspect it's due to the TT being so spectacular and growing in world wide popularity due to the internet. Netizens think they have a right to an opinion..

To my mind it's not possible to discuss TT safety without broadening the conversation to include all the other high risk sports which do not have the same level of coverage or appeal.

IIRC the average lifespan of a professional wingsuit flyer is 10 years.. Don't quote me, read it on the internet.

We should discuss banning mountain's, too. Bloody steep, dangerous things, people are always falling off them.

[jellywrestler]

This conversation is being held all over teh internets. I suspect it's due to the TT being so spectacular and growing in world wide popularity due to the internet. Netizens think they have a right to an opinion..

To my mind it's not possible to discuss TT safety without broadening the conversation to include all the other high risk sports which do not have the same level of coverage or appeal.

what people fail to take into account with the TT is that the meeting is two weeks long, with hundreds of entrants, and it runs twice a year with the manx grand prix/classic tt as well, So. statistically other risky places might only run for one weekend, maybe a four day event, with half the riders, not an apples for apples balance there.

[jellywrestler]

F
There is a few posties that wont race Whanganui and a couple that wont race Puke even over here LOL


half of them are too scared to say the wife won't let them out at christmas, but blame the circuit for that.

[SaferRides]

2022 was always likely to be a bad year for accidents as it's the first TT for 3 years. The IoM has its own government, so it's unlikely to stop as it must be a major source of income for the island. But it can't continue at 5 + deaths a year.

I used to be anti until I watched Closer to the Edge, and gained some understanding of why people do it. It's probably the motorcycling equivalent of an extreme sport.

There have been serious efforts by the organisers to make it safer, but there will always be crashes, and they are unlikely to end well.

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[onearmedbandit]

But it can't continue at 5 + deaths a year.



Serious question. Why can't it? No one is forced to race there, they're adults choosing to compete for their own reasons.

[F5 Dave]

Ohh. 5 points for saying "The throttle works both ways"

But seriously, home sick, now I've just spent a while watching wing suit flying. How do they not hit badly placed trees? Maybe they do occasionally.

[sidecar bob]

A current TT competitor remarked to me recently "if I crash to my death at the TT my last thought won't be, well this seems an impossible outcome"

[pete376403]

On average, 5 people die every year attempting to climb Mt Everest. Climbers are so accepting of this that they have no issue stepping over dead or dying people. No shortage of people lining up to make the attempt, and no (afaik) internet outrage.

You pays your money and you takes your choice,

[F5 Dave]

Wife bought me that Inglis book where they couldn't save that climber and there was outrage including Hillary. Jeez its not like he was the person to go, hey, we've got spare capacity to sling you over my shoulder.

Haven't read it. Probably still sick tomorrow. Don't think I'll start it. More likely to sneak into the garage and strip a dirtbike engine if I have the energy.

Or go onto wingsuit jump sites and give my opinion on how they should be more responsible and not scare birds.

[JimO]

Wouldn't call Croz a wowser considering his record there. Perhaps you have more experience?
my comment had nothing to do with croz, i was just pointing out that the "ban everything" crowd will be itching to put a end to the carnage at the TT

[SaferRides]

Sky can't even show the races in order.

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[Saul123]

I would however regard his ramblings on the topic as out of date, emotive, and irrelevant to the situation, but exactly what the media required to create a saleable story that supported their agenda.

Totally Agree.

[SaferRides]

Serious question. Why can't it? No one is forced to race there, they're adults choosing to compete for their own reasons.Simply because there is a point at which it could not continue because of the death rate.

I expect this year was an outlier and it will be lower next year.

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[jellywrestler]

there were zero road deaths during the TT event this year, that's a first for a long time, and that's something that directly effects the locals as there have been times some have been innocent victims. So 5 dead is quite a bit less than the usual statistics so it was a very good event looking at the overall picture.
It depends on how you read the stats simply.

[roogazza]

2022 was always likely to be a bad year for accidents as it's the first TT for 3 years. The IoM has its own government, so it's unlikely to stop as it must be a major source of income for the island. But it can't continue at 5 + deaths a year.

I used to be anti until I watched Closer to the Edge, and gained some understanding of why people do it. It's probably the motorcycling equivalent of an extreme sport.

There have been serious efforts by the organisers to make it safer, but there will always be crashes, and they are unlikely to end well.

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Yes the locals probably enjoy the income , but hey, in this fucked up world everyones trying to save us from ourselves. eg all the wringing of hands and the dropping of speed limits in our fine country!

It's a different style of racing ,one where you race the clock and the requirement to know the piece of road is a mammoth task. What is it about 27 miles to remember ???

I'd like it to stay , but wouldn't attempt myself. (tho once thought about it lol)

[sidecar bob]

Yes the locals probably enjoy the income , but hey, in this fucked up world everyones trying to save us from ourselves. eg all the wringing of hands and the dropping of speed limits in our fine country!

It's a different style of racing ,one where you race the clock and the requirement to know the piece of road is a mammoth task. What is it about 27 miles to remember ???

I'd like it to stay , but wouldn't attempt myself. (tho once thought about it lol)

It's 37.75 miles, or 60.76km.
I'd say remembering the course is something consistent, and learned quite early. It's the variables that cause the issues, such as changing light, inconsistent grip, stray wildlife, mechanical failure etc.
I know of people that have been harmed or killed by each of the things I mentioned.
Nobody ever says, I forgot where the course went next.

[jellywrestler]

It's 37.75 miles, or 60.76km.
I'd say remembering the course is something consistent, and learned quite early. It's the variables that cause the issues, such as changing light, inconsistent grip, stray wildlife, mechanical failure etc.
I know of people that have been harmed or killed by each of the things I mentioned.
Nobody ever says, I forgot where the course went next.

Kiwi Mike Adler did at Glen Helen, turned right instead of left on the last lap.
Of course he couldn't say he forgot, he was dead.

[sidecar bob]

Kiwi Mike Adler did at Glen Helen, turned right instead of left on the last lap.
Of course he couldn't say he forgot, he was dead.

So he had done practice week, and most of a race & then got it wrong?
Do you think he suddenly forgot?

[george formby]

Interview with the IoM Chief Minister.


https://youtu.be/fszqyCXSPHU

[Berries]

I used to be anti.
You have often surprised me with the unusual mix of your user name, some of your comments and fact you ride an R1. This comment did it again.

Why do you have an R1?

It's rhetorical, you don't have to answer. I just think that if you have a sports bike you need to ride it like a sports bike and doing a road with no speed limit, no oncoming traffic and no chance of losing your licence is some kind of fucking nirvana.

[roogazza]

It's 37.75 miles, or 60.76km.
I'd say remembering the course is something consistent, and learned quite early. It's the variables that cause the issues, such as changing light, inconsistent grip, stray wildlife, mechanical failure etc.
I know of people that have been harmed or killed by each of the things I mentioned.
Nobody ever says, I forgot where the course went next.

Oops sorry my bad I was mixed up with Marathons I used to run (27miles).... Dave Hissy said he tried to learn it in sections and he had some good results there ?

I must say I knew the Rimutakas ,every inch of it but that was a lifetime of riding it (like 50 years !).
That is also only 10 miles ! haha and there's no prize money there either !!!!
But yes,its the weather and everything else that can catch you out. :confused: :mellow:

[onearmedbandit]

Simply because there is a point at which it could not continue because of the death rate.



I wonder what that number is. And who decides.

[sidecar bob]

I wonder what that number is. And who decides.

Well to put some perspective on it, I personally know more people that have died of cancer Iin my hometown than have died at the TT this year, what are the government going to do about what?
There's a lot they can do that they aren't currently.

[onearmedbandit]

Well to put some perspective on it, I personally know more people that have died of cancer Iin my hometown than have died at the TT this year, what are the government going to do about what?
There's a lot they can do that they aren't currently.

Exactly. People die of all sorts of causes, and lots could be done. But do we really want that sort of society?

[eldog]

my comment had nothing to do with croz, i was just pointing out that the "ban everything" crowd will be itching to put a end to the carnage at the TT

And to motorcycling in general, they will price us out of existence

or most other types of risk taking.

hate to see what happens if this War starts to escalate..... into a global mess.


people are starting to talk of massive recession looming. That will hurt motorcycle industry bad.

[jellywrestler]

So he had done practice week, and most of a race & then got it wrong?
Do you think he suddenly forgot?

I did over 1000miles on the isle of man running in 10 bikes, could grab one anytime and ride, why wouldn't you.
Everytime up through Sarahs for quite a few laps there was a grey thatched roof that caught my eye, looked like a road, that momentary thing could do quite a lot. Imagine how tired you are riding a two stroke in 1977 five laps and doing another, who knows?

[SaferRides]

I've recorded all of the races that Sky have shown and am watching them in order. The Supersport was close.

Anyone know why they shortened the Supersport and Superstock races to 3 laps?

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[sidecar bob]

I did over 1000miles on the isle of man running in 10 bikes, could grab one anytime and ride, why wouldn't you.
Everytime up through Sarahs for quite a few laps there was a grey thatched roof that caught my eye, looked like a road, that momentary thing could do quite a lot. Imagine how tired you are riding a two stroke in 1977 five laps and doing another, who knows?

I would call that kind of crash fatigue related, which killed a lot of people until early morning practice was abolished in 2004
Tired mechanics working all night, and tired riders practicing at 5am was a recipie for disaster.

[sidecar bob]

I've recorded all of the races that Sky have shown and am watching them in order. The Supersport was close.

Anyone know why they shortened the Supersport and Superstock races to 3 laps?

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To make up for lost time lost by incidents and wether.

[SaferRides]

You have often surprised me with the unusual mix of your user name, some of your comments and fact you ride an R1. This comment did it again.

Why do you have an R1?

It's rhetorical, you don't have to answer. I just think that if you have a sports bike you need to ride it like a sports bike and doing a road with no speed limit, no oncoming traffic and no chance of losing your licence is some kind of fucking nirvana.

Funnily enough, no one has ever asked me that question.



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[jellywrestler]

I would call that kind of crash fatigue related, which killed a lot of people until early morning practice was abolished in 2004
Tired mechanics working all night, and tired riders practicing at 5am was a recipie for disaster.

the first TT's had practice at 3 am. I was up everyday at 3 am for practice, first bike in the queue was first on the road, meant most laps practice. The rider of course didn't need to be there at that time.

[roogazza]

the first TT's had practice at 3 am. I was up everyday at 3 am for practice, first bike in the queue was first on the road, meant most laps practice. The rider of course didn't need to be there at that time.

Jeeezus Spyda, I wouldn't want to be the first ones thru when the road opened !
Often wondered how the road is cleared???

[jellywrestler]

Jeeezus Spyda, I wouldn't want to be the first ones thru when the road opened !
Often wondered how the road is cleared???

wasn't going to argue with Robert Holden, he'd been there more than me

[SaferRides]

I've watched everything that was on Sky. They couldn't even be bothered changing the titles to be what actually happened. Didn't show the Supertwins either.

Only 2 different winners on the bikes. That must be unusual. Dean Harrison was unlucky with the bird strike, but he was probably 2nd fastest anyway.

But watching MD on the R6 had to be the highlight.



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