Beware near Teslas (if they allow autopilot in NZ)

[pzkpfw]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/300655592/us-agency-probes-tesla-crashes-that-killed-2-motorcyclists


Two crashes involving Teslas apparently running on Autopilot are drawing scrutiny from US federal regulators and point to a potential new hazard: The partially automated vehicles may not stop for motorcycles.

[george formby]

There are a remarkable number of Tesla's on the road round here and I can't help but notice a significant number of them ignore the centre line and wander about a lot.

I doubt it's the computers fault.

Probably got Netflix on.

[F5 Dave]

We were in Grey (the trendy Wairarapa one) in the school holidays to see the mid winter lights. One moved out of a carpark to be replaced by another 30 seconds later.

I only learnt how to recognise them recently as I really pay fuk all attention to cars. Then I realised there are heaps of the things here in the Hutt. Who has that much money to waste on a woke status symbol?

[Laava]

Yep, they are loads of them here in whangarei as well and I am afraid it is a big yes to them driving autonomously. Although I have no idea if that applies to them across the board…

[Viking01]

Yep, they are loads of them here in whangarei as well and I am afraid it is a big yes to them driving autonomously. Although I have no idea if that applies to them across the board…

Evening,

Understand that the Tesla AutoPilot implementation varies across market, and is subject to national approval.
e.g.

1. A friend in Tokyo (who has one on order) advised me that there has yet to be any approval for AutoPilot in Japan.

2. While a full version of AutoPilot is apparently available in the US, only a limited version of AutoPilot is deployed in the EU.
This has been confirmed by two family members, one in Denmark and the other in the Netherlands.

https://www.thatteslachannel.com/the-difference-of-tesla-autopilot-in-europe/

[Laava]

My daughter in law was telling me about her ride in one around our rural area where her friend set the navigation up and did not touch anything at all during the entire trip. Freaked our girl out and have to admit to bein surprised that it is here in any form.

[nerrrd]

Apparently Teslas only use cameras for obstacle recognition, maybe the tiny rear lights that motorcycles tend to favour aren't helping?

But the whole self-driving thing is proving to be just another step too far. I'm tired of technology promising me flying cars, fusion energy, space-planes, etc etc and all I ever got is a mobile phone.

Also Elon doesn't care how many eggs he breaks on the way to making his omelettes. Can't wait until the first of his 33-engined boosters properly explodes, that's going to be something to see!

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Great thread! I own 2 Teslas (and a Honda CBR)

There fantastic cars, it feels like a new car every time I drive it!

Maintenance you say? What maintenance! It doesn't have a fucken engine or transmission..haha brilliant absolutely brilliant!!

When full self automated driving becomes legal in NZ I expect life to be much safer as a motorcyclist, because cagers are the worst of all animals in controlling there shit .

Disclaimer: I own a large position of TSLA stock and call options.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Great thread! I own 2 Teslas (and a Honda CBR)

There fantastic cars, it feels like a new car every time I drive it!

Maintenance you say? What maintenance! It doesn't have a fucken engine or transmission..haha brilliant absolutely brilliant!!

When full self automated driving becomes legal in NZ I expect life to be much safer as a motorcyclist, because cagers are the worst of all animals in controlling there shit .

Disclaimer: I own a large position of TSLA stock and call options.
I used the word cagers, that means I'm down with the cool hip biker community.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Apparently Teslas only use cameras for obstacle recognition, maybe the tiny rear lights that motorcycles tend to favour aren't helping?

But the whole self-driving thing is proving to be just another step too far. I'm tired of technology promising me flying cars, fusion energy, space-planes, etc etc and all I ever got is a mobile phone.

Also Elon doesn't care how many eggs he breaks on the way to making his omelettes. Can't wait until the first of his 33-engined boosters properly explodes, that's going to be something to see!

Teslas don't use cameras, they use a new technology in a micro chip called Dojo.

It's an artificial intelligence neural technology based off the human eye and it's ability to transfer it's information to the brain, the Dojo technology works in that way and is almost complete.

It's design will make it millions more times safer and faster than the human animal, were to slow to react to a motorcyclist pulling out from a blind spot, the technology will see through the blind spot.

It would most likely be about 2025 onwards before being accepted around the world and there governor road bodies.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Don't be afraid of new technology people, it's coming, like it or not, embrace it or get left behind.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

My daughter in law was telling me about her ride in one around our rural area where her friend set the navigation up and did not touch anything at all during the entire trip. Freaked our girl out and have to admit to bein surprised that it is here in any form.
FSD isn't available outside north America, and only a select number have access to it for development and testing.

So it's impossible for Teslas to drive on rural or inner city roads in NZ by itself, some do have hands free motorway similar to hands free cruise control if it alows you.

There was an early version of self parking which some modern cars already have.

[nerrrd]

Teslas don't use cameras, they use a new technology in a micro chip called Dojo.

It's an artificial intelligence neural technology based off the human eye and it's ability to transfer it's information to the brain, the Dojo technology works in that way and is almost complete.

It's design will make it millions more times safer and faster than the human animal, were to slow to react to a motorcyclist pulling out from a blind spot, the technology will see through the blind spot.

It would most likely be about 2025 onwards before being accepted around the world and there governor road bodies.

Still a form of image recognition though? As opposed to the radar based technologies used originally by Tesla and still used by others.

I've no doubt the technology is possible in time...just not in time for me to see it become the norm (and therefore accessible to me lol).

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a36542541/tesla-model-3-model-y-pure-vision/

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

I've no doubt the technology is possible in time...just not in time for me to see it become the norm (and therefore accessible to me lol).



Already here and advancing week by week, I'd expect it to be released worldwide by 2025 and become mainstream by 2030 if not earlier.
(Don't forget how fast the smart phone over took our lives in less than a decade)

Cost won't be an issue because many city people will just hail a Tesla, more affordable to be chauffeured for cents in the dollar.

The downside is this technology will wipe out not all but much of the Transport industry, Automotive technicians, panel and paint industries.

Unfortunately as of the turn of the 18th century, in the dawn of the industrial age, technology has a price to pay.

Humans are resolute, the workers in this industry will survive and move onto other industries.

[husaberg]

Teslas don't use cameras, they use a new technology in a micro chip called Dojo.

It's an artificial intelligence neural technology based off the human eye and it's ability to transfer it's information to the brain, the Dojo technology works in that way and is almost complete.

It's design will make it millions more times safer and faster than the human animal, were to slow to react to a motorcyclist pulling out from a blind spot, the technology will see through the blind spot.

It would most likely be about 2025 onwards before being accepted around the world and there governor road bodies.

This is pretty wrong
https://hackernoon.com/all-you-need-to-know-about-the-tesla-dojo-supercomputer


In other words, Dojo is a supercomputer built by tesla to train its neural networks algorithms and Machine Learning models in a faster and more efficient way.
it uses old video data to train and still uses camera data for responses.

[Laava]

FSD isn't available outside north America, and only a select number have access to it for development and testing.

So it's impossible for Teslas to drive on rural or inner city roads in NZ by itself, some do have hands free motorway similar to hands free cruise control if it alows you.

There was an early version of self parking which some modern cars already have.
Seems we have had it since june?

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

This is pretty wrong
https://hackernoon.com/all-you-need-to-know-about-the-tesla-dojo-supercomputer


it uses old video data to train and still uses camera data for responses.
No

It uses Tesla vision, which like the human analysis's what it's looking at, Dojo is it's artificial intelligence neural systems, and makes the decision there and then .

Dojo is basically a creation of the human mind.

It's learning like a child, the data it's using from Tesla drivers around the world and NZ is being sent back to Tesla and I presume downloaded into Dojo.

Ps I didn't read your link, I'm not an AI expert, I just prefer knowing what I'm investing my capital into.

I prefer understanding my information from the primary source, Tesla itself.

Not a link that has smiling emoji's at the end of every paragraph.

[husaberg]

No

It uses Tesla vision, which like the human analysis's what it's looking at, Dojo is it's artificial intelligence neural systems, and makes the decision there and then .

Dojo is basically a creation of the human mind.

It's learning like a child, the data it's using from Tesla drivers around the world and NZ is being sent back to Tesla and I presume downloaded into Dojo.

Ps I didn't read your link, I'm not an AI expert, I just prefer knowing what I'm investing my capital into.

I prefer understanding my information from the primary source, Tesla itself.

Not a link that has smiling emoji's at the end of every paragraph.
if you read my link you would know you were wrong.
A fool and his money.......

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Seems we have had it since june?

You have the option to pre purchase it now, it doesn't mean your able to use it outside of North America.

It's also illegal to not to be in full control of your vehicle.

When it's released in its entirety, it "may" only be available as a subscription.

This will be the end game for many automotive manufacturers, unless they lease the technology of Tesla.

As many are beginning to lease the Teslas super charging network to charge there inferior EVs.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

if you read my link you would know you were wrong.
A fool and his money.......
I have made a substantial return on my capital since 2019.

It was painful that year of 2019 and did feel like a fool when Elon was smoking weed, and the company was bleeding money,
Now Tesla has free cash flow in the billions, and projected to have 10s of billions in free cash flow in the coming years, with a stock buy back on the cards because of too much money.

I currently have had a return of over %1000 .

So who's foolish now?

[husaberg]

I have made a substantial return on my capital since 2019.

It was painful that year of 2019 and did feel like a fool when Elon was smoking weed, and the company was bleeding money,
Now Tesla has free cash flow in the billions, and projected to have 10s of billions in free cash flow in the coming years, with a stock buy back on the cards because of too much money.

I currently have had a return of over %1000 .

So who's foolish now?



Teslas don't use cameras, they use a new technology in a micro chip called Dojo.

It's an artificial intelligence neural technology based off the human eye and it's ability to transfer it's information to the brain, the Dojo technology works in that way and is almost complete.

It's design will make it millions more times safer and faster than the human animal, were to slow to react to a motorcyclist pulling out from a blind spot, the technology will see through the blind spot.

It would most likely be about 2025 onwards before being accepted around the world and there governor road bodies.


This is pretty wrong
https://hackernoon.com/all-you-need-to-know-about-the-tesla-dojo-supercomputer


it uses old video data to train and still uses camera data for responses.



Transitioning to Tesla Vision
We are continuing the transition to Tesla Vision, our camera-based Autopilot system. Model 3 and Model Y vehicles built from June 2022 for the New Zealand market now utilise our camera-based Tesla Vision, which relies on Tesla’s advanced suite of cameras and neural net processing to deliver Autopilot and related features.
Tesla's AI self-driving feature is made of neural networks which are trained on millions of video data so it can become better (remember the more data, the better the AI), and these millions of video data easily become big data and so using GPUs would be inefficient and distributed computing would be great but to train AI on data as big as millions of data videos which are updated daily you'd need a lot of computers as essentially distributed computing is just sharing processing work between a lot of computers and so tesla decided that building a supercomputer would be more efficient both tech-wise and cost-wise and so the Dojo supercomputer was born
The Dojo is a supercomputer built by tesla to train its AI deep neural networks and Machine Learning algorithms.
it goes smoothly the self-driving AI is taking note of its surroundings using an inbuilt camera and sending that video back to Tesla's servers so that data can be used to train it more and in so that way the more people who use the self-driving AI, the more it gets better.
Now back to the Dojo, in theory, when the video data gotten from the car is sent back to Tesla's servers, the Dojo supercomputer then gets hold of that data and uses it to train the neural network which powers the Tesla self-driving AI.
https://www.tesla.com/en_NZ/support/transitioning-tesla-vision



Lets you are quoting technology as being something it is not and refuse to actually read what it is.
Yeah what was i thinking, that's really smart....:shutup:

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

lets you are quoting technoolgly as being something it is not and refuse to actually read what it is.
Yeah what was i thinking thats really smart....:shutup:

I prefer to filter what I read, reading actual facts advances ones knowledge base.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

I prefer to filter what I read, reading actual facts advances ones knowledge base.

I tend to reply relatively quickly, because I already understand what I'm posting about, hence I'm not doing a quick Google search on a topic I absolutely know nothing about.

[husaberg]

I prefer to filter what I read, reading actual facts advances ones knowledge base.

You are an idiot who refuses to admit he is wrong.
Feel free to Read into that what you will.
Reply to yourself a few more times how smart you are. You will be sure to get the feedback you crave.

Personally i wouldnt believe what that psychopath musk says either. but what he says does not back up what you think.
https://electrek.co/2020/08/17/elon-musk-tesla-secret-dojo-ai-training-supercomputer/

n fact, CEO Elon Musk took to Twitter this weekend to try to help recruit people for the program at Tesla:
“Tesla is developing a NN training computer called Dojo to process truly vast amounts of video data. It’s a beast! Please consider joining our AI or computer/chip teams if this sounds interesting.”
Furthermore, the CEO hinted at the computing power of the Dojo computerr:
he says the opposite of what you do about what dojo is.....:2thumbsup


Teslas don't use cameras, they use a new technology in a micro chip called Dojo.

It's an artificial intelligence neural technology based off the human eye and it's ability to transfer it's information to the brain, the Dojo technology works in that way and is almost complete.
It's design will make it millions more times safer and faster than the human animal, were to slow to react to a motorcyclist pulling out from a blind spot, the technology will see through the blind spot.
It would most likely be about 2025 onwards before being accepted around the world and there governor road bodies.
dojo is a supercomputer its not a microchip. it uses the camera information from tesla's sent back to tesla to create responses for future events..
They do this with cameras

https://www.tesla.com/en_NZ/support/transitioning-tesla-vision
We are continuing the transition to Tesla Vision, our camera-based Autopilot system. Model 3 and Model Y vehicles built from June 2022 for the New Zealand market now utilise our camera-based Tesla Vision, which relies on Tesla’s advanced suite of cameras and neural net processing to deliver Autopilot and related features.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

You are an idiot who refuses to admit he is wrong.
Feel free to Read into that what you will.
Reply to yourself a few more times how smart you are. You will be sure to get the feedback you crave.
And there is your typical black t shirt wearing , oily hand, dirty finger nails biker undignified response.

Insult someone who is of a higher intelligence than oneself.

[husaberg]

And there is your typical black t shirt wearing , oily hand, dirty finger nails biker undignified response.

Insult someone who is of a higher intelligence than oneself.

https://www.aerobusinesssolutions.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/elon-musk-wallpaper-1024x576.jpg



CEO Elon Musk teased the paper as “more important than it may seem.”
For years now, Tesla has been teasing the development of a new in-house supercomputer .


one can’t help but wonder about Tesla’s claims regarding Dojo, particularly in light of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration’s (NHTSA) investigation into Tesla’s AutoPilot advanced driver assist system (ADAS) following multiple car crashes, some of which were fatal. As as Wired pointedly noted last April in reference to a fatal crash in Texas involving a Tesla on AutoPilot, “the incident again highlights the still-yawning gap between Tesla’s marketing of its technology and its true capabilities, highlighted in in-car dialog boxes and owners’ manuals.”


https://www.tesla.com/en_NZ/support/transitioning-tesla-vision
We are continuing the transition to Tesla Vision, our camera-based Autopilot system. Model 3 and Model Y vehicles built from June 2022 for the New Zealand market now utilise our camera-based Tesla Vision, which relies on Tesla’s advanced suite of cameras and neural net processing to deliver Autopilot and related features.

[Laava]

So a quick bit of research proves that what we do have in NZ is "Autopilot" which is not quite the same as full self drive. So you can summon your car, and it will follow a programmed route although you are expected to basically have your hands on or over the wheel and I guess, a foot near the brake.
The systems, including the full self drive option, uses 8 cameras around the vehicle monitored by what amounts to a super computer.
Scary shit in a lot of ways. One of the forum guys in auckland was talking about the summon feature where the car just drove straight to him across a supermarket carpark, ignoring all the painted lanes and parks, but swerved to go around a lamp pole.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

So a quick bit of research proves that what we do have in NZ is "Autopilot" which is not quite the same as full self drive. So you can summon your car, and it will follow a programmed route although you are expected to basically have your hands on or over the wheel and I guess, a foot near the brake.
The systems, including the full self drive option, uses 8 cameras around the vehicle monitored by what amounts to a super computer.
Scary shit in a lot of ways. One of the forum guys in auckland was talking about the summon feature where the car just drove straight to him across a supermarket carpark, ignoring all the painted lanes and parks, but swerved to go around a lamp pole.
Yes FSD and self driving is different, both these features are illegal if you are not in control of the car.

To access any of this technology which is incomplete, you need to sign a disclaimer.

If you want to take your hands of the wheel and you kill yourself or someone, you are liable

In other words don't use the fucken technology until it's ready, what's available now is so when it's ready, you can upload it to your car.

If you're driving around hoping the Teslas going to take you home while you're drunk, you will be liable, because you signed a disclaimer.

The technology is not ready, drive the car your self.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

All this anti Tesla sentiment, anti Technology is similar to the industrial Revolution riots.

These were people who lost there jobs and livelihood because the industrial sewing machine was invited.

Or Henry Ford inventing an affordable motorcar to replace horses

Move with the times people.

[george formby]

All this anti Tesla sentiment, anti Technology is similar to the industrial Revolution riots.

These were people who lost there jobs and livelihood because the industrial sewing machine was invited.

Or Henry Ford inventing an affordable motorcar to replace horses

Move with the times people.

Indeed. Tesla has certainly got the ball rolling but my pet Jury is wondering if it's Betamax or VHS.

The big corporations have woken up with a vengeance and seem happy to collaborate on self driving tech, battery platform sharing and charging systems.

Only time will tell who has developed a universal system.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Indeed. Tesla has certainly got the ball rolling but my pet Jury is wondering if it's Betamax or VHS.

The big corporations have woken up with a vengeance and seem happy to collaborate on self driving tech, battery platform sharing and charging systems.

Only time will tell who has developed a universal system.

Yep

Unfortunately for Teslas opposition, Tesla is 10 years ahead.

VW sells 10 petrol cars to Teslas 1 battery car

Problem is Tesla is 10 times more profitable selling 1 car than VWs 10 cars.

There's not much to Teslas besides a powerful computer,Battery, a small electric engine, a single shell chassis, 4 wheels and doors.

Other OEMs are trying to turn a petrol powered car into a Tesla, there having to move backwards to move forward.

Toyota will be the first to go bankrupt, unless these companies like Ford,GM ,Toyota get government help like Holden and Ford did in Australia, these companies will likely go bankrupt before the end of the decade.
And look what happened to Ford and Holden in Oz, extinct with the dinosaurs.

Tesla model Y is already the most profitable ev by margin profitability, It will likely over take Toyotas corolla in 2023 in selling numbers, if not this year.

[F5 Dave]

All this sounds like one of the most successful trolls on KB. Well done.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

All this sounds like one of the most successful trolls on KB. Well done.

No , not at all, just contributing to this particular thread.

Great topic.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

All this sounds like one of the most successful trolls on KB. Well done.

When one is intimated by anothers intelligence, they resort to the "he must be a troll!!" to make up for the lack of intelligence.

Hope this helps.

[husaberg]

When one is intimated by anothers intelligence, they resort to the "he must be a troll!!" to make up for the lack of intelligence.

Hope this helps.

So what does it mean when tesla itself says.

Transitioning to Tesla Vision
https://www.tesla.com/en_NZ/support/transitioning-tesla-vision
We are continuing the transition to Tesla Vision, our camera-based Autopilot system. Model 3 and Model Y vehicles built from June 2022 for the New Zealand market now utilise our camera-based Tesla Vision, which relies on Tesla’s advanced suite of cameras and neural net.


Teslas don't use cameras, they use a new technology in a micro chip called Dojo.


If you are not trolling you must be a bit simple......

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

So what does it mean when tesla itself says.




If you are not trolling you must be a bit simple......

You have me all wrong, you don't realise I have increased the I.Q of this forum since joining it .

Unfortunately, the favour is not returned, since it's very hard to learn new things from current forum members.(besides outdated internet insults, yawn.)

Next time I'll be like you and Google it, and pretend to know what I'm talking about.

[husaberg]

You have me all wrong, you don't realise I have increased the I.Q of this forum since joining it .

Unfortunately, the favour is not returned, since it's very hard to learn new things from current forum members.(besides outdated internet insults, yawn.)

Next time I'll be like you and Google it, and pretend to know what I'm talking about.
You have no need to pretend. you clearly don't know what you are talking about

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

So what does it mean when tesla itself says.




If you are not trolling you must be a bit simple......
On a brighter note, it's great to see you getting information from the actual source, and not strange links to third party sights you tried to get me to chase down a rabbit hole

That's just creepy .

[F5 Dave]

When one is intimated by anothers intelligence, they resort to the "he must be a troll!!" to make up for the lack of intelligence.

Hope this helps.
Yawn. Seen it all before.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

You have no need to pretend. you clearly don't know what you are talking about

Oh but on the contrary

I believe I have turned at least one or two Tesla skeptics into believers,or at least future buyer's.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Yawn. Seen it all before.

Now my superior intellect is starting to make you act and pretend to be like me, a standard reaction in the animal kingdom, similar to a submissive puppy dog yearning for its masters attention.

Good boy, well done.

[husaberg]

axhole used to have a sigma now he claims to have two teslas....

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

axhole used to have a sigma now he claims to have two teslas....

Why yes, well my wife has a Model 3 and I have a Model X.

Does your income not exceed your intelligence, never mind, perhaps inflation will become transitory so you can buy a Corolla.

[F5 Dave]

(Unsubscribe) no humour here. Try harder.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

(Unsubscribe) no humour here. Try harder.

I'm not sure why you would want to unsubscribe, my original post on this thread was very informative, unfortunately certain members became aggressive and began name calling, my following post highlight the possible reasons why.

Alas it was met with further insults

A standard primal defensive reaction when one is lost in a debate or discussion.

Hope this helps.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

(Unsubscribe) Try harder.

I'm always trying harder to be a better version of myself, thanks !

[Laava]

axhole used to have a sigma now he claims to have two teslas....
Axehole or boner?

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Oh tis truly fun to mix and mingle with the lower quarterly of society, friendly banter and poor grammar and all that comradely!

Good times I say, how do you say,inbred in your language?

Tis a wonderous thing this section of society, learning to talk and pretend to be educated past year 8.

Such joy and wonder !!

Don't forget, you can buy the Tesla model Y for 49k with a government subsidies tbc, you'll pay it off in a few years from having no gas bill.

Always here to help!

[JimO]

I used the word cagers, that means I'm down with the cool hip biker community.
i thought it was because you are a ------ insert appropriate word

[pete376403]

Don't forget, you can buy the Tesla model Y for 49k with a government subsidies tbc, you'll pay it off in a few years from having no gas bill.

And when the road user charges are applied (31 March 2024)? And the inevitable electricity price rises (because they can)?

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

And when the road user charges are applied (31 March 2024)? And the inevitable electricity price rises (because they can)?

I can't see them increasing road user charger if they can give petrol a tax cut or increasing energy prices, it defeats the purpose of New Zealands transition to sustainable energy.

Why have the subsidy in the first place, EVs also take the pressure of our farming sector to lower New Zealand's green house emissions.

And our farming sector is our main export, farmers basically saved our ass during COVID.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

I'd say most if not all of you reading this thread will own a Tesla or an inferior alternative by 2030.

An example is over 20 years ago, a large flat screen plasma TV cost around 20k

You can pick those up from $500 today.

Or the smart phone you use today has the same technology that would have cost in excess of a million dollars in 1990 and occupy the space of an entire room, now it fits in your pocket.

Once Tesla has exhausted the upper income bracket of buyers, Tesla will release a 25k car.

Then even biker's can afford it, and it's autonomous driving.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

I'm presuming to keep build cost down the Tesla 25k model won't have a steering wheel or foot pedals.

Just the Dojo technology.

[george formby]

I'm presuming to keep build cost down the Tesla 25k model won't have a steering wheel or foot pedals.

Just the Dojo technology.

EV's at this price are already selling like hot cakes in China and India.

Autonomous driving systems are already fact for freight and heavy mining vehicles in Europe.

Volvo (Chinese owned) has been testing their own autonomous system for a few years now. They had a wee problem when testing in S'traya, the system failed to recognise kangaroos. Bit of a blood bath.

I suspect that freight vehicles will lead the charge, heh, considering that everything around us, including our cars, has been on a truck at some point.

[pete376403]

I can't see them increasing road user charger if they can give petrol a tax cut or increasing energy prices, it defeats the purpose of New Zealands transition to sustainable energy.

Why have the subsidy in the first place, EVs also take the pressure of our farming sector to lower New Zealand's green house emissions.

And our farming sector is our main export, farmers basically saved our ass during COVID.

NZ roads are becoming even more third world due to lack of maintenance as it is - RUCs for non-petrol vehicles are similar to the taxes on petrol, and are intended to be used for road construction and upkeep. If RUC exemptions to EV continue, and more EVS are purchased by wealth(ier) consumers, the burden falls more and more on the people who remain with petrol powered vehicles because that is all they can afford (EV subsidies notwithstanding.) This I suppose is perfectly acceptable to the right wingers.
"Following the introduction of rebates for Electric Vehicles staring this month (up to $8625 for a brand-new Battery Electric Vehicle), the Government has announced that the EV exemption from Road User Charges (RUC) will be extended until 31 March 2024.

This means that EV drivers are in effect excused from making any contribution to the upkeep and maintenance of New Zealand roads. RUCs are usually applied to non-petrol vehicles with the money going into a fund for the "improvement, operation and maintenance of our land transport network," says the Government."

It would also be worth noting that NZ's electricity supply might be marginal for the recharging of all these EVs. This article dates from 2018 - what new generation has been added since then? Or are you banking on Tiwai shutting down and Manapouris power becoming available? https://www.infometrics.co.nz/article/2018-03-big-ev-fleet-can-new-zealands-grid-handle

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Good point Pete

My best guess forcast would be road user charger would be increased upon 80% uptake of EVs , and obviously the remaining 20% being priced into submission.

However

I doubt there will be much of a need to own a vehicle in the cities if cars are autonomous, road user tax would likely be priced into the journey cost or the subscription to use the service,

Less vehicles on the road,less wear and tear on the roads, less accident's,lower ACC premiums and cost, lower emissions helps the farming sector move forward.

Safer for motorcyclist, pedestrians, and cyclists.

4 Fucks sake I'm starting to sound like a fucken greenie.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

If this seems Foreign and scary, just think of a Tesla autonomous subscription similar to a Netflix subscription replacing your Video Ezy membership 10years ago.

[george formby]

Good point Pete

My best guess forcast would be road user charger would be increased upon 80% uptake of EVs , and obviously the remaining 20% being priced into submission.

However

I doubt there will be much of a need to own a vehicle in the cities if cars are autonomous, road user tax would likely be priced into the journey cost or the subscription to use the service,

Less vehicles on the road,less wear and tear on the roads, less accident's,lower ACC premiums and cost, lower emissions helps the farming sector move forward.

Safer for motorcyclist, pedestrians, and cyclists.

4 Fucks sake I'm starting to sound like a fucken greenie.

There is a long way to go before any of this takes effect.

Referencing Pete, electricity capacity is exactly why hydrogen tech is being developed at break neck pace.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

There is a long way to go before any of this takes effect.



Possibly

But It only took Henry Ford less than 11 years to wipe out the horse and cart market.

Horse and carts had been around for 6000 year's.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Referencing Pete, electricity capacity is exactly why hydrogen tech is being developed at break neck pace.

My limited understanding of hydrogen is that although it has more capacity it's not as stable or safe as the electric engine, similar to driving around on top a hydrogen bomb .

Solar power and solar storage would take care of the energy consumption, if the cost of solar panels can come down you have an infinite energy source from the sun .

Tesla has solar storage units that can be installed in homes, Tesla solar roofs need to come down in price to be more widely accepted.

I believe once we solve the energy puzzle, we can continue to be a farming and food producing exporting nation, this keeps us in the wealthy country list.

These are all small steps.

[george formby]

Possibly

But It only took Henry Ford less than 11 years to wipe out the horse and cart market.

Horse and carts had been around for 6000 year's.

To be fair he used steam to develop a production line, streamlining manufacturing. Then he used electricity. He didn't really invent anything, just refined an existing process.
Up to a point, this is true of Tesla as well.

Hydrogen safety is a bit muddied. If a tank is punctured it evaporates faster than it can explode. Toyota have been testing their tanks with armour piercing bullets and when they do eventually puncture, nothing happens.

Any hoo, I'm off topic..... Self driving.

Military tech and hacking have to be factored in.

There is a vid of a Tesla being hacked and driven around a car park in Israel and the driver cannot do a thing about it. Same thing with other manufacturers.

[pete376403]

Safer for motorcyclist, pedestrians, and cyclists..

Isn't this where we came in? (Motorcyclists) beware near Teslas...

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Isn't this where we came in? (Motorcyclists) beware near Teslas...

Have to disagree with you there Pete.

You take the human animal out of the equation, the vehicle can't kill anyone.

Similar to the gun debate, it's the human that pulls the trigger not the gun.

Enter Autonomous driving, no speeding, no drunk driving, no cell phone distraction, no crossing the centre line.

I couldn't imagine a safer environment for the biker community to be in, outside our own dumb arse shit.

[Berries]

Motorbikes are incompatible with the current road safety regime in NZ and allowing them on the road makes a mockery of Road to Zero. When they realise that people are still dying in their droves after the national speed limit has been dropped to 80km/h they will be looking at what else they can do beyond 'safety' cameras. We will end up being priced off the road years before autonomous vehicles become a thing.

I was at a conference about autonomous vehicles in Sydney years ago. Some dude was saying how it would be absolute gridlock in town centres once pedestrians knew that they could step out in front of a vehicle and it would stop for them. There are a few interesting ethical issues to be overcome as well, like the Trolley Problem described here - https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/10/the-ethics-of-autonomous-cars/280360/

Apart from long haul trucks on SH1 I can't see any of this shit happening in NZ in my life time.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Motorbikes are incompatible with the current road safety regime in NZ and allowing them on the road makes a mockery of Road to Zero. When they realise that people are still dying in their droves after the nshit happening in NZ in my life time.

Possible, but just because Ford killed off the horse and cart industry, doesn't mean we don't have a thriving horse industry in New Zealand albeit owned by the wealthy community in New Zealand.

I see should autonomous cars taking over, less motorcycle commuting and increased weekend riders, perhaps by the higher income earners as is happening now with the cost of motorcycle ownership. Young people can't afford to enter the biking community without a large income, life's already expensive enough.

They won't ban cycling or pedestrians walking.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

I was at a conference about autonomous vehicles in Sydney years ago. Some dude was saying how it would be absolute gridlock in town centres once pedestrians knew that they could step out

I'm not sure why anyone would naturally step into a 3 tonne moving object traveling at 45kph, it's still has to stop at that speed.

I'm presuming humans would still have common courtesy for the passengers that may be in the car,and simply use the crossing.

This is unnatural to human instinct and doesn't make sense.

Unlikely, if 80% of car's are autonomous, you have no need for car parks, the space these car parks need would be transformed into safe pickup areas.

Along road sides,car parks etc, look at how much room these car parks take, if autonomous cars are consistently moving you don't need to have car parks, only when there sent home to their owners for charging.

This is the reason many people won't own cars, decreasing traffic to a certain extent.

2 car families become 1 car,1 car families becoming no car or no need to own one because an autonomous subscription is more affordable.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Apart from long haul trucks on SH1 I can't see any of this shit happening in NZ in my life time.

The technology is already here, I'm looking at 2025 before becoming mainstream 2030.

[Viking01]

Good point Pete

My best guess forcast would be road user charger would be increased upon 80% uptake of EVs , and obviously the remaining 20% being priced into submission.

However

I doubt there will be much of a need to own a vehicle in the cities if cars are autonomous, road user tax would likely be priced into the journey cost or the subscription to use the service,

Less vehicles on the road,less wear and tear on the roads, less accident's,lower ACC premiums and cost, lower emissions helps the farming sector move forward.

Safer for motorcyclist, pedestrians, and cyclists.

4 Fucks sake I'm starting to sound like a fucken greenie.

Afternoon.

1. Re post # 56
I'd be interested to see your rationale as to why a supposed reduced need to own (operate?) a car would necessarily translate into (significantly) "fewer cars on the road".

Given that we currently have "peaks of usage" all throughout the business day, how were you envisaging the demand of the working public (those working in a workplace remote from home) travelling back and forth between home and work being met ?

During week-ends, people go shopping, play sport and visit friends and family. During holiday periods, we have significant proportions of the population travelling (plus a more varied travel mix).

In other words, how were you expecting either (i) the "peaks in concurrent daily demand" being flattened, or (ii) the concurrent demand being met ( e.g. via bus / light rail services operating in parallel ; pools of "spare" EV's available to be requested )?

How were you going to service the different geographicareas , so that their individual levels of demand were met ?

I can see "supply vs demand" issues for both high density (high population / short distance commute) and low density (low population / longer distance) areas of population. Rental car and taxi companies currently have enough challenge ensuring adequate supply of vehicles where and when they are wanted. And Uber drivers still probably struggle to achieve economic payback for their vehicle investment.

I can't help thinking that you're possibly overlooking a number of other enablers (technical, infrastructure, social) required to be in place to provide a good working solution across the majority of the country:
e.g.
Technical: Suitable battery manufacture and recycling technology and capability to be available

Infrastructure: Increased / improved electricity generation and reticulation (long distance and local) - plus energy storage (battery) - needed to support vehicle charging

Social: Changes in people's work and social behaviours and transport patterns

2. Re post 59:
You mention Henry Ford and his vehicle plants. I think that you should also acknowledge some other factors which supported rapid adoption of motor vehicles around that time
e.g.
Environmental : In the period 1900-1910, large US cities such as New York were suffering from the number of horses needed for transport, and city roads becoming increasingly fouled by horse manure. Not to mention public health risks. The introduction of cars was a god-send in that respect.

Industrialisation: The increasing level of other industrial development that was happening in the US at that point in time (hence the growing demand for transport).

World War 1: Technological development and spread in response to war.

3. Post # 60:
Hydrogen: I'd disagree with some of your assertions regarding hydrogen. Would be happy to see some links to articles.

Solar: If we were considering solar panels and storage, were you considering this as a means of providing energy for a vehicle alone, or for a vehicle as well as a house / garage ?

If you were going to install a battery to provide energy storage, I'd be interested to see the economics (and your vehicle usage pattern) that justifies that investment decision. Whether for the vehicle alone, or in combination with providing energy to a household.

Cheers, Viking

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Afternoon Viking

I'll answer your questions to the best of my knowledge and understanding.

-Reduced cars, is a result of lower car ownership.

-Peak hour traffic would be peak hour traffic, there's no escaping that, autonomous cars would be summoned on request

-Weekend usage, autonomous cars would be summoned to take families to sports,shopping etc. 2 car families would be 1 car families, 1 car families would be no car families.

-Peaks and usage, were not all on the road at the same time ,obviously peak times would be more busy, but take a look down your street in rush hour, there are still many cars parked in the driveway doing nothing, a wasted resource.

- Geographic areas, my forcast are heavily reliant on large populated urban areas, rural areas would still own there own EV, there low population base does not affect our greenhouse emissions. For once the city dwellers are looking out for country folk.

- Technical/ Batteries and infrastructure. Tesla batteries can last 10 to 15 years, Tesla is in the process of battery recycling, They have 10 to 15 years to build the infrastructure for the recycling of the first generation EV batteries.

-Charging networks are growing around New Zealand, this will expand as EV adoption grows. Easy money for private contractors, I'm guessing the corporations will beat them to it.

- Social changes: We are evolving as a species as technology grows, me communicating with you in this form was unheard of 25 years ago.

-Henry Ford: agree with your point.

- Environmental : interesting point you commented.

- World War 1: I don't doubt that technology especially Artificial intelligence is a danger to human existence, Tesla wants to build a safe humanoid, hopefully one that won't kill us.

- Hydrogen: my comment was preferenced with a limited understanding of Hydrogen engines, However with Tesla aiming for 2 million units this year, it's unlikely other car manufacturers would use Hydrogen as the Teslas electric engine patent has been open sourced to other car manufacturers to allow for the rapid transition to EVs.

- Solar: Tesla has the technology to store the solar roof energy which would be stored in a wall battery to power your house and ev, at this stage I believe it's too expensive, the US has just past a bill to contribute 45k towards home solar energy.

We will move in that direction, I have no time frame on this.

All my responses were from my own knowledge and research as an investor in Tesla.

DISCLAIMER: I hold a large stock position in Tesla .

Hope this helps!

[husaberg]

Axehole or boner?

He said "cagers"so moneys on axehole.
Axehole also had issues with simple words, like "they're" and their.
boner was just simple.
Axhole liked to shag goats Albundy only gets to third base with captive goats.


Great thread! I own 2 Teslas (and a Honda CBR)

There fantastic cars, it feels like a new car every time I drive it!

Maintenance you say? What maintenance! It doesn't have a fucken engine or transmission..haha brilliant absolutely brilliant!!

When full self automated driving becomes legal in NZ I expect life to be much safer as a motorcyclist, because cagers are the worst of all animals in controlling there shit .

Disclaimer: I own a large position of TSLA stock and call options.


What's funnier, is when he claims to know more than the tesla company itself than tesla does that's pure katman level narcissistic troll.
The only one that ever reached that level previously was James Walby


Teslas don't use cameras, they use a new technology in a micro chip called Dojo.




Transitioning to Tesla Vision
https://www.tesla.com/en_NZ/support/transitioning-tesla-vision
We are continuing the transition to Tesla Vision, our camera-based Autopilot system. Model 3 and Model Y vehicles built from June 2022 for the New Zealand market now utilise our camera-based Tesla Vision, which relies on Tesla’s advanced suite of cameras and neural net.

[pete376403]

I'm not sure why anyone would naturally step into a 3 tonne moving object traveling at 45kph, it's still has to stop at that speed. .

Did you not see 1 News item tonight about the kid who rode a bicycle in front of (and ultimately under) a moving shunting loco ? Most people are stupid and ignorant of anything that exists outside their own head.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Did you not see 1 News item tonight about the kid who rode a bicycle in front of (and ultimately under) a moving shunting loco ? Most people are stupid and ignorant of anything that exists outside their own head.

Didn't catch that story, but kids will be kids, I still have faith in humanity that 99.9% of us won't purposely walk Infront of a moving vehicle.

"Most" people managed to make it home tonight without being killed.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Just re reading this whole thread, it seems my replies have come off as I'm right, you have know idea what your talking about.

I'm not degrading anyone, just passing on what I know and understand from my investment in Tesla.

If you were to invest 100k into a Liquor store or 1million into Triumph motorcycle dealership, you would want to understand as much about that company as possible.

My information comes from the source and trusted sources, I don't take on information from media thats owed by oil companies.

Or publications that accept donations from Ford and General Motors.

If I'm correcting you, it's because what you don't know, you don't know, similar to me asking questions about motorcycles which seems ridiculously dumb that I must be trolling, it's because I don't know, so I ask.

[neels]

So many posts, so much......


You take the human animal out of the equation, the vehicle can't kill anyone.
Yes it can, if it's driving itself it can run a person over, that's actually what this thread is about


I'm not sure why anyone would naturally step into a 3 tonne moving object traveling at 45kph, it's still has to stop at that speed.

I'm presuming humans would still have common courtesy for the passengers that may be in the car,and simply use the crossing.

This is unnatural to human instinct and doesn't make sense.
Basic human instinct is survival and obtaining resources, this is moderated by ethics varying from person to person.

If there are people willing to risk physical danger and punishment associated with speeding/drunk driving/stealing/assault/rape/murder they'll quite happily step out in front of a car that they know will stop, without any concern that it may inconvenience it's occupants.


-Reduced cars, is a result of lower car ownership.

-Peak hour traffic would be peak hour traffic, there's no escaping that, autonomous cars would be summoned on request

-Weekend usage, autonomous cars would be summoned to take families to sports,shopping etc. 2 car families would be 1 car families, 1 car families would be no car families.

-Peaks and usage, were not all on the road at the same time ,obviously peak times would be more busy, but take a look down your street in rush hour, there are still many cars parked in the driveway doing nothing, a wasted resource.
Which then raises the question - how many less cars is still enough to meet demand? It doesn't take long for people to opt out of something if there's not enough capacity to meet demand, or it is unacceptably inconvenient.

The fundamental problem with shared resources is that everyone wants them for the same purpose, and therefore at the same time.


DISCLAIMER: I hold a large stock position in Tesla
Which is why you so desperately want what you're saying to be true.

That's not to mention that some people believe there is prestige in being a Telsa wanker, or some sort of virtue signalling in driving an EV of any type.

There are always those companies who want to stand alone because they have the ego to think they know best, and end up being a weird niche company when the rest of the world is sensible and works together or their technology is superseded, that's assuming they survive at all of course. Kodak. Compaq. Nokia. Xerox. Chase Corp. Hudson. British motorcycles. Once leading edge, and eventually irrelevant and consigned to history....

[george formby]

So many posts, so much......


Yes it can, if it's driving itself it can run a person over, that's actually what this thread is about


Basic human instinct is survival and obtaining resources, this is moderated by ethics varying from person to person.

If there are people willing to risk physical danger and punishment associated with speeding/drunk driving/stealing/assault/rape/murder they'll quite happily step out in front of a car that they know will stop, without any concern that it may inconvenience it's occupants.

So true. I really had that hit home riding the Amsterdam cobbles in the rain. Cyclists and peds did not give a shit knowing they are always 100% in the right. Twitchy, very twitchy.


Which then raises the question - how many less cars is still enough to meet demand? It doesn't take long for people to opt out of something if there's not enough capacity to meet demand, or it is unacceptably inconvenient.

The fundamental problem with shared resources is that everyone wants them for the same purpose, and therefore at the same time.

Uber being a perfect example, check out how fast fares go up at peak hour. Whatshischops from The Rock radio station was stung $220 for a trip to the airport this morning. Oof, company cost no doubt.

Which is why you so desperately want what you're saying to be true.

That's not to mention that some people believe there is prestige in being a Telsa wanker, or some sort of virtue signalling in driving an EV of any type.

There are always those companies who want to stand alone because they have the ego to think they know best, and end up being a weird niche company when the rest of the world is sensible and works together or their technology is superseded, that's assuming they survive at all of course. Kodak. Compaq. Nokia. Xerox. Chase Corp. Hudson. British motorcycles. Once leading edge, and eventually irrelevant and consigned to history....

Indeed.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/08/08/tech/baidu-robotaxi-permits-china/index.html

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

So many posts, so much......


Yes it can, if it's driving itself it can run a person over, that's actually what this thread is about


Basic human instinct is survival and obtaining resources, this is moderated by ethics varying from person to person.

If there are people willing to risk physical danger and punishment associated with speeding/drunk driving/stealing/assault/rape/murder they'll quite happily step out in front of a car that they know will stop, without any concern that it may inconvenience it's occupants.


Your contradicting your own post, why would any sane human step in front of a moving vehicle, human instinct to survive is just that, Survive


Which then raises the question - how many less cars is still enough to meet demand? It doesn't take long for people to opt out of something if there's not enough capacity to meet demand, or it is unacceptably inconvenient.

The fundamental problem with shared resources is that everyone wants them for the same purpose, and therefore at the same time.


If you and I are writing posts on this forum, then we are obviously not driving,
hence 2 wasted resources sitting in the car park ,or perhaps if they were autonomous they would be out on the road being productive


Which is why you so desperately want what you're saying to be true.

That's not to mention that some people believe there is prestige in being a Telsa wanker, or some sort of virtue signalling in driving an EV of any type.



Tesla model Y is on track to outsell the most purchased new car in the world in 2023, the humble Toyota Corolla, I doubt many Toyota owners consider themselves to be prestigious owning a Corolla, Teslas will become as common as the humble smart phone by decades end

There are always those companies who want to stand alone because they have the ego to think they know best, and end up being a weird niche company when the rest of the world is sensible and works together or their technology is superseded, that's assuming they survive at all of course. Kodak. Compaq. Nokia. Xerox. Chase Corp. Hudson. British motorcycles. Once leading edge, and eventually irrelevant and consigned to history....

You might want to add to this list of extinct companies Toyota and GM by 2030

[neels]

Firstly, learn how to quote on a thing as simple as an internet forum, your post somewhat belies your claim of superior intelligence.


You might want to add to this list of extinct companies Toyota and GM by 2030
As an investor I know who I'd back, the two identified fall into the category of evolving to compete, and will be saved from failure. Either of them could kill a small player in the market if they wanted to, there's just no need to do that as there's no threat to their business.

Toyota started building the prius to get over the california emissions threshold, and for some reason people took them seriously, and is probably the most viable format.

GM have been building hybrid and electric cars for a long time, and have recently realised it's a waste of time.

As for the rest of your post, if you could quote properly I'd respond, as you can't and what you wrote is drivel anyway I won't bother.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Firstly, learn how to quote on a thing as simple as an internet forum, your post somewhat belies your claim of superior intelligence.


A robust debate is healthy in any society, Unfortunately when one party begins to degrade the others text manner or similar insults outside of the main topic there arguments have become mute for they have usually run out of ammunition .




As an investor I know who I'd back, the two identified fall into the category of evolving to compete, and will be saved from failure. Either of them could kill a small player in the market if they wanted to, there's just no need to do that as there's no threat to their business.

Toyota started building the prius to get over the california emissions threshold, and for some reason people took them seriously, and is probably the most viable format.

GM have been building hybrid and electric cars for a long time, and have recently realised it's a waste of time.


GM has struggled to adapt to the EV race, there E V sector has run at a loss costing hundreds of millions, I recently closed a *short position on GM, it was very lucrative this year while there share price was crashing, If your referring to Toyotas hybrid, Hybrids are not EVs, they still have an exhaust and still use fossil fuels

(*Short position means to bet against a company and its share price)




As for the rest of your post, if you could quote properly I'd respond, as you can't and what you wrote is drivel anyway I won't bother.

I'm glad to be so informative and always able to help others understand when I can!

[neels]

I'm glad to be so informative and always able to help others understand when I can!
Have a good night mate

[Laava]

Jeez, that went south quick! Probs a few deleted posts too by the looks…

[GazzaH]

Just the usual inane banter between a troll, troll hunters and troll baters.

Why do some people get all crooked over this tripe?

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Already here and advancing week by week, I'd expect it to be released worldwide by 2025 and become mainstream by 2030 if not earlier.
(Don't forget how fast the smart phone over took our lives in less than a decade)

Cost won't be an issue because many city people will just hail a Tesla, more affordable to be chauffeured for cents in the dollar.

The downside is this technology will wipe out not all but much of the Transport industry, Automotive technicians, panel and paint industries.

Unfortunately as of the turn of the 18th century, in the dawn of the industrial age, technology has a price to pay.

Humans are resolute, the workers in this industry will survive and move onto other industries.

It's Almost like I can see the future!

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/britain-sets-out-roadmap-self-driving-vehicle-usage-by-2025-2022-08-19/

[husaberg]

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/43/99/de/4399de80854ff1d245f6d0233e856ae7--never-enough-enough-said.jpg

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

It's Almost like I can see the future!

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/britain-sets-out-roadmap-self-driving-vehicle-usage-by-2025-2022-08-19/

Elon Musk is working towards a wide release of Teslas version of autonomous driving to North America and Europe by the end of the year, regulation will likely keep it restricted so you are still in control of the car as advancements move rapidly to fully autonomous level 4 then the holy grail level 5 , no human needs to be present.

It's either the Americans technology or the Chinese, take your pick, it's coming regardless.

[pete376403]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/02/02/tesla-phantom-braking/

[neels]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/02/02/tesla-phantom-braking/
Not hugely surprising.

Various vehicles I drive at work have various safety or anti collision features, which flash lights and make noises quite frequently when driving in normal traffic.

While not an issue if you're driving and ignore them, or turn as many off as you can to get rid of the annoyance, it would at times be quite an entertaining ride if it was self driving and responding to every perceived hazard.

You just have to hope, when your Tesla randomly stops for no reason, that the reaction time of the Tesla behind you is as good and doesn't rear end you. I wonder if the cars self road-rage as well when one does something dumb and prangs into another.

[Berries]

Driving the work Corolla.

1. Car ahead indicates to turn left into a rural side road and starts to slow. Perfect visibility so line up to go around him and just before I put my foot down the cruise control hit the brakes hard.
2. Motorway. Two lanes curve off to the left with a green light, two lanes head off to the right with a red light and queues. I am going left but car sees stationary traffic 'ahead' in the right turn lane and hits the brakes hard. Lucky not to get rear ended.

I like adaptive cruise control, right up until the point where it could cause a crash and I have to put my phone down. When every car is automated like a Johnny Cab in 2075 it will be great. Until then I imagine there will be a number of teething problems and a number of people will be killed.

[george formby]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/02/02/tesla-phantom-braking/

My mates new Mazda did that awhile ago. An anti-vax protester stepped in front of the car, the car hit the brakes.
He was really pissed.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Tesla Beta version, next version out soon, 12 months this tech will drive better than humans. Tesla evs are learning to drive like a teen going through puberty.Who would you trust to drive you home, The Tesla or husaberg after he just spent the night smoking bath salts.
https://youtu.be/xpzJPe1DrzQ

[george formby]

Probably Husaberg, depending on what Elon is currently smoking.

[nerrrd]

it's an interesting prospect. I still think you're being overly optimistic about the time frame, based on Elon's track record.

Perfecting the technology is only the first step, though. There's scaling production, sorting out government regulation, figuring out sustainable business models for any new services created etc etc. Meanwhile NZ is financially and logistically at the end of a long queue for any of that. Self driving cars (that look like traditional cars) I think will remain a niche product for those who can afford them.

Public and freight transport seem to me the most likely places where driverless vehicles will appear in any great numbers here. They'll be ugly, utilitarian and most likely Chinese. There will be a lot of opposition to their introduction from the workforces being made redundant by them, and it won't take much effort to disrupt a service using driverless vehicles - just stand in front of one and it'll stop (hopefully), or throw some paint over it to disable the cameras. They'll be similarly vulnerable to random vandalism and theft.

That's possibly me being overly pessimistic. It did take fifty years or so to go from horse to car though.

[nerrrd]

Meanwhile...


https://youtu.be/yRdzIs4FJJg

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Meanwhile...

If you read his disclaimer on where he got his information from, it was mainly from commercial mainstream media,

It's well known mainstream media is anti Tesla because Tesla doesn't advertise with traditional media and will likely over take Apple as the largest company in the world this decade, costing hundreds of billions in media revenues.

So watching this clip is no different than reading about an anti Tesla hit piece in the New York times.

Just because Fortnines an expert on everything motorcycles , doesn't make him an expert in artificial intelligence.

[husaberg]

If you read his disclaimer on where he got his information from.

Yes indeed......

Teslas don't use cameras, they use a new technology in a micro chip called Dojo.




Transitioning to Tesla Vision
https://www.tesla.com/en_NZ/support/transitioning-tesla-vision
We are continuing the transition to Tesla Vision, our camera-based Autopilot system. Model 3 and Model Y vehicles built from June 2022 for the New Zealand market now utilise our camera-based Tesla Vision, which relies on Tesla’s advanced suite of cameras and neural net.

[pritch]

Tesla cameras don't see motorcyclists, cyclists, brown people, or fucking great articulated lorries, if the colour of the trailer happens to match the background.
Oh, and that latter was from the fatal accident report.

[Eddieb]

Autopilot is only enabled in California and a few other places in the states, it's not approved for use anywhere else yet.

[george formby]

Autopilot is only enabled in California and a few other places in the states, it's not approved for use anywhere else yet.

Bit of a surreal experience.. I'm a nervous passenger at the best of times.

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/technology-63077437

[SaferRides]

And this, unless the Herald's paywall blocks it:

https://www.driven.co.nz/news/experts-baffled-at-lack-of-action-after-automated-tech-cars-kill-11/?utm_source=nzh&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=topbox

Sent from my SM-S906E using Tapatalk

[Moi]

And this, unless the Herald's paywall blocks it:

https://www.driven.co.nz/news/experts-baffled-at-lack-of-action-after-automated-tech-cars-kill-11/?utm_source=nzh&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=topbox

Sent from my SM-S906E using Tapatalk

This might be of interest...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHC_dnooRbQ

and this as well...

https://www.driven.co.nz/news/study-reveals-which-car-owners-are-most-likely-to-overestimate-the-capabilities-of-their-self-driving-cars/

[george formby]

Bit of a surreal experience.. I'm a nervous passenger at the best of times.



I'm quoting myself, cock. Any hoo, somebody commented on the Tesla vid that it looks more stressful wondering what the car will do rather than driving.

Re-affirms I would be terrible in a vehicle like this.

[Laava]

This is interesting. Lol.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/300723007/tesla-ford-and-vw-sound-the-death-knell-for-driverless-car-hype

[F5 Dave]

S'pity. I don't enjoy driving. I'd much rather arrive at a dirtbike event having been sitting in the back talking shit and playing video games (not that I've done that since being a teenager). Then leave not having to concentrate on the drive home while tired and obviously getting increasingly drunk and master baking furiously (have to send friends home in separate self drivers).
Ahh. Baking. ;)

[Laava]

S'pity. I don't enjoy driving.
Ahh. Baking. ;)
You should probably get someone to do that for you!

[F5 Dave]

Wiff would never sit around while I went racing let alone dirt riding where you dont see the riders except when they return. No shops you see.

And I think my mates are too lazy. Or some excuse.

[husaberg]

Wiff would never sit around while I went racing let alone dirt riding where you dont see the riders except when they return. No shops you see.


Maybe this job is best suited to a mistress.....
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTGTcaXoSm3yd8LuJNHRNj72NGCTg2Cn HfyTg&usqp=CAU

[george formby]

Now that self driving is just as distant as it was to begin with we can concentrate on technology for fun rather than commuting.
I do like the idea of being driven home after a hard day getting filthy but it ain't happening soon unless their are lights flashing and sirens blaring en route to the operating theater.

So, Audi's take on pixiefication technowology.


https://youtu.be/SO2Li9BMQp8