2022 Non-LAMS Japanese bikes 400-800cc with fairing/screen

[mcshaz]

I am looking for a new bike. Nothing against euro (which I love the aesthetics of) but having owned both, not again.

I think 400-800 cc is the sweet spot for bikes, and I don't need much over 100HP. However almost all bikes in this range are either naked, full track bikes and/or LAMS 'neutered' at about 70% throttle opening. This seems crazy. I would consider light touring, sports touring or adventure touring, but not a track focused machine.

I know I could remove throttle limiters or potentially remap, but I would prefer to avoid the legal and insurance implications of illegal mods.

So, my question is, what Japanese bikes in this capacity range can be bought new in non-neutered/non-LAMS format as at the time of writing? Ideally with decent weather protection and an IMU. Am I better off to just get a naked and a screen to tuck behind when it is pissing down?

Cheers

[nerrrd]

This is the only one which ticks most of your boxes, I reckon, just a smidgeon over 800cc.

https://www.cyclespot.co.nz/bike/yamaha/mt-09/999651877/

[F5 Dave]

You are right. Posed with this question, and an excuse not to get back out of bed after a post breakfast rest ( bacon and egg croissants) I scoured cycleworks mag 2022 models. There are no interesting Japanese motorcycles with a fairing in mid bracket. R7 looks nice, but moderately extreme riding position and not the motor to back it up. CBR600 is still made, not sure if imported. Perhaps these are too sporty for you.

Or adventure oddballs. Our once yearly tour group had a planning meal last night, and I sat next to a chap with a Tracer. Maybe that is the best with your imposed limitations.

I do identify with your list a bit. I certainly didn't need or want litrebike power on the road. My old 675 was enough to get on with and light enough to make it the equal of more powerful bikes. A small screen keeps away wind blast, but makes 160 feel fast (on private closed roads of course).
And the 765 (2022) is even better. Made in Thailand, so not strictly European?. . .

[HenryDorsetCase]

Wouldnt we be looking for a VFR800 with low ks and service history? last model year

ten large seems to be about the money. Heres one set up for touring (price up that luggage set and rack it is $$)

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/honda/listing/3770401451

[nerrrd]

Just looking at new, if the Tracer is too rich for your blood and given you're not fussed on aesthetics, there's also the old reliable Vstrom 650 which according to the website is "available as a full power model or learner-approved" although full power will still be well short of 100hp.

https://www.suzuki.co.nz/motorcycles/model/v-strom-650-abs/adventure

[F5 Dave]

https://www.cycleworld.com/story/buyers-guide/2022-yamaha-tracer-9-gt/

[nzspokes]

Boom. And I think I have a screen that will fit it ok.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/listing/3797683425?bof=ecy9Kanu

[Gremlin]

I'm surprised nerd didn't jump up and down about an NC... https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/dual-purpose/honda/listing/3793228226?bof=ecy9Kanu

Dunno if it's too aggressive, but Honda has the CBR650R, but it's not a CB600RR that's super track focussed: https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/honda/listing/3793592503?bof=ecy9Kanu

[F5 Dave]

Maybe that's not a yawn fest. Looks like it could be a great bike.

[nerrrd]

I'm surprised nerd didn't jump up and down about an NC... https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/dual-purpose/honda/listing/3793228226?bof=ecy9Kanu

Dunno if it's too aggressive, but Honda has the CBR650R, but it's not a CB600RR that's super track focussed: https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/honda/listing/3793592503?bof=ecy9Kanu

It was the “I don’t need much over 100hp” bit, if that had been “I don’t need much over 50hp” then I would have been all over it.

I think the CBR must be restricted, it’s listed under LAMS on the blue wing website.

[Gremlin]

It was the “I don’t need much over 100hp” bit, if that had been “I don’t need much over 50hp” then I would have been all over it.
Same thing, still under 100 :laugh:

I think the CBR must be restricted, it’s listed under LAMS on the blue wing website.
Ah, could be. Once you're paying more for 600+ and there is no additional band, my smallest bike is 919 :woohoo:

[nerrrd]

Same thing, still under 100 :laugh:

Ah, could be. Once you're paying more for 600+ and there is no additional band, my smallest bike is 919 :woohoo:

Yes, if the OP wants to raise the cc ceiling a bit there'd be a lot more options.

Just thought of another, slightly more adventurous option:

https://www.yamaha-motor.co.nz/products/motorcycle/off-road/adventure/xtz690

Or if you want to be really adventurous in another way, OK you don't want a Euro bike for some reason, so how about a Euro bike made in China?? It has many extras...

https://www.cfmoto.co.nz/model/800mt-touring-nz

[Hoonicorn]

I feel the frustration of wanting something under 1000cc but with more power than a learner bike. Honda has the CBR650R which can produce 95hp, but only the LAMS restricted version is sold in NZ. The rest are mostly parallel twins, so naturally the answer would be an MT-09 triple or Suzuki GSXS750 inline 4. But they're naked bikes so you'd need to find a screen.

Adventure bikes like the Tracer 700 may be a better option, or the sporty Yamaha R7 even though they're not 100hp they aren't restricted and put out around 75ish horses.

The expected 'path-to-upgrade' in NZ seems to be LAMS 300-650 for new riders then straight to a 900-1200cc on your full.

[F5 Dave]

There's plenty in the euro folder, but the Japanese have really cut back haven't they? You can't imagine a conversation in the 80s or even 90s where someone would be predicting such a high non Japanese presence in the market.

One can only ponder the market in 20 years when presumably everything will be electric, who will feature in the market then? All Chinese? As they decide to monopolise the availability of cheap batteries because they won't care how it is mined.

[HenryDorsetCase]

There's plenty in the euro folder, but the Japanese have really cut back haven't they? You can't imagine a conversation in the 80s or even 90s where someone would be predicting such a high non Japanese presence in the market.

One can only ponder the market in 20 years when presumably everything will be electric, who will feature in the market then? All Chinese? As they decide to monopolise the availability of cheap batteries because they won't care how it is mined.

I will be on a hydrogen fuel cell or pocket fusion powered flying motorcycle that will be ridden like wingsuit basejumpers fly. Yee haw.

[Gremlin]

The expected 'path-to-upgrade' in NZ seems to be LAMS 300-650 for new riders then straight to a 900-1200cc on your full.
I'd like to fully blame distributors (multiple ones, so many nice models we don't get), but in reality, likely all our stock piggy backs Australia, and our demand is so tiny compared to other countries. Heard a stat recently (think it was cars) but our annual demand was something like 2hrs on the BMW production line...

[F5 Dave]

I will be on a hydrogen fuel cell or pocket fusion powered flying motorcycle that will be ridden like wingsuit basejumpers fly. Yee haw.
With someone strapped to your back to operate it while incoherently mumble about the weather and how you used to have teeth.

[nerrrd]

The new Honda CB750 Hornet twin can't be made into a LAMs version, maybe the rumoured Transalp version will come here?

https://litearticles.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/415461_23YM_HONDA_CB750_HORNET-710x502.jpg

https://hondanews.eu/eu/en/motorcycles/media/pressreleases/415508/23ym-honda-cb750-hornet-47

[HenryDorsetCase]

The new Honda CB750 Hornet twin can't be made into a LAMs version, maybe the rumoured Transalp version will come here?

https://hondanews.eu/eu/en/motorcycles/media/pressreleases/415508/23ym-honda-cb750-hornet-47

Blue Wang will ensure they retail at $27k, be surprised when they dont sell in volume, then special them off at $19,990 after a year or couple of years. They also won't stock any spares and will DQ spares and service after 3 years.

So theres that.

[Hoonicorn]

Blue Wang will ensure they retail at $27k, be surprised when they dont sell in volume, then special them off at $19,990 after a year or couple of years. They also won't stock any spares and will DQ spares and service after 3 years.

So theres that.

Sounds about right.

They don't look really high spec'd no brembos ohlins (Showa front, and colour display though) so if the 650s sell for $15000 and they're inline 4s, the Hornet 750 should sell for roughly the same. $16,995 - $17,995 at a stretch. (UK price is 6999 pounds or $14,995 NZ so we'll see if that translates to real world)

[nerrrd]

Sounds about right.

They don't look really high spec'd no brembos ohlins (Showa front, and colour display though) so if the 650s sell for $15000 and they're inline 4s, the Hornet 750 should sell for roughly the same. $16,995 - $17,995 at a stretch. (UK price is 6999 pounds or $14,995 NZ so we'll see if that translates to real world)

Add another $1000 for a version with a fairing if it's a sports tourer, then add another $1000 at least to that if they do the adventure (Transalp) version for spoked/bigger wheels/taller suspension etc

Making the NC look pretty damn good, provided you're the type of rider who can appreciate its particular set of skills :laugh:.

[F5 Dave]

Shed better be a pretty damn good cook.

[jellywrestler]

I'd like to fully blame distributors (multiple ones, so many nice models we don't get), but in reality, likely all our stock piggy backs Australia, and our demand is so tiny compared to other countries. Heard a stat recently (think it was cars) but our annual demand was something like 2hrs on the BMW production line...

there's a lot more brands out there than a decade or two ago, reliable ones too so market share for many is small, hard to stock a large range when that happens

[HenryDorsetCase]

there's a lot more brands out there than a decade or two ago, reliable ones too so market share for many is small, hard to stock a large range when that happens

yeah I would hate to be in the business... its fucking hard.

[nerrrd]

A couple more options, the expected new Honda Transalp 750:

https://www.advpulse.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/2023-Honda-XL750-Transalp-adventure-motorcycle-33.jpg

https://www.cycleworld.com/story/bikes/honda-xl750-transalp-first-look-2023/

And the new 'P'-Strom 800.

https://www.bennetts.co.uk/-/media/bikesocial/2022-november-images/2023-suzuki-v-strom-800-de-technical-review/2023-suzuki-v-strom-800-de-review-price-spec_01.ashx?h=493&w=740&la=en&hash=E13397E84A0694D9762C1DAADAED546779EF6530

https://ridermagazine.com/2022/11/08/2023-suzuki-v-strom-800de-first-look-review/

[nerrrd]

Ouch, $20,000 for a new Transalp. That’s more than I expected.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/tourers/honda/listing/4016689552

At least it’s ride-away.

Hornet a bargain at only $15,995 + ORC.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/honda/listing/4016491019

[KevinD]

Ouch, $20,000 for a new Transalp. That’s more than I expected.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/tourers/honda/listing/4016689552

At least it’s ride-away.

Hornet a bargain at only $15,995 + ORC.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/honda/listing/4016491019


Sadly looking at those price points on Trademe, they're not likely to sell many of either at those prices. To Honda's credit they're not as stupidly priced as the New KLR650 at $14,995. While a little left field, the Indians and Chinese are not just coming any more, they're here.

[nerrrd]

A few more listings on TM now for the Transalp.


The $19995 plus orc is indicative only. This will be confirmed before the release

Hmmm...curious :confused:.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/dual-purpose/honda/listing/4019825072

[KevinD]

A few more listings on TM now for the Transalp.



Hmmm...curious :confused:.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/dual-purpose/honda/listing/4019825072


Older tech for sure but at $14,500 some will be cross shopping. For $20,000 there's an awful lot of options out there, including new V-strom 1000's.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/dual-purpose/suzuki/listing/3917920552

[nerrrd]

Older tech for sure but at $14,500 some will be cross shopping. For $20,000 there's an awful lot of options out there, including new V-strom 1000's.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/dual-purpose/suzuki/listing/3917920552

The new P-strom 800 is cheaper than the Transalp at $18,999 but not by much. Inflation hitting new models?

https://www.suzuki.co.nz/motorcycles/model/v-strom%20800de/adventure