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[Ivan]

Hey Im desperate to know how to make a slipper clutch it is for my buckets and if it works eventually put one on my DR200

Sweet appreciate the help and if you aint got nothing nice to say dont say it all thanks

[Ivan]

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[jrandom]

are you drunk?

[Virago]

You forgot the magic word.........

[Ivan]

No im not drunk im only 15 and is the magic word Honda RS125 are the best nah Please

[k14]

Hey Im desperate to know how to make a slipper clutch it is for my buckets and if it works eventually put one on my DR200

Sweet appreciate the help and if you aint got nothing nice to say dont say it all thanks
Well I haven't got anything nice to say and I'm still going to say it. SHUT THE FUCK UP. Piss off if you're gonna keep spamming these forums with complete and utter shit. :argh:

[gav]

Hey Im desperate to know how to make a slipper clutch it is for my buckets and if it works eventually put one on my DR200

Sweet appreciate the help and if you aint got nothing nice to say dont say it all thanks
Read the second line ........ :whistle:

[Ivan]

Well I haven't got anything nice to say and I'm still going to say it. SHUT THE FUCK UP. Piss off if you're gonna keep spamming these forums with complete and utter shit. :argh:

K14 we cant help it that you are having your period I just want to know something it is not spamming

[k14]

K14 we cant help it that you are having your period I just want to know something it is not spamming
Yes it is spam, if you weren't so retarded you would actually know what slipper clutches are for. They have no application whatsoever in bucket racing.

If you read this (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=335298&postcount=29) post here by dave where you asked the exact same question a month or 2 back then you would know the answer. :done:

[Ivan]

Im sorry I couldnt find tht post and yes I have studied them and they do have aspect in bucket racing, We run on tight circuits and need to slip the fuck out of the clutch out of the bends to keep speed and If you read what I said I was trialing it before I put one in my DR200 cause it needs to be able to be slipped so I can ride it to how I am used to riding and not root the motor :done:

[k14]

Well if you knew what a slipper clutch actually does it wouldn't help you at all for that purpose. A slipper clutch is there to stop compression lockup from changing down gears too fast. Instead of the rear wheel locking up the clutch slips a bit untill the rear wheel speed matches the engine revs. It doesn't do anything when you are accelerating or changing up gears. The slipper clutch for getting out of corners is your left hand. You should know this if you ride a rs125.

[Ivan]

Yeah I do know this by riding a RS125 but on a RG50 you aint going to get it working it does nothing and if you read what I am trying to say I want one for my DR200 so it does not lock up or over rev on gear change down

[John]

I'm with k14 dont ask a question and expect replies even when you tell people with nothing to say not to say it.

[John]

Yeah I do know this by riding a RS125 but on a RG50 you aint going to get it working it does nothing and if you read what I am trying to say I want one for my DR200 so it does not lock up or over rev on gear change down
why not learn howto change gears to start with, slipper clutches are only effective on high compression bikes with large power.

[SixPackBack]

Listen to John, the MILF rooter from hell, and if you dont, you know whats gunna happen to yor mum.....*take it away John*

[Ixion]

Um, given that two smokers don't have bugger all engine braking , is a slipper clutch on any two smoker going to do much? Not saying it won't just questioning? On a 1000cc Vtwin, yeah. On a 200cc two stroke? Dunno

[Ivan]

I can but it is really the first four stroke I have ridden and I cant ride it for shit I am trying to get as much time in before I race in 600 super sport I am just asking something and wondered if anyone knew how it doesnt have to be a "slipper clutch" just a Mod so the clutch can be ridden is what I really mean :calm: What are you trying to say the DR dont have high compression LOL :niceone:

[John]

I can but it is really the first four stroke I have ridden and I cant ride it for shit I am trying to get as much time in before I race in 600 super sport I am just asking something and wondered if anyone knew how it doesnt have to be a "slipper clutch" just a Mod so the clutch can be ridden is what I really mean :calm: What are you trying to say the DR dont have high compression LOL :niceone:
oh so you ride the clutch all the time?

simple answer - grow some balls, your young and dumb. clutches are for first gear only esp in buckets I mean shit ...

Wait till you get on a bike that REALLY does have some power, your going to be scared shitless if you think a DR is the bizzo.

[Ivan]

Nah I know I was joking around all I want a clutch to ride is out of the bends to keep the revs up for the outer corner speed thats all. I was joking about the DR it is slow as but its just a hack bike for out the lake for abit of fun, And the RS125's have more than abit of power but yeah I know im not going to 600s until I am constently in the 1;16s at Manfield and am able to pick a 600 up when it lies on its side. Nah but on two strokes its all about revs on four strokes you got the torque to pull you out the bend the 2 strokes die lol

[John]

why dont you just change down, its what everyone else does :|

Thats why bikes have gears, to keep in the torque - if it had shitloads of torque we would have one gear get it? simple done.

[Ivan]

Yeah I know but I have standered pipe and no baffle so I have no back pressure and my bike runs like a piece of shit at times and needs to be ridden to get up the hill at Kaitoke im serious but the way the clutch is on it it wont ride properly and I want it to launch of the line perfect if I do a race start it hits false nuetrals etc when riding the clutch

[John]

wtf?........

[Jamiepo]

NAh, Riding a bike is all about knowing your rev range, having the skils to keep the bike in iits torque range no matter what speed you are doing. Ride a bike, get to know what gear you need to be in at what speed and in what situation. If you have good clutch control and know your bike a sliper clutch is really serpurfluous(SP?)

[John]

NAh, Riding a bike is all about knowing your rev range, having the skils to keep the bike in iits torque range no matter what speed you are doing. Ride a bike, get to know what gear you need to be in at what speed and in what situation. If you have good clutch control and know your bike a sliper clutch is really serpurfluous(SP?)
yea what that man said.

I hope you didnt want it just to be cool? because most people dont brag about slipper clutches or maybe just maybe I am getting to old????

FUCK?!

[Jamiepo]

I thought that the Slipper clutch was for down changes????? IE you don't lock up the rear on a high comp bike when you change down at high revs, how would that affect the off the line start and out of corner revs??

[John]

I thought that the Slipper clutch was for down changes????? IE you don't lock up the rear on a high comp bike when you change down at high revs, how would that affect the off the line start and out of corner revs??
yea that is what they are for, hence why they come on faster street bikes.

some can be modded to provide more slip but nothing that will help you in corners, unless you rely on engine braking, and dont want to lock the rear - but again on a 2smoke what is the point?

Its a wank thing, I am sure.

[Ivan]

No I dont want a slipper clutch for that its what I am used to it is a clutch that you can ride when your bike has no power out of the bend its not for dpwn chaange its just for getting a good launch I got a RG50 and want to adjust the clutch on it so it isnt so stiff etc

[Jamiepo]

I am 21 years old and a slipper is not something I would brag about having, I feel it has its places but would be very ashamed to have it on a 125 2 smoker!! So I don't think age come into it!!

[Ivan]

I wasnt bragging I was asking a question and about my age that was an answer to fish's question are you drunk and I replied no Im only 15 cause I cant buy alcohol plus I cant be bothered getting drunk

[John]

No I dont want a slipper clutch for that its what I am used to it is a clutch that you can ride when your bike has no power out of the bend its not for dpwn chaange its just for getting a good launch I got a RG50 and want to adjust the clutch on it so it isnt so stiff etc
WTF ARE YOU ON ABOUT? DUDE JUST FUCK UP OK YOUR TALKING ARSE COMPLETE ARSE.
IF ITS TO STIFF, CHANGE SPRINGS LOOSEN THE CABLE DO THE STUFF NORMAL HUMANS DO, IF YOU WANT TO DO A SLIPPER MOD ON YOUR BIKE, JESUS GO AHEAD - I WONT JUDGE YOU I WILL JUST THINK ITS RETARTED.

As for the age thing jamiepo, I was referring to his age of 15' maybe they like get all hot and horny over a a big set of clutch plates with slipper springs

[Ivan]

Sweet guys cheers for the help

[Jamiepo]

No I dont want a slipper clutch for that its what I am used to it is a clutch that you can ride when your bike has no power out of the bend its not for dpwn chaange its just for getting a good launch I got a RG50 and want to adjust the clutch on it so it isnt so stiff etc

ARE YOU DRUNK???

RIding the clutch is not a good thing, it is something to be avoided. As Ixion said on a 2 smoke 125 if you want more revs/torque out of a corner chop it down a couple of gears and power out. Blip the throttle to get engine revs up with tyre speed and all should be fine. No need for a slipper at all.

[Ivan]

Yeah I know I am used to 125 GP were you ride them to keep it in the power range nah thanks for your help I forgot all about throttle blipping it is something new I have learnt to do laters

[John]

Yeah I know I am used to 125 GP were you ride them to keep it in the power range nah thanks for your help I forgot all about throttle blipping it is something new I have learnt to do laters
cant handle the heat get out of the oven? ...

[k14]

ARE YOU DRUNK???

RIding the clutch is not a good thing, it is something to be avoided. As Ixion said on a 2 smoke 125 if you want more revs/torque out of a corner chop it down a couple of gears and power out. Blip the throttle to get engine revs up with tyre speed and all should be fine. No need for a slipper at all.
Calm down mate, obviously you know 2/3rds of fuck all about RS125's. You need to ride the clutches very often. They don't have any torque at all and power only comes in at 8000rpm. First gear is very tall, you need to be doing 70kph before you are in the powerband or else it just bogs. Thats why you need to slip the clutch. At a circuit like ruapuna most guys are doing it atleast 2 times a lap and then there's the start. You are doing it till you are changing into 2nd gear (about 100kph) before you let it out fully.

This art is very hard to master and obviously ivan hasn't yet. He needs to get it into his head that there isn't a device that will do this and the only way it can get done is manually, i.e. with your hand.

:calm:

[k14]

Yeah I know I am used to 125 GP were you ride them to keep it in the power range nah thanks for your help I forgot all about throttle blipping it is something new I have learnt to do laters
you don't need to blip the throttle on a 2 stroke. just change down and let the clutch out, need to be careful not to let the clutch out too soon and over rev the bike but you don't need to blip the throttle on a 2 stroke. only need to do it on a 4 stroke when there isn't a slipper clutch (there you go ivan, the proper use of a slipper clutch). :done:

[gav]

Ivan, i think traction control is what youre after, I'm sure this will help. Will help your launch's and control wheel spin out of tight bends.

[Ixion]

Now I'm totally confused. Mr Gav, are you saying that a slipper clutch will control wheel spin (I'm surprised that a 125 can wheelspin in the dry, but anyway).

I thought a "slipper clutch" was such that it allowed a controlled degree of slip ON THE OVERRUN - ie slip when the wheel's driving the motor.

How could that help with wheel spin, when clearly the motor is driving the wheel.

Two smokers do sometimes need the clutch feathered a bit, even on the road, depending on gearing. And of course you have to slip them if you want a fast take off, otherwise they either bog down in the nasty urff urff way that you can't get out of without stopping - or they try to throw you off the back when the powerband kicks in. But I don't understand what any of this has to do with slipper clutchs. Unless I've completely misunderstood what they are, which is quite possible.

[k14]

No you understand them perfectly, its one other person (who remain nameless) *cough* ivan *cough* that doesn't know what they are for or how they work.

[TLDV8]

I thought a "slipper clutch" was such that it allowed a controlled degree of slip ON THE OVERRUN - ie slip when the wheel's driving the motor.

How could that help with wheel spin, when clearly the motor is driving the wheel.



It is as you say... http://www.sigmaperformance.com/slipperclutches.html.. most are like the Ducati units with ramps under the centre hub that lift it on the over run...the trick units have adjustable spiders to set the slippage... Then there is the retarded system on the TL1000's which is more of a back torque limiter where on acceleration the the clutch springs are loaded,deceleration does the oposite so there is some slippage..with the added bonus if you back off in a corner then gas it up the engine can gain revs until the ramp system catchs up risking highsiding (like dipping the clutch midcorner with the throttle pinned)...perhaps Ivan is thinking of a centrifugal clutch like we all had on out Trutest mini bikes :whistle:..i have always blipped the throttle on downshifts from RM125's to Kawasaki H2's,works for me,just a personal preferance.

[gav]

Now I'm totally confused. Mr Gav, are you saying that a slipper clutch will control wheel spin (I'm surprised that a 125 can wheelspin in the dry, but anyway).

I thought a "slipper clutch" was such that it allowed a controlled degree of slip ON THE OVERRUN - ie slip when the wheel's driving the motor.

How could that help with wheel spin, when clearly the motor is driving the wheel.

Two smokers do sometimes need the clutch feathered a bit, even on the road, depending on gearing. And of course you have to slip them if you want a fast take off, otherwise they either bog down in the nasty urff urff way that you can't get out of without stopping - or they try to throw you off the back when the powerband kicks in. But I don't understand what any of this has to do with slipper clutchs. Unless I've completely misunderstood what they are, which is quite possible.

NO, sorry, I'm saying for what Ivan wants to acheive he would need some sort of traction control. A slipper clutch as explained has nothing to do with his problems, ie starts and exiting corners.

[Ivan]

you don't need to blip the throttle on a 2 stroke. just change down and let the clutch out, need to be careful not to let the clutch out too soon and over rev the bike but you don't need to blip the throttle on a 2 stroke. only need to do it on a 4 stroke when there isn't a slipper clutch (there you go ivan, the proper use of a slipper clutch). :done:

Yeah thanks K14 alot of people dont understand that 125's are not just any bike you ride the clutch all the time nah I know it is in your left hand thanks

[Ivan]

Nah I know I have got you guys all mucked up Its hard to explain I want to set my clutch us so it is easier to feather

[Ixion]

As a slightly off topic aside, I have always wondered abut the possibility of having a VERY highly tuned two stroke engine, with an impossibly narrow power band (say 1000rpm) . That could generate some unreal sort of horsepower. Then use an infinately variable auto transmission to control speed (ie instead of changing engine revs, change the gearing). It would need some way to bleed off power - like a "forward" slipper clutch to avoid excess power at the wrong place.

I suspect if someone really tried it could work very well. We'll never know because the wimpy racing rulers put the whammy on big two strokes - cos they know that if they allowed two strokes to compete on equal terms with four strokes, the fourstrokes would not stand a chance :devil2:. Two strokes rule, OK

[TLDV8]

As a slightly off topic aside, I have always wondered abut the possibility of having a VERY highly tuned two stroke engine, with an impossibly narrow power band (say 1000rpm) . That could generate some unreal sort of horsepower. Then use an infinately variable auto transmission to control speed (ie instead of changing engine revs, change the gearing). It would need some way to bleed off power - like a "forward" slipper clutch to avoid excess power at the wrong place.

I suspect if someone really tried it could work very well. We'll never know because the wimpy racing rulers put the whammy on big two strokes - cos they know that if they allowed two strokes to compete on equal terms with four strokes, the fourstrokes would not stand a chance :devil2:. Two strokes rule, OK


It was done in the 1970's with a 500cc 3 cylinder snow mobile engine and some kind of torque converter...the rev's would stay the same,its undoing was mainly tires and the TZ750...i could try and find the article.

[John]

I DID ALOT OF REASEARCHS ANDS I FOUNDS YOU A AN ANSWER YUNG ONE>

the answer lies herin: http://www.mcnews.com.au/Testing/zx9r.htm

[FROSTY]

sounds to me what the younge fella really needs is a heavy duty clutch.
what you lot are talking about I was sorta doing on mella yella exiting the hairpin at taupo and pukie-getting it into the sweet rev spot then using the clutch as the throttle --slipping it or not -if ya get my drift

[Ivan]

thanks I checked it out real quick a quick skim I mean quick but couldnt see anything on clutch set up will read it tonight

[Gixxer 4 ever]

Interesting thread. I would advise you do a lot of reading before asking for help. To many people want to use others knowledge before they try doing research themselves. It is good you asked but you need to understand how to explain what it is you want to achieve. Try changing down to keep in the power band. If the gearing is to high drop the front to a 12 tooth and lift the rear to 47. Play with this option till you get a setup that suits your track. It takes time but that is what practise days are for. Every track is different. Good luck

[Ivan]

Sweet guys I think I might copy F5 Daves earlier post which stated the perfect setup

[avgas]

Hey Im desperate to know how to make a slipper clutch it is for my buckets and if it works eventually put one on my DR200

Sweet appreciate the help and if you aint got nothing nice to say dont say it all thanks
Dont touch it or you'll go blind

[Ivan]

Dont touch it or you'll go blind


NahI aint touching one now I dont really care any more