Luxon ?

[R650R]

Reminds me of a tale from I man I know. He was a former SAS soldier, joined the NZ Police, then when the Oz police advertised he crossed the Tasman. First day on the job he was told to interview/interrogate a suspect. The suspect was staunch and he was giving nothing away. The sergeant strode into the room with the Brisbane phone book and gave the suspect an almighty whack over the ear. "That's how we do it here." Problem solved.

I’d fully believe that just from watching how the highway cops treat mere speeders. Not that long ago was prob same here before they got wokified via govt policy.
If you like traditional styles I recommend searching out some of the docos and interviews with Roger Rogerson, although he went full scale corrupt he got results and eventually a jail term.

[pete376403]

“In September last year, the previous Government offered a $4000 increase, backdated to April 2023, followed a 4% pay rise effective April 2024.
The offer that arrived on Friday offered a $5000 increase to base wages, backdated only to November 2023. That would be followed by 4% pay rises starting July 2025.
Annual inflation was 4.7%.
The latest offer also proposed reducing the leave police could accumulate, taking it down from 45 to 35 days, and removing compensation for officers called in early by up to three hours on late notice.”


But rich for labour trying to milk this when their offer was quite similar . It was clear a change of govt was coming they should have taken labours offer knowing they have no care for spraying public cash about.
Wage bargaining is always tough affair in any industry eventually the dust will settle. If large country like Aussie is offering big dollars it’s telling you they have problems attracting people to the job too. That’s a worry when you consider the bigger talent pool they have as a larger population.
That tells you the job is difficult over there too plus you have the heat, dust, spiders and snakes that’s gotta make searching cars fun.
One way to fix this would be to tie all public service jobs and the minimum to MP salaries. So every time they get a rise so does everyone else, problem solved.

NZ cops to Australia, double the pay, benefits, carry weapons full time AND get to use them. Whats not for them to like? Meanwhile Mark Mitchells salary has gone from about $164K (opposition member) to about $250K (Govt member in cabinet, 3 portfolios) not counting benefits, and sees no problem denying Police officers the money they should be getting. Almost as tone-deaf as his boss

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/dozens-of-frontline-police-officers-heading-to-the-departure-lounge-for-australia/3UJVU3EFA5A6XCL7GWPZETTCF4/

[frogfeaturesFZR]

Agreed the cops should be paid more, and additionally, we need more of them
But, there’s a finite amount of government money
Who misses out, in order to pay the police more ?
Serious question
Cuts have to come from somewhere, every essential ministry seems under funded
Health ? Can’t be the armed forces, they’re under funded now.
So, what cuts do you lot want to see ?
( Don’t mention bike regos )

[pete376403]

Agreed the cops should be paid more, and additionally, we need more of them
But, there’s a finite amount of government money
Who misses out, in order to pay the police more ?
Serious question
Cuts have to come from somewhere, every essential ministry seems under funded
Health ? Can’t be the armed forces, they’re under funded now.
So, what cuts do you lot want to see ?
( Don’t mention bike regos )

Yes there is an apparent shortage of money (according to the Minister of Finance, whose qualification for the job seems to be a first-class honours degree in English literature from Victoria University of Wellington in 2003, and a post-graduate diploma in journalism from the University of Canterbury in 2017) but that hasn't stopped the m from giving a $2.9 billion tax cut for landlords
"The cost of reinstating full interest deductions for residential property will be $2.9 billion over the four-year forecast period, according to data from the Government." https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/cost-of-landlord-tax-break-increased-by-800m-to-29b/B7ZMET343BHQTHVOBCSQDM4ARY/#:~:text=The%20three%20parties%20of%20Government,p er%20cent%20in%202025%2F26.

[husaberg]

As well as claiming a 50K subsidy for the house he owns in wellington its been revealed "Man of the people"luxton has just spent 100K doing up parliament house including redecorating.

[FLUB]

Yes there is an apparent shortage of money (according to the Minister of Finance, whose qualification for the job seems to be a first-class honours degree in English literature from Victoria University of Wellington in 2003, and a post-graduate diploma in journalism from the University of Canterbury in 2017).

Oh you mean like the previous Finance Minister who had a degree in Political Science. So much better. She could use his trick and just print another $60 billion.

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[pete376403]

Oh you mean like the previous Finance Minister who had a degree in Political Science. So much better. She could use his trick and just print another $60 billion.

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"Print"? The money was borrowed and will be paid back. Just as every NZ Govt has done.

[R650R]

Yes there is an apparent shortage of money (according to the Minister of Finance, whose qualification for the job seems to be a first-class honours degree in English literature from Victoria University of Wellington in 2003, and a post-graduate diploma in journalism from the University of Canterbury in 2017) but that hasn't stopped the m from giving a $2.9 billion tax cut for landlords
"The cost of reinstating full interest deductions for residential property will be $2.9 billion over the four-year forecast period, according to data from the Government." https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/cost-of-landlord-tax-break-increased-by-800m-to-29b/B7ZMET343BHQTHVOBCSQDM4ARY/#:~:text=The%20three%20parties%20of%20Government,p er%20cent%20in%202025%2F26.

We all know university degrees are interchangeable in employment world. All they show is an ability to research a particular subject and print coherent written explanation of various cause and effect cycles.

The interest money is only 750 million a year or several weeks of nz welfare payments to those on dole.

What it will do is encourage investors back into rental market. Currently there’s lots of ghost houses because of labours meddling making being a kandlord unattractive for a variety of reasons. Hence why we have the emergency housing crisis because labour essentially did all it could to discourage investors from being landlords.

[R650R]

"Print"? The money was borrowed and will be paid back. Just as every NZ Govt has done.

Govt debt is never fully repaid.

The reserve bank prints our money. We attempt to repay them with interest on top using money taken from the taxpayers whose lives the govt is trying to improve with expensive interventionist policies.
EVERY time a govt does this it increases the amount of money circulating which devalues our money we call this inflation.
Extra money is effectively printed out of thin air and paid for by taxpayers.

[FLUB]

"Print"? The money was borrowed and will be paid back. Just as every NZ Govt has done.Yes, the money that is borrowed is actually printed as NZ$. If you cannot back up what you say have with real cash, you are bankrupt. Governments are not exempt from this. It's also why we should be very concerned by moves to go to government controlled digital money instead of real cash.

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[pritch]

"Print"? The money was borrowed and will be paid back. Just as every NZ Govt has done.

True. Successive governments can claim the credit for that. Compared to other countries we're doing well. When COVID hit NZ debt to GDP was 28% of GDP it went up into the low 40s but was back to the mid thirties by 2022 the latest figure I've seen. Britain's debt to GDP is over 100% and the US over 120%.

Don't tell me they are big countries, those are percentages. If there was a ready solution they'd be implementing it.

[pritch]

What it will do is encourage investors back into rental market. Currently there’s lots of ghost houses because of labours meddling making being a kandlord unattractive for a variety of reasons. Hence why we have the emergency housing crisis because labour essentially did all it could to discourage investors from being landlords.

Nah. The problem is a lack of houses. Having more landlords doesn't change the total number of houses. We will still have the problem of what to do with people who need housing.

I'll mention this because y'all won't remember. There used to be 'transit camps'. Christchurch airport was a big one. The former airforce buildings had been converted to accomodation, families in need of housing lived there until they could be moved to a new state house in Papanui which was the new suburb at the time. A similar arrangement existed at New Plymouth Airport. There was also a transit camp at Western Springs in Auckland but a look at the map suggests it has been demolished and it's park land or part of the zoo now. Mind, it was a bit of a zoo in 1959 when I delivered papers there.

There would have been many others around the country but those are just the ones I saw. The answer to the housing problem then was state houses which were initially funded by the money in the Post Office Savings bank. Presumably it was Roger Douglas sold that off and the banking industry has undergone major change so a new solution is needed. Alas, I'm not seeing any sign of it yet.

[BMWST?]

Nah. The problem is a lack of houses. Having more landlords doesn't change the total number of houses. We will still have the problem of what to do with people who need housing.

I'll mention this because y'all won't remember. There used to be 'transit camps'. Christchurch airport was a big one. The former airforce buildings had been converted to accomodation, families in need of housing lived there until they could be moved to a new state house in Papanui which was the new suburb at the time. A similar arrangement existed at New Plymouth Airport. There was also a transit camp at Western Springs in Auckland but a look at the map suggests it has been demolished and it's park land or part of the zoo now. Mind, it was a bit of a zoo in 1959 when I delivered papers there.

There would have been many others around the country but those are just the ones I saw. The answer to the housing problem then was state houses which were initially funded by the money in the Post Office Savings bank. Presumably it was Roger Douglas sold that off and the banking industry has undergone major change so a new solution is needed. Alas, I'm not seeing any sign of it yet.
thats not the only problem.There seems to be a real problem with actually building the houses. It can be done.Drive throught the suburbs of naenae and taita in lower hutt.There are streets and streets and streets of houses all built(by hand) of houses all built within say 10 years. we just dont seem to be able to do that now

[R650R]

thats not the only problem.There seems to be a real problem with actually building the houses. It can be done.Drive throught the suburbs of naenae and taita in lower hutt.There are streets and streets and streets of houses all built(by hand) of houses all built within say 10 years. we just dont seem to be able to do that now

We are still building heaps of new houses just for the wrong people. One only has to ride rural roads to see lifestyle blockscropping up faster than rabbit colonies.When you factor in travel times for all the contractors there’s prob a halving in build capacity right there.
We have a huge new estate being built on hilltop in HBbut in no way are those properties going to be affordable for social housing or first time buyers.
Govt should be brave and say there’s a two year hiatus on building anything new more than 3km from current suburban edges or over say $800,000 valueexcept where land availability makes it issue.
Even if you win lotto today apparently there’s a one year waiting list to get a suitable builder/constructor on job for new build.

[pete376403]

thats not the only problem.There seems to be a real problem with actually building the houses. It can be done.Drive throught the suburbs of naenae and taita in lower hutt.There are streets and streets and streets of houses all built(by hand) of houses all built within say 10 years. we just dont seem to be able to do that now


Many of the State houses of the Hutt valley have been sold off to private owners. The ones remaining in state ownership were declared earthquake prone (brick chimneys mainly) and demolished under national. The land sat empty for many years until a buildng program was starts (by Labour, who woulda thought?) many places have been build along Cambridge terrace


And then Alexander Road in Trentham. Row upon row of two storey multiple units, all selling to 750K and up, postage stamp size section. It's the modern version of Coronation Street. Many bought by "investors" and then rented out - grand daughter is renting on and thought she had a bargain at $690 per week

[nerrrd]

We should be building modular housing in factories, that can be quickly erected depending on need, and easily removed and relocated if that need changes.

Same for schools, the prefab classrooms we had were pretty shitty but these days you could surely make some decent ones.

The problem with our rental housing market is that the only way to make money from it is through capital gain, not from rent. Investors have to constantly push up house prices, otherwise nobody profits. When there are enough investors selling houses to each other, they more or less dictate market values. I don’t know how to fix it, neither do this crop of politicians (or any other so far).

[Grumph]

We are still building heaps of new houses just for the wrong people.

You're looking in the wrong places. i had occasion today to cross ChCh from NW to SW through a lot of suburbs I haven't been in for several years.
Multiple unit style developments under construction. Multiple single house builds - replacements I'd assume. Both in upper income suburbs and the well known low income side of town. Mix of starter housing - not the areas known for rentals either - and medium to top end builds

Christchurch is humming. The emphasis has changed from the semi rural Rolleston/West Melton developments to major work within existing city limits.

[neels]

We should be building modular housing in factories, that can be quickly erected depending on need, and easily removed and relocated if that need changes.
We shouldn't be building housing, we should be creating sections for people to build houses on.

The 60's and 70's affordable housing was built when government and councils created subdivisions which were then on sold without any profit motive to home buyers, who then had a choice of housing companies who were genuinely competing with each other to get the business of people wanting houses on a tight budget.

In recent times development has been entirely left to private enterprise, with stupidly restrictive rules and limited options for building companies, or in many cases no option except a fixed price house and land package. I'm sure it's merely coincidence that the price of effectively the same house from different companies in neighboring subdivisions is exactly the same, the free market creates competition and the consumer is the winner, right?

There is an argument for mass production of housing, as has previously been done with the 'which of the standard plans do you want' approach, at least there are some economies of scale that way.

[pete376403]

There is an argument for mass production of housing, as has previously been done with the 'which of the standard plans do you want' approach, at least there are some economies of scale that way.

This is EXACTLY what is happening now, row upon row of identical two storey duplex unit housing. But it seems any cost advantage goes to the developer, then end price to the purchaser is still outrageously high

https://www.gilliesgroupsales.co.nz/projects/urban-precinct/

[nerrrd]

We shouldn't be building housing, we should be creating sections for people to build houses on.

The 60's and 70's affordable housing was built when government and councils created subdivisions which were then on sold without any profit motive to home buyers, who then had a choice of housing companies who were genuinely competing with each other to get the business of people wanting houses on a tight budget.

In recent times development has been entirely left to private enterprise, with stupidly restrictive rules and limited options for building companies, or in many cases no option except a fixed price house and land package. I'm sure it's merely coincidence that the price of effectively the same house from different companies in neighboring subdivisions is exactly the same, the free market creates competition and the consumer is the winner, right?

There is an argument for mass production of housing, as has previously been done with the 'which of the standard plans do you want' approach, at least there are some economies of scale that way.

I wish they could bring that back, but we seem to be stuck with the status quo barring some kind of major economic collapse. Vested interests (not judging here, just pointing it out) won’t allow significant government intervention in the housing market anymore.

[R650R]

IÂ’m parking this here on Luxon rap sheet even though the planning prob started under previous regime. I almost expected the pro technology Nats to front this but not so soon.
Hate to be right on this one but boom here it comes, reported on ONE news the digital driver licence app theyÂ’re looking for beta test volunteers.
Right at same time the banks are making it easy for you to send money straight to someone elseÂ’s account via your phone. That will be convenient for the app to auto ticket and fine you with instant payment.
And also on same timeline we have nationwide emergency access via Starlink.
The fakebook article comments are tragic so many people think they will get away with refusing to comply. Interesting implications if you have to pass your phone unlocked to cop for him to view.
No doubt insurance companies will be quick to follow and force you to instal an app that checks your licence 24/7 and monitors g force speeds etc.
It will be sold as stopping unsafe drivers being on road (wasnÂ’t the last licence law change promising that)
40 years on from 1984 novel and we prob surpassed the predictions.

[pete376403]

IÂ’m parking this here on Luxon rap sheet even though the planning prob started under previous regime. I almost expected the pro technology Nats to front this but not so soon.
Hate to be right on this one but boom here it comes, reported on ONE news the digital driver licence app theyÂ’re looking for beta test volunteers.
Right at same time the banks are making it easy for you to send money straight to someone elseÂ’s account via your phone. That will be convenient for the app to auto ticket and fine you with instant payment.
And also on same timeline we have nationwide emergency access via Starlink.
The fakebook article comments are tragic so many people think they will get away with refusing to comply. Interesting implications if you have to pass your phone unlocked to cop for him to view.
No doubt insurance companies will be quick to follow and force you to instal an app that checks your licence 24/7 and monitors g force speeds etc.
It will be sold as stopping unsafe drivers being on road (wasnÂ’t the last licence law change promising that)
40 years on from 1984 novel and we prob surpassed the predictions.

Wha if you don't have a mobile phone? Is that to become compulsory too?

[R650R]

Wha if you don't have a mobile phone? Is that to become compulsory too?

By default I guess. It’s a terrible burden for the elderly to have an extra cost and a tool they might not understand plus it opens up risk of being scammed with how easy it is to click links.
Especially given the average person just about never has to show cops their licence.
My employers find all sorts of reasons to see it but it’s gotta be 10 years since a cop needed to see it.

The way technology is working the next thing will be compulsory dashcams with an internal facial recognition camera linked to licence app. This would really suck privacy wise but in the end could save more lives than wire barriers. Manufacturers are already working on fatigue detection software and this is the biggest killer out there I matter how good you think you are.

[1/32 man]

Especially given the average person just about never has to show cops their licence.
My employers find all sorts of reasons to see it but it’s gotta be 10 years since a cop needed to see it.

I was stopped last week doing 61km in a 50km zone. The officer asked for my license but by the time I had got out of my helmet, gloves, head scarf, ear plugs he said not to worry as he had all my data....name, address, license status, and I am guessing the rego and WOF status of the bike as he didnt show any interest there.

$80 and twenty demerit points later I was feeling somewhat battered and bruised but it did give me a wake up call to respect the speed limit in urban areas.

[pritch]

When he joked that 42 is the answer to the meaning of life, the universe and everything, Douglas Adams didn't see this coming. It's an even bigger joke than he knew.

[pritch]

Right at same time the banks are making it easy for you to send money straight to someone elseÂ’s account via your phone.

That's been around for years. I have the banks app on my phone but don't use it 'cause my fat fingers tend to get the password wrong. The keys on the laptop are a safer bet.

[onearmedbandit]

That's been around for years. I have the banks app on my phone but don't use it 'cause my fat fingers tend to get the password wrong. The keys on the laptop are a safer bet.

I'm pretty sure he means the 'handshake' function, where you put two phones near each other and transfer funds that way.

[roogazza]

I was stopped last week doing 61km in a 50km zone. The officer asked for my license but by the time I had got out of my helmet, gloves, head scarf, ear plugs he said not to worry as he had all my data....name, address, license status, and I am guessing the rego and WOF status of the bike as he didnt show any interest there.

$80 and twenty demerit points later I was feeling somewhat battered and bruised but it did give me a wake up call to respect the speed limit in urban areas.

Bugger bud, I always said I'd leave the job if they started making me write tickets.
That was the MOT's job in my day. I was there to catch baddies ! :Police:

(besides I'd be a bit of a Hypocrite the way I rode and drove as a youngster.) :bleh: :msn-wink:

[nerrrd]

I'm confused, I've been transferring money all over the show online for ages. The only new thing I could find on Google was that they're going to be doing the transfers 7 days a week now, instead of just on working days. (whoops, got the year wrong, this one's from last year)

https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/05/23/nz-banks-introducing-major-change-to-online-banking/

Then there's the 'Confirmation of Payee' system used in Europe which verifies the account details before a transfer goes through, which apparently significantly reduces the amount of fraudulent transactions. We don't have that yet (maybe because neither do the Aussies?) but they're looking to bring it in.

https://businessdesk.co.nz/sponsored/cop-this-making-bank-transfers-safer

The headlong rush into putting everything online I would guess is based on the potential for savings while looking like you're achieving something, rather than any authoritarian tendencies among our pollies.

Those savings aren't always what they're cracked up to be. And it'll be much harder to sort out when something goes wrong.

[pritch]

I'm pretty sure he means the 'handshake' function, where you put two phones near each other and transfer funds that way.

Oh dear, I hadn't even heard of that one. My bank didn't do paywave or Apple Pay last time I looked so I may not need to worry about that.

[nerrrd]

Turned off Paywave on my credit card when I accidentally paid for something with it while I was getting my EFTPOS card ready. Doubt if my $200 Nokia has it either.

So is the idea that someone can take money off you with a similar 'wave' without your permission? So the cop waves something at your phone and you instantly pay the fine? What'll they think of next...

Actually if you're not a fan of all this tech and want a good laugh, check out some reviews of the first couple of 'wearable' AI devices recently released, the Rabbit R1 and the Humane AI PIN. I think AI might be experiencing a bubble similar to the whole self driving cars thing...

[R650R]

My comment about the progress towards instant digital payments and ease of it is the threat it poses to those unable to navigate the risks associated be it the elderly or other mental disorders that are increasing.
Also in the past at least you had some semblance of control making the buggers wait 28 days before you pay the fine lol.
I say past as all this is progressing so fast and we have the generation of instant gratification/ordering/payment that won’t realise how it will diminish your chance at disputing a decision.
A good example is speed cameras vs real cops. A significant amount of camera fines would just be a courteous roadside interaction for most people able to pass the attitude test.

[neels]

My comment about the progress towards instant digital payments and ease of it is the threat it poses to those unable to navigate the risks associated be it the elderly or other mental disorders that are increasing.

The more these things 'evolve' the larger the group gets who are unable to navigate their way through life, for example trying to do something that requires a RealMe login.

It's also getting progressively more difficult to talk to a human person, which makes some things near impossible when the situation doesn't fit the generic online process, or at least means leaving the phone on speaker for an hour or two while on hold in the hope that it's eventually answered.

[pete376403]

"Nicola Willis opposes calls to establish unit to monitor government finances, as concerns over credibility of budgets are flagged"

well, she would say that, wouldn't she...

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/nicola-willis-walks-back-support-for-independent-costing-unit-as-concerns-over-credibility-of-budgets-are-flagged/4USEDHOHDBF5HONQZKCBFHPFMM/#google_vignette

[wetanz]

As far as i am concerned. No one ever nodded and head tilted better then Paula benefit, she elevated it to almost a art form.

... and is now board chair of pharmac - hot-bed of pharma corruption - kameltoe sucked her way to vp, what did poorla do?

[wetanz]

if only his dad had settled for a few more cranks rather than some missionary work there would be no Luxton......

naya - are you sure the genetics run true - luxon has an uncanny physical similarity to muldoon, and was born when 'robbie' was at the height of politics ... thea n kids were there to be seen n not heard

[husaberg]

naya - are you sure the genetics run true - luxon has an uncanny physical similarity to muldoon, and was born when 'robbie' was at the height of politics ... thea n kids were there to be seen n not heard
I would ask, but it appears luxton is to busy to answer questions......

[Grumph]

Highly amused to see in an online article that Luxon's handshake is becoming the kiss of death.

The last three world leaders he's shaken hands with have all dropped out of the job.
In the case of the Singapore PM, immediately after leaving Luxon.

I'm sure we could come up with a list of countries we want him to visit.....

[HenryDorsetCase]

naya - are you sure the genetics run true - luxon has an uncanny physical similarity to muldoon, and was born when 'robbie' was at the height of politics ... thea n kids were there to be seen n not heard

If you're interested there's a really good podcast series on the The Spinoff called "Juggernaut" about the fourth labour government (84 - Lange and Douglas). The first episode is scene setting and talks extenisvely about NZ in the Muldoon era. I am old enough to remember it (though I was utterly uninterested in it at the time) and its just excellent. Anyway the takehome is that Muldoon was a number one grade A cunt. And somehow managed to disguise a soviet era command economy as the "farmers party" or whatever the neshnuls were then. https://thespinoff.co.nz/podcasts/juggernaut

Anyway, recommended.

[husaberg]

If you're interested there's a really good podcast series on the The Spinoff called "Juggernaut" about the fourth labour government (84 - Lange and Douglas). The first episode is scene setting and talks extenisvely about NZ in the Muldoon era. I am old enough to remember it (though I was utterly uninterested in it at the time) and its just excellent. Anyway the takehome is that Muldoon was a number one grade A cunt.
I'd normally agree with you ol Henry , he was well thought of here in the farming sect as he underwrote the freezing works here when the idea was floated a whole heap of mum and dad invested brought the shares.
prior to that the coast was used a hold paddock for the other areas only killing our cattle for f all when it suited them, ie after the peak periods. He was actually genuinely liked here. it's odd how socialist and protectionist he was, when douglas and Prebble were later in the left party far more trght wing than even National were. that said was he actually populist?

[wetanz]

If you're interested there's a really good podcast series on the The Spinoff called "Juggernaut" about the fourth labour government (84 - Lange and Douglas). The first episode is scene setting and talks extenisvely about NZ in the Muldoon era. I am old enough to remember it (though I was utterly uninterested in it at the time) and its just excellent. Anyway the takehome is that Muldoon was a number one grade A cunt. And somehow managed to disguise a soviet era command economy as the "farmers party" or whatever the neshnuls were then. https://thespinoff.co.nz/podcasts/juggernaut

Anyway, recommended.

... will check it out ... yes, 'piggy' wasnt a term of endearment ... he rose to the chairs of the world bank, the imf and oecd - totalitarian globalist to the core ... i remember 'think big' ... wasnt well liked in our household, (1951 watersiders, 1913 gt strike and 1890)

[R650R]

BOOM bang on the money

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360600922/luxon-school-lunches-make-marmite-sandwich

This is what most of us had on a good day if we were lucky. The sense of entitlement these days that the free lunch should be some MasterChef special is staggering.

[sugilite]

BOOM bang on the money

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360600922/luxon-school-lunches-make-marmite-sandwich

This is what most of us had on a good day if we were lucky. The sense of entitlement these days that the free lunch should be some MasterChef special is staggering.

Had you considered that if a students diet was otherwise good, sure a marmite sandwich would suffice. However with the wealth gap ever increasing and more and more people falling into poverty as each successive Government fails to address core issues, many school age children are under nourished, under fed due to genuine financial restraints. Thus, for these students - and there are many, a fucking marmite sandwich is not going to cut it.
At least with the old system, the meals were nutritional and thus useful. Seymour needs to quit the smarmy comments, and sort it right out.
The whole situation needs a little more thought put in to resolve it. Luxons comments highlight how he has not the slightest idea how many nz people live day to day. The more I see of him, the more I detest what I see. Seymour too has dropped a lot in my opinion. Examples of seymours "tasty" lunches below. What a cunt. These kids need a healthy diet that at least features some greens, not this slop.

https://www.wsws.org/asset/7a535628-3eb7-4dbc-a23d-265a08b777b2?rendition=image1280

https://media.rnztools.nz/rnz/image/upload/s--diKs2gjG--/ar_16:10,c_fill,f_auto,g_auto,q_auto,w_1050/v1740116277/4KBN550_IMG_3945_jpg_1?_a=BACCd2AD

[TheDemonLord]

BOOM bang on the money

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360600922/luxon-school-lunches-make-marmite-sandwich

This is what most of us had on a good day if we were lucky. The sense of entitlement these days that the free lunch should be some MasterChef special is staggering.

The comment section is an interesting place.

There was one comment that stood out - someone who is clearly on the Left (they said they loathed Luxon and Seymour) - but also acknowledged that they make sure their kids have lunch provided first and foremost - and if you dont like something that is free - do it yourself.

[TheDemonLord]

The more I see of him, the more I detest what I see. Seymour too has dropped a lot in my opinion. Examples of seymours "tasty" lunches below. What a cunt. These kids need a healthy diet that at least features some greens, not this slop.

https://www.wsws.org/asset/7a535628-3eb7-4dbc-a23d-265a08b777b2?rendition=image1280

https://media.rnztools.nz/rnz/image/upload/s--diKs2gjG--/ar_16:10,c_fill,f_auto,g_auto,q_auto,w_1050/v1740116277/4KBN550_IMG_3945_jpg_1?_a=BACCd2AD

Looks much the same as I remember the school lunches looking like back when I was in school.

I have cooked worse (and to be fair, much better) - I have also eaten worse - especially when really hungry.

If the kids are as hungry as the media is making them out to be, then a little bit of burn on Spaghetti and Meatballs is no impediment to wolfing it down. Not great, granted - but I have yet to die from overcooking meatballs, besides - that is why there is a sauce.

I also would ask - I can see peas, carrots, corn etc. in the pictures. I am sure there is Onion, Garlic etc. in the Meatballs - are they not Greens...

Finally - Given that we know that Teachers overwhelmingly vote Labour and the Greens - do you not think that there might be an ulterior motive to present a narrative that the system is a total shambles, perhaps motivated by ideological opposition to Luxon and Seymour....

[neels]

Although the expression beggars can't be choosers does come to mind, there is still the aspect of what value for money the taxpayer is getting.

The thing that stands out in those pictures is the vast amount of rubbish going into landfill every day, I doubt most schools in the country are properly equipped to produce food in any sort of quantity, so instead we have an incredibly inefficient system of producing food off site then transporting to the school.

Of course there are going to be quality issues where the facilities don't exist to properly heat or reheat food that was made some time earlier in the hope that it will still be edible when lunch time comes around.

I can completely understand the complaints where there were satisfactory local arrangements for providing lunches that kids actually wanted to eat, unfortunately centralisation drives out any innovative thinking and opportunity for community involvement in achieving an acceptable outcome, it does however provide opportunities for corporates to bid for contracts and then cut costs at every opportunity to maximise profit.

[pritch]

BOOM bang on the money
This is what most of us had on a good day if we were lucky. The sense of entitlement these days that the free lunch should be some MasterChef special is staggering.


We must've been upperclass. We had lettuce in our Vegemite sandwiches. :whistle:

Many countries supply lunches now and some of them do it well, NZ is apparently not one such. Putting someone with a libertarian point of view in charge of anything that might be perceived of as charity is just stupid. The food doesn't have to be high cuisine but it does need to be nutritious and it should look appealing otherwise too much will be wasted.

Anhoo we've had a glimpse of Seymours organisational skills. He hasn't got any.

[sugilite]

This one is more important to me than trump, so you get a reply.

Looks much the same as I remember the school lunches looking like back when I was in school.
What percentage of your class mates would you say lived in poverty and were malnourished as a result? You know the main thrust of my point.


I have cooked worse (and to be fair, much better) - I have also eaten worse - especially when really hungry.
Are you really hungry every day without a choice in the matter?


If the kids are as hungry as the media is making them out to be, then a little bit of burn on Spaghetti and Meatballs is no impediment to wolfing it down. Not great, granted - but I have yet to die from overcooking meatballs, besides - that is why there is a sauce.
You clearly have no concept of poverty and what that entails. There needs to be balanced nutrition. These meals are anything but. I would rather my tax dollars go to a nutritional hand up to these children rather than this bullshit.



I also would ask - I can see peas, carrots, corn etc. in the pictures. I am sure there is Onion, Garlic etc. in the Meatballs - are they not Greens...
I must be fucking colour blind as the closest I can see to green in those meals is pasty yellow soggy peas. I'm talking real greens if I can say that word without triggering you.


Finally - Given that we know that Teachers overwhelmingly vote Labour and the Greens - do you not think that there might be an ulterior motive to present a narrative that the system is a total shambles, perhaps motivated by ideological opposition to Luxon and Seymour....
This is so absolutely tiresome from you, yet another shoot the messenger post. Is it so hard to understand that when you get a corporation that is notorious for cutting corners to provide mass produced low nutrition meals for a tiny budget that the outcome is of a very low quality?

[sugilite]

This cockwomble should not be in charge, he cannot even ask a pretty benign no brainer question without being - well a cockwomble.


https://www.youtube.com/live/TGzacuMwgj0?si=0CqATCMV7fZfN9ZJ&t=232

[husaberg]

This one is more important to me than trump, so you get a reply.

What percentage of your class mates would you say lived in poverty and were malnourished as a result? You know the main thrust of my point.


Are you really hungry every day without a choice in the matter?


You clearly have no concept of poverty and what that entails. There needs to be balanced nutrition. These meals are anything but. I would rather my tax dollars go to a nutritional hand up to these children rather than this ?
Melted plastic , I don't consider that to be only lacking in asthetic appeal.355807

[TheDemonLord]

This one is more important to me than trump, so you get a reply.

What percentage of your class mates would you say lived in poverty and were malnourished as a result? You know the main thrust of my point.

In Primary school - quite a few - given that it serviced all the nearby council estates. Kids who couldnt afford the school uniform (which was a single jumper) were common, even though there was a ready supply of secondhand options.

Secondary school was a bit different to be fair.


Are you really hungry every day without a choice in the matter?

If I have a choice in the matter - and we both know I do, and yet I have still eaten something that was burnt and overcooked because I was hungry - that kinda refutes the point you are making.


You clearly have no concept of poverty and what that entails. There needs to be balanced nutrition. These meals are anything but. I would rather my tax dollars go to a nutritional hand up to these children rather than this bullshit.

I must be fucking colour blind as the closest I can see to green in those meals is pasty yellow soggy peas. I'm talking real greens if I can say that word without triggering you.

Peas are still greens...

But I am going to ask - what are you expecting?

A Soggy pea is as nutritional as a fresh pea. Maybe not as appetizing. Are you saying Spaghetti and Meatballs is not balanced meal?

My point is that the images you posted (not ones I went off and Cherry picked) very much remind me of the school dinners I had in the UK back in the 90s. In fact - check out this news article, that has a picture - notice the solitary fruit bowl, with two peices of fruit. Baked Beans and god-knows what else - cooked 'Fresh' (https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/nostalgia/19-things-school-dinners-were-29168412)

Simultaneously burnt and undercooked. Bland and unappealing - yet it was food and I ate it and I dont seem to have suffered any ill-effects from it.

I see a combination of Meat, Veges, Carbs etc. that look to be a balanced meal. In fact, I would go so far as to say that the images you posted compare to the likes of MREs that we give to Soldiers.

I see meals that I have made at home, for my own children. Mac and Cheese, Spaghetti and Meatballs - so you must forgive me that when I see these types of meals being provided - that they are somehow not nutritious.


This is so absolutely tiresome from you, yet another shoot the messenger post. Is it so hard to understand that when you get a corporation that is notorious for cutting corners to provide mass produced low nutrition meals for a tiny budget that the outcome is of a very low quality?

Is the inverse also so hard to understand that when you get a union that is notorious for opposing everything except for Communism to provide education, that they will invent every opportunity to have a go at a corporation?

But even that is beside the point: I look at the meals you, yourself, posted and go: yeah - it is not great and could be improved but the idea that they are so terrible as to be inedible or not nutritious - when I see things I have made myself and I have eaten myself...

----- Edit----

On a side note - I have been looking up pictures of British school lunches from the 90s - man there is some nostalgia happening, the fact that from different counties, its the same meals, with the same looking dinner ladies, the slab or square pizza, baked beans, dodgy custard etc. I have had a right old waltz down memory lane.

[roogazza]

I was widowed at a youngish age with 3 boys.

I gave them lunches for school everyday (this was in Aussie). Anyway they'd bring the lunches home and finally announced , we play at lunchtime don't bother making lunches !!!!!!!! So I stopped making them.

They would come home at 3.30pm and wipe out a loaf of bread as sandwiches and toast ! No problem with them not eating the evening meal either, they ate everything and the usual Seconds !!!!!!

An apple and a vegemite sandy is perfectly fine if they want it ? :facepalm:

[F5 Dave]

You posted just before me. Referring to Luxton.
Many kids don't have a proper breakfast.


Make them a marmite sandwich. Good one bro.

It is so short sighted to say "I'm alright Jack".

The only way to build a prosperous society is for the common chap and chapess to be able to afford to buy stuff and that helps all the way up.

The only way to that is education and to make it useful the kids need a good environment.

China did the opposite in the Great purge and Great leap forward rooting their education and sending everyone into poverty. They were literally the left but it's all Totalitarian benefits to the top. Took them generations to get over that, and only some areas.

[pete376403]

Had you considered that if a students diet was otherwise good, sure a marmite sandwich would suffice. However with the wealth gap ever increasing and more and more people falling into poverty as each successive Government fails to address core issues, many school age children are under nourished, under fed due to genuine financial restraints. Thus, for these students - and there are many, a fucking marmite sandwich is not going to cut it.
At least with the old system, the meals were nutritional and thus useful. Seymour needs to quit the smarmy comments, and sort it right out.
The whole situation needs a little more thought put in to resolve it. Luxons comments highlight how he has not the slightest idea how many nz people live day to day. The more I see of him, the more I detest what I see. Seymour too has dropped a lot in my opinion. Examples of seymours "tasty" lunches below. What a cunt. These kids need a healthy diet that at least features some greens, not this slop.


Imagine the uproar if this was served at Bellamys

[onearmedbandit]

This cockwomble should not be in charge, he cannot even ask a pretty benign no brainer question without being - well a cockwomble.


https://www.youtube.com/live/TGzacuMwgj0?si=0CqATCMV7fZfN9ZJ&t=232

Wow that was terrible. Why he couldn't just answer the question put to him is ridiculous and without logical reason.

[sugilite]

In Primary school - quite a few - given that it serviced all the nearby council estates. Kids who couldnt afford the school uniform (which was a single jumper) were common, even though there was a ready supply of secondhand options.
Yet still no empathy from you. ok.


If I have a choice in the matter - and we both know I do, and yet I have still eaten something that was burnt and overcooked because I was hungry - that kinda refutes the point you are making.
Not at all, just because YOU ate something unpalatable, does not mean crap should be foisted on kiwi kids daily. FFS. :mad:



But I am going to ask - what are you expecting?
If it were me in charge, I would pool schools into districts where they can then bargain with local growers collectively, essentially ordering from and supporting local produce suppliers, from meat through to vegetables. I would then order the creation of a NZ wide database where if it is found such produce is not available from local areas, they can either order from, or swap with other districts where said produce is obtainable. I would set up a commercial kitchen in each district that would be staffed by competent staff that know what nutrition actually is, then look at the costings of either setting up a distribution network to deliver, or see if a nz owned courier company can deliver cheaper. Yes, it would be more expensive, however, I also feel that the extra business for local produce creators and local jobs it would create, combined with the kids eating good healthy food potentially keeping them out of the health system would help (but not necessarily completely) offset the extra costs. As a tax payer, that is a plan I would happily get behind.


A Soggy pea is as nutritional as a fresh pea. Maybe not as appetizing. Are you saying Spaghetti and Meatballs is not balanced meal?
WRONG. Just the act of the preparation the peas need to go through in the process of canning, then sitting in brine for god knows how long will leach the good stuff out of them. How you cook veges has a massive impact on what vitamins and minerals are retained. And NO Spaghetti and meatballs alone is not a nutritionally balanced meal. Neither is butter chicken up to 11 times in a fucking row.



Simultaneously burnt and undercooked. Bland and unappealing - yet it was food and I ate it and I dont seem to have suffered any ill-effects from it.
This is deeply flawed logic, right on brand for right wing leaning people though. It is the same bullshit logic jenny shitley used when she was pm and went on the dole for a week. Never mind her power bills were already paid, and her fridge was full - just as you were never malnourished, and nor did you live in poverty. This situation cannot be compared to your own personal circumstances. In short, this is not about you.



I see meals that I have made at home, for my own children. Mac and Cheese, Spaghetti and Meatballs - so you must forgive me that when I see these types of meals being provided - that they are somehow not nutritious.

Put just a small percentage of the same effort you put into kb posts into researching good nutrition and meal preparation - one day, your children will thank you for that.


Is the inverse also so hard to understand that when you get a union that is notorious for opposing everything except for Communism to provide education, that they will invent every opportunity to have a go at a corporation?

Arrrrrggggg. This corporation is not actually failing. They are demonstrably delivering crap food that they are contracted to do. It is seymours failing that he lowered the bar to a level that is wholly and entirely unacceptable to me. I view that david is wasting my tax money and is taking a metaphorical shit in these poor kids lunch tray just so he can boast to his wealthy overlords that he is getting the cash together for their inevitable tax cuts. Fuck off.

[sugilite]

Melted plastic , I don't consider that to be only lacking in asthetic appeal.355807
Yeah, that was really bad.


I was widowed at a youngish age with 3 boys.

I gave them lunches for school everyday (this was in Aussie). Anyway they'd bring the lunches home and finally announced , we play at lunchtime don't bother making lunches !!!!!!!! So I stopped making them.

They would come home at 3.30pm and wipe out a loaf of bread as sandwiches and toast ! No problem with them not eating the evening meal either, they ate everything and the usual Seconds !!!!!!

An apple and a vegemite sandy is perfectly fine if they want it ? :facepalm:
Good for you! My ex left me with 4 kids to go and live her best life, which looked just like her old life minus the kids - anyways, I grew loads of brocalli, silverbeat and other veges, it was not hard and they barely ever needed to see a doctor. When my 2nd son crashed his bike and I took him in at age 19 the doctor literally said "Where have you been hiding this one?"


Imagine the uproar if this was served at Bellamys
Justice would be them being forced to eat it - 11 butter chickens in a row lol


Wow that was terrible. Why he couldn't just answer the question put to him is ridiculous and without logical reason.
I wondered the exact same thing. and how did he not know just how bad it looked for him? When he has one of the most right wing friendly journalists telling him that he has an image problem because of such behavior, only for luxon to immediately blow him off and keep doing it surely must put luxon in the beyond fixing column.

[TheDemonLord]

Yet still no empathy from you. ok.

Not at all, just because YOU ate something unpalatable, does not mean crap should be foisted on kiwi kids daily. FFS. :mad:

Are kids better than me?

It would be one thing if I would say it is good enough for Children but would never eat something that was overdone myself, but that is not true.


If it were me in charge, I would pool schools into districts where they can then bargain with local growers collectively, essentially ordering from and supporting local produce suppliers, from meat through to vegetables. I would then order the creation of a NZ wide database where if it is found such produce is not available from local areas, they can either order from, or swap with other districts where said produce is obtainable. I would set up a commercial kitchen in each district that would be staffed by competent staff that know what nutrition actually is, then look at the costings of either setting up a distribution network to deliver, or see if a nz owned courier company can deliver cheaper. Yes, it would be more expensive, however, I also feel that the extra business for local produce creators and local jobs it would create, combined with the kids eating good healthy food potentially keeping them out of the health system would help (but not necessarily completely) offset the extra costs. As a tax payer, that is a plan I would happily get behind.

A reasonably sound plan that I could get behind, there are potential issues I can forsee, but the overall structure has merit.

See, I am not as opposed as you think I am.


WRONG. Just the act of the preparation the peas need to go through in the process of canning, then sitting in brine for god knows how long will leach the good stuff out of them. How you cook veges has a massive impact on what vitamins and minerals are retained. And NO Spaghetti and meatballs alone is not a nutritionally balanced meal. Neither is butter chicken up to 11 times in a fucking row.

Put just a small percentage of the same effort you put into kb posts into researching good nutrition and meal preparation - one day, your children will thank you for that.


Okay sure - Vitamin C and Vitamin B (because they are water soluble) can deplete by 40% if they are boiled.

That said - Vitamin C deficiency, especially in Children in NZ, is virtually unheard of. A Half cup of Orange juice per day would be sufficient. The overal Calorific amount and more specifically the Carbohydrates (to give them the energy to learn) are not effected.

And I mean - look at the English Diet, especially of the 90s - Boiled Vege for everyone - yet Vitamin C deficiencies were unheard of.

When I say a nutritionally balanced meal - I mean we have Carbs, Proteins, Fats, Sugars, Salt etc. If it was all that anyone ever ate, yes I would agree that is a problem - just as (wait for it) - I agree the same meal for over two weeks is an issue.

But is not the end-of-the-world issue that it is being made out to be.

No one is going to die or be intellectually crippled for life from eating butter chicken for 11 days.

(Cue the story of my Mum when my older brother went through a phase of only eating Chicken Nuggets)


This is deeply flawed logic, right on brand for right wing leaning people though. It is the same bullshit logic jenny shitley used when she was pm and went on the dole for a week. Never mind her power bills were already paid, and her fridge was full - just as you were never malnourished, and nor did you live in poverty. This situation cannot be compared to your own personal circumstances. In short, this is not about you.

When you say Malnourished - what exactly do you mean. Cause I get the impression we are not talking about the same thing. When I say it - I am talking not getting sufficient calorific intake to grow and develop properly, but it seems to me you are talking about specific nutrient deficiencies.

As such - when I say Malnourished, the solution is to eat more food - simple as. Get succient calories for young bodies to grow. The usual symptom is that the person is constantly hungry, which also impacts ability to learn (hard to concentrate when your tummy is grumbling) - and if they are hungry in that sense, then yeah - the crap school dinners that I remember from the 90s, whilst not yummy or fantastic, served the purpose.

It seems you are talking about a different issue though - so clarity here would be good.


Arrrrrggggg. This corporation is not actually failing. They are demonstrably delivering crap food that they are contracted to do. It is seymours failing that he lowered the bar to a level that is wholly and entirely unacceptable to me. I view that david is wasting my tax money and is taking a metaphorical shit in these poor kids lunch tray just so he can boast to his wealthy overlords that he is getting the cash together for their inevitable tax cuts. Fuck off.

I see it as delivering the bare minimum to meet the standard. Which is what I would expect.

The other view is to look at the amount of money Labour were spending and say that yes, The government needs to cut spending and not just for the presumed inevitable tax cut.

[sugilite]

Are kids better than me?

It would be one thing if I would say it is good enough for Children but would never eat something that was overdone myself, but that is not true.
I do not see what you eat as being relevant to the conversation.


A reasonably sound plan that I could get behind, there are potential issues I can forsee, but the overall structure has merit.

See, I am not as opposed as you think I am.

Yeah, any plan will have downsides that would need to be mitigated. I did not assume you would pooh pooh it.


Okay sure - Vitamin C and Vitamin B (because they are water soluble) can deplete by 40% if they are boiled.

That said - Vitamin C deficiency, especially in Children in NZ, is virtually unheard of. A Half cup of Orange juice per day would be sufficient. The overal Calorific amount and more specifically the Carbohydrates (to give them the energy to learn) are not effected.
Good bloody gracious, do you think that it might be possible the kiwis most at risk could just be the ones literally at the bottom of the food chain :mellow:


When I say a nutritionally balanced meal - I mean we have Carbs, Proteins, Fats, Sugars, Salt etc. If it was all that anyone ever ate, yes I would agree that is a problem - just as (wait for it) - I agree the same meal for over two weeks is an issue.
Meat and fresh vegetables, it is not complex.


When you say Malnourished - what exactly do you mean. Cause I get the impression we are not talking about the same thing. When I say it - I am talking not getting sufficient calorific intake to grow and develop properly, but it seems to me you are talking about specific nutrient deficiencies.

It seems you are talking about a different issue though - so clarity here would be good.
Fair enough, so through my exes family I saw a lot of this child poverty first hand. There is no food in the pantry, nothing in the cupboards. The food they do get is not received on any sort of schedule, and is always of the cheapest possible type - read over processed rubbish. I cannot emphasize strongly enough a lot of these kids do not live by anything that remotely resembles routine in their lives - save for one thing, school. So when I talk malnourished this is what I'm talking about. So obviously I'm on board that these kids get at least a chance of getting the nutrients, minerals 5 days a week to make up the difference. I am not on board with cunt seymour looking to basically circumnavigate the entire process just to save a few pennies for the wealthy. Every government has a great many inefficiencies that need to be addressed. This one is no different. I swallowed a dead rat to vote for david because I was under the illusion he would cut red tape and work on government efficiency. I did not give him a mandate to shit on the very people that need help the most.


I see it as delivering the bare minimum to meet the standard. Which is what I would expect.
I expect the people voted in by New Zealanders to look after such things - should as a matter of pride do more than the expected minimum.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Wow that was terrible. Why he couldn't just answer the question put to him is ridiculous and without logical reason.

he's a vacant cunt and not pretty vacant either. Fucking clown. "I used to run an airline" I could have run Air NZ in those times: he had inherited a bailed out, superbly organised outfit that was brought back from the brink by Rob Fyffe (an actual fighter pilot btw) and had fair economic winds meaning people had money and could and did travel. Then that vapid blancmange blank got put in charge for no good reason - presumably Kermit the frog and Basil Brush were busy. Marketing fucking speak, zero substance and the entireity of the cabinet havent got a clue collectively. No wonder the wannabe fascist weasel and brown Yoda are making him look even more stupid.

Best thing? He is fucking up and I hope they are a one term government.

I should declare a bias (though I hope I have only hinted at it)- I am an anarcho-socialist by inclination and wouldnt vote for those cunts if it was a one party state (which they want of course).

[HenryDorsetCase]

Are kids better than me?



I'll go with yes.

[R650R]

Best thing? He is fucking up and I hope they are a one term government.

I should declare a bias (though I hope I have only hinted at it)- I am an anarcho-socialist by inclination and wouldnt vote for those cunts if it was a one party state (which they want of course).

People are not going to forget the previous six years in a hurry, people prob didn’t vote so much as for national but just to start again afresh with anything but what we currently had at time.

To the coalitions credit they are delivering in core promises related to being tougher on crime and gangs, roads are being upgraded (no one likes traffic even it’s on way to train station), the idea of co governance is gone, getting rid of wasteful spending and media bribery.

Meanwhile those that would be labours coalitions partners are getting more extremist by the day. Until laboursxwilling to cut that deadweight dragging it down it hasn’t got a chance.

Yes Nats have made many errors but there clumsy stuff rather than big things the others got wrong.

[pritch]

People are not going to forget the previous six years in a hurry, people prob didn’t vote so much as for national but just to start again afresh with anything but what we currently had at time.

To the coalitions credit they are delivering in core promises related to being tougher on crime and gangs, roads are being upgraded (no one likes traffic even it’s on way to train station), the idea of co governance is gone, getting rid of wasteful spending and media bribery.

Meanwhile those that would be labours coalitions partners are getting more extremist by the day. Until laboursxwilling to cut that deadweight dragging it down it hasn’t got a chance.

Yes Nats have made many errors but there clumsy stuff rather than big things the others got wrong.

Shit oh dear. Have you ever been swigging the Koolaid.

On extremist coalition partners, both sides have them. TMP seem problematical. The Speaker could start by making them comply with the rules of the House. Not just whichever rules they decide are acceptable to them.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Shit oh dear. Have you ever been swigging the Koolaid.

On extremist coalition partners, both sides have them. TMP seem problematical. The Speaker could start by making them comply with the rules of the House. Not just whichever rules they decide are acceptable to them.

Stop colonising me, maaaan! You're oppressing me!

[husaberg]

he's a vacant cunt and not pretty vacant either. Fucking clown. "I used to run an airline" I could have run Air NZ in those times: he had inherited a bailed out, superbly organised outfit that was brought back from the brink by Rob Fyffe (an actual fighter pilot btw) and had fair economic winds meaning people had money and could and did travel. Then that vapid blancmange blank got put in charge for no good reason - presumably Kermit the frog and Basil Brush were busy. Marketing fucking speak, zero substance and the entireity of the cabinet havent got a clue collectively. No wonder the wannabe fascist weasel and brown Yoda are making him look even more stupid.

Best thing? He is fucking up and I hope they are a one term government.

I should declare a bias (though I hope I have only hinted at it)- I am an anarcho-socialist by inclination and wouldnt vote for those cunts if it was a one party state (which they want of course).

355848
history tells the story what happens when the peasants don't get enough food.
It seems some has forgot there are more peasent than upperclassmen....

[caseye]

He's gorn! Welcome Judith!:corn:

[pritch]

If the availability of food is so great in this country how come we have Victorian era diseases of malnutrition?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/540600/rickets-sees-resurgence-with-20-cases-in-four-months

[neels]

If the availability of food is so great in this country how come we have Victorian era diseases of malnutrition?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/540600/rickets-sees-resurgence-with-20-cases-in-four-months
We also have an abundance of sunlight, which is free. I had to google what foods vitamin D comes from, the two that stand out as having become excessively expensive are eggs and cheese, so that might be a clue.

In other news, I don't recall anyone getting burns from a marmite sandwich........

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360605421/student-taken-hospital-after-being-burnt-hot-school-lunch

[husaberg]

We also have an abundance of sunlight, which is free. I had to google what foods vitamin D comes from, the two that stand out as having become excessively expensive are eggs and cheese, so that might be a clue.

In other news, I don't recall anyone getting burns from a marmite sandwich........

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360605421/student-taken-hospital-after-being-burnt-hot-school-lunch

I think you will find the reason for re-emergence of rickets is a lack of calcium. Rather than sunlight or vitamin D.
Whilst it's true one can lead to the other.
But open to correction.

[neels]

I think you will find the reason for re-emergence of rickets is a lack of calcium. Rather than sunlight or vitamin D.
Whilst it's true one can lead to the other.
But open to correction.
See now you've made me go and educate myself, and on a Friday afternoon no less.

Interesting that the article didn't mention calcium, only vitamin D supplements, but some further reading suggests that vitamin D enables absorption of calcium. So it presumably follows that no amount of vitamin D is going to help if there's no calcium to absorb in the first place?

Is the answer to have them eat yoghurt (or perhaps a marmite sandwich made with butter) while standing outside in direct sunlight?

[husaberg]

See now you've made me go and educate myself, and on a Friday afternoon no less.

Interesting that the article didn't mention calcium, only vitamin D supplements, but some further reading suggests that vitamin D enables absorption of calcium. So it presumably follows that no amount of vitamin D is going to help if there's no calcium to absorb in the first place?

Is the answer to have them eat yoghurt (or perhaps a marmite sandwich made with butter) while standing outside in direct sunlight?


By adding the Vitamin D to stuff we are basically trying to ensure if they are slightly lacking in Calcium, as a workaround . we are helping them utilise what Calcium they have in the diet better with a decrease in dairy whether by cost or diet changes or both. Remember Lactose intolerance is on the rise.
People eating more highly processed food etc.
Whilst oat milk etc is fortified with additional Calcuim. It's not in a form that the body as readily uptakes.
Unless they are locked in the basement or working underground or on night shift. Lack of sunshine adding vitamin d is unlikely to be an issue in itself.
That said they are teens these days with diets that don't really include much outside nuggets and chips. So who knows.

One of the first Ge foods was golden rice that added Vitamin A whilst I am sure the CTIs with think it was out to get it added beta carotene which I also gives grass feed butter its bright yellow colour and also free range eggs its rich colour its why out grass fed milk is creamier colour than maize and grain fed cows.

Another vitamin interactions with minerals can see animals effectively starve to death in-spite of plenty of feed Google "bush sickness"
That was one of the main reasons until it was discovered that so many trees were planted in the central plateau.

Marmite and butter is an awesome combo.
For years we didn't have butter for anything outside of baking.
We started using it again and its spreads and lasts fine on the bench in a crock.
Tastes 300 timesbetter than an margarine I forgot how good it tastes.

[pritch]

We also have an abundance of sunlight, which is free. I had to google what foods vitamin D comes from, the two that stand out as having become excessively expensive are eggs and cheese, so that might be a clue.

In other news, I don't recall anyone getting burns from a marmite sandwich........

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360605421/student-taken-hospital-after-being-burnt-hot-school-lunch

Yeah. It was kinda interesting that getting vitamin D from sunlight doesn't work as well for our darker skinned brothers. I didn't think of that but it makes sense.

[onearmedbandit]

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/18WRnKS4pL/

Hahah so well done. You don't need an account to enjoy this.

[Berries]

That dude ate the pasta.

[1/32 man]

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/18WRnKS4pL/

Hahah so well done. You don't need an account to enjoy this.

I saw that over on FB too. Had a chuckle.

Luxon is the man who speaks but says nothing.....a bit like that other dick who loved the phrase, "at the end of the day" and used it to death.

[pritch]

There is a podcast “Countdown” by Keith Olbermann, a former US TV personality. Each podcast contains a segment “Worst Person In The World.” There are gold, silver, and bronze awards. Last night’s gold winner, somewhat to my surprise, was Christopher Luxon. That’s right, our very own former deodorant salesman.

The award arises from the sacking of Phil Goff as High Commissioner to Britain. Goff had mentioned that Trump had restored the bust of Churchill to the Oval Office but questioned if Trump understood history. Trump decidedly does not understand history, he thinks there were aeroplanes in the 1770s. Goff then quoted Winston Churchill, “You had the choice between war and dishonour. You chose dishonour yet you will have war.”

Olbermann, had used the same Churchillian quote following Trump's farcical White House meeting with Zelenski so he took Goff’s sacking personally. And said so. He mentioned Luxon’s career in deodorants and personal grooming. Personally I have some difficulty understanding how a bald dude can speak authoritatively on hair products. Then again speaking authoritatively is not something normally associated with Christopher Luxon.

The end result is that a million or so people in the US who had never heard of Luxon now know of him. That it is as ‘the worst person in the world’ is just a detail.

[onearmedbandit]

Pity it wasn't Luxon who sacked Goff. Not sure what deodorants have to do with baldness.

All that aside, he is in my eyes coming across rather poorly as a leader.

[pritch]

Pity it wasn't Luxon who sacked Goff. Not sure what deodorants have to do with baldness.

All that aside, he is in my eyes coming across rather poorly as a leader.

Coupla things: the item mentioned that the original decision was Peter's but Luxon backed it. As mentioned Luxon's remit was deodorants and "personal grooming". The latter covers hair products.

[onearmedbandit]

Your post didn't make that clear so left ambiguity. That Luxon backed his minister is in my book a good thing for stability in the party's ranks and preferable to him undermining his minister in his role. Luxon worked for Unilever for over 18yrs, in many roles, as high as CEO in Canada. I guess they felt he was well qualified for the role despite his lack of hair lol.

[husaberg]

Is it just me or does or prime minister Chris look more and more like a roll on deodorant he used to hawk each day.
Even the public appear genuinely confused.
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[pete376403]

Your post didn't make that clear so left ambiguity. That Luxon backed his minister is in my book a good thing for stability in the party's ranks and preferable to him undermining his minister in his role. .
National, having made the deal with ACT and NZFirst, has to support Seymour and Peters. The tail(s) wag the dog. Seymour and Peters, however, will have no problem undermining Luxon if it suits their purpose. The govt should be known as the cerberus party, after the three headed dog that prevent souls from leaving hell

[onearmedbandit]

National, having made the deal with ACT and NZFirst, has to support Seymour and Peters. The tail(s) wag the dog. Seymour and Peters, however, will have no problem undermining Luxon if it suits their purpose.

That's a valid point.

[F5 Dave]

Well I won't start a Willis thread and place this here.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360605837/live-nz-politics-blog


To summarise, Nicola met with her old boss (figuratively) and concluded that NZ weren't getting a Raw deal.

We can all be happy that Fonterra are making lots fo export money and that is going to trickle down (and that always works great) to NZ public (maybe if you are a shareholder).
Also we should look at what the supermarkets are making, look over there.
We won't do anything about that either, just wring our hands and then walk away.


Well that's encouraging. Here was me thinking that, while they were making x% margin on NZ market and that was ok then. But now, Turns out that if they sent all our Domestic product overseas As well as the Export stuff, they would make more margin.

So it is ok to charge the NZ public more. So we deserve it, see?

Aren't they being nice to us?:buggerd:

[husaberg]

Well I won't start a Willis thread and place this here.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360605837/live-nz-politics-blog


To summarise, Nicola met with her old boss (figuratively) and concluded that NZ weren't getting a Raw deal.

We can all be happy that Fonterra are making lots fo export money and that is going to trickle down (and that always works great) to NZ public (maybe if you are a shareholder).
Also we should look at what the supermarkets are making, look over there.
We won't do anything about that either, just wring our hands and then walk away.


Well that's encouraging. Here was me thinking that, while they were making x% margin on NZ market and that was ok then. But now, Turns out that if they sent all our Domestic product overseas As well as the Export stuff, they would make more margin.

So it is ok to charge the NZ public more. So we deserve it, see?

Aren't they being nice to us?:buggerd:

What's funny is Fonterra, being a privately owned company, in a free market is called in to explain to the Nats why they are using a free market model for pricing and not what the Nats would prefer in their "communist ideal ",where Fonterra would subsidise potential national party voters...:weird:

[F5 Dave]

It was just political theatre.
It would be like Luxton calling in Air NZ ceo to explain how they seem to be cutting services and charging like there's a red cape to gore.

Oh hello Francis. How are the wife and kids? Are you coming to the NY party this year?
Anyway, tell us how our share portfolio will increase while you [insert corporate talk] the consumers up the arse?


And no. I don't think labour politicians would be less disingenuous when self interest and funding were involved.

[HenryDorsetCase]

That's a valid point.

played out in the news every day. Today's example is about transgender sports - real people dont care about that. Real people care about paying their rates, affording butter at the hypermart and putting gas in their motorbikes. Luxon is fucking weak.

Say it with me peeps: these fuckers need to be a one-term gubblemunt.

[HenryDorsetCase]

What's funny is Fonterra, being a privately owned company, in a free market is called in to explain to the Nats why they are using a free market model for pricing and not what the Nats would prefer in their "communist ideal ",where Fonterra would subsidise potential national party voters...:weird:

I have a question. The gubblemunt is finally making noise about the supermarket duopoly and their visegrip on the supply chain and their ability to gouge consumers... so far lip service only but maybe something will come out of it. Similar legislative shenanigans were required to create the Font Error monopoly. Why not talk about busting that shit up? The "justification" was "Its so it can compete in world markets". Its effect is literally pricing locals out of being able to afford the products, which are staples in most households.

Maybe its time for some old fashioned seizing of the means of production by the proletariat?

Oh wait "Virgin Island" is on. Maybe after that.

Get with it sheeple!

[R650R]

Say it with me peeps: these fuckers need to be a one-term gubblemunt.

Are we forgetting already that most of current troubles were created by the other option which held power for NINE years with a “mandate” from the people. During that time we had an absolute failure to build even a small percentage of promised social housing, failure on promise of ending child poverty, and crime increased especially against vulnerable small businesses.
Rampant wasteful spending by central govt created more inflation and devalued our purchasing power leading to today’s butter prices.
National, Act and Winston arent without their faults but there’s some very big reasons why a majority voted them to power.
People won’t forget the Jacinda years in a hurry, the coalition would have to do orders of magnitude worse than now for the other option to be voted in again.

[sugilite]

played out in the news every day. Today's example is about transgender sports - real people dont care about that. Real people care about paying their rates, affording butter at the hypermart and putting gas in their motorbikes. Luxon is fucking weak.

Say it with me peeps: these fuckers need to be a one-term gubblemunt.

I reckon Labor have got to jettison Hipkins as leader first to stand a chance, he just comes across as weak and not leadership material imo.

The Natwits, Actroll, NZ Last coalition have failed miserably to fix the economy as they promised they would. Yes, the last mob left a mess (they all say that no matter what), but here we are 1.5 years later and the needle is still moving in the wrong fucking direction.
Just this week....
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/567533/inflation-hits-12-month-high-of-2-point-7-percent
Unemployment still rising
And more worryingly homelessness is rising fast, and the way this bullshit government are fudging the numbers to present to the public is about as transparent as a concrete block - if the real numbers were released......well......


I have a question. The gubblemunt is finally making noise about the supermarket duopoly and their visegrip on the supply chain and their ability to gouge consumers... so far lip service only but maybe something will come out of it.

Ahhh yes, fuck we need a bit of a distraction from this rising inflation! Which of the two oldest chestnuts are we going to make out we are working on this time??? Supermarket duopoly or Gas Prices? Fuck, petrol is low right now, duopoly it is! ©️Natwits ©️Laboured

[husaberg]

I have a question. The gubblemunt is finally making noise about the supermarket duopoly and their visegrip on the supply chain and their ability to gouge consumers... so far lip service only but maybe something will come out of it. Similar legislative shenanigans were required to create the Font Error monopoly. Why not talk about busting that shit up? The "justification" was "Its so it can compete in world markets". Its effect is literally pricing locals out of being able to afford the products, which are staples in most households.

Maybe its time for some old fashioned seizing of the means of production by the proletariat?

Oh wait "Virgin Island" is on. Maybe after that.

Get with it sheeple!

i do love the idea of a good old revolution. Not the reality of course. :)
The red ones made some noise about the banks and the supermarkets even were going to fine them maybe they did ,but it went all quiet suddenly.
The blue were going to have an inquiry but it went all quiet, as you will they were not get jobs on their boards after your political career is over if you make too many waves.....
come out to Ruapuna on sat i will be giving out butter and revolutionary party memberships. (special conditions apply)

[pritch]

People won’t forget the Jacinda years in a hurry,

You are right. We were incredibly lucky to have her at the time. If National were in power they'd have fucked up the COVID response like Boris and Trump did. Tens of thousands would have died. What most people fail to consider is that they themselves might have been among the tens of thousands.

[husaberg]

You are right. We were incredibly lucky to have her at the time. If National were in power they'd have fucked up the COVID response like Boris and Trump did. Tens of thousands would have died. What most people fail to consider is that they themselves might have been among the tens of thousands.

Yeah but those poor that didn't have medical insurance or were not living in a slum would not have been core National/Act voters.....
National and Act agreed with all the initial decisions but now their supporters want to rewrite history somewhat...
killing of the oldies would have cost the taxpayer less and most of them would have been winston voters so two birds...

[F5 Dave]

There is no question that English would have toed the line to keep tourism going in blind ignorance. Then yes we would have been so much more affected and be aghast that our hospitals couldn't cope. We'd have been like New York in our cities, not able to cope or have ambulances to get sick people as they'd be parked up full.

Stupid fucks didn't pay attention to the news overseas and say "oh it wasn't that bad"
Yeah. It wasn't Because of the path the government took.

When it finally came in it was a milder strain and most were vaccinated.

Maybe they went overboard with trying to prop the economy up, but some drastic things were happening overseas.

[husaberg]

There is no question that English would have toed the line to keep tourism going in blind ignorance. Then yes we would have been so much more affected and be aghast that our hospitals couldn't cope. We'd have been like New York in our cities, not able to cope or have ambulances to get sick people as they'd be parked up full.

Stupid fucks didn't pay attention to the news overseas and say "oh it wasn't that bad"
Yeah. It wasn't Because of the path the government took.

When it finally came in it was a milder strain and most were vaccinated.

Maybe they went overboard with trying to prop the economy up, but some drastic things were happening overseas.

Lost my original post,
But take a few minutes to listen to this 22-25 % Samoan of population in 3 weeks, In contrast NZ lost 2-3% in WW1 anf the Spanish Flu.

<iframe width="681" height="383" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/BhIFpqniMtU" title="S2 E1: Epidemic: The Story Of Robert Logan | Black Sheep" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" referrerpolicy="strict-origin-when-cross-origin" allowfullscreen></iframe>

it wont effect the antivaxers though, they know better and can predict epidemics and virus mutations better than scientists can.

[Katman]

Today's example is about transgender sports - real people dont care about that.

A fuck load of real people* would beg to differ.




*Those of us not confused about their gender.

[Katman]

You are right. We were incredibly lucky to have her at the time. If National were in power they'd have fucked up the COVID response like Boris and Trump did. Tens of thousands would have died. What most people fail to consider is that they themselves might have been among the tens of thousands.

Ok Chicken Little.

[husaberg]

Ok Chicken Little.

Your narcissistic hypocrisy never ceases to astound.

Was it like this one?
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/06/160616140723.htm
Because if it is, Andrew Wakefield established a link between gastrointestinal problems and autism back in 1998.

They predict that if the current rate of increase continues, by 2030 we'll be at 1 in 2 diagnosed with autism.


So has anyone given any thought to what society is going to be like in the 2030's once every second one of us is autistic?

[F5 Dave]

I'll take a stab at that.
Not so prone to lying.
Not so likely to break laws.
Not so prone to stealing.

Heck if we could have 1/2 the population like that, on top of being able to produce free thinkers responsible for many of the sw and engineering solutions. I've worked with engineers all my life and a lot seem to end up there.

Where snarky little bitches wring thier hands and say it like an insult .

[HenryDorsetCase]

Your narcissistic hypocrisy never ceases to astound.

Did that fuckwit really quote Andrew Wakefield as a credible source? BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA


Andrew Jeremy Wakefield (born 3 September 1956[4][5][a]) is a British fraudster, anti-vaccine activist, and disgraced former physician. He was struck off the medical register for "serious professional misconduct"[8] due to his involvement in the fraudulent 1998 Lancet MMR autism study that falsely claimed a link between the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine and autism.

[husaberg]

Did that fuckwit really quote Andrew Wakefield as a credible source? BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA

He's quoted him over 45 times....One might say he's a real fangirl.....:innocent:
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/search.php?searchid=24468980

[sugilite]

The coalition of self service is at it again. during election process "Nurses and Police need support, they are among our most important assets" :sick:
Get into power and stiff them big time.:angry2:

And now they want to give their wealthy self serving crown board serving mates with altruistic motivations an 80% rise - 80 freaking percent. Greedy fuckers.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360773657/cabinet-ministers-defend-hiking-board-fees-crown-bodies