Luxon ?

[1/32 man]

Is Mr Luxon, leader of the opposition, an evangelical Christian?

[TheDemonLord]

Depends in what sense you mean 'Evangelical'.

I've not heard Mr Luxon mention God every other word, so if he's going for the evangelizing definition, he's doing it rather badly. I did a quick google search and of Luxon and God - 3 articles in 3 years - again, hardly spouting the word of the lord to the great unwashed heathen masses.

I did read an article from a Lefty blog - which talked about whether someone who says they hold an evangelical view can be trusted in power. Putting aside the obvious political hackery and bias of the site, it made a good point - can someone who has a personal and private view on an issue be trusted with a public view.

The example that came to mind strongly was this from JRM (who I happen to like, even if he is a devout Catholic) - where he explains this exact issue:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE6WC_BVZ4Q

All I'll add is that it would be nice if every Socialist/Marxist who was an MP got grilled this hard if they wanted to overthrow the Capitalist West...

[R650R]

Why would it matter. The bill of rights and international law protects someone’s right for freedom of association and expression of religious beliefs.
Our laws and moral values are all based on the Ten Commandments in bible.
The left can’t handle a belief in hope for better future rather than an anarchist belief that everything in the world is rotten, failing and needing to be destroyed.
The guys policy ideas and business success must be great if we are reduced to talking about his religious beliefs....

[HenryDorsetCase]

anarchist belief that everything in the world is rotten, failing and needing to be destroyed.
.

That is not what anarchism is about. Look it up.

Its about as knee jerk and hateful as my response to any right winger, and any religious nutjob.

so much for not engaging

[pritch]

Why would it matter. The bill of rights and international law protects someone’s right for freedom of association and expression of religious beliefs.
Our laws and moral values are all based on the Ten Commandments in bible.
The left can’t handle a belief in hope for better future rather than an anarchist belief that everything in the world is rotten, failing and needing to be destroyed.
The guys policy ideas and business success must be great if we are reduced to talking about his religious beliefs....

If someone was a radical Muslim fundamentalist that would normally carry with it certain preconceived expectations.
Radical Christian fundamentalists don't come with the same expectations, but they should. There is very little difference.



I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ. - Mahatma Gandhi

[Laava]

If someone was a radical Muslim fundamentalist that would normally carry with it certain preconceived expectations.
Radical Christian fundamentalists don't come with the same expectations, but they should. There is very little difference.



I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ. - Mahatma Gandhi
Well said that man.
I am sick of people crapping on about the laws of our country being based on the 10 commandments. That may have had a basis in fact at some point but they seem to be based mostly on common sense rather than some outdated scripture imo. I had this out with a redneck christian recently and asked for an example and predictably, he said, “thou shalt not kill”. I asked him if that concept was exclusive to christianity whereupon he had to concede that it clearly isnt. Etc. FFS.

[R650R]

If someone was a radical Muslim fundamentalist that would normally carry with it certain preconceived expectations.
Radical Christian fundamentalists don't come with the same expectations, but they should. There is very little difference.



I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ. - Mahatma Gandhi

So we’re moving now from evangelical to he’s an extreme fundamentalist???? Pretty desperate...

I’d just like to take a moment yo remind people that 20% of our population now expects a prayer at every work/council/school/govt meeting session. If we’re gonna be ok with that then what’s wrong with pm believing in god?
If we end up with a Jewish, Hindu, or Muslim pm will you still be worried or are you just anti Christian????

[R650R]

. I had this out with a redneck christian recently and asked for an example and predictably, he said, “thou shalt not kill”. I asked him if that concept was exclusive to christianity whereupon he had to concede that it clearly isnt. Etc. FFS.

Well you could forgive the other religions and people sharing ideas like that. You’d almost think that there were/are people who travel the world on a mission to spread word of god to other countries. We could probably call them missionaries...

[neels]

There will always be an element of personal belief colouring a human person's thinking.

FundaMENTALists of any type are problematic.

[F5 Dave]

I thought this thread was going to start with:

Bit dodgy eh?




Where's Berries when you need him?

[husaberg]

I thought this thread was going to start with:

Bit dodgy eh?




Where's Berries when you need him?

Well i hear there is a story about him and a male fight attendant.....
plus it seems his wife is a habitual shoplifter plus stealer from charities or so i heard.....today about lunchtime.... tons of charges pending ....but you know hidden... :whistle:

it says a lot of the best person to lead a country hasn't even been a Mp for 2 years.
Not that the other lot have any better wet fish...
but not as scary as thinking that Seymour might have some power he's idiot leader of a idiot mob.

[Laava]

I thought this thread was going to start with:

Bit dodgy eh?




Where's Berries when you need him?
I was dissapoint!

[TheDemonLord]

If someone was a radical Muslim fundamentalist that would normally carry with it certain preconceived expectations.
Radical Christian fundamentalists don't come with the same expectations, but they should. There is very little difference.



I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ. - Mahatma Gandhi

I mean, you make a good point, but then I can't remember the last time Radical Christian fundamentalists flew into a Building, or burned people alive or....


but if it makes you happy - I completely agree - they should.

So to should all Socialists.

[Berries]

I thought this thread was going to start with:

Bit dodgy eh?

Where's Berries when you need him?
To be honest I didn't think he justified a thread as he won't be around for the election, a bit like Pipkins.

Bring back Crusher.

[pritch]

Bring back Crusher.

I love that nickname. She never crushed anything, she was an abject failure but the name sticks. Seriously though, she may make a comeback and it would not be good.

[pritch]

So we’re moving now from evangelical to he’s an extreme fundamentalist???? Pretty desperate...

Perhaps not all evangelicals are fundamentalists but Christian fundamentalists tend to be evangelicals. That he is an evangelical shows a lack of judgment on his part and I don't want a PM who lacks judgement and is subject to mass hysteria or cult mentality as evangelicals tend to be.



I’d just like to take a moment yo remind people that 20% of our population now expects a prayer at every work/council/school/govt meeting session.

Couldn't resist the opportunity to work in a little redneck racism there I see.

[TheDemonLord]

I don't want a PM who lacks judgement and is subject to mass hysteria or cult mentality as evangelicals tend to be.

So nice to see you are finally coming round to see Jacinda for what she really was...

[pete376403]

Well i hear there is a story about him and a male fight attendant.....
plus it seems his wife is a habitual shoplifter plus stealer from charities or so i heard.....today about lunchtime.... tons of charges pending ....but you know hidden... :whistle:

it says a lot of the best person to lead a country hasn't even been a Mp for 2 years.

Didn't do so well in his last job either - Air NZ received yet another government bailout just after he left.

[F5 Dave]

If this was a Trump thread someone would be claiming it was a successful business deal.

That's our money used to pay them for the slow of thinking.

[Laava]

Is Lucksin going to do anything other than just moan on about anything that labour does? I mean, who wants to vote for a miserable prick like that? He would be better off finding something positive to build upon rather than tear down an opposing party just on oppositional principle. What a fucking putz. Hope National can find a worthy leader so we are back to having a good choice either way…

[george formby]

Is Lucksin going to do anything other than just moan on about anything that labour does? I mean, who wants to vote for a miserable prick like that? He would be better off finding something positive to build upon rather than tear down an opposing party just on oppositional principle. What a fucking putz. Hope National can find a worthy leader so we are back to having a good choice either way…

Exacary what I thought. Listening to pollies slagging each other off rather than being constructive really rips my nightie.

[F5 Dave]

x3. There should be at least two credible parties and a couple of Characters in the sidelines. Dont know if Seamore is a character. . . Hes certainly a something. Still needs an H on his forehead.

Winston was a character in the 90s but moved to curmudgeon thereafter.

Ditch Luxton and try find . . . well, am I really going to say another Key? Well, you know what I mean.

[pritch]

Luxon offers nothing of substance. He just makes vague statements about "failed policies" without mentioning which. There can't be many. His followers love to post out that it doesn't matter if we rank number one. They want better.

Currently our economy is right near the top of the international heap. Anyone who thinks an evangelical, inexperienced, egotist who ignored the advice of John Key is going to do better should consult a shrink.

Yes, I did have wine with my pappardelle Bolognaise.

[F5 Dave]

Ha, that's what we had tonight, real thick stuff . But I abstained from the wine as it's a school night and my body is a temple (but with less holy men coming into it).

[Berries]

I love that nickname. She never crushed anything, she was an abject failure but the name sticks. Seriously though, she may make a comeback and it would not be good.
You would though.

[Oakie]

Evangelical just means they take the bible literally in that they believe Jesus Christ is the path to mans' salvation. It's not an extreme position or particularly fervent even. Certainly not like calling someone a fundamentalist Muslim.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Ha, that's what we had tonight, real thick stuff . But I abstained from the wine as it's a school night and my body is a temple (but with less holy men coming into it).

so, not a Catholic then?

[pritch]

Ha, that's what we had tonight, real thick stuff . But I abstained from the wine as it's a school night and my body is a temple (but with less holy men coming into it).

In case anyone is interested. I had been recommended to try the 1.5L bottle of Montepulciano d'Abruzzo at Countdown. It's currently a couple of dollars off at $23.00.
Nice drop of Italian red to accompany a Bolognaise - and a steak later in the week, and....

[neels]

In case anyone is interested. I had been recommended to try the 1.5L bottle of Montepulciano d'Abruzzo at Countdown. It's currently a couple of dollars off at $23.00.
Nice drop of Italian red to accompany a Bolognaise - and a steak later in the week, and....
That is the most useful post I've seen on KB in a long time.

[F5 Dave]

Evangelical just means they take the bible literally in that they believe Jesus Christ is the path to mans' salvation. It's not an extreme position or particularly fervent even. Certainly not like calling someone a fundamentalist Muslim.

Maybe not in the US but here that's just plain whackjob. It means you believe in all sorts of shit that puts you at odds with science. Science is the collective knowledge of humans. Fuck knows how an Evangelical would respond to the next crisis, be it geological, viral or whatever. Pray it away?

Then, as the bible says, women should be subservient to men. Might not seem like such a big deal for guys. But that's half the population disrespected. That's pretty shitty.
And then those of the non heterosexual persuasion. Well they're Sodomites aren't they just?

How do they keep voting these nutjobs into party leaders?

Fuck sake. There's this man in the sky and he really loves you but he's going to set you on fire forever if you don't worship him but he hasn't bothered to tell 3/4 of the world about him. By the way, I'm totally sane and would like to lead the country, please vote for me.

[pritch]

Maybe not in the US but here that's just plain whackjob. .

When Ahmadinejad was President in Iran, Western leaders were concerned that he might see himself as God's instrument in bringing around the end of the world.

Now we have millions of Yanks who believe the rapture is imminent. The faithful are all about to ascend to Heaven like so many helium filled blow up sex dolls. You can laugh but there are people in the US hierarchy who believe this. One such is Mike Pompeo former head of the CIA and Secretary of State under Trump. He is just as likely to see himself as God's instrument in bringing about the end of the world as Ahmed Dinner Jacket ever was. And Pompeo appears to have had a stomach stapling op in preparation for a presidential run in 2024.

Our leaders don't have the power of the leaders of the US or even Iran, but I'd prefer them to be level headed and not controlled by a load of anti science bollocks and who knows what religious nut job..

[pete376403]

Luxon and Seymour?

[george formby]

Summit to bear in mind with the religious - Christian - slant for pollies is the captive audience they have who will believe pretty much whatever they are told as long as it is couched in a way which matches their beliefs.

I may just be cynical but very much doubt that many religious pollies would put God before themselves and their careers.

The reeferendum was effectively scuppered by the religious right mobilising the happy clappers. The very ones who go to Church to eat and drink the flesh and blood of their deity.:facepalm:

[husaberg]

That guy just cracks me up
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[R650R]

Couldn't resist the opportunity to work in a little redneck racism there I see.

What’s racist about stating a factual reality? I hope you’ve donated to destiny church recently inthe name of equal
Opportunities....

Recently we had the modern day compulsory diversity training day. The pakeha lady running the course felt the need to say a karakia at start. She obviously didn’t care about the Indians, Asian’s and othercpeople in the room as they didn’t get s special prayer in their language.
I don’t need to say she didn’t break out amazing grace or any other hymns either, that’s diversity I guess....

Back to topic Luxon has showed true class by not taking any pot shots at the departing Jacinda or the new leadership.

[F5 Dave]

Evangelical just means they take the bible literally in that they believe Jesus Christ is the path to mans' salvation. It's not an extreme position or particularly fervent even. Certainly not like calling someone a fundamentalist Muslim.
Actually I'm going to take another pass at this.

Fundamentalist Muslim just means they take the Koran literally in that they believe Mohamad is the path to mans' salvation.

That sounds familiar.

So how is one book full of violence, racism, sexism, and crazy stories any better than the Koran? And what do you say to the other 1/2 of the world that have little or no knowledge of either religion?

[husaberg]

Evangelical just means they take the bible literally in that they believe Jesus Christ is the path to mans' salvation. It's not an extreme position or particularly fervent even. Certainly not like calling someone a fundamentalist Muslim.


Maybe not in the US but here that's just plain whackjob. It means you believe in all sorts of shit that puts you at odds with science. Science is the collective knowledge of humans. Fuck knows how an Evangelical would respond to the next crisis, be it geological, viral or whatever. Pray it away?

Then, as the bible says, women should be subservient to men. Might not seem like such a big deal for guys. But that's half the population disrespected. That's pretty shitty.
And then those of the non heterosexual persuasion. Well they're Sodomites aren't they just?

How do they keep voting these nutjobs into party leaders?

Fuck sake. There's this man in the sky and he really loves you but he's going to set you on fire forever if you don't worship him but he hasn't bothered to tell 3/4 of the world about him. By the way, I'm totally sane and would like to lead the country, please vote for me.


Summit to bear in mind with the religious - Christian - slant for pollies is the captive audience they have who will believe pretty much whatever they are told as long as it is couched in a way which matches their beliefs.

I may just be cynical but very much doubt that many religious pollies would put God before themselves and their careers.

The reeferendum was effectively scuppered by the religious right mobilising the happy clappers. The very ones who go to Church to eat and drink the flesh and blood of their deity.:facepalm:


There is f all difference between the major religions there main differences revolves around whose sky pixie is the best and brightest.
Plus who you should make out the cheque to.
what's funny is they seem to be all completely oblivious to the fact there is no sky pixies.....

[1/32 man]

sky pixies....love it.

[HenryDorsetCase]

What’s racist about stating a factual reality? I hope you’ve donated to destiny church recently inthe name of equal
Opportunities....

Recently we had the modern day compulsory diversity training day. The pakeha lady running the course felt the need to say a karakia at start. She obviously didn’t care about the Indians, Asian’s and othercpeople in the room as they didn’t get s special prayer in their language.
I don’t need to say she didn’t break out amazing grace or any other hymns either, that’s diversity I guess....

Back to topic Luxon has showed true class by not taking any pot shots at the departing Jacinda or the new leadership.

now I know you're freakin' delusional? "true class" and "Luxon" in the same sentence.

Check in with your doctor mate, your meds need adjusting.

[F5 Dave]

That's why he is on ignore. Completely delusional. Probably thinks he's one of the chosen ones.

[R650R]

I hope none of you buggers celebrated at Xmas time and forfeited any gifts celebrating the birthday of Jesus Christ.
Let’s not forget our ancestors who gave their lives to save the Jewish people so they might have the right to live and have religious freedom.
Also at this time Poland a deeply religious nation is crucial to victory in Ukraine war....

[husaberg]

The origins of Christmas stem from both the pagan and Roman cultures. The Romans actually celebrated two holidays in the month of December. The first was Saturnalia, which was a two-week festival honoring their god of agriculture Saturn. On December 25th, they celebrated the birth of Mithra, their sun god.............
It is commonly believed that the church chose this date in an effort to adopt and absorb the traditions of the pagan Saturnalia festival. First called the Feast of the Nativity, the custom spread to Egypt by 432 and to England by the end of the sixth century.

[Laava]

Here is a brilliant summation of the whole US redneck christian attitude…..and maybe ours too.

https://youtu.be/Y8TKiRo-W4U

[F5 Dave]

The origins of Christmas stem from both the pagan and Roman cultures. The Romans actually celebrated two holidays in the month of December. The first was Saturnalia, which was a two-week festival honoring their god of agriculture Saturn. On December 25th, they celebrated the birth of Mithra, their sun god.............
It is commonly believed that the church chose this date in an effort to adopt and absorb the traditions of the pagan Saturnalia festival. First called the Feast of the Nativity, the custom spread to Egypt by 432 and to England by the end of the sixth century.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sol_Invictus

So of course there was no Christmas celebration for early Christians, it wasn't a thing. Not in the bible . Those wily popes trying to amalgamate and thus suppress existing nonscence religion with other made up (quite literally, it was a lie as there was no date given for jesus birth) celebration.

All we have been taught about Christmas is a lie. But it doesn't stop there of course. When you're making shit up, why not keep going?

[pritch]

There is f all difference between the major religions there main differences revolves around whose sky pixie is the best and brightest.


The differences can be difficult to spot.

[TheDemonLord]

The differences can be difficult to spot.

The difference is found in the later books of the bible vs the later books of the Qu'ran.

The old Testament is well known for being full of blood and gore (and all the interesting stuff) and the New Testament has the section on the 10 commandments:

"Hold no god above me and love thy neighbhour as yourself"

There is no such provision in the later haddiths in the Qu'ran.

Then there's all the peaceful trucks, suicide bombers, beheadings etc.

[pritch]

So of course there was no Christmas celebration for early Christians,

Next up is Easter with the rabbits and eggs. Almost as if these symbols are inherited from an earlier pagan harvest festival.

[onearmedbandit]

Reminder, this thread is about Christopher Luxon, and not a general discussion on religion.

[pritch]

Fair enough, but almost anything is more interesting than Christopher Luxon.

[pete376403]

The difference is found in the later books of the bible vs the later books of the Qu'ran.

The old Testament is well known for being full of blood and gore (and all the interesting stuff) and the New Testament has the section on the 10 commandments:

"Hold no god above me and love thy neighbhour as yourself".

Does Jacinda know you feel this way about her?

[onearmedbandit]

Fair enough, but almost anything is more interesting than Christopher Luxon.

Agreed but still.

[TheDemonLord]

Does Jacinda know you feel this way about her?

I'm not a Christian, so I'm not bound by that.

Besides, when it comes to her - I'm more of an 'Eye-for-an-Eye'.

So when she's been striped of her lawfully owned property for the actions of someone else, when she's forced to stay home, when she's denied entry to establishments on someone else's say-so - then, perhaps, the debt will have been paid.

[R650R]

The differences can be difficult to spot.

One lives in a democracy, the other lives in a nation subject to an illegal post war occupation in contravention of about 170 UN resolutions...

[husaberg]

WTF Luxton should be owning the news cycle....

It comes after the latest Newshub-Reid Research poll showed a significant boost for Labour since Chris Hipkins became the party's leader and Prime Minister.

Labour was up 5.7 points to 38 percent while National was down 4.1 points to 36.6 percent.

The results show 52.9 percent - a majority - said they trust Hipkins, while 26.9 percent didn't trust him. For Luxon, only 36.9 percent said they trust him, while 43.8 percent said, no they don't.

Hipkins has always appeared to be a limp fish but it seems the voters think Luxton is a damp squid.

[F5 Dave]

Surely Dog will favour Luxon?

Kneel and pray by the side of your bed.
Kneel and pray, just like your mumma said.

[R650R]

Luxon has just thrown himself under the bus jumping on the green bandwagon.... all he had to do was keep his mouth shut....
But no he’s all for green energy. What does green energy mean for small business owners and taxpayers??? It means unreliable and more expensive electricity. Wind and solar are unviable without govt subsidy which means taxpayers paying twice for electricity.
He also says we need to make twice as much power as we do now to go green... that’s because of storage losses via battery networks or pumped hydro etc.
Apparently it’s red tape stopping all this from happening but more likely it’s because private’s enterprise sees it as a loss making venture.
All he had to do was revamp Muldoon think big and build some new mega hydro dams to future proof us and create jobs at same time.

[F5 Dave]

The Bible speaks of bowing in prayer, kneeling on one's face before God, standing, sitting and walking. The most important thing isn't the position of the body but the condition of the soul. If the heart is attuned to God, one can pray in any posture imaginable. 10% before Rome takes its share.

[husaberg]

The rumour circulating today is, Luxton is not circumsized....



meh personally i think it's just fat rolls around his neck....
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[TheDemonLord]

The rumour circulating today is, Luxton is not circumsized....



meh personally i think it's just fat rolls around his neck....


Imagine if someone said something equivalent about a Female Politician....

[Kickaha]

All he had to do was revamp Muldoon think big and build some new mega hydro dams to future proof us and create jobs at same time.

I doubt anymore big dams will ever be built

[pete376403]

Imagine if someone said something equivalent about a Female Politician....


Such as any of the comments you have ever made about Jacinda.

[TheDemonLord]

Such as any of the comments you have ever made about Jacinda.

I'm fairly certain all the Insults I've hurled at Jacinda were based on her being an incompetent totalitarian Socialist.

However - let's assume for the moment it's true - those same people laughing at the Luxon jab would be aghast at what I've supposedly said at Jacinda.

Which is entirely my point.

[pritch]

All he had to do was revamp Muldoon think big and build some new mega hydro dams to future proof us and create jobs at same time.

Ah yes, "Think big."

Not far from here was a synthetic fuel plant which was built for a cost of 17 billion if I recall. And early 1970s dollars were much bigger than todays Pacific pesos.

Not long after the plant was built the price of oil dropped and the world's first synthetic fuel plant was immediately sold off . Now it's owned by a methanol company. The synthetic fuel operation comprised three parts: two plants that converted natural gas into methanol and a third plant that converted methanol to gasoline.

The methanol to gasoline plant, being surplus to requirements, was cut up and sold for scrap. The two methanol plants have been working ever since and their output exported making money for the Canadian owners.

What a colossal fuck up. It still pisses me off every time I drive past.

[R650R]

Not sure where you got 17 billion maybe meant 1.7?

Some interesting reading here https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/apv.232007

Says original estimate of 500 million ballooned to 2 billion early on. Bear in mind at the time NZ was importing 1.4 billion of petrol annually at time and it eventually made us 50% self sufficient which no doubt the world elite would not have liked.
NZ govt owned 75% and the builders Mobil owner 25%.

[R650R]

Luxon rules out Māori party that should be a poll boost.

God help us if we end up with a three way labour/greens/Māori coalition....

[Laava]

Ah yes, "Think big."

Not far from here was a synthetic fuel plant which was built for a cost of 17 billion if I recall. And early 1970s dollars were much bigger than todays Pacific pesos.

Not long after the plant was built the price of oil dropped and the world's first synthetic fuel plant was immediately sold off . Now it's owned by a methanol company. The synthetic fuel operation comprised three parts: two plants that converted natural gas into methanol and a third plant that converted methanol to gasoline.

The methanol to gasoline plant, being surplus to requirements, was cut up and sold for scrap. The two methanol plants have been working ever since and their output exported making money for the Canadian owners.

What a colossal fuck up. It still pisses me off every time I drive past.
Yep, we had the Marsden B power station. Before it could be commissioned the price of coal went up and it sat mothballed from new until it was eventually sold. Broken down and sent to India I think?

[Hairymcsweary]

Yep, we had the Marsden B power station. Before it could be commissioned the price of coal went up and it sat mothballed from new until it was eventually sold. Broken down and sent to India I think?

Marsden B was oil fired, I think it would have been the price of coal dropping. I worked at Marsden Power Station when I left school, Marsden A was only fired up in anger twice in the three years I worked there.

[pete376403]

Marsden B was oil fired, I think it would have been the price of coal dropping. I worked at Marsden Power Station when I left school, Marsden A was only fired up in anger twice in the three years I worked there.

Marsden B was an unused 250 MW oil-fired power station near the Marsden Point Oil Refinery at Marsden Point, Ruakaka, Northland, New Zealand. Due to rising oil prices, the plant was mothballed in 1978[1] without ever being commissioned. The Marsden site also includes the Marsden A power station, now a synchronous compensation facility owned and operated by Mercury Energy.

Various schemes were considered for utilising the plant, spanning a range of fuels and technologies. A 2004 proposal to refurbish it for coal-fired use drew environmental protests and created drawn-out legal challenges before this proposal was also eventually abandoned. The plant was dismantled and shipped to India in 2012.[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsden_B

[neels]

Luxon rules out Māori party that should be a poll boost.

God help us if we end up with a three way labour/greens/Māori coalition....

And David Seymour says he can't work with NZ First?

The polls would suggest it's looking like a 3 way coalition either way, as nobody has enough to form a government otherwise, which in reality is the normal outcome from a mmp election.

The 9 years of previous national led government were the 4 way national/act/united future/maori party confidence & supply quasi coalition, which was followed by the labour/green/nz first 3 way coalition, then labour absolute majority but still including the greens as insurance for the future.

It will be interesting to see what effect the recent defections have on the maori party and if they hold electorate seats, if not their party vote is usually not enough to get them in, and equally to see if NZ First have been forgiven for going with Labour and then immediately getting their snouts in the trough and achieving nothing.

[TheDemonLord]

It will be interesting to see what effect the recent defections have on the maori party and if they hold electorate seats, if not their party vote is usually not enough to get them in, and equally to see if NZ First have been forgiven for going with Labour and then immediately getting their snouts in the trough and achieving nothing.

I remember watching a Q and A with one of the NZ First politicians talking about why they went into power with labour - he talked a lot about various policies that he was passionate about that he got through - but the crowd basically excoriated him - by pointing out that he got in bed with the enemy.

He couldn't see that he had betrayed his electorate and so despite Winston trying to pull a fast one by getting on anti-Woke train, people still remember that it was him and his ego that gave us Stalinda.

[pete376403]

And I recall the election "promises" that were made by Winston prior to the election, that NZF would not go with National (this is leading up to the 1996 election) for all sorts of different reasons, however when it came to decision time, he reneged on his previous statements and went with National, as he said "for stability" (and a few baubles of office as he described them , such as Treasurer and deputy Prime Minister) - two faced weasel is fair description

[F5 Dave]

To be fair he was going to push for limiting Immigration numbers which had hit peaks of 70,000. Well wasn't he successful?

[R650R]

Election winning policy

https://i.stuff.co.nz/bay-of-plenty/300890230/they-should-be-in-english-national-to-ditch-te-reo-traffic-signs

There’s a reason why airports around world use English for air traffic control even in non english countries. Time for common sense to prevail.

[pete376403]

Election winning policy

https://i.stuff.co.nz/bay-of-plenty/300890230/they-should-be-in-english-national-to-ditch-te-reo-traffic-signs

There’s a reason why airports around world use English for air traffic control even in non english countries. Time for common sense to prevail.

Common sense or an appeal to the old, white rednecks? How about changing all the place names back to proper english names as well?

[pzkpfw]

“Signs need to be clear. We all speak English, and they should be in English. Place names are okay, but when it comes to important signs saying things like ‘Expressway’, they should be in English, as it’s going to be confusing if you add more words,” he [Simeon Brown] said.

That's dodgy, as it implies English won't be on the signs, but the example shown in the item has:
TE ARA PUAKI
EXPRESSWAY

Perhaps crowded and messy (yes, he did go on to use the word "add", but that wasn't the selected headline), and may confuse some while they get used to it, but the English is there for those who prefer.

What Simeon Brown really meant was "... they should [only] be in English ...".

Screw him, and Nationals' policy on this.

[pritch]

“Signs need to be clear. We all speak English, and they should be in English. Place names are okay, but when it comes to important signs saying things like ‘Expressway’, they should be in English, as it’s going to be confusing if you add more words,” he [Simeon Brown] said.

That's dodgy, as it implies English won't be on the signs, but the example shown in the item has:
TE ARA PUAKI
EXPRESSWAY

Perhaps crowded and messy (yes, he did go on to use the word "add", but that wasn't the selected headline), and may confuse some while they get used to it, but the English is there for those who prefer.

What Simeon Brown really meant was "... they should [only] be in English ...".

Screw him, and Nationals' policy on this.


Maori is one of our three official languages, although I did see a recent claim that Maori is our only official language. That may be an aspiration but it's not law. Basically I don't have an objection to Maori being used in principal but I do have a couple of reservations.

A Maori translation for "Expressway" f'rinstance. Maori had no expressways, there was no Maori word for expressway until somebody recently created one out of thin air. For me that has zero validity. Expressway should not have a translation on a road sign - or anywhere else.

I have a Maori dictionary here, the word haemoglobin has a translation. Maori didn't even know haemoglobin existed. The taxpayer is paying people to create new words from noithing.

Recently I received a letter from a government agency with a Maori name. It is a new agency and I was initially puzzled as to who the letter was from, I was unaware this new agency even existed. That's taking it too far and seems less than professional.

When I pointed these reservations out to a Maori speaker I was told that Maori is a living language. German is a living language, they don't invent their own words for computer, mouse, monitor, etc. They just use the universal word, although they may spell it differently. From memory the Maori word for computer is rorohiko.
By now you can safely assume I don't think there should even be a Maori word for computer.

Anyhoo I'm not too bothered by all this 'cause nobody gives a fuck what I think. If I contacted the local MP about this he'd probably think I was just another racist.

[R650R]

“Signs need to be clear. We all speak English, and they should be in English. Place names are okay, but when it comes to important signs saying things like ‘Expressway’, they should be in English, as it’s going to be confusing if you add more words,” he [Simeon Brown] said.

That's dodgy, as it implies English won't be on the signs, but the example shown in the item has:
TE ARA PUAKI
EXPRESSWAY

Perhaps crowded and messy (yes, he did go on to use the word "add", but that wasn't the selected headline), and may confuse some while they get used to it, but the English is there for those who prefer.

What Simeon Brown really meant was "... they should [only] be in English ...".

Screw him, and Nationals' policy on this.

Let’s take race out of it completely and use a fantastic example the govt themselves provided.

Here in HB we have SH5 (Taupo) SH2 (Wairoa) from north. Escaping south we have SH2 towards waipawa and the back way to Takapau via tikikino SH50. In centre of Napier SH2 and 50 overlapped and also the new expressway was called SH50A despite becoming SH2 again south of Hadtings.

Anyhow this was causing drama due to the combination of dimwit millennials in 111 Comms, imported police with poor local geographic knowledge, motorists using what satnav says road is when calling in emergency.
So resources were being wasted in triplicate when responding to life threaten entrapment/fire crashes. So the powers that be reallocated all the numbers to whatever it is now on Google maps.

So yeah having duplicate names on signs in language that tourists will have problems with won’t cause any issues at all

[neels]

I noticed in Wales they have signs in both English and Welsh, but I somehow managed to find my way to where I was going.

Clearly people there have the same concerns as being raised here though

353183


Recently I received a letter from a government agency with a Maori name. It is a new agency and I was initially puzzled as to who the letter was from, I was unaware this new agency even existed. That's taking it too far and seems less than professional.

That is something that seems to be increasingly overlooked, yes it's nice to give an organisation a name in maori, but it doesn't seem unreasonable to at least subtitle what it means in english


Anyhoo I'm not too bothered by all this 'cause nobody gives a fuck what I think. If I contacted the local MP about this he'd probably think I was just another racist.

I suspect you're right on both counts.

[husaberg]

Luxon is just another somwhat balder version of Johnson.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hc_f-cfdiY

[pzkpfw]

... A Maori translation for "Expressway" f'rinstance. Maori had no expressways, there was no Maori word for expressway until somebody recently created one out of thin air. For me that has zero validity. Expressway should not have a translation on a road sign - or anywhere else.

I have a Maori dictionary here, the word haemoglobin has a translation. Maori didn't even know haemoglobin existed. The taxpayer is paying people to create new words from noithing.
...

I used to have similar reservations. I distinctly remember watching an after-school kids' show in the 80's and being taught that the Maori word for "Pen" was "Pene". I remember thinking something like "why do they* need a word for pen - when they never even had any? Why not just use 'pen' like how English got 'entrepreneur'?".

Recently watched an item on a morning breakfast-news show where it was explained. I won't do it justice so will chicken out of trying to explain it, but I was left thinking "fine, cool" about it. (And there wasn't much taxpayer money involved in the growth of language.)

(* Also - it took a long time for me to realise my use of "they" was itself problematic. Racism creeps in all sneaky.)



I noticed in Wales they have signs in both English and Welsh, but I somehow managed to find my way to where I was going. ...

Great example. I was wondering if I could find something from Canada (French/English) or somewhere as an example of, well, exactly what you showed.



For me the the biggest annoyance is how it becomes some "big issue" out of nowhere to cause division and stir up the base.

Reminds me of when Whittakers did a chocolate wrapper in Te Reo. The way some people reacted it was like they thought kids would get all confused and start eating rat poison or something. Get a grip.

[Laava]

Mmm, Whittakers!

[MD]

Maori is one of our three official languages, although I did see a recent claim that Maori is our only official language. That may be an aspiration but it's not law. Basically I don't have an objection to Maori being used in principal but I do have a couple of reservations.

A Maori translation for "Expressway" f'rinstance. Maori had no expressways, there was no Maori word for expressway until somebody recently created one out of thin air. For me that has zero validity. Expressway should not have a translation on a road sign - or anywhere else.

I have a Maori dictionary here, the word haemoglobin has a translation. Maori didn't even know haemoglobin existed. The taxpayer is paying people to create new words from noithing.

Recently I received a letter from a government agency with a Maori name. It is a new agency and I was initially puzzled as to who the letter was from, I was unaware this new agency even existed. That's taking it too far and seems less than professional.

When I pointed these reservations out to a Maori speaker I was told that Maori is a living language. German is a living language, they don't invent their own words for computer, mouse, monitor, etc. They just use the universal word, although they may spell it differently. From memory the Maori word for computer is rorohiko.
By now you can safely assume I don't think there should even be a Maori word for computer.

Anyhoo I'm not too bothered by all this 'cause nobody gives a fuck what I think. If I contacted the local MP about this he'd probably think I was just another racist.

Well I agree with you.
Road signs need to be read and UNDERSTOOD within a fraction of a second, at a quick glance. Having too many words, and worse in different languages becomes too busy for the brain to instantly capture the message. Simply unnecessary and dangerous. Not like we don't already have a problem with foreign tourists driving on our roads, let's confuse them even more.

Also agree that bilingual names/signs are fine but should be a translation. Not some woke dreamed up misnomer plucked out of thin air that has no relevance or meaning to the subject. Most new words have an accepted global usage, as you said above like computers, microwaves, monitors and one of my favourites 'segway'. An invention that's name has become synonymous with 'moving along'. There is no need to translate the name/verb 'segway' into any other language. Mercedes-Benz cars are still Mercedes-Benz in any country/language. Makes for simple well understood communications. Imagine the outroar if other countries renamed our Kiwi bird with a made-up word in their language.

Let me guess the new Government agency that wrote to you was Te Tari Pureke. I'm all for having a translation but it should be just that. Someone who only speaks Te Reo should be able to read the name for the first time and immediately understand what it refers too- a clear and meaningful description/translation. Its translation by the way is along the lines of 'a person of authority wearing a rough rain cape' I'm struggling to see how you get from that to Firearms Safety Authority? You need one hell of a segway for that leap.

Imagine a person who only speaks Te Reo or a foreign visitor to NZ wants to apply for a Firearms Licence and they ask where do they apply and are told to google 'a person of authority wearing a rough rain cape' They will probably get results for Farmers Menswear section or retail Condom sellers. A name that bears no relevance whatsoever to the agency or it's purpose.

It is good that more people know how to speak Te Reo now than a few years ago. I once tried to learn another language. It was a good way to gain a better understanding of the people and their history. Unfortunately my Kiwi tongue does not do other languages well but I go to pains to try and get Te Reo pronouncing right. The Missus is trying to learn Te Reo at the mo but like me struggles to get her tongue around it. It is part of this country's history and needs to be preserved along with all the other peoples that immigrated here. But please can we stop referring to Maori as the indigenous language of NZ. This is not a racist comment, it's simply the truth and factual. NZ has no indigenous people, never has and therefore never can. Open a dictionary if in doubt. Hint- go to words starting with 'i' then 'n'

[pete376403]

. NZ has no indigenous people, never has and therefore never can. Open a dictionary if in doubt. Hint- go to words starting with 'i' then 'n'

or perphaps "i' and "m" (imports, immigrants, ...)

And "Segway" (commercial name of a two wheeled people mover) is a corruption of "segue" - verb - (in music and film) move without interruption from one piece of music or scene to another.
"allow one song to segue into the next"
- noun
an uninterrupted transition from one piece of music or film scene to another.

Which just shows the English language is a living thing that changes and adapts to create words where previously there were none - so why shouldn't other languages also be allowed to do this?

[onearmedbandit]

That hurt to read.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/05/te-p-ti-m-ori-co-leader-debbie-ngarewa-packer-suggests-national-go-back-to-school-over-bilingual-sign-criticism.html

[TheDemonLord]

That hurt to read.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/05/te-p-ti-m-ori-co-leader-debbie-ngarewa-packer-suggests-national-go-back-to-school-over-bilingual-sign-criticism.html

Really says something about the push to adopt another language, when they can't use the existing one correctly....


I've stayed out of this debate for a bit - for starters - I pretty much entirely agree with Pritch's statement - making up Maori words for the sake of having a Maori word for something has always seemed silly.

I mean - I don't say 'A Place for children to grow' - I saw Kindergarten. If it's good enough for the English to have loan words for concepts/ideas/things that didn't exist in England, it's good enough for every other language.

That all said...

When I lived in the UK, every year - we went on holiday to Wales. I've raised a few eyebrows from unsuspecting Welsh people in NZ with a well placed Diolch yn fawr or Iechyd da. And on a good day I can say the full name of Llanfair PG.

I remember the time when bi-lingual signs in Wales started to appear - and I do agree that in order to truly appreciate a culture, one should appreciate the Language.

The issue though in NZ specifically is that despite agreeing a lot with both sides of the argument, I know what the ulterior (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decolonization)motive (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decolonization_of_knowledge) is - and so I'm opposed on that basis.

[R650R]

Back to topic Luxon has said they will force councils to zone for 30 years of residential land growth immediately. Finally a common sense policy

[husaberg]

Back to topic Luxon has said they will force councils to zone for 30 years of residential land growth immediately. Finally a common sense policy

Do you realise this is a anti farmer policy? the farmers have to pays rates on its values and ergo the way land is zoned. if its zoned residential it costs a shit ton more.

They have to put 30 years of growth into the market right now to create abundant development opportunities to drive down the cost of land, both at our city fringe but also inside our cities to make housing more affordable.”

If the farmers going to have to pay residential rates on rural land that's going to F-off a lot of farmers
Not to mention telling the councils to do stuff ïnstead of being based on commercial demand but instead "for the good of the people." doesn't this sound a little communistic.


From time to time, he slipped into hyperbole. The Government is “killing the agriculture sector”, Waka Kotahi is “spending all its money on te reo road signs,” and, “it’s very hard to do business here”.

In fact, dairy is booming,

Odd did he not know dairy is heading into a recession.... how can he be that out of touch?
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/466715/fonterra-cuts-forecast-milk-price-payout-to-farmers-as-demand-drops
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/country/487254/fonterra-drops-forecast-milk-payout-to-between-8-and-8-point-60

Luxton also said this

he was “ruthlessly obsessed” with building more houses, but would prefer to see a much greater focus on greenfields developments.
that was what the last lady said.....

“
There’s no doubt young women got Jacinda Ardern elected,” he said, “but you look at the people here today. How are you going to bring young women back?”

“I can assure you,” Luxon said, “we are attracting younger people.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NP2yZVHuyXk
https://www.1news.co.nz/2020/07/20/national-mp-andrew-falloon-believed-to-have-sent-pornographic-material-to-teenager/

[Kickaha]

A Maori translation for "Expressway" f'rinstance. Maori had no expressways, there was no Maori word for expressway until somebody recently created one out of thin air. For me that has zero validity.

Neither did anyone else a few hundred years ago, or for Cars, Automobiles, Aeroplanes, electricity etc etc etc, we live in a world of made up names

[Laava]

Neither did anyone else a few hundred years ago, or for Cars, Automobiles, Aeroplanes, electricity etc etc etc, we live in a world of made up names
Chur bro!…….

[husaberg]

Chur bro!Â…Â….

What i struggle with if everything has to be English on signs, can someone please explain why we have a Dutch name for the country or so many place names that are clearly not the queens Engish.


Ahaura
Ahipara
Ahititi
Ahuroa
Aka Aka
Akaroa
Ä€kitio
Anakiwa
Arahiwi
Aramoana
Aranga
Arapohue
Ä€tiamuri
Awanui
Eket�huna
Hakataramea
Hari Hari
Haruru
Haumoana
Haupiri
H�wera*
Herekino
Hikuai
Hikurangi*
Hikutaia
Hinuera
Hokitika*
Honikiwi
Horeke
Horotiu
Houhora
Huapai*
Huiakama
Huirangi
HÅ«kerenui
Hunua
Inangahua Junction
Kaeo
Kaiapoi*
Kaihu
Kaikohe*
Kaik�ura*
Kaimata
Kaingaroa, Northland
Kaingaroa, Bay of Plenty
Kaipara Flats
Kairaki
Kaitaia*
Kaitangata
Kaiwaka
Kakanui
Kakaramea
Kaniere
Kapiro
Kaponga
Karamea
Karetu
Karitane
Katikati*
Kauaeranga
Kaukapakapa
Kauri
Kawakawa*
Kawerau*
Kekerengu
Kerikeri*
Kihikihi
Kiripaka
Kohukohu
Koitiata
Kokatahi
Kokopu
Koromiko
Kumara
Kumeū*
Kurow
Lake H�wea
Lake Tekapo
Mahurangi West
Makahu
Mamaku
Manaia, Waikato
Manaia, Taranaki
Manakau
Manapouri
Manawahe
Mangakino
Mangamuka
Mangatangi
Mangatawhiri
Mangatoki
Mangawhai*
Manukau
Manurewa
Manutahi
M�pua*
Maraetai*
M�rahau
Maromaku
Maruia
Matakana
Matakohe
Matamata*
Matapu
Matarangi
Matarau
Matat�
Mataura*
Matihetihe
Maungakaramea
Maungatapere
Maungaturoto
Meremere
Mimi
Minginui
Moana
Moawhango
Moenui
Moeraki
Moerewa*
Mokau
Mokoia
Motatau
Motueka*
Motuoapa
Mount Maunganui
Murupara*
Ngaere
Ng�kuta Bay
Ngamatapouri
Ngapara
Ng�ruaw�hia*
Ngataki
Ngatea*
Ngongotah�*
Ngongotah� Valley
Ngunguru*
ÅŒakura*
Oamaru*
ÅŒhaeawai
Ohakune*
Ohangai
Ōhaup�
Ohawe
Ohoka
ÅŒhope*
ÅŒhura
ÅŒkaihau
ÅŒkato
ÅŒkiwi Bay
Okuku
Omaha
Omanaia
Omarama
Omata
ÅŒmokoroa*
Onewhero
Opononi
Ōp�tiki*
Opua*
ÅŒpunake*
Oratia
Orewa
Oromahoe
Oruaiti
Otaika
ÅŒtaki*
Otakou
Otautau
Otematata
Otiria
ÅŒtorohanga*
ÅŒwhango
Owaka
Paek�k�riki*
Paeroa*
Pahiatua*
Paihia*
Pakaraka
Pakiri
Pakotai
Pamapuria
Panguru
Papakura
Papamoa
Paparoa
Paparore
Papatoetoe
Parakai
Paraparaumu*
Paremoremo
Pareora
Parewanui
Paroa
Parua Bay
Patea*
Patumahoe*
Pauanui
P�uatahanui
Peka Peka
Peria
Petone
Piopio
Pipiwai
Pirinoa
Pirongia
P�keno
Porirua*
Poroti
Puhoi
Pukekohe*
Pukepoto
Pukerimu
Pukerua Bay
Puketona
Pukeuri
Punakaiki
Purua
Put�ruru*
Putorino
Raetihi*
Rahotu
Rai Valley
Rakaia*
Ramarama
Rangiora*
Rapaura
R�rangi
Ratapiko
Raumati Beach
Raumati South
Raurimu
Rawene
Rawhitiroa
Renwick*
Reporoa
Riwaka
Rolleston*
Rotorua*
Ruak�k�
Ruatoria
Ruawai
Runanga*
Taharoa
Taieri Mouth
Taihape*
Taipa-Mangonui*
Tairua*
T�kaka*
Tangiteroria
Tangowahine
Tapanui
Tapawera
Tapora
Tapu
Tauhoa
Taumarunui*
Taupaki
Taup�*
Tauranga*
Tauraroa
Tautoro
Te Anau*
Te Arai
Te Aroha*
Te Awamutu*
Te Awanga
Te Hana
Te H�pua
Te Horo
Te Kao
Te Kauwhata*
Te K�puru
Te KÅ«iti*
Te Poi
Te Puke*
Te Puna West
Te Puru
Te Rahu
Te Rerenga
Temuka*
Ti Point
Tikorangi
Timaru*
Tinopai
TÄ«rau
Titoki
Tokanui, Southland
Tokanui, Waikato
Tokarahi
Toko
Tokomaru
Tokoroa*
Tolaga Bay
Tomarata
Towai
Tryphena
Tuahiwi
Tuai
Tuakau*
Tuamarina
Tuatapere
TÅ«rangi*
Turua
Umawera
Upper Moutere
Urenui
Uruti
Waharoa
Waiau
Waiau Pa
Waiharara
Waiheke Island*
Waihi*
Waihi Beach*
Waihola
Waikaia
Waikaka
Waikanae*
Waikawa, Marlborough
Waikawa, Southland
Waikouaiti*
Waikuku
Waikuku Beach
Waim�
Waimangaroa
Waimate*
Waimate North
Waimauku
Wainui
Wainuiomata
Waiomu
Waioneke
Waiotira
Waiouru*
Waipango
Waipawa*
Waipu*
Waipu Cove
Waipukurau*
Wairakei
Wairau Valley
Wairio
Wairoa*
Waitahuna
Waitara*
Waitaria Bay
Waitati
Waitoa
Waitoki
Waitomo
Waitoriki
Wait�tara
Waiuku*
Waiwera
W�naka*
Whakamaru
Whakat�ne*
Whananaki
Whangamat�*
Whangam�mona
Whanganui*
Whangapar�oa*
Whang�rei*
Whang�rei Heads
Whangaruru
Whangateau
Whataroa
Whatuwhiwhi
Whenuakite
Whenuakura
Whiritoa
Whitianga*

[Kickaha]

What i struggle with if everything has to be English on signs, can someone please explain why we have a Dutch name for the country

An Anglicized Dutch name, if it was Dutch it would be Nieuw Zeeland or the Latin Nova Zeelandia as it was called after the change from Staten Landt

[husaberg]

An Anglicized Dutch name, if it was Dutch it would be Nieuw Zeeland or the Latin Nova Zeelandia as it was called after the change from Staten Landt
So Anglicized dutch is okay to you for signs
And what about Rangiora.....

[Kickaha]

So Anglicized dutch is okay to you for signs
And what about Rangiora.....

What about it ?

I don't care whether they are in English or Maori, like everything else it will have little or no impact on my life

Personally I'd like to see more Maori used if for no other reason to wind up all the bigots that start frothing at the mouth at the mere mention of Aotearoa and have to make their stupid fucking comments on every news page about how they don't know where that is

[neels]

I don't care whether they are in English or Maori, like everything else it will have little or no impact on my life

Personally I'd like to see more Maori used if for no other reason to wind up all the bigots that start frothing at the mouth at the mere mention of Aotearoa and have to make their stupid fucking comments on every news page about how they don't know where that is
Provides amusement if nothing else.

Like the grumpy old boomers in Rolleston who 'can't find the library' because the word isn't written on the side of the building in large letters.

[Grumph]

Provides amusement if nothing else.

Like the grumpy old boomers in Rolleston who 'can't find the library' because the word isn't written on the side of the building in large letters.

I can find the library - but for a street adress, I'd recommend a trail of breadcrumbs or an aerosol of paint to find your way back out. As a town layout it's an epic fail.

Both in Maori and English.

[BMWST?]

Luxon is just another somwhat balder version of Johnson.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hc_f-cfdiY

dont agree i dont think Luxon has ever said something that was very popular with the majority. At least in the beginning he(johnson) was very popular

[husaberg]

dont agree i dont think Luxon has ever said something that was very popular with the majority. At least in the beginning he(johnson) was very popular

Luxton's on about Maori and immigration and poised to start on about those on benefits new thats a known tory vote wining strategy
all he needs to say now is only the Nats can sort the economy, as people have short memories and tend to believe that the nats dont borrow up huge to pay for tax cuts to the rich.

[TheDemonLord]

Luxton's on about Maori and immigration and poised to start on about those on benefits new thats a known tory vote wining strategy
all he needs to say now is only the Nats can sort the economy, as people have short memories and tend to believe that the nats dont borrow up huge to pay for tax cuts to the rich.

Still better than printing money and making everyone poorer. Like Labour.






(For the record, I don't trust National either)

[pete376403]

Have you noticed whenever Luxon is on TV, almost invariably Nicola "attack dog" Willis is standing just behind. Obviously rehearsing where to stick the knife when the time comes.

[BMWST?]

Have you noticed whenever Luxon is on TV, almost invariably Nicola "attack dog" Willis is standing just behind. Obviously rehearsing where to stick the knife when the time comes.
i find it amusing that any political statement of any sort has to have a whole group of people standing around behind the statement giver

[pete376403]

i find it amusing that any political statement of any sort has to have a whole group of people standing around behind the statement giver
All nodding in sync

[pritch]

Like the grumpy old boomers in Rolleston who 'can't find the library' because the word isn't written on the side of the building in large letters.

In that case it would seem to be a waste of time them going to a library in the first place.

[onearmedbandit]

In that case it would seem to be a waste of time them going to a library in the first place.

That reminds me of a sign I once saw in the Christchurch public library, which read 'If you are having trouble reading this, you may be suffering from dyslexia'.

[husaberg]

All nodding in sync

As far as i am concerned. No one ever nodded and head tilted better then Paula benefit, she elevated it to almost a art form.

[pritch]

Winning move by Luxon? Following his announcement that National would reinstate the $5.00 prescription fee, he has topped that by a new announcement that National will introduce a charge for birth control medication.

This latest development reminds me that I do not like religious cranks in politics. If there was any doubt he has removed it with that latest.

[husaberg]

Winning move by Luxon? Following his announcement that National would reinstate the $5.00 prescription fee, he has topped that by a new announcement that National will introduce a charge for birth control medication.

This latest development reminds me that I do not like religious cranks in politics. If there was any doubt he has removed it with that latest.

if only his dad had settled for a few more cranks rather than some missionary work there would be no Luxton......

[F5 Dave]

Winning move by Luxon? Following his announcement that National would reinstate the $5.00 prescription fee, he has topped that by a new announcement that National will introduce a charge for birth control medication.

This latest development reminds me that I do not like religious cranks in politics. If there was any doubt he has removed it with that latest.
So the chronically poor are more likely to run out and have more children.

Well. I can't see any downsides to that.

What a fucking moron.:rolleyes:

[neels]

The man is such a stunning businessman he doesn't know how much is investment properties have changed in value since purchasing them.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/132254746/christopher-luxons-properties-affected-by-density-laws-he-plans-to-scrap

By his own admission totally out of touch with the housing market, and yet still telling us he's the man to fix the problems.

It might be a bit of a stretch to claim a conflict of interest though, otherwise the same could be said to apply to anyone who owns a house (or two, three, four), but definitely into nimby territory wanting to repeal legislation that might affect the leafy suburbs that he and his wealthy friends reside in.

[pete376403]

While claiming other politicians are not smart as he is...

Tesla Recoil - Christopher Luxon ordered, then cancelled, taxpayer-funded Tesla, while criticising Tesla subsidies
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/tesla-recoil-christopher-luxon-ordered-then-cancelled-taxpayer-funded-tesla-while-criticising-tesla-subsidies/D6BMKILVY5DTNBYS6E7YHISKR4/?utm_source=newsshowcase&utm_medium=gnews&utm_campaign=CDAQiYDZ8vns8pj8ARjIoPmLhJu965cBKioIA CIQDb-4rlPF5nYWC5DOCq6L8ioUCAoiEA2_uK5TxeZ2FguQzgqui_I&utm_content=rundown&gaa_at=la&gaa_n=AXv4zM0UlANyZXCbnjbn-70zFU8KI2G-kE2rT44A7iVdg3KtLSR1N2wEwcyum2SX2LmzmSlwbqqSx_rOzG Dvz6UIV3-W&gaa_ts=64881182&gaa_sig=EHVWWZPsPCTafuIs6dLfWVc4antTGOZNCM0W4be6Fy osbYxDfnvwt1yrPWnYC0NeoApZQfyftY9AlRlYSszEKg%3D%3D

[onearmedbandit]

While claiming other politicians are not smart as he is...


Ha saw that, dumb dumb dumb. And quite rightly caused eyebrows to be raised by some members of the National party.

[husaberg]

The man is such a stunning businessman he doesn't know how much is investment properties have changed in value since purchasing them.

[

I heard the other day he never even knew how much a haircut cost...:innocent:

[R650R]

I think the real problem people have is nZ tall poppy syndrome we don’t like overly successful people. Even half labour MPs have multiple properties, investment or otherwise.
It’s bizzare that we should be alarmed at a successful person being in power. I know Luxon still has lots to learn but he’s been successful in business world and that comes from knowing how to bring people together to conclude a deal of mutual benefit.

[husaberg]

I think the real problem people have is nZ tall poppy syndrome we don’t like overly successful people. Even half labour MPs have multiple properties, investment or otherwise.
It’s bizzare that we should be alarmed at a successful person being in power. I know Luxon still has lots to learn but he’s been successful in business world and that comes from knowing how to bring people together to conclude a deal of mutual benefit.

You instead suggest we should whorship celebs like the usa
heil to the kadsaians and trump

[TheDemonLord]

You instead suggest we should whorship celebs like the usa
heil to the kadsaians and trump

Still better than the ultimate goal of the Labour party...

[pritch]

I think the real problem people have is nZ tall poppy syndrome we don’t like overly successful people. Even half labour MPs have multiple properties, investment or otherwise.
It’s bizzare that we should be alarmed at a successful person being in power. I know Luxon still has lots to learn but he’s been successful in business world and that comes from knowing how to bring people together to conclude a deal of mutual benefit.

Sociopaths tend to do well in business. They are quite happy to trample other people to climb the greasy pole.

He doesn't take advice. Key told him to learn the ropes before standing for leader. His ego wouldn't allow that. He might have been successful at business but he's crap at politics and he's a religious nut job as well. Tall poppy syndrome has got nothing to do with it.

[husaberg]

Sociopaths tend to do well in business. They are quite happy to trample other people to climb the greasy pole.

He doesn't take advice. Key told him to learn the ropes before standing for leader. His ego wouldn't allow that. He might have been successful at business but he's crap at politics and he's a religious nut job as well. Tall poppy syndrome has got nothing to do with it.

His own people never rated him as much as his replacement or processor as a CEO
he wasn't a CEO that associated with the people. Plus his business success consisted of shuting down unprofitable routes that's hardly groundbreaking stuff'.
He's pretty prone to making gaffes, which is the only real interesting thing about him.
He's that boring that i ca'nt even recall hi first name most of the time.

[1/32 man]

He's pretty prone to making gaffes, which is the only real interesting thing about him.

Agree...and a real talking potato...ie slight colouration but white flesh underneath.
I saw the look of alarm in his eyes when he was at a Polynesian gathering....

[R650R]

Agree...and a real talking potato...ie slight colouration but white flesh underneath.
I saw the look of alarm in his eyes when he was at a Polynesian gathering....

Oh cut it out. The media would be all over that

[1/32 man]

Oh cut it out. The media would be all over that

I dont think they are quick enough....what I saw was over in a split second

[husaberg]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yDxYvRHuH8

if he can't convince his own party supporters?

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/politics/christopher-luxon-u-turns-on-u-turn-acknowledging-he-misspoke/
or get his own parties policies right

Christopher Luxon drove himself into a policy traffic jam on Wednesday morning, after he said National would U-turn on a policy it vociferously opposed - the clean car discount or “ute tax”.

When asked for a response Luxton was unable to comment as he was overseas in Te puke ie Hawaii.

[pete376403]

Victor Billot, in Stuff

An Ode for .. Whiney Luxon
Bard Billot on the bad mouthing Nats leader


Stranger in a strange land


The Prophet Luxos walked amongst the People.

He spoke to the tillers of the soil.

Lo, said the Prophet:

The People are wet and whineth

and look inward.

And the tillers of the soil nodded in agreement

For they were a special Tribe unlike the others.

The Prophet Luxos came across some peons

crushed under relentless mortgages by the moneylenders.

Lo, said the Prophet:

The House of the Lord has many rooms.

Indeed, there are actually many Houses of the Lord,

Numbering seven at last count.

The Prophet Luxos drove into Gilead in his Tesla

Where he spake to the assembled wet whiny People.

Lo, said the Prophet:

The problem is that we need more babies.

The career ladies with their subsidised birth control

Were shamed, and asketh does the Prophet mock us?

So the Prophet asked his handmaiden Nicola

Could you step in here and correct course?

Nicola spoke to the ladies

And told them to relax because the Prophet

Had merely told a joke.

The Prophet Luxos led his People out of Egypt

But came across a complicated road sign

Which read Hello/Kia Ora.

I have no idea what this means, said the Prophet,

So he wandered lost in the Wilderness

For Forty Days and Forty Nights.

When he emerged it was election season.

What is your vision O Prophet? Asked the People.

What awaits in your Paradise?

And the Prophet Luxos was stuck for words.

Erm … it will be aspirational, saith the Prophet,

Turning on the in flight safety videos.

Thus the People saw his shining City on the Hill

Which looked very much like a Koru Club Lounge,

With behind it spread out an infinite Golf Course

Where Key Almighty himself stood bathed under a soft golden glow

Shone by the Archangel Hosko from a big spotlight.


Victor Billot has previously felt moved to compose Odes in honour of David Parker, Stuart Nash, and wassisname Hipkins.

[pete376403]

Has Nacts attack dog (Nicola Willis) scored an own goal with her breathless pre-release of Labours alleged removal of GST on fruit and veges? By saying it will cost 500 million a year in tax revenue, is she saying that the GST removal would be a terrible thing for the country? However to the lower income people, such a tax reduction would be more than welcome, so they are more likely to support Labour. I am pretty sure the lower income group outnumbers the traditional Nact supporter rich farmers and businessmen by a pretty large margin.

[Laava]

Yep, National would be better off endorsing the removal as well and vow to do the same? Looks like more than a few people would now vote National if National pledge to scrap co governance.

[R650R]

I think the point she was making was how much will it cost chippy? Cause we now labour never does the math or homework.
They just ended the petrol subsidy because they can’t afford to keep doing it so how will they afford this. Btw 500 million is only a couple weeks worth of benefit payments….
It is a pity the Nats work like this. They should take a lead out of acts book where they say hey that’s not good policy here’s what we would do.
Even the great Helen Clark ruled it out.
But it’s certainly right on principle we should not be putting tax on food or transport. And it’s a poor excuse to say it’s “too hard” when currently the supermarket computers can easily apply discounts to individual products during promotions.
The real issue is low wages and high inflation due to this govts out of control spending. Until we fix that we’re only ever papering over the cracks

[R650R]

Has Nacts attack dog (Nicola Willis)

Watch out you be starting in a kate Hannah doco and be getting a gscb visit for your women hating mysoginany lol

[pete376403]

Watch out you be starting in a kate Hannah doco and be getting a gscb visit for your women hating mysoginany lol

Not misogyny (I have massive respect for both Helen and Jacinda) but rather the way Willis is used to attack Labour rather than put alternative policies and ideas out for national. Willis is candidate for Ohariu electorate, encompassing wealthy Wadestown and Khandallah and a lot of horsey equestrian centres - all of which have a very keen ear for dog whistles such as she puts out. (added) The last national candidate in this electorate got hammered by Greg O'Connor so maybe the Nacts decided the next candidate needed bigger balls. (Luxon needs to be careful when she is standing behind him, could be looking for the soft spot to stick the knife)

[pete376403]

I think the point she was making was how much will it cost chippy? Cause we now labour never does the math or homework.
They just ended the petrol subsidy because they can’t afford to keep doing it so how will they afford this. Btw 500 million is only a couple weeks worth of benefit payments….{\

Bit of a difference. And the 500 mill is an estimate, with Willis using worst-case figures, so maybe she is not doing the math or homework either

How much did the cut cost in lost tax revenue?
The initial cost of the three-month petrol change was $350 million and was covered by reprioritising spending from the Covid-19 response fund, while the public transport subsidy cost between $25m and $40m and would also be met from the Covid-19 response fund.

The extension until the end of June also cost $718 million.

Overall the move had estimated to have cost about $2 billion.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/132424317/explainer-everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-fuel-tax-cut-ending#:~:text=The%20initial%20cost%20of%20the,Jun e%20also%20cost%20%24718%20million.

[husaberg]

Bit of a difference. And the 500 mill is an estimate, with Willis using worst-case figures, so maybe she is not doing the math or homework either

How much did the cut cost in lost tax revenue?
The initial cost of the three-month petrol change was $350 million and was covered by reprioritising spending from the Covid-19 response fund, while the public transport subsidy cost between $25m and $40m and would also be met from the Covid-19 response fund.

The extension until the end of June also cost $718 million.

Overall the move had estimated to have cost about $2 billion.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/132424317/explainer-everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-fuel-tax-cut-ending#:~:text=The%20initial%20cost%20of%20the,Jun e%20also%20cost%20%24718%20million.

I think the point she was making was how much will it cost chippy? Cause we now labour never does the math or homework.
The real issue is low wages and high inflation due to this govts out of control spending. Until we fix that we’re only ever papering over the cracks
Youre so funny remember this
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/426512/national-party-admits-4-billion-hole-in-their-promised-spending

The National Party officially launched its election campaign today, but it was hindered by a $4 billion hole in its flagship economic policy.The party's finance spokesperson Paul Goldsmith was forced to concede his numbers did not add up after Labour revealed the significant gap in its costings.

"This is an irritating mistake. We missed it, and our external checker missed it as well, and that's a mistake that we made," he says.
Now the party will instead borrow the missing billions,

or this

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/338759/national-s-fiscal-claims-pure-fiction-economists


National campaign manager Steven Joyce is doubling down on his attack on Labour's alternative budget, despite a series of economists saying he's wrong.
But experts said today National had made an error and did not read Labour's policy properly.

Dr Ganesh Nana, Chief Economist at the consultancy BERLDr Ganesh Nana Photo: Supplied
BERL, an independent company Labour employed to check its books, stood by its work. Chief executive Ganesh Nana said Mr Joyce was categorically wrong.

"It's just pure fiction, based on disagreement over definitions. Nerds like me love it, but I wouldn't expect voters to be at all interested in what an operating allowance is. I would expect voters to be more interested in where is the spending happening, and is that spending actually worthwhile?"

The New Zealand Initiative - a libertarian think tank - said National appeared to have made a basic accounting error in its criticism.

best for last

We will not to increase taxes. National dug ourselves out of the $50 billion hole caused by the Global Finance Crisis and Canterbury earthquakes without new taxes. It took discipline and a focus on growth.
No it took massive borrowing;)
https://scontent.fakl4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.18169-9/1075775_10152010324216452_671693002_n.png?_nc_cat= 103&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=9267fe&_nc_ohc=9d02rA0egdUAX9U0M44&_nc_ht=scontent.fakl4-1.fna&oh=00_AfAk3pYjrE9mV5qvnezOI6gZuNV3vAJp516LQfpcmAnU zw&oe=64EBC1E8

[R650R]

Not misogyny (I have massive respect for both Helen and Jacinda) but rather the way Willis is used to attack Labour rather than put alternative policies and ideas out for national. Willis is candidate for Ohariu electorate, encompassing wealthy Wadestown and Khandallah and a lot of horsey equestrian centres - all of which have a very keen ear for dog whistles such as she puts out. (added) The last national candidate in this electorate got hammered by Greg O'Connor so maybe the Nacts decided the next candidate needed bigger balls. (Luxon needs to be careful when she is standing behind him, could be looking for the soft spot to stick the knife)

It was a tongue in cheek comment I’m sure your of good character.

Notice how the left always calls Nats policy’s dog whistling??? It’s like saying half the population can’t think for themselves and only respond to trigger words….
So what shall we call labour’s policies?????

[husaberg]

It was a tongue in cheek comment I’m sure your of good character.

Notice how the left always calls Nats policy’s dog whistling??? It’s like saying half the population can’t think for themselves and only respond to trigger words….
So what shall we call labour’s policies?????

Like most of your posts, this one is not factual either in fact it's completely without substance.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/labour-accused-of-dog-whistling-on-immigration-debate/AIQTTLYLX4HU6IJPC4H5W6WBSM/
https://www.interest.co.nz/news/70159/english-accuses-labour-resorting-dog-whistle-politics-debate-over-migration-parker

Winston Peters has accused Labour of "dog-whistling" on the immigration debate after Andrew Little's comments on Chinese and Indian chefs.


The debate over whether and how to control migration has intensified as Labour and National accused each other on Wednesday of 'dog whistle' politics and raised the ugly issue of race.

[pete376403]

It was a tongue in cheek comment I’m sure your of good character.

Notice how the left always calls Nats policy’s dog whistling??? It’s like saying half the population can’t think for themselves and only respond to trigger words….
So what shall we call labour’s policies?????

You're. But anyway, it's dog-whistling from either side. And yes you are more or less correct, much of the population IS unable to think for itself and thus responds to slogans and trigger words. Thus it has always been in politics. It just seems though, that most of the dog-whistling does come from the right, where, unable to come up with anything meaningful of their own, resorts to attacking the left.

[onearmedbandit]

Socrates did have a valid point.

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[pete376403]

Socrates did have a valid point.


And a cup of hemlock for the loosing side

[sugilite]

and explains nicely how we get the likes of trump in power.

[pritch]

Watch out you be starting in a kate Hannah doco and be getting a gscb visit for your women hating mysoginany lol

The GCSB are probably still too busy watching for muslim terrorists when they should be watching the RWNJs.

[pritch]

Interesting. Luxon lies for the sake of it. Has never been in a debate he says. At school he was a masterdebator or something.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Not misogyny (I have massive respect for both Helen and Jacinda) but rather the way Willis is used to attack Labour rather than put alternative policies and ideas out for national. Willis is candidate for Ohariu electorate, encompassing wealthy Wadestown and Khandallah and a lot of horsey equestrian centres - all of which have a very keen ear for dog whistles such as she puts out. (added) The last national candidate in this electorate got hammered by Greg O'Connor so maybe the Nacts decided the next candidate needed bigger balls. (Luxon needs to be careful when she is standing behind him, could be looking for the soft spot to stick the knife)

its all soft spots on that pudgy motherfucker

[husaberg]

A ginger vs former ginger to lead a country what could possibly go wrong....

[george formby]

A ginger vs former ginger to lead a country what could possibly go wrong....

Only a ginger....


https://youtu.be/KVN_0qvuhhw?si=lwTTP90CjHG2sczJ

[pete376403]

One News reporting that three independent economists - not Labour supporters - are saying that nationals economics around the "overseas buyers of plus 2 million houses tax" contains some pretty big holes. Luxon and Willis wont release the details but say it will work. I know who I'd tend to believe

[pritch]

A ginger vs former ginger to lead a country what could possibly go wrong....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gfRtgMWUgs

[pritch]

"The comment about "lower socio economics" was "completely inappropriate," said the guy who called some of his fellow citizens "bottom feeders."

[Stylo]

If Luxon is happy to have the Anti-vax Conspiracy theorist Ryan Hamilton and the thug Sam Uffindel on it's list, then I won't be voting for them again.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300951135/searching-for-sam-why-is-national-shielding-tauranga-mp-sam-uffindell-from-the-media

[husaberg]

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/02/national-mp-maureen-pugh-repeatedly-refuses-to-say-she-believes-in-man-made-climate-change.html
https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/3722165/Council-supports-1080-ban-in-Westland
https//www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/02/national-mp-maureen-pugh-deletes-social-media-post-thanking-convoy-2022-anti-covid-19-vaccine-mandate-convoy.html

[husaberg]

“I like my Covid like I like my women. 19. And easy to spread.”
National Party candidate Stephen Jack.

[R650R]

They’ve left the ace card til last. National plans to end stupid 80k speed limits and sort out roadworks too. This will be a major blow to labour in provincial areas where most of these stupid limits have been brought in.

[pete376403]

They’ve left the ace card til last. National plans to end stupid 80k speed limits and sort out roadworks too. This will be a major blow to labour in provincial areas where most of these stupid limits have been brought in.

But will they, though. First person to get killed ona rural road after the limit is removed will come back to haunt national, so maybe that promise will quietly slip off the list. Probably some lame excuse that the limit can't be removed until the roads are fixed, and there are higher priorities/better uses for the money (like tax cuts for the top tier)

[george formby]

Obviously the author of this opinion peace has a hint of bias but makes some fair points. More or less what to expect from National.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/mike-williams-what-makes-anyone-think-national-could-run-the-economy-better-than-labour/EY5T5XTLPRAORMLOK33X6SMRGE/

[Berries]

and sort out roadworks too.
Tui moment right there.

[nerrrd]

TheyÂ’ve left the ace card til last. National plans to end stupid 80k speed limits and sort out roadworks too. This will be a major blow to labour in provincial areas where most of these stupid limits have been brought in.

It's not a political issue though is it? The pollies don't actually have any direct control over Waka Kotahi or any of the other Transport Agencies, do they? These days politicians don't like getting their hands dirty by interfering in the actual day to day operations of the various government agencies.

Changing that would be a pretty bold step for National (or Labour) philosophically, so I'll believe it when I see it.

[pete376403]

It's not a political issue though is it? The pollies don't actually have any direct control over Waka Kotahi or any of the other Transport Agencies, do they? These days politicians don't like getting their hands dirty by interfering in the actual day to day operations of the various government agencies.

Changing that would be a pretty bold step for National (or Labour) philosophically, so I'll believe it when I see it.

I'd guess the process is gummint makes noises about the road toll and wanka kotahi brainstorm and think of something they think would work. If it works gummnt can take the credit and if it doesn't w-k can take the blame

[R650R]

It's not a political issue though is it? The pollies don't actually have any direct control over Waka Kotahi or any of the other Transport Agencies, do they? These days politicians don't like getting their hands dirty by interfering in the actual day to day operations of the various government agencies.

Changing that would be a pretty bold step for National (or Labour) philosophically, so I'll believe it when I see it.

I’m pretty sure a written directive from
Minister will make it happen.
After all they didn’t decide to blow their own budgets on all the Maori name stuff by themselves did they?
It would be a nice rose tinted world if govt departments operated on their own initiative with plans longer than three years

[george formby]

It would be a nice rose tinted world if govt departments operated on their own initiative with plans longer than three years

And that right thar is the problem. The long term planning and investment required in most areas of society come with a certain amount of pain for us plebs. Guaranteed election killers. That's why we keep going round in circles, holding on to power is more important than using it.

It's all screwed, we might as well vote for our favourite Disney character in this election.

I'm revolting!:Punk:

[Grumph]

I’m pretty sure a written directive from
Minister will make it happen.
After all they didn’t decide to blow their own budgets on all the Maori name stuff by themselves did they?
It would be a nice rose tinted world if govt departments operated on their own initiative with plans longer than three years

And right there you show that you don't know how govt works.

For the sake of argument.... Lets say an incoming national minister wants to reverse the speed limit lowering - as seems quite possible.
He will have it pointed out to him that it's contrary to already agreed departmental policy - and be told the arguments that made it policy.
If he persists then it will be pointed out to him that he will have to answer questions both in Parliament and publicly why an agrred life saving policy was changed.
Including the good one - Are you going to take personal responsibilty for any increase in the road toll ?

After this and after he's been dressed down in caucus he will announce a working party on the question.


Govt departments do have long term plans. Only minor adjustments can be done by politicians of any party. The dual language signage was I expect agreed to a long time ago - maybe even by a National minister - and is only now working it's way to public notice.

I've worked in local govt, a major Quango and the Public Service. The right wing politicians are the worst.

[Berries]

You do have to wonder why the 2022 Road to Zero Monitoring Report is two months behind when it was released last year. I am going to guess it would be full of bad news that would embarrass the sitting government before an election and NZTA know they are better off with red rather than blue in the big house.

it would need a wholesale clear out of the MOT and NZTA in Wellington to change anything as there are some deeply enshrined views that I would suggest don't match many on this website.

The bi-lingual signs issue will be put to bed immediately. Speed limits will be different as there will be push back from various other agencies and you can't argue with physics, even though I do like to try on my morning commute. Once a new government sees the income that is received from all the speeding fines I think they will pull their heads in a bit and go off looking for another scapegoat - overseas drivers I reckon, they're an easy target.

[pete376403]

Luxon (or his backers) and probably more to the point, Seymours wet dream. Long but scary. This sort of thing is probably every conservatives (Sunak, Le Pen, etc, not just USA) dream scenario https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k3UvaC5m7o

[pete376403]

And for those who think National will bring a good weekly tax cut, ok if you are among the lucky 3000, the rest of you, maybe not so much...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tWwx9w1MM8

[R650R]

You do have to wonder why the 2022 Road to Zero Monitoring Report is two months behind when it was released last year. I am going to guess it would be full of bad news that would embarrass the sitting government before an election and NZTA know they are better off with red rather than blue in the big house.

it would need a wholesale clear out of the MOT and NZTA in Wellington to change anything as there are some deeply enshrined views that I would suggest don't match many on this website.

The bi-lingual signs issue will be put to bed immediately. Speed limits will be different as there will be push back from various other agencies and you can't argue with physics, even though I do like to try on my morning commute. Once a new government sees the income that is received from all the speeding fines I think they will pull their heads in a bit and go off looking for another scapegoat - overseas drivers I reckon, they're an easy target.

How much revenue is speed fines? Preferably just the camera data as I’ve debated before that patrol car revenue doesn’t stack up against costs of operation.

Btw in the interests of equality should we have multi lingual signage. You know like at the airport???
How long til all signage becomes digital anyway???? Eg you will have an integral Satnav in your car and due to anti terrorism laws 3.0 you have to prean and submit your journey plan to a state agency for approval to travel/pollute…

[husaberg]

3.0 you have to prean and submit your journey plan to a state agency for approval to travel/pollute…

Sounds like hell.
having to drive a designated predetermined route
GPS tracking your progress.
your speeds and driving technique.
stopping at approved places.
having to take mandatory rest breaks.
The state requires you to only drive for x amount of hours per day and week.
it would almost be like being a long-haul truck driver.

[husaberg]

And for those who think National will bring a good weekly tax cut, ok if you are among the lucky 3000, the rest of you, maybe not so much...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tWwx9w1MM8


it gets even worse
Goldman Sach the world largest investment bank dont like it either ,claiming it will drive inflation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmIR-dKnOD8

[nerrrd]

t would need a wholesale clear out of the MOT and NZTA in Wellington to change anything as there are some deeply enshrined views that I would suggest don't match many on this website.

The problem is the weight of evidence from a scientific perspective will support what they're already doing, hence the 'deeply enshrined views'. I think that's why National are talking about introducing economic considerations to try and balance the equation.

I believe the minister appoints the board, and the board appoint the Chief Executive. I'm not sure under what circumstances or how quickly the existing board could be replaced if they feel obliged to keep going the way the 'evidence' points.

[pete376403]

Sounds like hell.
having to drive a designated predetermined route
GPS tracking your progress.
your speeds and driving technique.
stopping at approved places.
having to take mandatory rest breaks.
The state requires you to only drive for x amount of hours per day and week.
it would almost be like being a long-haul truck driver.

Arriving at your destination ahead of the approved time would see an automatic speeding ticket (deducted from your bank account / charged to your credit card) and demerit points applied, insurance (compulsory) excess increase applied. Welcome to 1984

[R650R]

Arriving at your destination ahead of the approved time would see an automatic speeding ticket (deducted from your bank account / charged to your credit card) and demerit points applied, insurance (compulsory) excess increase applied. Welcome to 1984

National announced recently that they plan road user charging for all vehicles as ev uptake increase to make road taxation fair for all. There are multiple players in market with off the shelf tech ready to go for this “E-road” being biggest in nz trucks at moment.
The current system instantly emails your employer when you exceed speed limits so a redirect to state agency is only a late night parliamentary amendment bill away.
E road also can be set to auto purchase so yep auto fine payment would be easy too.
On the plus side if they do away with registration (just make it an admin fee part of WOF process) then owning multiple bikes would be cheaper and it would save certain parts of community from having needless interaction with cops.

[pete376403]

National announced recently that they plan road user charging for all vehicles as ev uptake increase to make road taxation fair for all. There are multiple players in market with off the shelf tech ready to go for this “E-road” being biggest in nz trucks at moment.
The current system instantly emails your employer when you exceed speed limits so a redirect to state agency is only a late night parliamentary amendment bill away.
E road also can be set to auto purchase so yep auto fine payment would be easy too.
On the plus side if they do away with registration (just make it an admin fee part of WOF process) then owning multiple bikes would be cheaper and it would save certain parts of community from having needless interaction with cops.

As long as there is a commensurate decrease in the cost of petrol by removing the current road tax - but somehow I can't see that happening.

[Berries]

The problem is the weight of evidence from a scientific perspective will support what they're already doing, hence the 'deeply enshrined views'. I think that's why National are talking about introducing economic considerations to try and balance the equation.
I will never argue with the science. The deeply held views I refer to are based on the position that it is not acceptable for anyone to die or be seriously injured on our roads. If you believe that then you will have to bring in more and more draconian solutions to force a zero road toll and you will never, ever, get there while people are able to travel under their own control, whether that is walking, cycling, motorbike riding or driving a car. It cannot be done. If your position is that any number is too many then you are doomed to fail. This is NZTA and the MOT.

If your position is that the current road toll is unacceptable then that is a different matter entirely and i would respectfully suggest that we wouldn't be pissing millions up the wall on median barrier or doing area wide speed reductions when it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that driver behaviour is a massive factor in our fatal and serious crashes. If you want to get draconian it should be aimed directly at the drivers who show no respect to other road users, not targeted at all road users in the vein hope that it will rub off on all those dickheads out there who make up a large part of the DSI record.

We need to raise the minimum driving age, have zero alcohol limits for under 25's and proper penalties to deter people from being twats. IMHO.

/rant

[pete376403]

We need to raise the minimum driving age, have zero alcohol limits for under 25's and proper penalties to deter people from being twats. IMHO. /rant

Totally agree. Also, it will never happen - too many do-gooders pointing out "how unfair on our young people" this would be

[husaberg]

Totally agree. Also, it will never happen - too many do-gooders pointing out "how unfair on our young people" this would be

I would not fancy driving my kids around for an additional few years....

[F5 Dave]

Didn't they already increase it from 15 to 16?

Bloody Communist Fascists.:crazy:

[pete376403]

A colleague noted " National has been vocal about Labours alleged weekly overspending of $1 billion. Yet their fiscal plan only proposes to trim ~ $17 million off weekly spending. Thats a mere 1.7% reduction. Where's the real commitment to rein in spending they so vehemently advocate for? The numbers tell a different story"

[husaberg]

A colleague noted " National has been vocal about Labours alleged weekly overspending of $1 billion. Yet their fiscal plan only proposes to trim ~ $17 million off weekly spending. Thats a mere 1.7% reduction. Where's the real commitment to rein in spending they so vehemently advocate for? The numbers tell a different story"

The last time they came in... it was the same "only us can manage the finances"
What did they do ....they made tax cuts for the rich and borrowed up large while running down all infrastructure services like health. Whilst gifting tenderless jobs to mates like fletchers. Rince and repeat...
National even in good times never pays down debt
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F6cRGdna4AA3K-6?format=jpg&name=medium

https://assets.anz.co.nz/is/image/anznz/NZ-debt-to-GDP?fit=constrain&fmt=png-alpha&hei=2000&qlt=75&wid=1238https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIbPBnrV4AAVLX0.jpg

[pritch]

Totally agree. Also, it will never happen - too many do-gooders pointing out "how unfair on our young people" this would be

It wouldn't be the "do gooders". It'd be the farmers. Again.

[pritch]

Oh golly!!

[onearmedbandit]

Politicians once again proving why they don't deserve to be voted into power.

[R650R]

So who will roll Luxon after the election, Willis or the other Sheila they are both strong speakers and leaders.

[sugilite]

He will definitely have needed a shower after eating winstons pussy before the girls will touch him.

[pete376403]

So who will roll Luxon after the election, Willis or the other Sheila they are both strong speakers and leaders.

Willis is always standing just behind Luxon - planning where to stick the knife

[Berries]

Presumably this thread has to be closed at midnight so I will leave it with two words.


I'd tap it.

[Oakie]

Presumably this thread has to be closed at midnight so I will leave it with two words.


I'd tap it.

No. It didn't close!

[Berries]

No. It didn't close!
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I thought you couldn't mention the election or politicians today, or look at a billboard or wear red or blue or green?

Don't vote. It only encourages them.

[R650R]

https://elections.nz/guidance-and-rules/advertising-and-campaigning/rules-once-voting-starts-and-on-election-day/

You can’t influence voters

Don’t influence voters or tell them to vote or not vote for a candidate or party.

This rule applies to websites and social media

Don’t post anything to social media or a website on election day that could influence voters. Also make sure your profile pictures on social media don’t include anything that could influence voters.

You may only keep existing election material up on a website or social media if all the following apply.

You don’t update it on election day
It’s only available to people who choose to access it
The site isn’t advertised

[R650R]

Oh there’s some beauty comments proved wrong at start of this thread….

[husaberg]

Oh there’s some beauty comments proved wrong at start of this thread….
really.....

Luxon offers nothing of substance. He just makes vague statements about "failed policies" without mentioning which. There can't be many. His followers love to post out that it doesn't matter if we rank number one. They want better.

Currently our economy is right near the top of the international heap. Anyone who thinks an evangelical, inexperienced, egotist who ignored the advice of John Key is going to do better should consult a shrink.

Yes, I did have wine with my pappardelle Bolognaise.

[Berries]

https://elections.nz/guidance-and-rules/advertising-and-campaigning/rules-once-voting-starts-and-on-election-day/

You can’t influence voters

Don’t influence voters or tell them to vote or not vote for a candidate or party.

This rule applies to websites and social media

Don’t post anything to social media or a website on election day that could influence voters. Also make sure your profile pictures on social media don’t include anything that could influence voters.

You may only keep existing election material up on a website or social media if all the following apply.

You don’t update it on election day
It’s only available to people who choose to access it
The site isn’t advertised
What utter shite. If you are willing to be swayed by someone on the last day you have clearly not thought about it enough and should not be allowed to vote.

[pete376403]

Going to get interesting if luxon cant keep seymour on a short leash and this happens: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/133123493/it-could-lead-to-violence-james-shaws-warning-about-acts-treaty-of-waitangi-referendum

[R650R]

What utter shite. If you are willing to be swayed by someone on the last day you have clearly not thought about it enough and should not be allowed to vote.

I suggest you email that bit of elightenrd thought to the electoral commission.

I’d say it’s more to stop one party from making a baseless bombshell revelation on last day that the other party doesn’t get time to defend or refute.
We’ve heard all sorts of rumours in past eg Gayford Clarke and the nanny/heroin etc all that type of character assassination.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Going to get interesting if luxon cant keep seymour on a short leash and this happens: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/133123493/it-could-lead-to-violence-james-shaws-warning-about-acts-treaty-of-waitangi-referendum

the most disgusting thing about that link and the still from the YT video is the disgusting smirk on both their faces. They both know they are full of shit, and its just clickbait talking points. Neither of them believe anything of what they are saying. It is self aggrandizing lies.


I am very disappointed I clicked on it. I had avoided almost all "mainstream" media up to the election. Did turn on the teev on Saturday night but became sick of Patrick Gower by about 7.45, and of TV3 by about 8.15. Watched some youtube videos of people making things and doing things and went to bed.

When these fuckers turn this into a mini-me Mrka with christofascist tendencies and rename it "New Gilead", don't say I didnt warn you.

[R650R]

the most disgusting thing about that link and the still from the YT video is the disgusting smirk on both their faces. They both know they are full of shit, and its just clickbait talking points. Neither of them believe anything of what they are saying. It is self aggrandizing lies.


I am very disappointed I clicked on it. I had avoided almost all "mainstream" media up to the election. Did turn on the teev on Saturday night but became sick of Patrick Gower by about 7.45, and of TV3 by about 8.15. Watched some youtube videos of people making things and doing things and went to bed.

When these fuckers turn this into a mini-me Mrka with christofascist tendencies and rename it "New Gilead", don't say I didnt warn you.

Hilarious best election reaction yet 😂🤣😂🤣

I normally can’t stand Gower but his antics about the Bluenami were good.

Already we have great news that come December the Ute tax which makes all your building and plumbing repair jobs more expensive and subsidies rich people to buy brand new EV’s is gone!!!

[Berries]

I suggest you email that bit of elightenrd thought to the electoral commission.
Done. Although I suggested they only allow electioneering, billboards, TV debates etc on the day of the election and then ban them for the rest of the three years.


I did sign it as HDC though.

[george formby]

Already we have great news that come December the Ute tax which makes all your building and plumbing repair jobs more expensive and subsidies rich people to buy brand new EV’s is gone!!!

You what?
I suspect the cost has a lot more to do with a new boat, new Ranga and $30'000 of accessories for the pair to increase the perceived size of the average tradies genitalia.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Hilarious best election reaction yet 😂🤣😂🤣

I normally can’t stand Gower but his antics about the Bluenami were good.

Already we have great news that come December the Ute tax which makes all your building and plumbing repair jobs more expensive and subsidies rich people to buy brand new EV’s is gone!!!

LOL there is as much likelyhood of that happening as the tax breaks to landlords that The Thumb is going to dish out trickling down to cheaper rents for tenants.

Some might say that the legislation that makes all these shiny arsed fuckwits buying SUVs the LOGICAL choice is the problem. As a business owner I could go out and buy a Ranger doublecab 4 x 4 as a work vehicle and get the GST back, no FBT and the business pays the running costs. When I wanted to spend that same $100k on a new Supra, my accountant just about shit himself. (He has a Ranger doublecab 4 x 4). Theere are tosspot mortgage brokers that have them. So, clearly that is the problem. Its very easily solved, too: either build all these levies into the cost of fuel, or registration. Make it economically viable for people, poarticularly people in towns to drive sensible fucking cars..

I was very pleased to see Simon OConnor getting the arse though. Fundy fuckwits have no place anywhere, let alone anywhere near the levers of power. Of course that applies to The Thumb, but the people have spoken.


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[Grumph]

The one that worries me is Mark Mitchell. Police affairs spokesman. I have no idea what the gangs think of him - but he scares the shit out of me.

No room in his head for anyone else's ideas - or the faint possibility he might ever be wrong about anything.

[husaberg]

The one that worries me is Mark Mitchell. Police affairs spokesman. I have no idea what the gangs think of him - but he scares the shit out of me.

No room in his head for anyone else's ideas - or the faint possibility he might ever be wrong about anything.

According to wiki he was married Possum Bournes widow.
he also went to the same school as resident trump...
Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania

[pritch]

The one that worries me is Mark Mitchell. Police affairs spokesman.

Luxon was a worry with his multiple promises of new laws when there are already existing laws on the books. The problem is not a shortage of laws. The problem is the Police lacking the will to enforce the laws. Luxon's evident ignorance may also prove a problem..

[Grumph]

Luxon was a worry with his multiple promises of new laws when there are already existing laws on the books. The problem is not a shortage of laws. The problem is the Police lacking the will to enforce the laws. Luxon's evident ignorance may also prove a problem..

Almost as non-qualified as Trump. Time spent in opposition doesn't really help once in govt. Plus he's going to have quite a lineup of rightwing pretenders ready and willing to sink the knife in his back. It's going to be a balancing act on a slippery tightrope.

[nerrrd]

He’ll just take it back to NZ as of 2017, innit? Restructure some public services so they can look like they’re doing something, though achieving very little (other than retasking all the consultants from where Labour had them), increase a bit of funding just enough to say it’s an increase but nowhere near enough to actually redress the underfunding of the last 30 years, and maybe sell a state asset or two to keep ACT happy. And increase the retirement age (only hopefully not as quickly as David Seymour wants to.) Another GST increase maybe?

He’s certainly highly fluent in corporatese. If I close my eyes he sounds just like a former National leader…

[neels]

LOL there is as much likelyhood of that happening as the tax breaks to landlords that The Thumb is going to dish out trickling down to cheaper rents for tenants.

The past few years have made sure that's not going to happen, it's already at the point where it's cheaper to rent a house than own it with a 80% mortgage, as more rentals come off low interest rates and the week to week interest cost increases rents aren't going to come down. What will probably happen is that more landlords will get sick of tipping money in and sell off to first home buyers, further reducing the availability of rentals.

I'm not sure when it became normalised to refer to interest deductibility as a 'tax break' for landlords, when it's the same as any other business that borrows money and interest cost is considered an expense.


Some might say that the legislation that makes all these shiny arsed fuckwits buying SUVs the LOGICAL choice is the problem. As a business owner I could go out and buy a Ranger doublecab 4 x 4 as a work vehicle and get the GST back, no FBT and the business pays the running costs.

That's the bit that seems to have been missed that a large proportion of these vehicles are business owned, so it's a few more tax deductible dollars the business fronts up to buy it, but the current tax structure still makes it a better proposition as an ongoing business expense.



So, clearly that is the problem. Its very easily solved, too: either build all these levies into the cost of fuel, or registration. Make it economically viable for people, particularly people in towns to drive sensible fucking cars..

Wasn't it proposed to remove the tax from petrol, and charge RUC for all vehicles? At the moment there's an incentive to reduce the number of litres you pour in as that's the tax multiplier, if the tax is on mileage you'll get the stupid situation that exists for small diesels where the RUC cost far outweighs the gains from spectacularly good fuel economy.

[pete376403]

The past few years have made sure that's not going to happen, it's already at the point where it's cheaper to rent a house than own it with a 80% mortgage, as more rentals come off low interest rates and the week to week interest cost increases rents aren't going to come down. What will probably happen is that more landlords will get sick of tipping money in and sell off to first home buyers, further reducing the availability of rentals..

Isn't this a zero-sum game, though? Every rental that is sold to a first home buyer means there is one less previous-renter requiring rental accomodation. (not completely zero-sum, though. The banks win every time)

[nerrrd]

I'm not sure when it became normalised to refer to interest deductibility as a 'tax break' for landlords, when it's the same as any other business that borrows money and interest cost is considered an expense.


Investment properties aren’t businesses though, are they? Otherwise they’d need to be commercially viable to get financed in the first place (owners always point out that the running costs make them pretty unnattractive as businesses).

It’s all based on leveraging other assets to get in there and reaping the eventual capital gain, innit?

[neels]

Isn't this a zero-sum game, though? Every rental that is sold to a first home buyer means there is one less previous-renter requiring rental accomodation. (not completely zero-sum, though. The banks win every time)
That would be true if enough houses were being built for the new entrants into the market to buy, but they're not, so a first home buyer moving out of home into an ex rental is taking a house out of the rental market.


Investment properties aren’t businesses though, are they? Otherwise they’d need to be commercially viable to get financed in the first place (owners always point out that the running costs make them pretty unnattractive as businesses).

It’s all based on leveraging other assets to get in there and reaping the eventual capital gain, innit?
That's certainly the perception that's being promoted.

[R650R]

The left wanted GST taken off food to make it cheaper.

Just imagine if you reduced taxes on landlords and construction so housing was cheaper????
It’s the crippling envy of the left that seeks to take as much as they can from anyone remotely successful to perpetuate an environment of poverty to create voters for their cause.

[pritch]

Just imagine if you reduced taxes on landlords and construction so housing was cheaper????


Your faith in human nature is as noble as it is misplaced. You seriously think a tax cut to landlords would result in cheaper rents?

Luxon says he'll do this, so we'll get a chance to see how that works out in the real world.

[george formby]

Your faith in human nature is as noble as it is misplaced. You seriously think a tax cut to landlords would result in cheaper rents?

Luxon says he'll do this, so we'll get a chance to see how that works out in the real world.

Just more coin filtering up, never filters down under blue rule.

[F5 Dave]

Just like he faltered when asked if he would reduce his own charged rent on his properties.

Europe is currently in a construction price explosion. This isn't somehow a local phenomenon.

[george formby]

Just like he faltered when asked if he would reduce his own charged rent on his properties.

Europe is currently in a construction price explosion. This isn't somehow a local phenomenon.

So true, pretty much everywhere is under the pump and despite what people think and the tidbits the media put out, NZ is not doing too bad.

That has been hugely overlooked of late.

[neels]

Just imagine if you reduced taxes on landlords and construction so housing was cheaper????

Never mind the tax for landlords, how about just making it cheaper to build an house, and make them meet the market by increasing supply of houses.

At the moment we have a situation where government want to build social housing for people to rent, and leave owner occupier development entirely to the private sector.

In the 60s & 70s when there was a housing shortage, councils and government developed land and balloted to eligible buyers at cost to develop, and left them to decide which company would build their house.

It would be interesting to see what would happen to costs if there was genuine competition between house builders, rather than the fixed price house and land package nonsense that we currently have, or stupid covenants that only allow people to use the housing companies selected by the developers.

Can't see it happening though, there's far too much money being made by everyone in the housing food chain.

[pete376403]

While competition between builders might make a small difference, how about genuine competition between the big material suppliers - CHH, Fletchers, and so on. I've read that a house load of building materials can be imported from USA cheaper than supplied here e .g 8 foot length 2 x 4 framing - #US3.66, equivalent from Bunnings 50 x 100 x 2.4 no1 framing $NZ21.43

[HenryDorsetCase]

While competition between builders might make a small difference, how about genuine competition between the big material suppliers - CHH, Fletchers, and so on. I've read that a house load of building materials can be imported from USA cheaper than supplied here e .g 8 foot length 2 x 4 framing - #US3.66, equivalent from Bunnings 50 x 100 x 2.4 no1 framing $NZ21.43

my brother is a joiner and at one point he was bringing container loads of board in direct. He is now big enough that he gets a price he can live with.

But not only price. There are a lot of technologies that we dont get. Window joinery systems particularly. Hell, we're only just starting to see uPVC windows.....

[Jantar]

Isn't this a zero-sum game, though? Every rental that is sold to a first home buyer means there is one less previous-renter requiring rental accomodation. (not completely zero-sum, though. The banks win every time)
Most first home buyers are young couples who are looking to start a family, or already have only one or two children. Most rentals have at least 5 or 6 people living in them.

So converting a rental to a first home leaves 2 or 3 people homeless.

[R650R]

Fluff news worried about the “important” stuff as per usual…

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/133124359/a-lot-of-blue-suits-parliament-is-majority-male-again-after-nationals-election-success

Wonder if electoral commission breaks down who voted what by gender?

Never mind that two of Nats best MPs most likely to roll Luxon are women and even ACTs Brooke is likely to taker over from Seymour in longer term.

[nerrrd]

The whole 'mum and dad property investors becoming the main suppliers of rental accommodation idea' was probably a good one in the beginning.

Whenever the supply not meeting demand question is discussed, however, nobody ever mentions the demand from investors distorting the equation. We all want property prices to rise over time, but some investors want those rises to happen as quickly as possible, especially the ones with big portfolios who can apparently make a lot of money just by selling houses to each other (with the banks happily fuelling that speculation).

I'd say it's those investors who've gotten us to this stage now, driving prices up to the point where mum and dad landlords can barely afford the running costs and renters can barely afford the rent (and often need government subsidies to do so).

Meanwhile councils will say they can't lower the cost of consents because of infrastructure deficits, and builders will say they can't lower their costs because of industry challenges, so the supply stays constrained (which suits the larger investors as well).

Maybe a capital gains tax isn't such a bad idea in that context.

[R650R]

Well we have a new govt. I like the way Luxon has framed the arrangements and painted a clear picture of what is ahead.
Obviously deputy pm was a sticking point. Think half and half is a great arrangement. Winston’s experience will help keep things on track early on while David can be mentored and taught what the role entertains.

[sugilite]

I watched the clip showing Luxons, Peters and Seymour's press conference, I thought it was Seymour who communicated best by quite some way. IMO he is ready for the deputy job now, and I suspect, would make a better fist of the PM job than Luxon too.

[pritch]

Luxon must be getting pissed off. Here he is the new PM and expecting to be the object of huge public attention and the limelight is consistently stolen by his deputy.
(The current one.).

My heart bleeds. :whistle:

[neels]

Luxon must be getting pissed off. Here he is the new PM and expecting to be the object of huge public attention and the limelight is consistently stolen by his deputy.
(The current one.).

My heart bleeds. :whistle:
That wasn't hard to see coming.

Winston has been out of things for quite a while, so it follows that he'll be making the most of his chance to be back in the spotlight.

Given that he doesn't seem to have any real convictions or any particular political ideology, still being in the game at his time in life appears to be mostly about ego.

[1/32 man]

still being in the game at his time in life appears to be mostly about ego.

I think I agree.

I have to admit to struggling to understand much of what Winston says....on television. It seems to me to be some sort of rushed jibber jabber.
He spits out politspeak at such a rate I dunno what point/s he is trying to make.

[Berries]

I have to admit to struggling to understand much of what Winston says....on television. It seems to me to be some sort of rushed jibber jabber.
Clearly it is the media speeding up the playback to 1.2x normal speed to make him sound that way as part of the conspiracy against him.

Almost makes his movements look normal speed as well.

[jim.cox]

I have to admit to struggling to understand much of what Winston says

Stop Trying! You can't.



It seems to me to be some sort of rushed jibber jabber.

That's it. Pure and Finest Bullshit, with a political flavour.



He spits out politspeak at such a rate I dunno what point/s he is trying to make.

He's a twat, a distraction and a complete waste of space, been proven time and time again. Yet somehow we can't ignore him <sigh>


One thing I do know - I would never go climbing rock or mountains with him.

[R650R]

First 100 days action plan announced, hopefully that means speed limits fixed before Easter weekend. While many have harped on about the foreign buyers tax it will be interesting how much lost revenue from increasing speed limits.
It says a lot about the media and the new govt that the worst they can critique is to harp on about Winston. They weren’t like this in the “Jacinda - mania” days when his reputation and ideals were pretty much established and same.
I suggest anyone who disagrees with WinstonÂ’s claims should read the fine print in the agreement journalists had to sign for access to public interest fund.

In any case the media is driven by clicks and advertising revenue. We shall wait and see what they report on now the funding is gone during next three years. $55 million would have funded a lot of visits to places in remote areas to report on stuff that a majority of audience prob not really interested in.

Journalists should report news without fear or favour. News should never contain any opinion of the reporter unless perhaps at say a natural disaster in remote area and theyÂ’re the only one to describe the heat of the fire etc.
With Winston representing both sides of political spectrum during various coalitions heÂ’s shafted us all one way or another at times but you canÂ’t deny heÂ’s a man whose accurate with his words.

[1/32 man]

How come Winston doesn't have his own thread....just like all the other political pricks?

[neels]

How come Winston doesn't have his own thread....just like all the other political pricks?
Because just like in real life, he's hitching a ride on someone else's wagon.

[Berries]

How come Winston doesn't have his own thread....just like all the other political pricks?
Was tempted to start one just then but could not decide whether it should be titled PM Winston Peters or thinking ahead to 2024 RIP Winston Peters.

[1/32 man]

Was tempted to start one

Do it....it'll be a hoot.

[Jantar]

Luxon must be getting pissed off. Here he is the new PM and expecting to be the object of huge public attention and the limelight is consistently stolen by his deputy.
(The current one.).

My heart bleeds. :whistle:

Not pissed off at all. I suspect he is rather pleased. While Winston is taking the heat Luxon is able to get on with the job of making sure his cabinet are primed and ready to get at it.

[pritch]

Journalists should report news without fear or favour.

Sadly though, when members of the press are screwing Cabinet members there isn't much chance of what should be news getting reported. The journalists are not likely to be whispering sweet nothings tonight and blowing the whistle tomorrow.

[R650R]

Sadly though, when members of the press are screwing Cabinet members there isn't much chance of what should be news getting reported. The journalists are not likely to be whispering sweet nothings tonight and blowing the whistle tomorrow.

I guess anyone love you long time for 55 million

[R650R]

Less than 100 days on the job and the brake has been put on the runaway train wreck of inflation caused by Labours reckless spending.
Today reserve bank kept official cash rate steady, that’s a damn big win for anyone with a mortgage.
Your wallets say thank you.

[pete376403]

Arrogant, entitled, multi millionaire owner of seven properties, piece of shit luxon, claiming $1000 per week for living in his own property in Wellington, because Premier House isnt good enough, Yes the rules says he can, but morally and ethically, especially as a key part of his agenda is going after "undeserving beneficiaries", completely unconscionable.

[R650R]

Arrogant, entitled, multi millionaire owner of seven properties, piece of shit luxon, claiming $1000 per week for living in his own property in Wellington, because Premier House isnt good enough, Yes the rules says he can, but morally and ethically, especially as a key part of his agenda is going after "undeserving beneficiaries", completely unconscionable.

Now if you read past the clickbait headline…
“ What is wrong with Premier House?
PM Christopher Luxon, in a briefing upon entering the top job, was told many of Premier House's facilities were reaching “end of life”.
Jacinda Ardern was the last prime minister to live in the house, and she publicly documented leaks and problems with possums in the roof and walls. In 2020, she was told the “dated and basic” home needed structural repairs.
Ardern created the Premier House Board, made up of heritage experts and other appointed by both the Government and Opposition, which produced a report on work needed to be done in September 2023.”

It’s part of his salary package approved by previous govts and therefore the voters/taxpayers. Just like a million dollar per year CEO might get a company car when he could afford to buy his own etc.
If you want something to be angry about it should be the massive superannuation they get as soon as elected for life and it’s a lot more than the average pensioner gets.

[pete376403]

Well, that U-turned quickly, didn't it? Luxon realising how out of touch with the feelings of the "common folk",

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/510614/pm-christopher-luxon-says-he-will-pay-back-his-accommodation-allowance

The U-turn came just hours after Luxon defended his use of the allowance to reporters in Queenstown, calling it an "entitlement".

He had campaigned on wasteful public spending and a need for cost cutting across the public service and under the coalition government, ministries have been asked to find at least 6.5 percent of savings.

"It's an entitlement and I'm well within the rules," he said.

Luxon was the first prime minister in at least 34 years to take the subsidy.

[Laava]

This whole debacle sums him up but is exactly what I would have expected him to do. What a fucking slime.

[pritch]

Well, that U-turned quickly, didn't it? Luxon realising how out of touch with the feelings of the "common folk",



Luxon and R650R, both are out of touch.

[husaberg]

Well, that U-turned quickly, didn't it? Luxon realising how out of touch with the feelings of the "common folk",

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/510614/pm-christopher-luxon-says-he-will-pay-back-his-accommodation-allowance

The U-turn came just hours after Luxon defended his use of the allowance to reporters in Queenstown, calling it an "entitlement".

He had campaigned on wasteful public spending and a need for cost cutting across the public service and under the coalition government, ministries have been asked to find at least 6.5 percent of savings.

"It's an entitlement and I'm well within the rules," he said.

Luxon was the first prime minister in at least 34 years to take the subsidy.

Guess who the last one was...
English claimed an allowance but decided to pay it back after it was revealed he claimed nearly $1000 a week to live in his family home, which was officially deemed a ministerial residence.

[R650R]

Well, that U-turned quickly, didn't it? Luxon realising how out of touch with the feelings of the "common folk",

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/510614/pm-christopher-luxon-says-he-will-pay-back-his-accommodation-allowance

The U-turn came just hours after Luxon defended his use of the allowance to reporters in Queenstown, calling it an "entitlement".

He had campaigned on wasteful public spending and a need for cost cutting across the public service and under the coalition government, ministries have been asked to find at least 6.5 percent of savings.

"It's an entitlement and I'm well within the rules," he said.

Luxon was the first prime minister in at least 34 years to take the subsidy.

Everyone makes mistakes, he owned it and corrected it. No different to when labour promised no new taxes then sneakily tried to add tax to KiwiSaver before doing a faster uturn.
Today in the news we have a celebration of 100 days of success this govt is making things happen.
Fast tracking of consents announced

[neels]

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[husaberg]

Everyone makes mistakes, he owned it and corrected it. No different to when labour promised no new taxes then sneakily tried to add tax to KiwiSaver before doing a faster uturn.
Today in the news we have a celebration of 100 days of success this govt is making things happen.
Fast tracking of consents announced

Do you have any dates and stories relating to this?
I remember the no higher taxs being a promise by national under key ,they never flip floped though, they just said they never said it in the first place.:spanking:

[pete376403]

Everyone makes mistakes, he owned it and corrected it. No different to when labour promised no new taxes then sneakily tried to add tax to KiwiSaver before doing a faster uturn.
Today in the news we have a celebration of 100 days of success this govt is making things happen.
Fast tracking of consents announced

Only corrected after he was embarrassed into doing it. And, no new taxes indeed. What would you call the motor vehicle registration increase?

[FLUB]

Only corrected after he was embarrassed into doing it. And, no new taxes indeed. What would you call the motor vehicle registration increase?The rego is a Vehicle Licence "Fee ", not a tax. The same as when Labour promised no new taxes then quickly increased the fuel "duties". English can be a very precise language when used well. In politics we need to listen to what is said, not what we think is said.

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[caseye]

The rego is a Vehicle Licence "Fee ", not a tax. The same as when Labour promised no new taxes then quickly increased the fuel "duties". English can be a very precise language when used well. In politics we need to listen to what is said, not what we think is said.

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Wot he said!:drinknsin:jerry:

[R650R]

Only corrected after he was embarrassed into doing it. And, no new taxes indeed. What would you call the motor vehicle registration increase?

Paying for labours reckless spending that trashed the economy

[pritch]

If I may be permitted a little trip down memory lane.

Some years back there was concern from music companies about people downloading music, ripping CDs etc, without paying. There was no concern about the music companies ripping off their artists though.

A National MP stood up in Parliament and said that people who copied music without paying were thieves and thieves should be punished. She then went home and posted on FaceBook that she was playing K Pop sent to her by a friend. It's doubtful that her friend had paid but she certainly hadn't. We'll ignore her questionable taste, but that post did demonstrate a somewhat surprising lack of awareness.

And that same simpleton is now our Minister of Broadcasting?

[pritch]

Paying for labours reckless spending that trashed the economy

That same economy that was highly rated internationally?

[R650R]

100 days of success

The clear cut points that have been achieved:
Stop work on the Income Insurance Scheme. ✔️
Stop work on Industry Transformation Plans. ✔️
Stop work on the Lake Onslow pumped hydro scheme. ✔️
Withdraw central government from Let’s Get Wellington Moving (LGWM). ✔️ (Wellington’s council and the Government agreed to end the long-running transport project in December.)
Introduce legislation to narrow the Reserve Bank’s mandate to price stability. ✔️
Introduce legislation to remove the Auckland Fuel Tax. ✔️ (Transport Minister Simeon Brown abolished the Auckland Regional Fuel Tax through an urgent bill passed on Wednesday.)
Repeal the Clean Car Discount scheme by 31 December 2023. ✔️
Stop central government work on the Auckland Light Rail project. ✔️ (Auckland Light Rail was shut down in January.)
Repeal the Fair Pay Agreement legislation. ✔️ (This was done just before Christmas.)
Stop taxpayer funding for section 27 cultural reports. ✔️
Introduce legislation to disestablish the Māori Health Authority. ✔️ (Health Minister Shane Reti went further than just introducing this legislation, he passed the entire bill under urgency to disestablish Te Aka Whai Ora.)
Commission an independent review into Kāinga Ora’s financial situation, procurement, and asset management. ✔️
Repeal amendments to the Smokefree Environments and Regulated Products Act 1990 and regulations. ✔️ (This was repealed under urgency at the end of February.)
Meet with councils and communities to establish regional requirements for recovery from Cyclone Gabrielle and other recent major flooding events. ✔️
Make any additional Orders in Council needed to speed up cyclone and flood recovery efforts. ✔️ (This week, ministers Mark Mitchell and Penny Simmonds proposed an ‘order in council’ - effectively a legal directive - to “streamline the resource consenting process for flood resilience work”.)
Stop blanket speed limit reductions and start work on replacing the Land Transport Rule: Setting of Speed Limits 2022.✔️
Introduce legislation to restore 90-day trial periods for all businesses. ✔️ (Workplace Relations Minister Brooke van Velden reinstated 90 day trials last year, through urgent legislation enacted just before Christmas.)
Introduce legislation to repeal the Water Services Entities Act 2022. ✔(The Government not only introduced the bill to repeal the previous three waters plan, but it progressed under urgency through Parliament. The Government is yet to present its alternative plan.)
Abolish the previous Government’s prisoner reduction target.✔
Repeal the Spatial Planning and Natural and Built Environment Act and introduce a fast-track consenting regime. ✔(The acts have been repealed and on Thursday the fast-track consenting scheme was introduced to Parliament.)
Introduce legislation to ban gang patches, stop gang members gathering in public, and stop known gang offenders from communicating with one another. ✔ (Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith introduced a bill on Thursday, day 99 of the 100 day plan.)
Sign an MoU with Waikato University to progress a third medical school. ✔
Give Police greater powers to search gang members for firearms and make gang membership an aggravating factor at sentencing. ✔
Introduce legislation to extend eligibility to offence-based rehabilitation programmes to remand prisoners. ✔
Begin to repeal and replace Part 6 of the Arms Act 1983 relating to clubs and ranges.✔
By 1 December 2023, lodge a reservation against adopting amendments to WHO health regulations to allow the government to consider these against a “national interest test”. ✔
Establish a priority one category on the social housing waitlist to move families out of emergency housing into permanent homes more quickly. ✔
Ban the use of cellphones in schools.✔ (The Government passed a regulation in December to ban cellphones in schools from term two.)

ere’s where work was set to ‘begin’ and ‘start’. These are things the Government can say it has started:
Begin work on a new GPS reflecting the new Roads of National Significance and new public transport priorities. ✔️ (In a way, Transport Minister Simeon Brown can say he exceeded this goal as he released a full draft GPS this week.)
Begin efforts to double renewable energy production, including a NPS on Renewable Electricity Generation. ✔️ (The Government says its work to reform the Resource Management Act will help boost energy production. Work to form an alternative act has begun.)
Start reducing public sector expenditure, including consultant and contractor expenditure. ✔️ (As we get closer to Budget Day, May 30, talk of cuts across public sector agencies have ramped up.)
Start work to improve the quality of regulation. ✔️ (ACT leader David Seymour has started a new role as minister for regulation. On Thursday, he confirmed he had hired a chief executive to lead his new ‘Ministry of Regulation’.)
Begin to cease implementation of new Significant Natural Areas and seek advice on operation of the areas. ✔️
Begin work to enable more houses to be built, by implementing the Going for Housing Growth policy and making the Medium Density Residential Standards optional for councils. ✔️
Begin disestablishing Te Pūkenga. ✔️
Take policy decisions to amend the Overseas Investment Act 2005 to make it easier for build-to-rent housing to be developed in New Zealand. (On day 99, Thursday afternoon, Chris Bishop issued a press release saying Cabinet has agreed to make changes to the Overseas Investment Act. ✔️
Stop all work on He Puapua. (On this, it’s unclear if any work was being done on ‘He Puapua’ at all - no one has said what has been stopped.)
Begin work to crack down on serious youth offending. (This is fairly broad, and hard to define.)
Improve security for the health workforce in hospital emergency departments. ✔️ (At the start of March, Shane Reti said extra security would continue working at eight “high risk” emergency departments.)
Require primary and intermediate schools to teach an hour of reading, writing and maths per day starting in 2024. ✔️
Appoint an Expert Group to redesign the English and maths curricula for primary school students. ✔️
Begin work on delivering better public services and strengthening democracy. (This is fairly broad, and hard to define.)
Take first steps to extend free breast cancer screening to those aged up to 74. ✔️ (Reti says he “met with officials” to deliver on this.)

[onearmedbandit]

She could've been sent it via Youtube or the free version of Spotify?

[husaberg]

100 days of success

The clear cut points that have been achieved:
Stop work on the Income Insurance Scheme. ✔️
Stop work on Industry Transformation Plans. ✔️
Stop work on the Lake Onslow pumped hydro scheme. ✔️
Withdraw central government from Let’s Get Wellington Moving (LGWM). ✔️ (Wellington’s council and the Government agreed to end the long-running transport project in December.)
Introduce legislation to narrow the Reserve Bank’s mandate to price stability. ✔️
Introduce legislation to remove the Auckland Fuel Tax. ✔️ (Transport Minister Simeon Brown abolished the Auckland Regional Fuel Tax through an urgent bill passed on Wednesday.)
Repeal the Clean Car Discount scheme by 31 December 2023. ✔️
Stop central government work on the Auckland Light Rail project. ✔️ (Auckland Light Rail was shut down in January.)
Repeal the Fair Pay Agreement legislation. ✔️ (This was done just before Christmas.)
Stop taxpayer funding for section 27 cultural reports. ✔️
Introduce legislation to disestablish the Māori Health Authority. ✔️ (Health Minister Shane Reti went further than just introducing this legislation, he passed the entire bill under urgency to disestablish Te Aka Whai Ora.)
Commission an independent review into Kāinga Ora’s financial situation, procurement, and asset management. ✔️
Repeal amendments to the Smokefree Environments and Regulated Products Act 1990 and regulations. ✔️ (This was repealed under urgency at the end of February.)
Meet with councils and communities to establish regional requirements for recovery from Cyclone Gabrielle and other recent major flooding events. ✔️
Make any additional Orders in Council needed to speed up cyclone and flood recovery efforts. ✔️ (This week, ministers Mark Mitchell and Penny Simmonds proposed an ‘order in council’ - effectively a legal directive - to “streamline the resource consenting process for flood resilience work”.)
Stop blanket speed limit reductions and start work on replacing the Land Transport Rule: Setting of Speed Limits 2022.✔️
Introduce legislation to restore 90-day trial periods for all businesses. ✔️ (Workplace Relations Minister Brooke van Velden reinstated 90 day trials last year, through urgent legislation enacted just before Christmas.)
Introduce legislation to repeal the Water Services Entities Act 2022. ✔(The Government not only introduced the bill to repeal the previous three waters plan, but it progressed under urgency through Parliament. The Government is yet to present its alternative plan.)
Abolish the previous Government’s prisoner reduction target.✔
Repeal the Spatial Planning and Natural and Built Environment Act and introduce a fast-track consenting regime. ✔(The acts have been repealed and on Thursday the fast-track consenting scheme was introduced to Parliament.)
Introduce legislation to ban gang patches, stop gang members gathering in public, and stop known gang offenders from communicating with one another. ✔ (Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith introduced a bill on Thursday, day 99 of the 100 day plan.)
Sign an MoU with Waikato University to progress a third medical school. ✔
Give Police greater powers to search gang members for firearms and make gang membership an aggravating factor at sentencing. ✔
Introduce legislation to extend eligibility to offence-based rehabilitation programmes to remand prisoners. ✔
Begin to repeal and replace Part 6 of the Arms Act 1983 relating to clubs and ranges.✔
By 1 December 2023, lodge a reservation against adopting amendments to WHO health regulations to allow the government to consider these against a “national interest test”. ✔
Establish a priority one category on the social housing waitlist to move families out of emergency housing into permanent homes more quickly. ✔
Ban the use of cellphones in schools.✔ (The Government passed a regulation in December to ban cellphones in schools from term two.)

ere’s where work was set to ‘begin’ and ‘start’. These are things the Government can say it has started:
Begin work on a new GPS reflecting the new Roads of National Significance and new public transport priorities. ✔️ (In a way, Transport Minister Simeon Brown can say he exceeded this goal as he released a full draft GPS this week.)
Begin efforts to double renewable energy production, including a NPS on Renewable Electricity Generation. ✔️ (The Government says its work to reform the Resource Management Act will help boost energy production. Work to form an alternative act has begun.)
Start reducing public sector expenditure, including consultant and contractor expenditure. ✔️ (As we get closer to Budget Day, May 30, talk of cuts across public sector agencies have ramped up.)
Start work to improve the quality of regulation. ✔️ (ACT leader David Seymour has started a new role as minister for regulation. On Thursday, he confirmed he had hired a chief executive to lead his new ‘Ministry of Regulation’.)
Begin to cease implementation of new Significant Natural Areas and seek advice on operation of the areas. ✔️
Begin work to enable more houses to be built, by implementing the Going for Housing Growth policy and making the Medium Density Residential Standards optional for councils. ✔️
Begin disestablishing Te Pūkenga. ✔️
Take policy decisions to amend the Overseas Investment Act 2005 to make it easier for build-to-rent housing to be developed in New Zealand. (On day 99, Thursday afternoon, Chris Bishop issued a press release saying Cabinet has agreed to make changes to the Overseas Investment Act. ✔️
Stop all work on He Puapua. (On this, it’s unclear if any work was being done on ‘He Puapua’ at all - no one has said what has been stopped.)
Begin work to crack down on serious youth offending. (This is fairly broad, and hard to define.)
Improve security for the health workforce in hospital emergency departments. ✔️ (At the start of March, Shane Reti said extra security would continue working at eight “high risk” emergency departments.)
Require primary and intermediate schools to teach an hour of reading, writing and maths per day starting in 2024. ✔️
Appoint an Expert Group to redesign the English and maths curricula for primary school students. ✔️
Begin work on delivering better public services and strengthening democracy. (This is fairly broad, and hard to define.)
Take first steps to extend free breast cancer screening to those aged up to 74. ✔️ (Reti says he “met with officials” to deliver on this.)
Seem to be a lot of stops and making starts but not so much completed or came up with solutions.
Maybe a fresh round of tax cuts for the rich and upping gst is in order. With another round of selling off assets .
Pamu and state houses plus dropping funding for everything seems like a way to bring in some quick cash

[FLUB]

Sell TVNZ, RNZ and Air NZ. Governments (i.e. taxpayers) have no reason to own a broadcaster or an airline.

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[nerrrd]

Sell TVNZ, RNZ and Air NZ. Governments (i.e. taxpayers) have no reason to own a broadcaster or an airline.

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That's an interesting point, what we taxpayers have already paid for is the infrastructure that supports television and radio broadcasts, which hopefully still has some value. TVNZ has for a long time been a poor imitation of a commercial US network which, if it isn't making enough money to pay its VERY well paid staff anymore, might as well be sold (if they can find a buyer.)

We seem to have more TV channels available than can usefully be used, given how many +1 channels there are repeating the same content. I'd still like to see a low budget channel where space can be made available to genuine local producers to broadcast original content – maybe it could be run by and branded as a 'NZ on air' channel. Youtube has a lot of content which is 'good enough', so it doesn't have to be expensive to produce.

RNZ is a tricky one, they make exponentially more local content than anyone else, and do it for a lot less money than anyone else, they may already be a bargain. There's only two non-music stations left on the radio, I prefer that to the music ones, so selfishly I'd be in favour of keeping them.

There must be a Civil Defence argument for keeping at least one radio and one TV channel owned by the government also, the mobile phone networks seem to still be very fragile when disaster strikes.

[FLUB]

There must be a Civil Defence argument for keeping at least one radio and one TV channel owned by the government also, the mobile phone networks seem to still be very fragile when disaster strikes.

Every broadcaster in NZ operates under a licence controlled by the government. I'm sure there would be a clause to cover the broadcast of Civil Defence emergencies. If there's not, it's a relatively easy task to make amendments and Gazette them.

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[pete376403]

NactFirst campaigned hard on Law and Order, Supporting the Police, etc. Now in power, they offer the Police a pathetic payrise, while wsting no time of giving landlords a massive tax cut. Bunch of clowns. https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/511474/a-pittance-police-officers-fire-back-at-pay-rise-offer#:~:text=Police%20officers%20are%20firing%20b ack,the%20same%20offer%20on%20Friday.

[R650R]

NactFirst campaigned hard on Law and Order, Supporting the Police, etc. Now in power, they offer the Police a pathetic payrise, while wsting no time of giving landlords a massive tax cut. Bunch of clowns. https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/511474/a-pittance-police-officers-fire-back-at-pay-rise-offer#:~:text=Police%20officers%20are%20firing%20b ack,the%20same%20offer%20on%20Friday.

“In September last year, the previous Government offered a $4000 increase, backdated to April 2023, followed a 4% pay rise effective April 2024.
The offer that arrived on Friday offered a $5000 increase to base wages, backdated only to November 2023. That would be followed by 4% pay rises starting July 2025.
Annual inflation was 4.7%.
The latest offer also proposed reducing the leave police could accumulate, taking it down from 45 to 35 days, and removing compensation for officers called in early by up to three hours on late notice.”


But rich for labour trying to milk this when their offer was quite similar . It was clear a change of govt was coming they should have taken labours offer knowing they have no care for spraying public cash about.
Wage bargaining is always tough affair in any industry eventually the dust will settle. If large country like Aussie is offering big dollars it’s telling you they have problems attracting people to the job too. That’s a worry when you consider the bigger talent pool they have as a larger population.
That tells you the job is difficult over there too plus you have the heat, dust, spiders and snakes that’s gotta make searching cars fun.
One way to fix this would be to tie all public service jobs and the minimum to MP salaries. So every time they get a rise so does everyone else, problem solved.

[pritch]

If large country like Aussie is offering big dollars it’s telling you they have problems attracting people to the job too.

Reminds me of a tale from I man I know. He was a former SAS soldier, joined the NZ Police, then when the Oz police advertised he crossed the Tasman. First day on the job he was told to interview/interrogate a suspect. The suspect was staunch and he was giving nothing away. The sergeant strode into the room with the Brisbane phone book and gave the suspect an almighty whack over the ear. "That's how we do it here." Problem solved.