PM Chloe Swarbrick

[Berries]

A bit dodgy?

[Laava]

OK boomer!

[1/32 man]

Give it time my son. All good things come to those who wait.

I'm still effin waiting!

[pritch]

Recently I came across the video clip of her Green colleague Ms Ghahramen "shopping". There is a woman in the background with longish dark hair and RWNJs were advancing the theory that it was Ms Swabrick. She denied this which excited them - because they now had her denial on record.

I expect they will be even more excited now. I'm expecting the clip to make an imminent reappearance.

[F5 Dave]

A bit dodgy?
I'd tap ya.
No. Wait.
How does this work? :blink:

[R650R]

As we head further into banana republic status perhaps she’s all we deserve. She’s just the kind of militant nutbar that could trigger a civil war allowing team America to come in and turn us into a submarine base for South Pacific.
At last election her speech was frothing at mouth fevour like they had actually won. Ah no girls you did was end up in opposition benches, yes you have a paid job still but you have zero power.
It’s scary that ten percent of those that voted did it for them.
While we are talking about greens, an ad came up for something called work ride. Looks like it’s been out awhile but just like the clean car subsidy it’s a policy that benefits the rich.
You buy an e-bike, it’s jacked up through your employer so it’s bought direct from your pretax salary/wages and therefore get a tax break. Technically you lease the bike (meaning your obliged to maintain it and not wreck it) for a year or so then the administrators of scheme typically let you keep it. There is no real policing in place to see if you actually commute to work on it or just ride to wineries on weekends.
A half decent e-bike is between 10-20k. In current climate I don’t know many ordinary people that would be keen to lose even a small portion of their income for what’s effectively a luxury item that will be sporadically used.

[Berries]

Steady on Dave, she's only 14.

[pete376403]

As we head further into banana republic status perhaps she’s all we deserve. She’s just the kind of militant nutbar that could trigger a civil war allowing team America to come in and turn us into a submarine base for South Pacific.

Starting to sound like Faux News and trump in the US, foaming and spitting at the thought of Taylor Swift endorsing Biden. Swarbrick *could* inspire a lot more young people to vote and possibly upset the old white misogynist balance of power. (it's been done before)

[pritch]

A half decent e-bike is between 10-20k.

Nah. Twenty grand is likely a mountain bike with full suspension and with frame and components made of titanium or other exotic materials. Ten to twenty is likely also a mountain bike but with less unobtanium components.

A serviceable road/commuter bike can be had for five to six thousand, they start about half that.

There is an Auckland journo commutes on an E bike. He got T boned by a motorist and when he recovered he consequently needed a new bike. He bought a new bike fitted out to his requirements for about five thousand. A commuter bike doesn't need suspension but it does need mudguards, a carrier, and lights.

[Blackbird]

Nah. Twenty grand is likely a mountain bike with full suspension and with frame and components made of titanium or other exotic materials. Ten to twenty is likely also a mountain bike but with less unobtanium components.

A serviceable road/commuter bike can be had for five to six thousand, they start about half that.

There is an Auckland journo commutes on an E bike. He got T boned by a motorist and when he recovered he consequently needed a new bike. He bought a new bike fitted out to his requirements for about five thousand. A commuter bike doesn't need suspension but it does need mudguards, a carrier, and lights.

I bought a Giant Talon e+1 e-MTB a couple of years ago. Long travel front suspension, no rear suspension but I added a sprung seat post. Paid ~$5000 for it. I use it on the off-road trails here in Coromandel including some steep stuff, but avoid the grade 3/4 trails as a nod to a 76 year old body. I've covered a bit over 2500 km so far and absolutely love it. I've never pushed the range but at the lowest power setting, it's good for somewhere in the region of 160 km. At highest power, a little over 60 km. I actually bought it to strengthen dodgy knees. Since then, I've had one completely replaced with another at some time in the future.

[F5 Dave]

I spent about that (actually $4300) on a 2014 GG Trials bike in minty condition 2 yrs back with lots of new just-in-case new spares. I was a little lucky. But I bet much more fun and skills increasing than an ebike.
Problem is it lent to a spanky new one when I got hooked (again).
Still kept the older one for friends.
Storage space might get the better of it if I need room. Or maybe I can jiggle in an 8th. . .
Buy a Trials bike.

Sorry? What were we talking about?
Oh, right.
The Lizard masters. :rolleyes:

[R650R]

Starting to sound like Faux News and trump in the US, foaming and spitting at the thought of Taylor Swift endorsing Biden. Swarbrick *could* inspire a lot more young people to vote and possibly upset the old white misogynist balance of power. (it's been done before)

This country has frequently had women leaders during last several decades so I don’t know where you get that from.And there is no evidence of anti women decisions from our govts past and present. What great things would a non white leader do for NZ that a white leader couldn’t, just out of interest????
Our country is very diverse perhaps we will have an Asian or Indian political leader soon which could be very interesting as both cultures are hard working and pro private enterprise. Could seem a boom is sole traders and easier for people to run their own businesses.

[pete376403]

This country has frequently had women leaders during last several decades so I donÂ’t know where you get that from.And there is no evidence of anti women decisions from our govts past and present. What great things would a non white leader do for NZ that a white leader couldnÂ’t, just out of interest????
Our country is very diverse perhaps we will have an Asian or Indian political leader soon which could be very interesting as both cultures are hard working and pro private enterprise. Could seem a boom is sole traders and easier for people to run their own businesses.

Racial origin shouldn't come into it at all. Nor should sex . But you may have noticed (indeed, contributed to) the venomous misogynistic hatred, death threats, violence that has been targeted against women politicians in this country that by and large, male pollies seem to have avoided. And three (two elected, one by a coup) women compared to six men since David Lange is not really "frequently".

[pritch]

This country has frequently had women leaders during last several decades

Yeah, but I don't recall Jenny Shipley or Helen Clark inspiring masses of young voters. Which is what the Republicans are worried about.




Our country is very diverse perhaps we will have an Asian or Indian political leader soon which could be very interesting as both cultures are hard working and pro private enterprise. Could seem a boom is sole traders and easier for people to run their own businesses.

Britain has one such at the moment. It doesn't seem to be working out as you expect.

[R650R]

Racial origin shouldn't come into it at all. Nor should sex . But you may have noticed (indeed, contributed to) the venomous misogynistic hatred, death threats, violence that has been targeted against women politicians in this country that by and large, male pollies seem to have avoided. And three (two elected, one by a coup) women compared to six men since David Lange is not really "frequently".

The Adjective factory called, they want their sample book back. If I had contributed to anything you claimed above I’d be in prison so get your facts right aye?

The only thing close to violence would be the clown that put an axe through Helen’s electorate office window while she was clearly not there. And they had to resort to the ancient charge of sedition to actually do that guy for anything(although clearly wrong and stupid action by him).
And dredging the pit deeper would be marama Davidson deliberately stepping into the path of a Harley at protest march.

Now contrast that with James Shaw getting randomly bashed, Steven Joyce getting a dildo thrown at him, don brash mud thrown at. Also Michael Laws in his review of the Gholriz saga said death threats and the like were a daily occurrence and no one ever touched him, so it’s definitely something that happens across board because there are nutters out there. You can’t use it as some kind of warped defence of criticism of poor policy.

Given the under representation of women they have frequently been in power on statistical basis.

[R650R]

Yeah, but I don't recall Jenny Shipley or Helen Clark inspiring masses of young voters. Which is what the Republicans are worried about.





Britain has one such at the moment. It doesn't seem to be working out as you expect.

Didn’t the republicans have that chick in Alaska???

That pommy chap is making a right hash of it. Trouble is due to the whole four year cycle thing we’ll never go through enough diverse leaders to really know who’s better or worse. And look at Obama, did he really change anything for the longer term?
Society really needs to go back to meritocracy and judge people by results and not identity otherwise we have several lost decades of no significant technological or social progress.

[pritch]

Didn’t the republicans have that chick in Alaska???


Sarah Palin? That could've been worse, it might have been Michele Bachman.

https://theweek.com/articles/482642/newsweeks-crazy-eyes-michele-bachmann-cover

No female politician is comparable to Taylor Swift, she is not a politician. The Republicans are worried that she could mobilise a virtual army of young voters.

Some RWNJs have theorised that Swift is hanging out with a football star to gain fame from the association. I'm not a fan of Swift particularly but I suspect she's way more famous and wealthy than her football player.

Now they have decided she's a psy op. Untreated paranoia could lead to conclusions like that I guess.

[R650R]

Maybe a few commentators perhaps but really all that happens is the celebrities involved ending up devaluing their brands given how polarising USA politics is.

[sugilite]

Maybe a few commentators perhaps but really all that happens is the celebrities involved ending up devaluing their brands given how polarising USA politics is.

Fox news has gone nuts deep in the Swift "psy op" malarkey, emphasis on the "nuts"!

It did not seem to do her brand any harm in 2018 and 2020.
In 2018 all she said was register to vote, not even who to vote for and the gop were falling all over the place clutching their pearls. They only seem to like free speech when it is them talking :facepalm:

[R650R]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350207518/green-party-elects-chloe-swarbrick-new-co-leader

Upset about the “ the “stitch up” that was legacy politics, represented by the Labour and National parties, that “limits the oxygen and the options that people need to imagine and, in turn, limiting real world results”.”

She forgets that the system just gave her six years of unearned oxygen thanks to Jacinda.talk about bite the hand that feeds you.

Says “The country voted for the MMP electoral system,in the 1990s to “break” a duopoly political system, she said.” Talk about not seeing the wood for the trees. Like their policies or not the current three way of national/act/nzf is seeing a great diversity of policy options come together.

While having this big cry about inclusivity she continues on to say she will work to make greens dominate voice of left 🤣😂😀😂😀😂. Yep that’s what the left is about, one big dominate party in control, sounds lot like “ legacy politics” lol

God help us if labour falls apart more and she captures the youth/women vote like Jacinda did

[nerrrd]

Says “The country voted for the MMP electoral system,in the 1990s to “break” a duopoly political system, she said.” Talk about not seeing the wood for the trees. Like their policies or not the current three way of national/act/nzf is seeing a great diversity of policy options come together.


I think she has a point, although in a different way – given how much Labour and National have mimicked each other’s policies over the years since MMP was brought in, a grand coalition between the two would easily be the most stable, democratic outcome for voters. it might even make some decent, long term planning possible.

The vested interests on both sides (in so far as they are ‘sides’, more like degrees of difference) won’t let that happen. That, to me, smacks of contempt on behalf of both parties for the system and the voters.

[BMWST?]

I think she has a point, although in a different way – given how much Labour and National have mimicked each other’s policies over the years since MMP was brought in, a grand coalition between the two would easily be the most stable, democratic outcome for voters. it might even make some decent, long term planning possible.

The vested interests on both sides (in so far as they are ‘sides’, more like degrees of difference) won’t let that happen. That, to me, smacks of contempt on behalf of both parties for the system and the voters.
its a gravy train. I am sure they have altruistic ideas but they have a career and a living for life if they ca stick around.They will hang onto that as long as they can

[Oakie]

I thought the Greens put in their constitution that they would have co-leaders, one male and one female? That's what they've had for a while now.

[husaberg]

i thought the greens put in their constitution that they would have co-leaders, one male and one female? That's what they've had for a while now.
............


under the green party's constitution, the party is led by two co-leaders. Historically, it was required that one of the co-leaders be female and the other male. However, the constitution was amended in may 2022 to remove the requirement that one co-leader be male. Additionally, it was resolved that one of the two co-leaders must be maori

[FLUB]

I thought the Greens put in their constitution that they would have co-leaders, one male and one female? That's what they've had for a while now.One fancies men the other fancies women. Isn't that the same? [emoji6]

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[husaberg]

look; at Obama, did he really change anything for the longer term?
Other than the millions who got access to life saving free heathcare......

Society really needs to go back to meritocracy and judge people by results and not identity
Like all those COVID deaths Trump needlessly caused, or millions in fraud or the election he attempted to overthrow.

[R650R]

Damn that didn’t take long, new greens scandal emerging just after Grab a bargain pleads guilty to all four charges.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350212958/green-mp-suspended-amid-migration-exploitation-claims

The Green Party has suspended one of its MPs, Darleen Tana, and appointed an independent lawyer to investigate her conduct after a Stuff investigation into allegations of migrant exploitation at a business owned by her husband.
The Greens suspended Tana on Thursday afternoon after Stuff put a series of questions to her about the allegations that the company, E-Bikes NZ, employed a worker who was in New Zealand on a visitor visa, and paid him in cash until he secured a work visa.
The worker, Santiago Latour Palma, says that he completed a one-day work trial at the business under the oversight of Tana, and was paid in cash.
Palma claims he is owed about $25,000 in wages and holiday pay by the business. He has lodged an ERA claim.

MPs, Darleen Tana, and appointed an independent lawyer to investigate her conduct after a Stuff investigation into allegations of migrant exploitation at a business owned by her husband.
The Greens suspended Tana on Thursday afternoon after Stuff put a series of questions to her about the allegations that the company, E-Bikes NZ, employed a worker who was in New Zealand on a visitor visa, and paid him in cash until he secured a work visa.
The worker, Santiago Latour Palma, says that he completed a one-day work trial at the business under the oversight of Tana, and was paid in cash.
Palma claims he is owed about $25,000 in wages and holiday pay by the business. He has lodged an ERA claim.

[husaberg]

Damn that didn’t take long, new greens scandal emerging just after Grab a bargain pleads guilty to all four charges.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350212958/green-mp-suspended-amid-migration-exploitation-claims

The Green Party has suspended one of its MPs, Darleen Tana, and appointed an independent lawyer to investigate her conduct after a Stuff investigation into allegations of migrant exploitation at a business owned by her husband.
The Greens suspended Tana on Thursday afternoon after Stuff put a series of questions to her about the allegations that the company, E-Bikes NZ, employed a worker who was in New Zealand on a visitor visa, and paid him in cash until he secured a work visa.
The worker, Santiago Latour Palma, says that he completed a one-day work trial at the business under the oversight of Tana, and was paid in cash.
Palma claims he is owed about $25,000 in wages and holiday pay by the business. He has lodged an ERA claim.

MPs, Darleen Tana, and appointed an independent lawyer to investigate her conduct after a Stuff investigation into allegations of migrant exploitation at a business owned by her husband.
The Greens suspended Tana on Thursday afternoon after Stuff put a series of questions to her about the allegations that the company, E-Bikes NZ, employed a worker who was in New Zealand on a visitor visa, and paid him in cash until he secured a work visa.
The worker, Santiago Latour Palma, says that he completed a one-day work trial at the business under the oversight of Tana, and was paid in cash.
Palma claims he is owed about $25,000 in wages and holiday pay by the business. He has lodged an ERA claim.

So to you its a scandal that the party suspended a person that as a result of an independent investigation from a journalist organisation is under suspicion.
yet you say nothing when other parties don't suspend nz MP's and encourage non co-operation with police and also when the current govt want to get rid of independent journalists....

[PrincessBandit]

I’m usually all for “yay you go gurl” but I have to say Chloe ( sorry cant find the cool umlaut to decorate her name with) makes me feel like I’m breaking out in hives. There is just something uber smug and soooo condescending about the delivery of everything that comes out of her mouth. To me she comes across as trying too hard to be the next big thing in pollytix jumping on bandwagons and chanting slogans to her devotees.
You know how some ppl just make you want to punch them in the face? Well…(and I’m not normally a violent person )

[R650R]

I’m usually all for “yay you go gurl” but I have to say Chloe ( sorry cant find the cool umlaut to decorate her name with) makes me feel like I’m breaking out in hives. There is just something uber smug and soooo condescending about the delivery of everything that comes out of her mouth. To me she comes across as trying too hard to be the next big thing in pollytix jumping on bandwagons and chanting slogans to her devotees.
You know how some ppl just make you want to punch them in the face? Well…(and I’m not normally a violent person )

The scary thing is there is a generation of youngsters brainwashed by education system that think she is the Joan of Arc of our time. The youth have a thirst for revolution.unfortunately few have studied history enough to know what that always leads too….

I’ve yet to here any real solutions for anything come from here, just rants about how bad everything is, she should be on kiwibiker lol

[husaberg]

The scary thing is there is a generation of youngsters brainwashed by education system that think she is the Joan of Arc of our time. The youth have a thirst for revolution.unfortunately few have studied history enough to know what that always leads too….

I’ve yet to here any real solutions for anything come from here, just rants about how bad everything is, she should be on kiwibiker lol
okay boomer

[nerrrd]

I’ve yet to here any real solutions for anything come from here, just rants about how bad everything is, she should be on kiwibiker lol

You keep using this forum, I do not think it's for what you think it's for...

[R650R]

The Herald just gave Chloe a bit of oxygen or perhaps it was laughing gas because she ended her rant mentioning Rogernomics.
She’s not a fan apparently of the reforms in 1984 done by the lefty Labour Party in its fourth term.
While a lot of it was unpopular at the time it did cure the double digit inflation at time down to single figures.
Also quotes thatcher so hopefully she’s heard her line on socialism, “eventually you run out of other people’s mo way to spend”.
So that should leave you in no doubt what NZ will look like if greens ever get into power.

[pritch]

Also quotes thatcher so hopefully she’s heard her line on socialism, “eventually you run out of other people’s mo way to spend”.
So that should leave you in no doubt what NZ will look like if greens ever get into power.

The ghost of Thatcher is haunting the Poms. Thatcher privatised the gas industry. In the last year or so the company that owned seventy percent of the British gas storage capacity decided to go out of the gas storage business leaving Britain with very modest gas storage capacity. Price increases were fed straight into the system. Pensioners were getting power bills worth a thousand quid plus. The increases made electric cars expensive to run and have even (gasp) increased the price of whisky, and anything else that uses electricity in production. Which is pretty much everything.

[Cosmik de Bris]

I can't listen to chloe, she is just a drone on the radio, talks too fast and has little to no expression in her voice.

cheers

[nerrrd]

The Herald just gave Chloe a bit of oxygen or perhaps it was laughing gas because she ended her rant mentioning Rogernomics.
She’s not a fan apparently of the reforms in 1984 done by the lefty Labour Party in its fourth term.
While a lot of it was unpopular at the time it did cure the double digit inflation at time down to single figures.
Also quotes thatcher so hopefully she’s heard her line on socialism, “eventually you run out of other people’s mo way to spend”.
So that should leave you in no doubt what NZ will look like if greens ever get into power.

Ah Rogernomics, the last time everything got so unaffordable that there had to be an economic reset in Aotearoa.

Not that they magically made everything affordable, they just dropped the pretence that public services were too important to underfund and simply underfunded them in perpetuity. And privatised all the profitable (at the time) bits.

Don't think I want to be around for the next one, actually without a pension I guess I won't be for long.

[pete376403]

Ah Rogernomics, the last time everything got so unaffordable that there had to be an economic reset in Aotearoa.

Not that they magically made everything affordable, they just dropped the pretence that public services were too important to underfund and simply underfunded them in perpetuity. And privatised all the profitable (at the time) bits.

Don't think I want to be around for the next one, actually without a pension I guess I won't be for long.

Dont forget Ruthenasia, that was fun (for some) too

[pritch]

Dont forget Ruthenasia, that was fun (for some) too

Yeah. The rest of the world was having a boom time, Richardson and Shipley gave NZ a recession. That was so much fun (for some) that we are looking likely to repeat the experience.