Another (road) litre bike bites the dust in Europe

[onearmedbandit]

The R1 and R1M are being dropped from the road bike line up in Europe, like the GSXR before it. Euro 5+ emission laws and dwindling sales are the main, if not only, reasons. Like the R6 there will be a track only version.

https://www.rideapart.com/news/709594/yamaha-r1-r1m-discontinued-europe/

Time for the long-rumoured R9 triple to make an entrance?

[R650R]

Reckon a super adventure style tourer with that cross plane engine would be mean. I jumped straight off a slightly bigger v-twin onto mates r1 and was surprised how torquey down low it felt. Could also have been the severe weight loss lol.
Give it slightly longer stroke and different cams for more down low and up cc to help pass emissions.
But then they already have the FJ1200.
A lot of people I know are buying up the early millennium Superbikes that are pre full on electronic aids and doing them up, maybe for the coming mad max apocalypse lol
I think major issue is the aging populations bodies aren’t up to sports bike riding positions too. A mid range adventure bike embarrasses sports bikes on our roads let alone the bigger power versions.

[Stylo]

Reckon a super adventure style tourer with that cross plane engine would be mean. I jumped straight off a slightly bigger v-twin onto mates r1 and was surprised how torquey down low it felt. Could also have been the severe weight loss lol.
Give it slightly longer stroke and different cams for more down low and up cc to help pass emissions.
But then they already have the FJ1200.
A lot of people I know are buying up the early millennium Superbikes that are pre full on electronic aids and doing them up, maybe for the coming mad max apocalypse lol
I think major issue is the aging populations bodies aren’t up to sports bike riding positions too. A mid range adventure bike embarrasses sports bikes on our roads let alone the bigger power versions.

And, I'll hang on to my '18 ZX14R for now.

Agree with your comments. I'm still a young fella though...

[pete376403]

Reckon a super adventure style tourer with that cross plane engine would be mean. I jumped straight off a slightly bigger v-twin onto mates r1 and was surprised how torquey down low it felt. Could also have been the severe weight loss lol.
Give it slightly longer stroke and different cams for more down low and up cc to help pass emissions.
But then they already have the FJ1200.
A lot of people I know are buying up the early millennium Superbikes that are pre full on electronic aids and doing them up, maybe for the coming mad max apocalypse lol
I think major issue is the aging populations bodies aren’t up to sports bike riding positions too. A mid range adventure bike embarrasses sports bikes on our roads let alone the bigger power versions.

Doesnt help that a lot of NZ main and secondary roads would. in other parts of the world, be considered of an "adventure" standard with regards to surface and state of repair, eg the latest Itchy Boots trip where she is now in Angola, following construction after many years of civil war the roads are still better than what is classed SH1 here

[pritch]

Some years back (between 10 and 20 ) a friend of mine who worked for BMW when talking to the big man from Germany had a point to make. He said the bikes keep getting bigger and bigger but the riders are getting older and older. Evidence suggests that not many manufacturers have realised this yet.

The problems of building prestige or 'passion', or whatever, into a comfy mid weight bike it seems are insurmountable - for now at least.

[Moise]

The R1 and R1M are being dropped from the road bike line up in Europe, like the GSXR before it. Euro 5+ emission laws and dwindling sales are the main, if not only, reasons. Like the R6 there will be a track only version.

https://www.rideapart.com/news/709594/yamaha-r1-r1m-discontinued-europe/

Time for the long-rumoured R9 triple to make an entrance?This has been coming for a while. It could leave WSBK in an interesting situation racing bikes that aren't for sale to the public.

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[pritch]

This has been coming for a while. It could leave WSBK in an interesting situation racing bikes that aren't for sale to the public.


Or we go back to the days of homologation specials?

[onearmedbandit]

This has been coming for a while. It could leave WSBK in an interesting situation racing bikes that aren't for sale to the public.

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Apparently the bike is homologated until 2028. After that no idea.

[F5 Dave]

Racing has been in a bit of a looming pickle for a while. The 600 feeder class hasn't got much of a base. 650 twins step up to Superbikes is not an attractive recipe.

You've all seen that US spectacle of Baggers, but it's kinda dumb, you need to put real money into those shitters to make them trackworthy. Unlike a 600 or a thou that you can race on a budget of tyres and bodywork if you need to.

Next we will have a LongLegged class of people racing Charlie and Ewan bikes (complete with adventure tyres I hope).

Dodgy might be along soon. Loved his R1M. But I parked it and said that I didn't want to ride it again because it was silly on the road.
. . . Then again. . .

[HenryDorsetCase]

Some years back (between 10 and 20 ) a friend of mine who worked for BMW when talking to the big man from Germany had a point to make. He said the bikes keep getting bigger and bigger but the riders are getting older and older. Evidence suggests that not many manufacturers have realised this yet.

The problems of building prestige or 'passion', or whatever, into a comfy mid weight bike it seems are insurmountable - for now at least.

I don't see young people (teens to late 20s) riding bikes. Not to the extent that we did back in the day. The only large groups I have seen are the dudes out "pesting" on their C50's etc. It does seem to me that they are having a pretty good time and the "ride a little, get somewhere, stand around for ages and talk shit" aesthetic is alive and well with those people.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Racing has been in a bit of a looming pickle for a while. The 600 feeder class hasn't got much of a base. 650 twins step up to Superbikes is not an attractive recipe.

You've all seen that US spectacle of Baggers, but it's kinda dumb, you need to put real money into those shitters to make them trackworthy. Unlike a 600 or a thou that you can race on a budget of tyres and bodywork if you need to.

Next we will have a LongLegged class of people racing Charlie and Ewan bikes (complete with adventure tyres I hope).

Dodgy might be along soon. Loved his R1M. But I parked it and said that I didn't want to ride it again because it was silly on the road.
. . . Then again. . .

Racing is racing and that bagger racing is real racing. Plus its hilarious that something that ungainly can get tipped on its ear and hammered like they do. It helps that you have riders of the calibre of Jezza McWilliams etc on them, being paid well and it is two factory teams plus satellites. Do you listen to podcasts? Here's one with Saint Kevin Cameron talking about exactly that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiB3hk_DghI&list=PLmxTBAJjAAmU8b-IzoSIW9A4DHjnfXl1N&index=4

[Grumph]

I'd pay to see baggers in the IOM.

They still handle poorly enough that it becomes a wrestling match - which modern performance bikes have gone past.

As Cameron says, they're like the early superbike, great fun to watch.

[F5 Dave]

Ooh yes I do and have started dipping into this.

As he says, people enjoy novelty. You read my above idea here first.

Year after next they'll have to add their wife as pillion.


I'd actually just finished listening to a podcast and clicked over to kb. So my gift back to you, even though not mc related, give some good tips if you, like I, were considering starting a sex (is there any other kind) cult/church.

Search on you fav player:
BBC, world of secrets. Skip the first season and get onto the 2nd one. The Disciples.

[onearmedbandit]

I don't see young people (teens to late 20s) riding bikes. Not to the extent that we did back in the day. The only large groups I have seen are the dudes out "pesting" on their C50's etc. It does seem to me that they are having a pretty good time and the "ride a little, get somewhere, stand around for ages and talk shit" aesthetic is alive and well with those people.

They're out there, mostly on R3's, KTM's, Ninjas etc. In the facebook Canterbury rider groups there's a number of posts and pics of them out and about.

[Moise]

Dodgy might be along soon. Loved his R1M. But I parked it and said that I didn't want to ride it again because it was silly on the road.
. . . Then again. . .
Newish litre bikes like the R1 and RSV4 are too small for me, but I nearly bought a Tuono 1100 three years ago. It was the easiest bike to go stupid on that I've ridden, and also very comfortable!

Auckland went into an extended lockdown the day after my test ride, which gave me the chance to reflect on whether it was really a Good Idea. In the end, I decided not to buy it, although sometimes I think maybe I should have.





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[Moise]

They're out there, mostly on R3's, KTM's, Ninjas etc. In the facebook Canterbury rider groups there's a number of posts and pics of them out and about.Same in Auckland.

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[F5 Dave]

I rode a mate's one of those. Insane wheelie machine (with wheelie control turned off somehow) I got back to where we met again gabbling. He said " you don't have to ride it that way" yeah. You kinda do.

[roogazza]

I was surprised on my very first trip to GP's in Europe 2005, the trend of big nakeds !!!!! and street fighters !

Everything I thought, was sport bikes, not so in Europe !

And so we have what we have now.

:laugh:

[rastuscat]

Some years back (between 10 and 20 ) a friend of mine who worked for BMW when talking to the big man from Germany had a point to make. He said the bikes keep getting bigger and bigger but the riders are getting older and older. Evidence suggests that not many manufacturers have realised this yet.

The problems of building prestige or 'passion', or whatever, into a comfy mid weight bike it seems are insurmountable - for now at least.

I've noted an increasing number of riders favouring mid-range ADV bikes over the big ones. Like, going from a 1250GSA to an 850GSA, or a 900XR.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I've noted an increasing number of riders favouring mid-range ADV bikes over the big ones. Like, going from a 1250GSA to an 850GSA, or a 900XR.

I think the first time you had to pick one up would be when you decided fuck this Ima get me summat lighter. I have been looking at those 390 KTM's speculatively.

[F5 Dave]

During an enforced break I've been having impure thoughts of adding an eighth bike, (because n+1). An 800DE would be snazzy. But realistically I idly
gazed on 390 (same shop here). Currently not as dirt focused as I'd want. But the 400 is due next year and they might give it a 21" front wheel version.

The lads have big (800ish) adventure bikes, and they virtually all have DR650 for when the rides get stickier.
A KTM400 would probably put out same cruising power as a prehistoric DR and be more nimble.

The 690 is nose bleed tall. If they position the 400 as dirt capable but smaller and with ok range there .may be a good bike there.

Ha. 890 adventure just turned the corner outside cafe window.

So you can still buy a quanto expensive euro sprotbike (TM Hitcher:Punk:) but the rest of us need to get our thrill 'Adjacent '

Sidenote: buy a trials bike. You know you've always wanted a go. They are actually lots of fun.

You can fit them on a towbar racking you don't have a trailer or van.

[onearmedbandit]

I was in at CMG recently talking to Elliot about this, and he mentioned the new CFMoto 450 twin ADV bike coming out soon. Seems like it might be a good candidate for me. Somewhere around 10-11k new.

https://www.advpulse.com/adv-news/cfmoto-450mt-adventure-bike-announced/

[Grumph]

I was in at CMG recently talking to Elliot about this, and he mentioned the new CFMoto 450 twin ADV bike coming out soon. Seems like it might be a good candidate for me. Somewhere around 10-11k new.

https://www.advpulse.com/adv-news/cfmoto-450mt-adventure-bike-announced/

That makes the RM370 powered by a GS400 twin that I built in the 90's look quite attractive.
Not much less power and it only weighed around 170kg.
A 100mph trail bike with fa brakes. Easily solved now with a disc.
Long gone sadly.

[Kickaha]

The 690 is nose bleed tall.

You know you can lower them ? having done a 400 km ride on one a few weeks back I am now trying to intimidate the owner into selling it to me

The DR650 on the same ride was smoother and slightly nicer to ride but also felt a lot heavier and not quite as good at the more off roady stuff

[HenryDorsetCase]

Sidenote: buy a trials bike. You know you've always wanted a go. They are actually lots of fun.



I do as it happens. I have a bike trailer also. Just no fucking time.

[F5 Dave]

You know you can lower them ? having done a 400 km ride on one a few weeks back I am now trying to intimidate the owner into selling it to me

The DR650 on the same ride was smoother and slightly nicer to ride but also felt a lot heavier and not quite as good at the more off roady stuff
If you start off too tall you end up with something longnlow rather than something a bit smaller with linkages in the right range rather than a geometry oddball curve from just fitting different tie bars.

[F5 Dave]

I do as it happens. I have a bike trailer also. Just no fucking time.
I understand that when you have a business or practice to run, it is easy to get chained to feed the beast.

But trust me, you're a long time dead. Ride while you can.

[Gremlin]

During an enforced break I've been having impure thoughts of adding an eighth bike, (because n+1).

My favourite game... if I was to replace x with y, what would y be, or should I get a or b, why. Back to three now, four proved too much, so well done on seven! :not:

I definitely can't have sportsbikes, had one a while ago, nope, can't be trusted to behave on it, just too easy to be naughty. Tried a Tuono v2 before the first lock down and into the midst of lock downs. You always remember the good stuff, not the bad. It was cramped, and when I hit reserve at 155km, it was the final straw. Actually, it had one last surprise for me, heading to Hamilton to test sit/ride it's replacement, it stranded me in Huntly. No test ride and a recovery truck back to Auckland.

Traded on (another) adventure bike. I like long travel suspension and the ability to take any road I like...

[rastuscat]

nope, can't be trusted to behave on it, just too easy to be naughty. .

I hear ya. Every time I get on an MT-07 I just want to do wheelies. It's something they built into them.

And I can't even do wheelies.

[onearmedbandit]

I do like practicing self-control riding a thou. A friend and I went over to the West Coast a couple weeks back, sat at 'possible ticket' speeds and it felt great to not worry about having to consider walking for the next 3mths.

[F5 Dave]

I've never had cruise control on a bike, but my car has it. I use it everywhere straight and dull.

I'm controlling everything including the button under my finger to turn it off, but someone else is controlling the top speed (unless obviously I need to hit the pass pedal for whatever reason).

It takes a lot of the frustration out of transport sections in this regulated world we live in. Fortunately there aren't too many places like that where we most often ride over the hill in the sunny 'rapa.

[Moise]

I do like practicing self-control riding a thou. A friend and I went over to the West Coast a couple weeks back, sat at 'possible ticket' speeds and it felt great to not worry about having to consider walking for the next 3mths.I usually take it quietly on main roads. But it's just too easy to leave the throttle open longer than you need to, or think it's in 5th when it's actually top gear and end up well over 100.

I'll enjoy the R1 while I can, but I can see something like a MT09 in my future.



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[onearmedbandit]

I've never had cruise control on a bike, but my car has it. I use it everywhere straight and dull.

I'm controlling everything including the button under my finger to turn it off, but someone else is controlling the top speed (unless obviously I need to hit the pass pedal for whatever reason).

It takes a lot of the frustration out of transport sections in this regulated world we live in. Fortunately there aren't too many places like that where we most often ride over the hill in the sunny 'rapa.

Yes I use cruise in my car for the same reason, I no longer worry about maintaining a 'boring' speed as my car deals with that. I could see cruise control on a bike being good for that too.

[rastuscat]

Yes I use cruise in my car for the same reason, I no longer worry about maintaining a 'boring' speed as my car deals with that. I could see cruise control on a bike being good for that too.

I thought cruise was the ducks nuts until I got a car with adaptive cruise.

My bike has cruise, but once you have used adaptive cruise you are spoiled. I go up and down SH7 every weekday, and the car sorts the speed for me. The bike does too, but not as well as the car does.

Trickle down theory says I'll have a bike with adaptive cruise some day. But not today.

[onearmedbandit]

I thought cruise was the ducks nuts until I got a car with adaptive cruise.

My bike has cruise, but once you have used adaptive cruise you are spoiled. I go up and down SH7 every weekday, and the car sorts the speed for me. The bike does too, but not as well as the car does.

Trickle down theory says I'll have a bike with adaptive cruise some day. But not today.

100% agreed, adaptive cruise is fantastic, used it a lot with some late model Euro's I've driven and like you say, you really are spoiled by it and normal cruise seems stone age in comparison.

[R650R]

I'd pay to see baggers in the IOM.

They still handle poorly enough that it becomes a wrestling match - which modern performance bikes have gone past.

As Cameron says, they're like the early superbike, great fun to watch.

Wanaka Powersports has bought one of the $160k limited edition of 29 Indian race bikes. I wanna see it laying black lines around Wanganui.

[Grumph]

Wanaka Powersports has bought one of the $160k limited edition of 29 Indian race bikes. I wanna see it laying black lines around Wanganui.

That would be fun. But with that high a minimum weight and that much torque, NZ street circuit road surfaces are at risk.
I can only think of one which wouldn't break up.

We've lost more street circuits due to a lack of a resurfacing budget than for any other reason.

[F5 Dave]

That would be fun. But with that high a minimum weight and that much torque, NZ street circuit road surfaces are at risk.
I can only think of one which wouldn't break up.

We've lost more street circuits due to a lack of a resurfacing budget than for any other reason.


Greg, I'm disappointed. Yes the weight but the torque at the rear wheel is why we have gearboxes and why R1s tear up tyres quicker than hardleys. (Despite, and the reason why they have different compounds).

Apologies on the back of a postcard. . .

[Gremlin]

I've never had cruise control on a bike, but my car has it. I use it everywhere straight and dull.
I used regular cruise quite often, latest company car is an EV with adaptive cruise. Effortless acceleration, deceptive speed, yep, adaptive cruise is freaken awesome. Use it everywhere, only drawbacks are the sensors not liking higher speed curves and it slows down, and false alerts where it suddenly thinks a car is in front and hauls on the brakes.

As soon as you're reasonably comfortable cornering at the speed limit most of the time, having something that can genuinely triple the open road speed limit... yeah nah. And then it just feels like a waste. For me (and losing multiple mates), there needed to be more than just speed from motorcycling, otherwise it's a one way trip. Took a while to adjust, was quite frustrating, but now happy with 100-120hp.

But hey, after plenty of power wheelies in 3rd gear on a 990SM, KTM is now upping the Superduke to a 1390, and the higher spec has 200hp... from a naked bike :eek:

[Grumph]

Greg, I'm disappointed. Yes the weight but the torque at the rear wheel is why we have gearboxes and why R1s tear up tyres quicker than hardleys. (Despite, and the reason why they have different compounds).

Apologies on the back of a postcard. . .

I've been at two "last meetings" at street circuits cos of the surface breaking up. Wyndham and New Brighton. Wyndham it was the F1's and pre 82's did most of the damage. New Brighton it was Hepburn's GSXR750/1100 throwing rocks at the Irishman.

[R650R]

That would be fun. But with that high a minimum weight and that much torque, NZ street circuit road surfaces are at risk.
I can only think of one which wouldn't break up.

We've lost more street circuits due to a lack of a resurfacing budget than for any other reason.

Even more fun 🤣😂😀 Even my lowly GSXR destroyed mates Kawasaki mirror with chuck of tarmac once so I accept that’s a valid concern. I didn’t realise the condition after events was a concern, that’s quite interesting thanks. Guess it’s the modern pay penny counting by councils plus OSH as well I guess.
Tarmac costs are getting out of control these days really time for govt intervention and some price controls.

[F5 Dave]

I used regular cruise quite often, latest company car is an EV with adaptive cruise. Effortless acceleration, deceptive speed, yep, adaptive cruise is freaken awesome. Use it everywhere, only drawbacks are the sensors not liking higher speed curves and it slows down, and false alerts where it suddenly thinks a car is in front and hauls on the brakes.

As soon as you're reasonably comfortable cornering at the speed limit most of the time, having something that can genuinely triple the open road speed limit... yeah nah. And then it just feels like a waste. For me (and losing multiple mates), there needed to be more than just speed from motorcycling, otherwise it's a one way trip. Took a while to adjust, was quite frustrating, but now happy with 100-120hp.

But hey, after plenty of power wheelies in 3rd gear on a 990SM, KTM is now upping the Superduke to a 1390, and the higher spec has 200hp... from a naked bike :eek:



Yeah my car is too old but dad's soober-roo had it. Was quite seamless on open road. Braking got a bit confusedly whipping into a turning lane approaching stationary cars at lights if you see what I mean.

I inherited that car but it was very quickly converted into a 765RS and a 300 Beta. Thanks Dad. Always looking out for me. Wife got a fun car, but to be honest we'd run well into our own money by then. :lol:

[Grumph]

Pic is from pre 89 at Wyndham. F1's were offered a last race and declined. Same rider as the FZR pic was leading pre 82 and got a GS1000 completely sideways down the back straight. Guy in second told me he was waiting for the accident and looking forward to the win. Ha. Kev straightened it out.
That was the last year at Wyndham.

[F5 Dave]

I've been at two "last meetings" at street circuits cos of the surface breaking up. Wyndham and New Brighton. Wyndham it was the F1's and pre 82's did most of the damage. New Brighton it was Hepburn's GSXR750/1100 throwing rocks at the Irishman.

No doubt. But 'Torque' isn't a mysterious force unrelated to HP. But you knew that anyway.

We only had one meeting around the Feilding Square street circuit. It was a blistering hot day and we filled our Yokohama 110s with tar, kinda mullering the surface.
The local tarmac wasn't really compatible with TS100s and CB125s pushed to the cutting edge of adhesion.

[Grumph]

Came across this elsewhere. Seen in Vietnam. Might suit HDC or Dave. Would probably suit me if I was up to riding much.
No idea if it's available here.

[F5 Dave]

Haha, I'm 5'8, not 4'8.

[speedpro]

That fielding street circuit was a hoot. The posts holding up the shop verandahs in at least one place, and the steep drop into the gutters.

More in line with this thread I'm seriously looking at a 2024 MT-09SP. Every box has been ticked that I can think of. There were swags of the 2023 and earlier 09s and SPs at PI for the superbikes which got me thinking.

[BMWST?]

My favourite game... if I was to replace x with y, what would y be, or should I get a or b, why. Back to three now, four proved too much, so well done on seven! :not:

I definitely can't have sportsbikes, had one a while ago, nope, can't be trusted to behave on it, just too easy to be naughty. Tried a Tuono v2 before the first lock down and into the midst of lock downs. You always remember the good stuff, not the bad. It was cramped, and when I hit reserve at 155km, it was the final straw. Actually, it had one last surprise for me, heading to Hamilton to test sit/ride it's replacement, it stranded me in Huntly. No test ride and a recovery truck back to Auckland.

Traded on (another) adventure bike. I like long travel suspension and the ability to take any road I like... and if you 190 cm tall what else do you fit>

[Berries]

You know you can lower them ? having done a 400 km ride on one a few weeks back I am now trying to intimidate the owner into selling it to me

I am 6' tall and nearly put my hip out every time I climb on mine. A couple of off camber intersections are a pain in the arse when I stop for signals. Mental note never to stop when coming out of a downhill driveway if it means my foot is near the kerb as it won't reach.

This one has a few bits on it, nearly 13,000km and they are asking $17K - https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/dual-purpose/ktm/listing/3922108737

This one has lots of bits, 17,000km and they want $15.5 - https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/dual-purpose/ktm/listing/4590621107

Mine is the white one like those, a 2020 model registered as a 2021. Coming up to 10,000km and bog standard which I think is better than having shit you don't need or want. You can have it for $15K and I will throw my lads KLX150 into the deal. All in all I would rather have the R1 in the OP and after this little blip in my bike ownership history will be glad to get back to a sprot bike.

PM me after the Pink concert if you are interested.

[husaberg]

No doubt. But 'Torque' isn't a mysterious force unrelated to HP. But you knew that anyway.

We only had one meeting around the Feilding Square street circuit. It was a blistering hot day and we filled our Yokohama 110s with tar, kinda mullering the surface.
The local tarmac wasn't really compatible with TS100s and CB125s pushed to the cutting edge of adhesion.

Funny I came across a new set of skinny yoko 110s the other day.
they were the hot ticket for classics as well in the 90's but not a cools as my ex Stu avant container yokohama cheetah slicks
that came here after some southern hemisphere GP

[F5 Dave]

yeah, i probably have some yoko slicks downstairs, came in medium, soft and super soft. The wets were pretty trick as well. Until we then got this century Dunlops which put Michie and Bridgepebbles in the shade.

Fuck the nuts things you could do on them. Like push your knee right up almost to the tank. I'll never experience that sort if grip again I imagine.

[roogazza]

I didn't know where to put this ? Some months ago I read of a Spanish lady doing blogs and travelling to many countries round the world'. On a motorcycle and camping.

If her, poor thing , she was raped by 7 Elephant jockies in India last week while camping !!!!!!!

Her partner was made to watch with a knife at his throat... Indian Police have 3 of them locked up and last heard the were on the trail of the other 4 . ????

She is 28 and her partner 63 ....

Penalties are pretty severe for that sort of thing in India.....Life or even Death ,Good job.... G.

ps Google it ,should come up ?

[pritch]

I didn't know where to put this ? Some months ago I read of a Spanish lady doing blogs and travelling to many countries round the world'. On a motorcycle and camping.

If her, poor thing , she was raped by 7 Elephant jockies in India last week while camping !!!!!!!

Her partner was made to watch with a knife at his throat... Indian Police have 3 of them locked up and last heard the were on the trail of the other 4 . ????

She is 28 and her partner 63 ....

Penalties are pretty severe for that sort of thing in India.....Life or even Death ,Good job.... G.

ps Google it ,should come up ?

I hadn't noticed this one. Such events in India are all too common. Getting the cops to actually do something can be an even bigger problem. That the victims in this case are foreigners may help. If they were Dalit the cops wouldn't even get off their arses.

[roogazza]

Word was/is they're heading back to Spain to re coup, leaving their bikes in Europe for when they return.

If it was me , I'd tuck a Glock in my belt....... :msn-wink:

[Berries]

You can have it for $15K and I will throw my lads KLX150 into the deal. All in all I would rather have the R1 in the OP and after this little blip in my bike ownership history will be glad to get back to a sprot bike.
Offer now expired. Traded for a litre road bike while they still exist.