CFMoto 450MT

[Laava]

I have a bike I have now done just over 3000km on. The front brake makes a groaning noise, when under a bit of pressure. I know I can pull the pads for a clean, chamfer the leading edge and put some anti squeal stuff in there but I may as well upspec the pads if I am going to do that?
Anyone changed the pads and if so what to? Also after a recommendation for tank protection/knee grip? TIA…

[F5 Dave]

Not sure I should help as you have a communist bike you feellthy collaborating Red Scum.

Mine arrives in February.
The front brake lacked bite on the demonstrator. I started Google , but there aren't many listings. I believe they are same fitment as a 790 Adventure and a few other things (need to 'do some more research') . Brembo owns J.Juan or whatever they are called.

I was going to go EBC HH for some front end bite. But not sure how they cope with dirt.

There are sod all forums, one Auss Adventure thread which is 60 pages of train of thought. And I'm not on farcebook as it's all train of thought and lack of thought.

See this looks good, but part of Road range. Is that important? Maybe not.
https://www.rpmmoto.com.au/ferodo-sintergrip-hh-front-brake-pads-for-2024-cf

[husaberg]

Hi Looks like they are the std Ducati 2 pin pads from the second gen p30/34s
going by Draves pic in link.
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ie just same as practically every Ducati from about 97-2005.
your multistrada should have had the same pads
I was going to say I will lend/send you up a few but most of mine are 1 pin early..
if you want to try some, I can whip out the ones from the Dogcati though they are later 2 pin pads?
I will be running some 1 pin calipers on her anyway..as I have a few set of new pads (and another reason)


https://www.desmo-racing.com/en/ducati-brake-pads-ducati-brembo-carbon-ceramique-07bb1907-xml-357_419-6683.html

If it was me I would Spray the feck out of it with brakleen first though.

[Laava]

Not sure I should help as you have a communist bike you feellthy collaborating Red Scum.

Mine arrives in February.
Brembo owns J.Juan
https://www.rpmmoto.com.au/ferodo-sintergrip-hh-front-brake-pads-for-2024-cf
Yep. I am a socialist thanks! And thanks for the link. I will get some of those as they are cheaper in NZ than in OZ it would seem. Looks like someone may even have some in stock for my mexican brakes here in whangarei!
Cracking good bikes too!

Hi Looks like they are the std Ducati 2 pin pads from the second gen p30/34s
going by Draves pic in link.
355413

ie just same as practically every Ducati from about 97-2005.
your multistrada should have had the same pads
I was going to say I will lend/send you up a few but most of mine are 1 pin early..
if you want to try some, I can whip out the ones from the Dogcati though they are later 2 pin pads?
I will be running some 1 pin calipers on her anyway..as I have a few set of new pads (and another reason)


https://www.desmo-racing.com/en/ducati-brake-pads-ducati-brembo-carbon-ceramique-07bb1907-xml-357_419-6683.html

If it was me I would Spray the feck out of it with brakleen first though.
Yeah, gonna have a good clean up and chuck in some brand new ones. Hoping to get just a little more power without having to change the m/cyl. Cheers tho!

[Laava]

Also looking for a recommmendation for tank grip stuff. There is so much on ebay that it is impossible to tell the good from the bad at times…considered just getting some Oxford generic stuff and making it work. You really want something when standing up on gravel etc

[F5 Dave]

Yep. I am a socialist thanks! And thanks for the link. I will get some of those as they are cheaper in NZ than in OZ it would seem. Looks like someone may even have some in stock for my mexican brakes here in whangarei!
Cracking good bikes too!

Yeah, gonna have a good clean up and chuck in some brand new ones. Hoping to get just a little more power without having to change the m/cyl. Cheers tho!
OK. Comrade.

[F5 Dave]

I put some of this stuff on the Beta. It's OK and sticking OK 3 years on. Have to spend the time to stick it down and repress a few times over a couple of hours. On other dirtbikes I'd glue edges down every 6 month with selleys all clear (which is a wonder product).

In fact I might get some more for the 450 now you mention it

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005007307536119.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.1 .25a6dEz1dEz1gO&algo_pvid=09a026d0-ac1b-43f8-b4b3-66e0c33bf16d&algo_exp_id=09a026d0-ac1b-43f8-b4b3-66e0c33bf16d-0&pdp_npi=4%40dis%21NZD%2117.52%2116.55%21%21%2170.4 5%2166.54%21%402103277f17360486747677150ea6cd%2112 000040180948142%21sea%21NZ%21135325605%21X&curPageLogUid=EwKhbWt8J9MU&utparam-url=scene%3Asearch%7Cquery_from%3A

[husaberg]

Just looking at the sales pic the SS450 and the MT450 has the later radial caliper so not 100% sure it will use the 2 pin pads?

[Laava]

Thought i would try to attach a photo!

[SaferRides]

Not sure I should help as you have a communist bike you feellthy collaborating Red Scum.

Mine arrives in February.
The front brake lacked bite on the demonstrator. I started Google , but there aren't many listings. I believe they are same fitment as a 790 Adventure and a few other things (need to 'do some more research') . Brembo owns J.Juan or whatever they are called.

I was going to go EBC HH for some front end bite. But not sure how they cope with dirt.

There are sod all forums, one Auss Adventure thread which is 60 pages of train of thought. And I'm not on farcebook as it's all train of thought and lack of thought.

See this looks good, but part of Road range. Is that important? Maybe not.
https://www.rpmmoto.com.au/ferodo-sintergrip-hh-front-brake-pads-for-2024-cf

I have the SinterGrip pads on the R1 rear brake. Excellent for that application but difficult to believe they are HH?

Have a look on carpimoto.com. They have good pricing on Brembo pads.

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[F5 Dave]

Hmm, only list for bigger cc bikes cfmoto on that site currently. But I think I got my brembos for my 765 (on shelf ready) from there. Them and genialmotor are good. Hmm Genial. . , nice arrow for 600 odd euro. No. Don't need.:nono:
Hmm, only rear pads currently listed.

[F5 Dave]

Grez sucks about having to sell. Guess didn't try out new pads then?

My tank grip showed up. As had bark buster type lever protection. And some luggage.

[Laava]

Grez sucks about having to sell. Guess didn't try out new pads then?

My tank grip showed up. As had bark buster type lever protection. And some luggage.
Yes I had just fitted them. The noise is even worse now! I will take them back out again…fuck fuck fuckity fuck!

[F5 Dave]

Try cleaning the disk off with a steelo pad or emery cloth and brake clean first .

What part number/brand did you end up using?

[husaberg]

Looking at the buttons on the rotor in the pic you had posted how much float? does it have does it drag any when the wheel is lifted up off the ground?

[F5 Dave]

Some people rotate the buttons with a drill/something a bit soft to make sure they aren't binding. Brake clean in there.

[Laava]

Try cleaning the disk off with a steelo pad or emery cloth and brake clean first .

What part number/brand did you end up using?
i went with…https://www.rpmmoto.com.au/ferodo-sintergrip-hh-front-brake-pads-for-2024-cf


Looking at the buttons on the rotor in the pic you had posted how much float? does it have does it drag any when the wheel is lifted up off the ground?
didn't lift the wheel off the ground. Zero float sideways with the buttons


Some people rotate the buttons with a drill/something a bit soft to make sure they aren't binding. Brake clean in there.
So I cleaned everything immaculately and spun the bobins with brake cleaner. IME neither of these exercises have ever made any difference on my Ducatis, and not with this bike either. I chamfered the leading edges of the pads as well when I fitted them but did not do the radial edges. To be fair tho, that is something you would do to discs that had a fair bit of use on them.
I also put an anti squeal compound on the backs of the pads.

[SaferRides]

i went with…https://www.rpmmoto.com.au/ferodo-sintergrip-hh-front-brake-pads-for-2024-cf

So I cleaned everything immaculately and spun the bobins with brake cleaner. IME neither of these exercises have ever made any difference on my Ducatis, and not with this bike either. I chamfered the leading edges of the pads as well when I fitted them but did not do the radial edges. To be fair tho, that is something you would do to discs that had a fair bit of use on them.
I also put an anti squeal compound on the backs of the pads.
Those pads have always been quiet in the R1, but it does have a cheap Chinese wave rotor. They tend to be quieter than drilled rotors.



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[F5 Dave]

Frustrating.

Quite s few Trials bikes squeal. Often less as they get used. Hmm.

[husaberg]

To be honest I would spin the wheel try and see where it makes the noise. if it hasn't got a centre stand get someones help to lever it up on the sidestand.
make up a rig and see if the disc is both round and true.
tbh in the pic it looks to be mild steel unlike the higher chromium steel the Japanese use.
could it be something like the caliper moving or part of the ABS (am assuming its ABS)
I had an early use that used to make noises out of the pressure reducer or whatever the f it was.
Best of luck.

[Laava]

Right, so I replaced the original pads but chamfered the leading and radial edges, not heavily, and put some high temp grease on the loaded edge of the pad and then did a varying brake test and it seems good now. So now I have a set of ferodo sinterd pads that have done approx 25km spare as I am not going to piss about putting them back in…

[husaberg]

Right, so I replaced the original pads but chamfered the leading and radial edges, not heavily, and put some high temp grease on the loaded edge of the pad and then did a varying brake test and it seems good now. So now I have a set of ferodo sinterd pads that have done approx 25km spare as I am not going to piss about putting them back in…
Shouldn't they fit your other Ducatis ?

[F5 Dave]

Pm me the bank account details and post them to me for what you think is reasonable. ;)

[Laava]

Shouldn't they fit your other Ducatis ?
Oh yeah, that's true, I just would need another pair…

[husaberg]

Oh yeah, that's true, I just would need another pair…

Well clearly the only answer is to buy a 400ss or 600 monster....;)

[Laava]

Well clearly the only answer is to buy a 400ss or 600 monster....;)
Oh yeah! You’re an ideas man Husa!

[F5 Dave]

Ok took day off to uplift this.

Now done 220km and dirty from maybe 20km gravel road.

[sugilite]

Ok took day off to uplift this.

Now done 220km and dirty from maybe 20km gravel road.
Keep us updated on your impressions, thinking about one of these for me.

[F5 Dave]

Local shop reckons they have sold around 60. Just them. Astounding.

I like riding it on the road. Obviously running in. Kinda. Odd but fun on road, and bearing in mind I test rode my 765 in the morning having fitted a 5mm spacer to jack rear up 10-15mm in line with new model. Felt sharper, loved it.
So then onto a gangley Adventure bike with 21" wheel and handlebars at head level (not really but felt like it for first 5km). Onto motorway and over the tukas on brand new half dirt tyres.

But they scuffed in to usable fairly quick. Through Martinborough ingesting the world most expensive pie and soft drink, onto Admiral road loop to get a taste of gravel, for I dunno, 20km maybe. I'll probably find out it was 4.:rolleyes:

Was pretty hard gravel to start with and I was wishing for my dirtbike knobbly on the front. But it got better as I learned those tyres and the gravel got better. We did pass a grader mid way and he'd probably come from our end.

Back over tukas and getting used to the road manners at least. A fun new chapter.

[Laava]

Awesome. They are a great bike!

[sugilite]

the good shit
Cheers for that report, it is already more useful than near all the youtube videos I've seen!
Look forward to hearing more when you get the chance. :yes:

[F5 Dave]

Sadly won't do more than a couple of hours tomorrow if lucky and Sunday the Beta needs to be ridden.

I need a sponsor so I can ride full time.

Maybe start a youtube.com?

Scratchy Gloves.

Yeah. That'll work.

[sugilite]

Maybe start a youtube.com?

Scratchy Gloves.

Yeah. That'll work.
Was Bitchy Boots taken? :innocent:

[husaberg]

Sadly won't do more than a couple of hours tomorrow if lucky and Sunday the Beta needs to be ridden.

I need a sponsor so I can ride full time.

Maybe start a youtube.com?

Scratchy Gloves.

Yeah. That'll work.

Maybe crowd fund some decent norks first......

[F5 Dave]

No I'll just slap a salami down my Alpine Stars.

[Laava]

Was on a ride in the weekend with a bunch of guys and two were on 450's. Didn't realise I would miss it so much…still, they still make them..

[Kickaha]

Watched a couple of videos on suspension overhauls on them, they got pretty good results for not a ton of outlay


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAYSUsd5VEI

[F5 Dave]

Cool I'll watch that soon.

Last couple of nights over had energy to get into the garage which i have not been doing.

Did grippy tank protection (more pink?!??) and s/w bobbins. That only took an extra hour on lathe and checking for bolt on parts.

Weather looks good tomorrow. . . Submits form. . Charts wiggly path on beeline to take in gravel roads. . .

[F5 Dave]

Seemed like a good bunch but obviously Queensland isn't going to happen.
Knew the forksprings were not available yet.

[F5 Dave]

This thing is so confidence inspiring on the road. Doesn't pitch around on and off the brakes. I guess that's what he's saying about excessive compression damping.

Got onto some good gravel roads, the easy kind which you can rail around the corner and cruise down the straight at 80.
And a few a bit deeper. Not so fun. Front tyre just isn't the biscuits in deeper gravel despite its prowess on the road.
Sunday I did a trail ride which had 50% transport sections. I was a demon on the gravel. My 300 has the correct amount of Strokes and a X20 Bridgestone.
It was pretty rangey when we got to the tarmac so would have hated it on the road but wished for it on the gravel.

Must be a better compromise.

I mean I know why they put these on for the test rides and probably a lot of buyers they won't venture off road. Mind you I got proper scared a few times so a road rider dipping a toe might think that this is what it's like if they try thicker gravel first.

But on the right roads I'm having a ball. When do I change the front tyre?

On roads it's like the same roads are now new. I'm loving riding a bike that if my sprotbike handled like this I'd be asking questions. I've just shy of 600km. That means that according to the book 500km I can up revs to 6000. Cough, didn't do that from 3rd corner.

[Laava]

By the time I got to 4000km, I would just have kept going on the original tyres. They are not that bad despite me having been told that that was the first thing I would need to change. Did plenty of gravel roads, some relatively gnarly stuff too. In wet slippery mud it would have been a very different story tho I am sure.

[F5 Dave]

Better man than I. And I rail along pretty well on the dirtbike. I found today that there is gravel they like, gravel they cope with, and gravel that I'm not enjoying myself. I turned around on a section today. Didn't lead anywhere though.

Was thinking I'll ask about what they would charge for Dunlop Trail Raid for the front when the first service is due.

[F5 Dave]

Ok so today. As I was out Thursday I thought I'd ride the trials bike and bicycle today for general training. But took daughter for a bike ride Saturday and remember that I only suffer bicycles.

Woke up well rested and not hung over. Despite friends over for bbq last night.

Change of plan. I'm riding dirtbike next weekend then 765 for a weekend away, another dirtbike ride, I'll never get closer to getting 1st service out of the way.

Ok so Google maps. Hmm. This is the bustling hub of Mauriceville. Had to ask public to step out of the way to take the picture. Actually it's the return of the loop. Didn't stop for many photos.

[F5 Dave]

Mauriceville is on my (well used to be) my regular north loop ride. Decided to re-explore West Mauriceville. Goattrack in a sprotbike, but and Adventure (sic) on an overgrown trailie. Oh. That's right. Turns to gravel.

That's why I'd not been back. 3 roads explored. Back a bit and take another road that quickly becomes gravel. Sweet.

Go past an Historic Norwegian Methodist church. Who knew? Mind you, I thought they were cooler when they had gods like Wodin and Thor and um , the others.

Then behind Ekatahuna. To Nireaha, Hukanui , Nikau, then link to Pahiatua for an eat. First cafe bakery. Hmm. All day breakfast as I only had cereal. Wonder if they. . .ni, clues in the name. What's in that mate? Oh. Just closed the kitchen. Not even 1.30.

Next bakery. Ok bacon egg paninini. Can you toast that? Ohh. I only have the microwave or the oven.
Ok was nice cold.

Back through mauriceville. Backroad from masterton to featherston. Back home.

Ooh eck. 972km. Ride to the shop will Polish off 1000km for service.

[F5 Dave]

They really have done an exemplary job of making a bike that handles great on the road. For test rides, probably. Tyres grip road great, bike doesn't pitch around at all when braking or accelerating.

I suspect that this will compromise dirt. A revalve will help here but must compromise road surely as it feels so desperately different from the Beta 300 . Then again, it is 100 kilos and longer suspension. But still.

I think a revalve and linear springs will help dirt manners and maybe won't hurt road too much.


Big slab of lamb coming off the bbq.
Time to sign off.

[Laava]

Sounds like fun!

[Kickaha]

I think a revalve and linear springs will help dirt manners and maybe won't hurt road too much.


MotoSR in Taupo already have a package worked out for them and have linear springs available

[husaberg]

MotoSR in Taupo already have a package worked out for them and have linear springs available
https://www.motosr.co.nz/workshopsuspensionservices/cf-moto-450-mt/

[F5 Dave]

Dunlop Trailmaster Raid going on front.

Check my new balance stand.
Made from scrap plus $7 pack of 4 M10 bearings. Spins forever.

[F5 Dave]

Revelation. The old tyre terrified me in deep gravel. There was one road in West Mauriceville that I started down 2 weeks ago and turned around after 2 corners. Did it right through today.

And it's as good on the road, which is it could be a road tyre. Well. A 21" one mounted to an oversized trailbike, but you get the point.
Even got a bit frisky . Fantastic choice.

[Kickaha]

he old tyre terrified me in deep gravel. What was it ?

[F5 Dave]

Std CST. Which is am lead to believe is Chin Sheng Tyres. It's great on road, looks like a Scorpion copy.

[Laava]

How are you enjoying the MT Dave?

[F5 Dave]

Currently, no, not really.

About 10 weeks ago, I sprained my thumb doing acrobatics on my dirtbike. I rode the CF for the next few weeks as I figured it had the highest bars. It was excruciating the first time. The next few were a bit better. Turns out it is the worst thing gripping a throttle and squeezing a (weak) brake (yet to change to those pads i got from you).

So finally went to hand place and got a splint thingy. And several weeks of not riding. Rode the 765 yesterday which is actually easier as you are more weight on outer palms than thumb web.

So, not fault of the bike. :facepalm: Might try a short ride next week.

Yesterday I did finish fitting the upper crash bars that finally arrived a week back.

[F5 Dave]

Bars fitted.

Time of year to fit heated grips that came my way.

People keep asking.And I mean every time, about the ocky strap at the back.
Well I won't keep you in suspenders.

It's the Tuned Mass Damper.
Got the idea from MotoGP Dooclatteries.:rolleyes:

[F5 Dave]

Well I wasted 1/2 hr riding time looking for the brake pads I bought off Laava. The weren't with the brake pads. Finally found them as I was putting something away.

Took old ones out thinking they would be some generic. J.Juan pads like the caliper, and that would explain the lack of bite.

SBS HH. Oh dear. Still the Ferodo pads went in after a quick sand on flat surface.
3 applications and I could tell they were better. Thanks Laava.

Still think the mc should be smaller for more power, but it's acceptable.

Had a great ride. Must post pics on Wellington thread later.

[sugilite]

It's the Tuned Mass Damper.
Got the idea from MotoGP Dooclatteries.:rolleyes:

How does it work? Can you like strap 5 meat pies onto the back, then eat them when you need some more forward weight bias? Genius!

BTW, thank you for giving all the information you are on this thread, awesome!

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[F5 Dave]

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/189948-Wellington-it-is-a-glorious-day-to-get-out-there?p=1131237488#post1131237488


(https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/189948-Wellington-it-is-a-glorious-day-to-get-out-there?p=1131237488#post1131237488)Linky

[F5 Dave]

Geez that guy is a bit keen.

[pete376403]

How does it work? Can you like strap 5 meat pies onto the back, then eat them when you need some more forward weight bias? Genius!

BTW, thank you for giving all the information you are on this thread, awesome!

30 seconds into that video, my pet hate of off roading - some cretin stops in the snottiest bit of the track to see how those following are getting on. Usually it is the (single) exit of a river crossing.

[F5 Dave]

Oh yeah, some thoughts. People gear these up. I don't understand why.
At 6500 you are doing 75% of a pretty low redline so it's not like it's being thrashed.
You are indicating 110 (but probably close to 100). Thing is it feels like, more and not frustrating. Guess if your buddies have KTM890s it might be a thing, but how fast do you want to go on semi knobblies?

Gearing it up would make picking around on a trail potentially more difficult, and wound acceleration in taller gears.

You can take you hand off and pinch the grip with your fingers. No vibration. Try that on your DR650!

Decided to book some spring for the forks and send both ends too MotoSR in July when it's really cold.

He reckons he's got 3 to do in next week's.

[F5 Dave]

Well out with this old thing (pic 1)

This should stiffen things up a bit (pic 2)

Later in week I'll slip the bike forwards & get the forks out. Geez getting to this stage took me 3 hours. Ok I had to make the support strut, but it is a lot more complex than a 110kg Dirtbike, or even Sportsbikes somehow. Guess its doing both sides at same time gets hard.

[jellywrestler]

Decided to book some spring for the forks and send both ends too MotoSR in July when it's really cold.

He reckons he's got 3 to do in next week's.

whose moto sr?

[F5 Dave]

https://www.motosr.co.nz/workshopsuspensionservices/cf-moto-450-mt/

Do a lot of dirt stuff.

[F5 Dave]

We headed off to do Shannon dam today. Try out new suspension.

Long story short :doh::o:o


Ran out of gas and big delays, went to Cafe instead.

Big serious test was limited to some gravel on corners up piecock hill which is getting pretty feral, and the judder-bars on the other side.

Oh well was riding at least. That reminds me to update other thread.