Eat your heart out rastuscat

[Gremlin]

Got your motorcycle licence? In Japan? Yeah, maybe not.
It limits the capacity allowed. Want to ride a bigger bike? Back to licence school you go, for days of training, drills, and then a test.

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rastuscat, you might want to fetch the tissues first ;)

[rastuscat]

Really interesting. Lots of skills there that would challenge most riders. The balance plank, wow.

Thing is, the harder you make it to get a license the higher the level of non compliance. Like, it's not actually very hard to get a motorcycle license here and yet about 30% of riders here are riding without the appropriate license.

We think it's a faff and expensive, but then you speak to someone from overseas and find that our system is relatively easy.

The societal differences between us and those countries makes a big difference. In Japan the population is relatively compliant. Perhaps more so than here. So you can have a more testing license process there and it won't drive non-compliance up.

In NZ the current drive is to make it easier to get a license, in the name of equity and employability. Not too much mention of turning out better road users.

The CBTA process here is pretty good compared to the pre-CBTA system. It turns out better riders. But the old system still has to exist, as not everyone has access to a CBTA/R4E instructor.

Being licensed also is no guarantee of safety. I've seen very skilled and safe riders who have no license and idiots who have one.

The uptake of post-license skill acquisition here is disappointing, and indicative of our attitude to safe road use. Once people get their license that's it, they see no need fir ongoing skill acquisition. R4E exists for not much money, but only a minority of riders partake.

If riders collectively were half as good as they think they are we'd be way better off. But perhaps that's the problem; riders aren't half as good as they think they are.

Attitude and beliefs are the keys to proficiency.

[F5 Dave]

How do you drive a motorcycle :whistle:

[Gremlin]

In NZ the current drive is to make it easier to get a license, in the name of equity and employability. Not too much mention of turning out better road users.
Perhaps it's part of the problem. Licences are seen as the solution to getting a job etc, because of the spread out population and lack of public transport. So rather than, if you can afford and get a licence, and if you can use roads responsibly, then you can get a licence, but it won't be easy. Compared to, well, you need to get a licence to open your options, as public transport is rarely the solution besides commuting to CBD.

My brother has been living in Japan for a few years. He has to pay for a spot to have a car, on a stacker that stores into the ground. If the car is too big, no spot for you. Never mind the yard of cars approach in NZ (I uh, with 5 vehicles may be part of that problem).


If riders collectively were half as good as they think they are we'd be way better off. But perhaps that's the problem; riders aren't half as good as they think they are.
Well, then perhaps the study commissioned by Tower comes as no surprise: https://www.tarmaclife.co.nz/top-gear/apparently-kiwis-over-rate-their-driving-ability/
The shorts for the lazy:

0.8% of people believe their driving is below average
96% believe others need to improve
92% of men rate their driving above average
86% of women rate their driving above average

The math ain't mathing...

[rastuscat]

Perhaps it's part of the problem. Licences are seen as the solution to getting a job etc, because of the spread out population and lack of public transport. So rather than, if you can afford and get a licence, and if you can use roads responsibly, then you can get a licence, but it won't be easy. Compared to, well, you need to get a licence to open your options, as public transport is rarely the solution besides commuting to CBD.

My brother has been living in Japan for a few years. He has to pay for a spot to have a car, on a stacker that stores into the ground. If the car is too big, no spot for you. Never mind the yard of cars approach in NZ (I uh, with 5 vehicles may be part of that problem).


Well, then perhaps the study commissioned by Tower comes as no surprise: https://www.tarmaclife.co.nz/top-gear/apparently-kiwis-over-rate-their-driving-ability/
The shorts for the lazy:

0.8% of people believe their driving is below average
96% believe others need to improve
92% of men rate their driving above average
86% of women rate their driving above average

The math ain't mathing...

Yes. We did a public survey in 2018 of 2000 Canterbury road users. Drivers, riders.

The take aways are disappointing.

Everyone thinks driver education is the answer, for everyone except themselves.

Everyone thinks they are better than average. Which can't be true. It's not how averages work.

Everyone sees other people making mistakes but psychology allows individuals to ignore their own mistakes. Which us why we think we are better than most.

It's basically saddening. As optimism bias prevents us from improving ourselves. And it's hard to overcome optimism bias.

[jellywrestler]

Yes. We did a public survey in 2018 of 2000 Canterbury road users. Drivers, riders.

The take aways are disappointing.

Everyone thinks driver education is the answer, for everyone except themselves.

Everyone thinks they are better than average. Which can't be true. It's not how averages work.

Everyone sees other people making mistakes but psychology allows individuals to ignore their own mistakes. Which us why we think we are better than most.

It's basically saddening. As optimism bias prevents us from improving ourselves. And it's hard to overcome optimism bias.

sounds like the polices attitude to thinking they only have to get people for speeding and alcohol, and every other driving offence is not worth pursuing

[SaferRides]

I must be in the minority then as most of the driving I see outside of Auckland is fine. But there are people on the road in Auckland who obviously never passed a driving test here.



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[roogazza]

I must be in the minority then as most of the driving I see outside of Auckland is fine. But there are people on the road in Auckland who obviously never passed a driving test here.
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Must admit SaferRides , that huge tractor that tried to take me out a few weeks ago is still in my head !

Haven't been out much since, but thats my health probs holding me back at the mo . :rolleyes::(

[rastuscat]

I must be in the minority then as most of the driving I see outside of Auckland is fine. But there are people on the road in Auckland who obviously never passed a driving test here.
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People in Christchurch will tell you that Christchurch drivers are the worst.

People in New Plymouth will tell you New Plymouth drivers are the worst.

It all comes down to individual experiences.

[nerrrd]

Waiting to cross the road last night at one of our local rat-runs, 10 cars going straight through a roundabout, only one indicated and that was for a right turn (despite also going straight through).

Does that make them all bad drivers? It's a roundabout which used to be a standard crossroads for two suburban side streets – blink and you'd miss it. Part of me can see how, by the time your indicator has blinked even once, you're already leaving, part of me thinks not indicating is the start of a bad habit. I don't think it's always a black and white issue.

[TheDemonLord]

People in Christchurch will tell you that Christchurch drivers are the worst.

People in New Plymouth will tell you New Plymouth drivers are the worst.

It all comes down to individual experiences.

Nah, I am pretty sure we all agree that Auckland drivers are the worst :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[pritch]

In NZ the current drive is to make it easier to get a license, in the name of equity and employability. Not too much mention of turning out better road users.



Ah yes. Any attempt to raise the age at which kids can get a licence or in any way make a licence more difficult to obtain will be met with strenuous objections from the farming community. Farmers have influence in Parliament and they tend to want their kids to be independently mobile as early as possible.

[sugilite]

Drivers from different regions seem to have different traits when it comes to pulling out in front of traffic when they should not be. Papakura stylez was just pullout and pretend you do not exist, no eye contact is to be made under any circumstances, where as palmy is pull out and swivel your head looking mystified as in "oh my, how did I get here, where did you come from?". Meh

[SaferRides]

Nah, I am pretty sure we all agree that Auckland drivers are the worst [emoji38][emoji38][emoji38][emoji38][emoji38]Is this your shortest ever post? [emoji23]

But honestly, it keeps getting worse. Today's effort was a motorbike passing a line of stationary vehicles at speed on a painted median approaching an intersection. He was lucky that I actually checked my mirrors before moving onto the median to turn right.

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[BMWST?]

Is this your shortest ever post? [emoji23]

But honestly, it keeps getting worse. Today's effort was a motorbike passing a line of stationary vehicles at speed on a painted median approaching an intersection. He was lucky that I actually checked my mirrors before moving onto the median to turn right.

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probably like many motorists he is probably not aware that the painted median is allowed to be used to make such a turn so assumd he was safe

[rastuscat]

Ah yes. Any attempt to raise the age at which kids can get a licence or in any way make a licence more difficult to obtain will be met with strenuous objections from the farming community. Farmers have influence in Parliament and they tend to want their kids to be independently mobile as early as possible.

Perhaps that community should encourage their kids to get a motorcycle licence. It's harder to get, but gives independence from Day 1.

[jellywrestler]

He was lucky that I actually checked my mirrors before moving onto the median to turn right.

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sounds like you're expecting a pat on the back for what you should be doing normally to me

[SaferRides]

sounds like you're expecting a pat on the back for what you should be doing normally to meNot at all, I was just relieved that it was a near miss and not an accident. I've had a car accident previously where a driver turned onto the painted median without checking if anyone else was using it.

Funny thing was both incidents happened on the same stretch of road.




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