A real statement

[Kb2020dope]

FAITH • FLAG • FAMILY

On Saturday, 21st June, we made a statement.

New Zealand is a nation founded on Christian values.

We stand united in rejecting ideologies that do not align with our beliefs.

It was moving to see the New Zealand flag proudly displayed across the country, reflecting a sense of unity and national pride.

The World Is Changing — Now Is the Time to Seek Truth

In uncertain times, with global tensions rising, many are searching for hope, direction, and peace.

We believe now is the time to turn back to God.

You're warmly invited to visit Destiny Church. No pressure, no obligations — just come as you are. Experience it for yourself before forming an opinion.

We welcome you with open hearts.

[TheDemonLord]

I can agree with lots.... right up until you mention God.

[R650R]

We are all God/Jesus, believe in yourself and your community for good things to happen, various religions are just a mechanism for that to happen.
I see the various forms of the bible as a messsge from past failed civilisations of how to live without repeating mistakes of past recorded in an interesting manner to get people to read it.
Kinda like a Lonely planet guide to earth but without hotel prices.
Your right the core values of our society are basically founded on Ten Commandments regardless of where anyone stands.

[pritch]

Follow this? He must enjoying.



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[jellywrestler]

I can agree with lots.... right up until you mention God.

so if you don't beleive in god who do you call out to when you have an orgasm?

[TheDemonLord]

so if you don't beleive in god who do you call out to when you have an orgasm?

Your Mum, obviously.

[Kb2020dope]

I can agree with lots.... right up until you mention God.

Well you know what! You must be one of the most bloody normal people on here!

It's a shame you feel that way about God. However I do understand religion has caused a lot of the issues currently going on in the world and everyone is entitled to their beliefs and opinions.

Cheers

[Kb2020dope]

Follow this? He must enjoying.



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Hi bud,

Please keep your homoerotic fantasies to yourself.

Thankyou

[jellywrestler]

Hi bud,

Please keep your homoerotic fantasies to yourself.

you're forcing your fantasies on others, fairs fair for a contra

[Laava]

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/545086/former-destiny-church-youth-leader-kiwa-hamiora-te-hira-jailed-for-six-years-for-sexually-abusing-boys
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/29684/destiny-pastor-quits-job-with-foster-group
https://www.auckland.ac.nz/en/news/2025/02/19/time-church-met-its-destiny.html
https://youtu.be/UODsmKxdsD4?si=-Jp0dtuW6NSAhC9x

Here's the reality of cults like this one run by Profit Tamaki

[jim.cox]

We believe now is the time to turn back to God. You're warmly invited to visit Destiny Church

Yeah, Nah

Threre's already more than enough bigotry and hatred in my life

Don't need yours, and that of your so-called church, as well

Fuck Off, Creep

[HenryDorsetCase]

Yeah, Nah

Threre's already more than enough bigotry and hatred in my life

Don't need yours, and that of your so-called church, as well

Fuck Off, Creep

There's no hate like christian love.

I typed out a long rant then deleted without posting. I really try not to engage with these fucktards because its a no win scenario.

If density church is so inclusive how about I bring my gay friend, our trans friend, the vegans and vegetarians and the poor to one of their enclaves?

[Berries]

On Saturday, 21st June, we made a statement.
I must have missed it. Was it on the news?

[Laava]

I must have missed it. Was it on the news?
It was about how Blenheim turned their backs on them. Not only that, they thought so little of them, they couldn't even be bothered giving them a browneye!😂😂😂

[TheDemonLord]

There's no hate like christian love.

Though we disagree on much - this has a massive kernel of truth to it.

CS Lewis (in one of my favourite quotes) said it best:


Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

[Kb2020dope]

you're forcing your fantasies on others, fairs fair for a contra

Hey bud,

We are not forcing anything. We are simply standing up for what we believe in and the values this beautiful country was built on.

[Kb2020dope]

Yeah, Nah

Threre's already more than enough bigotry and hatred in my life

Don't need yours, and that of your so-called church, as well

Fuck Off, Creep

Hey bud,

Im sorry to hear that. I hope you can find a way to get through the hatred and your problems.

A good first step could be coming to church on Sunday. If not I sincerely wish you all the best.

Thanks

[Kb2020dope]

There's no hate like christian love.

I typed out a long rant then deleted without posting. I really try not to engage with these fucktards because its a no win scenario.

If density church is so inclusive how about I bring my gay friend, our trans friend, the vegans and vegetarians and the poor to one of their enclaves?

Look champ,

We are clear and open about our beliefs, which are based on traditional Christian values.
Our church environment is intentionally structured around these values and may not align with the beliefs or lifestyles of the wider rainbow community.

Thank you for your understanding.

[Katman]

Look champ,

We are clear and open about our beliefs, which are based on traditional Christian values.
Our church environment is intentionally structured around these values and may not align with the beliefs or lifestyles of the wider rainbow community.

Thank you for your understanding.

So where did you guys stand on the requirement of holding a vaccine passport in order to attend your church?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Look champ,

We are clear and open about our beliefs, which are based on traditional Christian values.
Our church environment is intentionally structured around these values and may not align with the beliefs or lifestyles of the wider rainbow community.

Thank you for your understanding.

Are they the "traditional christian values" such as loving thy neighbour, being a good samaritan, removing the money lenders from the temple, that sort of thing?

Or more the murdering a bunch of kids because they laughed at a bald man? Or oppressing the womenfolk, treating them as property? Perhaps the hate for "others" - rainbow community, people equally deluded but just a different flavour of delusion?

I like your use of the word "champ". I am a champion. At rage bating hypocrites.

[Kb2020dope]

Are they the "traditional christian values" such as loving thy neighbour, being a good samaritan, removing the money lenders from the temple, that sort of thing?

Or more the murdering a bunch of kids because they laughed at a bald man? Or oppressing the womenfolk, treating them as property? Perhaps the hate for "others" - rainbow community, people equally deluded but just a different flavour of delusion?

I like your use of the word "champ". I am a champion. At rage bating hypocrites.

Look bud,

We do a lot of great work in the community. Hate us or love us you can not deny that we have helped thousands of kiwis out!

Here's a question for you. When was the last time you helped out a stranger in need? Or at least sat down and listened to their story?

What I want you to do is think of your answer, keep it to yourself and reflect. Ask yourself if you could do more for your community.

If your community happens to be the rainbow community then good on you and our church is not for your kind.

All the best.

[TheDemonLord]

Ask yourself if you could do more for your community.

I'm gonna bite on this.

Now - before I do, I want to add two bits of preface - firstly that most people *could* do more for their community (myself included), but secondly - I volunteer at a national youth organization and I sit on the fundraising committee for my local school. Not tooting my own horn - but just saying (as this may come as a shock to some people) - I am active in my local community.

When Christians do things for the Community - is it purely out of altruism? Or is there often an Ulterior Motive? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proselytism) To be fair to Christianity, I have seen them do a lot of good work in the Community. But if we are being fair, often there is a string attached:

"Oh yes, come and enjoy free daycare for your Children! We are just looking to support struggling parents! Just don't worry about the fact we use the time to preach to impressionable 4 year olds"

Or

"Yes, we can help you with your addiction, we have counselling services, group sessions etc. etc. But if you want to get better, you really need to accept Jesus into your heart"

So I ask you - for everything that you say you do in the community - how much of it has been purely out of genuine Christian Love for your fellow Man and how much has it been using a situation where someone is extremely vulnerable in order to push a particular message?

I will grant you that the former is not 0%, that some is done out of genuine kindness. In return, however, you must agree that the latter is not zero either.

FWIW I spent my entire youth around Christianity and Churches and congregations. Most people went because it was Habitual, there were some recent converts, some I suspect (in hindsight) were on a spectrum of one or another and it was one of the few places where it was easy for them to fit in, most were not bad people. But the ones that I consider to demonstrate true, genuine Christian Love (of the type that is shown in the more favourable parts of the Bible) - in nearly 2 decades, I can remember just enough to count on both hands.

That includes multiple countries, multiple congregations, multiple denominations etc.

Therefore when you raise 'How much good you have done' - You will forgive me if I scoff a little.

As for myself? Well, Ironically, I disagree with some of the positions of the Organization I volunteer with, quite substantially so. However, when I put my uniform on and am a Leader - what my opinions are on a given subject are irrelevant. I am there to teach and lead. Very occassionally I will ask pointed questions on a topic: partly to show that for some issues there are different view points - but mostly so that the youth I lead are able to better form their opinions by coming up with rebuttals.

I say this to say that to highlight the difference - When I volunteer to help, I do so at the expense of my own ideals, rather than from a position to try and further them.

[jellywrestler]

If density church is so inclusive how about I bring my gay friend, our trans friend, the vegans and vegetarians and the poor to one of their enclaves?

do they have enough parking for all those Spyders outside?

[R650R]

Is there anywhere in world without religion that is doing fine for itself???

[sugilite]

Hey bud,

We are not forcing anything. We are simply standing up for what we believe in and the values this beautiful country was built on.
I would view an angry mob descending on a library, then going on to break their way into a room where people were trying to get away from the violence is the living embodiment of the term "forceful".

https://media.rnztools.nz/rnz/image/upload/s--FgUCvDG6--/ar_16:10,c_fill,f_auto,g_auto,q_auto,w_1050/v1739605284/4KBXHHV_Screenshot_2025_02_15_at_8_37_01_PM_png?_a =BACCd2AD
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/542159/destiny-church-library-protest-intimidating-and-unacceptable-police
"The event on Saturday was part of Auckland's pride festival, but was cancelled after about 50 protesters pushed their way into Te Atatū library and refused to leave.

About 30 adults and young children were forced to lock themselves in a room. The family event featured a Drag King talking to the kids about the science of rainbows."

Kb2020dope - It is very hard to imagine Jesus taking this approach.
Which Christian words and values are more important to you - Jesus, or Brians?


I'm gonna bite on this.
A superb post, thank you for sharing.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Is there anywhere in world without religion that is doing fine for itself???

Irrelevant.

Is there anywhere where is is rife that is doing "well".

Clearly not. Ergo, it is bad.

My stated position is that professing religious belief is a signifier of mental illness sufficient to disqualify the "professor" from public office, from receiving any form of public money for any purpose, from receiving a licence to procreate, from buying houses (particularly near mine), from bothering sensible people with their bullshit. Stamp that shit out in this generation.

[Katman]

My stated position is that professing religious belief is a signifier of mental illness sufficient to disqualify the "professor" from public office, from receiving any form of public money for any purpose, from receiving a licence to procreate, from buying houses (particularly near mine), from bothering sensible people with their bullshit. Stamp that shit out in this generation.

For a lawyer you come across as incredibly mentally unbalanced.

[Kickaha]

Irrelevant.
Stamp that shit out in this generation.

Bender had the right idea

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[R650R]

Irrelevant.

Is there anywhere where is is rife that is doing "well".

Clearly not. Ergo, it is bad.

My stated position is that professing religious belief is a signifier of mental illness sufficient to disqualify the "professor" from public office, from receiving any form of public money for any purpose, from receiving a licence to procreate, from buying houses (particularly near mine), from bothering sensible people with their bullshit. Stamp that shit out in this generation.

Isaac Newton: A foundational figure in physics and calculus, deeply religious and believed his scientific work illuminated God's creation.
Galileo Galilei: An astronomer and physicist who, despite conflicts with the Church, remained devout and saw science as revealing God's work.
Johannes Kepler: An astronomer known for his laws of planetary motion, who also held strong religious convictions.
Blaise Pascal: A mathematician and physicist who developed Pascal's principle and made significant contributions to probability theory, while also being a devout Christian philosopher.
Michael Faraday: A chemist and physicist credited with the discovery of electromagnetic induction, who believed in the order of God's creation.
Francis Collins: A former Director of the National Institutes of Health, a geneticist, and a devout Christian.
John Polkinghorne: A theoretical physicist and priest who became a leading voice in science and religion.

[R650R]

Statistical analysis of Nobel prizes awarded between 1901 and 2000 reveals that 65.4% of Nobel laureates were Christians, over 20% were Jewish, and 10.5% were atheists, agnostics, or freethinkers.[10] According to a study that was done by University of Nebraska–Lincoln in 1998, 60% of Nobel prize laureates in physics from 1901 to 1990 had a Christian background.[11] Since 1901–2013, 22% of all Nobel prizes have been awarded to Jews.[12]

[pete376403]

Hey bud,

We are not forcing anything. We are simply standing up for what we believe in and the values this beautiful country was built on.

Did you believe that before destiny or only since brian convinced you that was what you believe in?

[pritch]

"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." - Mahatma Gandhi

[bad'rule]

Hey bud,

Im sorry to hear that. I hope you can find a way to get through the hatred and your problems.

A good first step could be coming to church on Sunday. If not I sincerely wish you all the best.

Thanks

Sent from my RMX1911 using Tapatalk

[Kb2020dope]

I'm gonna bite on this.

Now - before I do, I want to add two bits of preface - firstly that most people *could* do more for their community (myself included), but secondly - I volunteer at a national youth organization and I sit on the fundraising committee for my local school. Not tooting my own horn - but just saying (as this may come as a shock to some people) - I am active in my local community.

When Christians do things for the Community - is it purely out of altruism? Or is there often an Ulterior Motive? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proselytism) To be fair to Christianity, I have seen them do a lot of good work in the Community. But if we are being fair, often there is a string attached:

"Oh yes, come and enjoy free daycare for your Children! We are just looking to support struggling parents! Just don't worry about the fact we use the time to preach to impressionable 4 year olds"

Or

"Yes, we can help you with your addiction, we have counselling services, group sessions etc. etc. But if you want to get better, you really need to accept Jesus into your heart"

So I ask you - for everything that you say you do in the community - how much of it has been purely out of genuine Christian Love for your fellow Man and how much has it been using a situation where someone is extremely vulnerable in order to push a particular message?

I will grant you that the former is not 0%, that some is done out of genuine kindness. In return, however, you must agree that the latter is not zero either.

FWIW I spent my entire youth around Christianity and Churches and congregations. Most people went because it was Habitual, there were some recent converts, some I suspect (in hindsight) were on a spectrum of one or another and it was one of the few places where it was easy for them to fit in, most were not bad people. But the ones that I consider to demonstrate true, genuine Christian Love (of the type that is shown in the more favourable parts of the Bible) - in nearly 2 decades, I can remember just enough to count on both hands.

That includes multiple countries, multiple congregations, multiple denominations etc.

Therefore when you raise 'How much good you have done' - You will forgive me if I scoff a little.

As for myself? Well, Ironically, I disagree with some of the positions of the Organization I volunteer with, quite substantially so. However, when I put my uniform on and am a Leader - what my opinions are on a given subject are irrelevant. I am there to teach and lead. Very occassionally I will ask pointed questions on a topic: partly to show that for some issues there are different view points - but mostly so that the youth I lead are able to better form their opinions by coming up with rebuttals.

I say this to say that to highlight the difference - When I volunteer to help, I do so at the expense of my own ideals, rather than from a position to try and further them.


First of all, well done. The world needs more thoughtful individuals like yourself.

I canÂ’t speak on behalf of every Christian or church organisation, but I will say this: there are good Christians, bad Christians, misguided ones, and unfortunately, some who are driven by greed. That said, I genuinely believe the majority are well-meaning and kind-hearted. I also believe Brian and Destiny Church fall into that category.

I lead a simple life, I go to work, pay my taxes, attend church, and maintain a personal relationship with God. IÂ’m not heavily involved in the services the church offers, so I can't speak in detail about those.

In my own time, I try to give back to the community by connecting with the homeless, helping them write CVs, find courses, and secure employment through the network I have in my line of work.

YouÂ’ve raised some fair points. It's refreshing to come across someone willing to think for themselves rather than blindly accepting everything reported by mainstream media outlets like RNZ.

Thanks

[Kb2020dope]

Did you believe that before destiny or only since brian convinced you that was what you believe in?

Hi Peter,

I believed this well before I was a part of Destiny. However it really did hit home how woke this world had become over the covid years.

Thanks

[Kb2020dope]

I would view an angry mob descending on a library, then going on to break their way into a room where people were trying to get away from the violence is the living embodiment of the term "forceful".

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/542159/destiny-church-library-protest-intimidating-and-unacceptable-police
"The event on Saturday was part of Auckland's pride festival, but was cancelled after about 50 protesters pushed their way into Te Atatū library and refused to leave.

About 30 adults and young children were forced to lock themselves in a room. The family event featured a Drag King talking to the kids about the science of rainbows."

Kb2020dope - It is very hard to imagine Jesus taking this approach.
Which Christian words and values are more important to you - Jesus, or Brians?


A superb post, thank you for sharing.

Mate,

I genuinely feel for you. It’s unfortunate that so many people take everything the mainstream media reports at face value, without questioning or seeking context.

Let me put it simply: there are always two sides to every story.

In this case, the media is portraying the situation as a group of "dangerous Māori and Pacific Island men" forcefully entering a library filled with children. But what’s really happening in that image is something quite different.

What you're seeing is a group of fathers, uncles, grandfathers, and other concerned community members standing up to protect children. They are responding to an inappropriate situation. A man, presenting as a woman and struggling with mental health issues, attempting to share ideological beliefs with young children.

If you believe it’s appropriate to teach young children about sex and to promote the idea that it’s normal for boys to dress as girls and girls as boys then you are part of the problem.

Give yourself an upper cut, pull your bloody head in and man up!

[pritch]

What you're seeing is a group of fathers, uncles, grandfathers, and other concerned community members standing up to protect children. They are responding to an inappropriate situation. A man, presenting as a woman and struggling with mental health issues, attempting to share ideological beliefs with young children.




LOL. Thanks but I'll stick with the MSM if that's the alternative.

[sugilite]

Mate,

I genuinely feel for you. It’s unfortunate that so many people take everything the mainstream media reports at face value, without questioning or seeking context.
There is no need to feel sorry for me mate. What part of the article do you maintain is inaccurate and or fails to add context?


Let me put it simply: there are always two sides to every story.
Agreed, there always is.


In this case, the media is portraying the situation as a group of "dangerous Māori and Pacific Island men" forcefully entering a library filled with children. But what’s really happening in that image is something quite different.
Nowhere in that article does it mention race of any kind. Search your heart, why did you feel the need to introduce this dishonest misdirection into your post?



What you're seeing is a group of fathers, uncles, grandfathers, and other concerned community members standing up to protect children. They are responding to an inappropriate situation. A man, presenting as a woman and struggling with mental health issues, attempting to share ideological beliefs with young children.
OK, quite a lot to unpack here - What do you think was more traumatic and harmful to the children attending the event. A man dressed as a woman explaining the science of rainbows, or a large group of men, some wearing patches, yelling screaming and physically jostling with people, then the same mob breaking into a room where the children were trying to escape what to them would of been an incredibly scary situation? Can you please point to a story in the bible where Jesus took a similar course of action?


If you believe it’s appropriate to teach young children about sex and to promote the idea that it’s normal for boys to dress as girls and girls as boys then you are part of the problem.
Unfortunately, due to children having such easy access to pornography, I do feel kids need at least a modicum of education earlier than in the past. Trans have always existed, so to a degree, it is normal, no matter how much you may personally disagree with their lifestyle. I find no problem with one explaining the science of a rainbow. However, I do not feel they have a right to meter out sex education to children either.


Give yourself an upper cut, pull your bloody head in and man up!
So because I do not agree with your particular brand of ideology, you wish me to self harm myself, quit verbalizing my opinion, and only by following your predetermined path can I possibly hope to become a man? Interesting.

Something else I find curious - all these Destiny Church "Man Up" types only seem to gang up on trans - apparently all in the name of "child safety". So how come we have not seen Destiny Church organize events against other churches like the Roman Catholic church that have demonstrably hurt thousands upon thousands of children through pedophilia and so on?

Also curious, you missed responding to the most important question I asked you in my post.
"Which Christian words and values are more important to you - Jesus, or Brians?" Because from where I stand, Brians take on Christianity seems to remove a bunch of Christs teachings in order to allow the "man up" division of destiny church act akin a paramilitary arm.

[jellywrestler]

and to promote the idea that it’s normal for boys to dress as girls and girls as boys then you are part of the problem.

there's quite a few islanders in your gang, how to they hide the beatings they give to their own Faʻafafine's?