A real statement

[Kb2020dope]

FAITH • FLAG • FAMILY

On Saturday, 21st June, we made a statement.

New Zealand is a nation founded on Christian values.

We stand united in rejecting ideologies that do not align with our beliefs.

It was moving to see the New Zealand flag proudly displayed across the country, reflecting a sense of unity and national pride.

The World Is Changing — Now Is the Time to Seek Truth

In uncertain times, with global tensions rising, many are searching for hope, direction, and peace.

We believe now is the time to turn back to God.

You're warmly invited to visit Destiny Church. No pressure, no obligations — just come as you are. Experience it for yourself before forming an opinion.

We welcome you with open hearts.

[TheDemonLord]

I can agree with lots.... right up until you mention God.

[R650R]

We are all God/Jesus, believe in yourself and your community for good things to happen, various religions are just a mechanism for that to happen.
I see the various forms of the bible as a messsge from past failed civilisations of how to live without repeating mistakes of past recorded in an interesting manner to get people to read it.
Kinda like a Lonely planet guide to earth but without hotel prices.
Your right the core values of our society are basically founded on Ten Commandments regardless of where anyone stands.

[pritch]

Follow this? He must enjoying.



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[jellywrestler]

I can agree with lots.... right up until you mention God.

so if you don't beleive in god who do you call out to when you have an orgasm?

[TheDemonLord]

so if you don't beleive in god who do you call out to when you have an orgasm?

Your Mum, obviously.

[Kb2020dope]

I can agree with lots.... right up until you mention God.

Well you know what! You must be one of the most bloody normal people on here!

It's a shame you feel that way about God. However I do understand religion has caused a lot of the issues currently going on in the world and everyone is entitled to their beliefs and opinions.

Cheers

[Kb2020dope]

Follow this? He must enjoying.



356368

Hi bud,

Please keep your homoerotic fantasies to yourself.

Thankyou

[jellywrestler]

Hi bud,

Please keep your homoerotic fantasies to yourself.

you're forcing your fantasies on others, fairs fair for a contra

[Laava]

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/545086/former-destiny-church-youth-leader-kiwa-hamiora-te-hira-jailed-for-six-years-for-sexually-abusing-boys
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/29684/destiny-pastor-quits-job-with-foster-group
https://www.auckland.ac.nz/en/news/2025/02/19/time-church-met-its-destiny.html
https://youtu.be/UODsmKxdsD4?si=-Jp0dtuW6NSAhC9x

Here's the reality of cults like this one run by Profit Tamaki

[jim.cox]

We believe now is the time to turn back to God. You're warmly invited to visit Destiny Church

Yeah, Nah

Threre's already more than enough bigotry and hatred in my life

Don't need yours, and that of your so-called church, as well

Fuck Off, Creep

[HenryDorsetCase]

Yeah, Nah

Threre's already more than enough bigotry and hatred in my life

Don't need yours, and that of your so-called church, as well

Fuck Off, Creep

There's no hate like christian love.

I typed out a long rant then deleted without posting. I really try not to engage with these fucktards because its a no win scenario.

If density church is so inclusive how about I bring my gay friend, our trans friend, the vegans and vegetarians and the poor to one of their enclaves?

[Berries]

On Saturday, 21st June, we made a statement.
I must have missed it. Was it on the news?

[Laava]

I must have missed it. Was it on the news?
It was about how Blenheim turned their backs on them. Not only that, they thought so little of them, they couldn't even be bothered giving them a browneye!😂😂😂

[TheDemonLord]

There's no hate like christian love.

Though we disagree on much - this has a massive kernel of truth to it.

CS Lewis (in one of my favourite quotes) said it best:


Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

[Kb2020dope]

you're forcing your fantasies on others, fairs fair for a contra

Hey bud,

We are not forcing anything. We are simply standing up for what we believe in and the values this beautiful country was built on.

[Kb2020dope]

Yeah, Nah

Threre's already more than enough bigotry and hatred in my life

Don't need yours, and that of your so-called church, as well

Fuck Off, Creep

Hey bud,

Im sorry to hear that. I hope you can find a way to get through the hatred and your problems.

A good first step could be coming to church on Sunday. If not I sincerely wish you all the best.

Thanks

[Kb2020dope]

There's no hate like christian love.

I typed out a long rant then deleted without posting. I really try not to engage with these fucktards because its a no win scenario.

If density church is so inclusive how about I bring my gay friend, our trans friend, the vegans and vegetarians and the poor to one of their enclaves?

Look champ,

We are clear and open about our beliefs, which are based on traditional Christian values.
Our church environment is intentionally structured around these values and may not align with the beliefs or lifestyles of the wider rainbow community.

Thank you for your understanding.

[Katman]

Look champ,

We are clear and open about our beliefs, which are based on traditional Christian values.
Our church environment is intentionally structured around these values and may not align with the beliefs or lifestyles of the wider rainbow community.

Thank you for your understanding.

So where did you guys stand on the requirement of holding a vaccine passport in order to attend your church?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Look champ,

We are clear and open about our beliefs, which are based on traditional Christian values.
Our church environment is intentionally structured around these values and may not align with the beliefs or lifestyles of the wider rainbow community.

Thank you for your understanding.

Are they the "traditional christian values" such as loving thy neighbour, being a good samaritan, removing the money lenders from the temple, that sort of thing?

Or more the murdering a bunch of kids because they laughed at a bald man? Or oppressing the womenfolk, treating them as property? Perhaps the hate for "others" - rainbow community, people equally deluded but just a different flavour of delusion?

I like your use of the word "champ". I am a champion. At rage bating hypocrites.

[Kb2020dope]

Are they the "traditional christian values" such as loving thy neighbour, being a good samaritan, removing the money lenders from the temple, that sort of thing?

Or more the murdering a bunch of kids because they laughed at a bald man? Or oppressing the womenfolk, treating them as property? Perhaps the hate for "others" - rainbow community, people equally deluded but just a different flavour of delusion?

I like your use of the word "champ". I am a champion. At rage bating hypocrites.

Look bud,

We do a lot of great work in the community. Hate us or love us you can not deny that we have helped thousands of kiwis out!

Here's a question for you. When was the last time you helped out a stranger in need? Or at least sat down and listened to their story?

What I want you to do is think of your answer, keep it to yourself and reflect. Ask yourself if you could do more for your community.

If your community happens to be the rainbow community then good on you and our church is not for your kind.

All the best.

[TheDemonLord]

Ask yourself if you could do more for your community.

I'm gonna bite on this.

Now - before I do, I want to add two bits of preface - firstly that most people *could* do more for their community (myself included), but secondly - I volunteer at a national youth organization and I sit on the fundraising committee for my local school. Not tooting my own horn - but just saying (as this may come as a shock to some people) - I am active in my local community.

When Christians do things for the Community - is it purely out of altruism? Or is there often an Ulterior Motive? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proselytism) To be fair to Christianity, I have seen them do a lot of good work in the Community. But if we are being fair, often there is a string attached:

"Oh yes, come and enjoy free daycare for your Children! We are just looking to support struggling parents! Just don't worry about the fact we use the time to preach to impressionable 4 year olds"

Or

"Yes, we can help you with your addiction, we have counselling services, group sessions etc. etc. But if you want to get better, you really need to accept Jesus into your heart"

So I ask you - for everything that you say you do in the community - how much of it has been purely out of genuine Christian Love for your fellow Man and how much has it been using a situation where someone is extremely vulnerable in order to push a particular message?

I will grant you that the former is not 0%, that some is done out of genuine kindness. In return, however, you must agree that the latter is not zero either.

FWIW I spent my entire youth around Christianity and Churches and congregations. Most people went because it was Habitual, there were some recent converts, some I suspect (in hindsight) were on a spectrum of one or another and it was one of the few places where it was easy for them to fit in, most were not bad people. But the ones that I consider to demonstrate true, genuine Christian Love (of the type that is shown in the more favourable parts of the Bible) - in nearly 2 decades, I can remember just enough to count on both hands.

That includes multiple countries, multiple congregations, multiple denominations etc.

Therefore when you raise 'How much good you have done' - You will forgive me if I scoff a little.

As for myself? Well, Ironically, I disagree with some of the positions of the Organization I volunteer with, quite substantially so. However, when I put my uniform on and am a Leader - what my opinions are on a given subject are irrelevant. I am there to teach and lead. Very occassionally I will ask pointed questions on a topic: partly to show that for some issues there are different view points - but mostly so that the youth I lead are able to better form their opinions by coming up with rebuttals.

I say this to say that to highlight the difference - When I volunteer to help, I do so at the expense of my own ideals, rather than from a position to try and further them.

[jellywrestler]

If density church is so inclusive how about I bring my gay friend, our trans friend, the vegans and vegetarians and the poor to one of their enclaves?

do they have enough parking for all those Spyders outside?

[R650R]

Is there anywhere in world without religion that is doing fine for itself???

[sugilite]

Hey bud,

We are not forcing anything. We are simply standing up for what we believe in and the values this beautiful country was built on.
I would view an angry mob descending on a library, then going on to break their way into a room where people were trying to get away from the violence is the living embodiment of the term "forceful".

https://media.rnztools.nz/rnz/image/upload/s--FgUCvDG6--/ar_16:10,c_fill,f_auto,g_auto,q_auto,w_1050/v1739605284/4KBXHHV_Screenshot_2025_02_15_at_8_37_01_PM_png?_a =BACCd2AD
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/542159/destiny-church-library-protest-intimidating-and-unacceptable-police
"The event on Saturday was part of Auckland's pride festival, but was cancelled after about 50 protesters pushed their way into Te Atatū library and refused to leave.

About 30 adults and young children were forced to lock themselves in a room. The family event featured a Drag King talking to the kids about the science of rainbows."

Kb2020dope - It is very hard to imagine Jesus taking this approach.
Which Christian words and values are more important to you - Jesus, or Brians?


I'm gonna bite on this.
A superb post, thank you for sharing.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Is there anywhere in world without religion that is doing fine for itself???

Irrelevant.

Is there anywhere where is is rife that is doing "well".

Clearly not. Ergo, it is bad.

My stated position is that professing religious belief is a signifier of mental illness sufficient to disqualify the "professor" from public office, from receiving any form of public money for any purpose, from receiving a licence to procreate, from buying houses (particularly near mine), from bothering sensible people with their bullshit. Stamp that shit out in this generation.

[Katman]

My stated position is that professing religious belief is a signifier of mental illness sufficient to disqualify the "professor" from public office, from receiving any form of public money for any purpose, from receiving a licence to procreate, from buying houses (particularly near mine), from bothering sensible people with their bullshit. Stamp that shit out in this generation.

For a lawyer you come across as incredibly mentally unbalanced.

[Kickaha]

Irrelevant.
Stamp that shit out in this generation.

Bender had the right idea

356376

[R650R]

Irrelevant.

Is there anywhere where is is rife that is doing "well".

Clearly not. Ergo, it is bad.

My stated position is that professing religious belief is a signifier of mental illness sufficient to disqualify the "professor" from public office, from receiving any form of public money for any purpose, from receiving a licence to procreate, from buying houses (particularly near mine), from bothering sensible people with their bullshit. Stamp that shit out in this generation.

Isaac Newton: A foundational figure in physics and calculus, deeply religious and believed his scientific work illuminated God's creation.
Galileo Galilei: An astronomer and physicist who, despite conflicts with the Church, remained devout and saw science as revealing God's work.
Johannes Kepler: An astronomer known for his laws of planetary motion, who also held strong religious convictions.
Blaise Pascal: A mathematician and physicist who developed Pascal's principle and made significant contributions to probability theory, while also being a devout Christian philosopher.
Michael Faraday: A chemist and physicist credited with the discovery of electromagnetic induction, who believed in the order of God's creation.
Francis Collins: A former Director of the National Institutes of Health, a geneticist, and a devout Christian.
John Polkinghorne: A theoretical physicist and priest who became a leading voice in science and religion.

[R650R]

Statistical analysis of Nobel prizes awarded between 1901 and 2000 reveals that 65.4% of Nobel laureates were Christians, over 20% were Jewish, and 10.5% were atheists, agnostics, or freethinkers.[10] According to a study that was done by University of Nebraska–Lincoln in 1998, 60% of Nobel prize laureates in physics from 1901 to 1990 had a Christian background.[11] Since 1901–2013, 22% of all Nobel prizes have been awarded to Jews.[12]

[pete376403]

Hey bud,

We are not forcing anything. We are simply standing up for what we believe in and the values this beautiful country was built on.

Did you believe that before destiny or only since brian convinced you that was what you believe in?

[pritch]

"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." - Mahatma Gandhi

[bad'rule]

Sorry deleted

[Kb2020dope]

I'm gonna bite on this.

Now - before I do, I want to add two bits of preface - firstly that most people *could* do more for their community (myself included), but secondly - I volunteer at a national youth organization and I sit on the fundraising committee for my local school. Not tooting my own horn - but just saying (as this may come as a shock to some people) - I am active in my local community.

When Christians do things for the Community - is it purely out of altruism? Or is there often an Ulterior Motive? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proselytism) To be fair to Christianity, I have seen them do a lot of good work in the Community. But if we are being fair, often there is a string attached:

"Oh yes, come and enjoy free daycare for your Children! We are just looking to support struggling parents! Just don't worry about the fact we use the time to preach to impressionable 4 year olds"

Or

"Yes, we can help you with your addiction, we have counselling services, group sessions etc. etc. But if you want to get better, you really need to accept Jesus into your heart"

So I ask you - for everything that you say you do in the community - how much of it has been purely out of genuine Christian Love for your fellow Man and how much has it been using a situation where someone is extremely vulnerable in order to push a particular message?

I will grant you that the former is not 0%, that some is done out of genuine kindness. In return, however, you must agree that the latter is not zero either.

FWIW I spent my entire youth around Christianity and Churches and congregations. Most people went because it was Habitual, there were some recent converts, some I suspect (in hindsight) were on a spectrum of one or another and it was one of the few places where it was easy for them to fit in, most were not bad people. But the ones that I consider to demonstrate true, genuine Christian Love (of the type that is shown in the more favourable parts of the Bible) - in nearly 2 decades, I can remember just enough to count on both hands.

That includes multiple countries, multiple congregations, multiple denominations etc.

Therefore when you raise 'How much good you have done' - You will forgive me if I scoff a little.

As for myself? Well, Ironically, I disagree with some of the positions of the Organization I volunteer with, quite substantially so. However, when I put my uniform on and am a Leader - what my opinions are on a given subject are irrelevant. I am there to teach and lead. Very occassionally I will ask pointed questions on a topic: partly to show that for some issues there are different view points - but mostly so that the youth I lead are able to better form their opinions by coming up with rebuttals.

I say this to say that to highlight the difference - When I volunteer to help, I do so at the expense of my own ideals, rather than from a position to try and further them.


First of all, well done. The world needs more thoughtful individuals like yourself.

I canÂ’t speak on behalf of every Christian or church organisation, but I will say this: there are good Christians, bad Christians, misguided ones, and unfortunately, some who are driven by greed. That said, I genuinely believe the majority are well-meaning and kind-hearted. I also believe Brian and Destiny Church fall into that category.

I lead a simple life, I go to work, pay my taxes, attend church, and maintain a personal relationship with God. IÂ’m not heavily involved in the services the church offers, so I can't speak in detail about those.

In my own time, I try to give back to the community by connecting with the homeless, helping them write CVs, find courses, and secure employment through the network I have in my line of work.

YouÂ’ve raised some fair points. It's refreshing to come across someone willing to think for themselves rather than blindly accepting everything reported by mainstream media outlets like RNZ.

Thanks

[Kb2020dope]

Did you believe that before destiny or only since brian convinced you that was what you believe in?

Hi Peter,

I believed this well before I was a part of Destiny. However it really did hit home how woke this world had become over the covid years.

Thanks

[Kb2020dope]

I would view an angry mob descending on a library, then going on to break their way into a room where people were trying to get away from the violence is the living embodiment of the term "forceful".

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/542159/destiny-church-library-protest-intimidating-and-unacceptable-police
"The event on Saturday was part of Auckland's pride festival, but was cancelled after about 50 protesters pushed their way into Te Atatū library and refused to leave.

About 30 adults and young children were forced to lock themselves in a room. The family event featured a Drag King talking to the kids about the science of rainbows."

Kb2020dope - It is very hard to imagine Jesus taking this approach.
Which Christian words and values are more important to you - Jesus, or Brians?


A superb post, thank you for sharing.

Mate,

I genuinely feel for you. It’s unfortunate that so many people take everything the mainstream media reports at face value, without questioning or seeking context.

Let me put it simply: there are always two sides to every story.

In this case, the media is portraying the situation as a group of "dangerous Māori and Pacific Island men" forcefully entering a library filled with children. But what’s really happening in that image is something quite different.

What you're seeing is a group of fathers, uncles, grandfathers, and other concerned community members standing up to protect children. They are responding to an inappropriate situation. A man, presenting as a woman and struggling with mental health issues, attempting to share ideological beliefs with young children.

If you believe it’s appropriate to teach young children about sex and to promote the idea that it’s normal for boys to dress as girls and girls as boys then you are part of the problem.

Give yourself an upper cut, pull your bloody head in and man up!

[pritch]

What you're seeing is a group of fathers, uncles, grandfathers, and other concerned community members standing up to protect children. They are responding to an inappropriate situation. A man, presenting as a woman and struggling with mental health issues, attempting to share ideological beliefs with young children.




LOL. Thanks but I'll stick with the MSM if that's the alternative.

[sugilite]

Mate,

I genuinely feel for you. It’s unfortunate that so many people take everything the mainstream media reports at face value, without questioning or seeking context.
There is no need to feel sorry for me mate. What part of the article do you maintain is inaccurate and or fails to add context?


Let me put it simply: there are always two sides to every story.
Agreed, there always is.


In this case, the media is portraying the situation as a group of "dangerous Māori and Pacific Island men" forcefully entering a library filled with children. But what’s really happening in that image is something quite different.
Nowhere in that article does it mention race of any kind. Search your heart, why did you feel the need to introduce this dishonest misdirection into your post?



What you're seeing is a group of fathers, uncles, grandfathers, and other concerned community members standing up to protect children. They are responding to an inappropriate situation. A man, presenting as a woman and struggling with mental health issues, attempting to share ideological beliefs with young children.
OK, quite a lot to unpack here - What do you think was more traumatic and harmful to the children attending the event. A man dressed as a woman explaining the science of rainbows, or a large group of men, some wearing patches, yelling screaming and physically jostling with people, then the same mob breaking into a room where the children were trying to escape what to them would of been an incredibly scary situation? Can you please point to a story in the bible where Jesus took a similar course of action?


If you believe it’s appropriate to teach young children about sex and to promote the idea that it’s normal for boys to dress as girls and girls as boys then you are part of the problem.
Unfortunately, due to children having such easy access to pornography, I do feel kids need at least a modicum of education earlier than in the past. Trans have always existed, so to a degree, it is normal, no matter how much you may personally disagree with their lifestyle. I find no problem with one explaining the science of a rainbow. However, I do not feel they have a right to meter out sex education to children either.


Give yourself an upper cut, pull your bloody head in and man up!
So because I do not agree with your particular brand of ideology, you wish me to self harm myself, quit verbalizing my opinion, and only by following your predetermined path can I possibly hope to become a man? Interesting.

Something else I find curious - all these Destiny Church "Man Up" types only seem to gang up on trans - apparently all in the name of "child safety". So how come we have not seen Destiny Church organize events against other churches like the Roman Catholic church that have demonstrably hurt thousands upon thousands of children through pedophilia and so on?

Also curious, you missed responding to the most important question I asked you in my post.
"Which Christian words and values are more important to you - Jesus, or Brians?" Because from where I stand, Brians take on Christianity seems to remove a bunch of Christs teachings in order to allow the "man up" division of destiny church act akin a paramilitary arm.

[jellywrestler]

and to promote the idea that it’s normal for boys to dress as girls and girls as boys then you are part of the problem.

there's quite a few islanders in your gang, how to they hide the beatings they give to their own Faʻafafine's?

[Kb2020dope]

There is no need to feel sorry for me mate. What part of the article do you maintain is inaccurate and or fails to add context?


Agreed, there always is.


Nowhere in that article does it mention race of any kind. Search your heart, why did you feel the need to introduce this dishonest misdirection into your post?



OK, quite a lot to unpack here - What do you think was more traumatic and harmful to the children attending the event. A man dressed as a woman explaining the science of rainbows, or a large group of men, some wearing patches, yelling screaming and physically jostling with people, then the same mob breaking into a room where the children were trying to escape what to them would of been an incredibly scary situation? Can you please point to a story in the bible where Jesus took a similar course of action?


Unfortunately, due to children having such easy access to pornography, I do feel kids need at least a modicum of education earlier than in the past. Trans have always existed, so to a degree, it is normal, no matter how much you may personally disagree with their lifestyle. I find no problem with one explaining the science of a rainbow. However, I do not feel they have a right to meter out sex education to children either.


So because I do not agree with your particular brand of ideology, you wish me to self harm myself, quit verbalizing my opinion, and only by following your predetermined path can I possibly hope to become a man? Interesting.

Something else I find curious - all these Destiny Church "Man Up" types only seem to gang up on trans - apparently all in the name of "child safety". So how come we have not seen Destiny Church organize events against other churches like the Roman Catholic church that have demonstrably hurt thousands upon thousands of children through pedophilia and so on?

Also curious, you missed responding to the most important question I asked you in my post.
"Which Christian words and values are more important to you - Jesus, or Brians?" Because from where I stand, Brians take on Christianity seems to remove a bunch of Christs teachings in order to allow the "man up" division of destiny church act akin a paramilitary arm.

Interesting points. Let agree to disagree.

[sugilite]

Interesting points. Let agree to disagree.

What parts do you disagree with?
Are you saying that going in there and intimidating the parents and small children is the done thing?
Are you also saying that guys that wear dresses and read books to children are worse than priests that sexually abuse children?? What made you pick on the guys in dresses to rough up as against priests that abuse kids? Do you view trans guys as just being softer targets that are less likely to hit back or what?

[Katman]

A man dressed as a woman explaining the science of rainbows.....

:killingme

Just a science lesson, was it?

[sugilite]

:killingme

Just a science lesson, was it?

Yes, that was what was reported.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/542159/destiny-church-library-protest-intimidating-and-unacceptable-police

About 30 adults and young children were forced to lock themselves in a room. The family event featured a Drag King talking to the kids about the science of rainbows.

You see, the trans community uses a rainbow as its symbol, hence the talk on the science behind a rainbow. mind blowing huh. It looks like you could of benefited from attending the event to gain a learning moment along with the other children.

[Katman]

You see, the trans community uses a rainbow as its symbol, hence the talk on the science behind a rainbow.

Well, I suppose they'd be fucking useless giving a biology lesson

[sugilite]

Well, I suppose they'd be fucking useless giving a biology lesson

Why would that be?

[Kb2020dope]

What parts do you disagree with?
Are you saying that going in there and intimidating the parents and small children is the done thing?
Are you also saying that guys that wear dresses and read books to children are worse than priests that sexually abuse children?? What made you pick on the guys in dresses to rough up as against priests that abuse kids? Do you view trans guys as just being softer targets that are less likely to hit back or what?


No problem, brother.

We acted appropriately and with integrity.

We believe that certain ideologies—such as encouraging young children to embrace gender confusion—should not be imposed on them.

While we acknowledge that churches naturally pass on values and beliefs to the next generation, we stand by the fact that ours are grounded in principles we consider to be pure and constructive.

This is part of our broader stand against what we see as a harmful cultural shift. We do not support individuals who falsely claim religious authority while engaging in unethical behavior.

If there is pushback, we are prepared to stand firm in our convictions.

Thankyou

[pritch]

We do not support individuals who falsely claim religious authority while engaging in unethical behavior.


Hmmm interesting.

[Laava]

Hmmm interesting.
Hahahahahahahahaha!😂😂😂😂😂

[pete376403]

[QUOTE=Kb2020dope;1131238705 We do not support individuals who falsely claim religious authority while engaging in unethical behavior. [/QUOTE]

Does brian know this?

[sugilite]

No problem, brother.

We acted appropriately and with integrity.

Well, except for the making the children cry thing through your thuggish actions. Interesting you confirm you were there to terrify the children in person.



If there is pushback, we are prepared to stand firm in our convictions.

Thankyou

Look at the words of a founding member of the thug up, opps I mean man up group. He takes a big pooh on your notions of integrity.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2025/09/13/destiny-church-get-out-warns-founding-member-of-man-up/

I wonder if you will ever yourself realize that if you were to witness someone making your kids cry through thuggish behavior you would at the very least pound their faces, but somehow when you do it you deem it to be "Acting Appropriately with dignity".

I would assume with trump putting ghislaine maxwell into a holiday camp jail you now realize he is protecting himself and other pedophiles in that ring?

And you never did explain why you target transvestites reading to children in libraries while giving the many, many pedo priests a free ride?

[Kb2020dope]

Well, except for the making the children cry thing through your thuggish actions. Interesting you confirm you were there to terrify the children in person.




Look at the words of a founding member of the thug up, opps I mean man up group. He takes a big pooh on your notions of integrity.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2025/09/13/destiny-church-get-out-warns-founding-member-of-man-up/

I wonder if you will ever yourself realize that if you were to witness someone making your kids cry through thuggish behavior you would at the very least pound their faces, but somehow when you do it you deem it to be "Acting Appropriately with dignity".

I would assume with trump putting ghislaine maxwell into a holiday camp jail you now realize he is protecting himself and other pedophiles in that ring?

And you never did explain why you target transvestites reading to children in libraries while giving the many, many pedo priests a free ride?

Hey bud,

I honestly respect your passion and to be honest if I was reading this article and was not present i would be right behind you.

Unfortunately, you were not there. Therefore you dont 100% know what happened. You are reading/ believing 2nd or 3rd hand information and we know how much the nz media love chinese whispers.

We do a lot of good in our community and I can promise you that the children were safe at all times and we communicated with the parents about our peaceful protest. All though many of these parents being fairly woke, they accepted our right to protest ( we respect them for this).

I can say I know this member. Unfortunately this member has gone down a bad path and was removed and trespassed before this comment.

This statement is his way of revenge (im sure with what he was running on he had a few sleepless nights to plan this).

You have the right to your own opinion but I hope you look at both sides equally.

Thanks

[sugilite]

Nice attempt and some revisionist history there. I'm sure you will have seen video of thug up aggressively pushing their way past library staff, pushing and yelling and screaming, then performing a very loud and to a child - super aggressive haka. You say you were protecting children - you were not - you were terrifying them. Something you would not allow your own families children to endure I'm most sure.

You completely fail to address my other question, so I will expand on it in case you do not understand it. I witness Destiny Church actively engaging the LGBTQ community in a very aggressive manner. You yourself say this is out of concern for children. I accept that is your right. What confuses me, is there is much more readily available verifiable damage being done by many, many priests, vicars and so on sodomizing and raping children. Yet your "church" chooses to do nothing against them, and they are not hard to find. I would say active protest against the LGBTQ community and doing nothing whatsoever against the very real and ongoing abuse by powerful churches, many who go out of their way to cover it all up amounts to tacit acceptance and protection for these monsters. You yourself greatly admire trump who is supposedly in the most powerful position in the World, who is also on tape as boasting about how because he is the owner of the beauty pageant, that gave him a license to barge into a woman's/young girls dressing rooms multiple times to enjoy looking at their naked bodies. I will also add in a video showing trump is in the epstein files complete with photos showing him with epstein and VERY young girls.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIvFHFboWEU



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSaQWD-abnE


https://youtu.be/_zjpd6xbmew?t=73


Hey bud,

I honestly respect your passion and to be honest if I was reading this article and was not present i would be right behind you.

Unfortunately, you were not there. Therefore you dont 100% know what happened. You are reading/ believing 2nd or 3rd hand information and we know how much the nz media love chinese whispers.

We do a lot of good in our community and I can promise you that the children were safe at all times and we communicated with the parents about our peaceful protest. All though many of these parents being fairly woke, they accepted our right to protest ( we respect them for this).

I can say I know this member. Unfortunately this member has gone down a bad path and was removed and trespassed before this comment.

This statement is his way of revenge (im sure with what he was running on he had a few sleepless nights to plan this).

You have the right to your own opinion but I hope you look at both sides equally.

Thanks

[Kb2020dope]

Nice attempt and some revisionist history there. I'm sure you will have seen video of thug up aggressively pushing their way past library staff, pushing and yelling and screaming, then performing a very loud and to a child - super aggressive haka. You say you were protecting children - you were not - you were terrifying them. Something you would not allow your own families children to endure I'm most sure.

You completely fail to address my other question, so I will expand on it in case you do not understand it. I witness Destiny Church actively engaging the LGBTQ community in a very aggressive manner. You yourself say this is out of concern for children. I accept that is your right. What confuses me, is there is much more readily available verifiable damage being done by many, many priests, vicars and so on sodomizing and raping children. Yet your "church" chooses to do nothing against them, and they are not hard to find. I would say active protest against the LGBTQ community and doing nothing whatsoever against the very real and ongoing abuse by powerful churches, many who go out of their way to cover it all up amounts to tacit acceptance and protection for these monsters. You yourself greatly admire trump who is supposedly in the most powerful position in the World, who is also on tape as boasting about how because he is the owner of the beauty pageant, that gave him a license to barge into a woman's/young girls dressing rooms multiple times to enjoy looking at their naked bodies. I will also add in a video showing trump is in the epstein files complete with photos showing him with epstein and VERY young

Hey bud,

Take a breath and collect your thoughts. Your comments are coming across as disorganised and unfocused — address one issue at a time instead of mixing unrelated points.

If you were less erratic and more organised, you could be a politician. You clearly know how to spin a story.

I was present, and I stand by what I saw and did. That will not change. Also, a haka is not an act of violence — please learn about the cultural context before making that claim.

At this point your statements are moving into conspiracy territory. I suggest returning to verifiable facts and avoiding wild speculation.

Try be 10% better with your next post, it'll go a long way.

Thanks in advance.

[pritch]

Hey bud,

Take a breath and collect your thoughts. Your comments are coming across as disorganised and unfocused — address one issue at a time instead of mixing unrelated points.

If you were less erratic and more organised, you could be a politician. You clearly know how to spin a story.

I was present, and I stand by what I saw and did. That will not change. Also, a haka is not an act of violence — please learn about the cultural context before making that claim.

At this point your statements are moving into conspiracy territory. I suggest returning to verifiable facts and avoiding wild speculation.

Try be 10% better with your next post, it'll go a long way.

Thanks in advance.



Perhaps it's more a comprehension problem? I've never had any problem understanding sugilite.

All this anti LGBTQ rhetoric is imported. People pushing this nonsense lack the intelligence and originality to focus on something meaningful to this country. What kind of idiot gets upset about the colour of a pedestrian crossing?



Update: Just came cross the attachment on Facebook. It's Australian but applies equally here. We don't need the crap that is being shovelled in the US or by Farage in Britain.

[sugilite]

Hey bud,

Take a breath and collect your thoughts. Your comments are coming across as disorganised and unfocused — address one issue at a time instead of mixing unrelated points.

If you were less erratic and more organised, you could be a politician. You clearly know how to spin a story.
No need to "take a breath and collect my thoughts" as I have plainly and non sensationally stated my points with complete sentences, full stops, paragraphs with videos to back them up. I have noted your previous requests for me to make my points somehow even simpler. I have decided not to cater to KB's lowest denominator as such - just in order to validate your somewhat strange desire to be acknowledged as not being to sharpest tool in the kb shed.

Let us cut to the chase, the only reason you post such requests is in an effort to not address clearly connected points. And look, I get it, even TDL has given up defending the indefensible over at the trump thread.



I was present, and I stand by what I saw and did. That will not change. Also, a haka is not an act of violence — please learn about the cultural context before making that claim.
I'm well aware of what a haka is. However, did the very young children there that you "claim" to protect know that? Or did they just see a large amount of angry people push and barge their way in and start chanting, stamping and screaming, because in their eyes and very frightened emotions that is exactly what they would of seen and interpreted. I put it to you that you did not give one single thought to how your actions would come across to the children you falsely profess to want to protect.


At this point your statements are moving into conspiracy territory. I suggest returning to verifiable facts and avoiding wild speculation.
All three videos I posted show otherwise. Likely the only people swallowing your words are you and Dean - the rest of us have eyes and ears and are not too cowardly to use them.


Try be 10% better with your next post, it'll go a long way.

Thanks in advance.
Again, your words are just obvious weakness and deflection. Go back to my previous, perfectly legible post, and actually answer my questions with real answers pertaining to the clearly stated subjects. This pretending you do not understand is not highlighting the strength and mana that you so clearly wish that you could put forward. Currently you are not even attaining the standard of defending the indefensible.

[TheDemonLord]

All this anti LGBTQ rhetoric is imported.

No, I don't think it is, per se.

Whilst a lot of both Pro- and Anti- Ideas have been imported to a degree, there needs to be local factors that are applicable for the ideas to take root.

And on the Anti- side, what is specifically comes down to is that the Alphabet lobby has effectively breached their side of the Social Contract.

What was the original plea for Gay Rights?

"We just want to be left alone to love who we love, so that we can be happy" - An Idea that most people agree with. Yes, there are people that hold sincere religious belief who do not condone it, however even they have been persuaded in time to "Love the Sinner, hate the sin"

And for the most part, wider society has upheld their end of the bargain (yes, there will be homophobic incidents, you can never get rid of hate) - but have they upheld their part about being happy?

See, if you ask me to do something for someone, in order to make them happy - so long as it's not unreasonable and done in good faith and I am able to do what is asked - most of the time I will do it.

But if you keep asking me to do more and more to make someone happy, it becomes more and more apparent that no matter what I do, they will never be happy - and that is the surest way to use up all good will.

That, in my opinion, has not been imported.

People have seen it in their daily lives that no matter what is done, a small (but very vocal) minority are still unhappy. That unhappiness is the fertile ground for wider, secular support, for the Anti- side.

[sugilite]

I don't disagree with what you say at all, especially the part about a subgroup that feed off never being happier than when they are "correcting" you to their reality. A sure path to incinerating any public good will built up towards their cause. For me, somewhere in the middle lies balance.
However, I do feel Pritch is referencing the LGBTQ situation as part of a much larger package of the sheer hate and callousness currently erupting in the USA political system wrapped up with a large side helping of faux Christianity. Unfortunately that is most certainly being adopted and adapted here in NZ, and that to me is both alarming - and depressing.


No, I don't think it is, per se.

Whilst a lot of both Pro- and Anti- Ideas have been imported to a degree, there needs to be local factors that are applicable for the ideas to take root.

And on the Anti- side, what is specifically comes down to is that the Alphabet lobby has effectively breached their side of the Social Contract.

What was the original plea for Gay Rights?

"We just want to be left alone to love who we love, so that we can be happy" - An Idea that most people agree with. Yes, there are people that hold sincere religious belief who do not condone it, however even they have been persuaded in time to "Love the Sinner, hate the sin"

And for the most part, wider society has upheld their end of the bargain (yes, there will be homophobic incidents, you can never get rid of hate) - but have they upheld their part about being happy?

See, if you ask me to do something for someone, in order to make them happy - so long as it's not unreasonable and done in good faith and I am able to do what is asked - most of the time I will do it.

But if you keep asking me to do more and more to make someone happy, it becomes more and more apparent that no matter what I do, they will never be happy - and that is the surest way to use up all good will.

That, in my opinion, has not been imported.

People have seen it in their daily lives that no matter what is done, a small (but very vocal) minority are still unhappy. That unhappiness is the fertile ground for wider, secular support, for the Anti- side.

[jellywrestler]

Also, a haka is not an act of violence — please learn about the cultural context before making that claim.

it's a war dance, specifically designed to scare it's recipients, while not violent is it appropriate to do it in faces of young children who have suddenly been overrun by a bunch of terrorists

[Kb2020dope]

I log in after a hard, yet rewarding day of work. Im just looking to cover piper on the on this day thread. I truly hope he is ok.

I turn up to find two essays from suglite, once again they dont make any sense! I feel like a teacher trying to grade the work of a child with fetal alcohol syndrome. Sugilite, you were 5% better, i am proud. Good boy.

Laava, you can do better. Get involved, speak your mind, people may disagree with you but it is not the end of the world.

Pritch, I actually respect your opinion and will reply a bit later.

Thanks gents

[Dean]

All three videos I posted show otherwise. Likely the only people swallowing your words are you and Dean - the rest of us have eyes and ears and are not too cowardly to use them..

Hmmm well now I feel compelled to reply since you brought me into it.

Firstly, I hope you and family are well.

Now, I don’t agree with everything KB2020 says, and I don’t want to talk about Destiny Church related content. But happy to chat on other things.

As you were.

Cheers,
Dean

[Kb2020dope]

Perhaps it's more a comprehension problem? I've never had any problem understanding sugilite.

All this anti LGBTQ rhetoric is imported. People pushing this nonsense lack the intelligence and originality to focus on something meaningful to this country. What kind of idiot gets upset about the colour of a pedestrian crossing?



Update: Just came cross the attachment on Facebook. It's Australian but applies equally here. We don't need the crap that is being shovelled in the US or by Farage in Britain.

I would like to admit that I was wrong.... I expected a good opinion from you, clearly I was incorrect.

I guess you a sugilite are both fluent in woke.

Mate, I know im not going to change your mind but majority of red blooded kiwi males would agree the woke agenda is the only thing that is imported.

There is a couple of guys at my gym in their late 40s that inject testosterone, im more than happy to try link you up so you can try counteract your high estrogen.

All the best. If you need help please do not hesitate to contact me.

Thanks

[sugilite]

I turn up to find two essays from suglite, once again they dont make any sense! I feel like a teacher trying to grade the work of a child with fetal alcohol syndrome. Sugilite, you were 5% better, i am proud. Good boy.


Haha, what a lightweight, cannot even begin to back up your words.


Hmmm well now I feel compelled to reply since you brought me into it.

Firstly, I hope you and family are well.

Now, I don’t agree with everything KB2020 says, and I don’t want to talk about Destiny Church related content. But happy to chat on other things.

As you were.

Cheers,
Dean
All good, can respect that. Hope your family is well too.


I would like to admit that I was wrong.... I expected a good opinion from you, clearly I was incorrect.

I guess you a sugilite are both fluent in woke.


Haha, despite your best efforts to put us to sleep.

[pritch]

I guess you a sugilite are both fluent in woke.

Mate, I know im not going to change your mind but majority of red blooded kiwi males would agree the woke agenda is the only thing that is imported.



Most people who use woke as an insult can't even explain what they mean. If, as has been suggested, it basically just means consideration for others I'm OK with that.

The attack on a "drag king" reading, a new one on me, is straight out of the US culture wars. The republicans have to keep their base riled up otherwise they will realise that many of them live in poverty uncommon anywhere in the western world. Trump has mentioned "shitholes". Most US southern states have parts that qualify for that description.

[Kb2020dope]

Haha, what a lightweight, cannot even begin to back up your words.


All good, can respect that. Hope your family is well too.


Haha, despite your best efforts to put us to sleep.

I can think of a great way to put you to sleep bud.

Look, end of the day im more of a bruce Jenner fan and you're more of a Caitlin Jenner fan. You are not going to convince me celebrate a mental illness and im not going to cure yours. Lets leave it at that. All the best, you do you.

P.S. I genuinely hope no woman or girl—whether related to anyone in this thread or anywhere in this country—ever endures the trauma of being violated in a public toilet by a man in a dress. If such a tragedy does occur, I hope those defending these decisions take a hard, honest look in the mirror and confront the consequences of their stance. Also remember I was one of the voices sticking up to prevent this madness.

That is all.

[Kickaha]

P.S. I genuinely hope no woman or girl—whether related to anyone in this thread or anywhere in this country—ever endures the trauma of being violated in a public toilet by a man in a dress.

They're many time more likely to be violated by a family member, family friend or a member of the clergy than a man in a dress

[TheDemonLord]

After I made my comment - I saw this short clip:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/lXkgZNZASaQ

This is why I don't think the framing of it being imported is entirely correct, I think it is more people are having the same reactions to the same problems.

[sugilite]

I can think of a great way to put you to sleep bud.
Well, don't keep me in suspense, what is it?


Look, end of the day im more of a bruce Jenner fan and you're more of a Caitlin Jenner fan. You are not going to convince me celebrate a mental illness and im not going to cure yours. Lets leave it at that. All the best, you do you.
That is at the end of your day, not being able to workout that is the same person? Point to where I ask anyone to celebrate? Don't worry, I know you won't as you are too scared to do facts.


P.S. I genuinely hope no woman or girl—whether related to anyone in this thread or anywhere in this country—ever endures the trauma of being violated in a public toilet by a man in a dress. If such a tragedy does occur, I hope those defending these decisions take a hard, honest look in the mirror and confront the consequences of their stance. Also remember I was one of the voices sticking up to prevent this madness.
But you are all good with trump barging into young girls lockers for a perve, but you cannot address that can you lightweight, why is that?


Did you proudly let brian know how many children you and your cowardly thug up buddies scared that night? You brave, brave fake Christians.


After I made my comment - I saw this short clip:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/lXkgZNZASaQ

This is why I don't think the framing of it being imported is entirely correct, I think it is more people are having the same reactions to the same problems.

Here is the official whitehouse spokesperson for the republican party claiming the democrat main constituency are hamas supporters, violent terrorists and illegal aliens. Watching this video, do you still assert that this party would not sensationalize and vastly overstate the dangers of the LGBTQ community and package it up into an eminantly exportable package?

<iframe width="528" height="938" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/ovvREVg_bWg" title="Leavitt makes wild claim Democrat constituency is 'made up of Hamas terrorists' #shorts" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" referrerpolicy="strict-origin-when-cross-origin" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[TheDemonLord]

Here is the official whitehouse spokesperson for the republican party claiming the democrat main constituency are hamas supporters, violent terrorists and illegal aliens. Watching this video, do you still assert that this party would not sensationalize and vastly overstate the dangers of the LGBTQ community and package it up into an eminantly exportable package?

I mean it is certainly embellished, but behind each claim - we can point to objective facts:

The Left supports Palestine. Are all Palestinians Terrorists? No, but when surveyed, there was something like 70-80% support for Hamas amongst Palestinians.

The Left opposes deportation of people who have entered the country illegally. To the point where they are actively trying to stop ICE, setup sancturary cities, actively oppose the attempts to legitimate deport people.

The Left releases individuals with long criminal histories (including violent offending). Who end up committing more violent crimes, instead of being in Prison.

All of those things are starting to have real world consequences.

On the Alphabet front - The problem is that the current set of ideologies have real world problems that are dismissed - Biological Males in Women's sport is probably my favorite (the TERF vs Intersectional Feminist wars are great to observe from the sidelines).

Parents are also justifiably worried that an impressionable child, probably with AUDHD might see hyper-focus on "This is why I don't feel like everyone else" and seek Medical Interventions that will leave them will long-term health complications.

Even if we assume that the Parents are just hateful bigots, there is still a justified concern, for which the rebuttal argument is extremely weak (which is why they resort to namecalling).

And that is the issue - they have painted themselves into a corner where they cannot retreat (because to do so would undermine their claims) - and so the only option is they keep trying to push forward, alienating more of the general public.

[Katman]

Here is the official whitehouse spokesperson for the republican party claiming the democrat main constituency are hamas supporters, violent terrorists and illegal aliens. Watching this video, do you still assert that this party would not sensationalize and vastly overstate the dangers of the LGBTQ community and package it up into an eminantly exportable package?

<iframe width="528" height="938" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/ovvREVg_bWg" title="Leavitt makes wild claim Democrat constituency is 'made up of Hamas terrorists' #shorts" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" referrerpolicy="strict-origin-when-cross-origin" allowfullscreen></iframe>

You probably can't even spell satyre.

[sugilite]

I mean it is certainly embellished, but behind each claim - we can point to objective facts:
"Objective Facts" that sounds very official, done and dusted, they be facts folks!


The Left supports Palestine.
I put it to you that the average dem "main constituent" for who the word "palastine" is just a place that seldom pops up in every day conversation. I'm sure they would not classify themselves as palistinian supporters and nor would they stash a bunch checkered scarves on their persons at the ready for a spot of spontaneous virtue signaling such as you would find in your average university/internet forum/social media groups that make up the minority of the Democrat "main constituency".


Are all Palestinians Terrorists? No, but when surveyed, there was something like 70-80% support for Hamas amongst Palestinians.
I was shocked when I first read that in one of your earlier posts. Upon a spot of reflection, I find it not surprising at all that Palestinians would support a group that represents the strongest resistance to an oppressor that is vastly more wealthy, armed to the teeth and has a vast over representation of influence upon other countries. HOWEVER - Now Israel has destroyed nearly all the Palestinian infrastructure As of late July/early August 2025, over
86% of Gaza's agricultural land has been damaged by the Israeli military - (the hamas must have been hiding behind the broccoli I guess.) on the IDF led quest of genocide. I feel the vote on the hamas may be different now - or not.


The Left opposes deportation of people who have entered the country illegally. To the point where they are actively trying to stop ICE, setup sancturary cities, actively oppose the attempts to legitimate deport people.
Haha, your a walking right wing talking point machine lol. Your average "main constituent" did largely acknowledge the immigrant issue as shown in poll after poll. The dem cartel wanting to provide cheap labor to their rich mates were probs quite upset that the right wing side of the same coin - who also like to provide cheap labor to their rich mates, the dems were likely quite miffed that their usual partners in crime on the right were pissing on all of their shoes.
To add to the fun, trump is unleashing a faceless, army in plain cars that kidnap people off the streets and sends in the military to quell the tiny amount of resistance being shown. As a flag waving serious libertarian TDL - does this look like the actions of a administration set about achieving the goal of "Small Government"? Or is this indeed a possible prelude to another one of your pet projects - 2A. With an obviously tyrannical and abjectly corrupt administration, their own supporters after being fleeced by tariff taxes, having their medical payments cancelled, etc, etc could well likely end up taking up arms and executing their 2nd amendment rights that will likely end up with dear leader swinging from a rope. I'm sure pence will be at home drinking an eggnog and tipping his cap to the irony at the news of his old boss meeting the same demise trump had prescribed to pence those years ago?



The Left releases individuals with long criminal histories (including violent offending). Who end up committing more violent crimes, instead of being in Prison.
OMG, this has to be a troll :laugh: Trump has let out all the violent jan 6th prisoners, AND will pardon anyone that buys enough trump crypto coin :laugh: I mean MAAAAAATE :laugh: BOTH the dem and gop presidents have proven that they do not have the integrity required to weld the awesome power of pardons. This is a power that needs to be removed. Which is a real shame as I like the concept of them being a solution to where the Law really is an Arse and such things have an avenue to actual justice.


All of those things are starting to have real world consequences.
Your talking about the blue tsunami last night right? :bleh:



On the Alphabet front - The problem is that the current set of ideologies have real world problems that are dismissed - Biological Males in Women's sport is probably my favorite (the TERF vs Intersectional Feminist wars are great to observe from the sidelines).
Agreed


Parents are also justifiably worried that an impressionable child, probably with AUDHD might see hyper-focus on "This is why I don't feel like everyone else" and seek Medical Interventions that will leave them will long-term health complications.
Agreed


Even if we assume that the Parents are just hateful bigots, there is still a justified concern, for which the rebuttal argument is extremely weak (which is why they resort to namecalling).
Agreed


And that is the issue - they have painted themselves into a corner where they cannot retreat (because to do so would undermine their claims) - and so the only option is they keep trying to push forward, alienating more of the general public.
No men in women's sports, No men in women's bathrooms, You don't get to create a library of confusing acronyms, labels and pro nouns, then get all pouty when people cannot remember-or care enough to use them. Considering what that community is enduring now with these completely over the top vilifying attacks - you know, I do not believe they would feel the pre-mentioned social queues could not be agreed upon and they can get on with their lives.

And just before you reach for your happy place - the right wing talking points jar - consider this. The republicans of late have finally wanted to place restrictions on a group of previously 2A approved members. Yep, they are wanting to push through a law that prevents transgender people from owning firearms. Wow, there must be a reason for that huh? "According to the Gun Violence Archive (GVA), there were 5,748 mass shootings between Jan 1, 2013 and September 15, 2025 in the U.S. Of that number, there have been five confirmed transgender shooters, GVA told FactCheck.org. That means that transgender individuals were responsible for less than 0.1% of incidents over that time period."

So for the gop, don't worry about doing gun license checks on the mentally ill, I mean, clearly they view mentally ill people as causing zero percentage of gun violence. But WOAH, that 0.1 % of transgender mass shooters, save the American people!!!!!
So sorry, what were you saying to Pritch about there not being an over the top persecution of the LGBT community again? I forget.

[Kb2020dope]

They're many time more likely to be violated by a family member, family friend or a member of the clergy than a man in a dress

Hey bud,

This may be your story, and I honestly i respect your strength to come out and talk about it. However, I believe brainwashing children to think that they / them are normal is the beginning of the end of life as we know it.

Just my opinion and I do respect your strength. I hope you can heal and find peace.

[Kb2020dope]

Well, don't keep me in suspense, what is it?


That is at the end of your day, not being able to workout that is the same person? Point to where I ask anyone to celebrate? Don't worry, I know you won't as you are too scared to do facts.


But you are all good with trump barging into young girls lockers for a perve, but you cannot address that can you lightweight, why is that?


Did you proudly let brian know how many children you and your cowardly thug up buddies scared that night? You brave, brave fake Christians.



Here is the official whitehouse spokesperson for the republican party claiming the democrat main constituency are hamas supporters, violent terrorists and illegal aliens. Watching this video, do you still assert that this party would not sensationalize and vastly overstate the dangers of the LGBTQ community and package it up into an eminantly exportable package?

<iframe width="528" height="938" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/ovvREVg_bWg" title="Leavitt makes wild claim Democrat constituency is 'made up of Hamas terrorists' #shorts" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" referrerpolicy="strict-origin-when-cross-origin" allowfullscreen></iframe>

To be fair you actually put me to sleep with another one of your novels.

They are not the same, they have mental illness. They probably are 15 - 20 people minimum.

Mate, you need to take a step back and look at everything with common sense instead of reading the fake news gospel.

[Kickaha]

Hey bud,

This may be your story, and I honestly i respect your strength to come out and talk about it.

It's not my story, it's statistics and facts

[pritch]

They are not the same, they have mental illness.

That's funny. I was just thinking that people who believed trans people reading to kids was brain washing had a diagnosable mental illness.

[TheDemonLord]

I put it to you that the average dem "main constituent" for who the word "palastine" is just a place that seldom pops up in every day conversation. I'm sure they would not classify themselves as palistinian supporters and nor would they stash a bunch checkered scarves on their persons at the ready for a spot of spontaneous virtue signaling such as you would find in your average university/internet forum/social media groups that make up the minority of the Democrat "main constituency".

Then show me the condemnation of the radical left by the moderate Left.

Whether it is US politics, NZ Politics, UK Politics - Show me this moderate left annexing the fringe left.

The irony is I can show the reverse, I can show examples of the Radical Left lambasting the likes of Labour for not being left enough, I can show a myriad instances of moderate democrats/left-wing types getting torn-apart by the radical fringe - but never the inverse.


I was shocked when I first read that in one of your earlier posts. Upon a spot of reflection, I find it not surprising at all that Palestinians would support a group that represents the strongest resistance to an oppressor that is vastly more wealthy, armed to the teeth and has a vast over representation of influence upon other countries. HOWEVER - Now Israel has destroyed nearly all the Palestinian infrastructure As of late July/early August 2025, over
86% of Gaza's agricultural land has been damaged by the Israeli military - (the hamas must have been hiding behind the broccoli I guess.) on the IDF led quest of genocide. I feel the vote on the hamas may be different now - or not.

Is it a Genocide? Or is it that you keep fighting until the Enemy has no more will or capacity to fight? This could be solved very quickly. Hamas could put on uniforms, act like a regular military, they would get annihilated quickly - minimal collateral damage.

But they don't and they won't - because civillian deaths serve their purposes both domestically and abroad.

To be clear - I am not happy about this - but both sides believe that the other is an existential threat to them - there is only one solution at this point - a fight to the death.

Perhaps it would be more humane to let them get on with it so that the issue can be solved once and for all.


Haha, your a walking right wing talking point machine lol. Your average "main constituent" did largely acknowledge the immigrant issue as shown in poll after poll. The dem cartel wanting to provide cheap labor to their rich mates were probs quite upset that the right wing side of the same coin - who also like to provide cheap labor to their rich mates, the dems were likely quite miffed that their usual partners in crime on the right were pissing on all of their shoes.
To add to the fun, trump is unleashing a faceless, army in plain cars that kidnap people off the streets and sends in the military to quell the tiny amount of resistance being shown.

All great points - none of which is the real problem.

When reading what the average activist thinks or says - they are largely unconcerned about labour costs or other things - The telling slogan:

"No one is illegal on Stolen Land"

They believe that illegal migrants are an oppressed class, and as an oppressed class, they are justified in doing whatever they like to their oppressor.


As a flag waving serious libertarian TDL - does this look like the actions of a administration set about achieving the goal of "Small Government"? Or is this indeed a possible prelude to another one of your pet projects - 2A. With an obviously tyrannical and abjectly corrupt administration, their own supporters after being fleeced by tariff taxes, having their medical payments cancelled, etc, etc could well likely end up taking up arms and executing their 2nd amendment rights that will likely end up with dear leader swinging from a rope. I'm sure pence will be at home drinking an eggnog and tipping his cap to the irony at the news of his old boss meeting the same demise trump had prescribed to pence those years ago?

It looks like the necessary work of cleaning up years of deliberate acts by previous administrations. This is where the philosophical meets the Pragmatic - look at El Salvador - we can debate the legitimacy of the numbers, we can talk about the heavy-handed approach, we can talk about all these things - but it does seem that by actually addressing the problem, the problem got fixed. By all accounts, the Murder rate has decreased and El Salvador is a better country for it.

If someone believes that if they get into America, they can live and work and have an NGO that will protect them from deportation - why wouldn't you try and illegally enter the country?

If, however, they believe that once they do that, Government agents will kick down the door and drag you back to the country you left - would you try?

As for 2A - on some of the spicier Left-wing sources I read, this has been coming up more and more - and the ones where there are also Right-wingers present - Suffice to say the Right Wingers have been fully on-board. To be clear - when the Left tries to mock the right and go 'Maybe we should arm ourselves to defend against ICE tyranny' - the Right, in all sincerity, goes: "It is your god-given right to do so"


OMG, this has to be a troll :laugh: Trump has let out all the violent jan 6th prisoners, AND will pardon anyone that buys enough trump crypto coin :laugh: I mean MAAAAAATE :laugh: BOTH the dem and gop presidents have proven that they do not have the integrity required to weld the awesome power of pardons. This is a power that needs to be removed. Which is a real shame as I like the concept of them being a solution to where the Law really is an Arse and such things have an avenue to actual justice.

How many people from Jan 6th had extensive wrap sheets of violent criminal offending?

Here is a recent example of what I'm talking about:


The 34-year-old suspect, Decarlos Dejuan Brown Jr., had been arrested 14 times in Mecklenburg County, North Carolina, before the stabbing, with criminal charges dating back to 2007.[17][18] On April 11, 2014, he was convicted of breaking and entering. While on probation, he was arrested for armed robbery and possession of a firearm by a felon.[18] Brown was convicted of armed robbery and incarcerated in state prison from 2015 to September 2020.[19][18] Upon release, he initially lived with his family, but his mother told ABC News that he was diagnosed with schizophrenia at this point and displayed violent behavior at home.

Why was this person not in Prison or in a Psychiatric facility? And this is not an isolated instance.

Tell you what - when the majority of illegal migrants (especially those with criminal convictions) have been deported and people who repeatedly demonstrate they cannot live in polite society are behind bars - Prison or Pscyhe ward - then, we can talk about the appropriate punishment for the Jan 6th rioters.


No men in women's sports, No men in women's bathrooms, You don't get to create a library of confusing acronyms, labels and pro nouns, then get all pouty when people cannot remember-or care enough to use them. Considering what that community is enduring now with these completely over the top vilifying attacks - you know, I do not believe they would feel the pre-mentioned social queues could not be agreed upon and they can get on with their lives.

To admit that though is to admit that the Sexes and Genders are different. Unfortunately all of their house of cards rests upon that one idea.

If you accept that Men and Women are different, then you provide a potential justification for differential outcomes for Men and Women - and that is anathema to modern feminist thought.


And just before you reach for your happy place - the right wing talking points jar - consider this. The republicans of late have finally wanted to place restrictions on a group of previously 2A approved members. Yep, they are wanting to push through a law that prevents transgender people from owning firearms. Wow, there must be a reason for that huh? "According to the Gun Violence Archive (GVA), there were 5,748 mass shootings between Jan 1, 2013 and September 15, 2025 in the U.S. Of that number, there have been five confirmed transgender shooters, GVA told FactCheck.org. That means that transgender individuals were responsible for less than 0.1% of incidents over that time period."

So for the gop, don't worry about doing gun license checks on the mentally ill, I mean, clearly they view mentally ill people as causing zero percentage of gun violence. But WOAH, that 0.1 % of transgender mass shooters, save the American people!!!!!
So sorry, what were you saying to Pritch about there not being an over the top persecution of the LGBT community again? I forget.

If Transgenderism is a mental illness, then it follows suit that this condition would preclude them from firearm ownership.

I have been pondering a lot on this issue of late (for various reasons) - It seems to me that the issue of identity and gender to be so complex that it would be foolish to believe that there is any singular reason for it.

In the same breath, if there is a multitude of reasons for it, it seems equally foolish that there is only one treatment method available.

Of the Trans folks that I have personally met - some it seems clear to me that their Transgenderism was Trauma response/coping mechanism (Girls get raped, I'm not a girl, I'm a Boy), Some it seems clear to me to be a dissatisfaction at being an invisible, average, middle aged man, Some it seems clear to me to be a form of fetishism ('Lesbians' who are fully intact or those that want to avoid the stigma of simply being male), Some it seems clear to me to be a way of living their life in the manner that works best for them.

This is not an exhaustive list nor is it a deep, peer-reviewed pyschological analysis.

If I just pick on the first one - Someone who has a traumatic experience (which we can all be sympathetic towards) and has created a coping mechanism (which again, we can be sympathetic) that requires them to deny a part of reality - Does that sound like someone who should have ready access to Firearms? I think a compelling case could be made that no, they shouldn't. I am not sure I would agree with that case, but I do think that there are arguments with a strong basis that could be made.

[husaberg]

That's funny. I was just thinking that people who believed trans people reading to kids was brain washing had a diagnosable mental illness.

US Federal law prohibitions
Federal law prohibits anyone who has been "adjudicated as a mental defective" or "committed to a mental institution" from possessing firearms or ammunition. However, a mental illness diagnosis alone does not automatically ban someone, as federal law prohibits the sale or possession of firearms to individuals in these specific legal situations.

So, right-wing retards are not actually precluded from gun ownership.... although they are mentally defective MERICA....

[sugilite]

Then show me the condemnation of the radical left by the moderate Left.

Whether it is US politics, NZ Politics, UK Politics - Show me this moderate left annexing the fringe left.

The irony is I can show the reverse, I can show examples of the Radical Left lambasting the likes of Labour for not being left enough, I can show a myriad instances of moderate democrats/left-wing types getting torn-apart by the radical fringe - but never the inverse.

YAWN, same applies to the right, same team player roles. But fucking hell, all I was saying is the vast population of voting constituents do not give a huge fuck about anything that happens outside of the united states, yet alone of reaching the threshhold of anything remotely like what levvit was calling them. Did you transfer this part of the conversation/move the goal posts to this drivel in order to bore me into submission? Serious question.



Is it a Genocide? Or is it that you keep fighting until the Enemy has no more will or capacity to fight? This could be solved very quickly. Hamas could put on uniforms, act like a regular military, they would get annihilated quickly - minimal collateral damage.

But they don't and they won't - because civillian deaths serve their purposes both domestically and abroad.

To be clear - I am not happy about this - but both sides believe that the other is an existential threat to them - there is only one solution at this point - a fight to the death.

Perhaps it would be more humane to let them get on with it so that the issue can be solved once and for all.

Compared to the VAST resources at the IDFs disposal, the other side has jack shit to fight back with in the first place. Removing 86 percent of the food crops then blocking aid is genocide. You can pretend it is not if you want.


All great points - none of which is the real problem.

When reading what the average activist thinks or says - they are largely unconcerned about labour costs or other things - The telling slogan:

"No one is illegal on Stolen Land"

They believe that illegal migrants are an oppressed class, and as an oppressed class, they are justified in doing whatever they like to their oppressor.

Your point sure brings into sharp focus how your morals allow you to be such a fan of the criminal in chief.
According to you, it is not the super rich class that has had it's thumb on the political scale in ensuring themselves an endless supply of cheap migrant labor to exploit. Oh no, it is those loud mouth leftie windbags whose howling indignation's and protestations are about as effective as pissing into a headwind. Yep, they are the real problem huh <_<


It looks like the necessary work of cleaning up years of deliberate acts by previous administrations. This is where the philosophical meets the Pragmatic - look at El Salvador - we can debate the legitimacy of the numbers, we can talk about the heavy-handed approach, we can talk about all these things - but it does seem that by actually addressing the problem, the problem got fixed. By all accounts, the Murder rate has decreased and El Salvador is a better country for it.

Oh yeah, El Salvador is reeeeeeal peachy about now. :facepalm:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/venezuelan-migrants-el-salvador-cecot/

Just deport them to their own country at least FFS. No masked agents in unmarked vans etc either. I have no problem with properly marked/uniformed officers nabbing and deporting them at all.


As for 2A - on some of the spicier Left-wing sources I read, this has been coming up more and more - and the ones where there are also Right-wingers present - Suffice to say the Right Wingers have been fully on-board. To be clear - when the Left tries to mock the right and go 'Maybe we should arm ourselves to defend against ICE tyranny' - the Right, in all sincerity, goes: "It is your god-given right to do so"

My point is, if trump goes to far, to fast in transferring his supporters wealth to himself and other billionaire mates - and he is at this point, it will be his own followers most likely to rise against a tyrant. Check this out, I can see a point in it where he lets his guard slip just for a moment. He is freaked out at just how many have turned against him already. A real reality check for him.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pt3QLiPxySw&pp




How many people from Jan 6th had extensive wrap sheets of violent criminal offending?


Tell you what - when the majority of illegal migrants (especially those with criminal convictions) have been deported and people who repeatedly demonstrate they cannot live in polite society are behind bars - Prison or Pscyhe ward - then, we can talk about the appropriate punishment for the Jan 6th rioters.
Hmm, TDL "Justice" is tiered , interesting.
But if course you are right, even though they were let out wholesale - all they did was smash in police heads with fire extinguishes and so on, started building a gallows to hang the vice president. I can see it from your view now, just minor stuff huh. Just let them face justice after another group of subhuman lefties get theirs first :rolleyes:

The fact is, the meat and potatoes of that was the actual interesting subject regarding presidents abuse of the pardon system and do they deserve to have that power if all they do is abuse it? But here you are whining about the left - again.



To admit that though is to admit that the Sexes and Genders are different. Unfortunately all of their house of cards rests upon that one idea.
You mean the one idea that lives in your head on never ending repeat, right?

I deleted the your "if" statements and decided not to debate things I do not have a full understanding of - having never walked a mile in their shoes - something I suspect you have not done either - but somehow you feel you know enough to speak for an entire genre of people and psycho analyze all of them and pronounce judgement.

Just to reiterate, a huge percentage of your reply just came across as unbalanced whinging about the left as if the right does not have politically symmetrical pitfalls and failings. Look under the wiring, past the symptoms. Look at the class of the people that really run the show - and all their lovingly crafted hate packages they are pedaling and the ridiculous amount of people buying into said hatred. Do I need to say by both sides at this point? Sheesh.

[TheDemonLord]

YAWN, same applies to the right, same team player roles. But fucking hell, all I was saying is the vast population of voting constituents do not give a huge fuck about anything that happens outside of the united states, yet alone of reaching the threshhold of anything remotely like what levvit was calling them. Did you transfer this part of the conversation/move the goal posts to this drivel in order to bore me into submission? Serious question.

Except it doesn't. And just a simple experiment on this, assuming for the minute that Fascism is extreme-right wing - can you find a parliamentarian who is an open Fascist - as in says "I am a fascist" or belongs (or did belong) to a Fascist organization?

Because I can find plenty that are open Socialists and Communists.

Both ideologies have enough corpses buried under their name that both should be inexcusable.


Compared to the VAST resources at the IDFs disposal, the other side has jack shit to fight back with in the first place. Removing 86 percent of the food crops then blocking aid is genocide. You can pretend it is not if you want.

And? They are still fighting back. If they stop fighting, then so will Israel, if they keep fighting, then so will Israel. Disparity of Force is not my concern.

Don't get me wrong - I am not happy about the situation, it's been going on my entire life and since the creation of Israel. When both sides believe the existence of the other is an existential threat to them - then there isn't much room for negotiation. So at this point - let them have at each other until one side emerges victorious.

Oh - and if you want - I would be more than happy to see not a penny more in Aid sent to Israel.


Your point sure brings into sharp focus how your morals allow you to be such a fan of the criminal in chief.
According to you, it is not the super rich class that has had it's thumb on the political scale in ensuring themselves an endless supply of cheap migrant labor to exploit. Oh no, it is those loud mouth leftie windbags whose howling indignation's and protestations are about as effective as pissing into a headwind. Yep, they are the real problem huh <_<

Let's for a moment agree (for the sake of this point) that yes, all the Billionaires are colluding to bring in foreign migrants.

The first question is which President tried to limit Migration (illegal and legal) and which one didn't? Between Trump and Biden, it's pretty clear.
The second question is which side is trying to impede the efforts of ICE to deport illegal migrants with criminal histories?

Double irony points for those same people opposing ICE will vociferously agree with you that it is the Billionaires rigging the system whilst doing the very thing that the Billionaires want.


Oh yeah, El Salvador is reeeeeeal peachy about now. :facepalm:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/venezuelan-migrants-el-salvador-cecot/

Just deport them to their own country at least FFS.

Maybe not in the prisons - but the Citizenry aren't getting murdered - which is pretty good.


No masked agents in unmarked vans etc either. I have no problem with properly marked/uniformed officers nabbing and deporting them at all.

I get the sentiment here - and I agree, I do not like anonymous law enforcement on principle. However, given the actions of organized criminal elements (the Cartels) and how they are not above targetting people's families - this one I have to accept.

Of course - if the US was able to leverage it's Military power and eradicate the Cartels to the point that they did not dare target federal agents and their families - then maybe they could go openly.


My point is, if trump goes to far, to fast in transferring his supporters wealth to himself and other billionaire mates - and he is at this point, it will be his own followers most likely to rise against a tyrant. Check this out, I can see a point in it where he lets his guard slip just for a moment. He is freaked out at just how many have turned against him already. A real reality check for him.

He looks more like a dad irritated at trying to do something important and being disrespected - but that's just my view.

There was a different clip I saw, about Chinese University students, I believe it was a Fox clip where the reporter was grilling him about it. He tried to make the business case that without foreign students some universities will fail - the reported replied 'And?' or something similar. Trump wasn't too happy.


Hmm, TDL "Justice" is tiered , interesting.
But if course you are right, even though they were let out wholesale - all they did was smash in police heads with fire extinguishes and so on, started building a gallows to hang the vice president. I can see it from your view now, just minor stuff huh. Just let them face justice after another group of subhuman lefties get theirs first :rolleyes:

Let's for a moment assume that this was an accurate portrayal of events - Someone with zero history of criminal offending being involved in one riot is not the same as someone with a well documented history of violent assaults.


The fact is, the meat and potatoes of that was the actual interesting subject regarding presidents abuse of the pardon system and do they deserve to have that power if all they do is abuse it? But here you are whining about the left - again.

Pardons are, IMO, the final check and balance against the judiciary. If you want the philosophical view - it is that people can be technically guilty of a crime (as written by law) but morally innocent - and that the head of State has the ultimate delegated power to weigh that.

As such, I believe that Pardons for the January 6 rioters is well within a Presidents remit. Regardless how you feel about it.



I deleted the your "if" statements and decided not to debate things I do not have a full understanding of - having never walked a mile in their shoes - something I suspect you have not done either - but somehow you feel you know enough to speak for an entire genre of people and psycho analyze all of them and pronounce judgement.

The If was there for a reason - it depends on how you quantify 'Different'.

We can talk about the baseline concept of Legal equality - whereby all people are equal before the law.

However if the goal is total equality between the Sexes, then the prescence of differences is a fundamental problem for this goal.

This is not speaking for an entire genre of people - this is talking about an incompatibility of the philosophy with reality.

And to make it clearer what I am talking about - The initial grievances of Feminism (Suffrage, Right to work, Equal Pay, Legalized discrimination) all fall under the idea of equality before the law - something that most people, including myself, agree with.

But take something like Sport - If you want to watch the absolute fastest/strongest human being, it will always be a Man. That holds a prestige that being the fastest/strongest woman will never have. That prestige has real-world consequences.

Can you equalize between the two? In some senses, you can - you can appreciate the drive and dedication from the top female athletes... But do you feel the same awe at seeing Lucy Underdown Deadlifting 325 KG as you do from seeing Eddie Hall being the first human to lift half a tonne?

And this is where I say Feminism has painted itself into a corner: If they admit that Men and Women are different - someone can make the argument of "Since Men are Y and Women are X, therefore Men should do A and Women should do B", That argument is anathema to Feminism so they are stuck saying there are no differences at all and therefore Men and Women are completely interchangeable.


Just to reiterate, a huge percentage of your reply just came across as unbalanced whinging about the left as if the right does not have politically symmetrical pitfalls and failings. Look under the wiring, past the symptoms. Look at the class of the people that really run the show - and all their lovingly crafted hate packages they are pedaling and the ridiculous amount of people buying into said hatred. Do I need to say by both sides at this point? Sheesh.

You can have all the propaganda you want both Hate and Pride/Acceptance - but there is no smoke without fire.

For example:

People don't hate Immigrants, people don't like seeing negative changes in their community - caused by people who do not hold the same values.

[Katman]

If they stop fighting, then so will Israel.....

Don't be mistaken, Israel has no intention or desire to share any land with the Palestinians.

They've been trying to get rid of them since 1948.

[husaberg]

Don't be mistaken, Israel has no intention or desire to share any land with the Palestinians.

They've been trying to get rid of them since 1948.
Nice attempt at a rewriting of undeniable historical facts. It's like you enjoy being proven to be rather dim as well as exceptionally racist.

On May 15, 1948, the day after Israel declared its independence and the British Mandate expired, the new state was invaded by the regular armies of several neighboring Arab nations.
This action was followed by the invasion of the former Palestinian mandate by Arab armies from Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and Egypt t. Saudi Arabia sent a formation that fought under the Egyptian command.

Though the United Nations brokered two cease-fires during the conflict, fighting continued into 1949. Israel and the Arab states did not reach any formal armistice agreements until February. Under separate agreements between Israel and the neighboring states of Egypt, Lebanon, Transjordan, and Syria, these bordering nations agreed to formal armistice lines. Israel gained some territory formerly granted to Palestinian Arabs under the United Nations resolution in 1947. Egypt and Jordan retained control over the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, respectively. These armistice lines held until 1967.



Arab nations attacked Israel in 1948 primarily due to their rejection of the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine and their opposition to the establishment of an independent Jewish state. The Arab League viewed the UN resolution as a violation of the principle of self-determination and sought to prevent its implementation, aiming instead for a unified, independent Arab Palestine.
Key motivations for the Arab invasion included:
Rejection of Partition: Arab leaders and governments unequivocally rejected the UN's plan (Resolution 181), which allocated approximately 56% of Mandatory Palestine to a Jewish stateThe Arab nations' goal was to prevent the establishment of the Jewish state and create a unified Arab Palestine, a goal they ultimately failed to achieve. The war ended with armistice agreements in 1949, which left Israel with more territory than originally allotted by the UN, while the remaining Palestinian areas were occupied by Jordan (the West Bank) and Egypt (the Gaza Strip).

Prior to being a British occupied territory, it was part of the Ottoman Empire. Prior to that, it was under various times Byzantine, Roman, Crusader, Greek Mongol, and other rule. i dont recalll a time it was under self rule of its inhabitants. prior to 1 day in 1948. prior to it being invaded by its own arab neighbours.....


Mahmoud Abbas President of the Palestinian National Authority has previously publicly stated that the PA will never recognize Israel as a Jewish state, while demanding that any future “Palestine” be recognized by Israel as an Arab state.

UNGAR 181 for the partition of the Mandate for Palestine specifically proposed a partition of the Mandate into a Jewish state (mentioned 30 times in the text of the resolution) and an Arab state (mentioned 22 times in the resolution.)

[Katman]

Nice attempt at a rewriting of undeniable historical facts. It's like you enjoy being proven to be rather dim as well as exceptionally racist.

Have you never heard of Plan Dalet?

[Berries]

Was that the dyslexic episode of Doctor Who that got banned?

[husaberg]

latest attempt at misdirection...
Was that the one you came up with last night as you were that butt hurt about being shown you were making up shit again... or is it not a well-known historical fact that in 1948 the surrounding Arab countries, Egypt, Transjordan, lebanon and Syria invaded and took over the area given to Arabs as part of the partitioning of the British Mandate Palestine into two areas, one Israeli and the other Palestinian?

Which for reasons known only to your own highly racist belief you like pretend happened some other way.

As for your latest attempt at misdirection, before you go on about something you might want to read it.

The introduction of the plan, which was used after the arabs invaded Palestine after Israel declared independence, states:

(a) The objective of this plan is to gain control of the areas of the Hebrew state and defend its borders.....
The strategy called for the fortification and stabilization of a continuous Jewish-controlled line within the areas of the designated Jewish State and along its putative borders,
fuck how dare they defend their borders and fight back...
Odd you dont seem to be able to ever acknowledge Israel never invaded Palestine but in actual fact in 1948 its arab neighbors did invade palistine , its a bit too inconvenient to admit it for your racially motivated antijew agenda isnt it stevo

[Katman]

https://ciaotest.cc.columbia.edu/olj/jps/vol36-141/vol36-141_b.pdf

[husaberg]

https://ciaotest.cc.columbia.edu/olj/jps/vol36-141/vol36-141_b.pdf
This is a link to extracts of a novel ,you might as well link in Harry Potter. Or india jones and say its about the bible.
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/plan-dalet-for-war-of-independence-march-1948

So again who invaded the Palestinian Palestine and Israel in 1948 Stevo? this is the third occassion in reply to this postwhere you have run and hidden like the huge coward you are.

Don't be mistaken, Israel has no intention or desire to share any land with the Palestinians.

They've been trying to get rid of them since 1948.

Don't be mistaken, Israel has no intention or desire to share any land with the Palestinians.

They've been trying to get rid of them since 1948.
Nice attempt at a rewriting of undeniable historical facts. It's like you enjoy being proven to be rather dim as well as exceptionally racist.

On May 15, 1948, the day after Israel declared its independence and the British Mandate expired, the new state was invaded by the regular armies of several neighboring Arab nations.
This action was followed by the invasion of the former Palestinian mandate by Arab armies from Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and Egypt t. Saudi Arabia sent a formation that fought under the Egyptian command.

Though the United Nations brokered two cease-fires during the conflict, fighting continued into 1949. Israel and the Arab states did not reach any formal armistice agreements until February. Under separate agreements between Israel and the neighboring states of Egypt, Lebanon, Transjordan, and Syria, these bordering nations agreed to formal armistice lines. Israel gained some territory formerly granted to Palestinian Arabs under the United Nations resolution in 1947. Egypt and Jordan retained control over the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, respectively. These armistice lines held until 1967.



Arab nations attacked Israel in 1948 primarily due to their rejection of the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine and their opposition to the establishment of an independent Jewish state. The Arab League viewed the UN resolution as a violation of the principle of self-determination and sought to prevent its implementation, aiming instead for a unified, independent Arab Palestine.
Key motivations for the Arab invasion included:
Rejection of Partition: Arab leaders and governments unequivocally rejected the UN's plan (Resolution 181), which allocated approximately 56% of Mandatory Palestine to a Jewish stateThe Arab nations' goal was to prevent the establishment of the Jewish state and create a unified Arab Palestine, a goal they ultimately failed to achieve. The war ended with armistice agreements in 1949, which left Israel with more territory than originally allotted by the UN, while the remaining Palestinian areas were occupied by Jordan (the West Bank) and Egypt (the Gaza Strip).

Prior to being a British occupied territory, it was part of the Ottoman Empire. Prior to that, it was under various times Byzantine, Roman, Crusader, Greek Mongol, and other rule. i dont recalll a time it was under self rule of its inhabitants. prior to 1 day in 1948. prior to it being invaded by its own arab neighbours.....


Mahmoud Abbas President of the Palestinian National Authority has previously publicly stated that the PA will never recognize Israel as a Jewish state, while demanding that any future “Palestine” be recognized by Israel as an Arab state.

UNGAR 181 for the partition of the Mandate for Palestine specifically proposed a partition of the Mandate into a Jewish state (mentioned 30 times in the text of the resolution) and an Arab state (mentioned 22 times in the resolution.).... you seem to be avoiding this fact stevo,
Seems to be a bit odd unless it's a fact the destoys your own racist anti-Jewish narrative

[TheDemonLord]

Don't be mistaken, Israel has no intention or desire to share any land with the Palestinians.

They've been trying to get rid of them since 1948.

On this point - I believe there are two types of people in this world:

Those that have read enough history on the Middle East to have an opinion about the Israel/Palestine conflicts
And those that haven't.

And near universally - those that have read enough history tend to be Religious Scholars of either Jewish or Islamic persuasion - and so their analysis always ends up biased anyway.

[sugilite]

On this point - I believe there are two types of people in this world:

Those that have read enough history on the Middle East to have an opinion about the Israel/Palestine conflicts
And those that haven't.

And near universally - those that have read enough history tend to be Religious Scholars of either Jewish or Islamic persuasion - and so their analysis always ends up biased anyway.

Have the history books caught up with the fact that several doctors that have provided their services in other armed conflicts say that the largest difference they can see with this conflict is the sheer amount of children that have been killed with head shots from snipers? Have the history books also caught up with the war crime riddled IDF that constantly deliberately commit war crimes like wiping out 5 ambulances and a fire truck in a single sortie, then hiding the bodies in a dirt pit all the while swearing they were not at fault - before inconvenient footage revealing the IDF mass murder event as being fact. Whereupon they basically came out and said, ohhhhhhhh, that incident - our soldiers made "mistakes".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafah_paramedic_massacre

Honestly I have no idea how a person can have room for both a trump and netanyahu dick in their mouth at the same time - must be because they have grand delusions they are "informed" after reading "history" books combined with fucking big ignorant mouths and a ravenous insatiable appetite for outright barefaced lies.

[TheDemonLord]

Have the history books caught up with the fact that several doctors that have provided their services in other armed conflicts say that the largest difference they can see with this conflict is the sheer amount of children that have been killed with head shots from snipers? Have the history books also caught up with the war crime riddled IDF that constantly deliberately commit war crimes like wiping out 5 ambulances and a fire truck in a single sortie, then hiding the bodies in a dirt pit all the while swearing they were not at fault - before inconvenient footage revealing the IDF mass murder event as being fact. Whereupon they basically came out and said, ohhhhhhhh, that incident - our soldiers made "mistakes".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafah_paramedic_massacre

Honestly I have no idea how a person can have room for both a trump and netanyahu dick in their mouth at the same time - must be because they have grand delusions they are "informed" after reading "history" books combined with fucking big ignorant mouths and a ravenous insatiable appetite for outright barefaced lies.

Whatever makes you think I include myself in the group that has read enough history to have a valid opinion?

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Except it doesn't. And just a simple experiment on this, assuming for the minute that Fascism is extreme-right wing - can you find a parliamentarian who is an open Fascist - as in says "I am a fascist" or belongs (or did belong) to a Fascist organization?

Because I can find plenty that are open Socialists and Communists.

Both ideologies have enough corpses buried under their name that both should be inexcusable.
Sorry to disturb you while you are moving the goalposts all over the show in an attempt to gloss over what levit said, but your goalposts have moved into my "I don't care" realm.



And? They are still fighting back. If they stop fighting, then so will Israel.
That must have been why the IDF carried on operations after the ceasefire was agreed to.


Don't get me wrong - I am not happy about the situation, it's been going on my entire life and since the creation of Israel. When both sides believe the existence of the other is an existential threat to them - then there isn't much room for negotiation. So at this point - let them have at each other until one side emerges victorious.
Genocide is never the answer. Your plan just rubber stamps isreals genocide.



Let's for a moment agree (for the sake of this point) that yes, all the Billionaires are colluding to bring in foreign migrants.

The first question is which President tried to limit Migration (illegal and legal) and which one didn't? Between Trump and Biden, it's pretty clear.


Loving the way you paint this as if illegal migration just turned up in the last few election cycles - meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh


Maybe not in the prisons - but the Citizenry aren't getting murdered - which is pretty good.
Unless of course the US has deported you to said prison even though you are not from El Salvador.



I get the sentiment here - and I agree, I do not like anonymous law enforcement on principle. However, given the actions of organized criminal elements (the Cartels) and how they are not above targetting people's families - this one I have to accept.

Of course - if the US was able to leverage it's Military power and eradicate the Cartels to the point that they did not dare target federal agents and their families - then maybe they could go openly.
Nope, no excuse for it. Do border officials at the border wear masks? Do politicians making the laws targeting cartels interests wear masks? This stupid masking must have opened up a fantastic season for kidnappers to just roll up and take anyone they like as everyone will just assume they are ice.



He looks more like a dad irritated at trying to do something important and being disrespected - but that's just my view.

Another post from you depicting trump as dad again :puke::puke::puke:


Let's for a moment assume that this was an accurate portrayal of events - Someone with zero history of criminal offending being involved in one riot is not the same as someone with a well documented history of violent assaults.
Defence lawyer TiDdLes: "Your honor, this is the first time my client has smashed in the head of a police officer with a fire extinguisher, surely we can just let this one slide?"



Pardons are, IMO, the final check and balance against the judiciary. If you want the philosophical view - it is that people can be technically guilty of a crime (as written by law) but morally innocent - and that the head of State has the ultimate delegated power to weigh that.

As such, I believe that Pardons for the January 6 rioters is well within a Presidents remit. Regardless how you feel about it.

I'm not entirely sure what you are doing with the goal posts here, but you just confirmed what I said about pardons, then regurgitate your position on jan 6th rioters as if that is all who trump has pardoned. Just in the last few weeks he has pardoned very wealthy crims that pleaded guilty - sure as hell not a case of the law being an arse there - just trump abusing the pardon system to pump up his crypto account. I have to say AGAIN the dem presidents also issued many dodgy pardons themselves, but as you have the memory of a goldfish in regards to me saying such things....... Just remove the ability for presidents to pardon as president after president just abuses the system.

I see the trump administration got rid of trans out of the military and denied them pension benefits, keep telling yourself that admin is not targeting trans groups disproportionately.


Whatever makes you think I include myself in the group that has read enough history to have a valid opinion?

For precisely the reason you feel I'm targeting you with that statement :bleh:

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Genocide is never the answer. Your plan just rubber stamps isreals genocide.

Now if I'd said that, our resident Berk would be all over it.