Tubeless

[diesel pig]

I am looking at getting some tubeless fitting Kits for my post-classic sproked wheels 18-1.85 / 18-2.15. Has anyone had experience with OUTEX brand tubless kits, they are all over Ebay?

[SaferRides]

Looks interesting. I assume you've seen this review? https://ultimatemotorcycling.com/2023/05/05/outex-tubeless-kit-review-tube-to-tube-free-conversion/#:~:text=Since%20the%20fine%2Dtuning%20of,single%2 0wheel%20kit%20is%20$70.

The problem I can see is what happens if you have a slow leak and lose pressure to the point where the bead doesn't seal. You would want to carry a small compressor rather than CO2 cartridges.

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I am looking at getting some tubeless fitting Kits for my post-classic sproked wheels 18-1.85 / 18-2.15. Has anyone had experience with OUTEX brand tubless kits, they are all over Ebay? Gidday DP. I fitted them to my Yamaha T700 rims. They were easy to install and worked flawlessly for the time I had the T7. Cheers.

[diesel pig]

Gidday DP. I fitted them to my Yamaha T700 rims. They were easy to install and worked flawlessly for the time I had the T7. Cheers.

Good to know. They were not a problem to fit?

Sorry, Re-read your your post and see you all ready mection that. Cheers

[diesel pig]

I want to fit them to newly laced Alloy rims. I figure that will be the best time to get a good seal. Hoping I am right about that.

[diesel pig]

Ok, The OUTEX tubeless kits are on their way, I have started tracking down the Alloy rims I will need. I have sproken to the wheel builder in ChCh and he will make the stainless sprokes for my set of wheels when I get them to him to build the wheels. So that is taken care of. I am keen to use Ceramic Ball Bearings in the hubs and cush drive but after checking out microbluebearing*, They only do 3 of the 5 ball bears I will need. So I am wondering if it is worth getting the the 3 microbluebearing Ceramic Ball Bearings and using 2 steel ball bearings? or is that a waste of time and money? Also is there another trustworthy maker of Ceramic Ball Bearings I could use to do the job?

*They are a outfit that Wobbly recommends and he's a man who will not put up with crap quality. He also warned that alot of proported Ceramic Ball Bearings were fake and you had to be careful of which ones you use.

[SaferRides]

I'd keep them all the same, but maybe that's just my OCD!

Personally, I would use good quality steel bearings. While ceramic bearings are superior in some ways, I doubt that the extra cost is worth it for this application.

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[diesel pig]

I'd keep them all the same, but maybe that's just my OCD!

Personally, I would use good quality steel bearings. While ceramic bearings are superior in some ways, I doubt that the extra cost is worth it for this application.

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My OCD at the moment is trying to lower the rolling resistance of my T350 so I can get the best result from the engine mods I want to do to get the best fuel economy without affecting it's present performance. All I have read have said that ceramic ball bearings do lower rolling resistance by a measured amount.

[husaberg]

My OCD at the moment is trying to lower the rolling resistance of my T350 so I can get the best result from the engine mods I want to do to get the best fuel economy without affecting it's present performance. All I have read have said that ceramic ball bearings do lower rolling resistance by a measure amount.


Well if your ocd is that bad I would say the seals eat more HP than the bearings.. Swap out to single lip teflon and ditch the sealed bearings
Pump up the ntire a bit to much, drop the carbs down to 24-26 pretty sure RZ 350s only had 26mm VM's.
Use triangular profile tires.
put in chain oiler like I posted here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wb01cxFS1bw

[SaferRides]

put in chain oiler like I posted here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wb01cxFS1bw
Unlike most chain oilers, that actually makes sense.

Not an issue on a T350, but I'd say brake pad drag is usually more of an issue than the wheel bearings. The front wheel on the R1 will spin for a while with the calipers removed, but slows very quickly after they are refitted.



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[diesel pig]

Yeah, The T350 has drum brakes front and rear. Set up well have no drag at all and work well the first time you use them. It depends on how much time has passed on wither they work as well the second time you use them.
I have a chain oiler in my shed off another bike I had. Maybe worth having a look at it, if I can fit it out of site on the T350. It may be worth using.

[pete376403]

Yeah, The T350 has drum brakes front and rear. Set up well have no drag at all and work well the first time you use them. It depends on how much time has passed on wither they work as well the second time you use them.
I have a chain oiler in my shed off another bike I had. Maybe worth having a look at it, if I can fit it out of site on the T350. It may be worth using.

O ring chains take a lot of power compared to non sealed, but the convenience outweighs the downsides

[SaferRides]

O ring chains take a lot of power compared to non sealed, but the convenience outweighs the downsidesTwo chains have lasted 50,000 km on the R1, and the second, an EK 3D, is still going strong. I'll take convenience, thanks.

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[diesel pig]

O ring chains take a lot of power compared to non sealed, but the convenience outweighs the downsides

That's why I think a X-ring may be the best way to go. Not as fictonless as a non-ring chain but better than a O-ring and based on what SaferRides said a X-ring would probably out last the bike.

[pete376403]

Two chains have lasted 50,000 km on the R1, and the second, an EK 3D, is still going strong. I'll take convenience, thanks.

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On an R1, loosing a bit of power is not really an issue...

[F5 Dave]

You will lose more power with a worn out chain. Seen power traces spike up and down on dyno with badly kept chain and sprockets.

Obviously ran 415 race chain on small cc bikes as every bit counted. Roadbike? Forget it.

[nzspokes]

How are you getting on with the tubeless kit?

Something I would like for my DR but as I have regular tyre changes, I wonder how long it would last.

[diesel pig]

How are you getting on with the tubeless kit?

Something I would like for my DR but as I have regular tyre changes, I wonder how long it would last.

Well the kits turned up just before Xmas and look good but the Alloy rims I want to use them on will not turn up until the new year so it's wait and see right now.