Charged with Dangerous Driving - You got to be kiddin me?

[Funkyfly]

Monday had a great ride, riding between 120-130. Going thru the awakino gorge a cop came around the bend, didnt really have time to hit the brakes, looked in the mirrors to see if he was turning around, no brake lights etc (cool) so i carried on at the same speed, a lot of traffic on the road. Slowing down coming into Mokau i hear this almighty siren and look in my mirrors to see a cop right on my tail, like 1cm off! i hit the brakes and pull over and the cop car comes out beside me and runs me off the road, no joke, my knee and elbow were pressed hard against his car. It took all i had to keep the car upright.

He went nuts, i think he thought i had done a runner, going on about how i was passing cars, I can say with hand on heart i never saw him, anyone whos been on this road knows there is only one place that you see see more than 500 meters ahead or behind, and i never saw him following me, anyway if i had done a runner theres no way he would have caught the GSXR!

I tried to stay cool until i knew he had written out the tickets, once he was done and i saw the charges i let rip, he accused me of doing 180kph!, took my license, also charged me with failing to stop and dangerous driving! there was no way i was travelling anywhere near that speed, i know 150s the cut off speed for loose of license so always keep under it on these roads! i asked to see the speed and all he could show me was 121kph on his radar, He was a shocker, telling me "look everyone is laughin at you now" and "I think i might arrest you" there wasnt anything i could say or do, he was hell bent on kicking me.

i was dumb struck. Has anyone else been thru this crap! I plan to go to court, I dont intend on getting done for this rubbish!

To make matter worse my dad was hit by a car while all this was going on!

Big props to Sensei for your help on the day!

[TLDV8]

all he could show me was 121kph on his radar

You would think without proof of speed there would be little to go on..unfortunately it seems like a case of Guilty until proven Innocent..Good Luck.
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I would try and find a witness who saw the car run up against you and have the guys job... like most things,just because you do a job it doesn't mean you should,this person should be removed for the publics safety.

[skelstar]

Dude that sucks. This kinda stuff encourages retaliation by means that are unlawful.

[Funkyfly]

I just hate the thought of paying for something im not guilty of! its not like a 100 dollar fine either, 6 months loss of license and up to $4,500.

Once my wife came and picked me and the bike up we went back up the road twice, i talked to a guy who lives 4km out of Mokau who was watching the traffice, he remembers seeing a bike following a car and then a pause then seeing the cop car flying past with lights etc on. he said "i thought there must have been an accident because i didnt hear or see any speeders"

i know i wasnt doing over 150, and his radar only said 121, surely if he was really following me and 180 then he would have clocked me on radar at that speed as well for proof, the fact he didnt surely adds weight to my side?

What did the radar say when you got done?

Whats with these dirty cops!!!!!!!!

[Deano]

That's rank mate.

I don't hold out much hope for you but best of luck fighting it.

[Sniper]

Bugger mate. Sounds like he got you by the short and curlies. As SM says, he got done cause the cop lied. If you take this to court you might just make it more difficult for yourself. See if you can get yourself a witness and get them to say that while you were stopped, the policeman attempted to ram you off the bike.

[bugjuice]

He didnt get me on radar.. so your fucked. he just told the court that he was driving his police car and his digital speedo was reading 208 km/h and the Suzuki was accelerating away from him at some pace. I would estimate in the vicinity of 240 to 250 km per hour.


If only it was a kawasaki, no one woulda believed him.
that hook of yours is baited well lately, huh? oh well, I'll just have to ride mine then :bleh:
still passed you a couple of times. I had to stop to let you pass again..

Sucks about the ticket too, Funk.. But like the others have said, unless you had anyone with you at the time to witness it, then it'll be your word against his. And he's a cop, which means that in the courts, he is doing this for a living so is used to it. As far as the court is concerned, unless you have some unique angle, you're just another 'dangerous driver' trying to get off a ticket..
Hardly seems fair, I'm sure, but the odds are not in your favour I'm afraid

[crashe]

May I suggest, that you PM the cops that we have on site and discuss this with them... They maybe able to suggest what you can do... or should do in this situation.

None of us are qualified to tell you what to do unless someone on here is a lawyer. But I would think either way it is gonna cost you money.
Maybe this is the time that we all carry digi camera with the 'time and date' etc on them and then you could have taken a pic of the 121km on the radar as proof you were not doing 180km.

Yep it does sux, but chat to either scumdog, bykeycop or the other cops on this site. You do have the cops number on the ticket he issued to you....

[T.W.R]

a mate of mine got done in very similar circumstances a few years ago, it went to court etc the whole 9 yards. when it comes to alledged speeds if they've got it registered on the radar there is a permanent record of it, thus an estimated speed has no weight. check the ticket thoroughly and lodge a complaint ASAP over the heavy handed tactics & the cops dangerous method of stopping you ! it will go to court for sure but all the valid facts you can muster in your defense will help you keep your licence! anyhow the system doesn't always work i rode for nearly a year with 105 demerit points, never got any letters or requested to hand my licence in etc. go and spend $700 for a Blackwidow detector ( picks everything up & identifies what it is)

[T.W.R]

consult a lawyer about the legal situation, the first 20min of any consultation with any lawyer is free! :niceone:

[ManDownUnder]

the first 20min of any consultation with any lawyer is free! :niceone:

errrr WOT?

Free only if it mean $400/hour divided into 6 mins time chunks an a minimum 1/2 hour fee...

Re the incident. Defend it AND escalate it. Take it to the Police Complaints Authority (PCA). Tell them what you told us. Get all the evidence together (like the fact you couldn't stand the bike up, the guy waited till he was 1/2 an inch off your butt before hitting the siren etc.)

If you looked in your mirror - try and recall how much (or little) of the cop car you saw. That'll give a reasonable indication of how far the cop was when you first heard him.

Sounds like unsafe practice to me. Don't know how it would be justified but if there IS a justification for it - find out what it is. If it's wrong take THAT to the PCA as well.

I'm a fan of people being accountable for their actions - and if you were in the wrong - you get to pay... y'know - for what you actually did. Get the cop to confirm the speed reading, how it was done and the records etc.

ANYTHING you disagree with - goes to the PCA. This cop may have a history... and this little incident gets added to the file.

Good luck chap.
MDU

[HenryDorsetCase]

consult a lawyer about the legal situation, the first 20min of any consultation with any lawyer is free! :niceone:

like hell it is......

I dont know any more about this area of law than anyone else,my recommendation is to find out who your local expert traffic law person is, pay some money, and get their opinion. then take their advice....

good luck

[**R1**]

ring these guys

Police complaints 0800 503 728, I rang them once from the side of the road, I had some dipshit copper try doing me for an unclocked speed, so I rang these guys and was telling them what was going on while he was writing out the ticket, I got a warning insted of a ticket...the story is a lot longer but I cant be arsed typing it....

try it, these guys are indepenant of the coppers...

[Unit]

These situations always brings up debate, which is great, but sorry its at your expense. I guess from some of the cops points of view they see some bikers that are genuinely dangerous, and its their job to keep the fatality toll down in their area. For those of us who ride with care, but still over the speed limit, being tarred with the same brush as the dangerous riders sucks. I firmly believe bikes (like trucks, but they are restricted to slower speeds) should have a different speed limit to adhere to, that is, one slightly faster, say 120kms on open highway. Lets face it, all of us with grunt bikes can, and generally do cruise around the 120km mark quite happily. We become de-sensitised to our speed just as much as the cops do to speeding bikers. Im not condoning the cops actions by any means, if he had been the cause for your bike to get damaged in the process of pulling over, well, I hate to think how some of us would have reacted had the same happened given how passionate we are about our precious bikes. There are cops who genuinely hate bikers and are out to get us, there are bikers who give us a bad reputation and reinforce cops point of view. I hope you are able to at least have some of your charges dismissed, and may I suggest how much danger did the cop create trying to catch up with you? We all know how easy it is to slide past cars on our travels, and place quite a number of them between us and the pursuing cop, even when we're not trying!!! Keep us posted with the outcome

[DMNTD]

...there are bikers who give us a bad reputation and reinforce cops point of view.

Hope ya weren't referring to me :wait:

[skelstar]

It makes me wonder that if you were doing 180km/h when he passed you, you didnt slow down because you were 'evading capture', you didnt see his brake lights in your rear-view mirror, AND he caught up with you?!?!?...how friggin fast did he have to travel to keep up?

Fuck me that would have to be fast! Esp if you didnt notice he was there until the last moment.

[R6_kid]

that really fucks me off dude... on my way back from Thames on sunday i was following a copper that had been stickered up for the Targa Rally as a safety/scout car. I had 116-120 on my digital speedo the whole time, at one stage i was doing 130 and only just holding him (about 30m back).

Then as we get into town (auckland on the motorway) by the wellesley street offramp he floors it (and i chased him) saw 165 on my speedo in an 80kmh zone and he was making ground on me! This littled blat lasted around 10sec before he hit the anchors, changed across two lanes and went off to the western motorway at 75kmh.

Now this car was HP, stickered with slogans like 'street safe', 'protecting communities'...

YEH FUCKING RIGHT MATE!

[Beemer]

I can't see how you could be doing the speed he alleged you were doing on a winding road with other traffic if he could catch up with you within a short space of time, but even having said that, the likelihood of getting off all the charges is pretty slim. Unfortunately it always comes down to their word against yours, and theirs holds more weight.

As for the police complaints authority - I've found them a waste of time, they tend to come down on the side of the cops more often than not. I made a complaint about a cop ringing me up and harassing me and apart from interviewing me, nothing happened because he denied it. I'm not sure what I expected, but they didn't even check his phone records. And I thought they were cops anyway, despite being a separate entity?

As for that cop with the safety messages - I got overtaken by a woman in an ACC car covered in road safety messages recently. She was tailgating, speeding and overtaking in unsafe spots - the message was obviously "do as I say, not as I do!"

[R6_kid]

It makes me wonder that if you were doing 180km/h when he passed you, you didnt slow down because you were 'evading capture', you didnt see his brake lights in your rear-view mirror, AND he caught up with you?!?!?...how friggin fast did he have to travel to keep up?

Fuck me that would have to be fast! Esp if you didnt notice he was there until the last moment.

tis a well known fact that most police patrol cars will take any oppurtunity to 'legally' speed... if that means waiting a minute or two before turning aroung to chase you, some of them will just so they can go a bit faster. Of course this doesnt go for all of them - there are some good cops out there too.

[ManDownUnder]

tis a well known fact that most police patrol cars will take any oppurtunity to 'legally' speed... if that means waiting a minute or two before turning aroung to chase you, some of them will just so they can go a bit faster. Of course this doesnt go for all of them - there are some good cops out there too.

But surely that would only apply if the roads were "fun"... just like the ones around Awakino....

[Funkyfly]

Well it turns out the owner of the Awakino service station saw this cop that was after me driving like a lunitic, he called 111 and made a complaint, they told him he had to put it in writing which he is going to do. He doesnt remember see a bike travelling at a speed which concerned him.

I also have a witness who saw the cop run me off the road.

Along with the witness who said there was 500 meters between the bike he saw and the cop car will hopefully provide the foundation for me to defend and lay a complaint.

I know there were a lot of bikers out Yesterday (Monday) so if you know anyone who might have been riding between New Plymouth and Tekuiti please let me know.

[Lou Girardin]

It'll cost you to defend it, but it's your only real choice. Definitely complain to the PCA, if only to create a shit load of paperwork.
Stories like this just make people more inclined to run.

[crashe]

Get the service station dude to keep a copy of his complaint and ask him if he could give you a copy of it as well.
Make sure that he dates the copies...

[ManDownUnder]

Well it turns out the owner of the Awakino service station saw this cop that was after me driving like a lunitic, he called 111 and made a complaint, they told him he had to put it in writing which he is going to do. He doesnt remember see a bike travelling at a speed which concerned him.

I also have a witness who saw the cop run me off the road.

Along with the witness who said there was 500 meters between the bike he saw and the cop car will hopefully provide the foundation for me to defend and lay a complaint.

I know there were a lot of bikers out Yesterday (Monday) so if you know anyone who might have been riding between New Plymouth and Tekuiti please let me know.

Make sure you have everything documented and in order before you start this thing off... get the name of the guy from the Awakino peytrol station, copy of the complaint yada yada yada.

Name and date it all, contact numbers all round... the more complete your case is, the more stupid the opther guys looks...

oh yeah - whenever possible, let the other guy - the cop - speak first (which is what he did in giving you a ticket). It's a tactical advantage to know what you need to refute...

... when you speak first, the cop in question has the option to elaborate on a particular point or not... and if you have witnessess they may well choose to keep quiet about bits of it.

Good luck chap

[Unit]

Hope ya weren't referring to me :wait:
No hun, wasnt referring to you, your too stealth (word for the day) to be seen

[XP@]

good luck with the defense mate!

Suggest you get a good traffic lawer (Des Deacon in wellington is the best here)

going to suggest a big brother thing here, but if there were cameras in the cop cars you would probably not be in this situation...

[DemonWolf]

Definately good luck defending this dude.

[Patrick]

You have witnesses. You have their details. You saw 121 on the radar. He was probably doing 180 to catch you? You also have the PCA. The cops number will be on the ticket. (PM me on this if you want...) What you also have is the option of requesting a copy of the radio transmissions from this cop and the Communication Centre of the "pursuit." These are kept for one month only though (I believe) so make the PCA and demand a copy of this "transmission" and of the file under the Official Information Act. Verbal request is fine, don't need written (and if they argue this, point that out to them...any request must be acted on within 20 working days).

[DemonWolf]

Good stuff Patrick... =)

[Patrick]

... I firmly believe bikes (like trucks, but they are restricted to slower speeds) should have a different speed limit to adhere to, that is, one slightly faster, say 120kms on open highway.

HUH???? Does this mean V8 nitrous powered and boy racer types can also do 190 because they can do so easily???

What if farmer Joe pulls out of his slightly hidden drive with the tractor and bailer forks sticking out front because he "didn't see you" doing your 120???

[HenryDorsetCase]

errrr WOT?

Free only if it mean $400/hour divided into 6 mins time chunks an a minimum 1/2 hour fee...

Good luck chap.
MDU

$400 an hour ??? I want to come join your firm!

my charge out rate is SIGNIFICANTLY less than that. $400/hr would be a senior person in a big firm, or barrister rates (QC's would get more...)

but I do agree with the thrust of what you are saying.

[XP@]

i hit the brakes and pull over and the cop car comes out beside me and runs me off the road, no joke, my knee and elbow were pressed hard against his car. It took all i had to keep the car upright.
Does anyone know what the legal implications would have been if the cop had knocked FF off the bike?


PS hope your dad is ok?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Does anyone know what the legal implications would have been if the cop had knocked FF off the bike?


PS hope your dad is ok?

sounds like careless use (possibly causing injury) to me.

unless of course the force was justified because of the perp resisting arrest....

:mellow:

[HenryDorsetCase]

just to veer off on a tangent slightly, my view is that there shouldnt be any such thing as demerit points.

if you choose to break the speed limit, you pay the (in)appropriate fine. Its velocity tax. If you do something stupid, its either careless, reckless or dangerous, and punished appropriately.

demerit points are just some form filler's attempt to stop anyone having any fun.




I have a clean licence (at present) by the way.

[spudchucka]

tis a well known fact that most police patrol cars will take any oppurtunity to 'legally' speed... if that means waiting a minute or two before turning aroung to chase you, some of them will just so they can go a bit faster.
What TV show did you pluck that bullshit from?

[Patrick]

tis a well known fact that most police patrol cars will take any oppurtunity to 'legally' speed... if that means waiting a minute or two before turning aroung to chase you, some of them will just so they can go a bit faster. Of course this doesnt go for all of them - there are some good cops out there too.

Sometimes we just gotta rush to get to the donut shop, especially when the specials are on...to beat the crowds, you know?

[Zed]

... i hear this almighty siren and look in my mirrors to see a cop right on my tail, like 1cm off! i hit the brakes and pull over and the cop car comes out beside me and runs me off the road, no joke, my knee and elbow were pressed hard against his car. It took all i had to keep the car upright.If this account is true, I'd fight it with every breath I could muster!

Get a good lawyer son, and I hope you can get off some of the erroneous charges! :niceone:

[Pixie]

Sometimes we just gotta rush to get to the donut shop, especially when the specials are on...to beat the crowds, you know?
Mmmmmmm.........donuts

[Funkyfly]

You have witnesses. You have their details. You saw 121 on the radar. He was probably doing 180 to catch you? You also have the PCA. The cops number will be on the ticket. (PM me on this if you want...) What you also have is the option of requesting a copy of the radio transmissions from this cop and the Communication Centre of the "pursuit." These are kept for one month only though (I believe) so make the PCA and demand a copy of this "transmission" and of the file under the Official Information Act. Verbal request is fine, don't need written (and if they argue this, point that out to them...any request must be acted on within 20 working days).

Thanks for that patrick, and others for your imformation. Most appreciated.

[Oakie]

just to veer off on a tangent slightly, my view is that there shouldnt be any such thing as demerit points.

if you choose to break the speed limit, you pay the (in)appropriate fine. Its velocity tax. If you do something stupid, its either careless, reckless or dangerous, and punished appropriately.

demerit points are just some form filler's attempt to stop anyone having any fun.

I have a clean licence (at present) by the way.

As a deterrent, I disagree

I got my first speeding ticket in 23 years last night and the $120 it's going to cost me wouldn't slow me down but the 20 demerit points has. $120 is nothing much, but with the demerits I'll remember that for the next two years my licence is 20% gone.

[marty]

The other thing you can try is bargain. Go to court and tell the prosecuting Sergent you will plead guilty to Exceeding 100kph. No lose of licence.. just a fine and court costs.. maybe an option.

that would be my advice too.

how far from where he pinged you til where he stopped you?

at 180km/h (that's 3km/min), someone catching you would have to be travelling at 240km/h (4km/min) for about 10kms, before they caught up. 1, that's impossible; 2, that does lend weight to the 111 callers story (which may or may not be in your favour.)

what is in your favour is the 120-odd speed you were tracked at (2km/min), taking a patrol car at 180 (3km/min) about 8 to 10 k to catch you.

and i'd be appealing the 28 day suspension asap. you have to go to court for that though.

[marty]

and i'd be talking to that prosecutor loooong before you got to court. is it new plymouth or te kuiti? probably new plymouth.

another thing to ask is, did he call in a pursuit/fails to stop? the audio makes for interesting listening, especially the speeds he's calling (can hardly say he caught a bike doing 180 if he never called going over 160....). you'll want to get onto that one - PCA can get it straight away (for them to listen to - you (may) get a transcript)

[Postie]

Slowing down coming into Mokau i hear this almighty siren and look in my mirrors to see a cop right on my tail, like 1cm off! i hit the brakes and pull over and the cop car comes out beside me and runs me off the road, no joke, my knee and elbow were pressed hard against his car. It took all i had to keep the car upright.



if the police can charge someone as using a car as a weapon here (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1&ObjectID=10351891) then surely you should have a similar case

[Funkyfly]

and i'd be talking to that prosecutor loooong before you got to court. is it new plymouth or te kuiti? probably new plymouth.

another thing to ask is, did he call in a pursuit/fails to stop? the audio makes for interesting listening, especially the speeds he's calling (can hardly say he caught a bike doing 180 if he never called going over 160....). you'll want to get onto that one - PCA can get it straight away (for them to listen to - you (may) get a transcript)

This is all good stuff, but i have spent the last 2 hours on phones and got nothing.

I called the PCA (0800 503 728) and the lady said they dont give out any information, all she could give me was the P.O Box to write too with my complaint and they would consider it. I would have to talk to the police, not the complaint auth

I then found out the officers names and called his supeior officer (Hamilton), he said i cant get anything (officers notes or audio) until the court summons and that would be about 8 weeks!

Its like im getting the brush off!

[HenryDorsetCase]

This is all good stuff, but i have spent the last 2 hours on phones and got nothing.

I called the PCA (0800 503 728) and the lady said they dont give out any information, all she could give me was the P.O Box to write too with my complaint!

I then found out the officers names and called his supeior officer (Hamilton), he said i cant get anything (officers notes or audio) until the court summons and that would be about 8 weeks!

Its like im getting the brush off!


my advice is do not phone anyone. Make written requests. a) because you have to and b) because you are dealing with the gummint, and they only respond to writing. Also paper trail and written submissions might be useful later.

It also would look better (maybe) coming on a lawyers letterhead. Shows you are serious.

that 8 weeks (just before christmas, yeah right...) will fly by. Dont worry, the wheels of justice grind slow, but they do grind very fine.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Yeah gotta agree there Oakie. Makes it an even playing field for all.. even the wealthy. Other wise all the rich buggers could speed everywhere and just keep paying fines.


ah, how is that a bad thing? "Rich" people will have better cars and bikes which can go faster safer, surely?

[MSTRS]

The cop wasn't (the son of?) a cop by the name of Hunt, by any chance? I heard he was an officious little shitbag in NP some years ago. He was so disliked by the community that someone saw their chance when this prick walked between his patrolcar & the someone's car that he had stopped. Figure out the rest.

[gamgee]

ah, how is that a bad thing? "Rich" people will have better cars and bikes which can go faster safer, surely?

that doesn't mean they are better drivers, what it sounds like your saying is, 'who cares about everyone else, as long as my car is safe, it doesn't matter if i crash and kill a family, at least i'll be safe!'

[Hoon]

i was dumb struck. Has anyone else been thru this crap! I plan to go to court, I dont intend on getting done for this rubbish!

You need to ask yourself how much you are prepared to spend defending this. If your answer is "whatever it takes" then go for it but if it is "as little as possible" then you may be better off taking it on the chin.

From only hearing one side of the story it sounds like at best you were speeding at 121kph, but I suspect that the cops version of events will be very different to yours.

His summary of the facts will no doubt be very detailed and totally damning. You say you didn't know he was there, he may say something like he "pursued you for 3 kms at speeds over 180kph during which time you crossed the centreline 9 times and passed 3 vehicles on the wrong side of the road with less than 100m of clear lane visible and failed to indicate 2 of those times".

You could possible get the 180kph speeding ticket reduced but I think you will have a hard time with the Dangerous driving but don't take my word on it. You are best off getting a lawyer (and your cheque book!).

[Lou Girardin]

HUH???? Does this mean V8 nitrous powered and boy racer types can also do 190 because they can do so easily???

What if farmer Joe pulls out of his slightly hidden drive with the tractor and bailer forks sticking out front because he "didn't see you" doing your 120???

Good point, let's drop the limit to 4 mph (red flag optional) then every blind prick in the world won't have an excuse.

[Lou Girardin]

This is all good stuff, but i have spent the last 2 hours on phones and got nothing.

I called the PCA (0800 503 728) and the lady said they dont give out any information, all she could give me was the P.O Box to write too with my complaint and they would consider it. I would have to talk to the police, not the complaint auth

I then found out the officers names and called his supeior officer (Hamilton), he said i cant get anything (officers notes or audio) until the court summons and that would be about 8 weeks!

Its like im getting the brush off!

If I recall correctly the suspension can be appealed immediately.

[Blackbird]

REMOVED BY THE "REAL" BLACKBIRD. SEE POST BELOW AND THREAD ON BREACH OF ETIQUETTE

[Blackbird]

THE POST ABOVE IS NOT MINE - PEOPLE WHO KNOW ME KNOW I WOULD NEVER MAKE SUCH A POST - WILL BE STRAIGHT ONTO SPANKME TO SEE IF THERE'S A WAY OF TRACKING DOWN HOW THIS CAN BE DONE WITHOUT MY PERMISSION. SUCH A BREACH IS BLOODY SERIOUS AND I'LL BE FOLLOWING THIS UP.
Geoff

[XP@]

Looks like you were exceptionally lucky!

Motorcyclist Convicted In Trooper's Death
http://news.tbo.com/news/MGB78DCW4FE.html

[marty]

If I recall correctly the suspension can be appealed immediately.

it can - it's already happening. it takes a few days to get it to court though (appeal is heard in the district court nearest to where the offence happened)

[sefer]

The first thing I'd be doing is writing in to the place written on your ticket, explain the situation and ask for all charges to be withdrawn (assuming you don't want to take the issues further). Won't cost you a thing bar a stamp to start with, and you can make an requst for all the documents pertaining to the charges at the same time (officer notes ect). Make sure you send in any witness statements you can get hold of too.

Two words of advice however,
1. Ask someone in the know what info to ask for (for starters, officer notes, speedo tests, laser/radar tests). They will provide you with all this provided you ask in writing, but don't expect to recieve anything you didn't specificly ask for (they tend to be bastards that way).

2. Do it now, you have 56 days (or it might be 60, check that out on your ticket. It's 28 initally and another 28 after the warning notice) to request a hearing, after that it goes to the courts and there is jack-shit you can do. They won't be speedy in their reply, so start things off asap.

Hope you manage to sort it out.

[froggyfrenchman]

My God! that is some seriously wrong police work there! fight it with all you got! Wish you the best of luck mate

[Trow]

Hey mate, the same thing happened to me 3 years ago back in scotland, I was heading to work at 10 in the morning (called out the night before so had a lie in) on my bike and according to the cop that stopped me, he had been chasing me for 18 miles! when I asked him about the fact he never had his blue light on he told me that he wanted to see how far I would go! he then did me for dangerous driving.. I thought it was the job of the police to stop people driving dangerously asap!!! then in court the procurator fiscle said the conditions were wet <LIE> there was traffic around <LIE> and that he was doing 130+ MPH and he couldn't catch me <LIE>!!!! he was in a 1.7 turbo Diesel car and I was on the Bandit 1200, o.k so I was able to do that kind of speed but he certainly wasn't!! the judge even questioned that!
They were going to send me to prison for 6 months (with no evidence of speed) but I got away with it by seeing a physciatrist, handing my license over and paying a 800 pound fine!! he then told me I had to re sit my license at the end of the year!!! what got me with that is drink drivers get a ban for a year then get there license handed back to them! totaly crazy.

At the end of the day the police will always win due to the bullshit they pad there story out with!

sorry to hear you are going through another BS police problem, I have no time for British police whatsoever now, I do however have time for the New Zealand police, so far they have been polite and correct each time I have been stopped. although I am yet to meet the black sheep!!

p.s.
sorry for the long post :cool:

[SuperDave]

That sucks the big one man. As you said you were going under 130kph the whole time so if I was you I would most certainly argue this. You have that independent witness like you said which will only do you good in court. The details which you have shared with us all lie in your favour the way I see it. The difference between your situation and Speedmedic's is that although the cop in his case lied, he was going over 150kph.

Hope this works out for you man.

[k14]

that would be my advice too.

how far from where he pinged you til where he stopped you?

at 180km/h (that's 3km/min), someone catching you would have to be travelling at 240km/h (4km/min) for about 10kms, before they caught up. 1, that's impossible; 2, that does lend weight to the 111 callers story (which may or may not be in your favour.)

what is in your favour is the 120-odd speed you were tracked at (2km/min), taking a patrol car at 180 (3km/min) about 8 to 10 k to catch you.

and i'd be appealing the 28 day suspension asap. you have to go to court for that though.
Yeah definately work that one out. Find out the distance from when he first spotted you and when he caught you. Then work out the speeds he would have had to be doing to catch up in that amount of time. Specially if you can get the transcripts of him calling in the speed then you will be able to work out your average speed (assuming he is calling in the actual speed he was doing). That will be a sure fire way to determine your average speed from point of contact to where he stopped you.

Oh yeah, did you get a name? I know one of the hp guys from np.

[T.W.R]

like hell it is......

I dont know any more about this area of law than anyone else,my recommendation is to find out who your local expert traffic law person is, pay some money, and get their opinion. then take their advice....

good luck

you'll actually find that the majority of public law lawyers will do a 20min consultation at no charge! they'll will charge if you enlist them to represent you.
also the citizen's advice bureau have appointed lawyers for free consultations on thursday evenings after 6pm! you just have to wait in line to see them! :finger:

[nicmotors]

This could be the "No Zinnging" cop on a really bad hair day. I reckon all the cop can do you for is the 121kpH as that is all he has the proof of.

Take it to court mate Stick to your guns, cops don't (as far as i know) have speed cameras mounted in their heads, so all that he can present in the court is what he has the proof for. E.G time location and the 121 kp.h radar readout.

[WINJA]

SADLY THE PIGS ARE THE MOST LIEING CHEATING BULLSHIT ARTISTS OUT THERE , THEY EVEN LIE IN COURT UNDER OATH , YOU SHOULD SEE HIM AFTER HOURS AND SORT THAT FUCKER OUT GOOD AND PROPER, AS THINGS ARE YOU WOULDA BEEN BETTER OFF TO NAIL IT EVEN WHEN HE WAS ON YOUR TAIL YOU WOULDA BEEN NO WORSE OFF , FUCK THE PIGS

[SPman]

Oh yeah, did you get a name? I know one of the hp guys from np.
Not f**kin Sean!?

[k14]

SADLY THE PIGS ARE THE MOST LIEING CHEATING BULLSHIT ARTISTS OUT THERE , THEY EVEN LIE IN COURT UNDER OATH , YOU SHOULD SEE HIM AFTER HOURS AND SORT THAT FUCKER OUT GOOD AND PROPER, AS THINGS ARE YOU WOULDA BEEN BETTER OFF TO NAIL IT EVEN WHEN HE WAS ON YOUR TAIL YOU WOULDA BEEN NO WORSE OFF , FUCK THE PIGS
Yeah exactly, thats the worst thing about it. Cases like this bring doubt into people's minds when they get caught, the "is this cop a lying bastard" thought runs through their minds and then the decision is made that its not worth it to stop so they gun it and loose him. So due to their past experience of a cop bullshitting or their mate getting done because of a crooked cop they do a runner and make it less safer for them and everyone else on the road.

Sadly I think funkfly is in a loose loose situation. Definately take it as far as you can, you don't want to die wondering but we hear stories time and time again of this happening. Then winja's idea doesn't sound so bad :whistle:

[k14]

Not f**kin Sean!?
Nope, mark, he's a good guy and I would be very very surprised if he did this.

[**R1**]

there are some good cops out there too.Dead ones??????

[WINJA]

Dead ones??????
:niceone: GREEN REP FOR YOU , ARE YOU SURE YOU AINT MY BROTHER?

[**R1**]

:niceone: GREEN REP FOR YOU , ARE YOU SURE YOU AINT MY BROTHER?duno, do you ride like a mad man and run from the coppers? could be.

[enigma51]

I think someone was complaining about cop around that area in a different thread (zinging thread). Might be the same one!

But in any case it looks like there is a cop down south who has his target set on bikers so take care boys and girls

[myvice]

Good luck!
Its not fare to tar all the cops with the same brush tho...
It’s just the 98% that give the rest a bad name...
Soon we'll have 18 year olds chasing us!
Do you think I'm gunna stop for some teen nazi and call him sir?
Not a fucking chance!
Radar detector and a Nos bottle, cheaper than a day in court and losing my licence!

[Indoo]

:niceone: GREEN REP FOR YOU , ARE YOU SURE YOU AINT MY BROTHER?

Unlikely, most parents stop after the first retarded child.

See the evidence in the disclosure at your first appearence before you make any decision to plead to anything or defend anything.

[WINJA]

Unlikely, most parents stop after the first retarded child.

See the evidence in the disclosure at your first appearence before you make any decision to plead to anything or defend anything.
WHATEVER HOMO , DO YOU RIDE OR JUST TALK , HOWS THE JOB AT MCDONALDS LOSER ?

[TLDV8]

Unlikely, most parents stop after the first retarded child.
.


That hit the nail on the head...Rep on the way.

[WINJA]

That hit the nail on the head...Rep on the way.
:whocares: 50 YEAR OLD BOILER MAKER MONKEY CALLING ME A TARD THATS FUNNY,DUDE YOUR A CHIMP THAT JOINS BITS OF STEEL TOGETHER

[TLDV8]

:whocares: 50 YEAR OLD BOILER MAKER MONKEY CALLING ME A TARD THATS FUNNY,DUDE YOUR A CHIMP THAT JOINS BITS OF STEEL TOGETHER

I already told you once Troll..it might impress the squid's for some Rep..i've heard it all before newbie :zzzz:

[Zed]

That hit the nail on the head...I second that!

Indoo & TLDV8, green bling coming your way, these cop haters are the scum of society! :argh:

[Funkyfly]

Yeah definately work that one out. Find out the distance from when he first spotted you and when he caught you. Then work out the speeds he would have had to be doing to catch up in that amount of time. Specially if you can get the transcripts of him calling in the speed then you will be able to work out your average speed (assuming he is calling in the actual speed he was doing). That will be a sure fire way to determine your average speed from point of contact to where he stopped you.

Oh yeah, did you get a name? I know one of the hp guys from np.

He is a hamilton cop mate. I having trouble getting the officers notes and the audio transcripts, i was told 8 weeks! i want to appeal my 28 day suspension ASAP!

[Funkyfly]

This could be the "No Zinnging" cop on a really bad hair day. I reckon all the cop can do you for is the 121kpH as that is all he has the proof of.

Take it to court mate Stick to your guns, cops don't (as far as i know) have speed cameras mounted in their heads, so all that he can present in the court is what he has the proof for. E.G time location and the 121 kp.h radar readout.

I wish this was the case, the court will take the cops word as truth, he only has to say he was following me at 180, its up to me to prove he was wrong! and hell the hell do you do that?!? its just total crap!

[marty]

make the appeal anyway. tomorrow if possible. they will be required to provide the details, as under S101 of the LT Act, the Director must either dismiss or allow the appeal within 5 days of the appeal being lodged, and it can't be dismissed just cause the police did not provide their evidence, in fact it would be more than likely allowed if that was the case, and your licence returned.

[marty]

it's section 101(b) of the Land Transport Act 1998 that you want to appeal on. I've just had a proper look, and the initial appeal is only heard by the 'director' (``Director'' means the Director of Land Transport . . . appointed under section 186: ). If you're not happy with his decision, THEN you appeal to the district court.

[marty]

so if you lodge the appeal tomorrow, you'll know by wednesday next week (5 working days)

[WINJA]

I second that!

Indoo & TLDV8, green bling coming your way, these cop haters are the scum of society! :argh:
NAH MATE FAGS HIDING BEHIND THEIR BIBLES ARE THE REAL SCUM, IM TALKIN ABOUT YOU ZED YA FUCKIN FAG , OOHHHH I LOVE YOU JESUS

[Zed]

...OOHHHH I LOVE YOU JESUS...and He loves you too, despite your murderous imaginations to those in authority over you. :bash:

[gamgee]

NAH MATE FAGS HIDING BEHIND THEIR BIBLES ARE THE REAL SCUM, IM TALKIN ABOUT YOU ZED YA FUCKIN FAG , OOHHHH I LOVE YOU JESUS
jesus loves you

[WINJA]

...and He loves you too, despite your murderous imaginations to those in authority over you. :bash:
GET OVER IT ZED , JESUS IS JUST A GAY CARPENTER WHO TALKED TO MUCH , AND NOW HES DEAD OK

[WINJA]

jesus loves you
AAAHHHH IT BURNS IT BURNS :devil2:

[soundbeltfarm]

good luck mate.
i had a similar thing happen to me a few yaers back.
an off duty cop reckon i was dangerous driving. he came saw me 3 monthes after it had happened because he was on compo and stood at my door saying i should remember my actions i was like mate i dont remember shit i done 3 days ago let alone 3 monthes.
my dog wanted a piece of him and he wasn't in uniform i so wanted to give the dog his hold call and say i thought he was impersonating a cop.
he had to leave patea station because all the bloody bros wanted to give him a bitch slap.
i paid the fine was 150 i think and 20 or 25 demerits.

[Funkyfly]

it's section 101(b) of the Land Transport Act 1998 that you want to appeal on. I've just had a proper look, and the initial appeal is only heard by the 'director' (``Director'' means the Director of Land Transport . . . appointed under section 186: ). If you're not happy with his decision, THEN you appeal to the district court.

Cool, thanks for that, i rang the 0800 number on the back of the license suspension to ask for the forms, 48 hours they said! thats two days!

Then i have to post em to Palmerston North, thats another day or two.

I really wanted disclosure before i appealed because i havent seen the evidence, i need to know what the cop is gonna say.

[Sensei]

Will here I was passing tho Mokau to see this Kool dude & bike parked up on the side of the road . Shit it's Funkyfly so turned round to say Hi . What's up i said looking at a not very happy faced Lee . Just lost me licence !! Say what ??? Funkyfly run's me through what had just happend & then tells me that his dad had come off up the road so of I went to see what i could do to help . Get to the spot to see the Cop that had just taken Lee's licenec giving me the the Hell look as if he's back riding his bike { Own the same Silver GSXR1000 as Funkyfly } go over to lee's dad & get thing's sorted as best i can then jumped back on the beast & headed back to Mokau stopping at the Awakino pub for a couple of Speight's as I thought Lee could do with a beer about now . Pulled up & filled Funkyfly in with how has Dad was & what was happening there The rest is just talking about what had just gone down while we drank our beers . Called up to check out Mr Funkyfly at Hosp's that night was abit battered but all together great to see . Hope all goes well Lee with figthing this Crap of a Ticket

[Funkyfly]

Will here I was passing tho Mokau to see this Kool dude & bike parked up on the side of the road . Shit it's Funkyfly so turned round to say Hi . What's up i said looking at a not very happy faced Lee . Just lost me licence !! Say what ??? Funkyfly run's me through what had just happend & then tells me that his dad had come off up the road so of I went to see what i could do to help . Get to the spot to see the Cop that had just taken Lee's licenec giving me the the Hell look as if he's back riding his bike { Own the same Silver GSXR1000 as Funkyfly } go over to lee's dad & get thing's sorted as best i can then jumped back on the beast & headed back to Mokau stopping at the Awakino pub for a couple of Speight's as I thought Lee could do with a beer about now . Pulled up & filled Funkyfly in with how has Dad was & what was happening there The rest is just talking about what had just gone down while we drank our beers . Called up to check out Mr Funkyfly at Hosp's that night was abit battered but all together great to see . Hope all goes well Lee with figthing this Crap of a Ticket

Thanks bud, was good to see you, hey you didnt catch the name of any bikers at the pub did you?, i figure they may have seen me go past and might shed some light of things.

Good to see you been giving the GIXXER some treats!

[Sensei]

Nah sorry Dude just stopped for the beer's & left . Could try putting a Ad in the paper for anyone that may have seen it from Seaview motor camp ??

[erik]

Good luck with fighting the b*stard.

[Biff]

tis a well known fact that most police patrol cars will take any oppurtunity to 'legally' speed...

It's true. I know because a bloke down the pub told me.

Bloody police. Any excuse for a some fun. Just like those damned sprots motormacycle drivers. Except those pesky police get paid for it. And they get fancy lights and company issue handlebar moustachos. Apparently the ladies like them. Lucky bastards.

:ride:

[Brian d marge]

ring these guys

Police complaints 0800 503 728, I rang them once from the side of the road, I ..

Hey thats a good one maybe we should all have it on speed dial ....and if they guy writin the ticket aint being proffesional ...it may help in some way

Stephen

[John]

GET OVER IT ZED , JESUS IS JUST A GAY CARPENTER WHO TALKED TO MUCH , AND NOW HES DEAD OK

.......................loljesus.com

[inlinefour]

How can these idiots get away with this sort of shyte and then expect the community to have any sort of respect for the Police force as a whole??? Thanks AaronR1, I've put that phone number on my cellphone list and if I am stopped without good cause in cellphone coverage, I'll be using it :niceone:

[scumdog]

:niceone: GREEN REP FOR YOU , ARE YOU SURE YOU AINT MY BROTHER?

Probably is - from the same spit-drop sized gene-pool eh!!!!

[avgas]

Best of luck there mate - dont bother writting into complain about fines either. Have more luck winning lotto.
Cop sounds like a jerk - one with issues. Most cops dont go off the wall at you

[WINJA]

Probably is - from the same spit-drop sized gene-pool eh!!!!
YOU ARE A FUCKEN USELESS COP AND ME AND AARON ARE SKILLED PROFESSIONALS (WHO CANT SPELL) YET PRICKS LIKE YOU ARE CALLING US TARDS ETC , YOUR A WASTE OF SPACE , I COULD DO YOUR JOB STANDING ON MY HEAD YOU COULD DO NEITHER ME OR AARONS JOB , IF WE CAME FROM A SPIT SIZED GENE POOL WHERE THE FUCK DID YOU LOSERES COME FROM ?

[Lou Girardin]

I second that!

Indoo & TLDV8, green bling coming your way, these cop haters are the scum of society! :argh:

If the story that started this thread is true, then there's another one on the way.

[marty]

Cool, thanks for that, i rang the 0800 number on the back of the license suspension to ask for the forms, 48 hours they said! thats two days!

Then i have to post em to Palmerston North, thats another day or two.

I really wanted disclosure before i appealed because i havent seen the evidence, i need to know what the cop is gonna say.

check your pms - all the info is in there as how to get the forms today, and lodge them at your LOCAL LTNZ office TODAY - they don't have to go to P North.

the quicker you do it, the less opportunity the 5-0 will have to prepare. don't fuck around then complain that the system moves slowly.

[texmo]

What do you do WINJA and aaron?

[WINJA]

What do you do WINJA and aaron?
IM A PROFESSIONAL MOTHER FUCKER

[Biff]

IM A PROFESSIONAL MOTHER FUCKER

And Aaron is a stunt double for Ron Jeremy.

[WINJA]

And Aaron is a stunt double for Ron Jeremy.
HEY , I WANT THAT JOB , AS LONG AS I DONT HAVE TO POKE LIZ SHAW

[Kickaha]

HEY , I WANT THAT JOB , AS LONG AS I DONT HAVE TO POKE LIZ SHAW


She told me you already had,but Biff was better :yes:

[madboy]

Funky, hard luck mate. I sympathise with ya. I'd fight it on principle, but I don't value your chances.

Personally, I've had the pigs lie under oath on the stand, and lie to the pig investigating for the PCA. And the investigator for the PCA (a snr sgt stationed at the same station as the officers I complained about) didn't believe a word I, or my parents said. Until the photos came out, and he even tried arguing them for a few minutes too - cos HIS officers couldn't have lied to HIM! Then he softened his stance. But it was pure luck that we had photos. Without 'em, we were pissing into the wind.

People wonder why my first reaction on seeing a cop is to twist the throttle harder... Makes a great case for no plate and run every time.

[**R1**]

And Aaron is a stunt double for Ron Jeremy.SSSSSSHhhhhhhh, I was, but i got fired when they told me I had to have a 12 inch cock, and I told them I wasnt cutting 3inches off for no mutha fuka...

[Patrick]

The cop wasn't (the son of?) a cop by the name of Hunt, by any chance? I heard he was an officious little shitbag in NP some years ago. He was so disliked by the community that someone saw their chance when this prick walked between his patrolcar & the someone's car that he had stopped. Figure out the rest.


Was his first name Big?

[Patrick]

YOU ARE A FUCKEN USELESS COP AND ME AND AARON ARE SKILLED PROFESSIONALS (WHO CANT SPELL) YET PRICKS LIKE YOU ARE CALLING US TARDS ETC , YOUR A WASTE OF SPACE , I COULD DO YOUR JOB STANDING ON MY HEAD YOU COULD DO NEITHER ME OR AARONS JOB , IF WE CAME FROM A SPIT SIZED GENE POOL WHERE THE FUCK DID YOU LOSERES COME FROM ?

They're screaming out for recruits...why not apply and show everyone how good you are???? Or is it just "talk".... :shit:

[mstriumph]

:calm:
chances are that sooner or later everyone will run into a member of the policeforce that misuses his/her position to bolster up his/her own pathetic little ego

i know i have

it doesn't mean that all police are bad, corrupt, lying pondslime ... just that one.

ok rant over.. :done:

[WINJA]

They're screaming out for recruits...why not apply and show everyone how good you are???? Or is it just "talk".... :shit:
I WAS CONSIDERING IT AND GOT A RECRUITMENT PACK SENT TO ME , THEN I FOUND OUT WHAT YOU GUYS GET PAID , ITS UNDER HALF WHAT I GET AND I CANT EVEN SPELL PROPERLY

[**R1**]

I WAS CONSIDERING IT AND GOT A RECRUITMENT PACK SENT TO ME , THEN I FOUND OUT WHAT YOU GUYS GET PAID , ITS UNDER HALF WHAT I GET AND I CANT EVEN SPELL PROPERLYyeah when I was between jobs I thought about being a copper, then I found out what the pay was, I wouldnt get out of bed for that!!!

[T.I.E]

ring these guys

Police complaints 0800 503 728, I rang them once from the side of the road, I had some dipshit copper try doing me for an unclocked speed, so I rang these guys and was telling them what was going on while he was writing out the ticket, I got a warning insted of a ticket...the story is a lot longer but I cant be arsed typing it....

try it, these guys are indepenant of the coppers...


thanks, i have that number in my cell phone just incase i ever need it.
might be a good idea to hold numbers like that.
and good luck trying to defend it. a witness is a good idea.
dam if they are gonna lie why not you.
just make sure it's air tight.

[marty]

yeah when I was between jobs I thought about being a copper, then I found out what the pay was, I wouldnt get out of bed for that!!!

ahhhh yes, but what you lose in pay you make up for in no demerits or fines :devil2:

and it's not that hard to get to 60 or 70k, then walk away with 250k in the hand after 15 years.

[**R1**]

ahhhh yes, but what you lose in pay you make up for in no demerits or fines :devil2:

and it's not that hard to get to 60 or 70k, then walk away with 250k in the hand after 15 years.Yeah, 70k is alright, but I get to leave my job with a clear conscience..
as for the "no demerits or fines" what about Police Commissioner Rob Robinson? he got a ticket didnt he????

[Lou Girardin]

as for the "no demerits or fines" what about Police Commissioner Rob Robinson? he got a ticket didnt he????

He was the boss. They'd queue up to ping the useless prick.

[marty]

Yeah, 70k is alright, but I get to leave my job with a clear conscience..

as i did every day.



as for the "no demerits or fines" what about Police Commissioner Rob Robinson? he got a ticket didnt he???? ..

ever since doone got pinged for his missus driving drunk, there has been an 'integrity report' required after dealing with a cop, should that dealing not progress to its most natural ending. the integrity report covers the arse of the ticketing cop, not the 'bad guy'. if you let a cop off something, it is in your interest to report on the reasons for doing so, and quite frankly, it is sometimes easier to write the ticket, that it is to write your way out of it.

[Funkyfly]

What is the procedure for an officer in a high speed chase?

I damn sure i heard on the news a police spokesperson saying that chases are controlled by the communications centre now due to the high profile of police chases in the news and dangerous speeds.

Reason i ask is that it would appear the officer that was "chasing" me in which i was doing "180kph" never radioed it in untill after the he had stopped me, his words to me after i requested the audio transcripts were " there wont be much, i didnt really talk to the centre till i had stopped you, its a bit hard when your driving" - what a load of crap!

[Patrick]

I WAS CONSIDERING IT AND GOT A RECRUITMENT PACK SENT TO ME , THEN I FOUND OUT WHAT YOU GUYS GET PAID , ITS UNDER HALF WHAT I GET AND I CANT EVEN SPELL PROPERLY

Pays gone up a whole $1.50 since then... Commissioner gets a few bucks and he is pulling the pin and there is a vacancy...Don't worry about the spelling, they don't either at the Police College...

[marty]

What is the procedure for an officer in a high speed chase?

I damn sure i heard on the news a police spokesperson saying that chases are controlled by the communications centre now due to the high profile of police chases in the news and dangerous speeds.

Reason i ask is that it would appear the officer that was "chasing" me in which i was doing "180kph" never radioed it in untill after the he had stopped me, his words to me after i requested the audio transcripts were " there wont be much, i didnt really talk to the centre till i had stopped you, its a bit hard when your driving" - what a load of crap!

there's your out. see my previous post...
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=388716&postcount=47

[Deano]

there's your out. see my previous post.

Good on you cops that are willing to give advice, particularly going so far as pointing out areas where there may be a defence. :niceone:

[Biff]

She told me you already had,but Biff was better :yes:

I do my share my charity.

[Mongoose]

IM A PROFESSIONAL MOTHER FUCKER

So the only root you can get is from a hooker? :headbang:

[**R1**]

So the only root you can get is from a hooker? :headbang:na he said he was a "mother fucker" not sure if he was talking about yours or not tho...

[texmo]

na he said he was a "mother fucker" not sure if he was talking about yours or not tho...
He must be refering to Dovers mother. URL=http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=18972&page=4]please refer to posts number 60 and 61 for more info.[/URL]
This is the truth about dovers mother he even admitted it, thats how he can afford his gixxer. The family trade, a young 26 year olds rugby playing ass fetches quite a good dollar you know? :niceone:

[The_Dover]

Best get the brakes checked on that CBR if you buy it Texmo, then every other time you ride it afterwards too.

Stuck throttle and no brakes is a total cunt you know.

[scumdog]

I WAS CONSIDERING IT AND GOT A RECRUITMENT PACK SENT TO ME , THEN I FOUND OUT WHAT YOU GUYS GET PAID , ITS UNDER HALF WHAT I GET AND I CANT EVEN SPELL PROPERLY

I know what you mean but I do the job just for the fun, (and to show off my spelling) the money is just the icing on the cake so's I can spend it cruising around the USA and buying cars and....

[scumdog]

YOU ARE A FUCKEN USELESS COP AND ME AND AARON ARE SKILLED PROFESSIONALS (WHO CANT SPELL) YET PRICKS LIKE YOU ARE CALLING US TARDS ETC , YOUR A WASTE OF SPACE , I COULD DO YOUR JOB STANDING ON MY HEAD YOU COULD DO NEITHER ME OR AARONS JOB , IF WE CAME FROM A SPIT SIZED GENE POOL WHERE THE FUCK DID YOU LOSERES COME FROM ?

Ah, but YOU skilled professionals are the fine chaps who are paying me to have fun with you - kind of a win-win for ME eh?? :whistle: :laugh: :killingme :wait:
(or are all the margeritas I've drunk tonight (that you paid for) got me confused??)

And nice to see an admittance that you DO come from a spit sized gene pool!! :motu:

[CPB]

i was dumb struck. Has anyone else been thru this crap! I plan to go to court, I dont intend on getting done for this rubbish!

To make matter worse my dad was hit by a car while all this was going on!

Big props to Sensei for your help on the day!


Hey Funkyfly, bad luck mate, considering all the idiots out there, getting done for 120 only to have the cop say 180 is a bit stink.
I had a similar scenario a number of years back where I passed a weigh station cop driving a Hilux, on my RGV250...He was stuck behind a honda accord, doing around 35kph out Kaiapoi way...I overtook both of them with plenty of clear road ahead and rapidly accelerated to the speed limit and slightly beyond. Further up the road I pulled in to have a wee rest and drink a can of coke, and lo and behold the hilux came screaming up the road, skidded to a stop, still on the road...the cop jumped out, took my keys out of the ignition...I had the helmet off enjoying my coke and wasn't going anywhere...he was shaking, ranted at me for being an idiot and said I was going to jail...copied down my details from my licence on the ticket wrong, proceeded to accuse me of riding in excess of 200kph etc etc..which I denied. I had to push my bike a couple of km's into Rangiora to use a phone at the pub to get a lift home...the charge of exceeding 200kph got overturned as his vehicle was calibrated to 150kph only, I got a fine for exceeding the 100kph speed limit, and got a fine and some demerits...pretty lucky really. I had also made an official complaint to the Land transport Authority about the cops demeaner, attitude etc etc... Back in the good old days though, I realise things aren't so cruisy today...good luck to you!!!

[Indoo]

I WAS CONSIDERING IT AND GOT A RECRUITMENT PACK SENT TO ME , THEN I FOUND OUT WHAT YOU GUYS GET PAID , ITS UNDER HALF WHAT I GET AND I CANT EVEN SPELL PROPERLY

Winja your borderline retarded and thats a compliment, somehow I doubt very much your on 120k+. And the civil union bill does not mean you can claim R1Aaron's income as your own.

[Sniper]

Best get the brakes checked on that CBR if you buy it Texmo, then every other time you ride it afterwards too.

Stuck throttle and no brakes is a total cunt you know.

Hahaha, thats the best threat Ive heard in a long time

[**R1**]

Winja your borderline retarded and thats a compliment, somehow I doubt very much your on 120k+. And the civil union bill does not mean you can claim R1Aaron's income as your own.you need to read the whole thread retard, aparently we are brothers from a spit sized gene pool, not faggot lovers, and since when did coppers earn $120K????

[Indoo]

you need to read the whole thread retard


I WAS CONSIDERING IT AND GOT A RECRUITMENT PACK SENT TO ME , THEN I FOUND OUT WHAT YOU GUYS GET PAID , ITS UNDER HALF WHAT I GET AND I CANT EVEN SPELL PROPERLY

Theres a calculator function in your start menu, I think its under applications or something.

[texmo]

DOVER I AM NOT SURE WHAT IS WORE NO BRAKES AND STUCK THROTLE OR SOMEONE PUSHING YOUR GIXXER OVER?

[WINJA]

I know what you mean but I do the job just for the fun, (and to show off my spelling) the money is just the icing on the cake so's I can spend it cruising around the USA and buying cars and....
AND SELLING CONFISCATED "P" , CAUSE YOU GOT FAR TO MUCH NOT TO BE CORUPT

[WINJA]

Winja your borderline retarded and thats a compliment, somehow I doubt very much your on 120k+. And the civil union bill does not mean you can claim R1Aaron's income as your own.
THATS GREAT , AND WHAT WAS IT THAT YOU DID FOR A JOB AGAIN ? WAS THAT MCDS OR BK?

[nsrpaul]

winja , we are all so lucky to be blessed with your intelligent and wity replies , I look forward to them always

[texmo]

This is all so fucking lame WINJA just because you do a certain type of job doesnt mean you poor, take my old man for example he left school when he was 14 and now hes an electrian and does all right for him self. Money aint everything, but it does help hugh amounts, I do alirght as a courier wont do it when im old though, but I enjoy it. I dont wake up and go fuck I have work, I wake up when I want and I clock off when I want. If I wanna go out drinking then I dont go into work the next day, makes life a breeze

[ducatilover]

YOU ARE A FUCKEN USELESS COP AND ME AND AARON ARE SKILLED PROFESSIONALS (WHO CANT SPELL) YET PRICKS LIKE YOU ARE CALLING US TARDS ETC , YOUR A WASTE OF SPACE , I COULD DO YOUR JOB STANDING ON MY HEAD YOU COULD DO NEITHER ME OR AARONS JOB , IF WE CAME FROM A SPIT SIZED GENE POOL WHERE THE FUCK DID YOU LOSERES COME FROM ?
a single microscopic sperm would be my geuss, but ya never know what might pop out when you take a dump nowadays...... :mellow: :spudwave:

[Mongoose]

na he said he was a "mother fucker" not sure if he was talking about yours or not tho...

What he said was
"IM A PROFESSIONAL MOTHER FUCKER"
To be Professional chances are for winja she be a hooker

[Blackbird]

Hey guys

Don't let that uncivilised dickhead hijack the purpose of this thread. It's about trying to help out Funkyfly if we possibly can. Don't bite, and let's get it back on track! :calm:

[**R1**]

Hey guys

Don't let that uncivilised dickhead hijack the purpose of this thread. It's about trying to help out Funkyfly if we possibly can. Don't bite, and let's get it back on track! :calm:Then stop baiting!!! do you really think comments like that will help?? and is it normal for "civilised" people to call others "dickheads"??

Just couldnt help ya self tho aye?

[**R1**]

THATS GREAT , AND WHAT WAS IT THAT YOU DID FOR A JOB AGAIN ? WAS THAT MCDS OR BK?with such amazing math skills my guess would be till bitch at the $2 shop.

[hobdar]

Edited sorry my bad should read the whole forum....

I would note everything down in detail, write down everything minute by minute from the time you saw the cop until the time he drove off
Note the witnesses down and ask them if they would be prepared to go to court for you or get written statements (if you go to court check if they need to be there or if written statement is enough).
Get the recording from the control center asap (if you can) the protocol for chases now i think is pretty strict and he may have exceeded those which may be an out?
and the details from the service stations guys complaint
Also work out when the cop saw you, when he stopped you and get out your trusty calculator and work out the average speed you were possibly doing.


Then write this all up and send it to the address on the ticket..


Also see a lawyer they are the only people qualified to make a call on this..there are some community law centres in most areas and you should be able to get some free advice from them...

Best case though is you could get done for the speeding and the other stuff the judge might throw out through lack of evidence....whatever you do treat the Judge and court staff with utter respect...if you get on their wrong side....its all bad...

[marty]

so Funk dude - what's the update?

[DEMONFZR]

I got off a similar situation to this in my car, passed a cop at 130ish, no lights, no sirens, so i kept going, he pulled me over about 5 kms up the road and said i wasdoing in excess of 180kph. I argued that the law of physics says that if i was 2-3kms ahead of him when he started to chase that he would have had to do a ridiculous speed to catch up to me so quickly.

This was sorted out on the side of the road, the cop was abusing me, and i was not going down without a fight so in the end he had to call a senior officer to come down, I spoke with him, admitted my actual speed and explained how far back the cop was when he turned to chase me etc. The senior officer agreed this wasnt possible and simply fined me for 134kph!!!

Thats my advice dude, use the witnesses u have to testify the distance between yourself and the cop and use the laws of physics to show that if you were actually travelling over 180kph he couldnt have caught you in such a short distance without doing somehting like 260kph+

Good luck with that

[Patrick]

Generally, that there sums it all up...he might have been doing 180 "to catch you"....which probably means you were doing 121, "as shown on the radar..."

[250learna]

ya as above,some officers are not as sharp when it comes to calculating these things... I had to go 180 to catch up so he was going around 180 :S
idiot,
however peope tend to slow down once they see the cop, im not gona acuse you of reducing ur speed and lieing because i dont know that.

if he is trying to screw you then fight back, if every time they do something like this we bend over and let em have their way it will only ensure that many others will have to deal with same shit

if you decide not to go against the ticket you should atleast complain about him running you off the road etc in my experiance it doesnt do much but who knows

[Racey Rider]

Sorry your having to go through this Funkyfly.

There is some Great info in this thread. Stuff that people will want to refer to later when they need to use it.

But theres also, once again, a lot of offtopic crap!

How about a Mod delete all the unnessary insults (etc), so we have a good thread to refer back too. (yes, this one too)

[Funkyfly]

so Funk dude - what's the update?

Still waiting on disclosure to arrive, i have also requested a copy on the Police Pursuit Policy under the official information act.

[marty]

Still waiting on disclosure to arrive, i have also requested a copy on the Police Pursuit Policy under the official information act.

ui hope you're not waiting for disclosure til you make your appeal - the appeal time is 5 days. get your appeal in ASAP - just make it on your knowledge as you see it. make the 5-0 make their submissions. STOP WAITING. GET ON WITH IT.

[nadroj]

I had a talk to a Waikato Highway Patrol contact re your problem. He's not high enough up the ladder to do anything unfortunately but made the following comment re the alledged officer... He returned from a few days holiday and produced a list of 5 offenders he intended to send tickets to for misdemenours he noted while on holiday. If he's this well known from within for being such an arsehole then he deserves being stood up to. Good luck

[Swoop]

Can someone please clarify the speed-readout on the police radars for me?
If a cop shows the readout speed, where is the readout for the exact TIME and DATE that this reading was taken??? (i.e. EVIDENCE)...
Without this info there seems to be no proof that the radar speed hadn't been recorded at an earlier time and simply held on screen... until one of us gets to see it??

Also get a digital camera equipped mobile phone and collect your own evidence (copcar with bike attached after ramming maneuver, etc, etc.)

My 2 cents.

[oldrider]

It sounds like the old Union ploy, if you want 10% demand 30% and everybody is then happy with lesser of the evils.
In this case go for dangerous driving and the rider accepts the lesser charge of speeding willingly.
Perhaps some of the police are becoming thinkers as well as stinkers!
Reference only to the stinkers among them. They know who they are!:blip: Cheers John.

[geoffm]

Can someone please clarify the speed-readout on the police radars for me?
If a cop shows the readout speed, where is the readout for the exact TIME and DATE that this reading was taken??? (i.e. EVIDENCE)...
Without this info there seems to be no proof that the radar speed hadn't been recorded at an earlier time and simply held on screen... until one of us gets to see it??


The cops don't need evidence. They don't even need a radar reading - and laser is easier to fake anyway, since all it does is measure distance. Stick it out the window at the appropriate speed, aim at passing sign, and pull trigger.
Basically, unless you are really lucky, you are screwed. the cops have never been known to lie or make mistakes. Banish that thought now...
If I had my way, all cop cars would have built in video hooked up to the radar, then they would actually have to provide some evidence.

[Lou Girardin]

Can someone please clarify the speed-readout on the police radars for me?
If a cop shows the readout speed, where is the readout for the exact TIME and DATE that this reading was taken??? (i.e. EVIDENCE)...
Without this info there seems to be no proof that the radar speed hadn't been recorded at an earlier time and simply held on screen... until one of us gets to see it??

Also get a digital camera equipped mobile phone and collect your own evidence (copcar with bike attached after ramming maneuver, etc, etc.)

My 2 cents.

No speed detection device, other than cameras, records time and date.

To be fair, I doubt that any cop does what geoffm suggests. A more common problem is cops using the equipment incorrectly and booking drivers for offences not committed. Then there's the exagerrated speeds they reach during pursuit.

[marty]

i recall one day a guy defended a 128km ticket. now as 'luck' would have it, the 2 tickets either side of his ticket, were also for 128km/h. he didn't know that when he defended it, and i didn't realise it until his lawyer asked for the 2 tickets either side of his clients. bizzare huh? anyhows, there was about a 2 hour window when these 5 tickets were written, but the thing that got me the conviction, was that my patrol speed (recorded on the back of the office copy) had been different on 3 of the 5 occasions - it is common to patrol at 80-85km/h, not a very big speed window - makes it easier to slow and u-turn. like lou says, cops like the one who has written you up have got better things to do than drive round with a speed on their radar waiting for a likely suspect - there's plenty of speeders out there without having to resort to that.

so what haoppened with the appeal?

[speights_bud]

The cops don't need evidence. They don't even need a radar reading - and laser is easier to fake anyway, since all it does is measure distance. Stick it out the window at the appropriate speed, aim at passing sign, and pull trigger.

Well looks like our little corrupt coppa would have to pull himself up then waouldnt he? after all aren't they fining people for driving while using phones etc? im sure setting up a radar gun and pointing it out the window is no different??:blink:

[marty]

The cops don't need evidence. They don't even need a radar reading - and laser is easier to fake anyway, since all it does is measure distance. Stick it out the window at the appropriate speed, aim at passing sign, and pull trigger.
.


you can do the same thing with the stalker set in stationary mode.

[zeRax]

tricks of the trade eh.

[2much]

yeah when I was between jobs I thought about being a copper, then I found out what the pay was, I wouldnt get out of bed for that!!!

Hey, I thought about it too! But I was put off by the surgery you have to undergo. Apparently they have to have a glass window installed in their naval cause their heads are so far up their arse's they need it to see where they're going!!!!:2thumbsup :shake:

[boomer]

Hey, I thought about it too! But I was put off by the surgery you have to undergo. Apparently they have to have a glass window installed in their naval cause their heads are so far up their arse's they need it to see where they're going!!!!:2thumbsup :shake:

classic :thud:

[What?]

... after all aren't they fining people for driving while using phones ...
Well, No, actually.

[Divot]

Well, No, actually.

They are still talking about making this law. At the moment you can be done for careless if you manner of driving warrants it. You can also get a ticket for stopping on the motorway and talking on a cell phone, most people who do this I have seen also have half their office on the passangers seat.

[SPman]

They are still talking about making this law. At the moment you can be done for careless if you manner of driving warrants it. You can also get a ticket for stopping on the motorway and talking on a cell phone, most people who do this I have seen also have half their office on the passangers seat.
Must admit I've never had a real problem with the phone and driving - but then, I'm used to concentrating on whats around me when im driving/riding. And yes - my office is the passengers seat.

Without this info there seems to be no proof that the radar speed hadn't been recorded at an earlier time and simply held on screen... until one of us gets to see it??
I must admit, this thought had occured to me in recent times. It never would have, in earlier times.......sad really!

[scumdog]

The cops don't need evidence. They don't even need a radar reading - and laser is easier to fake anyway, since all it does is measure distance. Stick it out the window at the appropriate speed, aim at passing sign, and pull trigger..

Hmmm, the lasers I've used all showed the distance AND the speed, always show those to any driver I've stopped - and when they've viewed it I then delete the reading.
That way I could (if needed) get them as a witness should anybody try to make the claim "it must have been the last cars reading" in court.

I guess a lot of you think ALL coppers lie/are bent etc... sort of like we could think ALL riders speed/do runners??:msn-wink: :whistle: :blip:

[marty]

laser uses a change in distance/time equation to establish speed. i can't be fucked explaining it, but it knows whether the speed is + or - (approaching or retreating), and like has been said many times before, why cheat, when there's plenty of lambs out there....

[geoffm]

Hmmm, the lasers I've used all showed the distance AND the speed, always show those to any driver I've stopped - and when they've viewed it I then delete the reading.
That way I could (if needed) get them as a witness should anybody try to make the claim "it must have been the last cars reading" in court.

I guess a lot of you think ALL coppers lie/are bent etc... sort of like we could think ALL riders speed/do runners??:msn-wink: :whistle: :blip:

The laser guns give distance and speed, as that is how they work - measure distance and time between distance measurements. The one I had a play with was like shooting fish in a barrel with a shotgun to 500m - harder on bikes above that range. Could easily pick up cars to a kilometre away, although closer was easier, and getting closer made it easier to distinguish between targets.
The point is that there is no evidence required in the system, and the addition of e.g. video cameras as a general addition would remove the possibility of corrupt practice, or the accusation of it. It would also open up exciting new TV franchise opportunities for NZ's Scariest Police Chases, and When sheep go bad!
MacDonalds didn't get to the size they are by making good hamburgers, but because they have a system that means even a doped out 16yo school leaver makes a consistent (if not good) product. Having a system that provides evidence of wrongdoing beyond reasonable doubt can only improve the perception. Of course it will decrease the profitability, and introduce loopholes. It is so much easier to avoid all that messy paperwork.

The cost of tickets (IMO) is balanced against the cost of prosecuting and collecting higher amounts. If they were really serious about speeding, and the fines were (say) $500 or $1000 for each km over the limit (so that Helen would be up for $40,000 - $80k), then there would be a number of effects. It would be political suicide for the government of the day, a lot more people would do runners, and many people wouldn't pay anyway. More to the point, the economics of defending the ticket would change. At present, apart from a few well heeled individuals like Bob Jones, nobody drops $20-30k in legal fees to defend a $200 ticket. With huge fines pending, then it is worthwhile fighting it. Suddenly, the court system is no longer a rubber stamp, and the prosecutors will actually have to provide evidence to support the claims, and real lawyers will be cross examining, and the onus pf proof is no longer on the defendant, who is automatically guilty. None of this helps the revenue stream at all...
In a "real" crime, the ones that can give the defendant the opportunity to meet a new social group and a new friend named Bubba, there must be supporting evidence. A murder requires that somebody is dead (!), preferably that there is a body, the dead person is proven to be not only dead, but also the person the defendant is accused of bumping off. The evidence trail of Exhibit A must be documented and watertight from the crime scene to the courtroom, and proven to apply to the case at hand, etc. None of this applies to speeding offences. The word of the copper is gospel and taken as infallible and perfectly honest, and the onus of proof is on the defendant - camera tickets being an obvious example. I have been a recipient of a ticket which could not have applied to me, so be assured, it does happen. Got some I absolutely deserved as well...
No, I don't believe the NZ cops are bent. in fact, I would say for busting crims, they are amongst the best in the world, despite the political BS and tax collecting which has been foisted upon them, and a revolving door "justice" system that lets the villains walk while making sure that anyone who harms them going about their illegal business gets nailed. I would have liked to be a fly on the wall when the cops who fingered Jules Mikas and said "...about that little girl you killed and thought you had got away with..."
There are contradictory pressures at work between funding (e.g.: ACC paying for random stops, ticketing for revenue not safety) and solving crimes, which is a time consuming, expensive business that costs money. Having a list of crimes which are insignificant and will not be investigated, even if all the evidence is given to the police, makes those crimes effectively no longer crimes. If there is no penalty, then the law is irrelevant, so car break-ins and small burglaries in Auckland are effectively no longer illegal. Given that most of the crims start with these crimes and that around 80%+ are reoffenders, I consider this to be unacceptable. Any job has core tasks which must be done, otherwise you should be fired. These core tasks have not been done in this case, and the blame points straight at the top - the various police ministers of several governments, the police brass and the government(s) in general over the last 20 years. It is their responsibility to provide to tools for the troops, and give the direction and importance to the jobs that have to be done.
I am a great believer in "innocent until proven guilty" and the right to a fair trial and representation. It is the cornerstone of society and the legal system (there is no justice system). Look at the countries that don't have it - would you want to live there? From small changes for political expediency, it is a small step to chipping those rights away. The recent antiterrorism laws in Australia and the UK being an example. It is not the good they can do, or the current problems, it is how they can be misused in the future.

and thus endeth the rant for today. Now I have to get back to work...

Geoff

[madboy]

I'm all in favour of video. As much as it would annoy me for identification reasons, it would reassure me a lot when the cops took someone to court later on.

But if video was introduced, you can just imagine the big parties at so and so's house, when they watch the next exciting episode of "NZs Scariest Police Videos".

We could get Sherrif John Bunnell to guest host... "The pursuing officer was closing in quickly on the fleeing criminal, using the awesome power of his specially modified, Police edition Commodore to hunt down the less powerful 1000cc sportsbike on the long straights of the motorway" "The criminals riding was getting more and more erratic, he was having difficulty keeping the front wheel on the ground, unable to control his vehicle as he raced up to 117km/h!!" "He narrowly avoids being taken out when he passes a truck, stationery 300m away!" "The criminal in this case got lucky, when while he raised his middle finger in apparent surrender suddenly he jerked the throttle, sending his vehicle into a massive, uncontrolled spur of acceleration and was never seen again. But expert analysis of the blank space where his number plate should have been affixed to his vehicle will ensure that we'll catch this guy!"

Bring it on :devil2:

[Lou Girardin]

I'm all in favour of video. As much as it would annoy me for identification reasons, it would reassure me a lot when the cops took someone to court later on.

But if video was introduced, you can just imagine the big parties at so and so's house, when they watch the next exciting episode of "NZs Scariest Police Videos".

We could get Sherrif John Bunnell to guest host... "The pursuing officer was closing in quickly on the fleeing criminal, using the awesome power of his specially modified, Police edition Commodore to hunt down the less powerful 1000cc sportsbike on the long straights of the motorway" "The criminals riding was getting more and more erratic, he was having difficulty keeping the front wheel on the ground, unable to control his vehicle as he raced up to 117km/h!!" "He narrowly avoids being taken out when he passes a truck, stationery 300m away!" "The criminal in this case got lucky, when while he raised his middle finger in apparent surrender suddenly he jerked the throttle, sending his vehicle into a massive, uncontrolled spur of acceleration and was never seen again. But expert analysis of the blank space where his number plate should have been affixed to his vehicle will ensure that we'll catch this guy!"

Bring it on :devil2:


But where will you get a knob-head with a perma tan, gay silver hair and peroxided teeth?
Hey, Robbie hasn't got a job now. They could give him a make over.

[madboy]

Hey, Robbie hasn't got a job now. They could give him a make over."It appears the officer was unable to disengage his cruise control, and the leather-clad hooligan on the much less powerful 1000cc sportsbike was able to get away from the pursuit special Commodore."