Whats happening to KB

[R6_kid]

I have been talking to people that have been on the site for a while and quite a few of them have been commenting on things that have been happening on KB that they do not like.

Now some of you will say "shut the fuck up and get on with it" but in reality some people arent using the site for its intended purpose.

The site is deliberately divided into sections to try and filter out the 'shit' from the good stuff. i.e if it isnt bike related it goes to the "rant/rave" section.

I know i have been guilty of going way of topic at times but on the whole it tends to be getting out of hand - e.g my dyno day thread in the "meetings and events" forum has a whole page of utter bullshit about a scow - now a scow is a boat, its got nothing to do with bikes, and nothing to do with organising the use of a dyno so why was it getting talked about there...

Also the multiple account thing, sure it WAS funny but people are just getting sick of it now.

Kiwibiker is supposed to be a community for talking about bikes - "A site for all New Zealand motorcyclists", of course this includes the good'ns, the bastards, wankers and what not but we cant help that. But we do need to be a bit more considerate for others on the site as many people are considering leaving the KB community because of shit-slinging and gossip, all of which has started to get a bit personal at times.

Another thing that was bought to my attention was that some personalities are 'taking over' as it would be... this i believe just comes down to real life personality, but some have been offended by others simply in the way they seem to overide other peoples opinions/plans/whatever. Again, a little consideration for others would have this problem gone.

Basically the reason i've gone to the trouble of posting this is because when i joined KB it was just about biking... and babes (but thats another story). I personally dont want to see KB turn into get another forum where people just use it as an avenue to shit-stir, troll, and generally just vent personal anger/emotional trouble from behind the guise of a screen name. There are places to do this, and KB is not one of them.

So please, a little more consideration from everyone and we can get KB back to being about bikes - THINK before you post, is it relevant to the topic, will it annoy the people talking about the said topic?

if you dont get what im saying, check these out - you should have read them when you joined.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=11029
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=5213

thats my input for the day :niceone:
:ride:

[jrandom]

oh noes, KB is going to the dogs!

whatever shall we do? *this* hasn't happened before! end of t'world is nigh! repent!

[runs around in terrified fluster, trips over bootlaces, falls down]

[R6_kid]

oh noes, KB is going to the dogs!

whatever shall we do? *this* hasn't happened before! end of t'world is nigh! repent!

[runs around in terrified fluster, trips over bootlaces, falls down]

my point exactly

[gamgee]

shouldn't this be under the 'Site stuff' header? :dodge:

[R6_kid]

in a way yes, but then who would see it? Only the people that go to the site stuff section, which is generally only people that are having problems/need to ask questions.

[jrandom]

my point exactly

well, tie your bootlaces properly, then!

[Blackbird]

Valuable comment Gareth :niceone:

Two of the UK Blackbird sites I belong to are starting to fall apart mainly due to abuse/hijacking of threads from a small clique of people. It's almost as if this type of website has a natural lifespan, especially a 1 make website.

However, what we have in Kiwibiker is a fantastic community of people who have helped each other out on innumerable occasions and have made lasting friendships, as well as advancing the cause of motorcyclists in NZ. Surely this is too precious to let go and we all have a responsibility to make sure this happens. The moderators could probably help to a limited extent but finally, the outcome ultimately rests on us as members. No whinging, no buck passing - it's OUR responsibility.

Great post mate.

Geoff

[R6_kid]

well, tie your bootlaces properly, then!

pitty that, by boots are velcro and zipup :niceone:

sad when an 18yr old can show more maturity than someone of your *age* and *gender*

[jrandom]

sad when an 18yr old can show more maturity than someone of your *age* and *gender*

oh, stop trying so hard. plenty of time to be mature, and believe me, it's overrated in any case.

use the 'new posts' search facility, and don't click on threads that look boring.

perhaps you could also learn to read faster, or summat. I dunno.

you have a nice bike, go ride it.

[gamgee]

in a way yes, but then who would see it? Only the people that go to the site stuff section, which is generally only people that are having problems/need to ask questions.

therein lies the reason everyone posts there threads in this section...

[R6_kid]

Valuable comment Gareth :niceone:

Two of the UK Blackbird sites I belong to are starting to fall apart mainly due to abuse/hijacking of threads from a small clique of people. It's almost as if this type of website has a natural lifespan, especially a 1 make website.

However, what we have in Kiwibiker is a fantastic community of people who have helped each other out on innumerable occasions and have made lasting friendships, as well as advancing the cause of motorcyclists in NZ. Surely this is too precious to let go and we all have a responsibility to make sure this happens. The moderators could probably help to a limited extent but finally, the outcome ultimately rests on us as members. No whinging, no buck passing - it's OUR responsibility.

Great post mate.

Geoff

thanks, it would be a great loss to the new zealand biking community (that i know anyway) if we were to lose KB to bunch of time wasters and abusers. I think more respect needs to be shown for the people that run the site and do their best to keep it the way it is, which im sure is very hard job at times

[HDTboy]

Here Here, you've made some good points Gareth, I know I'm guilty of taking some threads off topic.

[zadok]

Good head on young shoulders there Gareth. You're right, unfortunately. I still enjoy the site, but there seems to be less bike related topics to reply to.

[jrandom]

Good head on young shoulders there Gareth. You're right, unfortunately. I still enjoy the site, but there seems to be less bike related topics to reply to.

no, I don't think so.

it's just that relative to the bike topics, there's more shite.

keeping threads in the right areas helps with mitigating that.

and going offtopic, IMHO, is fine, so long as it's not stupid and boring.

you'd achieve a lot more by shooting all the stupid and boring people offhand than by trying to regulate forum usage.

[R6_kid]

perhaps you could also learn to read faster, or summat. I dunno.

you have a nice bike, go ride it.


some of you will say "shut the fuck up and get on with it" but in reality some people arent using the site for its intended purpose

had you knocked on the head before you even spoke, perhaps you could read better and more indepth rather than worrying about speed.

and this isnt only my voice, im just the one that bothered to stand up and say something about it.

[jrandom]

and this isnt only my voice, im just the one that bothered to stand up and say something about it.

so do you feel better now?

[R6_kid]

it's just that relative to the bike topics, there's more shite.

keeping threads in the right areas helps with mitigating that.

and going offtopic, IMHO, is fine, so long as it's not stupid and boring.

you'd achieve a lot more by shooting all the stupid and boring people offhand than by trying to regulate forum usage.


finally you say something worthwhile...

dont you find it annoying when you are reading about suspension setup and then theres XXXposts about someones mum or whatever...

[Smorg]

dont you find it annoying when you are reading about suspension setup and then theres XXXposts about someones mum or whatever...

About your mum? :mellow:

[jrandom]

dont you find it annoying when you are reading about suspension setup and then theres XXXposts about someones mum or whatever...

well, of course!

our esteemed volunteer mods are there to hose away that sort of crap with extreme prejudice.

I'm always up for buying one of 'em a pint in appreciation for a job well done.

if the volume's getting a bit too high, perhaps we need another nomination or two.

[Storm]

Very true. Good on you gareth for making a point of it, it would seem hints and the such wouldnt be any use.

[R6_kid]

well, of course!

our esteemed volunteer mods are there to hose away that sort of crap with extreme prejudice.

.......

if the volume's getting a bit too high, perhaps we need another nomination or two.

that could work, but my point is that we shouldnt need more mods, just people taking more consideration before posting stuff that doesnt need to be posted.

[Colapop]

Why is Fish making so much sense in this post. (This is not a shot at Fish)
I agree things have gotten a little out of hand but I think the game is over now

[skelstar]

I view threads by using the 'new posts' link. I rarely miss out on topics this way. Having said that I do tend to checkout the 'Meetings blah blah' forum just incase im not missing out.

To be honest something like this forum, where people are free to express their views, is only going to end up emulating society and life itself. The obvious way of changing society and its structure is through politics. I think you are right to some extent, but I dont believe anything is going to change.

[SixPackBack]

One of the most sensible posts on KB for a long time Gareth we are here for the bikes!:niceone:

[R6_kid]

I view threads by using the 'new posts' link. I rarely miss out on topics this way. Having said that I do tend to checkout the 'Meetings blah blah' forum just incase im not missing out.

To be honest something like this forum, where people are free to express their views, is only going to end up emulating society and life itself. The obvious way of changing society and its structure is through politics. I think you are right to some extent, but I dont believe anything is going to change.

sadly that is true, and the only 'politics' as such on KB come from the users themselves.

the situation is far from dire, i am merely commenting to the community what some people have said to me. The feeling is there that the site could be a better place, i am just trying to kick start some awareness that may be able to point the site in the right direction.

I dont want it to be all nana-ish where we all talk properly, with proper manners etc.. that would take all the fun out of it. What does worry me though is that some people dont know when to stop, and that is when it starts to become a problem.

[SixPackBack]

well, of course!

our esteemed volunteer mods are there to hose away that sort of crap with extreme prejudice.

I'm always up for buying one of 'em a pint in appreciation for a job well done.

if the volume's getting a bit too high, perhaps we need another nomination or two.

As you are responsible for much of the recent drivel maybe you could be the first to be a little more considerate.......the site is not about you

[Sniper]

Im with Gareth on this. Im guilty of thread hijackings and I felt bad enough to post an apology.

Fish, I find it amusing that as soon as something relevant comes up, you tend to fight against it or like pointing out the bad stuff.

[R6_kid]

im sitting here thinking that a post like this is much the same as the book 'once were warriors', it is written with the intent to help improve things in a said community or society, however the ones that it is supposed to help change/benefit are unable to, or do not comprehend what has been said.

[skelstar]

I dont want it to be all nana-ish where we all talk properly, with proper manners etc.. that would take all the fun out of it. What does worry me though is that some people dont know when to stop, and that is when it starts to become a problem.
Yeah, I know the nana factor is not sought after.

Maybe the problem is that people want something different from the forums than what the forum was orginally intended. I know whenever i hear something sensational one of the first things I think of is 'i should post that'.

The reality is that my 'peers' read these forums, therefore I wish to exist here, non-thread related or not.

[R6_kid]

some support via PM -

I generally don't post often for those very reasons...and because i have a tendency to wander far away from the topic myself/offend people with my soh....

Having said that, I've read quite a few threads lately that seem to have the same names cropping up, and hence the same shit-slinging and general bullshit. Although it makes for free entertainment, i've noticed things get wildly off the topic, and in some cases, reduce what's started out as a serious thread, to nasty personal attacks.

I'm not sure how effective you'll find your post is....time will tell, and i'm sure you'll get some interesting comments and feedback....You may have found it more effective to address this issue with the individuals. However, as there clearly seems to be a receptive and actively contributing audience in terms of egging these members on, you may just get told to bugger off....

It's the same story as the stars vs the paparazzi - if people didn't buy the gossip/woman's mags, the paparazzi wouldn't have a job.....

[vifferman]

One of the most sensible posts on KB for a long time Gareth we are here for the bikes!:niceone:
Yaaaawwwwn....

Look, I'm probably one of the KBers who's most obsessive about bikes, yet I think it would be sad if this forum was rigorously policed and constrained to eliminate too much of the non-bike stuff. Apart from anything else, most of my posts would be deleted, I'd have to do some work, and I'd go mad and kill myself.

A site for all New Zealand motorcyclists

But apparently, not those who don't fit certain subjective criteria.
Apparently.

Yes, there's WAAAAAY too much crap on here, and maybe we need more mods, but not more PCness or so much constraint that we lose the flavour we have now.

Or summat. Or not, etc etc.

[R6_kid]

Maybe the problem is that people want something different from the forums than what the forum was orginally intended.

it was intended to be about bikes, and has subsequently been broken down into relevant sections to try and keep it that way.

Threads arent so much the problem, its more some of the posts that people put up that tend to detract from the relevant topics been spoken about.

In the 'new members' forum wari has a sticky thread that says 'please keep personal issues restricted to PM'... but no one really seems to do that anymore.

[SPORK]

I was looking back at some old threads the other day, and it made me sad how horrible some things have gotten.

In order to please His Majesty the D, I say that "Jokes and Humour" threads (which are rarely funny) do not show up in "New Posts", and that Moderators grow some Cajones and tell people to stop shitting up people's threads.

[R6_kid]

Look, I'm probably one of the KBers who's most obsessive about bikes, yet I think it would be sad if this forum was rigorously policed and constrained to eliminate too much of the non-bike stuff. Apart from anything else, most of my posts would be deleted, I'd have to do some work, and I'd go mad and kill myself.

Yes, there's WAAAAAY too much crap on here, and maybe we need more mods, but not more PCness or so much constraint that we lose the flavour we have now.


i dont want that either, the site is being run fine as it is. And PC is shite, i just dont want people to be offended/pissed off to the point that they pack up and leave the community for good.

It would just be better to see people thinking about what they post before they post, the site can still be funny/bizarre/whatever within that restraint (is it really that hard to think before click 'submit reply'), it was simply bought to my attention that perhaps some people dont do that at all.

[SixPackBack]

Yaaaawwwwn....

Look, I'm probably one of the KBers who's most obsessive about bikes, yet I think it would be sad if this forum was rigorously policed and constrained to eliminate too much of the non-bike stuff. Apart from anything else, most of my posts would be deleted, I'D HAVE TO DO SOME WORK, AND I"D GO MAD and kill myself. The site is not about you!

A site for all New Zealand motorcyclists

But apparently, not those who don't fit certain subjective criteria.
Apparently.

Yes, there's WAAAAAY too much crap on here, and maybe we need more mods, but not more PCness or so much constraint that we lose the flavour we have now.

Or summat. Or not, etc etc.

A little more self control collectivley would be a good start.

[skelstar]

In order to please His Majesty the D, I say that "Jokes and Humour" threads (which are rarely funny) do not show up in "New Posts", and that Moderators grow some Cajones and tell people to stop shitting up people's threads.
Thats getting political as you wuld have to have some kind of 'charter' or established guideline. Not long after that this post will be about Mods lauding it over us plebs with comparisons to a labour governement or something. :)

[vifferman]

The site is not about you!

But it's my home! :confused:

Maybe it's time to find another one, then? :spudwhat:


I wonder if GoatFood, farQ2, Beelzebub et alia will want to go too...
Mind you, they don't post as much shit as me, so they're probably more welcome here.

[Colapop]

I think there are alot of people out here that have become tired of the way things appear to have gone. I have only been here for a relatively short time and have found myself getting drawn into mudslinging. We behave here the way we perceive we will be seen or not 'seen'. There is protection to be had by sitting at your keyboard banging away without restriction. A timely reminder to self regulate.
And thanks to the KBers who've offered help and advice through this site.

[Postie]

a lot of points bought up here are similar to the ones that were posted in the thread from WRT "things that tick you off about this site", before that got hijacked and spun in various directions.

[zadok]

I think the point has been made. I have really enjoyed this site and want to continue to do so. I'm proud to be a Kiwi Biker. Let's try to use some common courtesy and keep enjoying it. :done: :sunny: :calm: :grouphug:

[outlawtorn]

As you are responsible for much of the recent drivel maybe you could be the first to be a little more considerate.......the site is not about you
hear hear............. :niceone:

[outlawtorn]

I must agree with Gareth on this one, there is far too much shite on this site....

[madboy]

This forum is no different from society. Some people take things the wrong way, some people take some things WAY too seriously. Difference is, on here you can't see facial expressions, can't hear tone of voice, and can't judge personalities since you are exposed to only the few limited comments that are written.

How do people cope reading newspapers or watching the news? When something comes on they don't want to see, are not interested in, or are offended by - don't listen/read/watch! Skip to the next one.

Harden up.

[jrandom]

As you are responsible for much of the recent drivel...

phooey.

see, I *like* my drivel.

*you're* drivel, on the other hand, is inane, and even worse, it represents all your capable of.

[SixPackBack]

phooey.

see, I *like* my drivel.

*you're* drivel, on the other hand, is inane, and even worse, it represents all your capable of.

Yes you may like your drivel, as pointed out previously the site is not about "You". It is in fact about Motorcycles and meeting each other in the real world. Something Fish cannot participate in being the figment of somebodies imagination

Keep the insults coming, I think a tear is forming:niceone:

[onearmedbandit]

I agree there is a lot of random rubbish posted here, by only a handful of members, so now I mostly ignore their posts. I don't even bother reading anything they have to say, as it's mostly crap. So I could argue to just ignore them, but I do agree about the hi-jacking of threads. The recent one about dyno runs was a classic example.

[Brian d marge]

I agree with the pages of crap thing ,,,I often just scroll down pages of one line replies that will never win the booker ,,
The trouble with scrolling is that you miss a comment which is the same as the one you want to post .....
But that just it I click Scroll and reply IF there is something worth replying to...Also I have been guilty of wandering off topic Sometimes >..But in my defence it contained worthwile info on bikes ,,,about torque and the tightening of nuts and bolts ...Also I have been guilty of the one line remark ,,,but I can count them on one hand ..
The thing is its Electronic and while at the mo there is pages of ...what color spark plug should I buy ,,,,,in say a few min there could be a post about say the choking point of the inlet port ... or someone compete photo file of the Enfield range ( thats perverted ,,,but maybe there is another sick puppy out there !!!

Stephen
The little Scroller .....:spudwave:

[jrandom]

Shape without form, shade without colour,
Paralysed force, gesture without motion...

you still haven't fixed that apostrophe in your sig, you know.

[vifferman]

Hey, L'il Fishy: when are you having lunch with me and/or one of my doppelgangerz?

Today would've been OK, 'cept my velocipede is in Motohaus being demuntered.
Monday and/or Tuesday would be OK - the vifferbabe will be in LA.

[thehollowmen]

Just booking my space in the thread so i can write something sensible here when I get to work tonight... go gareth

That's not a bad idea
I'll book mine too

[Lou Girardin]

I, for one, enjoy most of the drivel. The stuff I don't like, I don't read. The scow hijack fr'instance. What I do object to is the aggro displayed under the cloak of anonymity.
Some of the things said would result in a smack if said face to face, so a little thought wouldn't go astray.
Otherwise this site is like real life.
Interesting.

[vifferman]

Some of the things said would result in a smack if said face to face, so a little thought wouldn't go astray.
Yeah, that farQ2 needs a smack. His thoughts are little.
Interestingly, he is actually a parody/clone of some of the real persons on here: small of brain, overdosed on testosterone, and short on manners, so in that sense he is just as real as some of the aggro wankers on this thread.

[jrandom]

Hey, L'il Fishy: when are you having lunch with me and/or one of my doppelgangerz?

well, you can turn up to watch me kick The Dover's arse at Galbraiths tonight, if you like.

[The_Dover]

Fuck you fishflaps, you're going down.

After I fuck you up.

[vifferman]

well, you can turn up to watch me kick The Dover's arse at Galbraiths tonight, if you like.
That sounds like fighting talk.
Should one be interested in said exercise of monopedal-gluteal aggression, would one be required to purchase a token for the purposes of admission to the alehouse?

[jrandom]

Fuck you fishflaps, you're going down.

not on you I ain't, little-unidentified-red-spots boy.

[jrandom]

would one be required to purchase a token...?

nah, just rock on up about 6-ish and dodge the flying suds.

(that'll be from Sarge wiping The Dover's arse clean after he poops himself in fear at the sight of me)

[MadDuck]

Fuck you fishflaps, you're going down.

After I fuck you up.

I agree with ya Gareth and was having a bit of a laugh at some of the comments presented as this has been raised before...yes even the FISH!

Then right in the middle the above beutifully phrased response from Dover.

I dont hang out here much any more because................... it aint hard to tell.

[James Deuce]

Geez gareth, stop make sense fella!

I know what you're saying, and I've made a stab at trying to get back to "roots", by doing ride reports and product reviews as often as I remember to do so. I reemember that those sorts of reports were what impressed me about KB when I joined, and it is so easy to sink into your alter ego and just throw drivel at every thread that comes along.

I hope your post makes a couple of people at least think about some of the stuff that goes on, but by the same token I would hate to see the banter dry up. Then it would be like an American forum! All serious like.

The young fellas that I sometimes dish a bit of stick out to, might like to consider that initiation rites are quite important in any society, and if the crusties are spending effort on you it's becasue they want you to stick around. Both literally and figuratively.

[jrandom]

I hope your post makes a couple of people at least think about some of the stuff that goes on, but by the same token I would hate to see the banter dry up. Then it would be like an American forum! All serious like.

... and badly spelled.

I'm going to set a good example and avoid throwing drivel at any proper bike- or riding-related threads, mm kay?

[marty]

it's a bit like talking shit at the pub - it's just that. you start talking about 1 thing, it goes all around the table, and finally, after talking beer, titties and wheelies, it gets back to subject. i used to block some members cause i thought they were trolls, but i got over that, and i just laugh now.

maybe there should be 'serious shit only' thread.

and if you look at some of the rubbish - 'how do i get rid of L plate', 'has anyone got a 12mm spanner' (yes, the $2 shop has heaps of them) type threads - FFS - expect some shit.

[marty]

AND, if you don't like it, stay out of the rant/rave, general biker threads, etc - that's what they're there for!

[marty]

the other thing that pisses me off about this thread, is that it's a copy of this one > http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=18826 that's already going strong.

[Motu]

The guy who started a whole thread on not liking a cop watching him go around aroundabout is starting a thread about members not being serious? What the fuck do you expect?!!! Like,who the fuck Bloody cares if some cop watched you go around a corner - oh,big fucking deal! I wonder why some of my beer bottles are green,and some are brown,but I feel this is a personal problem I have to come to grips with myself,I don't need to put the question out on a www for everyone else the pipe up with their thoughts.....hang on,I feel a thread poll coming on....

[marty]

go motu, go motu, go motu (where's the little dancing girl icon....)

[marty]

The guy who started a whole thread on not liking a cop watching him go around aroundabout is starting a thread about members not being serious? What the fuck do you expect?!!! Like,who the fuck Bloody cares if some cop watched you go around a corner - oh,big fucking deal! I wonder why some of my beer bottles are green,and some are brown,but I feel this is a personal problem I have to come to grips with myself,I don't need to put the question out on a www for everyone else the pipe up with their thoughts.....hang on,I feel a thread poll coming on....


we all know how overly paranoid behaviour is generated......

[Indiana_Jones]

Twisted by the Dark Side, young Kiwibiker has become.

It's more machine then man now.....:no:

-Indy

[R6_kid]

The guy who started a whole thread on not liking a cop watching him go around aroundabout is starting a thread about members not being serious? What the fuck do you expect?!!! Like,who the fuck Bloody cares if some cop watched you go around a corner - oh,big fucking deal! I wonder why some of my beer bottles are green,and some are brown,but I feel this is a personal problem I have to come to grips with myself,I don't need to put the question out on a www for everyone else the pipe up with their thoughts.....hang on,I feel a thread poll coming on....

correct me if i am wrong, but that is in the 'rant rave section' which is 99% bullshit anyway... i did say im guilty of said BS aswell as the next guy.


didnt mean to 'copy' the other thread - but that was more of a bitch thread 'i dont like this', whereas am just generally talking about cleaning the site up a weeeee bit

[Big Dave]

What the fuck do you expect?!!!

Youth being wasted on the young.

[Big Dave]

... and badly spelled.

I'm going to set a good example and avoid throwing drivel at any proper bike- or riding-related threads, mm kay?

What? completely shut up?

Don't - you're like the one who wants to leave Diaspar
(The City - The Stars. Clarke Arthur C - along with Rendezvous with Rama the best Science Fiction ever written.)

[Mooch]

Hey Gareth_d , I see what you mean , just use the ignore list , cuts a lot of crap out.

[Zed]

Another thing that was bought to my attention was that some personalities are 'taking over' as it would be... this i believe just comes down to real life personality, but some have been offended by others simply in the way they seem to overide other peoples opinions/plans/whatever. Again, a little consideration for others would have this problem gone.

So please, a little more consideration from everyone and we can get KB back to being about bikes - THINK before you post, is it relevant to the topic, will it annoy the people talking about the said topic?I think that the best unwritten rule in KB is: "do not take things too seriously!". I tend to think this thread is breaking that rule Gareth. You and these others you mention need to just sit back and learn to ignore the threads, and members if necessary, who rock your boat. Many a KBer has come to a point where he/she is sick of the place and talks about leaving or whatever, has a break from it for a while and then joins back in. I can only think of a few main contributors who have left KB, and they probably all still lurk/visit. But KB continues to grow, what into we don't know, but let's just let the site develop on its own!

KB is a living, online community that has grown into what it is today because of those who participate. Most of the pillars of KB are still posting today - that's saying something very positive about where KB is at! :niceone:

[jazbug5]

phooey.
*you're* drivel, on the other hand, is inane, and even worse, it represents all your capable of.

you still haven't fixed that apostrophe in your sig, you know.

Pot? Kettle? Kitchen utensils of 'colour'?

Or, er, was that deliberate..?

Carry on, people. Just fetching a nice cup of cha.

[White trash]

Just booking my space in the thread so i can write something sensible here when I get to work tonight... go gareth

Well? Where the fuck is it? We're waiting.......

[White trash]

I wonder why some of my beer bottles are green,and some are brown,but I feel this is a personal problem I have to come to grips with myself,I don't need to put the question out on a www for everyone else the pipe up with their thoughts.....hang on,I feel a thread poll coming on....

Now this also bothers me. And I wonder how come people continually hand me brown bottles or green ones WITHOUT Steinlager on the front at partys, while they go and fetch one of mine for themselves! Brown beer bottles indeed.........

[avgas]

Perfect Harmony of Confusion - so stop bloody complaining.

[DEATH_INC.]

Being serious for a minute,I think if people try to stay on or near the thread topic that'd cure the problem.That's what I think really pisses us off. :argh:
Ok that's long enough,can we talk beer now?

[TLDV8]

Why does this sound a little like..i have bastardised other peoples threads but don't do it to mine. :whistle:.As far as the dyno thread i was flipping past the dyno bit and reading the boat part,freedom of choice,no harm done ?...I think it has to be remembered not everyone is a motorcycle expert,As said before i am somewhat of a newbie to this site but it was obvious from a early point as said before,there is a somewhat high number of people who's posts are nothing but to post abuse,they are then rewarded with idiotic amounts of Rep which just encourages them,the flipside being in near all cases those same people turn into crybabies if they themselves get a wind up..go figure..Nothing wrong with a bit of humour "etc" if it is used with respect. (imo)

[Coyote]

The amount I regularly post each day has gone down ten fold ever since I started thinking about what I post

[Unit]

Valuable comment Gareth :niceone:
However, what we have in Kiwibiker is a fantastic community of people who have helped each other out on innumerable occasions and have made lasting friendships, as well as advancing the cause of motorcyclists in NZ. Surely this is too precious to let go and we all have a responsibility to make sure this happens. The moderators could probably help to a limited extent but finally, the outcome ultimately rests on us as members. No whinging, no buck passing - it's OUR responsibility.
Great post mate.
Geoff
We have not been on the site long and have totally enjoyed it. Not to mention we have met people through here, made new friends, gone on awsome rides, swapped information, gained knowledge, and simply had fun along the way. If your astute enough you will spot the ratbags and just ignore them, hopefully they will get tired of not being able to piss people off and go play elsewhere. For those who get offended, toughen up a little, and Im sure there is some facility to lay a complaint BUT all you have to do is keep your own integruity in tact and stick to doing the right thing yourself by the Kiwi Biker site. Good to be discussing this vital point, now back to making new friends and finding out info I need :spudwave:

[TonyB]

I've been here for just over a year, and every few months a post exactly like this one crops up.

And every few months a new member or three pops up and stirs the place up, having a jolly time winding people up, hurling personal insults and generally trying to turn any thread into something about them. Eventually they leave, or become just a normal member of the KB community as we learn to understand what makes them tick and they become more well known in the real world.

Eventually the people who currently 'live' on here will get bored/ start to realise just how much time they are wasting, and stop posting so much crap. Been there, done that myself.

Eventually our current crop of trolls will either leave or start to realise that it's not all about them. They will realise there are some bloody good people on here who they care about, so they will stop trolling.

And then it will start all over again.

And there will be another one of these threads...

[Biff]

Nothing's happening to KB that isn’t reflected in society as a whole IMO. Get a bunch of bikers together and they'll talk bikes n bollox all day long.

I for one don’t know a huge amount about bikes, their mechanics and such like. But I like riding them, and I like to think of myself as an experienced rider, and I often chirp in on bike related threads, expressing an opinion, advice etc based on my views and experience. I'll also post something a little off topic from time to time, have a laugh, joke, pi$$ take etc. I leave the real in-depth bike chat to the likes of Frosty, Ixion, Viffer, Kickaha (to name but a few) who all bring an enormous amount of knowledge and experience of bikes to this site. These are the kinds of guys I originaly came here to learn from. But at the same time have a laugh and joke.

Inevitably, as with any conversation, the thread topic may morph into side discussions, tongue in cheek abuse and such like. I for one like this. I like bikers, and to tell someone that they can only ever talk about bikes, ever, would be wrong (not saying you are Gareth), and I'd bet my left man breast that this site would suffer if we were to do so.

Then there's the trollers - fishing, looking for a bite. Sometimes it's funny, sometimes it's boring, sometime's it's just plain annoying as someone posts shite just to clog up the servers memory in an attempt to get their post count up etc. It was even worse when we had a table of most respectable members etc.

The evidence that this site is alive, growing and a great source of knowledge, fun and friendship can be seen in the ever-growing number of members here. Sure there will be some hard nosed, die hard bikers that throw their proverbial teddy because we cover other topics here, and may even leave (or pretend they’ve left, but secretly lurk in the background) but tough shit IMO. Majority rules. And what Spank says and allows it law.

But I'm with you on the personal abuse stuff. I for one would like to see the mods come down heavier on anyone who hurls genuine personal insults. And I'm also a fan of keeping threads in the correct section (although I have made the genuine mistake of posting in the wrong section from time to time).

So while I agree with what you're saying Gareth (nice Welsh name there mate) I'd hate to see this site being reduced to bike only threads, as this place would loose its attraction IMO.

My 2c.

[NC]

I haven't really noticed that the site was fulling up with people trying to get the highest post scores.

Do you honestly REALLY care that much, Gareth?
Are you losing sleep at night over this?

[jrandom]

Inevitably, as with any conversation, the thread topic may morph into side discussions, tongue in cheek abuse and such like for one like this.

ain't dat tha troof.

'sfunny, you know. I've undoubtedly been in the back of a few minds as they grumble about people hiding behind 'internet anonymity'.

yet... I'm the same person in person that I am online, and I'm happy to call any cunt a cunt to their face.


But I'm with you on the personal abuse stuff. I for one would like to see the mods come down heavier on anyone who hurls genuine personal insults.

bah buggery bollocks. what would YOU know, you manky gutter-minded old greaseball.

now go away, lest I taunt you a second time.

[Oscar]

Get rid of the reputation nonsense.
Hide the post count.
That'll sort a goodly portion of yer silly threads.

[jrandom]

Get rid of the reputation nonsense.
Hid the post count.
That'll sort a goodly portion of yer silly threads.

seconded.

or at least leave the reputation thing as a mechanism for one-on-one post-related comments, but make it entirely private.

[NC]

Get rid of the reputation nonsense.
Hid the post count.
That'll sort a goodly portion of yer silly threads.
Sometimes the silly threads are entertaining, anywho some people kick up a shit cause someone acts like an arse in a thread. You have to have a happy medium, yah know?

[Coyote]

Get rid of the reputation nonsense.
Hid the post count.
That'll sort a goodly portion of yer silly threads.
A lot of people have said that but nothing has been done to them yet

Best idea I've heard is to just have them in peoples profiles

[Oscar]

Sometimes the silly threads are entertaing, anywho some people kick up a shit cause someone acts like an arse in a thread. You have to have a happy medium, yah know?


No problem wid that.
I've been known to indulge in silly threads, thread hijacking and acting like a complete arse on many occasions. Just stick to the appropriate venue.


Oh, and BTW - will someone show that twat where his caps lock key is?

[GSVR]

This thread too long and I can't be stuffed reading it.

Can someone just tell me who KB is and whats happening to him/her?

[James Deuce]

This thread too long and I can't be stuffed reading it.

Can someone just tell me who KB is and whats happening to him/her?

KB = KiwiBiker.

Full of smacktards apparently.

[Biff]

bah buggery bollocks. what would YOU know, you manky gutter-minded old greaseball.

now go away, lest I taunt you a second time.

As much as I'd like to see things from your point of view, I don't appear to be able to get my head that far up my own arse.

[R6_kid]

i dont take the site seriously all the time, and the things i mentioned are not happening all the time. I have had a few people send me messages supporting what i have said.

I dont wanna 'clean' up KB or anything like that, im just trying to make sure that people are happy to come here and share what they have to say.

Some poeple have bought up very good points most of which have opened my eyes a bit to how they think.

Everyone has a right to have their own say, and KB is good for that. Just gets annoying sometimes when people take things too far, thats what i personally dont like.

[Biff]

Has KB imploded yet?

[Virago]

Jeez Biff,

You're racing toward the big 4K, but that's a thread-dredge if I even saw one!

:killingme

[Sniper]

Bloody hell....... silly Welsh bugger haha

[James Deuce]

Spanking paddle time. Again.

[Virago]

Spanking paddle time. Again.

Oooh, I love it when you talk dirty......

[Lazy7]

I have been talking to people that have been on the site for a while and quite a few of them have been commenting on things that have been happening on KB that they do not like.

Now some of you will say "shut the fuck up and get on with it" but in reality some people arent using the site for its intended purpose.

The site is deliberately divided into sections to try and filter out the 'shit' from the good stuff. i.e if it isnt bike related it goes to the "rant/rave" section.

I know i have been guilty of going way of topic at times but on the whole it tends to be getting out of hand - e.g my dyno day thread in the "meetings and events" forum has a whole page of utter bullshit about a scow - now a scow is a boat, its got nothing to do with bikes, and nothing to do with organising the use of a dyno so why was it getting talked about there...

Also the multiple account thing, sure it WAS funny but people are just getting sick of it now.

Kiwibiker is supposed to be a community for talking about bikes - "A site for all New Zealand motorcyclists", of course this includes the good'ns, the bastards, wankers and what not but we cant help that. But we do need to be a bit more considerate for others on the site as many people are considering leaving the KB community because of shit-slinging and gossip, all of which has started to get a bit personal at times.

Another thing that was bought to my attention was that some personalities are 'taking over' as it would be... this i believe just comes down to real life personality, but some have been offended by others simply in the way they seem to overide other peoples opinions/plans/whatever. Again, a little consideration for others would have this problem gone.

Basically the reason i've gone to the trouble of posting this is because when i joined KB it was just about biking... and babes (but thats another story). I personally dont want to see KB turn into get another forum where people just use it as an avenue to shit-stir, troll, and generally just vent personal anger/emotional trouble from behind the guise of a screen name. There are places to do this, and KB is not one of them.

So please, a little more consideration from everyone and we can get KB back to being about bikes - THINK before you post, is it relevant to the topic, will it annoy the people talking about the said topic?

if you dont get what im saying, check these out - you should have read them when you joined.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=11029
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=5213

thats my input for the day :niceone:
:ride:


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[Biff]

Jeez Biff,

You're racing toward the big 4K, but that's a thread-dredge if I even saw one!

:killingme Oh yeah! I hadn't noticed that. I just popped my head in after reading this weeks doom and gloom thread. it appears as though every time I come on line these days I get the feeling that the world's about to end. Then I switch my PC off and realise that life's pretty good. Please line up to spank me. But I insisit that each of the spanker calls me Shirley. :blip:

[Lou Girardin]

Oh yeah! I hadn't noticed that. I just popped my head in after reading this weeks doom and gloom thread. it appears as though every time I come on line these days I get the feeling that the world's about to end. Then I switch my PC off and realise that life's pretty good. Please line up to spank me. But I insisit that each of the spanker calls me Shirley. :blip:

Your moods are dependant on a bike forum?
Do what I do to cheer up - drink.

[Sniper]

Do what I do to cheer up - drink.
Must explain the riding and make of bike.... Lol


PT

[The_Dover]

Must explain the riding and make of bike.... Lol


PT

Says the homosexual pedestrian!!:nya:

[Sniper]

Says the homosexual pedestrian!!:nya:

Oi! I still have my rides......

And Im not gay

[Lou Girardin]

Must explain the riding and make of bike.... Lol


PT

So says the man who didn't make it out Akaroa.
Why was that again?
Bike was in bits was it, or maybe you fell to pieces at the thought of getting the learn from some elderly Jafa.:scooter:

[Sniper]

So says the man who didn't make it out Akaroa.
Why was that again?
Bike was in bits was it, or maybe you fell to pieces at the thought of getting the learn from some elderly Jafa.:scooter:

Bike was in peices having work done, Honest. I had another bike to choose that the Mrs offered, bike it was out of Reg and Warrent.

Short version..... I was at work

[Biff]

Bollox. None of the above. Sniper's sphincter muscle is directly connected to the KB server, hence the reason why he's never offline. If he were to have made it to Aka the result would have been rather messy. I think they call it a system dump..:yes:

[Sniper]

Bollox. None of the above. Sniper's sphincter muscle is directly connected to the KB server, hence the reason why he's never offline. If he were to have made it to Aka the result would have been rather messy. I think they call it a system dump..:yes:

:gob:

Congrats on the 4k you bugger...... :)

[Biff]

Why thank you sir.
Do I have enough points for a coffee maker now?

[Sniper]

Why thank you sir.
Do I have enough points for a coffee maker now?

Unfortunatly you are short by 12 points. You can get a PEZ dispenser though

[scumdog]

What's happening to KB?
Effed if I know but after 5 cans of bourbon, a glass of red and the prospect of four days off and some shitty weather forecast anything goes!!

[Ixion]

After 6 werk supplied beers , I second that